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Hey everyone, I'm wa and I'm Chris, and welcome the Dokey Sweeties.

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Hi.

Hello, So today we're talking ninety day fiance happily.

Ever after season nine, episode eleven, nobody puts a baby in a corner?

And who's that baby?

Is that Julia?

Is that the baby that's being put in the corner?

I mean, Julia is putting her own baby in the corner by saying she might not have one.

Yeah, but they are also putting her in a corner by forcing her to make a decision right now in front of everybody, whether or not she's going.

To do it or not, which is like crazy, Yeah, I agree with you, but you know, who also put baby in a corner the producers because they didn't have Tiger Lilly and adnan On who just had a baby.

They literally put their baby in a corner.

I was actually grateful that we didn't have them.

I was like, it's like, oh, thank God, no more.

I mean, and I just like give us a break.

You know, you didn't have Darky, So it was kind of like, yeah, it was kind of like the not having two seasoned ladies with winy voices.

Wine.

Yeah, and they have they both have like alpha male kind of like I mean, that's not you know that they both kind of have like men that would call themselves masculine men.

Yeah, that would call themselves alpha males.

Yeah, all right, except for Brandon.

Let's let's start with Julian Brandon.

Because Brandon, it really does he I don't know if his face is just so much like his mother's that I just can't get over it, or there's just something about it that I'm like, he is so beta to me that it's I'm like, how can anybody want to be in a relationship with him?

No shade, just like my experience and my feelings.

So Ron and Brandon, they're setting up the beach wedding and Brandon is getting frustrated and he's just just like, let a fly away, Just let it fly away.

I don't care, just let it fly away.

And it's just like, no, Brandon, try to figure it out, try to make it work.

This is your only job that you had to do.

You didn't have to give a dress, you didn't have to put on makeup, you didn't have to do much of anything.

All you had to do was just go out there and put them flowers down.

And then we've got Igor who's trying to help, and a fluozy finds her way over to Egor to help, and we're just like, ma'am, you see those camera crew, and you see that they're filming some silly high jinks scene where there's gonna be some silly music of how they're trying to make this.

Thing happen, and it's not happening.

And here you come over here trying to be like can I help you?

And then he's like Russian, Russian, and she's like well, and I was just like, yeah, there's a little Elise in us.

All.

You know what I'm saying.

Some people really will like do what it takes just get on that camera's you know, good side, which is in front of it.

So basically, yeah, like the wind is winding, you know, when we've been talking about how that could be problems, but don't worry.

You know, that's whatever.

We go back indoors, honey, to the woman's work, to the to the bridal suite, you know, and this is what This is the all of the stuff that's happening that you know, we're familiar with, especially if you watched Love Is Blind.

You know, Julia is getting ready and we got a great shot.

And by we, I mean yours truly, Chris, because for some reason I am fascinated with this kind of stuff of like what music, sorry, what products she's using for her bridal beat face?

And I'm going to go over them with you.

It's a lot of Charlotte Tillbury products, from the powder to the setting spray, a lot of real technique brushes, the pink ones, the the black ones probably are either like Sigma or Morphy or something like that, or you know, or Makeup Forever, maybe Mac, but I didn't look like Mac brushes.

I'll tell you that there's an Anastasia palette.

I don't own this palette, but it's a very kind of shimmery nudes and browns and it's been dived in before.

So whoever's doing this makeup this is like they're tried and true palette.

So and it looks like a palette that like I'm going to go out and just put out a limb that was probably purchased in like twenty seventeen.

Oh no, okay, anyway, so what that's irresponsible of that makeup to person to make up the person.

I know you couldn't even say it.

You were like, no, yo, you.

Could have a makeup ballot in twenty and seventeen, Jermys.

I mean, I often wonder how makeup artists keep the palettes clean.

Like in my mind, if I were to hire somebody to do my makeup.

Here's my makeup, here are my brushes.

Now you take your.

Talent to hand and use my makeup and use my brushes to put it on my face, like I wouldn't.

I don't know.

I wonder because you can spray alcohol water onto things and then it obviously dries and the alcohol sanitizes, and you know these things are powdered their talk.

You can do that, so I don't you know what there's something like that you can do.

But I mean, at the same time, none of us, and I mean none of us on God's green Earth unless you really have like a god bless like a team to do it.

Are probably taking care of our makeup and makeup brushes and clining them to the to the to the level in which would be nice Like I would I would have to clean my makeup brushes every time I use them, and do I No, I don't.

I don't claim every day.

It's like I have fifteen million makeup brushes, and makeup is only one part of my day, you know what I'm saying.

Like I do it once a month.

I've been doing it once a month.

I've been good about it.

I'm really proud of myself.

Like I think the answer though, like is it like like sheets once a week at least?

Yeah?

I know, and I can't.

I he'p right, can't do it.

Uh.

So Betty comes over and she's like, huh, Betty, I have alcohol, and I'm just like, you know what good for you, Betty?

And so she it's it.

They'remosas, and so Julia tastes a drink of it.

And she's like, when's orange juice?

No, just all champagne.

And I was like, Julie, that is what a mimosa is.

A mimosa is champagne with a drizzle of juice, just like a doll up a dollop of nectar, like talp a daisy.

Now, I normally your first class mamamosa does does have does have more orange juice.

And that one that the shade of this poor to me was indicative of it.

I'll just be honest.

It's what I pour myself when I'm at a bottomless or boozy brunch with my friends and I know that I have nowhere to go and I am going to put on a show and I want to get fucked up.

And that's when I was like, so the first one, I'll pour normal, and then that's what I'll pour myself and be like ha ha, just because I really want the champagne.

Oh yeah, I don't know that I've ever quote unquote poored normal.

I do put like, okay, I'll put like one quarter juice and then three quarters campaign.

But also it's it's when I yes, I agree, It's when I know I have nothing to do, but it's also because when I know I have plenty of til and all because let me tell you nothing, nothing makes me fall asleep in the middle of the day more than a boozy brunch and then waking up with a slight headache.

And it's very annoying.

So as long as I have my electrolytes and my tail and all or my everprofin good to go.

So uh that we cut back to the dads and uh bru Igor says in English, I want be to be good to Julia.

I want Julia to be happy.

And I feel like that's the best that he can say.

But what he really means is like, Brandon, you've been fucking up and Julia is not happy.

Let me tell you.

I'm to tell you right now in your language, I would like for Julia to be happy.

You see me, I'm bigger than you.

I'm imposing I could beat you and your data be good to.

Julia, which is not I don't think he's good to Julia.

I feel like there's nothing more kind of intimidating than being able to handle hot sauce.

Like I feel like that was low key, kind of like a power move that he did, being like, oh, if you think you're just fucking with some Russian guy that doesn't know how to speak your language.

On your soil, I'll be able to drink acid.

Just just that's a low key what I can do on a daily basis, So just don't fuck with me.

At one point, Julia had messed up Alice in Winner Lene and Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, which I found interesting because they both have to deal with little girls lost, and all they want to do is get back to a place they didn't enjoy in the first place.

If you think about it, So think about it is what I'm asking you to do, So think about it.

And I and then so when she got it confused, I was like, oh, yeah, well that makes it easy to confuse it or whatever.

And it's like, you know, and both girls are kind of dress Marmie or kind of dressed like Home on the Prairie esque, you know, like I listen, Alice is supposed to think happened in France or whatever, but like you know, she has that white apron and that like I know, you don't think about it, but it's true.

Also, water Land's a fucking trip.

I rarely always loved Alice in Wanderland because I liked the flowers so much, Like I'd never that tea party can like go to hell.

I don't give a shit about that tea party.

But my god, the flower scene and Alice in Wonderland is like top tier.

Is the walrus and the two like Tubby Dus twins Alison want to Land too, and they are okay.

And I think besides the flowers, I think obviously the caterpillar is everything?

Mm hmm yeah, or the cat?

Is there a cat?

There's so many fun things.

Yeah, you think about it, I could see why.

But also are the is this these stories both written by men?

Like it's just like Lewis Carroll, c C.

S Lewis or is it Lewis Carrol?

I don't know.

It's a lot of a lot of acronyms, so it could have been a woman, you know.

Whenever I see like not acronyms, whenever I see initials, I think it could be a woman.

Because women could not write, they had to have a nom de plume.

So we we then also find out that the Russian tradition for weddings is different than the American traditions.

Because Betty's like.

Yeah, blah blah blah, center Western Idea, American blah blah blah, and Julie's like, no, no, no, actually in Russian, you know you we uh we walk we both parents walk both of them down, you know.

And he's like, oh, good to know.

I'm like, yeah, Betty.

So Julia's feeling pretty optimistic about where they are right now because she's like, we both just came back from therapy and we both have done the things that we said we were going to do when we were in therapy and h Then Julia's mother gets there, and Betty's so excited to present Julia to her own mother's It was weird, did you not fine?

Like Betty?

Betty is imposing, she does too much, She's over herself.

She's like she's like happy to be the third wheel, like and it's interesting because it makes me always feel so horrible to be the third wheel or to be like feeling like there's one two and I'm out.

Like she is the opposite of someone who feels awkward when she is not needed or not wanted or not the important one or it's yeah and I she like runs into that fire.

Yeah.

So we have a moment where Julia's mother provides ear rings that she wore to her wedding and she got from her mother, which is Julia's grandmother.

And so we had a really sweet moment between two mothers, I mean mother and a daughter, and Betty like.

I'm right here, but forget me, mom me, I'm also important.

I like those earrings.

Yeah, just like in the sauce, just in there.

And I will say that, yeah, she's had her feel I will say though, that I do like Betty's hair, and this she's doing a different style in Florida, Like her Florida style hair is like her with a headband and it takes the hair from the front of her forehead and puts it to the back.

I enjoyed a little bit, a little little shake up.

Any change is good.

Yeah.

So they get onto the beach and it's the wind is a blowing, but there is no rain, and Betty is I bet she's pretty sad that there's no rain.

I think she wanted there to be rained so she could say I told you so.

Hmmm.

So yeah.

So then they get married and Brandon says something in Russian and he gets mad at the way that the m and the inn are said together in Russian like to Julia as though, like she needs to just go and change the language so that he can say it properly.

And then it's a happy time.

So then they go to eat afterwards, and Julia's mother, trying to make some connection with Betty, is like, oh, there's a plate of lobster linguini in front of me, and she's.

Like, Betty showed me how to eat it.

And Betty's like just eat it with your hands, like yeah, that's the best way to eat it.

And then Mother's like, no, no, I won't.

I cannot do that.

Sorry.

Yeah, She's like that's how US Italians eat it.

That's what you know.

Yes, Europeans Italians.

We're all Europeans here, you know.

We're like, I mean no, yeah, it's interesting she did say it.

Times was like, oh you just you know, you don't read Italian and nothing.

I feel like any Italian who's watching this is like, we don't claim you.

You have nothing to do with us.

Yeah.

I it's also funny to side note they're dressed.

Both both women's dresses were so the exact same kind of like flowy floral, that itchy kind of polyester fabric you know it, well, it's like it's a kind of sheer style fabric you see a lot of and it itches, but there's multiple layers of it so that there is a lightness to them.

That so you don't notice the itchiness unless you are truly out trying to like up close feel the grains of fiber between your fingers, and you're like, oh, this is anyway, this is uh, I'm move on, Okay, don't worry about it.

So, yeah, at this dinner, it goes brom bad to worse.

It goes from messy lobster to cracking bones, you know, to the conversation that we knew they were going to have because one thing that Brandon and Julia's producers told him to do is foreshadow every moment of contention, like you know, like definitely foreshadow Betty being obnoxious about Julia's wedding choices before they even get to Miami, like you know, like so in this case, they foreshadowed that Brandon is just needs to support her.

That all she's asking, as she did already ask in that poork, is like for him to support her.

So here we are, and we're in the perfect storm and the perfect storm is this restaurant with both parents on the sides, you know, and they start talking about children, and Julia is doing to me the thing where she does not want to get into the nitty gritty details, and so she's trying to be like, yeah, they said this, this, they said this.

But what she's not being is one hundred percent truthful and instead giving information she doesn't need to give that Brandon can then pick apart in front of them and then be like, that's not what the doctor said.

Actually that's not what happened.

When you know, I'm gonna say, it's not her fault.

But this is just a I feel like a note for us all, a note for us all that you don't need to give any information you'd want to write, because unfortunately, as you share with people, it's the good deed you think you're doing, but people use it against you.

They they use the information you are giving that is too many details to in the details make judgments against whether they think that's a good idea when they are not even prebby should be prebby, should be privy to that and for information, And therefore you are willingly giving away you know what I'm talking about Yeah, I do.

I think that you open yourself forself up to dissection when you provide too much information.

And I think Brandon should not have said what the outcome was.

She says.

What she reiterates is what she said in her confessionals is we are doing everything we can.

We're on the brink of divorce.

We went to therapy, now we're doing all the thing.

Went to the doctor, we did this.

And Betty's like, oh, you guys went to the doctor, and she says, yes, And that's all it needs to be is yes, we went and we got some information and we need to do some thinking and some more talking, but yes we did.

Brandon chooses to use this moment to be his parents only child and to like get up under his mother's teets and.

Be like, yeah, we went and the doctor said.

And Julia's like Brandan.

Stop and so she then tries to take control of the narrative and then does too much and it now spirals, and then Brandon is again.

Instead of him defending his wife and being on her side, he chooses to look at his parents.

Like, hug me.

She doesn't want to have kids like he wants them to.

In that moment do the thing that they've been doing since they've been married is to side with him, and I don't understand.

It's like, it's the definition of insanity to me, He's being insane.

That he can't you're gonna say something.

I just don't know how she could stand it, you know, like I don't know how she has stand in it, stood it because this has probably happened so many times and she just has been alone with him, and even in this moment, they're on TV.

And so I think either that or the fact that her family's there and again her father could eat his father.

Ron does say, like you guys, you guys, she has a body and she has a choice.

Yes, they say that, They say that politically, and so I'm gonna say that right now.

It's her body.

It is her choice, as you guys know.

So one second thing is Betty shut up.

He does tell Betty to shut up, and Betty is talking, but not as much as Brandon, you know, Brandon like.

So basically what is happening is, as we know, she has to undergo extra surgery to like cleaning out certain things as going around anesthesia to see if there's a possibility to then have kids, but at the same time that scares her or whatever.

Now, what is I think a little bit of an annoying thing is that some people feel like going on under anesthesia is not a big thing because it happens a lot in America and maybe they've done it or you know, and so to them it's an experience that doesn't seem like a big deal.

But to other people it does, and it feels like, you know, you know, what's kind of like that childbirth, you know, childbirth in itself.

And I'm just saying this as someone who hasn't given birth to any children.

Certainly seems like it's a fucking wild shit show ride that isn't just one big ass surgery and pain thing, but nine months of this whole thing.

So I'm just saying it's interesting for someone, even who has gone through it, to judge someone to not be one hundo percent willing to undergo that ride.

Yes, it's so interesting like that.

It feels like all women who had kids in like the seventies and the eighties and the nineties act like giving child giving birth was nothing.

And then all of my friends have like been very real deal about it.

I'm like how come the generations before us didn't tell well, they had less medicine and less like women doctors, and just less support in general.

Why.

I think there's a certain amount of like, I went through it and I suffered through it, so you have to do it too, where they just don't give us the tea.

And it's like, now that I have friends who are having kids or you know, like slightly older cousins, they're like, this should ain't this shit is ain't easy.

Sort of birden.

Now, some women do have a.

Relatively you know, easy whatever, but the ones who don't, we don't them yelling as much.

We don't hear their stories as much to know.

And it's funny because I, yeah, I had to be the person to be like wow, wow, Julia doesn't Julia doesn't want to go under anesthesia, and all I want to do is be under anesthesia.

Julia is scared about having kids and maybe the nine months leading up to it, and I'm like, I would love to feel that, Like I would love to see what that's like, and then if it's terrible, be like, Yep, you were right.

I shouldn't have done it.

But there's a part of me, there's a huge part of me that's just like, no, I want to.

I want to.

I want to feel it.

I want to feel a baby kick, I want to feel I want it all.

But yeah, so it's just it's very interesting that Ron actually did the thing he's supposed to do and step up and be like no.

Betty is like, you're the clock is ticking, You're only getting older, You're gonna die soon, so you need to have a kid now.

And Brandon is again trying to pull his mother into being on his side about it's only a simple procedure and she's like, Brandon, and he needs you to be on my side.

He's like, I am, I'll literally be next to you when it's happening.

She's like, no, I you don't actually have to go through this.

He's like no, but I'll be there.

She's like, okay, but you don't have to do it.

And he's like no, but I'll be there.

And she's like it's not the same as doing it, Like he just doesn't get it, and it's so fucking weird.

Yeah, so weird.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that I think that you know, I as we know.

This is all at the point, so moving on, because they, you know, announced their pregnancies.

And I'm sorry, this whole conversation is like neither here nor there, That's what I'm saying.

It is there in Miami, but okay, I think or some part of Florida.

So must move on to Gino and Jasmine.

Are you done with them?

Or you anything else to say about them?

No?

No, we're doin is listen, honey.

He's in the car and he's upset, and Jasmine talked to him and through an email and said that they need to get together because she has something to say that it's urgent.

And instead of like meeting up at that fun, weird like Mexican bar that like you know, oh they set the bar up with or wouldn't they, she made him go to Matt's house and he said yes.

Now all of this is like, why are you saying yes to that?

Who couldn't you if that?

Because it is weird?

It is weird.

I would I mean I personally after all this, after you know, would be like, oh, hey, could you meet me anywhere else?

Just wondering if you could meet I mean, oh, you want me to meet what Matt's house?

You wanting to meet you in his bedroom while you're sitting on his cock.

I mean, well, do you I don't quite know where you want me to meet you, but it's probably not going to be at that person's house.

But you know does well he does, Yeah, he does, and then he complains about it.

So I don't know if I mean, in my mind, she doesn't have a car, I mean she'd have the uber And I don't know what his heart in Michigan to get these things, like, I don't know, so whoever it is that he goes over there and he immediately because he hates Matt so much, is like this place is a dump.

My house is better.

And I was like, let's see the kitchens.

Is there a white refrigerator in Matt's kitchen?

I need to know that before we could decide, well, whose house is better?

But we know Gno's irrational, Like he's irrational when it comes to Matt, Like Matt is categorically way better looking than Geno.

Gino's like he's so ugly.

I'm like, do you know you are ugly?

You look like you.

Need like so much Vanny cream on that face just to undo the damage you've done of just being dry your entire life, Like I feel like I watched it and just put on copious amounts of lotion on my whole body because I was like, I too have skipped lotion at times, and I'm like, I can't.

If Gino's face was on the horizon for me, I would slather my body in lotion.

Now they get to Matt's house and it's been over a month since they've since they've spoken, So it's been over a month at least since the Natalie drama.

Maybe their timeline is so funky.

I wish they would just tell me how long it's been since she's been kicked out of the house, because it feels like the way that they're talking is that there was there was still some kind of chance of them getting back together.

Yeah, you're right, but they don't want to be because they're because they're big, messy, like because she's been pregnant for a hot ass menut.

And I think and they didn't tell us, like I think, you know, I think that when she's yelling at Natalie, she's pregnant and all that stuff.

Oh, like she had caught Coco when he, you know, try to get her to move with him.

Coco and heat when she tried to get her to move with him, she ordered hot cocoa with him when he oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, great, get it.

What you're doing with the dog?

Yeah yeah yeah okay.

So yeah.

So Gino says that Jasmine was is obviously jealous of Natalie because of the way she attacked her, and if she attacked her, and she's so jealous and there obviously must be feelings, and so then Gino says that he felt lonely after Natalie left and that he was thinking that him and Giasma could have possibly got back together, and but she would have had to completely apologize for cheating before the therapy.

So we cut to her.

And she's wearing a baggy outfit and she's like, you know, I was gonna make one choice, and then all of that completely shattered after I found out this news that I have to tell Gino right now.

So she's crying and she's like, I know that he's gonna believe that I did this on purpose just to hurt him, or she's gonna he's gonna believe the worst of me.

But that's not it.

And so he gets to her house and she opens the door and he just walks in.

Oh uh, well, excuse me, you walk on the com in.

So and he like tries to smile at the producers or smile at somebody, and like he gets so awkward and walking in, it's like, do you know you've been around these cameras for at least four years now, why it's still weird for you?

Like he stares directly at a producer or someone like a camera the camera person when he walks in, and like wants to smile but then doesn't and is like holding his face back.

And so then he gets and he sits down and he thinks that, you know, because he sees that all of her stuff is packed up, that she's finally gonna move and get her own place to prove to him that she wants to get back together, or and I'm just like this it felt like it was all a test, like him kicking her out of the house and her actually leaving the house when she legally doesn't have to, and him expecting her to make different choices.

And so then he gets with Natalie in order to like get back at her, like show he's still got it or some shit, when he's not really ready to be dating anybody because he hasn't fully even he isn't even really considered divorcing her because he doesn't want to give her any money.

So it's just like such a weird like space to be in where I'm just like you are the just the Dana says, like he's the constructor of his own disaster, Like he creates this because he doesn't want to be here nor there.

He wants to kind of just like hover in the middle until I guess someone else makes the decision or a decision is made for him.

And that's what ends up happening here that she ends up getting pregnant and tells him she's pregnant.

She's like, so this is the end of.

Our relationship, and he's like, I don't want to know your personal business.

And I'm like, this is why you're in the shit you're in, man, because you cannot just say what you actually feel like.

Don't be Tiffany and hunt for love in this moment where you just want to act like you're so cool then make the other person feel like nothing, like this is this is your real life, this is your real wife, and for you to just sit back and be like and that was that the thing you wanted to tell me.

I need to know your personal business, Like full you just finished telling people that you thought you guys were gonna get back together eventually.

You're absolutely right.

They had such an interesting com This was after they talked about what was happening with him, which of course Natalie fucking pieced out, and it was because, of course what had happened.

And he's like, well, you know, after you attacked her at my family's event, and she's like, you mean my family's event and then he's like yeah, and then you know, he's like, you just, you know, fucking went a what off of her?

Now she did?

And they go back and at her.

She's like, no, I didn't touch her, and then they should go back.

She's like, well, yeah, you like literally called her a hooker.

Okay, I take responsibility for that, but you have to take responsibility for the fact that the reason why you're not with her is actually not because of me, is because you are such a little wimpy week unable to handle a situation.

Make sure a situation doesn't get that bad, and be truthful to someone that you supposedly are interested in to make them feel comfortable.

None of that can ever happen for you.

And all you do is like not like you hop scotch around waiting to see if you can land in a square for a second.

That like someone's not going to like hold your feet to the fire.

But like the truth of the matter is like after a while, you they're every fucking square is lava, you know what I'm saying, and you're just hopping.

She's like yeah, He's like, you scared the shit out of her.

And again, I know Natalie's at home like that bait.

She had just scared of shit.

Out of me.

You stopped telling these people I'm scared of Jasman because.

I'm fucking not and I'll fight her right now, like uh she Jeff is like, no, it's because you brought her into a situation and you didn't tell her the truth.

You weren't completely honest with her, you you know, and and so now you're trying to blame me for it.

And he's just like, well y, yeah, She's like okay, Man.

Okay, And and then she's like then she tells him.

Then he has that that pretends stoic reaction where then he says, don't tell me your personal business, like is so fucking stupid.

And she he leaves and she's like, I know that he's going to suffer on his own and that this is really upsetting to him and that he's blah blah blah blah, and and all I can think of is like, g you know, you could have gotten her pregnant too if you would have just fucked her, So like, this is all starting because you could not have sex with her because of the contentious relationship you had, and then at some point you made us believe, at least me, that the reason why you're not having sex with her is to punish her, not because of your ed, but because you didn't want her to think that everything was okay.

So you didn't want to have sex with her, but also wasn't paying for things to take care of her.

Yeah, so it's just like it is just very much him.

Then he sits there and cries about how she's a liar and she used him and that you know it was never real, and I was like, I did, okay, gin know if that's what you need to believe, which is so delusional, And I hope that that level of delusion ever touches me and I'm like grateful for being in therapies who like can knock these ideas off of people, so someone could tell me, no, that's fucking crazy.

Like we all need it.

We all need a therapist or somebody.

In our life who's neutral, who can be like no, gin no, no, you knew that you did da da, and you brought somebody into this situation.

Especially you knew before getting there that Jasmine was coming.

It wasn't a surprise, so you could have not taken Natalie to that situation and just made plans to meet with Michelle and Danea the next day.

I agree with you.

I sometimes wonder though, like if some people who do have therapists just have yes, yes men therapists.

You know what I'm saying, if they never get better, Like your therapist is a yes men therapist, just saying whatever that person thinks, he is going to keep you going.

But do you know, I don't know if you know has gotten to anyone yes or no.

But basically he also says when she said that she's pregnant, he was just also like, well, I'm not surprised.

Guess what color me not surprised?

No shock here, flat face here.

Guess I could have put money on it.

Yeah, no, you are by blow, you're pregnant by him.

You're like, okay, yeah, no, you're surprised.

You know, you're surprised because he is.

He goes and cries later in the car, yeah or maybe maybe not the car or yeah, it's in the car, and then confessional when he's just like, I thought she you can do it because you do better.

Do you know?

I thought she loved me.

She's gas mean, it's a liar.

And I'm just like that those two things have not that she could still love you and have a baby on somebody else because that person's actually flattering her.

That's that's what it is, you know.

That's how babies are made, not just on love.

It's actual quaitus.

When did you stop loving her?

Ga?

Because it felt like it was before or last resort.

So it's interesting that he had said that, like, I feel like you have to.

I think that at some point you fuck the person that you love.

That especially that person that you love is constantly throwing themselves at you.

I'm just saying, yeah, god crazy, Okay, fuck the one you love.

Sorry, Libby and Andre, we can like start the trifecta.

You know as what, but I messed up the notes in this one, so it's going to be a little weird because I didn't realize that that Lauren and Andrea and Yari and Jovo were in different thingies.

So I'll call out when I messed it up.

So oh yeah, So Liby and Andrea are at the beach and she's like, take your shoes off?

Who were sucks and shoes at the beach?

And I was like, you know what, he deserves that.

I feel like anything weird and cutting.

She might say to him that feels a little extra aggressive, like I'm okay with it because he lied to her about losing seventy five thousand dollars and I will never get over that.

And I just think it's so interesting that she can with such full full chest support him when he's done that to her.

I feel like it is it is such a like breach for me.

So anyways, he's like, live, let's get back to.

The reason that we're hearing is because fucking Alexi called Lauren fat And I'm like what And Libby's like, no, no, it's because you did something to me.

Why do you keep talking about Alexi and Lauren, Like he just really wants to double down on the fact that like Lexi and Lauren are the enemy here, not him.

Yeah, he's like to fluck de fluc deflutch you like to do.

Like her earrings.

She had these like pink Fucia tassel earrings.

It looked like the kids, you know, like in fancy hotels and rooms when you have to tie back curtains and they have Yeah, they're like, I knew what tassel, but the first time, you know, no, just just confirming that, yes, that is the time.

I mean Chris.

Yeah.

She wears them in the Becheen and also in her like couples post scenes, so she fucking loves them.

I just feel like they're very twenty ten.

They give me like statement necklace season like that's when they, you know, were a thing.

Yeah.

So uh.

Lauren then.

Wants to talk to Libby about the money situation, and she's talking to either one of her friends of Yara about it, and she's like, yeah, like I just really felt like it was really necessary for me because I wanted to talk to Libby because she's my friend and I wanted to ask her what's going on are you okay?

And the only thing I can think about was like, that sounds nosy to me.

Like if I find out that that one of my friend's husbands is like has lost seventy five thousand dollars and that friend has told me, yet I.

Am not going to call that friend and be like, hey.

Girl, So I heard, like, no, unless that girl told me that her husband lost seventy five thousand dollars, then we can talk about it, because she's opened the door to me.

So it's weird that Lauren thought like, yeah, I wanted to talk to Libby about it.

So then Lauren.

Explains to Alexi that the reason why she may have said something to Libby that caused Libby to think that Laura that Alexi was body shaming her was and then she gives us like really stupid, convoluted like reasoning why, and it's it's the only thing I can think of is like, when you're in a couple them, or a marriage or like whatever or a group, there are times where your brain just thinks crazy things.

And that was just one of the times that.

Her She's like, yeah, you were trying to motivate me to like lose weight.

Or to be more healthy, and all I could think of was that you were body shaming me.

And listen, I know it's I have people I have friends with female friends and acquaintances who will start talking looking negatively about their body to me unbidden.

So I can only imagine what it's like when you're in a relationship with somebody, you feel very free to just like start downing yourself.

And I personally hate it, like I'm not interested when women are like, oh I'm so this' is a girl like hm mm No.

We all think things about ourselves and we all don't have to say them out loud every single time we see it.

So yeah, so that's what their drama is.

And then we somehow cut to Jovi and Yara, and Jovi and Yara are on the beach or somewhere in a restaurant eating with missus Gwynn and Yaar is wearing a sequence skirt and I want to know if it's comfortable to sit on.

Yeah, is at the time that like folds into themselves, you know, like there's sometimes I kind of like stretch a sequence and sometimes there's the really hard ones.

That restaurant looks beautiful.

There was like flowers everywhere, and Mala's there and job.

Now, one thing about Mala, honey, you got to start, you got to very early on teach kids table manners.

You cannot let kids do things in public places at tables and then act like it's cute when it's not cute.

I'll tell you what's not cute.

When there's one bottle of water on the table and that's like the table water, and then you use that bottle to pour into the four glasses that are on the table for their personal water.

She grabs it and she like puts it upright out her mouth, and you know, Gwenn and Jill be like, oh, so what are you doing?

You think it's your bobble, you would, And the thing about it is, no, you know, you don't have to be mean, you don't have to hit it out of her hand.

But you're all like, oh no, no, Mala, that's the table water.

That's for everyone's mouth, not just or that's you know, no one wants your mouth on that.

Here's your water.

And this is I mean, I'm sorry, this is a small thing, but I just really hate it, and like, yeah, like just obviously at one point, also the dog runs away.

So really it's a free, free reign house, you know, like whatever whatever anyone wants to do is what's happening.

Yeah, I mean I didn't grow up going to restaurants.

I feel like the first time I went to a restaurant, I was probably like ten so or like that.

I truly recall my we my parents cooked at home and so like, it took me a while, like to understand restaurant like etiquette.

Like even it took me a while.

To understand that the server was always going to ask me for my drink first, Like I was always shocked.

I remember being very anxious and being shocked, and they would ask me what I wanted to drink, and I would be like, I don't know, like I just got here.

So like, it took me a while to realize that that's the first thing that they were going to do, because we didn't go to restaurants that often.

Like ever, my parents cooked and didn't have the money to like be be doing that, so I can only.

I don't know.

I wouldn't know what it was.

I would not, in my.

Mind, take any child to restaurant unless they were either too small to be running or old enough to know not to run, So like, there is a definite timeframe in which I would not take a child, which is like walking age, so like eighteen months, two to six or just eight Like no restaurant for you, because I wouldn't know how to train a kid to do that, but I definitely would.

Was looking at Mila like not in your mouth on that, yeah.

And Missus Gunn was like ew and I'm no one's saying anything, and I guess which I guess She's not gonna say anything either.

So they go to the bathroom, Jobe loses the dog.

Then he's like laughing about how he did and how upset you know, Yaa would be, and it's very true.

And then we get into a conversation about them possibly moving back to Louisiana and how they both have such a great income that they could buy a fucking mansion in Louisiana and Missus Gwyn is looking at houses and so that's finally we have the Yara and Jovie drama of their season, and we are eleven episodes in and their drama is that he doesn't want to live there and they could move back to this to Louisiana, and he's been talking to his mother about it, but not talking to her about it.

Yeah, and that miss Quin's already been looking for houses, and that miss Quin's like I could take care of Milene your kids.

I just would.

I've been waiting to have more grandma time.

I've been wondering this whole time, when when can I babysit?

I've been always thinking, you know me, gwhen babysitting grandma?

That's what they call me.

You know, like you're like, what when?

Who are you?

And also another thing that makes me like also sad for Ya is like she's like I literally can get I don't forgot to write down the actual food title, but it's like a Ukrainian dish, she says, bors second or whatever.

But she's like, I can get it whatever I want downstairs from me.

Like if it's a bad day, it's a good day, it's a you know, whatever it is.

I get to have this thing and there's like a Ukrainian community community, and I get to like actually see people I know that look like me.

You don't not look like me, but like, you know, I'm sure she sees a lot of people that look like her.

But you know, I'm saying like that you speak my language and get me.

That doesn't happen so much, probably in Louisiana.

So yeah, like, uh, she is too fabulous for that.

I almost want her to say that sometimes, like I want her to be like you look at me, No, I'm too fabulous to live there.

Come on, look at me.

Look at who your son married, and then look at me.

Look at who you married.

You know, you could have married someone else that looked someone different, but you married me, and I deserve you know.

And the truth is, that's what I always think about men who marry up very high maintenance women, because I think you must not understand life, that that takes effort and time and energy, and you know, just like other things like being an artist.

Does you know what I'm saying?

There's just certain things that take a certain Jenna sequa, and that Jenna saqua is hard to like muster and summon in certain places.

Yeah, definitely, And it's definitely difficult for that to happen for her in Louisiana.

So I get I get that, But then we find out that that Yara does feel bad for telling Libby all the things that she did.

She's like, listen, don't tell I'm, I'm I'm very straightforward.

Don't tell me something because I'll just tell the person, And she realizes that she has caused a rift between two friends because she is being at Chi's moosa or can't hold her tongue like I'm telling you.

I from the beginning was like Yara is the problem.

She keeps telling people things when she should not.

She should not, so.

She feels like she needs to figure it out.

So next episode she's going to try to like figure out how to get their relationship back.

But prior to that, Lauren and Libby have a conversation in which Lauren comes into this conversation pretty like intense.

Again.

She's another person that I feel is kind of like Kara and kind of like Geno, where it's like do you want to.

Say the relationship or not, like you want to say the relate.

So she goes in and she's like, I brought my bag with the evil Eye, and I'm like, there's.

Nothing about Libby that I've seen on this show.

Unless Lauren knows something about Libby that we don't that would even cause me to feel like Libby would think bad or want bad upon somebody.

She seems to worried about her own shit for the most part, to be like really worried about putting us putting something negative on Lauren.

So I agree.

Yeah.

So, like Lauren comes in and is like, I just need there to I wanted to be in public with witnesses, and I'm like, you know, you're on a TV show and that like even if it was at.

Your house, like there would be witnesses, like witnesses to what.

And the drama is it's very housewife their drama.

Their drama is so real wives of something that it is hinged on nothing.

You called my husband horrible.

No, I called him a dick.

Yeah, he is a dick.

Libby knows that.

But you're my friend.

That's why it makes me upset because you are my friend and we've been talking for four years on like on the phone for hours and you called my husband a dick and I had to find out from someone else again Yara.

Being a being a Chi's moosa.

And then Lauren is like, why did you tell your husband that?

I said Alexi body shamed me.

Libby's like he read my text messages.

Lauren's like, I don't believe that.

And then Libby's like, well, he has said some things to you based on our friendship and the based on the things that you said to me that I find to be inappropriate, right, just like why are we fighting?

So finally, Libby's just like just so you know, like I really love you.

We've been friends for such a long time, and I'm not saying that our friendship is over, but like there's a lot of hurt and I want you to know I still love you and like we're cool, but just like we need time apart.

And I was like, thank you, Libby, that is such a thank you.

And then Lauren and then like Lauren's like Okay, well I'm gonna leave now, and I'm like, Lauren doesn't want this relationship.

The way she's behaving is like I don't want this relationship.

She didn't want a half ass hug.

And then she just leaves afterwards as though like she can't take it or I don't know what'd you get from that.

I agree, I don't think she can't take it.

I think that she like and her friend like hated that night and show she want to be like I apologize for my friend's behavior and it's like not really, I mean you were really on your friend's side.

But you know, like I think that she also.

I think that it was a really big blow and very awkward for her to have that conversation in front of Laundree about the body shaming.

I think that she's like scared of her husband and and him being upset and so she you know, I feel like it was an and or it exposed how whiny and or like victimy she is.

I'm not quite sure what it is, but she, you know, she just I think that she doesn't need she I think that she wouldn't probably feel comfortable with Libby, which I'm so happy about because I would rather than them again not film for the same reason you said.

It feels so housewipe again, even bringing up the stupid friend dinner with her friend from like three episodes before classic housewife move, so basically at the end, uh oh yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know, that's that's really the end of their.

Little Yeah, that's the other thing.

Yeah, So it's really like just it's just it felt like a taco of nothing.

And then on top of that, I was like, Lauren, you're weird for it's clear you don't want to be her friend.

A taco of nothing, Yeah.

Just like a sandwich of nothing.

Sandwich, Like it's just like I couldn't think of the word sandwich, so I said, still, I.

Just wanted a little more clarifications, you know, because I also love taco that it was like I never heard that phrase at all.

No, it's there's a corn shell obviously, but there it's just nothing on the end, just like it's just so basically it's eating chips.

It's like eating it's like eating two two whatever corn chips together, not even the crunch part.

You don't even have the salty crunch like you know.

It's just it was just annoying because I'm like, this isn't real.

And then and then on the end of it, like she just doesn't want the friendship and it's so obvious, and I'm just like, then just say that, like.

Why do you have to like blame who cares?

Okay, now we've talked about this, talking about people who don't want it anymore.

Kara and Garmo another thing of like you can't even hear each other.

You don't want to, you don't want Yeah, you don't want to.

So they're back at the cottage and it's t and tense, and she's brushing the ship out of her hair.

I mean, it feels like she went through all that to get it to be wavy, and it feels like she's to brush it out.

What is brushing?

Dude?

Does it not?

Does it make it?

Doesn't it take the waves out?

I just I don't know.

I'm not quite sure.

I think there are extensions, and so she's I think that she's you know, I don't know.

Yeah, I think there are extensions.

I think the waves help keep the extensions, uh not like not from problem sorry blending properly, you know, because like when it's straight, it's awkward.

When it's when it's a little wavy, like the ends kind of look like you know, PC and like layers.

So but basically they're at that cottage and you know, listen, it's beautiful, but it's like tense obviously because they fought hardcore last night and then they just laid down afterward and slept in the same bed.

They didn't fuck, they didn't.

They were just like back to back probably that kind of thing, you know, like where you can't even turn around and oh god, like I just like it feels so bad for them, because I also remember like they were so happy to get there and at first everything like seems so good.

I almost feel like what had happened is they started talking and then like if they I wonder Sometimes I'm like, you should have just never talked.

You should have just done a silent retreat, like a couple's silent retreat.

You don't talk, you just use other forms of communication.

But at the same time, it did reveal a lot like I hands down think that Kara has cheated on him multiple multiple times and doesn't trust it.

And just like we just watched someone somewhat disintegrate into their own fears, almost like a Dorian Gray and then try and project and deflect them onto him and then realize there's no way out because they're shared history and what has happened Dusty, And so I think that there's also a good chance that she's already fallen in love with someone else broad that like does music or something like that, because she is quick to be like, you're not my soul, like this isn't working on night one of this like couple's thing, or you know.

I didn't, Yeah, I mean I don't.

I don't get that at all.

I think that I don't.

I can't say whether or not she's cheated on him.

The fact that she's so hurt that he would think that makes me think that, you know, she hasn't, But she, I think felt like she wanted to because the postpartum was so bad and he wasn't there for her.

So I think that there's a huge block on him also not being able to truly empathize with her, and he let her down in such a momentous way that I don't think even she really understands like what happened and how she was let down by him, and so until she can truly understand, like pinpoint and be like you let me down.

And from there I started to.

Behave in a way that where I pulled away from you, where I did whatever, because I feel like I'm somebody who has a delayed reaction to when things happen to me, because I pushed through and I just move forward.

And sometimes I don't realize that I am behaving in a certain way because of a catalyst or because of a certain situation, and so until I'm like out of it, and then I'm like, oh I've been I've been grieving or I've been pulling away and so like she I feel like she's did that and then is now still mad at him or something.

I don't know.

It's just like.

There's a lot of hurt on both sides because she keeps crying.

She keeps crying whenever she talks about it.

She just keeps crying, like and going into tears.

And Oh, I have a question for you.

Do you believe that they're actually sitting next to each other when they have that confessional because I can't tell.

Yeah, I did.

I know it was weird.

I do.

I did think that.

Okay, yeah, I just couldn't tell whether or not they were sitting next to each other because like, I don't.

I just can't in my mind, if somebody that I love is sitting next to me and even though we're in a fight and they start crying, the only way I wouldn't reach over to give them some kind of comfort is if I was fucking done.

And so the fact that he won't reach over and touch her just so they can like mourn the loss of their relationship together is like weird.

It's like I don't get it.

It makes me go, oh, you don't get a fuck.

That's what that makes me go, is like, so I'm just like, to me, Giamo doesn't deserve like whatever, because he you know, I think they're both just done and it's just hard to watch at this point.

And I hope that they do it well for Nico.

I hope that they like break up okay for Nico.

So she finds his hair gel and she is like, I don't know if she's trying to show her superiority, but then she's like, do you want to look around to see if you left anything?

He's like, no, I'm good, and she's like, oh.

Like staring at him as though like if it weren't for her, he would have lost everything in that cabin.

Yes.

Yes.

Then she's like, oh, so you're done, Like it also almost felt like she's picking words that she thinks are like for him to choose about their relationship.

Yeah, And he's just like, by done, you mean, have I already packed my things and looked for everything I own and feel good about that choice?

Yes?

And then she does it a fucking again this fucking Then as you're walking out, she's such a goddamn bitch and she's like, thank you, thank you, Hey, thank you, and he's like, oh, I'm you didn't hear me the first time, but I said my pleasure.

I have a question, what.

Do you when you say thank you to somebody, do you especially say something for you?

Do you expect them to say something back to you?

Yes, oh, oh you're welcome?

Acknowledge, I admit okay if okay, so okay, uh well okay.

If someone opens the door for me and I say thank you, I don't expect them to say something, but I would, like, I mean, if I could see their face, if I could see if they gave me like a little like it'd be great, you know what I'm saying, Like if I'm if I'm talking to my dad, I never expect to reply at all, Like I never expect a goodbye.

I want to if I you know, if I was like, hey dad and he puts something down it's like thank you.

I wouldn't be like thank you and wait for him to say you're welcome.

He would never say it, you know, like she does.

She's obviously trying to pick a fight, and she's trying to not only pick a fight, but also do a game in which I win.

I'm better than you.

Yeah, I win.

I'm better than you.

I know how to leave hotel rooms without leaving things.

I check make sure I took all my plugs out.

I get on my knees, I look underneath beds, I open draworers.

That's me.

I'm responsible.

I say thank you because I was raised right, because my mom raised a good person.

And so when I say thank you, I expect someone to say you're welcome.

You fucking trash.

Like it feels so weird.

Yeah, I mean, I like he Gary, he carries her bag without even a word.

I'm gonna say right now, if that were Gino Jazzman would be struggling with her bag out.

Of the the fucking cottage.

Okay, he carries her bag without a word.

He puts it in the car, and then she says thank you to him, and like, I don't know in that moment, like it just wouldn't even matter, because like if I still had any kind of love for that person, like and we're in a like if we're in an obvious fight, like.

And I am like, I don't want to, I don't know.

It's just weird to me, it's just weird.

Also, you are the one literally like she's the one, She's the one.

The last night was like, I don't think you're my person.

He didn't say that first.

These are the things I just we're gonna end this.

These are the things that Kara said last night.

One question, have you really never fucking cheated on me ever in this relationship when it's obvious that she did.

And then also, I just don't think that we're You're my one, You're the one for me.

And then now we get the like thank you, thank you she is.

She is simultaneously devastated and insecure that he's somehow not like worshiping her or asking to be with her or like begging to be with her, and at the same time she is radiating guilt for having cheated on him.

It's so it's such a weird thing, you know.

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