Informed dissent.

The intersection of healthcare and politics with Dr.

Jeff Barkey, board certified primary care physician.

And Dr.

Mark McDonald.

Board certified child adolescent and adult psychiatrist.

Hey Mark, are there any conspiracy theories that you thought were absolutely batshit crazy, but now you believe like ingesting chlorine dioxide into my body in order to kill parasites?

Oh, yeah, I'm doing that every day.

Full vic foot baths to pull out worms.

Yeah, I'm doing that too.

Moonlanding never happened.

Well, some people think Charlie Kirk is still alive.

Yeah.

Well, speaking of Charlie Kirk, and by the way, I'm you know, this is of course audio, but we see each other through stream yard video, kind of like Zoom.

I just got my Freedom Charlie Kirk shirt in the mail, which is perfect for our next guest.

Our next guest is Eric Mootsos.

Eric and I met during COVID in Colorado, a friend of ours who we had on our podcast just a week or so ago, Sharona Bishop.

She goes by America's mom, invited me out.

She's making a tour around um Colorado talking about mandates and school choice and vaccines and whatever.

So we made a tour, and on one of those stops, maybe multiple stops, Eric was there speaking as well, and I got to know him.

So I followed him on social media.

He's brilliant, outspoken, batshit crazy, but I think he's correct.

And now recently he's putting out some videos.

And if you don't know him, follow him on social media, and it will make you uncomfortable.

You know, it's funny.

There's a church I go to, Mariner's Church in Irvine.

I love the pastor, he's very gifted speaker.

Pastor Eric can't remember his last name.

And a buddy of mine who also goes to church and he's sort of church shopping to figure out what church he wants to go to.

He went to Mariners, goes, Yeah, you know, it's feel good, and the worship music music is good, and they've got a big band and Pastor Eric is good and it's a feel good church, but I want a church and I want a pastor that makes me uncomfortable that pushes me to do things as a Christian that maybe I'm not doing, but I should do.

If I don't leave that church where I'm where there's a call to action and something maybe I don't actually want to do, but I should do, I'm not sure I'm at the right church.

Well, if you want to feel a little bit uncomfortable about the truth, then follow Eric.

Because I listened to him and I can't listen to him for a long time because he says things that makes me uncomfortable, and I don't want to believe that it's true, but it might just be true.

Eric, welcome to inform dissent.

Oh, this is great.

Your your hair is not like it used to be.

You've got you actually have hair because it exists.

It's conspiracy, it's my hair is conspiracy theory.

I used to shave my head for about 25 years.

Don't ask me why, and then uh one day I decided to let it grow out, and there you go.

Eric just took off his hat and he's bald like I used to be, and it just started growing, growing, growing, and now I have a full head of hair.

Of course, the natural question when I tell people the story is why the hell would anybody with a full head of hair shave it?

And that's a whole nother that's a whole nother story.

But so Eric, welcome, buddy.

How are you?

I'm it's it's really good.

Well, when you invited me, I'm like, I don't know if you want me on, you know, because usually when you're talking, you're you say what's on your mind, right?

That's and and I have been going down some pretty I would say very painfully liberating uh rabbit holes that I think it's really important that we all talk about because um it's topics that you know the the state of America and where we're at and and who controls us and what we can actually do about it, and you have to articulate it because you know people call you names and um but at the end of the day truth is somewhere, and that's what I care about the most, you know.

Uh 10 well, shoot, 10 plus years ago, maybe it was 2014.

Um that's when when I had my eyes open to kind of another degree when I was a police officer at Salt Lake City.

Um, do you mind if I go into that story real quick?

No, please do.

So when I experienced um this kind of like canceling, like I feel like I was canceled before canceling was cool.

Um my life changed forever.

I was I was a cop at Salt Lake City for seven years.

Um I only had awards, you know, on my in my files.

I had good guy letters, everything, and and everything flipped upside down when they wanted five of us to uh come in in our uh writing because I was on the motorcycle squad.

They wanted five of us to celebrate in the LGBTQ parade in our uniforms.

They wanted us to lead the parade, basically, like be, you know, part of the celebration.

And so I had asked to trade assignments with another cop just to do his security.

And when that happened, um basically, long story short, there was a big you know, come apart because they wanted to know.

Yeah, they said I couldn't have a trade.

I said, Well, we trade all the time, it's within our policy.

Then I basically had to explain, like I don't believe in this.

I said, I love all people, like there's nobody that I hate, but I don't advocate for this message, especially in my uniform because it's actually against our uniform policy to be in part of you know somebody else's speech.

You weren't being asked to provide to be clear, you weren't being asked to provide security.

You were asked to celebrate by driving in front of the parade as if you were supporting what it was representing.

Is that correct?

100%.

Yeah, they wanted us to do the celebration spins.

You know how cops will do the celebration like maneuvers.

That's what they wanted us to do.

And I just asked to do uh uh a security assignment at the parade, and I act I and I secured a trade with another cop on the motorcycle unit.

I just said, Hey, will you be in the parade and I'll do your your traffic assignment?

He's like, no.

So you even so you even said, Look, I don't I don't mind working as a cop in the geographical vicinity of the parade to provide security.

I just don't want to be put in a position of supporting what this parade represents.

I just want to be a neutral security provider, which is what my job is is to protect people equally, and that's that's all you asked to do.

That's it.

And that seems so reasonable to me.

And so within within a couple days, I got you know, called into the commander's office, and they took my badge and my gun for discrimination.

And then a few days after that, I was launched all over national news for being a bigot.

Um so, you know, long story short, I got out of law enforcement, and probably the best thing that I've ever best thing that's ever happened to me now because I'm able to speak my mind and I'm able to, and God always has provided for us.

Didn't know how that was gonna happen, but you know, it all worked out.

But that was my first taste of like true um, I I guess you could say tyranny in a sense, like this, because I'm I'm convinced this all leads back up to the devil himself.

So it's like, you know, it was my first experience of feeling um I don't know how to explain it.

It's almost like the the opposition, right?

Like you're you have in my faith, right?

In my faith, I've got I believe in God, right?

And I believe that there's certain principles in the universe that we I try to abide by certain commandments that I try to live by.

And when you when you go against that, um it's almost like the devil himself that he can't handle people going against his I'll call him demandments, um, because he's got a little kingdom here on earth that he's built.

And when you go against when you go against that, it's almost as if you get cast out, like he was cast out of heaven.

Does that make sense?

So basically, he was cast out of heaven for not following the commandments, and he's built a counter kingdom.

And when you don't follow his demands, then you get cast out.

And so I always tell people don't be afraid of getting canceled because you're on the right track.

Yeah, no doubt.

So you left the force, and what did you do after that?

Um I got into all like just you know, odds and little jobs here and there.

I got into sales.

Um, I did pretty good in the solar industry for a while.

And then when COVID hit, you know, and that's where we you know, we had met Jeff, but when COVID hit, I got a call from one of my uh friends in the police department at Salt Lake City, and they were going on calls on a snitch line call.

Wow.

So if you if you weren't social distancing, you could call a hotline, and the police would come in Salt Lake City and tell you to get away from each other.

This is real.

This is this is this happened.

So he called me and told me about it.

And I was so I it fired me up so much.

And this is really when my activism, like uh next level.

I called the snitch line myself, and I recorded myself, and I said, Hey, there's gonna be a poly uh former policeman that's gonna do a big rally this weekend.

And this and the lady on the snitch line is like, well, he can't do that.

And I said, Well, he's going to, and so I put out this video on Facebook, you know, before they started censoring everything, and I just called to action to to everybody come rally because they're telling us we can't gather.

That's exactly what we're gonna do.

And so I started to like do these big rallies in the state of Utah to try to push back against this tyranny, and we got a Thousands of people.

We got I got like 25,000 people to join this group called the Utah Business Revival.

And we would just take over parks.

And I would I would call either the police chief or the mayor and be like, hey, we're taking over this park in protest.

Well, what's the protest about?

It's a business.

It's a bit where it's about COVID, and we're going to be shopping for with small businesses.

So we'd invite all these small businesses to come and set up their booths.

And our protest was literally shopping and helping support these small businesses that were shut down.

Yeah.

Almost like a farmer's market.

Yeah.

And so we did that like all over the state.

And then I had this idea to put on a concert.

And so I called, you know, I used to be a country singer on a small record label for uh country western music.

And I had opened up for Colin Ray years ago, and I called Colin Ray.

He's a he's a country artist with like 15 number one hits.

And I said, Hey, do you want to be the first uh concert in America since COVID?

And he said yes.

So long story short, we ended up putting on the first concert.

I think it was July of July of 2020 in America with Colin Ray, Guy Fieri showed up.

It was amazing.

Boy, you uh I just I don't know what I do now.

I don't know why I I am just I'm trying to wake up as many people as possible to what's happening, and then all of a sudden I'll find myself in this rabbit hole, and then God's like, okay, talk about this now, and it's so uncomfortable, especially the stuff I'm talking about right now.

You've got a shirt on that says defiant patriot.

That's pretty much what you are.

So what you're talking about now that got my attention, of course, the Charlie Kirk assassination was a few weeks back.

Um, I had the uh honor of attending the memorial in Arizona.

Uh, it was incredible.

The worship music and the artists that were there were something that I had never experienced before, and then many of the speakers were fantastic.

The entire cabinet was there, etc.

Erica Kirk, of course, spoke.

Um but you pointed out, kind of said, like, you know, what's the expression the quiet things out loud?

And you're making some noise on social media, and if you're not following Eric, Eric E-R-I-C uh Mootsos M-O-U-T-S-O-S, follow him on Instagram and Facebook.

Uh, he will make you uncomfortable.

But what I want you to do is listen and entertain the idea that what he's saying might actually be correct.

And so tell us a little bit about what you're talking about now, Eric, that are that is making a lot of people uncomfortable.

Well, it's just basically, you know, it goes back to the bankers, you know, and I just want to say before I talk about this, that there's a good group of people and a really bad group of people within every group of people.

And so when I say these things, if you haven't heard of these ideas before, it might trigger you just a minute.

So just give me a little time.

But it we go back into Israel because a lot of people don't want to have this conversation because it is it's uncomfortable.

But it is my belief with all the research that I've done, uh, especially in the scriptures that the current the spiritual house of Israel and the current political state of Israel of 1948 that was established by the Rothschilds, it's not the same thing.

It's not the same thing as as what is described biblically.

That's right.

It's it's in fact, it's exact opposite of what it's what it's described biblically, and so I I don't know how far you want me to go into it, but this is why these are the things that um Charlie Kirk was also starting to question.

I wouldn't say I don't know about the spiritual stuff, but he was starting to question how his stances were on whether or not he was going to support Benjamin Netanyahu with all of his war decisions.

Yes, so Charlie Kirk, of course, was very biblically literate, and he would argue Bible belief in God, biblical principles, and so forth.

And he started week or two or three or a month before just asking questions.

And there were Israeli lobby, the APAC that was offering him tons and tons of money that he turned down, and he was questioning what Benjamin Netanyahu was doing for Israel, whether it was appropriate.

Um, and as he is doing this, more and more controversy, and there are some people, including Eric, I think, that believe his assassination was not what the media is telling us telling us it was.

Yeah, to me, it's evident, like with all of the every piece of evidence so far that I've seen, it just keeps getting more suspicious and more suspicious.

And it just to me, it seems like there were a lot of people involved in on it, and um the more you question, and then the more upset they get.

I don't know if they just I was reading and I haven't verified this yet that there's some kind of a a gag order on this case to where people can't talk about it that were witnesses.

Um have you seen that yet?

I haven't seen that, no.

I've got to verify, but of course, mainstream media, whatever you whatever it is you watch, including Fox, nobody's talking about this stuff.

Nobody's questioning what happened, nobody's you know, reviewing the evidence that we're seeing on social media.

No, no one is talking about it, at least in the mainstream.

You almost have to go on the internet, you have to go to Instagram, you have to go to Facebook, Twitter, whatever your source is to learn about a different perspective of what might have happened uh that day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

Well, and then what he said, you know, he was texting his friends because he had lost he had lost a Jewish donor because of Tucker Carlson, right?

So I guess you know, something happened to where he didn't they didn't want Tucker Carlson there, and so then he lost a two million dollar deal according to these text messages that were leaked out between him and eight other people, and he just said something like, you know, they fit all of the the stereo to stereotypical, you know, the types, and it says this has left me in with no other, you know, paraphrasing this has left me no other choice but to leave the pro-Israel cause.

And this is two days, right?

Yeah, and so I think that it's really important that we start having this type of conversation so that we can understand are we really the United States, or is there another group of people that are pulling a lot of the strings, and is it possible to even get out of this?

Because when you go down into like JFK and what JFK who he was questioning, and he was you know, he was questioning the weapons, you know, all of the the uh nuclear weapons in Israel just months before his assassination, and then all of the files that are starting to come out are talking about Mossad, and for your audience, if you don't know what Mossad is, it's basically Israel CIA.

So it appears that that was a total you know hit job from Mossad CIA.

And when you talk about this, um, and and when people start to talk about it, you know, I was just watching this thing with uh I was just watching another thing with Abraham Lincoln, and that he was trying to get the green backs.

Have you seen that?

Have you learned about that yet?

No, I have not given the green back, you know, uh basically a currency without interest, and then bang, and the same thing with JFK, he was trying to get a currency without interest, and that's why I think a lot of these things lead back to the banks, which is the Rothschilds, which is basically the Rothschild Reserve, and this same group of people, you know, in my my belief, they have taken over religions, you know, not just the Jewish religion, like they've taken over all of these different, you know, parts of of the world with the banking system.

So essentially they'll go in and they'll hook in a country with this.

I call it the Rothschild Reserve or Ponzi scheme, and they give them they they say, Hey, we're gonna loan this money to governments.

That's what they do.

So they go in and they loan all this money to governments, and the way that they're going to pay it back is by taxes.

Yes, and so that's so basically that's what happened to America in 1913, is that we took that Federal Reserve, and then really it started going downhill fast, you know, the Rockefellers who are also a Jewish group, and now let me explain this really quick.

There's Judaism, okay, which I believe is a good that's a beautiful cat, by the way.

Yeah, thank you.

So there's there's Judaism, Jewish people, and and they they learn from straight out of the Torah, which is the first few books of the Bible, and then you have another group that's more Zionist, which is which is kind of a secular Jewish group, and then there's some in between.

So I'm not just putting everybody in two boxes, and which they learn from the Talmud, and then there's a Babylonian Talmud, and in that Babylonian Talmud, there are some like very uh alarming uh script.

Have you heard of the Talmud before, Jeff?

Sure, of course.

I grew up as a Jew.

Okay.

Um have you heard of the Babylonian part of the Talmud?

I haven't heard of the Babylonian part.

No.

Basically, it's like you can do things with little kids.

You can do like and and really the Talmud is an oral interpretation, and you can correct me if I'm wrong because I that's right.

You know, I'm learning as I go.

But you know, some very, very, very bad things that you can do, but it's okay because you know it's in these scriptures.

And so I think what has happened over time is this group of people, when they took over that Israel part in 1948, when they established that state of Israel and kicked out the Palestinians from there.

Um, we have heard we in America have heard a certain narrative for so long through our school books, through all of these things that we've, in my opinion, we've been propagandized so hard that you can't question any of this stuff, or else you're the you're an anti-Semite.

You get start getting called names.

What do you think the end game is?

Um, me personally, I think it leads back to I I believe there's two kingdoms, right?

There's two ways.

The there's light and darkness, but everything that God does, the devil mimics it.

So, in other words, do you remember when Jesus would talk about like consider the lilies, consider the birds?

Do you remember those scriptures?

Sure.

So to me.

Yes.

And that's so God will call a prophet to try and build that type of society, like Moses or this or Enoch.

So he gets he tries to get everybody to basically share with each other.

That's what is called Zion.

And that's actually in the scriptures.

And then you have the devil that has a an order that's a mirror.

It literally is a mirror.

And I call it Zionism.

And that's all done by force, fear, manipulation, coercion.

And that the head of that church literally, you know, I don't know how far you want me to go into this, but it literally runs it's the cabal.

Like when we talk about deep state cabal, that's where this leads.

It goes back to the to the money system, and it goes back to very, very, very powerful families.

And um, and then a whole bunch of agents who may or may not know that they're working for this kingdom.

Eric, I've heard this this theory before from a lot of different sources, including a lot of um formerly or maybe currently religious Jews, and also Candace Owens, who kind of hopped on that bandwagon about a year ago.

Yeah, and the thing that I find wanting from the argument, um, specifically is a lack of concrete examples of what this is pointing to.

I I see all these directional um vectors, yeah, and theories, but I I don't see anything specific.

I know I I've been to Israel, yeah.

Um, I've also been to Iraq, I've been to Lebanon, and I I can say from my own personal experience that my perceptions from what I have seen in general media, those three places bears no resemblance to the actual reality on the ground.

And I find it very difficult to see how Americans who are not familiar firsthand with on the ground experience in that part of the world could ever really assimilate the depth of conflicting history information and somewhat almost almost undigestible non western culture in a way that's coherent.

It's it's such a difficult situation to understand for an American who is not invested in it firsthand and hasn't lived through it, even and I'm including myself in this uh as an example.

I I just had dinner with a man yesterday uh who grew up in New York, he's now in Israel, he's been there for 25 years.

He's uh Israel IDF reserve force, and he's running for the Knesset.

Um of the things that he told me about what he's seen and what he's experienced with in the military on the ground, the leadership, some of the woke culture that's taken over the IDF forces, similar to what's happened, you know, to you as a former cop, and obviously in the US military, where once you get up above sort of platoon brigade battalion level, you just have a bunch of woke crazies that are just sort of running a show, and how there's so much um Marxism that's really taken over, uh, even in the IDF and and certainly in the political establishment that a lot of people are trying to fight against that when you mix it in with the very sophisticated propaganda that comes from the Gulf Arab states that have a vested interest in trying to keep this Palestinian situation going in order to preserve their own um financial interests and power.

It's very, very difficult to cut through a lot of the bullshit and to actually see what's going on.

Yeah, so I I just I guess I'm just putting that out there just as a I guess as a gentle challenge because that makes sense what I've said.

So we're gonna we're gonna hear Eric's answer and digest that and we'll come back from our break.

Yeah, no, look, I mean on Eric.

We're gonna take this 10 seconds.

We're gonna take a 10 second break.

We're gonna hear Eric's answer to Mark's challenge, and then I'm gonna also ask Eric what his perspective is on who killed Charlie Kirk.

So we'll be back in 10 seconds.

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All right, we're back with Eric Mootsos, M-O-U-T-S-O-S.

Check him out on Instagram.

And Mark just asked him a challenging question.

About evidence.

About evidence of what Eric is talking about.

Erico L.

Mark, I don't so.

So again, I believe that there's a there's a the church of God and the church of the devil and and light and darkness.

I like to talk about that because by their fruits you shall know them, right?

And so when I go back to these things, and I I don't know how far like with 9 11, like when you have you have you kind of unpacked 9 11 at all?

Like, do you think that was the I guess I could ask you, Mark.

Do you do you believe 9 11, the official narrative of 9 11?

Which is what?

What can you tell me?

Well, that there was a group of seemed to have changed so much.

Hijacked airplanes and you know the official government narrative basically.

I don't see any evidence that disputes that basic premise, although I'm certainly open to the possibility that there's other influences that um may have increased corruption, but but to believe like the buildings weren't knocked down or that they were imploded from within.

And I I just don't find that to be uh largely credible at all.

That's that's my all right.

Well, so I don't know where to go for I don't know where to go from here, Jeff, because I to me like 9 11 was kind of like the big big one, like building seven for me.

Yeah, building seven that was not struck but collapsed.

Yeah, there was an office fire seven hours later, and all of a sudden it goes down.

You have Larry Silverstein, who was you know the owner of the trade centers saying pull it, which what does that mean?

Well, that means to take it down, and so the office fire was burning, and all of a sudden it comes down in its own footprint.

That's when you when you start to question that, like with all of all of that, you know, Larry Silverstein took out a four plus billion dollar insurance policy on terrorism just a few months before the towers came down.

Um you have several several um arrests made of Israeli people.

There was day uh, I don't know if you've heard of the five dancing Israelis that were arrested by the FBI held for 70 days um because they were filming the whole event, they went back to Israel after the 70 days and they were on a talk show, you know, and they they basically said we were we were sent there to document the event.

So there's a uh Alex Jones, you know, he talks about how he knew that was coming.

Anyway, it's my belief that that whole thing was a Mossad CIA job on the inside, and they knew that was coming, so that we would get into another fake war where no weapons of mass destruction were found.

Um, so I I challenge you to start going down that rabbit hole because when you start finding all the inconsistencies, it's like okay, we had this huge explosion, and the only thing that we find at the base rubble of tower one and two is a is a passport of a Muslim person, right?

Of the of the the person that uh you know supposedly hijacked, like to me, the it's when you start going down that it's almost like there's no coming back because it just gets worse and worse and worse as far as the official narrative.

And so my personal belief where I'm at on what's going on with uh Israel and Palestine.

I think that October 7th, it's a very, very, very high likelihood in my mind, in my opinion, that that was an operation to get into that war to go and take that land.

In fact, Charlie Kirk called this out.

Have you seen that video, Jeff?

Yes, he called this out and said, was there a stand down order?

Because there were several IDF soldiers that said they were told to stand down for six to seven hours as a thousand people died, and so um General Flynn talks about this that there's no possible way that Hamas could have done what they did unless they were allowed to.

Um, you know, insinuating that.

And I I believe that too.

I believe that whole thing was was set up in order to do exactly what they're doing right now, where hundreds of thousands of people are now dead, right?

And I know that's another triggering thing, but I this is why I am so questioning the narrative of America's role and what we're doing right now, um, and how we're funding this, and how if you just look how many people are being murdered right now, it's it's so sad to me.

Yeah, and it's not a left-right issue.

Um, that's to me, that is enough evidence to say we are we are on the wrong side of history yet again.

There are a few people, prominent people that are echoing what you're saying.

Tucker Carlson is one, Candace Owen is another, Megan Kelly also.

There are three prominent uh media folks that are asking these questions as well.

Yeah, well, a lot of people are.

I mean, probably half and half I don't know your audience, but there's probably a lot of people that are shaking their head, yes, and there's probably a lot of people like I've never heard this before.

Edward Snowden, who in my opinion is American hero, he exposed that it was Mossad CIA that created ISIS.

It was Mossad CIA.

We're the ones that created and funded Al Qaeda.

We're the ones that created and funded Hamas, and that's why Benjamin Netanyahu right now is on trial for all of his crimes, because you know, right before October 7th happened a couple of years ago, there were hundreds of thousands of Israelis on the street protesting Benjamin Netanyahu because of his crimes to get him off.

I mean, he has less than a 30 30% approval rating.

In fact, when uh Kushner and Trump's daughter were just out there and they mentioned Benjamin Netanyahu in Tel Aviv, you had booze.

I don't know if you saw that booze, like I didn't see the booze.

Are they anti-Semitic?

Well, you could say the same thing about Trump.

I mean, we have people on the street that are I have I just walked by a house a block from me with a hand painted poster that's uh leaning against the Adoran back chair on the front porch with a giant crown on it uh that says no king since 1776.

Um and and I are these people anti-American?

No, but they're they're naive and foolish and they're completely uninformed and they're ignorant, and there's parades of them wandering around.

I could, you know, I was walking around the neighborhood and they were in Santa Monica, they were in uh Culver City, and they're all driving electric cars, most of them 100,000 Teslas.

They're all white, by the way.

Every single one is white, complaining about oppression of uh of minorities, and there's not a more minority to be seen.

They all have a lot of people.

There's no doubt that that's a well-funded thing, right?

It's just like the well-funded, you know, Palestinian at the very beginning, you had all these leftists that were, you know, I don't even like to say leftist because I I'm so tired of the left-right narrative right now.

Well, they're essentially driven by Marxism, and uh yes, and so what I'm trying to tell you is this is where the Marxism is coming from.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to tell you.

Eric, what's what's the average person to do that is digesting this information and nodding their head and saying, Holy shit, I think Eric is right.

Um, well, I think number one, just don't get emotional, and and because it's hard, like when I bring up evidence that Israel potentially did 9-11, like it gets it makes people uncomfortable because you want to just like get mad at the person, but I but I have so much evidence like um of that 9-11 job.

Um, I would just start going down the rabbit holes and then looking what okay, what's happening right now?

Like what wars are we getting into in America?

How long has this been happening?

What have they not been telling us the truth about, right?

Like, and one thing that they never taught us, I don't know if you knew this, Mark, but did you know that in Germany a hundred years ago that the books that do you know the books they were actually burning in Germany, Mark?

Talking about the the uh the socialist party of the of the Nazis, yeah.

Do you know the books that they were actually burning?

Who which what time period and what what are you talking about?

The world war one, world world war two popped off.

They were burning transgender books, and people don't know that they were burning transgender uh Hirschfield, man.

They were burning books that that were it was a it was a cesspool of of transgenderism, but they don't they don't teach us that.

Well, why not?

That that upsets me that they didn't teach us that.

Um and so when you see the pattern of America and you see when we took that money, when we took that Federal Reserve money, what pattern has happened since then and where we're at financially.

Do you guys ever talk about the the Rockefellers and kind of the medical industry at all?

We sure we a little bit about that on our on our podcast, how the Rockefeller really affected medicine and put down chiropractors and alternative providers and built up the MD practices to be in sync with the pharma industry, uh, and to create pharmaceutical products out of oil residuals and so forth.

And we we've talked a little bit about that.

Same thing happened with the with the department of public education, yes.

They took over the department of public education, and so all this things that we have learned, we have to question all of it.

In my opinion, you question it.

Okay, well, let's let's start, you know.

And I'm not coming on here like I'm I'm some know it all.

I didn't I the I'm just coming, I was invited on here because this is where I'm at on all of these, you know, I'll go down these rabbit holes, and I'm like, oh my gosh, they lied to us.

Did you know that the first car the the model A, did you know that it could run off of ethanol derived from corn?

No, yeah.

Most people don't know that, and most people don't know that the prohibition happened right after that to where you couldn't produce ethanol from derived from corn to run your vehicle.

Oh, that's weird that the Rockefellers now have a complete grip on oil and gas.

Huh.

Isn't that amazing?

Yeah, I didn't know that.

Yeah, so I all in The name of not having alcohol, right?

Of all this, it's just so yeah, had that work out.

Wild the the monopolies that are here, and then you got to ask, Well, who owns it?

And so when you were saying, you know, let's go into the medical.

And I know this is this is very uncomfortable, but I'm just gonna read it right here.

Um, and when I say to your audience, when I say Jewish, I don't mean to lump all of them into one group, because there's a there's a good group, and then there's another group who I think are very nefarious, who I think that the COVID, I believe the COVID 19 was an actual weapon.

I believe that COVID 19 was a weapon, and I believe that the vaccine was a weapon because we're seeing how many people are dying.

Yeah, and so when you see the CDC director, Mandy Cohen, Jewish, the CDC director, former uh Rochelle Wensky, Jewish, CDC, uh deputy director, and I don't know how to say her name, shoe Shrewjent, Jewish, CDC chief of staff, Sherry Berger, Jewish.

It goes all the way down, head of Pfizer, Albert Bolra, Jewish, Pfizer chief scientist, um Michael Dolson, Jewish, Moderna chief scientist, Tal Zansk, Jewish, Black Rock CEO, Larry Fink, Jewish.

So why, and it goes and it keeps going, like chief medical officer of Johnson and Johnson, Merrick, the entire COVID 19 vaccine is this group of people.

Now you're probably thinking, well, that's anti-Semitic.

No, I'm just reading you the group of people that are in charge of all of these uh organizations, big organizations.

Seven out of eight Ivy League college presidents Jewish, 17 out of 25, you know, uh of the hedge funds, the big major hedge funds Jewish.

Uh pretty much all big tech academia.

Uh you've got who just bought TikTok.

Do you remember his name?

No.

Um, I think this is just on a simple mathematical level, not surprising, because Jews are overrepresented as a proportion of the population in professional occupations, and they have been for a very long time, law, business, uh, corporations, they tend to be more educated, they tend to be more successful financially, and that all has to do with family values.

I mean, Asians, for example, are highly, highly overrepresented as a proportion of their their population in um college admissions acceptances because they tend to have much higher grades than non-Asian students, which is due to their culture.

Um, it doesn't have to do with their Asian political leanings, for example.

But what if it has to do with being placed in certain positions?

So, like most people don't know that almost every aspect of the of the pornography industry, Al Goldstein, Jewish, um Gary Cramen, founder of uh sex.com, match.com, Jewish, Adam Gla Glacier, um porn hub, grinder, every single one of them are Jewish.

So when you say values, I I don't know where the values there.

That's why I'm trying to say like I don't think these people are religious Jews, these are people that are secular.

So, what I'm saying, this is secular.

So there's a there's a whole group of Judaism Jews in Israel right now that are calling out these people, saying they do not represent us.

Sure.

Well, of course, because they're not religious Jews, you know, Jews and it's the only group of people that are both an ethnicity and a religion.

That's not true with Catholicism or Christianity.

Well, hold on, if you reject Jesus, you're no longer a Christian.

The moment you reject your religious background as a Jew, you're you're still a Jew because you you can be like George Soros is Jewish.

Um, but he doesn't represent any religious Jew.

He's a truly evil man, and he's a communist and a Marxist.

Um, and he's he's led to the you know the corruption of most of the Jews.

So are you saying that Jewishness is blood?

Well, it's both.

That's my point.

If your mother's religious ethnicity, that's right.

If your mother is a Jew, definitionally you are Jewish, regardless of your religious beliefs.

You can be secular or just like Catholicism, right?

Like you can be a well, Catholicism is a reject the Trinity, you're no longer Catholic, period.

I know I'm saying that to be a Jew, there's no it's not a bloodline.

No, it is a bloodline.

There's two ways you can be a Jew.

You can accept the Jewish religion, not be born a Jew, but you accept the Jewish religion, you can convert and become a Jew because of your beliefs.

If your mother is a Jew and you're born to a Jewish mother, definitionally you're you're a Jew regardless of your beliefs.

You are a Jew, you could be an atheist.

Uh, you can be secular, which most Jews in America are secular, meaning they are not religious, but they happen to be born of Jewish parents or specifically a Jewish mother, and that makes them a Jew.

Many of the Jews that you point out that are head of industry, I don't know all of them, I don't know who they are, but most Jews in America are secular.

The question always is why do so many Jews vote democrat, seemingly against their own self-interest.

And the answer is because most Jews in America are not Jewish from a religious standpoint, they are only Jewish from an ethical from a blood standpoint, and their religion actually is leftism, their religion is not Judaism.

So the more orthodox you are, orthodox Jews, the Hasidic that wear the funny looking hats and the garb and the black coats and so forth, they tend to be the more religious you are as a Jew, the more likely it is that you're conservative and not a leftist.

The more the the more distance distant you are from the Jewish religion, and you're an atheist or a non-believer, the more likely it is that you're a leftist uh and not conservative.

I see.

So I had a I was gonna show you this.

I've got a little so for example, Eric, I now consider myself a Christian.

I grew up as a Jew, I was Bar Mitzved, my mom and dad were Jewish.

Uh, my daughter is still a Jew, she's raising my granddaughter as a Jew.

My son converted and became a Christian, he was baptized, my dad years ago, uh converted, was baptized, and became a Christian.

So me too, I still consider myself a Jew because I was born to a Jewish mother.

Uh, I consider myself a Jewish Christian.

Um, but now I have a belief system that is consistent with Christianity.

I see.

When did that happen?

Oh, that's a whole nother story.

That happened over the last oh, probably two or three years through a variety of discoveries and readings and uh and friends who influenced me in multiple seeds that were planted by pastor friends, uh, and Jewish friends that have become Christians as well, and kind of led me along to a belief that I think Jesus was who he claimed to be, making therefore making me a Christian.

And you know, technically, if a Jew believes that Jesus is the Lord and Savior and was who he said he was and rose from the dead, and so on and so forth, that makes you a Christian and no longer a Jew.

Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Messiah, they believe that he was a really smart rabbi dude and a Jew in the day, uh, but he wasn't actually the Messiah.

And Jews use evidence that there's been a zillion people before him that claimed Messiah status and good for Jesus for having such a following, but we as Jews don't believe that.

That's sort of the Jewish narrative.

They will never answer the question, which they should that says, so who was Jesus then?

Was he a liar or was he a insan and insane, you know, man?

And of course, they don't answer that question.

They go, Oh, we don't want to get into it, we don't want to insult anybody.

We are Jewish, we don't believe the Messiah is here yet.

Good for Jesus, spreading the good word, uh, but we don't believe who he who he said he was.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Well, and I think that's that's where a lot of people will come back down, like your story's awesome because it's like to me, that's what this all leads back to him, and did he actually do what he said he did?

And and did he actually you know come and down and atone for us and die for us?

And I believe the answer is yes, and I and that's what I try to, you know.

I talk about all this stuff, and it's like okay, you got all these conspiracies.

Well, what do we do and where does it lead?

And I think what it leads back down to is your personal your sovereignty, like your individual god-given literature.

I agree, but when you when you talk about it, and I've heard this growing up because I was a Jew growing up about all these Jews that are in industry and this conspiracy theory stuff about it's the Jewish thing, it's the Israeli thing, and so forth.

And I'm not saying it you're not correct, but I can't imagine all these Jewish folks that you pointed out somehow know that they're linked to create a certain outcome that they were put in this position because they were Jewish.

Most of them, by the way, are only ethnically Jewish.

I don't think they actually believe in the Jewish religion.

So it's a stretch to go well, the leader of this, that, and the other, and pharma industries and banking and so forth, they're all Jews, and and a lot of that is true because of what Mark said.

Jews, especially after World War II realized they had to take care of themselves, they couldn't rely on others, and they were disproportionately pushed by their parents to get a good education to go to law school, to become doctors, to become and go in the financial you know, service industry, and so forth.

I don't know how they all connect together, that they all happen to be Jews, most of whom are just ethnically Jewish, not religiously Jewish.

And how are they connected to together create some outcome that's desired by the devil or whoever is pulling the strings like George Soros and others, the Rockefellers?

Well, and then Karl Marx, too, like he was sure one of these guys.

And so I just think with me, it's it's it's by their fruits, he shall know them, right?

And so when you when you look back and you're like, okay, well, who's running the Hollywood industry, the the music industry?

And to me, in my findings, and if and if I can be, you know, proven wrong, you know, shoot me an email.

I I I care about the truth mostly, right?

Oh, no, and people that run Hollywood, I think they're I think that's a good thing.

What I'm saying is not not in cahoots when you look at like Jews.

When you look at the big tech and kind of have you guys looked into Palantir and all of this stuff yet.

I've heard about it, sure.

So this is all the same group of people that I've been saying, um, the same exact group of people.

Um, I believe we're heading into this kind of new world order, one world religion, one world digital currency, and it's all of this same group of people who's kind of in you can be absolutely right, Eric, in what you're saying, but I don't I think that the the Jewishness is a red herring because I think the unifying theme, uh the unifying causative agent, not the correlative one, is Marxism, is leftism is socialism beginning with with Lenin and then in Marx.

And you're correct.

Uh, and he was violently anti-religious and pro-secular.

He was disgusted with religion, and some might even say that that pathology of being anti-religious is what drove him to a hyper-secularism that led to this religious secularly religious in position of the idea that the state will supplant God and will care for us rather than God himself.

And all Marxists essentially believe this.

There is no such thing as a religious Marxist.

They're all secular, they worship the state, they worship totalitarianism, they do not worship truth.

They are incredibly pragmatic, but pragmatic in an irrational way.

And they're of course a lot of self-hating Jews that are no longer secular that started with the tradition of Marx and moves up to today.

No one in Hollywood that I'm familiar with, not a single one that's Jewish is religious, not a single one.

And all of the politicians, uh, from Bernie Sanders to uh, you know, uh George Soros, uh Zuckerberg, he's yeah, he's kind of a quasi-politician.

None of them are religious.

So that's right.

So you're you're saying the same thing that I was trying to say.

There's two groups of those people that we need to differentiate.

And and if you question these the groups of people that aren't religious, it's not anti-Semit, it's anti-Semitism.

It's not at all, and then but you also have the narrative, the belief, the desire, you know, what happened to the Jews during World War II, and then the creation of Israel, that Israel is the only, you know, quote-unquote Jewish state, and there's an aspect of that that's very important for a place that religious Jews or non-religious Jews can go to be safe, to be protected by their country as corrupt as it might be, and what countries aren't corrupt our own as corrupt in many ways, and Israel is not.

Yeah, and Israel is not uniquely uncorrupt.

You know, whatever you think of Benjamin Benjamin Netanyahu, I don't think he's sitting in his office uh trying from a Jewish perspective to take over the world.

Benjamin Netanyahu is a Jewish uh religious Jew, and I think there's one aspect of it that says I am simply trying to create a place where Jews can be safe and no longer under persecution from the surrounding countries that routinely lob bombs into us that want to not just destroy our military, but want to kill and remove our country, as Hamas has said multiple times.

You know, what's the expression from the uh from the sea to the river to the sea, we will be free, yeah, which basically means eliminate Israel and then uh we're gonna celebrate when every Jew is massacred and dead in the buried.

So as Dennis Prager used to point out, if the Jews, if Hamas dropped all their weapons and did not fight, there would be peace.

If Israel dropped all their weapons and and removed their ability to fight, Hamas would go in and destroy the country and kill every Jewish.

See, and I and I would add to that that who's funding Hamas because I believe that it's the bad guys, the I believe that it's Netanyahu.

And this is just where this is where I'm at.

I believe he's the one that's funding and doing this so that he could do this greater Israel project, which you need to look at.

Maybe, or you know, the the uh the mainstream media narrative is that it's Iran that's funding much of Israel's enemies.

We had you on to ask these difficult questions to make people a little bit uncomfortable.

Uh, how can people follow you if they want to continue to hear what you have to say?

I don't know.

I'd say Instagram is like where I mainly work from for now, just because for whatever reason it's not shadowing.

Um I was shadowed for four years, which is really weird, Jeff, because it's like, are they wanting this information to get out?

This is another theory that I'm like pondering in my mind.

It's like, hold on a second.

I had to create three Instagram accounts during COVID because if I even mentioned a vaccine or this, this it boom, 90 days.

Yeah.

And now all of a sudden I'm talking about the most uncomfortable things, and my stuff's going everywhere.

It's like I almost think that they're wanting this stuff to get out just so that they can come in with speech laws to try and stop anyone from talking about it.

Yeah, maybe.

And if they're doing that in other countries for sure.

Eric, we are we are out of time.

Love to have you back and continue the conversation.

I will continue to follow you on social.

And I and if I offend you, just and if I've offended anyone of your audience, just know I love all people.

There's no hate in my heart.

Send me a message on Instagram and say, hey, you were wrong on this.

And I would love to be corrected on it.

No problem.

Eric, thank you so much for coming on Informed Descent.

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