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I'm sorry that the boxes are getting lighter, but I'm kind of not. mean, you know, the boxes are getting lighter because the prices of metals have gone up. So if you've been with Wolfpack, congratulations, you did good. And I can sleep at night. No, a lot of my folks have been buying for a while. They're looking pretty good. I was going over some, some, some of the IRAs I did like three years ago. I was like, wow. Charlie Robinson (02:36.664) They are getting lighter. Charlie Robinson (02:44.909) Yes. Tony Arterburn (02:56.413) I went over a couple of invoices just to see where they were now just on spot price alone. We're in different and interesting times, my friend. Charlie Robinson (03:06.23) Yes, very interesting times. I'm paying attention to it. I'm trying to. I'm trying to keep track of all this stuff. Every now and then there's an event that happens and half the general public views it as a good thing and maybe a small, well, maybe more than half views it as a good thing. And a small sliver says, ooh, I don't know if this is such a good idea. And recently that's been the introduction of the 50 year mortgage. Now I have thoughts on this as somebody who's worked in real estate, not for 50 years, but for 25 years, and I've been a broker in California. I've been a broker in Nevada. I'm still a broker in Nevada and I still own a real estate brokerage, or run a real estate brokerage there. So I have a vested interest in mortgages. I care, you know, in 30 years has been the standard. Every now and then you'll get people that want to do a 15 year loan because, you know, rates are lower. just the math works out a little bit better. And I've joked, and it was only a joke about, things will, we'll know the wheels are coming off when we see that 40 year mortgage roll out, you know, in a real way. And here we go, Trump talking about a 50 year mortgage. What do you make of this? Tony Arterburn (04:27.327) Well, I think it's in direct correlation to the loss of purchasing power in the U S dollar. It's really not about real estate having gone up. It's about the dollar buys less and people have housed so much of those dollars in real estate, trying to save them from inflation. And that's what's propped up this consumption economy since 1971 is consumption and the creation of debt. If you understand what happened in 71. When we went off the gold standard, the dollar went from being money to being debt currency and the entire economy thrives off of it. If you stop creating those mortgages, you literally stop creating currency because that's how currency is created. If you go and swipe your credit card, that's currency creation. If you get a mortgage, that's currency creation. There's no, we used to talk about the fraud and the criminality of fractional reserve banking. We don't do that anymore because there is no fractional reserve banking. Charlie, they literally take it and create the funds to make the purchase of whatever you do through your loan. So those are, those are new dollars that are entering the system. So they have to get people. the reason that they're doing this is because Fiat has out had, has made the housing industry unobtainable. the, separation between the haves. The, the, the, the have yachts and the have-nots, right? It keeps growing, wider and wider and wider. And so you'll see. And I saw something Michael Saylor said about this a while ago about real estate. You've got people that are very wealthy. Look at BlackRock. I mean, look at that. Just they're, you know, buying chunks of housing all over the U S but just wealthy people buying up a house. They don't even need them. They're just buying how they're trying to keep their savings intact because real estate seems to be a buffer between. you know, currency devaluation with fiat and, and retaining your wealth. And so a lot of these housing prices go up and they're not even some of these houses, I'm getting, they're not even occupied, but that's why we're in this, this continuous cycle. And so the average person has been, is being priced out, especially Gen Z and a lot of millennials, everybody really, mean, I've got the ability. Tony Arterburn (06:52.723) to use my VA loan. And I chose not to this last go round. I was going to buy a house in North Texas, an older house and fix it up. And I decided, you know, I went and leased a loft in the downtown. It's an old historic dance where Doc Holiday had an office down there. And so they always celebrate that. They've got a lot of Doc Holiday themed stuff in Denison, Texas. I leased a place. I do own land in Arkansas and from my Missouri location. But I decided to stay, I think there's, and I've been in real estate too, by the way. I that was the first business that I ever had. was a real estate broker, had eight agents before I even knew what I was doing. But in my, after getting back from my last tour in the military. So I've done that too. And you know, I think they are important. Without mortgages, you really can't drive the U S economy in its current form. So, I mean, I'm not trying just to. Roche on the 50 year mortgage, but let's call it what it is. This is a way to get around and circumvent the system. People can't afford the mortgage payments. So you're going to stretch that debt out another 20 years. Um, it's like, you know, I mean, we're, we're getting into territory where we're talking about like nations leasing other things, like when the British leased Hong Kong for 99 years, know, like stuff like that. Charlie Robinson (08:15.456) Right. This is a huge problem. I understand the dilemma. You want to get in, you feel like the train is leaving the station and you've got to get yourself a ticket, get a house, know, something, piece of real estate before it becomes, you know, unobtainium. And that's the direction we seem to be headed. Although one great opportunity for people to get themselves a house at a reasonable price is in the aftermath of a crash. So I wonder if, and I say this as somebody who bought a house recently, not because I thought it was the best time to buy a house, but because we just timing life situations dictated that we needed to buy it now. So you got to go when you got to go. If I had to do it over again, I would pick a different year because I don't think this is the best time to be buying a house, but I see that Tony Arterburn (08:46.953) Yes. Charlie Robinson (09:11.242) It feels like they're just trying to keep the Ponzi scheme going. That the 50 year is there to corral some, I don't know, exit liquidity to anybody who's already in the system that wants out, that knows where this is headed, and they want to get their houses sold. What do you make of interest rates here? Because Trump, mean, obviously, When we're talking about house affordability, the price, the cost of the house is one thing, but ultimately it works out to what is your payments and how can you afford this? What's the play with interest rates, I wonder, because I know Trump wants them to go down and I know Powell's coming to the end of his term. Do you think he's gonna stuff somebody in there who's more amenable to his view of society and get these rates down? Are we gonna play this game of... of kicking the can down the road. I I wonder how this plays out. Tony Arterburn (10:09.245) I want to do like the little bit like the can we do that one like Karnak when he puts the envelope up to his head? Lower interest rates. Yeah, what what is lower interest rates? Inevitable? Like you can you can bet on it like it's it's something that's going to happen. Trump wants a weaker dollar period and it has to do with well a lot of things about Charlie Robinson (10:14.54) Yes. Yes, what's in the envelope? Don't you tell me. Tony Arterburn (10:36.763) in my opinion, the great reset, the currency reset, it's a bigger picture creative destruction kind of chaos thing. And they're going to get their lower interest rates, especially coming up because you got midterms and I don't even know if they do the elites care about politics anymore, Charlie, or we just like, are we following like Charlie Robinson (10:54.318) I think they want us to pretend like, you know, to think that they care about it, but it's all it feels like a major distraction. Tony Arterburn (11:02.353) It doesn't feel real anymore. politics don't feel real, like either side, do they even care? Like who's in power? It doesn't really seem that way. It seems like a big act to me, but let's just say if we go by history, midterms are important and they're going to goose the economy by lowering interest rates. And I think they're going to do it in a way that's unprecedented. little bit of news that happened in the last couple of months. You remember 2019, we had the last quarter of 2019, it was the largest exodus of CEOs in history, leading up to COVID 1984. And I was like, I wonder what they knew. I remember the last quarter of 2019, that was the first time I was going on the David Knight show. And we were watching the Fed was pumping in, it ended up being $6 trillion in the last quarter. Charlie Robinson (11:34.424) Yeah. Tony Arterburn (11:50.717) of 2019 alone currency creation to prop up the overnight. So now that's just the central bank of the US. But this was systemic and going on worldwide. They're doing it again. First time since the last quarter of 2019. So the liquidity is being pumped in the overnight trillions are being created. So we have quantitative easing we have QE going on right now before you even get to the official QE which is about to come. And yes, drone pals on his last little tour of being Fed chair. Did you see the video of Trump at the, the bill like the little building they were doing like the addition at the Fed building and they're both in hard hats. And you see that? so this is a few months ago and he just how starts talking about the the cost overruns and Trump pulls out of his pocket like what the actual cost of the building's word Stephanie. I mean, let's just put it this way. It was a good opportunity for Trump to bully. Charlie Robinson (12:33.134) No. Tony Arterburn (12:50.366) Jerome Powell a little bit and I mean, you just see like Jerome Powell stature is really funny. But I always bring up. mean, the Fed lost, like it was the last couple of years, like 900 billion. Like, how do you lose money when you make the money? Like, have you ever thought about that? Like how like just how tragic and comedic and weird and dystopian that is like you make the money, but you lost money making them like so like that has to be reconciled in your own mind, but they are going to lower interest rates. So what does that mean? That means currency creation, and that means a lot of things are going to get built. A lot of things are going get leveraged that shouldn't be. A lot of things are going to get bailed out. There's going to be more zombie companies. There still is, since the great financial crisis of 2008-9, there's like 100 at least zombie corporations that are still propped up by the Fed. we're going to have more and more of that until until you don't. And I think we're in the like whatever the cycle of financial cycles that we're in Charlie, it's clearly golden parachutes are going to be deployed. There's going to be a whole bunch of looting of the I mean of the official financial system. And those in the know will make those moves and then everything else the bill will be dropped in the lap of the everyday worker or small business. person who pays taxes and all the stuff like it'll be dropped in our lap and and the elites will like gorg it all says we have socialism for the rich and free enterprise for the poor where we are Charlie Robinson (14:30.626) frustrating. I see all these private equity companies out there buying up industries, just blue collar cash flow positive companies that HVAC companies and, you know, auto mechanics and things like that going up buying all these things and veterinary clinics just buying them as many as they can get. Keep the guy on keep the owner on for three year five year employment deal. And but these prices start going up. They're pricing everybody out. I the idea that 50 year mortgages is a canary in the coal mine to me, as far as I'm concerned. Like the mathematics of it are irrelevant. It's a bad idea, but it just the fact that it's being introduced, that's the sort of shit you see in end of empire, right? mean, inflation going through, everything's being repriced. I just went to a Denver nuggets game. couple of days ago, you know, they had to have, they had to reprice parts of the menu because it was so out of control. They had to offer like a time capsule, $5 hot dogs, $5 cokes, $5 nachos and things like that, because everything else was so out of control, they couldn't get people to buy anything. At what point do, how do we keep this Ponzi going? Isn't it just the best thing to let it fail in the end and get honest with it? Tony Arterburn (16:03.805) The catastrophic nature of that, and I think it has to be balanced. If you had fiscal sanity, like when we were kids, know, there would, people would run on this. Like this was a thing. And I remember, you know, unless it's the Mandela effect, and I was in a different dimension, but I remember them, you know, this was the, there was a new Gingrich and there was a contract for America and we're going to balance the budget. And for a time, like this really strange time at the end of the 20th century, that was a priority. And then it wasn't. And then it was talked about a little bit. And now it's like, what do even care? You know, I mean, Dick Cheney just died. And remember he came on, he went on and said, deficits don't matter. How does that, that's mathematically impossible. Deficits do matter. That's, I think, you know, as I sit here and talk to you too, and I'm going to think about it, because we just got the news on the 50 year mortgage and then you're to get $2,000 along with your Doge payments. So be sure, be sure and run up the credit card and wait for those payments to come in. But I was thinking about that. Perhaps it's not even for the people. It might be a little bit of like, you know, feed throwing it out to the, to the MAGA crew. But perhaps it's for the corporations, Charlie. I mean, they have to provide places for you to live and maybe the rents on those mortgages, maybe they just, they don't care. Maybe this is about creating a new class of ownership for corporations to own the housing. mean, that we're everyday people. because of the treadmill of fiat have been by design priced out of this economy. And I'm not all doom and gloom either. I'm not a nihilist. I don't think that nothing matters and I'm not black-pilled. I just think that the current system, it can't be fixed. Like this is not going to be fixed without some sort of, there has to be some unifying purpose. behind it politically, it'd have to come from grassroots. And we don't, we're not even talking about fiscal responsibility at all. This is all window dressing. Like what kind of war should we fight that war? Shouldn't we? Well, how about we're broke? You can't do it. mean, should we take in millions and millions of undocumented people and migrants from around the world? or, you know, shouldn't we? Well, that isn't the question. We can't like, so all these things we can't for so long, but they ignored it. And so there's a, Tony Arterburn (18:25.339) a consequence for it. I think that is I think the 50 year mortgage is a harbinger of things to come. It's like everything's been priced out and they're going to throw you a bone. But it's really about creating a renting society. And again, I'm renting half of my life because I'm back and forth between Texas and Missouri. I do want people to be able to buy home. I want all that. You know, if you look at housing prices, a lot of the Bitcoin people bring this up to say, price your house in Bitcoin. Like what was it five years ago, right? know, price your house or you could do, you know, price. If you go buy Bitcoin, you go buy gold and you look at the stock market, you look at housing, those things aren't doing so well. If you price them in hard money. I mean, they're not like this great place to house your money anymore. And a lot of the younger people are looking at things like Bitcoin to Charlie Robinson (19:00.856) flowing. Charlie Robinson (19:12.012) Yeah. Tony Arterburn (19:23.007) to get into something that is finite or to place their savings into outside of the real estate market. So I think that the system itself is in real trouble, at least in the current form. And perhaps they're throwing a bone to corporations to own those. BlackRock certainly took an invitation. All those funds that were created, and this again, it's not that they were given over from 2020 on, this was currency creation. It's why... I saw a meme today and it made me laugh. was, forget what movie that's from, but it's always the meme where the guys had his eyes, like he's being like, you have to watch it. Was it, was it a scanner or what? got clockwork horns. Yeah. So he was having it. He's having to watch it. was like me showing, Maga, the prices at the grocery store. Like you gotta keep looking at it. It's like keeping your eyes open. Charlie Robinson (20:01.23) Clockwork Orange. Tony Arterburn (20:17.287) So I think, we haven't seen, we've seen prices rise. We've seen, just alone, Charlie, the, the dollars lost 50 % of its purchasing power against gold in the last 12 months. mean, just think about that. Think about that. The dollars lost 50 % and people were like, well, I'm just going to wait for gold to go back down. Good luck. I don't, I'm seeing some real inside baseball stuff as a dealer in two States and it's a national. broker. man, I could tell you some stories. There's some weird stuff going on right now inside the metals markets and who gets paid and how it gets paid and who's buying and everything else. I don't know if I think the trains left the station. I mean, you're to see dips that's going to happen and it's happening in Bitcoin right now, which is another story. But metals are like we're starting to see real price discovery. And I don't think I don't think these prices are what people think they are. you know we've done some real damage to the dollar charlie in the last thirty years for sure but since we went off the gold standard it's been a free for all and now it's it's starting to show Charlie Robinson (21:21.933) Yeah. Charlie Robinson (21:31.715) What is going on in the metals market? mean, I know that there's a lag. I don't know what it is, how long it is between when things get pulled out of the ground, don't know, permitted, pulled out of the ground, refined and all of that, how long that needs to take to get it to market. And I'm sure that that process takes a while. So if you have... a ramping up of the price of gold over this year, my assumption would be that if you're a gold miner, you're probably hoping to ramp up production as well. Like, hey, let's get some, now's the time to get some of this gold out of the ground and do what we can with it. But if everybody is buying all at once, because it seemed, know, gold kind of went through the roof over the last couple of months here, it got, it never gets any. notice in the press, nobody ever wants to talk about it. Now all of a sudden they're talking about it. So the average person, I see videos from Hong Kong, I see videos from Sydney of people in line to buy gold. I see, well, that doesn't look good. That's always a bad sign. So it feels a bit frothy and I'm always suspicious whenever the media is saying anything good about gold. So what are you seeing from the insides in terms of who's buying? How long is it taking? You mentioned price discovery. What is the price of gold? What is the price of silver? I mean, who knows anymore, right? It's been suppressed. It's been paper shorted for a long, time. And the guys have gone to jail. They've gone to jail. They've come out of jail even. don't know. mean, nobody actually, nobody even goes to jail for, I'm just kidding. But you know, it goes through the system and it's supposed to be washed out and we're supposed to not have this manipulation. Man. I bet it's manipulated more than it ever was in the past. So where are we with precious metals and what the hell is going on behind the scenes? Tony Arterburn (23:37.088) Well, that's an excellent question. And I find myself, always a student. I would never consider him in this game with the, complicated history behind it. And the, the, those who control so many of the mechanisms in this world of metals and commodities and currency. Walk humble. That's what I tried to, I mean, I get up every morning, I go through my Intel and then I read histories on this and everything else. There's a lot of things happening simultaneously and they all contradict each other, which is another thing. like, I don't know what price discovery really, I don't know where we're going to wind up, but I think it's showing cracks in the system. I was telling you off air, I was on a show this morning. It's like, if I would use a word, I would say it's breaking. And you go back to this, go back to the beginning of this, of this year, you had Trump taking office and one of the black swan events. was the threat of tariffs everywhere. it wasn't like tariffs were going to do a manufacturing or something. It wasn't strategic. It remember it was the blanket tariffs and then there was no like the list of commodities was left on there. And so a lot of these vaults overseas were like, and some of the companies that owned precious metals were like, wait a minute. So we don't know if it's gold or silver is going to be tariffed. So they started emptying out these vaults before they take effect. So there was this scrambling to get bullion out of these vaults that caused, I, that was the first blow to the paper market in a long, long time. If there, if there ever was anything equal to that, which there hasn't been. So you've had this papering over of gold and silver since the end of the 1970s. Okay. This is, I think it's been a strategic, plan to again, cause when you show like Silver was $52 in 1980. It's because of the hunt family. That's a whole other story, but they ran up because they were buying physical silver and have it delivered. And so that cause that it wasn't, couldn't, they were demanding physical silver delivery cause it, this was 1980 is $52. So that's like $300 today. Well, they put a, or they deep stated the hunt family and bankrupted that. And then Paul Volcker came in and raised interest rates to the teens. So like a mortgage was 13%. Tony Arterburn (26:00.351) So that, caused a contraction in the money supply. so gold went from $800 an ounce to $300 or $200 an ounce. it stayed in gold and silver stayed boring. mean, I think Warren Buffett touched physical silver supposedly in the late eighties, early nineties, and then left it. Nobody ever touched it again. Nobody ever said, Hey, I'm going to corner the silver market and show you just how weak the dollar is. Nobody ever did it. So we papered over and papered over and paper. It was estimated. And I don't think this is true anymore at all. Uh, but it was estimated that, uh, for every, um, 250 ounces that were sold via contract, only one ounce of silver actually existed. So 250 to one from paper to real. So we, there's no way to verify that either. So you have that, that happened at the beginning of the year. And then you also have, um, and I thought this was a huge story and I'm like, why isn't nobody covering this? Like not, I mean, it was people like us, but it seemed like it. monumental thing. Russia said, Hey, we're to make silver a strategic reserve asset, openly, and we're acquiring acquiring physical silver bullion, then India kicked in and said, us too. And then China, you see China making it a strategic reserve, putting on the balance because they're using it for the military and technological hardware stuff. And I thought, wow, so we're no they're no longer because trust is diminishing in this fourth turning, like all the institutions that we've become accustomed to over our lifetime, less and less trust. then we've weaponized the dollar, all these things. So you have this perfect storm happening. Then you go out and you say, we want a weaker dollar and we're going to put a hundred percent tariffs on this or whatever. with no, I mean, it's just chaos for chaos's sake. So markets love certainty. have none of that. trust is diminishing. So countries are calling and saying, no, we want. empty these vaults. We want to know we want our physical gold and silver delivered. China creates the Shanghai gold exchange storage, then they also do it in Hong Kong. I thought that was another story that like, why is anybody covering this? Because they're doubling down saying not only Shanghai, but we're gonna do Hong Kong, the Chinese control both. So they're, it's like just outside the airport in Hong Kong, Charlie, they're building massive storage facilities for physical gold and silver bullion, mostly gold. Charlie Robinson (28:28.139) I was just there in April. Yeah. Hey, get on the train from the airport. can see all kinds, I'll tell you what, had the same sort of, didn't know, I wasn't looking for gold bullion shops, but I was looking for Hutchinson when I came in because I know that I go, cause you come into the Hong Kong airport and then you get on a train. Cause it's reclaimed land, manmade Island. It's built out in the ocean. You take that train around through the backside of the ports and you can see all the Hutchinson. Tony Arterburn (28:30.1) yeah. I mean, it's moving eastward. Charlie Robinson (28:56.799) stuff and you go, that's the company that BlackRock just bought, who owns all the ports all over the place, right? So I I wasn't thinking gold, I was thinking trade, but maritime trade that way. But I did not know that they're building that in Hong Kong as well. I know that China is a kind of a one way stop for gold, right? It goes into China and it doesn't come out or if it's pulled out, it stays there. But what is the policy on Hong Kong? it? Tony Arterburn (29:18.643) Yes. Charlie Robinson (29:25.613) I wonder if, it similar or did they allow you to, I mean, there's no place to pull it out of the ground in Hong Kong, it's so small. But I mean, if it's there, does it have to stay there? Does it have British rules still or is 1997, you know, a million years ago? Tony Arterburn (29:41.446) I think 1997 is a million years ago for Hong Kong. And it's a lot about of appearances, I imagine. but it's still, they left that as an experiment, mainly open for now, you know, but they've always got the option to exercise and we all know who actually controls it. So it's a, it's a thing that's left unto itself for now, but it, it's really about attracting the real monetary asset, the real world's reserve currency away from the West and move it Eastward. China's got 60,000 gold mines in China. They're a net importer, not exporter, right? And they've been quietly buying ever since George W. Bush made China a most favored nation trading status. And it was on December 11th, 2001. was 90 days after 9-11. And we know the metrics. We lost 55,000 factories in one in three manufacturing jobs. So the wealth transferred, and the Chinese started quite now. That's funny because they quietly bought it, which is interesting. know, lot of these central banks and governments, they don't tell you to go buy gold. They'll tell you to feed the pig. We have that PSA here in the US, like, you you should have savings accountants to feed the pig, which is a really an interesting dynamic and nomenclature. That's a good use of words, you know, like you should keep feeding the pig. but they're accumulating. And you go look at, here's some other things that happened. quietly passing and the hairdos on the financial networks never talk about this but central banks now own more gold than US treasuries. Okay. And the net the next metric to cross is more gold than US dollars. Dollars are number one held by central banks right now. Number two is gold. So it didn't used to be used to be way down the list. And then in 2021, the Bank of International Settlements took gold from a tier three to a tier one asset, which means on the balance sheet, could, it's used as a currency. So it surpassed the Euro this past year and went from, you know, the Euro was second place and now it's gold in second place. And of course the European Central Bank says, we got to do something about gold. It's a threat to the economy. It's it's a threat to you. And Charlie Robinson (31:56.974) Yeah, right. Tony Arterburn (31:59.36) They actually said that like, we've got to do something the price of gold and this is really hurting. Yeah, it's hurting you. It's showing you like your, your currency is a fraud in real time because it's losing so much purchasing power. And so all of those metrics and everything else to say, we were, I mean, I kind of got off on the large, you know, history of the what's happened in the last, well, 50 years plus, you know, last year, but we're watching in real time. the changing of the order of things. so there's central bank buying is massive, multinational corporations are buying assets. That's true buyers. Like you talked about people on the streets and you've seen people in China and lining up to buy gold. There's a couple of ways to look at that. I heard an old gold trader talk about this like, you back from the 80s or 1980 when people were lining up to buy gold and he was like a sell, because that was a key indicator in the US that they were selling gold you know they were they were going on so they were finding old jewelry and selling gold and he's like we gotta get out this market you could look at a couple different ways i mean the people overseas are doing that because it's a place to run to when there's currency uncertainty or geopolitical uncertainty and in this country just been so used to be in the world reserve currency Nobody's lining around the block here at Wise Wolf or either one of my locations to buy stuff. mean, there will be some, and we have, you know, our great Wolf Pack folks all over the country, but that's like a, that's a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of people. Where is gold and silver going, Charlie? Because right now people are selling, right? This is where we originally wanted to get to. People are selling me gold, selling me silver. And so a lot of these big purchases I got to take to the wholesalers. Well, now. the bigger wholesalers and I won't name them. like, let's say you brought me some, you say, I got sterling silver forks and knives and I've got all these other things, these serving trays and I'm just going to melt the silver. Good luck. Nobody buys it. I can't sell it. So you have this, like they won't do it because they're so busy or they tell me this, they're too busy to do it. So they won't buy it like they used to. So I have to like, just, I'll buy it. Tony Arterburn (34:19.007) So I'm just housing it right now. I'm putting on the balance sheet because I'm going to start refining. I've got to figure out how to do it because they literally, they made me do it because I don't have the ability that in a whole list of items, they're like, no, we only buy this. And so, so I just scratched stuff off my list. Okay. Okay. And then you go into the bigger trading houses and the big stuff and they say, we'll pay you in 10 days. So I have customers who want to sell me stuff, get paid right now. And I said, well, I don't know how I'm going to do it. Because I mean, again, the buyers are multinationals. They know something that you don't. And so what's happening is payments have slowed because it's not like, it's not like a frenzy of people walking in. the average consumer, again, times are tough. That's why we have a 50 year mortgage, right? Times are tough. You can't buy as much. Everything's costing more. It's economic uncertainty, the whole thing. So I can't blame people. But I think you're missing out because there are are buyers and they've become like it has funneled that into it's the shot group has gotten tighter and tighter of who's actually buying and they are consuming it. That's why prices are going up, but it's bottlenecked. So that's what I'm seeing on the ground as a dealer. Like I'm like, well, who and it's simultaneously Charlie. You have these companies that aren't even buying at any price. They're like, we won't buy it. We just too, we're too busy. They won't buy it, but then you have delays on products. Like, taking me three weeks to get regular silver rounds in the way, like want to get Second Amendment rounds or Aztecs or something like, we'll get those in about two, three weeks. Or I'll get Canadian maple leaves in a month. So everybody's selling, right? it's bottlenecked, and then there is a supply deficit. On top of that, from mining, there's a latency in the mining, like they're not even getting it to market. was over, I mean, think it was close to 300 million ounce deficit last year in above ground supply for silver. So you talk about the everything chaos, like it's all there. Like where does that even end up? Is that going to make the price collapse? I don't think so. I think that we're in price discovery and the paper contract is still there. All that stuff is still existing. Tony Arterburn (36:39.785) But slowly but surely, you're seeing the demand for physical delivery. I think it's going, everything is changing. This is where the system resets. And they call it a great reset for a reason. I think it begins in commodities. Charlie Robinson (36:55.886) I mentioned the fourth turning and the loss of trust in institutions. And that is something that I think is gonna be a huge component of this. When you lose trust in the money and you just know that your currency, whether it's the boulevard or the dollar, I don't care, as soon as the society has the recognition that this currency is worthless, it's over. And it's a catastrophe for the everyday folks, because they're always the last to figure it out. And we of course know the stories of wheelbarrows filled with money in Weimar, Germany, and how this can go. So if you're somebody and you're looking for, you've got federal reserve notes that are worth something today, but you know that they're gonna be worth less tomorrow, and they might be worth nothing at some point, who knows. And you're looking to preserve them. You're not even looking to get rich. You're just looking to not get poor. Just retain my value in something. So I guess you start making a list of things that has intrinsic value, Land, productive farmland. I don't know. The list gets small almost immediately and you start going gold. Bitcoin, if I can get it, know, gold and silver, can I get it? Maybe I can get it. And you start looking at Bitcoin, you go, this is capped. There's a capped fixed supply, ultimately. There's a digital representation of energy, know, kind of the energy used to create this. There's a lot going on for Bitcoin. Is that the answer? Are people looking at that as a potential escape valve for this? mean, again, not trying to get rich, just trying to... minimize your downside risk. And I know that the idea of Bitcoin with its massive fluctuations and volatility doesn't sound like a great store of value for getting away from risk, considering how risky it has been. But you know that there is a cap supply and it may be risky and the price may move all over the place today, but ultimately you think maybe it can get somewhere. How do you, how are you looking at this? What's on your list of things to buy that have value today and hopefully will have value tomorrow? Tony Arterburn (39:23.519) Well, I'm fortunate enough to, I got my two physical locations. People come in and sell me things so that it gives me the ability to choose. Most everything goes into Wolfpack or I'd sell it to the trading floor. mean, we're not capital heavy. mean, I'm just, I'm just not, I'm just cashflow is always an issue, but I'll find myself. I know what's liquid. It's a gold and silver, especially gold and silver bullion. or even like the pre 1965 US coin, it's very liquid. I if you know what it is, you know it's real. Like you just say last year at this time, if you just, had, you know, a little bit of cash and you're like, well, I got cash for emergencies. You'd been better if you just bought at the right price, the right dealer just bought some gold and silver bullion because the prices are up. And so you would have preserved your purchasing power. Again, the dollar lost 50 % of its purchasing power against gold in the last 12 months. So it wouldn't have been a good idea. Cause you bought less with those dollars had you saved them. So it needs to be something not collectibles. You got to buy from the right people. So you're not overpaying and not paying a bunch of premiums or blue sky. Like I did when I bought my first goal, like, you know, don't do that. So that's always a good thing. You talk about Bitcoin. it's funny. It's like Bitcoin's volatile and as Bitcoin over is that it's funny because, I, I just looked and I was doing a. calculations like what was the price of Bitcoin last year at this time? it's 70,000. Okay, yeah, Bitcoin's over. It's 70,000 last year, it hit 125 this last month, and it's down and went to 100 and 105 this morning. Okay. You know, you again, it is you talk about scarcity. Have you ever just looked at like how little Bitcoin there actually is outside of you know, the the institutions and the whales that have it? But did you know that less than It's like less than 850,000 people worldwide own one Bitcoin. So yeah, if you just how many individuals own at least one Bitcoin? you know, what is it? Seven and a half billion people on planet Earth or whatever that I mean, is that even real? But whatever that right? Whatever for now. So out of that billions, like it's 800 and something thousand. And you know, there's more millionaires on earth than people that own $1,200 in Bitcoin. like, yeah, I mean, it's just a scarce Charlie Robinson (41:27.022) I'm Tony Arterburn (41:41.947) scarce assets and you kind of have to believe in the future a little bit. Like you have to believe there's going to be a grid and that there's the internet and you know, killer, you know, AI robots won't be assassinating people at will. You have to kind of believe a little bit that humanity will continue to believe in Bitcoin. But I think digitally in a store of energy and the scarcity issue, because it's real and it's not made by a company or a person or a government. Hey, I think it's a good bet. And I here's my promise. I'll never sell what Bitcoin I'm gonna ride this sucker all the way to the bottom. If there is a zero, I will be holding it at zero. And I'm going to do it because I put it in my my businesses. What am I going to just sell and be a coward be like, I was wrong, you know. I don't think that I am. And even if it just chops sideways for a while and adjusts for inflation, I think we did pretty good. Charlie Robinson (42:21.529) All right. Tony Arterburn (42:39.766) Because if you're sitting in studio and I can just say, oh, hey, try oh you 100 and send it to you right now. You know, there's no bank and we have what to pay a little bit of just tiny, you know, fees to move it. So I think that's a great technology just to have in and of itself. Aside from that, I buy a little Bitcoin every day, just a tiny amount. And I have my I like to buy the silver. I think just having the I mean, gold at the right price, obviously, I just get, used to, I wanted to do a social media experiment. I, I called it off because I've been too busy. I didn't even post it because I've been so busy with stuff. I don't have time to like deal with comments or anything. But I was going to say, I'm to buy an ounce a day and then show people what I bought and talk about it. You know, like every business day, not, you every, every single day, but every business day, like buy an ounce for myself and then put it in the balance sheet. And I thought about doing that. mean, that's if you just, instead of just thinking, well, I got to have a thousand ounces or I got to have 500 ounces or whatever, just buy a little bit. And it's one of the reasons why, you know, not it's not an infomercial was why I did Wolfpack. I was like, if you just set it and forget it and you trust me to get you the package, then you're going to have that on the balance sheet or yourself. And you've got that. You've got that metal. So I say in today's world with everything, all the uncertainty is if you can cut costs somewhere. and get a savings account. The savings should be physical, something that you have. Either you control the keys to the Bitcoin wallet or you get, I would just, like I buy a little bit of mining stocks every day too. It's like tiny. I'm, I'm, it's not good. This is like a lunch money stuff. Okay. And I do that just through diversity. I do it through cash app, cash app. can get stocks. don't know if you knew that. And, uh, yeah, you can just buy it. I got looked up a few like smaller Charlie Robinson (44:19.182) Mm. Charlie Robinson (44:23.51) Okay. No, know you can buy Bitcoin, but I didn't know you could buy stocks. Tony Arterburn (44:31.448) silver mining companies like ones in South America and stuff. And I'm like, I'll buy, I'll buy a share a day. It's like three bucks, you know, or something. And I just let that, so yeah, I do a little bit of stocks, but that's it. Everything else is in the third dimension or it's on my wallet that I control. And I have no counterparty risk. That's the, the key here is counterparty risk, Charlie. Everybody you've got, the farther up you go on the ladder with your 401ks and all this other stuff and paper. Yes, you can have a great return, but watch Matthew McConaughey's character in the Wolf of Wall Street. You know, when he talks about, uh, it's like, and then you get another idea and you sell them on that. You know, it's like, just, if you just, in six, uh, silver has not been sexy until now. It's starting to look, Hey, what's up? What are what are you doing? Silver? And it's what it's looking like for a lot of people. Um, cause it, cause it crossed its all time. I finally, my entire life. So the, know, I was born the. Charlie Robinson (45:10.912) Anyway. Charlie Robinson (45:21.144) Yeah. Tony Arterburn (45:30.366) December 26, 79, the day the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. so like, you know, four or five days after I was born, like silver hits, you know, uh, 52 bucks and outs. it stayed that way as the all time high until a weeks ago or a month ago. And, uh, so we crossed that barrier. I think that was a psychological threshold. Uh, but I think we're in price discovery now. I don't know where this is going to end up, but it's crazy that two things are going on simultaneously. have slow pays. and you have massive demand and then the demand is coming from on high. Like it's coming from the top. There are people that are doing it, but there should be more of Charlie Robinson (46:03.874) Yeah. Charlie Robinson (46:09.279) Interesting. I wonder what happens if they fail to deliver gold and silver, then what? Tony Arterburn (46:18.85) It's all bets are off. think, okay, here's the thing. if, if P is a significant portion of the population woke up and said, I got to turn this fiat into gold and silver. And they placed the buy button. The buy button would just malfunction. Like you couldn't deliver. The reason, so I have in my notes, you should see my notes from the weekend. I just sit with my dog in the mountains. I'm in the Ozarks, I'm just writing stuff down in my cabin. I'm like, wait, I need to develop relationships with mints that I haven't ever talked to, like directly. I gotta go, I gotta bypass some of these other things in the wholesales. I gotta have all these options to make deliveries and just source because the old system isn't gonna work, especially if we hit a place where there's, we wanna buy. I don't think they could fill the orders. And so there's dealers that are, you know, there's, I'm kind of an anomaly. Like when we did my first shop in San Antonio, it was next to an adult novelty store. I just, I was me and my Labrador and a legal pad. And I had like very few testing equipment. I, I tell, I'll have to buy you a drink and tell you how I did it. Sometimes it was just like a really touch and go. Like if I was on a shoestring and I knew I like, can, I know enough to be dangerous. I can figure this out, but I really wanted to. And I was about a six months in, I was like, Hey, do dealers my size do 401ks and IRAs? Turns out they didn't. So I just was able to piggyback on some stuff and I've been successful with it. Most dealers don't do this like what I do. Okay. So there's, they get their supply from the people and the people aren't giving them supply. They generally don't, you know, they don't order. like somebody comes in here and Branson right now, I can see people on like there's, got customers out with my crew. If somebody comes in and says, I want 500 ounces of American Eagles, you know, silver. And I say, well, OK, we'll take your check. We'll certify it. We'll give you a receipt. And you come back in whenever we can pick it up. Most dealers would just be like, we don't have that in stock. Tony Arterburn (48:27.422) That's way a lot of dealers would do. And sometimes they can order, but, then some people want it right then. We have enough to be dangerous. If you want to like walk out with something, I can definitely do that. But the key to the point of all this was, I don't think we're prepared for the, the supply chaos that is, I think just bubbling under the surface for gold and silver. And what the, and I'm not, this isn't even like an investment advice. Like the price is going to go parable. You see these YouTube channels with these guys get all these clicks. They're like, $5,000 silver, you know, I'm not doing that. Because I think if you have a certain price of silver or gold, you probably can't go outside. You know, there's something really bad happened, you know, like, it's like, the I do you see gold is $10 million. That means like, yeah, literally. It's like, Klaus Schwab is taking his final form of one of the biblical Revelation characters or something. But that's that's Charlie Robinson (49:06.669) Right Charlie Robinson (49:11.915) You don't want to live in that world. Charlie Robinson (49:17.814) Right. Tony Arterburn (49:24.498) That's the key to all this is that we don't know. mean, the price discovery is still happening and the supply isn't what it seems. So I'm learning more every day as I wake up my, wow, this is, this is going to get really interesting. But those who are, you know, again, it gets gold, silver Bitcoin GSB. If you're in that, that to me, that's a great portfolio. And, know, cause you have to have some optimism. I know, you know, with me and you and Bitcoin, talked about this for years. you have to be a little bit. I mean, if you're, if you're, if you're completely resigned to being consumed by the new world order beast and that nothing, nothing matters, then yeah, don't buy Bitcoin. But I think Bitcoin and, and you ever realize that how dumb the people are that actually run a lot of this stuff? I mean, they are pretty stupid. Their predecessors were brilliant, I think, but I think they, a lot of inbreeding has gone on and a lot of arrogance and I just don't believe in them. Look at the and I think it's a like the switch that happened with central bank digital currency to the like the new coke rebranding of stable coin, you know, like that was pretty good. But they still have to figure out how to do it. Like how they going to have this public private partnership because CBDC just it just was dead on arrival. As soon as like it reached critical mass where people knew what it was, I remember in like December of 22, I was talking to a Republican group in North Texas. Nobody knew what CBDC was a year later. Everybody knew what CBDC was. So was like, wow. Okay. And it was being talked about and being shared. And, uh, but they are doing something else. They're doing something else with, uh, with stable coins and, uh, we'll see what that is, but it is a public private partnership, which is the fascism. I mean, that's textbook what that is. But that doesn't mean they're going to be successful. And you got to look at all the moving parts. We lost the petrodollar on accidentally on purpose last year. That's another how you propping the dollar up? I don't know. These are these are open questions. Doesn't seem like that smart to me. But there is all obviously to the control demolition, as you pointed out, we have to contend with that. But I think we're in between being Charlie Robinson (51:31.809) Right. Tony Arterburn (51:48.987) a student of the conspiracy theory of history charlie robinson and being in the precious metals business i think we're in the right place at the right time and this little bend of the river in history so i don't want to not not saying that in an arrogant way i'm just being grateful i think we're in the right place Charlie Robinson (52:05.325) I agree with those who can see the gold, silver, Bitcoin component of this because maybe you have to get burned now and then and have to go through it. Like I just needed to not be the sucker playing three card Monte anymore, you know? And when it comes to the complexities of financial system, We're like at a severe disadvantage trying to understand it all. And you make a calculation, you buy a house, you think you're doing the right thing, buying a house, because that's what you do. You buy an asset and you get the, but you buy a house at the wrong time or in the middle of a bubble and it pops. And then you spend the next 15 years trying to get back to where you just were. And it feels very demoralizing. Is that part of the equation, the demoralization of the American public? mean, to get us to, accept all of this, have to destroy what was before. it just feels like, I don't know, the pulse of America right now doesn't feel very optimistic. It feels like a bunch of people waiting for something bad to happen. Have you gotten that feeling that everyone's kind of sitting around waiting for the big thing to? to come and get them and meanwhile they're not using this time effectively to make moves in advance. Tony Arterburn (53:36.03) Absolutely. Ron Paul had an article that was up on Kitco. I read it on my show last week. And his language was, it wasn't typical of Ron Paul. And that's what I noticed right off the bat. was like, the United States is, he used these words, the United States is fiscally and morally bankrupt and something big is coming. So this is Ron Paul, you know, and he's been saying similar things, just not in that same language for many years. I've been following him for close to 20 years now. So for him to say that, you know, it's all a grift to like, there was another article that came out on antiwar.com last week about Ukraine needs 398 billion to, for budget shortfalls over the next four years and The Economist magazine was owned by the Rothschild family was like, should certainly do Europe should do that. And they were painting it in a way like this is how we can create a European Federation more, you know, closely knit and then bogged down with debt and all the rest of that just fighting wars for currency creation, human lives, right? Just human lives put on and sacrificed to the altar of. fiat currency and domination from the few at the top. And that's what this has been about. And so we're the average American is being robbed, being robbed of their time, their energy, their savings, their future, their birthright. We pawned America's soul. First, we did it with free trade and the free trade agreements with the Trojan horse of global government. I'm for free markets, by the way. And now how can I even look at the funhouse mirror version of what I advocated? you know, 10 plus years ago, way before Trump came down the escalator, I was talking about these issues and I ran for Congress. Like we need to bring back tariffs and people like that. That's crazy talk. And I'm like, yeah, it works. It works. But now it's a fun house mirror version of itself. And now it's like, you can't be taken seriously. Cause like, well, you're just going to tariff everything and we're going to tariff a hundred percent if you don't use a dollar and all that stuff instead of what it was supposed to be. So we we've abandoned economic nationalism and you have again, Tony Arterburn (55:57.971) people, greatest transfers of wealth are happening right under your nose. Look at the supply chain that was completely destroyed in 2020. It has never recovered. what, a hundred thousand plus small businesses wiped out and not to mention the amount of employment and opportunity that was lost. And the only reason we're hanging on is because they pumped trillions and trillions of new currency units into the system. And that's propped it up. But you you know what comes up must go what goes up must come down right there's there has to be an equal and opposite reaction and those things are going to fall like you know the the inflated bubble that is this will burst because it's not backed by actual like money to the the energy and the Charlie Robinson (56:29.783) Yeah. Tony Arterburn (56:49.502) the outcome of building something, the productive nature of an economy. Even go back to the, I talked about Paul Volcker earlier that raised interest rates to the teens. They hauled him before Congress in the late 80s and he said, well, the reason that we've had these setbacks in the economy is because we were transitioning into a consumption economy instead of a production economy. And when you're a production economy, you become a lender and not a debtor. Well, now we're a consumer and a debtor. it's, the polls have reversed. And that's why I've mentioned all these stories are important, like building gold storage facilities outside the Hong Kong airport and building gold storage facilities in Shanghai. It's important just to watch the metrics of where the actual money flows. I mean, you watch currencies all you want, but look at where the actual value is going. And so a lot of that's moving away and Americans are being robbed. And it's really, really hard to watch, especially we're playing these political games. And that's why I asked you at the beginning of the show, and I really wanted to know, like, do you think they're really doing politics anymore? Because I can't tell the difference. can't really see that they, do the two parties care who wins? Like we just had that Montani guy, I mean, I don't know why anybody's surprised, like MAGA and Fox News is like, I can't believe a socialist won in New York. I'm like, the world's richest people fund that. Like, do you not carry that? Do you not, I mean, do you not read? Does anybody? Charlie Robinson (58:09.484) Yeah. Tony Arterburn (58:13.564) Is there a lack of library cards, Charlie Robinson? that what's going on? Charlie Robinson (58:16.129) There is, there's a major lack of light. When, let me ask you this, when you were a US Army Ranger jumping out of perfectly good airplanes, what kind of airplanes were you using? Because I'd be curious to know, I'd love for you to go take a, do this again, but take a bunch of those bankers that are, that so easily make the decisions about war. Maybe we could drop them into the front lines and see if they get a different perspective on this, because it's so disgusting. that the idea that was introduced to us, and it is absolutely correct that all wars are banker wars, and you find the weakest men amongst us in positions of power inside the banks too, on top of that. It's just the grossest situation. Maybe we can't drop these bankers and show them the realities of war, but I wonder, is there a way for us to go... from being how we used to be a production society into a consumer society. Can we turn that around? Is there still time to change that? Is that what Trump ultimately, I know he's cartoonish in the way he does it, but was that what he was trying to talk about doing? That we have to turn this whole boat around and go the other direction? Tony Arterburn (59:21.758) Of course. Yes. Tony Arterburn (59:37.523) don't know what he's talking about. mean, I honestly don't. don't, I've stopped trying to interpret whatever it's so all over the place. And I think that's by design. I mean, it's this WWE character. And I would point out just, just for, I love you. And you, sometimes you refer to me as an army ranger. I never went to army ranger school. I'm a paratrooper. I was airborne and I was military policeman out of Fort Bragg. Charlie Robinson (59:38.989) It's a fair point. Charlie Robinson (01:00:01.25) Okay. Tony Arterburn (01:00:04.146) I'd hate for anybody to, cause I didn't disagree with you on that. just think, I know, I know, but I just, love the Rangers and I worked with them and I tried to, I was going to try to go to sneak into Ranger school when I was at Fort Benning. Would have loved to have been a part of that, but I was an MP and they, know, you kind of go through a bunch of paperwork to get Ranger school. Never did. But I love them. And I just wanted to clarify that case. Anybody who's listening, because you never know people. I gotta be really careful what I say, cuz all my stuff and my vet stuff is 100 % and I'm back anything I've ever said. But just in case, I don't wanna be like, what's that guy's, was it Senator Blumenthal? Who's the guy that said he went to Vietnam and didn't? Yeah. Just something like that. I would never. But no, I think you can absolutely bring back a spirit of Charlie Robinson (01:00:45.097) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tony Arterburn (01:01:00.016) entrepreneurism, which I think is more important than ever. Like a lot of things have changed, like the manufacturing now you got artificial intelligence and robotics and other things that are going to replace workers. And I'll never forget an interview that I saw with Pat Buchanan. This guy's like, he's rattling around in my head, it's like 13 years ago. And somebody said, well, robots are going to, you know, take over all production. And Pat just said, who's going to make the robots? And I thought, that's a good point. Somebody's got to make the things that make the things. You know, so you will still have, opportunity for manufacturing, but Charlie, really think that the, the, the main opportunity in all of this chaos is, the entrepreneurial spirit and that's the can do can make things. And you talked about these equities companies going up and buying, small businesses and HVA seeks is, and there's a reason for that. There's. equity there. There's real equity. That's mean I mean, that's why they're buying it because there's value and I think like if you're a young person, even if you want to start over gosh, you know, it's technical stuff you can do if you're serving your neighbor and you're doing anything. There's a ton of stuff that you can do and entrepreneurialize like, you know, AI may replace coders and stuff. Remember they said go learn to code. Well, I fix a fix your drain. Tell you, tell get get chat GPT to fix your sink. Charlie Robinson (01:02:22.167) Learn to weld. Tony Arterburn (01:02:27.295) It won't, I mean, so it's never going to, and you know, maybe, maybe, you know, so far in the future, we'll have this dystopic robot that'll come in and put little booties on or something and like go through pictures. I don't think, I don't think that's happened anytime soon. So there's, got a lot of upside. I don't really want to live in that world. So don't know. I don't want to navigate that one, but I do think that, we have a ton of opportunity. wouldn't let the, the living through the great reset. steal your optimism. I think it's just going to change. It's, it's just changing. The system itself is changing and there's going to be a lot of people that are left out and there's going to be a lot of austerity and maybe, maybe Deagle was right. You know, maybe that whole thing, maybe they're just off by a few years or something. Maybe there is a mass exodus from this continent or something based off of a fiscal collapse or something. But I think that there's still a Charlie Robinson (01:03:16.098) Yeah. Tony Arterburn (01:03:25.617) still a sea of opportunity out there. And don't forget, you know, the great depression, if you weren't over leveraged, like he didn't get too over leveraged on stocks before the 29 crash and you weren't, you know, some arrogant, you know, a big wig or something, you probably made a lot of money. The people that may, but there's some people that did really well, made fortunes in there in the great depression. So it's just something to think about. don't know if manufacturing can ever come back the way it should, but hell nobody ever tries the good ideas like Why don't we have a, why don't we just designate Michigan and say, no, if you, if you provide anything here, you make anything here and where we used to be the manufacturing marvel of mankind, as a hundred years, no income tax. I was just desing that you could do that by executive order. Just like, don't you just do it? Like everything here in this state is 100 % rebuild it. And people would, there would be entities coming from all over the world. Like you're completely tax exempt. If you make things here and put people to work. Charlie Robinson (01:04:09.055) yeah. Tony Arterburn (01:04:24.319) Well, why don't they do that? And see this, it's the lack of those kinds of initiatives that make me go, you'll do executive orders on all sorts of illegal immoral things, know, murdering people. And of course you're creating genetic code injections and all sorts of other stuff, but you can't do that. mean, I think that's kind of the tail, isn't it? But we, Hey, those a hundred percent tariffs on China really helped out your portfolio. Charlie Robinson (01:04:52.043) Yeah, well, I guess it's a matter of perspective, right? Where you are, if you're living through this current situation, there's gonna be massive opportunities in the aftermath. Anytime you change, make changes like this that are so sweeping and there's gonna be somebody who recognizes that there's a need for a product or a service and you're gonna fill it and there's going to be. plenty of opportunities for those who are ambitious and bright-eyed and not filled with a bunch of spike proteins and not sitting around waiting for a government handout or dumbed down by the school system or whatever. But for those who are willing and able to actually participate and use a little... creativity and come at some of these problems from a different angle, boy, I think there's gonna be some real opportunities. But I do worry about the people who are going to get creamed out by this whole thing, who aren't gonna understand what's coming. Hell, we barely even understand, we don't even understand the details of it all. We can't possibly know what exactly is coming and when it's coming. It's just that, you know, we look at all these numbers and we look at behavior and patterns and, you know, you can kind of make some deductions on what's going on. It doesn't feel like it used to feel a few years ago. It feels very different. And I don't want people to feel like it's over. It can feel different, but still be good. We can still make things better in the aftermath. But boy, it feels like an assault against us by the powers that be on a variety of levels monetarily. Of course, we're talking about that, but. Tony Arterburn (01:06:26.57) not even close. Charlie Robinson (01:06:47.095) but not limited to that. I don't know. Let's wrap up with some optimism though, because, know, as you mentioned, great fortunes were made in these times of upheaval. So if you're somebody who's interested and you're looking for a side hustle or you're looking to quit your job that may or may not be here in a couple of years anyway, you know, what would you tell somebody? I just had Doug Casey on, we were talking about his book, The Preparation. which is ditch college and do things differently, take those four years and invest them differently. If you were gonna give somebody advice on how to plan for what comes next in this crazy world, what would you tell them to focus on? What would be your areas or where not to be? Tony Arterburn (01:07:36.365) I agree with Doug Casey on that. I mean, if you can skip a formal education, if you're not going to do anything with like, if you're not going to get, become a doctor or go hit a law degree or something, or a technical degree, like an engineer or something, then I'd stay, I'd stay away from that. I'd save the money and put it into a personal education. I mean, find a mentorship. As I mentioned, like the trades, I mean, all the trades are out there, electrician, plumber. HVAC, like these are all things that you can do. People's houses, like you have an aging population too. There's, less and less, like people are going, like there's a shortage of electricians. I just read this the other day, like just a massive amount of, blue collar. And then of course, technical jobs and other things that are, you can manufacture your own small business. But even if you wanted a home-based business, I mean, you mentioned the beginning of the show, mentioned Legal Shield. People don't know that you can go to don't get kicked around.com. You can find and then you can find out you can do a home based business with that. And I introduced you to Legal Shield and I've been with them. I was thinking about this when you're doing the intro. I've been with them for 23 years. So was 22 when I signed up. So more years now than I was alive when I signed up and I've used it. you know, hundreds of times, go, you know, I have them for all my businesses and everything else. And it's just a, I mean, for the amount of money that it is. And it's a great way to make extra income. I mean, you never, always talk about the membership, but that's another way, like just home based businesses. Even if it's a, like, you can work part time on your dream, full time on your job, and you can do something like that. Just don't let, I find, that I guess I'll tell you a quick story. I was trying to wrap up. I got an email the other day from this crazy person. And I was looking through the email and it was saying that Wolfpack.gold is a scam. And then it saying like it went through eBay and found other things that were cheap, whatever. I don't believe it, but it was like, I don't know what a gold back is and all this stuff. was going and saying that I was somehow this had this sophisticated monitoring system and Tony Arterburn (01:09:43.529) I was, by the way, it's built on the worst of shittiest platform. I'm trying to get off of it. I don't have a sophisticated platform. I'm literally just making payroll and small business packing these packages. And it's so funny when I get this. And it's like this lengthy criticism. And I didn't respond, but I thought about it. And I was like, in our business, what we do, because we're an alternative media, we understand there are like, he used the word creepy, there are creepy creeps. and weirdos and data surveillance and all that stuff that does go on. It's not by me and it's not by small business, but there are like entities that are listening to you and doing all these other things. And I just thought we had to be careful in this realm of like calling out what is truth and, you know, being prepared for dystopia and also just not being, not being a big pussy. Like, I just thought that was a I'm sorry to use the language on the show, I just, you know, it really, it bothered me. I'm like, we are people. Like, are you just not built tough? And I just thought that was funny. Like you're spending time on a small business site that I wish I'd have built a thousand different ways. And I'm kind of stuck on the thing right now because of, have all my members, but it was just funny. Like don't get so like everything right now you get, you get some commentators too, that are just like, it's over and everything's bad. And everything is a, everything's an op. Well, if everything's an op, then nothing is. mean, you have to have a little bit of nuance. And I think that there's, there's going to be, and we have to be leaders too. Those of us, everybody, if you're in, you understand what's going on, then help other people. It's just, there's going to be some downs. Downside to what's coming. it's baked into it, but you don't have to be in despair. That's my, that's my two cents for the thing. I just want to, I throw that out there. Cause I think it's there's, a lot more opportunity to do good and to see how you can better yourself than any time in history. So, hope that helps. Charlie Robinson (01:11:47.342) Yeah, yeah, there's a lot to be optimistic about. Sure, we see the speed bumps, because we're paying attention, we're looking for them, and we're right to call them out to the extent that we can. But I don't want people to live, I mean, look, as far as we know, we get one life. I'm not gonna consult with the Hindus. They may have different thoughts on this. But if you do get only one life, you gotta... you gotta really sit down and think about how you wanna spend it. Do you wanna spend it in fear? I really don't. I'm scared of some things, the things that I maybe don't understand I can get scared of. But I always feel like in the aftermath of something like that, I was scared and I had nothing to be scared about, or I was worried about that and then I went through it and it wasn't what I thought it was. So sometimes we build this up in our own heads and we make things out to be. an insurmountable future where it's just gonna be scary and terrifying. And I guess maybe some of that is what you make of it. And of course there's variables, but if we come at this, you know, this problem with the future with honesty and integrity and, you know, a little bit of sense of humor about what we're up against and we're fair and honest and say, this is how we see it, but we don't have all the information. If things, know, some things may be different, but I think people... I think there's a lot to be optimistic about. I think there's a lot to look forward to, but going through what we're going through right now with the uncertainty, it's like, it feels like coming in for a landing when you're going through quite a bit of turbulence. I mean, you're pretty sure you're gonna land and everything's gonna be fine, but while you're white-knuckling it, man, it's real. It's your reality in that moment. So for the old you that are struggling right now, I hear you. I really, really do. But there's a solution, we just gotta find it. And of course, if you're waiting for the government or the people on television to tell you what the solution is, you'll be waiting a long, long time. You're gonna have to get it from better sources. So improve your sources. Tony, we wanna wrap up with anything? Any last words from you, my friend? Tony Arterburn (01:13:55.004) I'll just always good to talk to you. Thanks for having me back on love your audience and thanks to everybody who's a customer for wise wolf and and even a legal shield. I think you you have we have grid sponsors and I'm proud to be one of your sponsor. You have a fantastic program and I can't say enough good things about you my friend. So thank you. Charlie Robinson (01:14:08.407) Yeah. yeah. Charlie Robinson (01:14:15.863) Thank you. Likewise, I believe that we can do this with integrity and we can run these companies and we can talk about these things and we could be wrong from time to time too. And people will understand that we're trying to get it right and that we're coming from a good place and that I just want everybody to experience this life and come out of it and say, damn, that was a fucking blast. Let's do it again. But I don't know. We'll see how things shake out. That's Tony Arterburn, everybody. You can check him out at Paratruther. You can catch his podcast, his Paratruther podcast. of course, America Unplugged Saturdays with Billy Ray Valentine and Don Jeffries. can catch all of his... You can catch everything Tony Arterburn is doing over at what's the best place to catch you? Arterburn.news? Tony Arterburn (01:15:06.42) You know, we could do art of burn dot gold art of burn dot news, or even have a shortened it. You can do Tony dot gold. If you don't want to type all those or try to figure out how to spell archer burn, you can just do Tony dot gold and it'll link you to the website. I have most of the stuff there. Message me if you have any further questions. You can even call me so you can call the main. Somebody will give me, give you a message. So I'll be able to get back to anybody. Charlie Robinson (01:15:31.118) call my friend tony.gold. Hey, Tony! You reach him anytime. And if you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the best place to do that. Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you again soon.