Meeting created at: 10th Oct, 2025 - 11:30 AM1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:07,080 Case: From the point where Hal takes the name Titan but misspells it as Tighten, it is written out that way entirely. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,760 Case: Which I at no point realized. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:15,560 Jmike: I. I noticed that in the captions, I was like, I wonder if they actually do it in the captions. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:16,440 Jmike: I turn the captions on. 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,240 Jmike: I was like, yep, they misspell it there. 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:22,480 Case: I just assumed it was a one and done joke, but they do it the rest of the way. 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:23,120 Case: That's amazing. 8 00:00:51,500 --> 00:00:53,060 JD: Hey everyone, and welcome back to the. 9 00:00:53,060 --> 00:00:54,100 Case: Men of Steel podcast. 10 00:00:54,100 --> 00:00:57,800 Case: I'm Case Aiken, and as always, I'm joined by my co host, Jmike Folson. 11 00:00:58,190 --> 00:00:59,150 Jmike: Well, hey there everybody. 12 00:00:59,150 --> 00:01:00,430 Jmike: Welcome back to the show. 13 00:01:02,430 --> 00:01:03,950 Case: Welcome back indeed. 14 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:09,310 Case: Because can you believe it's been 15 years since today's episode topic came out. 15 00:01:10,590 --> 00:01:12,350 Jmike: You didn't have to say it like that though. 16 00:01:12,350 --> 00:01:18,270 Case: But you know, 15 years since the movie that we're talking about today came out. 17 00:01:18,350 --> 00:01:21,470 Case: Because today we are talking about Megamind. 18 00:01:22,030 --> 00:01:23,810 Case: And to have that conversation, we. 19 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:34,960 Case: We are joined once again by returning champion of maximum number of appearances on the show, despite a two year hiatus, J.D. 20 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:35,560 Case: martin. 21 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:38,520 JD: I'm back, baby. 22 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:39,919 JD: You can't get rid of me. 23 00:01:39,919 --> 00:01:40,680 JD: To add easily. 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,680 Case: JD it has been too long. 25 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:49,160 Case: We are so happy to have you back on and you have been trying to get us to do this episode for a while. 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,580 Case: And frankly, here's the reason why it hasn't happened yet. 27 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:54,980 Case: I hadn't seen it, which is. 28 00:01:56,100 --> 00:01:57,140 JD: It's so crazy. 29 00:01:57,620 --> 00:02:01,060 JD: Especially like, you're a father now. 30 00:02:02,020 --> 00:02:03,780 JD: It's the perfect time for you to watch it. 31 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:04,540 Case: I know. 32 00:02:04,540 --> 00:02:24,340 Case: And it's like super recommended on Netflix, which is like, kind of weird because like the Netflix kids demo is like Peppa Pig and like My Little Pony and then like Megamind, which is like not like, not for kids, but it is like slightly more mature as a. 33 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:26,580 Case: As a subject matter than the. 34 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:31,540 JD: It's not, it's not really for 5 year olds, it's for like 10 year olds. 35 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:33,060 Case: Yeah, exactly. 36 00:02:34,020 --> 00:02:36,020 JD: And that's not a knock on this movie because. 37 00:02:36,180 --> 00:02:38,420 JD: Because spoiler alert, this movie rules. 38 00:02:39,220 --> 00:02:40,700 Case: Yeah, I really like this movie. 39 00:02:40,700 --> 00:02:41,460 Case: I'm just gonna. 40 00:02:41,460 --> 00:02:52,680 Case: I'm gonna say that I. I have a couple of notes because this is a, like, this is a DreamWorks, like, animation movie. 41 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:56,760 Case: It has a couple of the hallmarks of those kind of movies. 42 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Case: But you know what? 43 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:04,320 Case: Aside from too many needle drops, there aren't giant complaints that I have about this movie. 44 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,040 JD: And I did forget about all the needle drops in this movie. 45 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,980 Case: There are so many needle drops in this movie, and it's not a big deal. 46 00:03:13,980 --> 00:03:15,220 Case: I don't hate this movie. 47 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:16,900 Case: I. I like this movie a lot. 48 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:17,860 Case: It's just. 49 00:03:17,860 --> 00:03:19,100 Case: I. I was like, oh, there's. 50 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:20,500 Case: There's a lot of needle drops. 51 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:25,620 Case: But, yeah, like, I mean, so again, I hadn't seen this movie. 52 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:27,500 Case: J. Mike, how about you? 53 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:28,820 Case: Had you seen this movie before? 54 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:34,620 Jmike: Yeah, I saw this movie many years ago, and I was like, oh, wow, this is a good refresher. 55 00:03:34,620 --> 00:03:38,440 Jmike: I had forgotten how much fun there was in this movie. 56 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,200 Jmike: I was like, oh, this is pretty cool. 57 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,240 Jmike: This is great. 58 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Jmike: We should watch it more often. 59 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Jmike: You want me to, like, explain it now, don't you? 60 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Case: We'll get around back to that. 61 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,120 Case: We're gonna do that thing, but we're gonna come around. 62 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:53,680 Jmike: It's okay. 63 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:53,960 Case: Yeah. 64 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,360 Case: No, J.D. 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,600 JD: So you want to do the thing, Case? 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:58,760 JD: I'll do the thing, Case. 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Case: Now, we'll have to, like, do the thing in a minute, but in the meantime, J.D. 68 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:04,040 Case: how about you? 69 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,440 Case: What was your experience of this movie? 70 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,640 JD: Oh, so I think I. 71 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:17,040 JD: The memory I have of watching it in its entirety for the first time, because it's one of those movies where you can definitely catch it on TV. 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,279 JD: And you'll catch it, like, you know, probably about 20 minutes in. 73 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:20,640 JD: You'll. 74 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,079 JD: You'll see part of it or whatever. 75 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:22,960 JD: But. 76 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:34,180 JD: But my distinct memory of watching it for the first time was I was like, I took, like, a week off of work to house sit for a family for, I think, my grandmother. 77 00:04:34,180 --> 00:04:40,740 JD: And my back, I don't know what happened, but my back was in so much pain. 78 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:53,460 JD: And I, like, slept on a heating pad or I just, I, I, at times I would just, like, I would put a pillow on the floor, put the heating pad on the floor, and just lay there, and I would just put whatever I could on. 79 00:04:53,780 --> 00:04:59,140 JD: And I remember I watched this and Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs for the first time, like, in the same day. 80 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:08,120 JD: And this is probably only like five years or so ago, but I remember watching and going, this. 81 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:27,480 JD: This is a lot better than I thought it would be, like, for like a superhero DreamWorks movie with Will Ferrell and Tina Fey and Jonah Hill and Brad Pitt, mind you. 82 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,600 JD: Yeah, yeah. 83 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:30,840 Case: That. 84 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:34,680 Case: That was the one that made my wife, like, turn over while I was watching it in bed. 85 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:35,640 Case: And she was like, is that. 86 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,599 JD: And he has, like, the most memeified line in the entire movie. 87 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,160 JD: Like, I love you, Metro Man. 88 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,880 JD: And I love you, too, Random Citizen. 89 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:50,600 Case: Meanwhile, the line that I. 90 00:05:50,600 --> 00:06:00,280 Case: We have to I wrote down, and we have to say is when Jonah Hill, as Hal goes, chicks don't like bouncy houses, they like clowns. 91 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,640 JD: And I'm sitting over here going like, going to write that down for the next date. 92 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:05,240 JD: Gotcha. 93 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:08,280 Case: Yeah. 94 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:18,040 Case: So J Mike alluded to this, and we're trying to do this thing on a more regular basis, which is J Mike, for the listeners at home who have not seen the movie Megamind. 95 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,880 Case: What is the movie Megamind? 96 00:06:21,210 --> 00:06:22,810 Jmike: How do I explain this properly? 97 00:06:23,210 --> 00:06:31,370 Jmike: I want to say take like the goofiest version of Superman you can and like twist it around, but basically. 98 00:06:31,450 --> 00:06:32,850 Jmike: Does he even have like a real name? 99 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:34,570 Jmike: I don't think he has a real name, but he's called Megamind. 100 00:06:34,650 --> 00:06:37,690 Jmike: Megamind comes from this dying planet of. 101 00:06:37,690 --> 00:06:38,890 Jmike: I forgot the name of it. 102 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:48,200 Jmike: But basically it's Krypton lands on Earth, but he lands in a prison yard while his arch nemesis lands in like the, the Wayne family household. 103 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,000 Jmike: They grew up in opposite ends of the spectrum. 104 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Jmike: Megamind gets taught by prison soldier or by prison inmates, whatever, and he learns the ropes from the ropes of evil from them. 105 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,400 Jmike: And Metro man grows up to be Superman. 106 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,200 Jmike: Megamind grows up to be a very bad Lex Luthor. 107 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,640 Jmike: Not in bad, like he's evil, just like he's like the worst, the absolute worst super villain ever. 108 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,380 Jmike: He loses at everything, but he has fun while he's doing it. 109 00:07:15,380 --> 00:07:17,340 Jmike: And so like, one day he comes up with a. 110 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:24,740 Jmike: An invention, slash ne' er do well plan where he actually quote, unquote kills Metro Man. 111 00:07:24,820 --> 00:07:28,060 Jmike: And then he gets his wish of being like the number one villain. 112 00:07:28,060 --> 00:07:33,780 Jmike: And then he figures out that without Metro man, life kind of sucks because he doesn't have anything else to do. 113 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:47,430 Jmike: So he tries to, you know, create his own arch nemesis, which turns out to be very bad because he picked like the absolute worst person that you could ever have to be a hero in Jonah Hill's character. 114 00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:49,670 Jmike: And it just goes all downhill from there. 115 00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:52,230 Jmike: But in the end, he learns that by the power of friend. 116 00:07:52,230 --> 00:07:52,870 Jmike: I'm kidding. 117 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:55,350 Jmike: By the power of friendship. 118 00:07:55,510 --> 00:07:57,590 Jmike: But, you know, it's not what you do. 119 00:07:57,590 --> 00:07:58,870 Jmike: It's like, it's. 120 00:07:58,870 --> 00:08:02,870 Jmike: It's what you do with what you're given that makes you a hero in the end. 121 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:10,230 Case: Yeah, so the one thing I just want to hit home is that by the end of the movie, he has. 122 00:08:10,550 --> 00:08:14,770 Case: Megamind has reformed and taken on the role of the hero of the story. 123 00:08:15,010 --> 00:08:17,410 Case: At this point, just wanted to make that part clear. 124 00:08:18,370 --> 00:08:20,050 JD: Saves the day, saves the city. 125 00:08:20,050 --> 00:08:22,530 JD: Gets the girl, does all the things. 126 00:08:23,250 --> 00:08:24,610 Case: Yes, does all the things. 127 00:08:25,010 --> 00:08:31,250 Case: Like obviously this is a good thing for us to discuss because Metro man is just Superman. 128 00:08:31,890 --> 00:08:34,370 Case: Like he's an alien from another world. 129 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:38,850 Case: He crash lands at the Wayne Manor instead of a Kent farm situation. 130 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Case: But he is a just dead on Superman analog right down to the heat vision and the implied weakness to copper. 131 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:49,480 Case: God. 132 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,560 JD: Which we'll get turned. 133 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:58,280 JD: Which, you know, I'm assuming we're going to do a sport into spoilers on a 15 year old movie that most people have seen. 134 00:08:58,920 --> 00:08:59,600 Jmike: Oh yeah. 135 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,960 Case: Like at this point now you should consider we have gone as far as we can go without going deep into spoiler territory. 136 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:07,970 Case: We're going to go into spoiler territory now. 137 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:08,730 JD: Yeah. 138 00:09:08,730 --> 00:09:14,690 JD: So it turns out that he's not like he like copper is not his weakness, he's just like. 139 00:09:14,690 --> 00:09:15,890 JD: I made that up on the spot. 140 00:09:17,330 --> 00:09:17,970 JD: Yep. 141 00:09:18,130 --> 00:09:19,570 Case: Because he didn't actually die. 142 00:09:20,050 --> 00:09:20,810 Jmike: Oh my God. 143 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:33,250 JD: I gotta, so I gotta say though, the way they reveal that copper isn't his weakness by like Megamind trying to trap, how like trying to trap Titan in like the ball made of copper. 144 00:09:33,700 --> 00:09:35,060 JD: And he's like, yes. 145 00:09:35,060 --> 00:09:37,540 JD: I finally figured, oh crap, he's punching through it. 146 00:09:37,540 --> 00:09:38,740 JD: Wait, how does that work? 147 00:09:38,820 --> 00:09:40,180 JD: What, what's going on here? 148 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:46,820 JD: And like that very nice visual way to have that reveal happen. 149 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:48,060 JD: Yeah. 150 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:51,300 Case: And Titan at that point says, stop comparing me to Metro Man. 151 00:09:51,540 --> 00:09:59,460 Case: Which sure, his powers are derived from Metro man, but it is possible that they're not the same as Metro Man's like 100%. 152 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,760 Case: You know, it could be a Con El Superboy situation with slightly different powers. 153 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,840 Case: And as a result, like, yeah, sure, he might not have the same weakness, he's not actually from that planet after all. 154 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Case: But it does put the Seed in your head. 155 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:24,200 Case: So that when we go to the next scene and they like go to the Metro Man's base where we find out that he's actually been alive and is now Music man, he didn't want. 156 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,080 JD: To change the logo. 157 00:10:27,870 --> 00:10:30,110 Jmike: You keep the logo going, you're like what the heck? 158 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:30,670 JD: God, he was. 159 00:10:30,670 --> 00:10:31,550 JD: And he was so bad. 160 00:10:31,550 --> 00:10:32,590 JD: He was so bad. 161 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:33,390 Case: Yes. 162 00:10:33,790 --> 00:10:35,870 JD: Yeah, no, that was pretty great. 163 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:40,750 JD: I think probably like just because like I, I, I'm, I'm a sappy human being. 164 00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:47,230 JD: I think one of my favorite parts of this movie is the slow burn romance between Megamind and Roxanne. 165 00:10:47,950 --> 00:10:49,070 Case: I really like that. 166 00:10:49,070 --> 00:10:54,800 Case: I, I, I want to talk about Roxanne for a minute because I thought she was great as the Lois Lane type character. 167 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:55,920 JD: Yes. 168 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,800 JD: Yeah, I like, like having her do like, I, like, she's, she's a fun newscaster. 169 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,200 JD: She, like, she has like a great presence. 170 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,240 JD: She's got the Karen haircut, but makes it work. 171 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,640 JD: Tina Fey does a great job in the role. 172 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:17,120 Case: Tina Fey, honestly would be a good casting choice for a Lois Lane, frankly, like, if you were doing an SNL cast for Superman. 173 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,040 JD: Like I was about to say Tina Fey. 174 00:11:19,770 --> 00:11:20,090 Case: Yeah. 175 00:11:20,090 --> 00:11:30,730 JD: Like, I'm imagining now, like I would say, I feel like mid 2000s, Tina Fey on SNL would have done a great, like, do us like, do a Superman sketch and have Tina Fey as Lois. 176 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:32,730 Jmike: That would actually work pretty good. 177 00:11:32,970 --> 00:11:33,450 Case: Yeah. 178 00:11:33,450 --> 00:11:39,450 Case: Like, I, I had never actually fan casted her that way, but it makes a lot of sense. 179 00:11:39,770 --> 00:11:40,330 JD: It works. 180 00:11:40,330 --> 00:11:42,890 JD: Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm now remembering. 181 00:11:43,130 --> 00:11:46,010 JD: Do y' all remember the movie she and Paul Rudd did, Admission? 182 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:47,460 Jmike: I never saw that. 183 00:11:47,460 --> 00:11:48,620 Case: I don't. 184 00:11:49,500 --> 00:11:56,660 JD: It's, it's one of those, like, nice little, like small little, like rom coms about like. 185 00:11:56,660 --> 00:12:00,940 JD: I think she plays like, like a college admissions official. 186 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:07,940 JD: And Paul Rudd is this guy who I think he fosters kids and he's trying to get. 187 00:12:07,940 --> 00:12:10,540 Case: Okay, I remember the poster now that I teach. 188 00:12:10,540 --> 00:12:10,980 JD: Yes. 189 00:12:10,980 --> 00:12:21,790 JD: I think he's a teacher and like, he's trying to get her to, he's trying to get like, her to, like, admit like, one of his, like, brighter students into like a college program. 190 00:12:21,870 --> 00:12:22,710 JD: But he doesn't. 191 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:25,750 JD: But he comes from, like, he comes from poverty and all. 192 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:34,270 JD: And, and so like, there's like a barrier there and then there's, of course the whole plot of the two of them are going to fall in love with each other, because that's how this movie works. 193 00:12:35,310 --> 00:12:35,990 JD: Might be worth it. 194 00:12:35,990 --> 00:12:40,970 JD: What I'm saying is I like rom coms and, and Megamind provided me a little rom com in this movie. 195 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:43,600 Case: It does. 196 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:50,160 Case: I really enjoy the Bernard role that he plays in this whole thing. 197 00:12:53,040 --> 00:13:01,160 JD: I also love Will Ferrell as Megamind, like, saying the name Bernard the same way that Bernard, the real Bernard says it. 198 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,560 JD: Like, Bernard. 199 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:09,490 JD: Yeah, like, trying to figure out, like, does this feel right? 200 00:13:09,490 --> 00:13:10,730 JD: Yeah, sure, we'll go. 201 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:11,370 JD: Yeah, sure. 202 00:13:11,370 --> 00:13:12,490 JD: It feels right in the mouth. 203 00:13:13,050 --> 00:13:13,530 Case: Yeah. 204 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:17,770 Case: So one of the notes I have in general is the cast is great in this movie. 205 00:13:17,930 --> 00:13:25,210 Case: Like, Tina Fey as Roxanne Richie is amazing, but like, Will Ferrell as Megamind is shockingly good. 206 00:13:25,210 --> 00:13:35,930 Case: Like, I like Will Ferrell a lot but like the, the choice to mispronounce things and, like, put the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable is fantastic. 207 00:13:36,930 --> 00:13:42,810 JD: Yeah, it, like, it's like I, I, I, I, like, I, I kind of want to. 208 00:13:42,810 --> 00:13:43,530 JD: I kind of want to. 209 00:13:43,530 --> 00:13:51,730 JD: Like, I feel like that is also a direct link to his childhood and that he grew up in a prison. 210 00:13:51,730 --> 00:13:52,369 JD: In prison. 211 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:53,250 JD: In a prison. 212 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:57,650 JD: And, and who does the government arrest all the time? 213 00:13:59,170 --> 00:14:03,290 JD: You know, poor people who don't have, who don't have great education. 214 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:16,650 JD: So that's like, it feeds back into the fact that he was, you know, raised in a system that is broken and. 215 00:14:17,530 --> 00:14:18,090 Case: Yes. 216 00:14:18,329 --> 00:14:21,610 JD: And, and, and he, and mix. 217 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:33,140 JD: And it's like, it makes sense that he just becomes a villain because it's like he is like he grew up around people who went against the system, and now he himself is going up against the system. 218 00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:37,060 Case: Yeah, I mean, like, it's a very extreme scenario. 219 00:14:37,060 --> 00:14:42,300 Case: Like, the character is literally brought up inside a prison, Bane style, if you will. 220 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:42,740 Case: Yeah. 221 00:14:43,220 --> 00:14:54,980 Case: For comics fans, but you know, where like, they, the flashcards that they teach him are like, burglar bad cop good, or, pardon me, burglar good, cop bad, and things like that. 222 00:14:55,740 --> 00:15:07,100 Case: So, like, but yes, I, I agree that, like, the point that, like, the system is like, he was set up to fail from the beginning, and the fact that he becomes the hero by the very end is just such blind luck. 223 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:08,300 Case: Or not blind luck. 224 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:11,980 Case: Like, it's his effort, but him, like, capitalizing on the moment. 225 00:15:12,220 --> 00:15:12,700 Case: Yeah. 226 00:15:12,700 --> 00:15:17,100 Case: After, after being in such a bad situation for so much of his life. 227 00:15:17,340 --> 00:15:20,140 Case: You know, we open the movie with him in prison yet again. 228 00:15:20,780 --> 00:15:21,260 JD: Yeah. 229 00:15:22,220 --> 00:15:24,780 Case: Or rather we open the movie in media res with him falling to his death. 230 00:15:24,780 --> 00:15:25,060 Case: Yeah. 231 00:15:25,060 --> 00:15:33,820 Case: But we, the, we flashback after the, you know, the montage of his growing up to him in prison yet again. 232 00:15:34,060 --> 00:15:34,540 JD: Yes. 233 00:15:34,620 --> 00:15:36,940 JD: With warden played by J.K. simmons. 234 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:38,220 Case: Yes. 235 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:38,700 JD: Yes. 236 00:15:39,260 --> 00:15:40,300 Case: Amazing cast. 237 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:42,900 JD: Yeah, it's, it's kind of crazy. 238 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,580 JD: Just like, you like the actors that pop up. 239 00:15:45,580 --> 00:15:50,590 JD: I actually, I need to look up who played like, the actual Bernard, because we only get. 240 00:15:50,590 --> 00:15:51,750 Jmike: Oh, that was Ben Stiller. 241 00:15:52,310 --> 00:15:53,190 JD: It's been still. 242 00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:55,990 Case: Oh, yeah, it is. 243 00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:56,470 JD: Yeah. 244 00:15:56,550 --> 00:15:57,550 JD: That makes a lot of sense. 245 00:15:57,550 --> 00:15:59,990 JD: I mean, he was a producer on this, so that makes a lot of sense. 246 00:16:00,550 --> 00:16:02,230 Jmike: Yeah, I was like, that's Ben still. 247 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:03,630 JD: I love. 248 00:16:03,630 --> 00:16:04,790 JD: God, I love Ben Stiller. 249 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:05,430 JD: He's so fun. 250 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:07,830 JD: Yeah, no, that makes a lot of sense. 251 00:16:07,910 --> 00:16:08,390 JD: Yeah. 252 00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:11,710 JD: And also, like, you know, going through the cast. 253 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:12,430 JD: I also want to talk. 254 00:16:12,430 --> 00:16:17,540 JD: I also want to bring up the music by Hans Zimmer and Lauren Balfe. 255 00:16:17,700 --> 00:16:18,180 JD: Go ahead. 256 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:18,740 JD: Yes. 257 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:26,900 Case: But I let's finish up cast talk before we move on to music because the music is great, but that feeds into a thing I want to talk about after that. 258 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:29,300 JD: Yeah, yeah. 259 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:30,860 Case: So I will say this. 260 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:32,020 Case: Jonah Hill as Hal. 261 00:16:32,420 --> 00:16:43,620 Case: I love so many parts of this because he is kind of like the most fucked up, perverted distaff or not distaff, fucked up, perverted, like twisted version of a Jimmy Olsen that you could imagine. 262 00:16:44,450 --> 00:16:46,850 Case: Like, he's the cameraman, he's the, he's a ginger. 263 00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:53,330 Case: You know, he's all set up to be like the other best friend after the girlfriend. 264 00:16:53,730 --> 00:17:08,849 Case: And then, you know, his, you know, his fetishing or fetishization of Roxanne Richie and you know, just his being a terrible person make the situation when he gets superpowers so much worse. 265 00:17:10,618 --> 00:17:22,179 JD: Yeah, he, yeah, no, he's, he's absolutely awful because he, he, he is like the, like before he gets superpowers when he's just regular how. 266 00:17:22,179 --> 00:17:30,219 JD: Like he is kind of the worst tropes of like the quote of the nice guy. 267 00:17:30,939 --> 00:17:37,800 JD: And it reminds me, I'm trying to remember what, like I forget what character I'm thinking of now. 268 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,200 JD: But like whenever, like he gets the powers that like it basically just. 269 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:47,880 JD: Or it's like in Captain America, the first Avenger, when Earth sky and talks about like when you get the serum. 270 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,320 JD: Like, you know, good becomes great, bad becomes worse. 271 00:17:50,879 --> 00:18:01,390 JD: And, and that's what happens with Hal is that he gets that taste of the power and he just goes downhill and. 272 00:18:01,870 --> 00:18:04,590 Case: Yeah, I mean he becomes a full on supervillain by the end. 273 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:07,710 JD: Yeah, he goes full Jonah downhill. 274 00:18:10,510 --> 00:18:14,030 JD: I've been hanging around my boss too much who makes dad jokes. 275 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:19,310 Case: The only one that is a little weird is Brad Pitt as Metro man for me. 276 00:18:20,910 --> 00:18:21,550 Case: What are you. 277 00:18:24,590 --> 00:18:27,390 Case: I guess what I'm getting at is that Brad Pitt is not a voice actor. 278 00:18:28,030 --> 00:18:30,750 Case: And like his voice is very recognizable. 279 00:18:30,750 --> 00:18:33,710 Case: But I don't think of him as Superman when I hear his voice. 280 00:18:34,190 --> 00:18:39,630 JD: But also he does it like you can tell it's Brad Pitt when you hear him. 281 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:44,590 JD: But it more sounds like this is Brad Pitt putting on a voice. 282 00:18:45,150 --> 00:18:49,670 JD: Like this is not him just doing his normal, like, yeah, I'm cool. 283 00:18:49,670 --> 00:18:51,830 JD: Like I'm cool. 284 00:18:51,830 --> 00:18:52,430 JD: Brad Pitt. 285 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:54,670 JD: I play Rusty Ryan and in Oceans. 286 00:18:54,670 --> 00:18:55,700 JD: In the Oceans movie. 287 00:18:56,170 --> 00:18:58,850 JD: This is like, I'm Brad Pitt putting. 288 00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:59,450 JD: Putting on a. 289 00:18:59,450 --> 00:19:00,210 JD: Putting on a voice. 290 00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:01,650 Case: Like, yeah, no, he's. 291 00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:02,570 Case: He's doing a job. 292 00:19:02,570 --> 00:19:11,370 Case: Like, I'm not saying he's not acting, but it's just that Brad Pitt is just not the character, like, not the actor I would choose to play the part. 293 00:19:11,850 --> 00:19:15,050 Case: God, what I would give for Brian Blessed to be in this role. 294 00:19:15,930 --> 00:19:17,250 JD: Why do I recognize that name? 295 00:19:17,250 --> 00:19:18,810 Jmike: He did a pretty good job. 296 00:19:19,450 --> 00:19:21,450 Case: Brian Blessed is a voice actor. 297 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:22,140 JD: He. 298 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:26,460 Case: He is still working because he's currently on Peppa Pig as Grampy Rabbit. 299 00:19:26,700 --> 00:19:28,540 Case: But he is best known for. 300 00:19:28,620 --> 00:19:29,980 JD: Well, I do know. 301 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:31,820 Case: Yeah. 302 00:19:31,820 --> 00:19:32,140 JD: Y. 303 00:19:32,220 --> 00:19:33,580 Case: He was in Flash Gordon. 304 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:36,460 Case: He was the voice actor for Clayton and Tarzan. 305 00:19:36,860 --> 00:19:38,380 Case: Just big booming voice. 306 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:38,940 Case: Yeah. 307 00:19:39,180 --> 00:19:39,900 JD: Oh, yes. 308 00:19:39,900 --> 00:19:40,540 JD: And he was in. 309 00:19:40,540 --> 00:19:41,740 JD: He was in Phantom Menace. 310 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:42,980 Case: Oh, yeah, you're right. 311 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:43,740 Case: He was boss ass. 312 00:19:44,060 --> 00:19:52,230 Case: So big, booming voice would be just be kind of fun for Metro, but honestly, more like a Jon Hamm or something like that would be like more in the speed of. 313 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:55,390 Case: I feel like this character. 314 00:19:55,390 --> 00:19:58,710 Case: I don't know, it's just like the Brad Pittness is distracting to me. 315 00:19:58,710 --> 00:20:10,390 Case: And Brad Pitt doesn't read as Superman, even though he's like, incredible shape and like, you know, casting wise, would make sense to cast in the part if this was live action. 316 00:20:10,790 --> 00:20:11,790 JD: Yeah, he. 317 00:20:11,790 --> 00:20:12,310 JD: This is. 318 00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:19,070 JD: That's like, that's like a very like mid-90s casting choice of like, let's get Brad Pitt to play Superman. 319 00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:21,510 Case: Yes. 320 00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:21,950 Case: Yes. 321 00:20:22,270 --> 00:20:22,670 Case: Yeah. 322 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:23,390 Case: 100%. 323 00:20:23,630 --> 00:20:30,830 JD: Like, it's like he was like, he was good interview with the Vampire and like, let's, let's make him Superman. 324 00:20:31,790 --> 00:20:32,870 Case: Legends of the Falls. 325 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:33,470 Case: Brad Pitt. 326 00:20:33,550 --> 00:20:34,750 Case: Of course, he could be Superman. 327 00:20:35,630 --> 00:20:36,190 JD: Yeah. 328 00:20:38,030 --> 00:20:39,310 Case: A River Runs Through It. 329 00:20:39,310 --> 00:20:40,110 Case: Brad Pitt. 330 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:44,630 JD: Deep tech thumb on Luis Brad Pitt. 331 00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:45,110 JD: Yeah. 332 00:20:46,310 --> 00:20:49,350 JD: Well, I will say quick side note, if. 333 00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:54,070 JD: If any actor from the 90s was supposed to play Superman in the 90s, it was Brendan Fraser. 334 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:56,230 Case: Yes. 335 00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:57,990 Case: Yeah. 336 00:20:59,110 --> 00:21:03,030 JD: With either Parker Posey or Courtney Cox as his Lois Lane. 337 00:21:03,670 --> 00:21:04,710 Case: Ooh, yeah. 338 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:05,990 Case: Either one would be great. 339 00:21:07,810 --> 00:21:08,050 JD: I'm. 340 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:08,410 JD: I've. 341 00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:09,850 JD: Like, I. I wasn't. 342 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:12,410 JD: I. I never thought of Parker Posey as. 343 00:21:12,410 --> 00:21:13,570 JD: As Lois Lane until. 344 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:15,010 JD: Oh, gosh. 345 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:16,770 JD: Who was it below Freezing? 346 00:21:16,930 --> 00:21:17,650 JD: I can't remember. 347 00:21:17,650 --> 00:21:18,450 JD: Oh, my gosh. 348 00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:22,010 Case: CJ and Micah or one of their guests. 349 00:21:22,010 --> 00:21:22,249 JD: Yes. 350 00:21:22,249 --> 00:21:22,610 JD: Cj. 351 00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:22,890 JD: Yeah. 352 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:23,090 JD: See? 353 00:21:23,090 --> 00:21:23,370 JD: Yes. 354 00:21:23,370 --> 00:21:23,690 Case: I don't know. 355 00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:24,010 JD: It was like. 356 00:21:24,010 --> 00:21:25,450 JD: I am blanking on his name right now. 357 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:32,010 JD: Cj, CJ brought it up when I was on Below Freezing years ago, like, because I was like, yeah, like this and that. 358 00:21:32,010 --> 00:21:33,300 JD: And he's like, Parker Posey. 359 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:34,180 JD: And I'm like, shit. 360 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:34,860 JD: No, you're right. 361 00:21:34,860 --> 00:21:36,300 JD: Parker Posey would have been perfect. 362 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:37,180 JD: Yep. 363 00:21:37,180 --> 00:21:37,500 Case: Okay. 364 00:21:37,500 --> 00:21:39,420 Case: So you wanted to talk about music and. 365 00:21:39,740 --> 00:21:40,940 JD: Yes, I want to talk about music. 366 00:21:42,140 --> 00:21:44,500 Case: And I want to pull that pin because I agree. 367 00:21:44,500 --> 00:21:46,220 Case: I think the music is really good in this. 368 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:47,740 JD: Yeah. 369 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:49,019 JD: Hans Zimmer, who is. 370 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:50,980 JD: Who like at he. 371 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:55,980 JD: He at this point is just like the DreamWorks go to because he's done all the mad. 372 00:21:55,980 --> 00:21:57,580 JD: All the Madagascar movies. 373 00:21:57,980 --> 00:22:00,640 JD: He does the Boss baby movies because. 374 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,480 JD: Because why not? 375 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,640 JD: So he's like their go to guy, but it's him and Lauren Balfe, who's, you know, been doing great work on his. 376 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:13,320 JD: In his own right, like in the past few years, like doing Mission Impossible, Fallout and Black Widow and. 377 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,160 JD: And a lot of good stuff. 378 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:16,320 JD: So I. I love that. 379 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:24,520 JD: I love, like, the fairly, like, simple classic superhero movie score for this. 380 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,270 JD: And then there are also the needle drops, in which I forgot how many there were in this movie. 381 00:22:30,430 --> 00:22:30,750 Case: Right. 382 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:33,950 Case: There's so goddamn many needle drops in this movie. 383 00:22:34,830 --> 00:22:36,950 JD: Like, we get like, we get highway to Hell. 384 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:38,830 JD: We get welcome to the Jungle. 385 00:22:39,070 --> 00:22:40,750 JD: We close out the movie with Bad. 386 00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:41,510 JD: And. 387 00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:43,390 JD: And there are more that I'm not thinking of. 388 00:22:43,790 --> 00:22:47,390 Case: Let's see if Wikipedia has the soundtrack info. 389 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:49,070 Case: It's his own page. 390 00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:50,190 Case: It's its own page. 391 00:22:53,140 --> 00:22:54,900 JD: Well, I have to assume that there's. 392 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:57,780 JD: There's the score listing and then there's also the soundtrack. 393 00:22:59,380 --> 00:23:03,700 Case: So I'm just looking at the things that are needle drops on the soundtrack. 394 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:04,980 Case: And there's Bad to the Bone. 395 00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:07,860 Case: A little less conversation. 396 00:23:09,060 --> 00:23:09,740 JD: Oh, my God. 397 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:10,100 JD: Yeah. 398 00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:13,300 Case: Loving you more than once. 399 00:23:16,340 --> 00:23:17,140 Case: Back in Black. 400 00:23:17,140 --> 00:23:18,740 Case: Highway to Hell, Crazy Train. 401 00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:19,830 Case: Oh, yeah. 402 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:24,710 Case: And the Crazy train is like, weirdly short, but then David Cross, like, finishes it, which is effectively used. 403 00:23:24,790 --> 00:23:25,750 Case: Welcome to the Jungle. 404 00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:28,630 Case: Bad Come as you are by Nirvana is also referenced. 405 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:29,390 Case: Oh, never mind. 406 00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:30,790 Case: It's just the line that he references. 407 00:23:30,790 --> 00:23:31,270 Case: Sorry. 408 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:31,830 JD: Yeah. 409 00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:35,429 Case: So quite a few is what we're getting at here. 410 00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:36,030 JD: Yeah. 411 00:23:36,030 --> 00:23:37,110 JD: Oh, gosh, it's. 412 00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:39,350 Case: And they're not individually bad. 413 00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:48,650 Case: It's just that it's the situation of, like, this is that era of animated comedy just being overloaded with. 414 00:23:48,650 --> 00:23:50,810 Case: With these kinds of beetle drops on purpose. 415 00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:51,930 JD: Yeah. 416 00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:52,410 JD: And. 417 00:23:52,410 --> 00:23:53,810 JD: And like, this is also, like. 418 00:23:53,810 --> 00:23:55,250 JD: We're also talking about DreamWorks here. 419 00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:55,610 JD: Dream. 420 00:23:55,610 --> 00:23:59,130 JD: Like DreamWorks really started this with Shrek. 421 00:23:59,530 --> 00:24:02,930 JD: Like, Shrek had so, like, had tons of needle drops. 422 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:11,770 JD: Whether it's all star or why can't I know Bad reputations in that one the monkey song that Smash Mouth covers at the end. 423 00:24:11,770 --> 00:24:12,570 JD: I'm a believer. 424 00:24:12,570 --> 00:24:14,850 JD: Like, yeah, like DreamWorks started. 425 00:24:15,010 --> 00:24:25,890 JD: Started the train of animated movies that can work for all ages, but are mostly directed at 10 year olds and have like at. 426 00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:29,890 JD: And are going to have at minimum five needle drops throughout the movie. 427 00:24:30,530 --> 00:24:31,010 Case: Yeah. 428 00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:33,330 Case: And characters singing along to it at various points. 429 00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:36,690 Case: Which brings up the fact that we forgot to talk about Minion. 430 00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:37,370 JD: Oh my God. 431 00:24:37,370 --> 00:24:39,900 JD: Minion is Minion. 432 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:40,980 Case: He's so fun. 433 00:24:40,980 --> 00:24:47,660 Case: He's a great character in this certainly like a wonderful like sidekick to Megamind throughout this whole thing. 434 00:24:48,300 --> 00:24:57,780 JD: He's kind of like, I would almost call him like a combination of like Krypto and Otis from, from 78. 435 00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:58,260 JD: Superman. 436 00:24:58,260 --> 00:25:00,380 JD: Yeah, he's kind of like a combination of the two. 437 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:01,580 Case: Yeah. 438 00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:09,980 Case: Like it's the pet sent by the parents, but at the same time it's this bumbling sidekick who apparently is fairly successful a lot of the times. 439 00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:13,340 Case: Just is not, you know, recognized for it, able to. 440 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:14,820 Case: Well, not. 441 00:25:14,820 --> 00:25:17,980 Case: Neither recognized for it and not able to stick the landing ever. 442 00:25:18,940 --> 00:25:19,660 JD: Yeah, no. 443 00:25:19,660 --> 00:25:23,820 JD: And, and also trying to keep Megamind on the track of like, you're a villain. 444 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:26,180 JD: You're supposed to be like, this is how what you're supposed to be doing. 445 00:25:26,180 --> 00:25:29,100 JD: Megamind's like, yeah, but what if I wasn't. 446 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:30,660 JD: What if I got to fall in love with the. 447 00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:30,900 Jmike: What. 448 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:31,820 JD: What if I got the girl? 449 00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:32,340 JD: What if I. 450 00:25:32,340 --> 00:25:36,300 JD: What if I not don't do that forever and I just got to be normal? 451 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:41,100 Jmike: He's also, he was also the one that told him not to go with Titan too. 452 00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:42,420 Jmike: He saw that coming a mile away. 453 00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:44,020 JD: Oh yeah. 454 00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:45,700 JD: He's just like, are you sure about this? 455 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:47,780 JD: And he's like, dad, no, it's going to be totally fine. 456 00:25:47,860 --> 00:25:53,540 JD: And then turns into like Liberace if he was voiced by Marlon Brando. 457 00:25:55,380 --> 00:25:55,780 Jmike: Right. 458 00:25:57,460 --> 00:25:59,060 JD: I love Space dad so much. 459 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,160 Case: The Space dad sequence is fantastic in this. 460 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:04,960 Case: Yeah. 461 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:11,520 Case: And Space Stepmom, like just Minion boost me. 462 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:11,840 JD: Like. 463 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:12,320 JD: Yeah. 464 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,679 JD: I'm throwing on a wig and an apron and I am now Space Stepmom. 465 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:16,680 JD: Yeah. 466 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Case: This, this movie has a really good like joke per page rate to it. 467 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:22,960 JD: Oh yeah. 468 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Case: It's written like a sitcom in that way. 469 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,240 Case: Like it makes me think of. 470 00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:31,830 Case: I've listened to the Simpson writers talk about the required number of jokes per page. 471 00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:34,950 Case: I'm like, yeah, no, it's very dense in that regard. 472 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:42,390 JD: Every time the Simpsons gets referenced, I always think of the joke and limit of Troy and was like Rocky V. That was the fifth one. 473 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:50,310 Case: But the thing I wanted to pivot from Rocky V. Yes. 474 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:58,260 Case: The thing I wanted to pivot from off the music though is the fight choreography is shockingly good in this. 475 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:00,420 JD: Yeah, so good. 476 00:27:00,580 --> 00:27:05,300 JD: It's, it's like the. 477 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:11,540 JD: And actually once again dreamworks here because I have argued forever. 478 00:27:11,540 --> 00:27:22,150 JD: I, I have not seen the fourth movie, but the Kung Fu Panda trilogy has some of the best fight choreography in film history. 479 00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:24,310 JD: Not just animation film history. 480 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:35,590 JD: The Kung Fu Panda trilogy get done and Megamind, while not on that level, is far better than it should be. 481 00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:37,590 Jmike: No, I haven't watched Kung Fu Panda. 482 00:27:38,550 --> 00:27:48,520 Case: Well, yeah, and it makes sense that the franchise that's like based on doing kung fu, you know, a parody of kung fu movies is going to have the better fight choreography. 483 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,760 Case: But this is doing some really good things. 484 00:27:50,760 --> 00:28:01,800 Case: And like the camera work just like while like Metro man is like flying around, I'm like, oh, that's really complicated camera work that is very difficult to do if you're trying to do a real person. 485 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:11,800 Case: You know, if this was they get away with it because it's animated doing very complicated camera moves, especially around the flying. 486 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,400 Case: And that is really effective. 487 00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:15,050 JD: Yes, absolutely. 488 00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:27,410 JD: Like I would say probably the only live action movie to rival it's like flight fight choreography since is probably James Gunn Superman. 489 00:28:27,410 --> 00:28:28,170 JD: Like James Gunn. 490 00:28:28,170 --> 00:28:41,150 JD: James Gunn like really nailed it in terms of fight choreography in the air and, and, and which is one, one of the many reasons I love that movie. 491 00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:43,300 JD: But yeah, Megamind just. 492 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:45,860 JD: Just absolutely nails it. 493 00:28:45,860 --> 00:28:52,180 JD: And also the fact that I kind, I've gotten really tired of. 494 00:28:52,340 --> 00:29:07,870 JD: You know, as much as I love the mcu, like I, I do get kind of tired or I did get tired of like the like impossible camera moves that felt very removed from the fight and we're just like, we're following along, but it doesn't like, it doesn't. 495 00:29:07,870 --> 00:29:09,310 JD: I don't feel the impact there. 496 00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:24,630 JD: And, and yet in animated movie that is meant for kids that has no blood in it whatsoever and like no, you know, like flying teeth or broken bones or anything like that. 497 00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:29,470 JD: I feel the impact of the choreography in this movie. 498 00:29:30,270 --> 00:29:31,790 Case: Yeah, yeah. 499 00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:35,300 Case: Like I said, the, the fighter art diffuse just is really good. 500 00:29:35,300 --> 00:29:38,420 Case: The, the, like as you were saying, the hits really work. 501 00:29:38,660 --> 00:29:41,300 Case: I really like the use of the heat vision in this. 502 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:46,260 Case: Like I, I thought that it was used very effectively as a very scary weapon. 503 00:29:46,340 --> 00:29:57,060 Case: Like Titan is terrifying when he uses it on anything, especially like the dummy when he's like training how to fight and you get the first like five that's like, oh, he might be kind of fucked up in the head. 504 00:29:57,380 --> 00:29:58,580 Jmike: He might be a little crazy. 505 00:29:59,230 --> 00:30:01,270 JD: Yeah, he's like, he might be a little unhinged. 506 00:30:01,270 --> 00:30:09,750 JD: And then like carving Titanville misspelled into the city is just like, that is honestly, that's some Homelander. 507 00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:11,870 Jmike: Oh yeah, that's Homelander right there. 508 00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:15,510 JD: It's like, hey kids. 509 00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:17,470 JD: Like, hey kids, you like Homelander? 510 00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:18,590 JD: No, you're not getting Homelander. 511 00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:19,030 JD: You're too young. 512 00:30:19,030 --> 00:30:20,430 JD: But you're gonna get Homelander for kids. 513 00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:22,030 JD: That was my only thought in this movie. 514 00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:26,630 JD: I was like, that's like Titan is basically Homelander for Homelander before Homelander. 515 00:30:27,030 --> 00:30:27,390 Case: Yeah. 516 00:30:27,390 --> 00:30:29,990 Case: So why don't we talk about the plot of this movie? 517 00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:35,030 Case: So, and not like what are the beats that happen? 518 00:30:35,030 --> 00:30:36,910 Case: Because J Mike, you covered that very well. 519 00:30:36,910 --> 00:30:41,070 Case: But I mean like the actual like the story structure, like does this work for you guys? 520 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:45,110 Case: Like the idea of the Superman character quitting? 521 00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:47,350 Jmike: Well, he didn't quit, Case. 522 00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:47,790 Jmike: Remember? 523 00:30:47,790 --> 00:30:48,470 Jmike: He didn't quit. 524 00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:49,750 Case: He faking his death. 525 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:51,680 Jmike: Bunch of self help books. 526 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,080 Jmike: And he was like, everyone here has a choice to be what they want to be. 527 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,480 Jmike: And I never got that choice. 528 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,680 Jmike: So now I'm just going, you know, do my own thing and become Music man and be right. 529 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,800 Case: Okay, Very bad. 530 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:10,480 Case: Taking his own death and then he quit, then going off and doing his own thing and then letting the villain run wild. 531 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,680 Case: And then we get this whole romance story. 532 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,760 Case: Like are these effective beats? 533 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:27,060 Case: I think this is a very like tight story in terms of like setting up a villain who has to like face the fact that he's now forced to become the hero because he creates an even worse villain. 534 00:31:27,940 --> 00:31:34,660 Jmike: Maybe that was part of his plan the entire time, you know, maybe that was part of Metro Man's plan the entire time. 535 00:31:34,660 --> 00:31:36,860 JD: You know, he's not that smart. 536 00:31:36,860 --> 00:31:37,420 JD: J Mike. 537 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:38,260 JD: He's not that smart. 538 00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:39,780 JD: Metro man is not that smart. 539 00:31:40,500 --> 00:31:41,180 JD: No, that he's. 540 00:31:41,180 --> 00:31:42,900 JD: No, no, he was. 541 00:31:43,380 --> 00:31:44,540 Jmike: We all know that he isn't. 542 00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:46,820 Jmike: I mean, you know, he could be, he could be. 543 00:31:46,820 --> 00:31:48,100 Jmike: He just never given the city. 544 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:48,820 JD: Huh? 545 00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:51,300 JD: He tried to become Music Man. 546 00:31:51,540 --> 00:31:53,060 JD: J Mike, don't we all. 547 00:31:53,060 --> 00:31:55,380 JD: Deep inside there is no justice for you. 548 00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:59,460 Case: He got in grade school in grade shul shool. 549 00:32:01,539 --> 00:32:17,430 JD: I, I, I love I like out of all of the mispronunciations of words, Shul is my favorite Bat and Titan because like Matras like Metro City or Metrosity, like Metro City, like comes up over and over again. 550 00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:28,830 JD: Which also like a nice little touch of like, like how Megamind views the city and how he views like the people of this city and how. 551 00:32:28,830 --> 00:32:31,670 JD: And how they feel about him as like associating their city with. 552 00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:32,790 JD: With like an atrocity. 553 00:32:32,790 --> 00:32:36,510 JD: It's like this like everything you are is an atrocity against me. 554 00:32:36,750 --> 00:32:37,550 JD: I love that. 555 00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:40,350 JD: But just shul is so. 556 00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:47,670 JD: Is such a stupid little like throwaway gag and makes. 557 00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:49,070 JD: It makes the whole movie for me. 558 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:49,470 Case: Yeah. 559 00:32:49,630 --> 00:32:53,470 Case: Well, what was the one he did when he tried to say hello, but he said in a weird way it. 560 00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:58,670 Case: I remember noting that it was not like a mispronunciation of the. 561 00:32:58,670 --> 00:32:59,430 Case: Of the right letters. 562 00:32:59,430 --> 00:33:02,910 Case: It was like OLO or something like that. 563 00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:05,480 JD: I feel like he was trying to olo. 564 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,040 JD: That was it. 565 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:13,680 JD: Olo like OLO every time. 566 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,440 JD: Because like, I think the first time he says it is when he like when Roxanne finds the secret lair and he. 567 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,360 JD: But he answers the phone from inside, right? 568 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:21,640 Case: Yeah. 569 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,200 Case: And as Bernard, hello? 570 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,880 JD: And he's like, no, it's hello. 571 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,720 JD: I also love Minion having a better grasp on. 572 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,800 JD: On the English language than Megan does. 573 00:33:31,230 --> 00:33:32,110 Case: Also fantastic. 574 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:32,510 Case: I. 575 00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:35,470 Case: So like, I loved Minions. 576 00:33:35,550 --> 00:33:40,230 Case: I. I love the whole opening act of this. 577 00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:40,990 Case: Like the. 578 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:47,950 Case: The botched kidnapping slat that turns out to go right, but only goes right because Metro man like gives up. 579 00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:52,670 Case: I thought that's like a perfect setup for this movie. 580 00:33:52,910 --> 00:33:53,670 Case: Like you. 581 00:33:53,670 --> 00:33:54,190 Case: You get. 582 00:33:54,350 --> 00:34:00,940 Case: You get through what is an escape and an evil plan and in extremely efficient time. 583 00:34:01,260 --> 00:34:12,739 Case: And then you go straight into this whole like wonderful detail of Roxanne being able to predict everything that Megamind is going to do to her, which is so fun where she's like alligators. 584 00:34:12,739 --> 00:34:13,100 JD: Alligators. 585 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:13,500 Case: Alligators. 586 00:34:14,458 --> 00:34:15,739 JD: I thought about it on the way here. 587 00:34:16,219 --> 00:34:26,190 JD: Or actually like, I think my favorite detail of that was like when she first gets unbagged and she's like, can you like wash. Can you just wash like the bag, like the blindfold, please? 588 00:34:26,190 --> 00:34:27,670 JD: It doesn't smell good, right? 589 00:34:28,870 --> 00:34:30,230 Case: Why is she not screaming? 590 00:34:30,630 --> 00:34:32,110 JD: Yeah, why is she not screaming? 591 00:34:32,110 --> 00:34:33,550 JD: Because I know how this goes. 592 00:34:33,550 --> 00:34:34,310 JD: Megamind. 593 00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:36,429 Case: Don't panic, Roxanne. 594 00:34:36,429 --> 00:34:37,110 Case: I'm not panicking. 595 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:38,310 JD: It's like, oh, the spider's new. 596 00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:41,190 JD: Yes, yes, Arachnus deficit. 597 00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:42,230 Case: Yes, the spider. 598 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:46,710 JD: Spider blowing it. 599 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:47,870 JD: Blowing it back in his face. 600 00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:50,389 JD: Like, like you're like you're. 601 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:52,010 JD: You were so right on the. 602 00:34:52,010 --> 00:34:54,370 JD: Right on the money about the joke per page. 603 00:34:54,610 --> 00:34:56,130 JD: Like, like it just. 604 00:34:57,010 --> 00:34:58,410 JD: It Hits you. 605 00:34:58,410 --> 00:34:58,810 Case: Yeah. 606 00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:59,370 JD: At every. 607 00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:59,730 JD: Right. 608 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:01,250 Case: Like every minute there's a joke. 609 00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:02,450 JD: Yeah, it's. 610 00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:14,290 JD: It's such a, it is such a tight script that, I mean, if were, if we wanted to, like, you could like, throw this in like a, like a writing class. 611 00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:16,410 JD: And it's like, look at like. 612 00:35:16,410 --> 00:35:16,770 JD: Yes. 613 00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:24,650 JD: This movie is not like the, like an insane masterpiece, but it's got an incredibly tight script that you can. 614 00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:27,210 JD: That, like, if you wanted to learn writing like this. 615 00:35:27,210 --> 00:35:27,490 JD: Ha. 616 00:35:27,490 --> 00:35:28,330 JD: That, like, this. 617 00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:30,010 JD: This works. 618 00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:33,890 JD: This is like a great blueprint for, like, script writing. 619 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:36,170 Case: Yeah, yeah, because it's just remarkable. 620 00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:39,490 Case: And it's remarkably tight just in how all the story structures work. 621 00:35:39,490 --> 00:35:53,150 Case: Like, you know, we get the unveiling of the statue of Metro man at the opening of this movie, and then that's the thing that, like, Megamind, like, bonds with Roxanne over in the next bit, like in the next act of the movie. 622 00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:58,990 Case: And then he blows it up and it's like a really funny beat right there, like, where it's like, we better run. 623 00:36:00,669 --> 00:36:01,150 JD: Yeah. 624 00:36:01,150 --> 00:36:01,830 JD: Like, I feel like. 625 00:36:01,830 --> 00:36:02,830 JD: I feel like that right there. 626 00:36:02,830 --> 00:36:04,670 JD: That's like the break into Act 2. 627 00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:05,230 Case: Yes. 628 00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:07,790 JD: Is, is, is him blowing that up. 629 00:36:08,430 --> 00:36:20,530 JD: And then you could argue either like, either, you know, Megamind's reveal that he is Bernard or the first fight between him and Titan is like the break into Act 3. 630 00:36:21,250 --> 00:36:21,890 Case: Yeah, yeah. 631 00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:27,329 Case: I would, I would say the break in Act 3 would be the fight with him and Titan because he almost dies. 632 00:36:27,329 --> 00:36:28,130 Case: Pretty closely. 633 00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:29,050 JD: Yeah. 634 00:36:29,050 --> 00:36:29,650 JD: And then that. 635 00:36:29,650 --> 00:36:42,340 JD: And that's like, almost immediately followed up by him going to Roxanne's apartment, and then they go to, like, Metro Man's base and find Metro man alive with his, like, five o' clock shadow and his insane jaw. 636 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:44,820 JD: He's got such an insane jaw in this movie. 637 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:46,020 JD: It's like the crimson chin. 638 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,180 JD: What a, what a jawline. 639 00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:48,580 JD: I like that. 640 00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:58,820 Case: They kind of foreshadow the Metro man becoming Music man thing by, like, he has, like, tassels on his, like, gloves and boots, and it's very like, country music star. 641 00:36:59,060 --> 00:37:02,980 Case: Like, he's got that element to him already. 642 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:08,240 Case: Like, the design of his costume kind of looks like, a sequined vest. 643 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,280 JD: Yeah, it's Elvis. 644 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,960 Case: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 645 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:24,360 JD: And actually, speaking of the tassels, another small little detail, like, when we get into the final battle and like, you have like, Megamind is posing as Metro Man. 646 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,480 JD: Minion is posing as Megamind and all that. 647 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:48,000 JD: But when quote unquote, Metro man shows up to fight Titan, he has like, he basically like aura farms and just like flexes and then he goes full anime protagonist and just like flexes and then like the tassels fly about like so good. 648 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,799 JD: And just doing that one little moment. 649 00:37:49,799 --> 00:37:50,120 JD: Titan. 650 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,560 JD: Titan's like, oh shit, I'm. 651 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:53,760 JD: I'm dead. 652 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,160 Case: Yeah. 653 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,800 Case: Yeah. 654 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,560 Case: The, the conclusion is also really strong. 655 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,650 Case: Like the, the reveal of Metro man still being alive works really well. 656 00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:08,410 Case: I love the Roxanne breakup scene, by the way. 657 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:21,050 Case: Like her, like the reveal of Metromine, Metro mind of Megamind while they're in the middle of the kiss is such a brutal scene for her. 658 00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:26,610 Case: Just wonderful stuff in terms of the character drama there and then. 659 00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:35,650 Case: Yeah, Megamind, like pretending to be Metro man is like, is such a thematic thing for the character. 660 00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:43,010 Case: Like he's taking on the identity of the superhero at the end of this movie using his machines and, and all that. 661 00:38:43,169 --> 00:38:54,260 Case: I, I kind of wish his machines were a little bit more up to stuff with Titan and he's like Titan, once he sees through the ruse, is able to like just like, you know, rip right through him. 662 00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:55,820 Case: But you know, what are you gonna do? 663 00:38:56,060 --> 00:38:59,820 JD: I also will say like the, the use of his. 664 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:03,580 JD: Like, like his disguises are kind of like. 665 00:39:03,900 --> 00:39:13,260 JD: It comes in threes of like the first time he disguises himself is as the warden to escape as well as like it's a very selfish evil reason. 666 00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:17,020 JD: Then he disguises himself as Bernard as like a selfish. 667 00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,370 JD: But going about it like trying to do good, but in a selfish way. 668 00:39:22,770 --> 00:39:26,690 JD: And finally disguising himself as Metro man is like, this is a selfless act. 669 00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:34,610 JD: This is him finally being the hero that he wants to be. 670 00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:35,370 Case: Yeah. 671 00:39:35,370 --> 00:39:35,730 Case: You know what? 672 00:39:35,730 --> 00:39:48,900 Case: I'm just noticing the, A very funny thing about the Titan misspelling in the Wikipedia article is that from the point where Hal takes the name Titan but misspells it as Titan, it is written out that way entirely. 673 00:39:48,900 --> 00:39:50,580 Case: Which I at no point realized. 674 00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:52,860 Jmike: I, I noticed that in the captions. 675 00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:57,420 Jmike: I was like, I wonder if they actually do it in the captions. 676 00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:58,260 Jmike: I turned the captions on. 677 00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:00,060 Jmike: I was like, yep, they misspell it there. 678 00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:04,340 Case: I just assumed it was a one and done joke, but they do it the rest of the way. 679 00:40:04,340 --> 00:40:04,940 Case: That's amazing. 680 00:40:04,940 --> 00:40:10,140 JD: Yep, that makes me, that makes me so happy. 681 00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:11,100 JD: Yeah. 682 00:40:11,660 --> 00:40:13,310 JD: But yeah, I like, I. 683 00:40:14,190 --> 00:40:20,950 JD: And again, like, it's just like these really like these small effective of pieces like, throughout the movie. 684 00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:24,750 JD: And then also, you know, call, like having the call back to the invisible car. 685 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:27,470 JD: And like, he's like, I. I forgot where. 686 00:40:27,470 --> 00:40:28,510 JD: I forgot where it was. 687 00:40:28,510 --> 00:40:29,190 JD: After you broke up. 688 00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:32,990 Case: When that breakup happened and he walked away, I was like, is he just going to leave his car there? 689 00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:36,750 Case: And then later on, there's the scene where I'm like, I guess he did just leave his car there. 690 00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:40,030 JD: Yeah, no, he just left his car because he was so sad. 691 00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:44,590 Case: I just assumed afterwards that like, he like walked away, but he like, got the car. 692 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:48,070 Case: Like, like that was just like the blocking of the scene. 693 00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:49,630 Case: No, no, he actually left the car. 694 00:40:49,710 --> 00:40:50,990 Jmike: Yeah, he really forgot. 695 00:40:51,150 --> 00:40:54,430 JD: He actually left the car and then it came back in a really brilliant way. 696 00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:55,630 JD: Like, like. 697 00:40:56,430 --> 00:40:57,030 JD: And then he. 698 00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:59,310 Case: He points out to me with really good fight choreography. 699 00:40:59,630 --> 00:41:00,110 JD: Absolutely. 700 00:41:00,110 --> 00:41:05,630 JD: Like, he points out is like, the thing about being a villain is like, I get to like being a super villain. 701 00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:10,100 JD: I learned from my mistakes and like jumping through and like, it's. 702 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:11,180 JD: It's like, it's such a. 703 00:41:11,180 --> 00:41:11,620 JD: Like a. 704 00:41:11,620 --> 00:41:22,620 JD: Like almost like a monster movie type situation of like when he pulls the car door off, but Megamind and it's like, oh, he's not there, but Megamind is just holding on all holding on to the door like it's a monster. 705 00:41:22,700 --> 00:41:25,900 Case: Which is so great because of the effect of the invisible car door. 706 00:41:26,140 --> 00:41:27,900 Case: Like, it looks so good right there. 707 00:41:28,220 --> 00:41:28,580 JD: Yeah. 708 00:41:28,580 --> 00:41:30,740 JD: And the stupid little guy. 709 00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:37,470 JD: Oh, it's like as soon as he sees him, just a lot of pushes the lockdown, he's like, I'll be safe ride. 710 00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:47,590 Case: And I, I will say that the end bit of choreography where he like, dehydrates himself and then like falls down and then like, you know, hits. 711 00:41:47,590 --> 00:41:49,470 Case: Hits the fountain and like rehydrates there. 712 00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:52,110 Case: That bit so far is very cool. 713 00:41:53,230 --> 00:41:55,470 Case: I don't know how necessary it was for. 714 00:41:55,470 --> 00:41:57,750 Case: From the scene standpoint, but it's very cool. 715 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:06,780 Case: And like, it definitely like, it's like Goku in his fight with Cell, like doing the instant transmission to be right behind Cell when he does the ultimate Kamehameha. 716 00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:11,980 Case: Yeah, I love. 717 00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:12,980 JD: I. I love hearing this. 718 00:42:12,980 --> 00:42:14,340 JD: As someone who has not watched or. 719 00:42:14,340 --> 00:42:15,660 Case: Read Dragon Ball, fair enough. 720 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:20,300 JD: But however, I do have all of. 721 00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:25,100 JD: All of Dragon Ball the manga now, so I have no excuse get to read except time. 722 00:42:25,420 --> 00:42:26,540 Case: Time is a big excuse. 723 00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:28,910 JD: Yeah, time is. 724 00:42:28,910 --> 00:42:30,750 JD: Time is my main excuse whenever. 725 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:32,350 JD: Whenever it comes to reading anything. 726 00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:33,070 JD: But. 727 00:42:33,070 --> 00:42:36,190 Case: But I just love that bit of the fight choreography where. 728 00:42:36,270 --> 00:42:43,630 Case: Where he dehydrates himself, rehydrates himself at point blank range and gets the shot off to like de power Titan. 729 00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:47,070 Case: And now I can't not say Titan as in Titan. 730 00:42:47,070 --> 00:42:49,710 Case: Like as opposed to Titan. 731 00:42:51,150 --> 00:42:51,990 Case: It's Titan. 732 00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:57,390 Jmike: Well, there's that little, it's a little after credit scene where because you completely forget that Bernard's still in the movie. 733 00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:02,210 Jmike: And like the minions washing clothes, all of a sudden Bernard just appears. 734 00:43:02,690 --> 00:43:10,370 Case: Well, and like earlier when they have the breakup and she's like walking in just like garbage starts like rehydrating around her and I. 735 00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:12,810 JD: And again it's like, it's a joke that comes in threes. 736 00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:15,330 JD: Like, you see the garbage, you see him and then burn. 737 00:43:15,330 --> 00:43:21,370 JD: And like this like the third is just the stinger with Bernard of just like he pops out of the washer. 738 00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:26,720 JD: It's like, man, you really gotta clean out your pockets before you throw your clothes in the wash, man. 739 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,000 JD: Never know what he's gonna bring. 740 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:29,440 Case: Yeah. 741 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:30,160 JD: Or who. 742 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,520 Case: And that's a really clever device as like a supervillain technique. 743 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,760 Case: You know, it's very much like the Brainiac shrinking ray, but it's so. 744 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,760 Case: It is iconic to Megamind because it just creates these like tiny little blue cubes for everything he fires them at. 745 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:52,560 Case: And it, you know, it's very cute that like they just get wet and they like pop back into whatever. 746 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,240 Case: Also a Dragon Ball Z reference. 747 00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:55,720 Case: It's like capsule core there. 748 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,000 Case: Yeah. 749 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,400 JD: And also like early, like earlier in the movie when he's like cleaning up the city. 750 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360 JD: It's like, it's also him showing him. 751 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,520 JD: I was like, he's not fully reformed yet because he's doing a very half assed job. 752 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,400 JD: He's not actually cleaning up the city. 753 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,560 JD: He's just, he's just dehydrating. 754 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,130 JD: Dehydrating the trash to. 755 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,320 JD: So that it's out of the way. 756 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:21,080 Jmike: Yep. 757 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:21,280 Case: Right. 758 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:21,680 Case: Yes. 759 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,120 JD: And then, and then like. 760 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,560 JD: Yeah. 761 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,160 JD: So then whenever the breakup happens, it's like showing off. 762 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:27,600 JD: It's like. 763 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,960 JD: Yeah, he hasn't quite fully made the change yet. 764 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,040 JD: He's on his way. 765 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,000 JD: Just. 766 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:34,720 JD: He. 767 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,480 JD: He needs to make that final turn. 768 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:37,600 Case: Yeah. 769 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,320 Case: But I mean like, seriously fantastic stuff there. 770 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,840 Case: Why don't we move on to talking about the context that this movie came out in? 771 00:44:46,540 --> 00:44:50,940 Case: Because it's kind of interesting to think about it in terms of. 772 00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:57,020 Case: I have a list here of like superhero stuff that came out the same year, but I'm kind of like regretting not getting other animated movies. 773 00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:58,340 Case: Let me see if I can pull that up. 774 00:44:58,340 --> 00:45:00,700 JD: Well, let's see, this came out in what, 2010? 775 00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:01,740 Jmike: Yeah, yeah. 776 00:45:02,540 --> 00:45:05,020 JD: So this was the same year as Iron Man 2. 777 00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:09,340 JD: And then were still a year away from Thor and Captain America. 778 00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:16,540 JD: We were in between the second and third Nolan Batman movies. 779 00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:17,580 Case: Right. 780 00:45:17,980 --> 00:45:20,540 Case: And this is the same year as Scott Pilgrim. 781 00:45:20,940 --> 00:45:21,900 JD: That's right, yeah. 782 00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:22,340 JD: Yes. 783 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:23,580 JD: Same year as Scott Pilgrim. 784 00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:23,980 JD: Yeah. 785 00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:27,420 JD: And in terms of, like, animation, this was also the same year as Toy Story 3. 786 00:45:28,380 --> 00:45:29,460 Case: you see, Perfect. 787 00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:29,820 Case: That. 788 00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:40,380 Case: That is the kind of info that I was, like, looking to reference here, at least somewhat, because it is interesting, like, the context of where this movie comes out. 789 00:45:40,380 --> 00:45:41,600 Case: You know, it's. 790 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,480 Case: It's before the MCU has taken off. 791 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:59,200 Case: And you can kind of tell that is part of the DNA of this movie because it defaults to, like, the most default superhero tropes that, like, once the MCU becomes dominant, would not be necessary at that point. 792 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,400 Case: Like, you wouldn't be as broad as this movie is. 793 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,040 Case: You would be more of a specific MCU kind of parody. 794 00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:06,970 Jmike: Yeah. 795 00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:17,770 JD: It's like, unlike Josie and the Pussycats, which is a perfect movie, Megamind actually came out at the exact right moment for the parody to work. 796 00:46:18,490 --> 00:46:18,890 Case: Right. 797 00:46:19,050 --> 00:46:26,970 Case: The only thing is that superhero movies just hadn't exploded quite as much as they would ultimately. 798 00:46:27,370 --> 00:46:31,130 Case: But this movie is riding the wave and. 799 00:46:31,210 --> 00:46:31,690 JD: Yeah. 800 00:46:32,420 --> 00:46:34,100 Case: And does so really effectively, I think. 801 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,380 Case: I think it's a very good parody of superhero concepts. 802 00:46:38,900 --> 00:46:40,060 JD: Yes, absolutely. 803 00:46:40,060 --> 00:46:44,900 JD: And, like, in terms of, like, other, like, outside of the mcu, this was. 804 00:46:44,900 --> 00:46:49,860 JD: This was also, like, by this point, we had gotten two Punisher movies. 805 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:54,660 JD: We had gotten, like, the full X Men trilogy, and we had gotten X Men origins. 806 00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:59,030 JD: Wolverine X Men First Class was the following year, if I'm not mistaken. 807 00:46:59,030 --> 00:47:02,430 JD: Like, we had already, of course, gotten the Raimi Spider man trilogy. 808 00:47:02,430 --> 00:47:03,230 JD: There was a. 809 00:47:03,310 --> 00:47:04,790 JD: And I think wasn't amazing. 810 00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:05,710 JD: Spider Man 2012. 811 00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:07,550 Case: Yeah. 812 00:47:07,550 --> 00:47:09,310 Case: It was the same summer as Avengers. 813 00:47:10,750 --> 00:47:11,150 JD: Yes. 814 00:47:11,150 --> 00:47:11,390 JD: Yeah. 815 00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:13,790 JD: So it's 2012, so we're still two years away from. 816 00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:15,070 JD: From a Spider man reboot. 817 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:16,910 JD: It was like, it, like. 818 00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:17,990 JD: Like, yeah, it's like, it's. 819 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:24,680 JD: It's riding the coattails of a very particular time of superhero movies. 820 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:34,120 JD: And right before superhero movies became an actual genuine, like, pop culture phenomenon. 821 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:34,800 Case: Yeah. 822 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:44,080 Case: So perfectly timed in terms of getting out there and being available to everyone to watch as this thing became a juggernaut of. 823 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,880 Case: Of material in. 824 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,540 Case: In terms of being able to satire or satirize the. 825 00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:54,460 Case: The ultimate superhero genre that the medium became. 826 00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:56,620 Case: It misses out on some of those things. 827 00:47:56,620 --> 00:47:58,220 Case: Just because it did. 828 00:47:58,220 --> 00:48:01,300 Case: It couldn't have Seen the material that hadn't come out yet. 829 00:48:01,300 --> 00:48:05,180 Case: You know, it can't parody the Avengers when the Avengers hasn't come out yet. 830 00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:09,220 Case: But I, I don't say that as a mark against this movie. 831 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:13,660 Case: I just say that as a mark in terms of, like, you can see what time this movie was made. 832 00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:15,550 JD: Yeah. 833 00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:22,550 JD: I do also think though, that the movie, like, has aged very well and still works in 2025. 834 00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:24,350 Case: Yeah, I think so too. 835 00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:24,790 JD: Yeah. 836 00:48:25,590 --> 00:48:28,670 JD: Yeah, we've, we've said it many times. 837 00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:33,270 JD: Like, this just has a really tight script. 838 00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:44,520 JD: In, in terms of storytelling, in terms of like, joke per minute, slash joke per page, in terms of character arcs and character work. 839 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:51,800 JD: It like so many things on, in this movie, like, on every level, just plain work. 840 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,880 Case: Yeah, no disagreement from me on that one. 841 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,160 JD: Now you know why I wanted to talk about this movie. 842 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,560 Case: I. I know, like, what. 843 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,400 Case: I just don't have more to say about it because I'm like, yeah, it was really good. 844 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,920 Case: It was, it was really goddamn good. 845 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,100 Case: Yeah, it very well did the Superman story and the inverse of the Superman story very well. 846 00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:14,180 Case: Like, I appreciate both aspects of that. 847 00:49:14,820 --> 00:49:17,220 Case: It does the job incredibly well. 848 00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:22,580 Case: I know that I have to do a video on Metro man at some point soon, and I probably can make an excuse for Megamind. 849 00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:27,380 JD: Yeah, like, and that too, like, Megamind is like. 850 00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:27,780 JD: It's like. 851 00:49:27,780 --> 00:49:30,660 JD: That's the question at the end of the movie now is like, is. 852 00:49:30,980 --> 00:49:35,390 JD: Is Metro man or Megamind the, like the Superman? 853 00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:35,750 JD: It's like. 854 00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:36,710 JD: Well, they both are. 855 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:43,150 JD: It's just that, you know, one, like you said, like, Megamind is like the inverse Metro man is. 856 00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:46,510 JD: Is the Superman story up to a point. 857 00:49:46,590 --> 00:49:49,630 JD: Because Superman wouldn't just give up. 858 00:49:49,710 --> 00:49:50,590 JD: Superman wouldn't. 859 00:49:50,590 --> 00:49:50,830 JD: Right. 860 00:49:50,830 --> 00:49:51,110 Case: Yeah. 861 00:49:51,110 --> 00:49:52,590 JD: See, it all is going through the motions. 862 00:49:52,910 --> 00:50:00,350 JD: And, and that's when you have the, the switch from, like, Metro man is no longer the Superman analog in this movie, it's now Megamind. 863 00:50:00,500 --> 00:50:07,140 JD: But Megamind has to work and put in the effort to be the Superman analog, to be the ultimate superhero. 864 00:50:08,580 --> 00:50:09,060 JD: Yeah. 865 00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:19,580 Case: So before we get into wrapping up on our notes on this one, because I feel like we've said a lot of really fun things about this movie, but again, it kind of comes down to a summary of. 866 00:50:19,580 --> 00:50:20,580 Case: It's pretty damn good. 867 00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:22,660 Case: You should go see it if you haven't seen it. 868 00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:23,180 Case: It's. 869 00:50:23,180 --> 00:50:23,460 Jmike: It. 870 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,480 Case: And it's a very obvious parody of Superman. 871 00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:33,510 Case: Like, Metro man is Superman, like on the surface. 872 00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:34,390 Case: And then he. 873 00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:37,110 Case: Up in A way that Superman would never. 874 00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:41,110 Case: But you could imagine that this version of a Superman analog would. 875 00:50:41,350 --> 00:50:55,970 Case: And Megamind, you know, capitalizes on that for a while and then picks up the reins of being the hero and is also an alien from another planet and doing the science hero thing, which I'm always a big fan of in our Superman archetypes. 876 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,760 Case: So is doing that really well. 877 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:05,440 Case: But I wanted to give everyone space to bring up a thing that they wanted to make sure we talked about this movie. 878 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,960 Case: So J Mike, is there anything that we haven't talked about this movie that you wanted to make sure we brought up? 879 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,040 Jmike: I'm trying to think. 880 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:13,400 Jmike: Not really. 881 00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:19,640 Jmike: Like my favorite parts are the constant misspelling of all the words in the movie. 882 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,640 Jmike: Like it's just, the joke just keeps going on and on. 883 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:29,340 Jmike: And like the more things they do like with the captions on it's very obvious that they don't know what they're talking about. 884 00:51:29,980 --> 00:51:32,140 Jmike: But yeah, it's just a really fun movie. 885 00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:33,020 Jmike: Like it. 886 00:51:33,020 --> 00:51:33,820 Jmike: And it's last. 887 00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:38,620 Jmike: It has a staying power with how like how much work and effort went into this movie. 888 00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:40,540 Jmike: So I think we talked about everything. 889 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:41,420 Case: All right. 890 00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:42,140 Case: J.D. 891 00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:45,340 Case: is there anything that you wanted to make sure that we hit that we haven't talked about? 892 00:51:46,780 --> 00:51:53,390 JD: The, like the one other thing because this is something obvious I, I, I talk about a lot with movies is the is run times. 893 00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:56,590 JD: This movie is just like It's a flat 90 minutes. 894 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:58,110 Case: Yeah, it's very tight. 895 00:51:58,110 --> 00:52:01,710 JD: That, yeah, that makes me so happy. 896 00:52:01,870 --> 00:52:13,150 JD: I mean look, don't get me wrong, I do love a good three hour movie as long as it, you know, has good pacing and is like, and I still enjoy myself the whole way through. 897 00:52:13,310 --> 00:52:15,710 JD: But I also do love a good 90 minute movie. 898 00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:20,790 JD: And, and this just, it hits it right where I keep saying it. 899 00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:23,190 JD: Like it just works on every level for me. 900 00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:24,670 JD: It's not trying to reinvent the wheel. 901 00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:32,030 JD: It's not trying to, you know, be you know, like a, a contemporary masterpiece or whatever you want to call it. 902 00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:36,030 JD: It's just trying to be a fun movie and it succeeds on every level. 903 00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:37,390 Case: Yeah. 904 00:52:37,710 --> 00:52:38,270 Case: Yeah. 905 00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:40,310 Case: So I'm, I'm curious. 906 00:52:40,310 --> 00:52:45,470 Case: I said before my favorite quote from this movie was chicks don't dig bounce houses. 907 00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:47,950 Case: They, they're into clowns. 908 00:52:48,030 --> 00:52:48,750 JD: Clowns. 909 00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:53,790 Case: Any other like favorite moments or quotes that you guys wanted to reference? 910 00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:56,910 JD: Oh, oh, I have. 911 00:52:57,630 --> 00:52:59,150 JD: This is another one from Hal. 912 00:52:59,390 --> 00:53:01,630 JD: It's like there is no Easter Bunny. 913 00:53:01,630 --> 00:53:02,270 JD: There is no. 914 00:53:03,070 --> 00:53:04,550 JD: And there is no Queen of England. 915 00:53:04,550 --> 00:53:04,990 JD: Yes. 916 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:09,880 JD: And he, and he just keeps going. 917 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,400 JD: But Roxy's just like, wait, hold on. 918 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:12,680 JD: What? 919 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,880 Jmike: Yeah, the last one caught her off guard and it's like, oh wait. 920 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:19,800 JD: That one. 921 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:25,400 JD: And also there's there's like the exchange between Megamind and Roxanne when she finds the secret hideout. 922 00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,040 JD: And he's like, how did she find my secret hideout? 923 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,680 JD: How did you find his secret hideout? 924 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:37,200 JD: Like, that one has been going, has been making the rounds on TikTok lately and I'm very happy. 925 00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:39,280 Case: Excellent. 926 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,960 JD: It's actually, you know what it kind of reminds me of the Adam. 927 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:53,120 JD: The episode of the Adam West Batman when he has to be both Bruce Wayne and Batman on the phone. 928 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:55,200 Case: Yes. 929 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,800 JD: It's like you got to go back and forth. 930 00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,680 JD: Yeah, it's. 931 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,950 JD: Yeah, I love that. 932 00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:02,510 Case: All right. 933 00:54:02,510 --> 00:54:03,710 Case: It is such a fun movie. 934 00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:04,390 Case: I like. 935 00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:06,990 Case: That's the biggest takeaway from this for me. 936 00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:08,870 Case: I just keep on being like, this is so great. 937 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:09,270 Case: Like. 938 00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:11,230 Case: And you know what? 939 00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:12,710 Case: It's one I knew was going to be great. 940 00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:17,670 Case: It's just amazing that it took me 15 years to finally watch it, I guess is what gets me. 941 00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:22,070 JD: And, and honestly, I like, tell me if I'm wrong. 942 00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:24,550 JD: You're going to watch this at least once a year now. 943 00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:27,470 Case: It's going to be in that ballpark. 944 00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:28,870 Case: Like maybe not once a year. 945 00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:40,240 Case: I mean, probably a lot in the next like two years because I have a toddler and I'm gonna put this in that rotation of like movies that I'm like, yeah, no, that's good because Netflix for some reason puts us in. 946 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,920 Case: It's like the kids profile. 947 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:49,240 Case: Megamind is like one of the top requested movies in that list, along with like My Little Pony, Friendship is Magic and Peppa Pig. 948 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,680 Case: So like the age demographic seems like all over the place on that one. 949 00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,490 JD: I love how much Peppa Pig has been brought up. 950 00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:58,850 Case: I have watched a lot of Peppa Pig. 951 00:54:58,850 --> 00:54:59,730 Case: You have no idea. 952 00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:01,650 Case: I have a two year old. 953 00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:05,330 JD: Where's the, where's the bluey love man? 954 00:55:05,730 --> 00:55:06,930 Case: I love Bluey too. 955 00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:15,890 Case: But I, I will say that Grampy Rabbit is a great character on Peppa Pig and might be a Superman analog unto itself at some point. 956 00:55:16,930 --> 00:55:18,850 Case: Well, just fantastic. 957 00:55:18,930 --> 00:55:19,650 JD: The Peppa. 958 00:55:19,890 --> 00:55:21,405 JD: I just got to come back for the Peppa Pig episode. 959 00:55:21,405 --> 00:55:22,080 JD: Episode, I guess. 960 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:22,520 Jmike: Yeah. 961 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,520 Case: That'Ll do with my daughter when she's like old enough. 962 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,120 JD: Yeah, give it, give it about, give about 10 or 15 years well. 963 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:36,680 Case: We'Ll see. 964 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,640 Case: But anyway, so, like, final thoughts on Megamind. 965 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,720 Case: Like, if you had to sum this up to anyone who was not familiar with the movie, how would you describe it? 966 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:46,560 Case: You know, like, it. 967 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:51,630 Case: Would you say that this is a great parody, a great deconstruction, a love letter to superhero material. 968 00:55:51,630 --> 00:55:55,270 Case: Like, how would you describe it all three. 969 00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:58,150 JD: Yeah, it's a deconstruction, it's a parody. 970 00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:58,790 JD: It's. 971 00:55:59,350 --> 00:56:01,430 JD: And a love letter all rolled up into one. 972 00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:06,470 JD: It's, you know, the, like, you know, the super villain defeats. 973 00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:24,000 JD: Defeats the defeats the Superman of this world and realizes that he messed up and you know, needs this needs the superhero to sustain himself and winds up becoming the superhero in the end. 974 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:38,720 JD: And which reminds me, right now, there was a comparison that I forgot to make, which I'm in the right group for this because we covered this particular comic, this trio, about four years ago. 975 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:39,800 Case: Okay. 976 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,240 JD: When I started the long haul. 977 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:42,320 JD: JLA. 978 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:42,840 JD: Earth 2. 979 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,280 Case: Yes, we did talk about that. 980 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,640 Case: And that was a scenario where evil always wins. 981 00:56:50,760 --> 00:57:02,680 JD: Yeah, like, and like the idea of like, when out when the, when the Crime Syndicate go to, you know, the Justice League's Earth Owlman figures out, like, wait, no, we have to go back. 982 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:04,760 JD: This is not the world we can be in. 983 00:57:05,050 --> 00:57:07,290 JD: Because evil always loses here. 984 00:57:07,930 --> 00:57:08,930 JD: And that. 985 00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:31,250 JD: And, and I don't know what it was, but like, that came to mind when we get to the scene, like after the whole, you know, like, evil has one montage and Megamind is just like in the mayor's office that he's taken over and he's talking to the little, to little, like the little bird, the little plastic bird that. 986 00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:31,850 JD: Right, yeah. 987 00:57:32,410 --> 00:57:32,730 JD: In water. 988 00:57:32,970 --> 00:57:36,290 JD: He, he's just talking there of like, I, I needed. 989 00:57:36,290 --> 00:57:42,570 JD: I, I've realized I needed a hero to like, to be there. 990 00:57:42,570 --> 00:57:45,770 JD: Like, it's like there is, it's, there's no use in being bad. 991 00:57:45,770 --> 00:57:47,530 JD: There's no good to stop you. 992 00:57:48,089 --> 00:57:50,770 JD: And I was like, jailer. 993 00:57:50,770 --> 00:57:53,530 JD: Earth 2, what are you doing here? 994 00:57:54,330 --> 00:58:10,430 Case: Yeah, no, it succinctly illustrates the point that like, the same point being made that good requires evil not to become complacent, and evil requires good not to likewise be able to run rampant and not have any fun. 995 00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:11,310 JD: Yeah. 996 00:58:11,710 --> 00:58:17,950 JD: So what we're saying is that a nice double feature is Megamind and Justice League crisis on tourists? 997 00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:20,990 Case: Yes, that would be a really good double feature, actually. 998 00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:21,470 Jmike: Yeah. 999 00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:22,870 Case: All right. 1000 00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:23,190 JD: Crap. 1001 00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:24,190 JD: No, all right, I know what. 1002 00:58:24,350 --> 00:58:24,830 JD: I know. 1003 00:58:24,830 --> 00:58:25,190 JD: Yep. 1004 00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:26,180 JD: I know what I want to watch after. 1005 00:58:26,250 --> 00:58:27,370 JD: After we get off the skull now. 1006 00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:34,010 Case: Well, before we completely wrap up, we do have some people we have to thank now. 1007 00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:45,370 Case: We have a Patreon for CPOV Media, which is the shows that are produced by Certain Point of View, which are my shows, which are Men of Steel and Another Pass, as well as all the stuff on the YouTube channel. 1008 00:58:45,690 --> 00:58:49,930 Case: So we have people to thank who have joined our Patreon at the executive producer level. 1009 00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:56,740 Case: If you want to support the show, you can be like these people and join at the higher paid tiers. 1010 00:58:56,820 --> 00:59:00,660 Case: But even if you just join at the free tiers, we are doing lots of bonus content. 1011 00:59:00,660 --> 00:59:03,380 Case: I'm doing two essays a week that are. 1012 00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:11,980 Case: One's a nerdy thing, one's a D and D thing, which means it's also a nerdy thing, but it's specifically a D and D thing and that goes to the free tiers. 1013 00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:14,100 Case: We're doing previews for all of our episodes. 1014 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:15,860 Case: Doing tons of stuff is what I'm getting at. 1015 00:59:15,860 --> 00:59:22,150 Case: And so you could be like these people, or you could just come and join us and have a good time at a lower tier. 1016 00:59:22,150 --> 00:59:35,230 Case: But these are the people that we have to thank right now, and that is Micah McCaw, Carter Hallett, Sean Muir Lee, Gregor Memento Young, Logan Crowley, Joe Master, Piero Casey and Nancy Aiken, Adam Sampter and Keith Letinen. 1017 00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:47,150 Case: You can be like these wonderful people and join our patreon@patreon.com cpovmedia it would be wonderful for you to come and join them, but otherwise you can just be an awesome person. 1018 00:59:47,230 --> 00:59:48,830 Case: An awesome person like jd. 1019 00:59:48,830 --> 00:59:54,910 Case: Jd, thank you so much for coming on this show, keeping your title as most appearances on Men of Steel. 1020 00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:57,310 JD: You can't get rid of me. 1021 00:59:57,310 --> 00:59:59,270 JD: I do really quickly. 1022 00:59:59,270 --> 01:00:00,590 JD: Just want to say one last thing. 1023 01:00:00,590 --> 01:00:03,550 JD: This is not related to Megamind, but this is in relation to Superman. 1024 01:00:03,790 --> 01:00:10,610 JD: We are unfortunately recording this episode on the day that it was announced that Terence Stamp, the wonderful actor who. 1025 01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:18,760 JD: Who portrayed Zod in the Donner Superman films and of course was in tons and tons of other great movies, he passed away today. 1026 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,240 Case: Yeah. 1027 01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:20,760 JD: So. 1028 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,320 JD: So just a shout out. 1029 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:24,840 JD: A shout out to Terence Stamp. 1030 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:25,560 JD: Rest in peace. 1031 01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,080 JD: To a lovely man and a lovely actor who. 1032 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,800 JD: Who got to play around in the world of Superman. 1033 01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:33,680 Case: Yeah, it was sad news. 1034 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,160 Case: I mean, he lived a good long life. 1035 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,680 Case: He was born in 1938. 1036 01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:36,980 JD: Yeah. 1037 01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:38,810 Case: The same year that Superman came out. 1038 01:00:41,050 --> 01:00:41,610 JD: Yeah. 1039 01:00:41,850 --> 01:00:42,210 Case: But. 1040 01:00:42,210 --> 01:00:44,410 Case: But yes, sad news in that regard. 1041 01:00:44,410 --> 01:00:46,810 Case: Jd, where can people find you and follow you? 1042 01:00:47,370 --> 01:00:48,810 JD: I'm still out and about. 1043 01:00:48,970 --> 01:00:53,850 JD: On, on Instagram and Twitter and blue sky and TikTok. 1044 01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:56,970 JD: I rarely ever post anything on TikTok. 1045 01:00:56,970 --> 01:01:04,340 JD: There's a really fun video I made with Transformers toys that I am really proud of on my Tik Tok, if you want to check that out. 1046 01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:05,340 JD: I'm J.D. 1047 01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:07,380 JD: martin on Pretty much everywhere. 1048 01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:13,140 JD: There may be some underscores somewhere in there, but I, I'm, I am easily, I'm easy to find. 1049 01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:17,860 JD: And, and also, just real quick, in honor of Terence, go watch the movie the Limey. 1050 01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:19,380 JD: I'm sure it's streaming somewhere. 1051 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:20,860 JD: Go watch the movie the Limey. 1052 01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:23,540 JD: It's a weird little crime movie that everyone should check out. 1053 01:01:24,180 --> 01:01:25,140 Case: Yeah, all right. 1054 01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:27,860 Case: People should check out the Limey and yeah. 1055 01:01:30,350 --> 01:01:31,030 JD: It'S just a good movie. 1056 01:01:31,030 --> 01:01:31,830 JD: Like, look. 1057 01:01:31,830 --> 01:01:39,070 JD: Every time I can fit a Steven Soderbergh thing into a conversation, I will. 1058 01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:40,790 Case: No, that's totally fair. 1059 01:01:40,790 --> 01:01:47,150 Case: And some Steven Soderbergh love is fully appreciated on this podcast. 1060 01:01:48,350 --> 01:01:49,310 JD: Yeah, just wait. 1061 01:01:49,310 --> 01:01:49,870 JD: Just wait. 1062 01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:54,420 JD: In like five months, you'll see me announce a Steven Soderbergh pop podcast. 1063 01:01:55,300 --> 01:01:57,620 JD: I won't, but I might. 1064 01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:58,420 Case: But you might. 1065 01:01:58,420 --> 01:01:59,140 Case: But you might. 1066 01:01:59,220 --> 01:02:01,900 Case: Also appreciated, however, is J. Mike Fallson, my co host. 1067 01:02:01,900 --> 01:02:04,020 Case: J. Mike, where can people find you and follow you? 1068 01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:05,300 Case: What have you got going on? 1069 01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:07,820 Jmike: Oh, my gosh, social media. 1070 01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:08,660 Jmike: It's so scary. 1071 01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:18,260 Jmike: I am currently mostly over at the blue sky at J5 Bluesky Social and I lurk on the Discord. 1072 01:02:19,950 --> 01:02:25,310 Jmike: I don't post very often, but I am there always in the shadows. 1073 01:02:26,110 --> 01:02:28,830 Jmike: But if you tag me, I'll stop in and say hi. 1074 01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:31,630 Case: Yeah, you should definitely tag both JJ. 1075 01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:36,590 Case: Mike and JD like they're both like wonderful respondents on the Discord server. 1076 01:02:37,550 --> 01:02:41,510 JD: Yeah, I, I, I, I've been posting a little, I've been posting a little bit more lately. 1077 01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:44,630 JD: But you know, if you mention me, I'll pop in and say hi. 1078 01:02:44,630 --> 01:02:47,720 Case: Yeah, the Discord server is a great place to come interact. 1079 01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:53,880 Case: There's a link in the show notes, but it is a great place to interact with all the hosts of the various CPOV shows. 1080 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,440 Case: And that goes for the whole network, not just the CPOV media stuff that is produced by cpov. 1081 01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,960 Case: Just be clear about that whole thing. 1082 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,400 Case: So there's lots of great hosts with lots of great shows. 1083 01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:13,770 Case: Shows like Long Live the Legion Our Siblings show, which is a recent addition to the popular podcast network Long Live the Legion. 1084 01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:17,970 Case: Is Jim and Jay doing rundowns on Legion of superheroes material. 1085 01:03:18,050 --> 01:03:22,370 Case: And at the point when this episode drops, our crossover will have already come out. 1086 01:03:22,610 --> 01:03:26,370 Case: In fact, it will be several weeks in the past at this point. 1087 01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:32,690 Case: So if you've been following this show, you know who Jim and Jay are because they were on this show and were talking about the Legion. 1088 01:03:32,770 --> 01:03:34,010 Case: But you should go check that out. 1089 01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:38,370 Case: The Legion of Superheroes is a ton of fun and super important to the history of Superman. 1090 01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:42,100 Case: So a deep dive into the Legion of Superheroes is definitely worth it. 1091 01:03:43,140 --> 01:03:44,620 Case: So yeah, long live the Legion. 1092 01:03:44,620 --> 01:03:54,340 Case: You can find that everywhere you get your podcast or@certainpow.com just like this show, which you can find@certainpow.com and yeah, tune in next time. 1093 01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:59,060 Case: Oh wait, I didn't give any of my socials on this one, which I probably should. 1094 01:03:59,380 --> 01:04:00,860 Case: You can find me at ksaken. 1095 01:04:00,860 --> 01:04:06,260 Case: You can find me on most social platforms at ksaken except for Instagram where I'm holding on for dear life to my AIM screen name. 1096 01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:12,110 Case: That's Qatal 5Q U E T Z A L C C o a T L5 because I was pretentious in high school. 1097 01:04:12,510 --> 01:04:14,830 JD: The the best username on Instagram, I must say. 1098 01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:15,710 Case: Thank you very much. 1099 01:04:16,910 --> 01:04:18,510 Case: But that is also a Legion of Superheroes. 1100 01:04:18,510 --> 01:04:18,830 JD: Almost. 1101 01:04:18,830 --> 01:04:19,790 JD: Almost as good as. 1102 01:04:20,670 --> 01:04:21,950 JD: Yeah, yeah. 1103 01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:23,470 JD: And almost as good as the la. 1104 01:04:23,470 --> 01:04:24,910 JD: The last social push I'll make. 1105 01:04:24,990 --> 01:04:27,110 JD: I work at a comic and hobby shop. 1106 01:04:27,110 --> 01:04:29,950 JD: Everyone called Geek out in Burleson, Texas. 1107 01:04:30,430 --> 01:04:31,710 JD: Also Mansfield, Texas. 1108 01:04:31,710 --> 01:04:32,470 JD: If you ever want. 1109 01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:35,780 JD: If, if so if you're in the Central Texas area, come by and say hi to me. 1110 01:04:35,930 --> 01:04:36,450 JD: I will talk. 1111 01:04:36,450 --> 01:04:39,130 JD: I will talk to you about comics as long as it's not on the weekend. 1112 01:04:39,130 --> 01:04:41,530 JD: I don't work the weekends anymore, thankfully. 1113 01:04:41,770 --> 01:04:44,330 JD: But, but we're also all over the social medias as well. 1114 01:04:44,330 --> 01:04:46,570 JD: So yeah, come, come talk to. 1115 01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:46,810 JD: Com. 1116 01:04:46,890 --> 01:04:48,170 JD: Come talk to me about comics. 1117 01:04:48,810 --> 01:04:49,290 Case: Yeah. 1118 01:04:49,290 --> 01:04:53,210 Case: Do you want to just give that handle again just in case anyone missed it earlier? 1119 01:04:53,850 --> 01:05:00,010 JD: Yeah, I believe we are just at Geek out or at geekout Tx on Mo. 1120 01:05:00,010 --> 01:05:03,940 JD: We're we're most active on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. 1121 01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:15,420 JD: Our Tick Tock is getting a bit more a push late and we'll have I would say probably by the time this episode drops, we'll have a bit more of a push due to a thing that I ordered because I am the inventory manager. 1122 01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:17,859 JD: I ordered a thing and once. 1123 01:05:17,859 --> 01:05:21,620 JD: Once you see the thing on our Tick Tock, you'll understand why I'm so excited about it. 1124 01:05:21,620 --> 01:05:21,940 JD: So. 1125 01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:23,340 JD: So look out for that Is it. 1126 01:05:23,340 --> 01:05:24,220 Case: A six foot statue? 1127 01:05:24,620 --> 01:05:27,660 JD: No, I. I'll tell you off air, but I want. 1128 01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:29,510 JD: I want the listeners to be surprised by it. 1129 01:05:29,830 --> 01:05:36,550 Case: All right, well, they should tune back into future episodes where you might come on reveal what that surprise was. 1130 01:05:36,790 --> 01:05:37,270 Case: J.D. 1131 01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:38,230 Case: you're always welcome back. 1132 01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:39,590 Case: Thank you so much for coming on. 1133 01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:50,830 Case: And everyone else, tune in next time and we'll be talking about something and I don't know what at the moment because I don't have my calendar open at the moment. 1134 01:05:50,830 --> 01:05:51,510 JD: Time is a lake. 1135 01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:52,310 Case: Time is a lake. 1136 01:05:52,550 --> 01:05:55,750 Case: Anyway, until next time, stay super man. 1137 01:06:03,590 --> 01:06:06,230 Jmike: Men of Steel is a Certain POV production. 1138 01:06:07,030 --> 01:06:09,670 Jmike: Our hosts are J. Mike Folson and Case Aiken. 1139 01:06:10,070 --> 01:06:13,430 Jmike: The show is edited by Sofia Ricciardi. 1140 01:06:13,830 --> 01:06:18,070 Jmike: Our logo is by Chris Bautista, and episode art is by Case Aiken. 1141 01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:20,640 Jmike: Our theme is by Jeff Moonan. 1142 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:25,520 Case: Hey, Jay. 1143 01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:26,240 JD: Hey, Jim. 1144 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,560 Case: You're a fan of the Legion of Superheroes, right? 1145 01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,360 JD: Yeah, I've been reading their adventures for decades. 1146 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:32,520 Case: Me too. 1147 01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,360 Case: It was tough at first with all the characters, but now I think I'm an expert. 1148 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,520 JD: It's not too hard to get into the Legion. 1149 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,440 JD: And to make it even easier, we have a podcast called Long Live the Legion. 1150 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,880 JD: We talk about different aspects of all its history to help you out. 1151 01:06:45,690 --> 01:06:53,690 Case: So whether you're a new reader in the Legion Academy or have your own flight ring or anywhere in between, a Long Live the Legion podcast should be on your playlist. 1152 01:06:58,330 --> 01:07:00,250 Case: Certainpov.com.