How are you doing, everybody?

I'm Ken Bikoff and welcome to the Piagus Postgame Live.

Indiana pisses away an opportunity to beat Kentucky at Rubb Arena, falling seventy two to sixty in a game that they This should not have happened.

Look, this is an Indiana team that has flaws.

We know that, and it's going to live and die with the three pointer, which is fine.

My issue is that this is a team that lacks athleticism.

It lacks speed, and it lacks quickness, and when shots aren't going down, you have to be able to replace that with something, and that's something.

The easiest thing to replace that with is effort.

That is something that you can replace things with.

And the Hoosiers didn't show the effort that they needed and they fall seventy two to sixty eight one two, three, nine three.

Twenty six hundred is our number.

We got a lot to talk about, a lot of positives to talk about too, because obviously Fernando or Mendoza won a Heisman Trophy.

As basketball continues, rather football continues to pick up basketball's slack.

But we've got to focus on Kentucky IU basketball return of the rivalry, which, to be quite honest with you, the rivalry feels different now than it used to than the last time they played.

And I think it's a decade of mediocrity that'll do that when it comes to IU basketball.

There is no heat in this rivalry essentially, and it's because these two teams haven't played in so long.

It could get there again very quickly.

But this also just it felt different to me.

Then maybe maybe it has.

Indiana was out hustled, lacked the effort that you want to see.

And when you go four of twenty four from three point range and you are a three point shooting team, you damn well better start to go into the basket, you start going to the free throw line, have those kind of things happen.

And that's not what Indiana did, get twenty nine free throw attempts.

But by that same token, the lack of anybody who can create their own offense, who can make you can make things happen with the ball in their hands, it's a problem.

It's a problem for this team, and it's going to be a problem for this team.

A frustrating game to watch, if for no other reason than Indiana for much of this game look to be handling things pretty well.

They lead thirty nine thirty two at halftime.

They are they have themselves a nice lead in the second half, as much in the in the second half as what was it as eight points I think it was.

It was at one point it was forty nine to forty two, but they were eight points and they were up forty five thirty seven, and everything fell apart from there.

You know, when you have forty seven points or actually forty nine points with fourteen minutes and eighteen seconds left in this game, and you score eleven points the rest of the way, it's an absolute mess.

And I don't want to hear about it just being about not making threes.

That isn't it.

You know that's part of it, but that ain't it.

You have to go out there and if a ball goes up, you have to want that basketball, no matter what your athleticism is, no matter what your quickness is.

As a team, effort is the one thing you could always control.

And Indiana lacked effort in the second half, especially when the Kentucky started rolling, started getting to the bucket.

Indiana did not respond in any way, shape or form.

We have our first caller, color, have your name, where you're from and what.

You got here from Indianapolis.

Hey, how you doing, buddy?

You know, yeah, I.

Watched this game and I'm really you know, I'm really complacent about how they play.

And yeah, they're not going to hit three, They're not going to beat good teams and number one.

It was a big ass for them to go and rep Aarena and beat them.

But they played well at first, and then it seemed like that the team just like completely fell apart, foul trouble the whole nine yard.

And this game reminds me.

I mean, I'm old enough to know that.

I remember the year Mike Woodson was a senior at IU, and Mike Woodson heard it back in the first half at Reperena and IU was waking number one in the nation.

And I remember that they fell completely apart in the second half.

And IU was up about fifteen points in the first half and they fell completely apart.

And this game reminds me of that.

I mean, this game reminds me, and you know, and I be I'm a big IU fan, you know what I mean, And I've been following them my whole life.

I'm sixty years old.

So so I'm just letting you know that I know IU basketball, but this particular team, if they're not going to hit thirty five threes in the game, they're not going to be good teams.

I mean, they're not going to be good teams.

And you know, and it doesn't help when the guys get in foul trouble.

And I thought that a lot of files were a bunch of b S calls and obviously that you went into the you know, went in to have winning and then they started up like the second half kind of weather the storm and what was doing okay, and then all of a sudden they just completely fell apartment.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, but you can't.

I mean, but I mean people have been crying for four or five years about three point shooting.

But you get what you ask for.

And I mean, and and I understand you you need balance, you need balance, and they don't have the balance.

They don't have the big they don't have the big guys.

And uh, you know, I mean they hit enough bowl shots they played, you know, but and like just turning them all over constantly, you know, just like doing stuff that you know, to be honest with you it's uncharacteristic of how they play it is.

Yeah, I agree, And you know you mentioned the three point shooting.

You want that three point shooting and you're looking for balance, So do you need the bigs?

Yeah, you do.

I understand that.

But what I think, more than anything, this team is lacking is bounce off the floor when the ball is in the air.

They're missing length, they're missing athleticism, and they're also offensively, when you're not making threes, it feels like the offensive stagnates and guys stop moving.

And then you also just completely, almost completely lack a guy who can just go to the bucket and get a basket.

That's what this team is really missing.

Yeah, but they could have won this game, but it was just, I mean, it was just that there was a stretch from like twelve minutes to seven minutes.

Yeah, where they you know, they didn't play well and they were throwing the ball away and then look, I'm just saying, if you got your one of your top scores on the bench, and and I understand he had four files, but you got to play him little bit earlier than that, because he's not gonna get a fifth foul.

He's not gonna get it.

He's not gonna get it because he is not one of the defensive minded guy to where he was drawn at fifth fould.

Yeah.

So, but but you need the offense to spread the floor.

And I mean, I'm gonna tell you, I mean like, I like like, I like Tucker Debres.

I mean, I like him, but I told you that he plays lazy.

I tell you he plays really lazy.

He's really slow.

Uh you know, he can shoot, but you know, but the the whole thing is that we need both of them guys on the floor at the same time, and they don't do that, and they can't do that when they getting them Poul trouble.

And what I think is bizarre here is that, you know, this is an offense that, at times, especially at home, at times, it is incredibly efficient.

You see great movement, you see great ball movement, guys making not you know, setting screens and getting open shots and all of that.

And then you have situations like we've seen we saw here, we saw at Minnesota, where all of a sudden, the ball stops moving, people stop moving, and then you end up, you know, just taking some bad shots and making some bad decisions.

It is really really strange how this team seems to just slow down when shots aren't going well.

I mean, you know, I mean, but one of the biggest thing is that you know, if you watch them, they're playing on the road, right, and I don't think they I don't think they make enough adjustments to understand that they're not in the semi haul and they're not going to get a crowd behind them to uh, to like acuminate them to like, you know, make more great plays on the defensive end, because the defenses where the problem is.

And I'm gonna tell you the defenses that that the interior defense is is like atrocious.

I mean, and there's no way that a six one guard should get down low.

There's no way, and it happens all the time.

And then it doesn't help when they call him sticky tack files And I mean, I mean, this is gonna be one of the years that you know, like I said, I mean, I mean, I'll tell you before a kid, there are an eighteen nineteen win team and maybe squeaking to the tournament at the eight or nine seed or something like that.

And but the addressing need to be done with the beef down low and people cry about having all them guys down low the way Woody ran that offense, which I know agree with that.

I never agree with how he ran an offense.

They just didn't have shooters.

But they need big guys, you know, they don't probably already they didn't probably already hit more three this year than they did the whole last year.

But you need that balance.

I agree completely.

I mean, yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm I mean, this is gonna be a year to where it's gonna be hand scratches.

It's gonna be games.

Number one is that you can't play like that on the road.

Now they playing the UH and if they play in the Semi Hall and they play like that, I would be way more upset.

But but by them being on the road, you can't just play passive.

And they played passive.

And I'm telling you and I keep watching it.

I watched his demeanor.

Tucker Debreez is a he's a good offensive player.

He's like, but he doesn't say, well, this is my team when Wilkerson is on the bench and say I'm going to do this on my own.

You know, I mean, but yeah, you know what I mean.

I hear your frustration.

I hear your ventor there's a bunch of other people on the line that want to uh uh to vent as well.

But you you make great, great points and uh uh yeah.

It's it's frustrating to watch this uh this team not be able to perform at a level that that you need him to.

But I appreciate the call, and uh and I thank you a lot.

No problem, you can't thank you all right?

Take care are you too?

Eight one, two, three, nine three, twenty six hundred is the number we have our next caller.

Caller, if you have your name, where you're from, and what you got.

A can Larry fort Wayne, how you doing by Hey, hey, Larry, how you doing?

I'm good?

You ready for a poem?

Hell yeah, I am all right.

Fernando Mendoza, what a name?

Hoo's your legend?

Heisman Fame, touchdowns, flying, crowd goes wild, Bloomington tears like a happy child.

Then hoops went south.

Chris Kentucky's crew, miscalls, piled up the refs where they knew, whistle silent, patient gone still.

Mendoza's night shone on.

Mendoza wins the Heisman, Golden Bright, Who's your's rule?

The Football Night?

Then Hoops face Kentucky joy goes bad, bad shots, first calls, refs were tragically bad.

Okay, So I first off, great poem, as always, you do a great job with that.

I'm going to talk to you about the premise of the poem because officiating was a lot of tiki tag stuff.

If you're playing on the road, you're going to have that.

I don't think officiating cost Indiana this game, though Indiana still shouts still, Indiana still shout twenty nine free throws.

My issue with this is it isn't an official situation, and you know the previous color complained and there's plenty to complain about.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that that you're not and I'm not even saying that you are blaming the officials for it.

I am appalled by the lack of energy that I saw from this IU team from the fourteen minute mark on.

In the second half, it just was down.

It was two different two different teams.

Yes, eighteen turnovers is uncharacteristic from what we've seen this year, but first half or the second half, we didn't match the energy to your point of the wildcat and on the road you have to amplify that, you have to be twice the energy of the home team, and that wasn't there, and that's something that's controllable and you get.

You get sloppy with it.

You know, this is a team.

It's weird because they are very official with the ball sometimes and then there are times when they're really slopping.

Now, eighteen turnovers is a lot for this team.

It's not something that they've really done a bunch, but this team has a habit of getting their hands on balls and not grabbing it or they are you know, have the ball and they allow it to get poked away and even if they don't lose it, the fact that they're so loose with that with the ball creates opportunities for teams.

So you can bet that that's exactly what teams are going to be talking about.

Is you go in there, you dirty it up a little bit.

This Indiana team is going to start fumbling the ball away because that's what they've done.

And that's how you go into rapp arena and you get out rebounded.

Well, they end up they get it out rebounded fourteen to eight on the offensive boards.

Indiana actually out rebound in Kentucky overall thirty seven thirty four.

But it's on that offensive end that allowed Kentucky to score a lot of points off a second chance points eight teen second chance points for for the Wildcats in this one.

And it has to do with size, but it also has to do with boxing out, just putting a body on somebody and the desire and that.

That's effort to your point, right.

Yeah, absolutely, it's desire and it's energy and it's effort, and that's one thing that uh, just it seems to be lacking, especially away from home.

Yeah, it was one of those nights we hope we get something we can learn from and move forward.

I don't know if they were worried about John Cena's last night wrestling or what, but it was hopefully a learning lesson.

And I'll hang up.

I just wanted to call you know, as an OU fan, we still have something to celebrate tonight with the Heisman, which has never been done, and I would would.

Right that is the bigger story of than There's no question because in twenty years here you're gonna remember I you falling apart in the second half against Kentucky or is that the night that Fernando Mendoza won the Heisman Trophy.

Damn, betch you you're gonna remember your heisman.

Yeah, hey, God blessed.

We'll talk to you soon.

Thanks, thanks a lot eight one, two, three, nine, three, twenty six hundred.

Uh and and this is exactly it.

You know.

Indiana led by seven at halftime, then got almost doubled up in the second half, outscored forty to twenty one, and again scored just eleven points in the last fourteen minutes of the game.

And that is was as much about Indiana's inability to make a three, inability to get to the basket and and make a bucket, and then their lack of speeding athleticism.

We got another call caller, if you have your name, where you're from, and what you got?

Hey, Ken's Kevin for Michigan.

You know the name Kevin.

How are you doing you stay warm?

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, since there's about zero degrees today, there you go.

Uh, just shortened three and two a couple three or four points number one.

And this the officials didn't cost us.

But I will tell you what, why does Scott Dolson whenever we go on the road in non conference always acquiesce and let them have their referees, because when they come into our place non conference, they get the referees there too.

Kentucky kanzas next year he better make sure it is big ten refs and not SEC refs.

When we played Louisville, it was acc ref so and they didn't you know they Yeah, there was a lot of tick.

They let a lot of stuff go.

Didn't cost us the game.

Second thing with him is this, if you noticed in any game we played football wise, you sure signating when he had a problem with officials, he let them know about it.

And it was not a i'll talk to you quietly.

He went after them big time.

If you remember it.

I think it was Oregon when he went out in the middle of the field.

I know the official Travinsky's from middle of that game, referee, and I saw him in town and he told me, yeah, by a mistake.

We looked at the video board and we saw that was passing the French clear.

I said, yeah, because he was in your face twenty three years in the field and he didn't flag him.

And he said, because we screwed up.

Okay, Now what happened after that?

Two things happened.

His players knew he's got my back.

I'm going to play ball and keep my mouth shut, and you could see that.

I have yet to see Darren Devrees protect his players period.

Tonight was a perfect night.

He should have gone after them and taken a technical file and rip them.

And you notice you're right.

Everything the second half backed off.

I think part of it is is players are looking at him, going what's going on here?

And he didn't do anything about it.

Nothing shame on him in all, honestly, shame on him.

People may not like Bobby Knight, but and you and I both knew it.

In a game like this night, you know where Bobby Knight had been right, he'd have been out there going after people to let him know he was going to public his craft.

If Darren de Rees is not going to protect his players, it's going to lead to more problems.

It's going to lead to the guys getting technicals.

And that's on Darren period.

The third thing is this Evan putting out a side officials right now.

This team is weak.

They're physically weak, They're not strong at all.

They get balls knocked out of their hands easily.

I mean easily, Okay, that is on the strength of conditioning people.

He's gonna have to change his staff and get somebody in there that knows what the hell they're doing, because you can this.

I mean, these guys are weak.

And we're not talking about first year players.

We're talking about guys that are We're one of the oldest teams in the league.

Right But let me let me let me point something out.

I don't disagree with you.

They are they are a physically weak team.

They are not a strong team.

Building those guys takes time, as in years over time.

And I ask you, where did these guys come from?

What is the roster that I don't know?

It's It's it's North Florida, It's Davidson, it is Sam Houston State, it is De Paul, it is Troy, it is Elon.

These are the places that the players have come from.

So when they go out you see them go out there.

Just because it says Indiana on their chest doesn't mean that they haven't had mid major experiences to this point.

And to me, in some of these games, especially away from home, they play like it well and and and.

I don't disagree with that, but what what what?

But the Big ten teams are gonna do RUSS.

They're gonna beat us up.

Sure, I mean, there's no doubt aout.

Theyre gonna beat us up.

They're gonna knock us down.

They're gonna uh They're going to uh uh, I mean physically abuse us.

And we don't have any answer for that, Reed Bailey.

I mean, you know, I was glad that he got yanked out of the game arly tonight.

I think Darren it's had it with him.

And I'm honestly, I mean, he he doesn't rebound anything he did?

Did he score anything tonight?

He did not?

He did.

He played eight minutes, he grabbed one rebound, missed his only shot, had a turnover, and three finals and eight minutes.

Yep, and and and you know, I mean, and he wasn't the only one, I mean, but but he was an example.

So I don't know what they're gonna do.

I don't know in this group who comes back next year.

But you can't get them the weight room now.

But I'll tell you what, as soon as see's over, they better have their backsides in the weight room and they better be there about thirty five hours a day because we I mean Louisville physically beat the hell out of US Minnesota.

They beat the hell out of us that night.

That's why we lost that game.

And the last thing I would say is this what I have a problem with, and I agree with whatever's saying, is when you're getting physically challenged and you don't respond, you don't step up, I have a problem with that.

That's a bothersome thing to me.

You know, you may not be.

As physically tough as there, but you can you know what you can get in their face at hand.

You know what get tough if you get a couple of hart foules, but take some hart foules.

Send the message back and we're not seeing any of that is this is the not only the weakest physical team I ever seen in the air, but it's also the least responsive team to physical way.

You know, just make that high here, I know I do.

I hear it.

I hear it, and and you know, let you go, all right.

I appreciate it, Thank you so much.

Yea.

Yeah.

Again, when you look at the makeup of the roster, he said, I don't know how many of these guys are going to be back.

And writ's a senior Bailey's a senior, Alexis is a senior, Wilkerson is a senior, Connorway is a senior, Debriz is a senior.

The only guy that's in the rotation right now that is not a senior is Nick Dorn, who's a junior, and Trent Sisley, who's a freshman.

In other words, this is a roster that was put together.

It feels like to get through this season and had to be cobbled through and there are some good things along the way, but you know, it is that is something that is interesting.

Appreciate the call.

Thank you so much.

Eight one, two, three, nine, three, twenty six hundred is a number.

Next caller, Welcome to the show, and thank you.

You've been waiting so patiently for fifteen mins.

It's thank you, thank you.

Well, I've been waiting for fifteen minutes.

But it's been longer than that since Indiana has had success in the basketball court.

Yeah long, it feels like longer than that.

Yeah, it's that.

Michael, Southwest, Florida.

Yeah, got bad news and good news.

Bad news is that this is just a roster fall.

This has nothing to do with energy, It's got nothing to do with officiating, this is just all the team's not that good.

We've really got two good players, only one of which is slow, the other one of which is just getting used.

To all this.

Nobody that can beat their defender off the dribble really other than Wilkerson and Connorway, no height.

The entire rosters just incredibly flawed.

Alexis isn't bad, Bailey's been a disappointment.

You've maybe got three to four high major players and Wilkerson, Devrees, Connorway at times, and then Alexis.

The rest of the roster is flawed, although dor is starting to show some highlights and so so Cisly, but they're not quite ready just yet.

So all that's bad news.

A lot of work to go in the portal this next year.

I mean, it's basically going to be an entirely new team next year.

Hopefully Deriez is realized he's the major guys not working.

Good good news is I'm going to the Rose Bowl.

Good for you, you know, with the looking at this roster and how it was put together and everything that goes along with it.

You know, it's the mid major part of this that he it seems that Debries focused on his assistant coaches and brought in the talent that he had to try to get them through the season.

And so you bring in guys that you're piecing together a roster, and there are times when they're very, very efficient, but there are also times when it's just, you know, it's it's hard to watch because of that lack of athleticism, speed, quickness, and if you don't have the energy when you're out there.

Any team that has a pile of athletes on it is going to give you a problem, or any team that's physical.

And so you have a team that obviously loses at Minnesota and did not look good.

And then you throw in the fact that Indiana comes back to Assembly Hall and puts one hundred and thirteen points on Penn State.

It's a very different team home and away.

Yeah, they've shown flashes.

I think that's that's what's crazy.

The season started out really showing some flashes of grades they had.

They looked really good against Penn State and now, granted and State went horrible too, But but this is not a normal Kentucky team.

This is a bad Kentucky team.

They didn't even look good tonight.

It just a bad It's a bad loss.

This should have been a if you're going to be Kentucky at Rup, this was the year to do it.

And uh, it's just it just you look at it.

You know.

Obviously, Brandham's gonna be good in a couple of years, a couple decent signees for next year.

But the say what debris is gonna have some pressure on himself in the portal this year.

He's gonna have to really deliver.

I mean, he's gonna have some pressure to get some players.

It's a program in transition and that and that is something that we can't overlook it all.

I mean, it's a program in transition.

It's completely starting from scratch, and starting from scratch in April when he was hired.

And that's that's the toughest part.

The toughest part.

No, he he got a late start.

Took him a long time to get assistant coaches.

You know.

Also, I don't know if he's you know, been and maybe at this level to be in those rooms to get the quality of player we need.

I think obviously this year will help him in that regard.

But we're in for We're gonna have some games like tonight, there's gonna be some rough ones, but you know, if we're hitting, we can play with anybody.

Wilkerson's fourth file just absolutely killed.

If Wilker Center Debris are in trouble, it just there's just really nobody else that can score.

Yeah.

Well, I appreciate the phone call.

And it's gonna be up and down all season, but you know, it is, it is what it is.

We got to deal with it because Eric Coordinate walking through the door.

Walking through the door.

So you know, I watched a clip on Instagram this week of Ola Depot, maybe his senior year, and you forget how electric he was.

It made me realize, oh man, these guys that are on our team this year, they do not compare to Ola Depot.

No, not even a little bit.

So thanks Ken.

I appreciate it.

He's exactly right.

I mean, Indiana's didn't get, you know, a lot of help from its bench in this one.

They didn't get a lot of help from uh, you know, Connor en Wright never is much of an factor offensively, so it's it's frustrating.

Got another collar caller, if you every name, where you're from, and what.

You got.

Ten, it's Eric Pankowski.

How's it going, Eric?

It's not going well.

It was going great earlier.

Tonight was good.

But yes, I had the victory cigar.

I call it the Heisman cigar.

I hope you get to smoke one soon.

That was great.

And then it started all right.

I was like, you know what, this Kentucky team sucks.

I mean, they don't run anything good.

Mark Pope is supposed to be this offensive genius.

Their offense looked like diarrhea.

They were terrible, terrible, and we went up by seven, went up by nine.

At some point I was like, we got this game.

And then it just all went to the shitter.

And I apologies for my language.

I don't know for an adult only here, but I'll try to clean it up.

Hey, say, whatever the hell you want to, We're good.

I like what the last caller had to say.

This is a roster construction problem more than anything, and it is a singular problem, which is just this team is built to win one way.

I should even say, compete one way.

Hit a lot of threes at a good clip.

It's like they've got it.

It's not even that they can't go four for nine, which is a good percentage.

They got to go you know.

Ten for twenty three, ten for twenty five, twelve for thirty, Like they have to shoot a lot and at a good clip.

And we knew that going in.

But the one thing I want to push back on here is this whole idea that like this was a roster put together just to get through this year.

Is that what they said a Michigan last year when Dusty May was hired in April?

No, what Mark Pope was hired when Mark Pope was high as their X number of choice, like their fifth choice to hire, or Pat Kelsey was hired as the seventh.

Choice at Louisville.

No, Darren Devrees was hired at Indiana to win right away.

And you know this because they paid West Virginia I think six million dollars seven million dollars to buy him out of that contract.

They committed to Darren a high nil.

They gave Darren between ten and twelve million dollars to spend on this roster.

If this roster.

Isn't good enough to win this year.

It's because he didn't buy the right guys.

Like that's the truth.

We're paying Lamar Wilkerson over two million dollars a year.

Or not a year.

We're paying him over two million dollars this year.

We had plenty of money to build a.

Team that should be competitive.

I mean, we we can't just excuse it away.

I like that everybody I've talked to, I'm.

Not excusing it away.

I'm not excusing it away.

My thing is, I think that you that this was a situation where it was let's bring these guys in.

We're going to try to win.

If we could hit a lot of threes, that's the way it's going to do it.

But I feel like it's it was almost like a focus was put on assistant coaches and getting that crew in to give you give like the a foundation while we'll get through this year.

I don't know that that's what what it went through.

But when you're talking about where these guys came from a lot of times on the road, on the on the time on the road, they play like they are from mid major programs, and that's where they were.

I totally agree with your assessment there when you were listening where they came from.

They're small, they're not athletic enough, they're not big enough, they're not.

Long enough, like all those things.

That's why they were at the places they were at right, Like sometimes you find a diamond in the rough.

Sometimes there's a Yaxel Lendenborg that just goes crazy sometimes to the rule not the rule right, And the rule is is that there's a reason why they're at mid majors.

And these kids play hard.

They're playing hard.

Connor Enwright plays his ass off.

He's just not at the level of being able to compete with super athletic guys that are six' four ye that he's trying to.

Guard but my problem is the roster, construction because, LOOK i almost wish that if he realized at a certain, Point i'm not gonna get the power for top, ends then all the money should have been spent on just a bunch of young guys and see if you could what do you have in those young guys overpay for freshmen and, sophomores which we could land because we were the highest bidder for some of.

These and we could have been the highest bidder for freshmen and sophomores because they don't make as much money, typically and we could see like who could be the guy next?

Year because as you were reading off the list, rightfully so we're gonna have to build a whole new team next, year and we have no idea who's gonna.

Stay of the guys we haven't seen much Of, ristic and you, know all these other guys that we haven't even, seen we have no idea if they're going to.

Stay we have no idea If darren wants them to.

Stay but what we do know is that the starting five is gone, again, right all, gone like all the, production with the exception Of, doran who has shown.

Flashes but, again you think you'll be able to keep, Them you don't, Know and we also don't know how consistent he will.

Be BUT i just don't understand the roster.

Construction we talked about it on our podcast a lot as it was.

Happening it was a team built around one.

Thing they're going to have to shoot a ton of threes and shoot them.

Well and now we see when we don't shoot threes, well we can't.

Compete and this is a game tonight that we could have.

Won kentucky was awful, well and when we were up by, seven we should have been up by.

Fifteen and that's the thing is you were you say that we could we can't.

Compete you were up by s on the road with fourteen minutes to.

Go you have competed to that.

Point keep it up And i'll give it damn If Lamar wilkerson is you, know out of the lineup all that you have to find other ways to be able to.

Win and you've got a bunch of veteran guys that have had to win games in a bunch of different.

Ways For god's, sake you, know play with energy and compete and and and look inside yourself to go ahead and keep cap your energy.

Level, okay but ken to your, point you don't have a bunch of guys who have competed in one at a big.

Level we got guys from.

But they they've played a lot of basketball, though.

Oh, no they've played a lot of, basketball but most of them have played losing.

Basketball Lamar wilkerson didn't win shit at Sam Houston.

State elon was.

Terrible that was.

It North, florida where we got two of our, guys was.

Terrible the only guy that we got that won was Was.

Tucker that was the only guy that's that Was and by the, way right when we needed big shots tonight and when we needed big shots Against louisville and he had some open shots he didn't hit.

Them, yeah like there were key moments where he did hit.

Him but most of our guys are not from winning.

Programs they're.

Not they're from programs where they played a.

Lot but maybe now we're finding out why they.

Did we're able to play a lot and we're just stat.

Hunters and it has nothing to do with.

Effort they play.

HARD i have no problem with the.

Effort they're just not good.

ENOUGH i do agree with.

You what's so infuriating about tonight is we should have won tonight even with everything that.

Happened but then you look at a full forty minute, game and it happened Against, louisville and it happened Against minnesota in a full forty minute.

Game when you end up looking at the, stats if that three point number is not a big positive for us compared to the other, team and that's where you get your, differential it is hard to see how this team wins.

Games, yeah because they that is the way that they.

Score they don't do a good job of getting to the.

Bucket nobody can create their own, offense WHICH i mean, no you have.

To you have to run sets and game guys open and you look at the Way indiana was running sets Against Penn, state and you look at the way that they are running him in the second half Against kentucky, today and the movement was a completely different, level and just the sets that they were running were completely different in that Against and it was athleticism From kentucky that really created an.

Issue.

YEAH i, mean, LOOK i don't Think barkley is like the smartest.

ANALYST i think he's entertaining his.

Health but he was right in the second.

Half they just beat us.

Up they just put the ball on the rim and went and got.

It and, again, yes you can talk about rebounding his, effort but we're giving.

Effort but at a.

Certain, point when You're Tucker, debrison you're six seven and don't have a vertical leap and you're not that quick or, strong and you're going up against the guy who's six' ten with a forty inch, vertical leap you're going to lose that battle if that guy's playing, Hard Too and kentucky.

Played hard they, played hard.

And you got to put a body periat you do?

YOU do i just this one hurts because we were up and we had a chance to really win this game and then it all, went AWAY and i just the frustrating, THING is i just don't see how this team improves drastically over the course of a year the way you want to see a team, do it unless they just have games where they shoot the, lights out Like Against.

Penn, state WELL and i want to see them bring a consistent level of energy Away From, assembly hall because you know they.

Play hard non they play hard, at times Especially At.

Assembly hall.

They do But, against Minnesota, against louisville we say this is a theme that is popping up depending.

On where when they're Not At, assembly hall when they're not feeding off of, THAT crowd i see a difference in their, energy level and it's it's not.

A, positive well.

THAT'S interesting i CAN'T say i.

See that i'm not saying that.

YOU'RE wrong i don't see a lack of effort on the road.

OR home i see a lack of the ball going in.

THE basket i see a lack.

Of athleticism and look when another team there's a reason it's called the home.

Court advantage you do get, better calls you do.

Get adrenaline basketball can be a contagious sport when things are, rolling well and the cloud is.

Behind you the rim looks wider than the, normally looks BUT don't i don't fault.

THE energy i Even, think darren who seems to be a pretty, HONEST guy i think it was After the.

LOUISVILLE game i don't remember who.

Asked him maybe it.

WAS you i don't know if it was you can who, asked him but he, even, SAID like i thought our mindset was good, coming IN and i thought we.

Played hard we just.

Didn't EXECUTE and i just don't think this is a team that can execute other than.

Shooting threes if they, go in we're going to look good if.

They don't it's like you play?

Fantasy football can or have?

You ever?

Of, course OKAY so i haven't played a, few years BUT when, i played it was all about when you're drafting, the team what is my team going to be better than the other team at what stat?

What POSITION am i going to be so much better that that's where my point differential is going to come in and win fantasy?

Football?

Games right so in this, in basketball it, is, like okay are you going to get to the free throw line?

A ton like The?

Old BOBBY and i teams shoot more free throw make more free throws than the other.

Team, Attempts right is it going.

To be we're great in.

The post is it going to be we're a great second, chance team second?

Chance points are we going to be a great?

Transition team we are none of those things except, three, Pointers right and if there is no differential in the three point line between us and the, other team there's no other area for us to make it up because we don't have the talent to.

Do it, RIGHT now i don't disagree, with it good.

And simple and it's upsetting because in a game, like tonight when things weren't really falling for us and we were still, up seven it's just we couldn't sustain it for a forty.

Minute, game yeah, you know we just couldn't.

Sustain it it's really FRUSTRATING because I hate KENTUCKY and i hate everything, they're about and they have a twenty two million dollars roster that look like, little diarrhea and we couldn't.

Beat, them yeah and that is the.

Frustrating THING but i will, say that, you, KNOW again i thought that early in the game they did they did just a better job of working to get, open shots have some back cuts that allowed them to score at, the rim and as time went on.

That STOPPED and i don't know If if kentucky just decided that they wanted to uh that they they were playing a little, bit harder a little.

Bit quicker we're trying to anticipate a little, bit more and we didn't adjust whatever.

IT was i Felt like indiana's energy, level dropped Especially after kentucky went on that run And erased.

Indiana's lead that, you know diving for balls and doing all that, is great but it is if you don't have the size and you damn well better go put a body on somebody and get them away from the bucket and do what you need to do to.

Get boards and when you, grab them grab them with two hands and grab them strong and.

Play strong and that isn't Something that indiana did very well all tonight.

AT all i think that's.

ALL fair i would just, ask you how much of that do you?

Think is we basically play what?

Seven?

Guys right we play seven guys by bringing We Bring reed bailey off the bench now and we bring We bring Cisly, and doran so we play, eight guys but we play it most of, our guys, you know we basically play seven guys most of, the, game right how much of it is just, the time, you know like we don't have gept to spell guys well at.

The end of, the game because we are ten games into the season and eleven games into, the season and these guys have ALL again i, don't care at the level that they've, played at they've.

All played, you know you have a pile of seniors and red shirt seniors and guys that they they've been through the grind of a.

Season before, and yeah you might be playing against, tougher teams but still you're also twenty two years old and very early in the season for you to be getting, real tired Especially since indiana, last played, you know didn't played what Was, that wednesday so you had a few days to, get Yeah.

LAST tuesday i.

HEAR you i.

Hear you but when you're starting from an athleticism deficiency and the size deficiency and you play a forty minute game against a team, that's, bigger, stronger faster it's just over, forty minutes it wears, on you okay, And left but.

Then what is the answer to that if you're.

You're lacking there is.

There isn't well.

There isn't at the, Very least you've got to control, the pace and so you have to make sure that You're not you have a better shot selection than the, other team which also had a terrible.

Shot selection you got to take to make sure that.

EACH possession i agree.

WITH that i agree.

WITH that i think we take some.

Silly, THREES yes i mean we are so three happy And and darren has given these guys the green light.

From everywhere but there are times when a twenty seven foot three on the move just.

A turnover it's just.

A TURNOVER and i agree with.

YOU there i THINK we I think tucker's a really.

Smart player he's got a pretty HIGH.

BASKETBALL iq I Think connor enwright's got a HIGH.

Basketball iq he's just overmatched physically in every game that.

He, plays basically but you've got to be a, super smart efficient team that knows like there's no such thing as a.

Heat check heat checks and the most selfish plays.

In basketball they're the most selfish plays.

In basketball if it's a, good shot you.

Take it if it's not a shot you wouldn't take with the game on, the line don't take It treat i'm thinking Back To fernando mendoza in his press conference that, was done you know about leading up To, the heisman where he Talked about signetti and how, Oh no.

I'm sorry it was after, the game After The ohio, state game where he talked about the Genius of signetti is that every play is the game on, the, line right.

Every play that's how you have to treat it and heat checks and so some of the threes that we take are clearly not us valuing.

A possession, They're.

Not AND so i agree.

WITH you i think that's a great point that if you don't have the athleticism and you don't have the size and the strength and, the debt every, possession matters and we do not value the possessions offensively the way.

WE should i agree.

WITH that i.

Agree totally, All.

Right ken good talking.

TO you i needed to get something off my chest after.

WATCHING that i.

Was infuriated so thank You For misery love's.

Company, tonight hey.

Happy to be.

A.

Therapist, appreciated eric.

Are you coming To The?

ROSE bowl i.

DON'T believe i, am no but you guys are.

Going to.

We're going to have fun and for, anybody listening we are going to if, you're coming we're going to do.

An event we're going to announce It.

On monday we're partnering Up with PEG's going to do an Event in Pasadena On New year's eve the morning.

And afternoon details.

To.

FOLLOW fantastic i appreciate looking forward.

To it, Take, Care thanks.

Take Care eric pankowski From The hoosio hysterics podcast that he has got a ton of thoughts and a ton of a ton of fun to talk to, and uh it's a smart guy when it comes to.

Basketball too appreciate him.

Calling in got another, caller here caller for, every name where, you're from and what You, got.

Hey This is Joey From.

Huntington, ken uh good and, Bad tonight good and.

Bad, tonight right.

That's that is the theme of.

The, Night yes.

So just was calling in thinking along the lines of a.

Coach here, YOU know i think there's some Things that eric.

Just said obviously he took up a lot of time on.

THE line i think there's some things he said that in that much time on the phone that obviously everybody has to.

Agree, With right we're not the most Deep team we're not the most.

Physical team we rely heavily on.

The THREE but i wanted to just give a couple of counterpoints, as well where maybe some things that, You know I'd get eric's emotional but but a little bit of a negative Tone to eric's CALL that i would throw a couple of things.

To him, so first, You know i've been Listening to eric bitch about our roster construction, for years and the reality is he also mentioned that players that are playing at, mid majors if they actually transition to the Major conferences, power five there are a diamond in.

The, ROUGH well i would also argue That coach signetti is a diamond in.

The rough to turn things around as quick as, HE did i think we've got to be a little.

PATIENT here, i, MEAN yes i Understand coach debrees had a lot of money at, his disposal but we.

Fired everybody We Fired, calbert cheney We Fired.

Jordan holes and with the nature of college, basketball today you don't have four years to recruit.

A guy you have four weeks to recruit.

A guy you get what you, can get even with all the money and the deep pockets.

We, Have yes so, you, know yes is roster.

Construction, perfect no is roster construction ever going to?

Be?

Perfect no if We Called todd golden, right now would roster construction?

Be perfect.

Probably not if we called, You Know, tommy woyd his roster, Construction, perfect no it's pretty, damn good but it's.

Not, perfect, Like.

Yeah dusty may has done a, great job But Maybe dusty may is the diamond in.

The rough maybe he's in.

The minority like maybe we have a really, good coach but we can't expect a perfect roster construction.

Right away so that's my first kind, Of, Like hey I've heard eric say this for, years Now and woodson's rosters were not great and his style.

WASN'T great i think the style.

IS better i think these guys, compete harder and so even if the roster's, Not perfect i'm gonna give them some credit.

For, THAT well.

I know and here's the thing.

On it it.

Is you as he was going through this process of building, this roster there are a couple of things at that are.

In play as Far as.

I'm concerned his focus was being sure to get the assistant coaches that he, wanted here to get, them here and then you have players who are.

To, siting well WHERE do i want?

To go, and yeah dollar signs, Are important it's not not that like.

They aren't but WHO am i going to be?

Playing with what are the?

Other players who are they going?

To, be yep?

You KNOW will i fit?

With them how will?

That work well it's.

Taking longer who's who's going to be my?

Assistant, coaches well, Screw it i'll Go and i'll go TO where i already know where.

Things Are, uh, so.

Yeah we had a lot.

OF unknowns i feel like like it was let's set that foundation of assistant coaches and set the foundation of, a program and then we could bring in a bunch of guys that, are older who, have played who hopefully will be able to pick up on things QUICKLY while i build my recruiting base here in the in the State, of INDIANA as i build everything that goes ALONG with, iu basketball show them how that how, we play and then throw that in with.

The resources, to me this is again a team, in transition a program, in transition and so being Able, to yeah you have a lot of money at your at, your disposal let's shoot a lot.

Of threes but this is how we have to win.

This year as we build for, THE future i am willing to go ahead and you know can see that that may be part of.

This, Equation YEAH.

And I think signetti was a little different in that he brought all OF his jmu players with him where.

You know and this is maybe the ONE knock i have on on, coach divrees as if you look at a roster there's not one Player From west virginia, that, Said man i'm going to follow.

That, guy again that's not necessarily a blatant knock on, coach diverrees but, you know a lot of times when, coaches move.

PLAYERS follow.

I guess i suppose you could if you Don't.

Count tucker there's not a Player From, west virginia.

Which Well And connor enright Played for Tucker At.

Drake okay fair enough there.

As well so that's that's my first POINT is i don't think we can expect A coach signetti situation right away HERE because i Think, coach signetti To to, eric's point is the diamond in the Rough and Well against destruction is never going to.

Be perfect Nobody Gets.

Kurt signetti so that's that's a.

TOUGH comparison, i mean you all we have is that a guy that has had the most successful two years in rebuilding a program from nothing then in the history of.

College FOOTBALL so i mean.

That one, is again there's what three hundred and fifty college teams and there's one coach of.

The, Year right so so then my second point to kind Of contradict eric is this idea of our identity is.

Shooting threes i'm gonna go back and think about things That the hoosier hysterics has said over.

The, Years Right.

Archie, miller's teams they were supposed to have pack line defense as.

Their, identity well they ended up having no identity because they weren't, good offensively and they weren't, good defensively and they just felt like they threw straws at stuff every.

Single Year mike, Woodson's teams i'm not sure they necessarily had a, True identity but if they had, an identity it was we're going to play, two bigs which is a, terrible identity and we're gonna pump the ball inside and not have a very.

Fun.

OFFENSE right i don't know if living and dying by the three is an identity that is the best strategy in the, World always but IF if i do, my mass you know three is worth more.

Than two and if you look at the metrics of, college basketball three point shooting teams win.

A lot.

It's not the worst identity in the world to, Have NECESSARILY so i.

Get it we didn't hit.

SHOTS tonight i think the ball didn't.

Move tonight if you look to our assist the, turnover ratio you know we are at our best when the.

Ball moves, you know the games where we have a lot of assists on field goals.

Are great that didn't.

Happen tonight and, So yeah i'm Gonna challenge eric a little bit on, the, identity like there are worse identities to have than being a three point.

Shooting team and we've also been a team in recent years that had no.

Freaking.

Identity no and my thing too is that being a three point shooting team is, an identity and it could be a.

Fine identity the issue is you need to be able to balance that then with having one or two guys that can create off the bounds when they.

Need to, you know you don't need a guy who's, hunting shots but certainly you have to be able to create off the bounds and then you need a little bit of size inside that's going to be able to uh rebound the ball when you.

Miss it and so that to me is something that is missing.

This year is, that athleticism that guy that That That DeVante green type who could take the ball and go to the bucket and get a get a basket Or A Jalen, hood chafino which is OBVIOUSLY an nba.

LOTTERY pick i, Understand that but just somebody who can create their own offense that.

Is missing and then you are Missing The omar ballo or the Uh the malik renew who could get the rebound and score off.

A putback that balance is what.

Is, missing yeah you took the words right out of.

My mouth right.

THE example, I mean I think i could do the same thing as.

You can Right The shining star example that to Me Was, Zach, Edy Right zach edy freed up his shooters like an.

ABSOLUTE beast, i mean it might have been one of the most underrated things that he was able to do because you had to pay so much attention.

To him, underneath that that's certainly going to leave somebody.

Open outside and if you have a big who's a.

Good passer then that's going to open up.

Some THINGS and i think we don't have that.

RIGHT now I mean i've been critical every single Week With red bailey and you, know again, you know somebody saw somebody in the, chat say, you know he's not, rebounding enough and somebody said he wasn't built.

For rebounds, YOU know i look at that, and go if you're, six' ten you're.

BUILT to rebound i don't care if you're A stretch for i don't care, if you're thin like you have a height advantage, over you know most people.

On the floor you should be averaging more than three or four rebounds A game whatever.

Bailey is averaging, and so yeah we don't have that post presence that that is intimidating that people have to key on that then.

Freeze up shooters and then, TO your point i THINK the phrase i, WOULD use is i don't think we have.

A Game breaker taking connorway maybe can be, a GAME breaker but i don't think we have.

A game breaker a guy who can, just you know, like you said get to, the basket athletic maybe even just say can.

Mess things, UP you know I think If i think DeVante was.

A good Choice I think troy williams was a great choice right, At His best troy williams was awesome.

AT his Worst I cussed troy.

Williams to death we don't have that guy, in any way, shape Or form and connorway has, streaks Of it but i'm not sure.

He's, completely, THERE yeah no i agree.

With that completely there are times when he can get.

To the basket, to his credit he, doesn't hunt shots even though he's one of the guys that is quick enough to be able.

To do that but it is, an unselfish team almost to, a fault sometimes especially in a.

Game like this my bigger issue was just how sloppy they were, with the ball how, the movement stopped how when they when that lead, Started getting away and that's.

That's.

Really, frustrating YEP well can i ask you last time just to have a little fun after a?

NIGHT like this i asked, you last time if We had, a hoosier's victory if you were going to Drink some?

Double?

Oak tonight uh do you drowned some sorrows And some double?

Oak tonight still or is that just an every night?

Type of thing?

What happens tonight.

For you tonight.

Nothing happens tonight that's this is uh not gonna to get.

Into.

ANYTHING tonight uh i sat in my garage earlier today with my wife and just, had the door the door of the garage open and we watched the snowfall because it's snowing like Hell.

Here in bloomington watched the snowfall, a LITTLE bit and i.

Had uh uh we had done some coffee with a little.

Bit of h, bailey's in IT and then I had a guinness and that was that was good.

Enough for today, so, all RIGHT well well i was about five may ultras during the game and that was.

Enough FOR me And i think i'm gonna have to turn in.

EARLY tonight too i might be up plowing some snow early.

IN the morning i DON'T drink what I right before i'm gonna go.

On the air that's just has always been my.

Role THAT way if i, say ANYTHING stupid THEN i can't i, can't, even say, WELL you know, I you know i shouldn't have.

HAD those drinks i Know that if, i'm an idiot it is pure ken bike off.

Being, a jackass yeah the professionalism of this.

Show is unmatched can let me just, tell, you.

Okay yeah yeah When you tell eric he can say whatever he wants to, on the internet you.

Better be careful you might have some s bombs.

Coming your way can.

THE fact that i haven't been angry enough to drop some of myself we're?

On The internet did jo?

Piss on?

It SO well can i?

APPRECIATE the time i appreciate you taking my call and have.

A good evening thank, you so.

Much.

Appreciate, it, yep, hey, one, two, three nine three twenty six hundred.

Is the number uh we now we'll go.

Ahead and pit but we finally got through all, of OUR calls which i just love all the phone calls so.

Very very much, AND you know i haven't even Really Talked about fernando Mendoza Winning the.

Heisman trophy today all the focuses on, basketball right now, which that's fine.

It should be we have plenty of time To.

Talk about fernando, But right now i'm gonna Go ahead and i'm going, to bring us bring You Head coach darren davrees during his.

Postgame press conference looks Like He's with tucker divrees as, Well during this so without, any further Ado here Is tucker and darren during their.

Postgame, Press conference.

Okay.

I've got questions please hold your hand up and we WILL get the wows microphone to.

YOU right, Then, i guess darren sort of another night where it feels like.

It's just, Over you're sorry it just kind of.

Gets difficult to really break down and a phone and, off the dribble kind of get that inside out and sort of paint touch to three looks you want JUST like, what i guess are you guys?

What's not happening there's what's just kind of sort of failing at the source offensively when.

That's.

NOT working yeah i thought, the first, half you, know we did we got some, pretty good action.

PRETTY good movement i thought, the second, Half, you know, kentucky you know certainly turned up the pressure and was able to get into us and, and you.

Know we didn't we didn't respond well enough and, we you know turned the ball.

Over too much and in, live live ball turnovers against against them are are really hard because now that now they're, out of transition, playing in space, so you know the turnovers in, THE offensive rebound i mean that that foot the game around.

That, second, half.

Yeah yeah for both, of you guys but that that stretch there five turnovers and it was five or six possessions and they had a.

Bunch of cutbacks what was?

The problem there why so many turnovers?

And short stretch did you feel and why did you guys struggle to keep them?

On?

THE boards yeah i thought, the the turnovers it was a combination OF things, that i, thought you know we left our feet.

A few times i thought, we just, uh you know got on our heels a little bit and didn't didn't play as discipline as.

We needed, to you know, it's it's, that you know the crowd got cranked.

Up with things that that's the time where you got to really dig in a.

Little bit more your screen's.

Gotta be better you gotta to play on for.

Two.

Feet more uh and then, the offensive, rebounds you know they just they just went, and got them and, and you know we didn't do a good enough job of creating space and getting bodies and going and securing the ball exactly, a, second.

One coach what do you think you need to?

Improve on it these teams do prove on against ball pressure at the.

Point, of attack yeah the number one thing when when, you get it ball pressure is is everything from, an execution standpoint, a movement standpoint it's just gotta be done.

With.

More force uh you can't continue to just get pushed out and.

And.

Everybody stands uh so you have to find ways to to to give yourself up with, the back cut give yourself up.

With, a screen uh set up those screens, with more force, and you know and get get some movement, to you know even if, it's you know they got in the head and we we started to break it off.

A little bit once we, got movement again we were able to get those those clean looks.

Or.

Better, Books, uh so uh it's some way you gotta.

Get Better, at that's uh, there's No Question.

Brother daniel tucker your individual line tonight was.

WAS really great i mean your.

Effort was fantastic fifteen.

POINTS seven rebounds a lot of the three point shots tonight didn't go down like they normally Do.

For the hoosiers what do you what do you?

Think that is was it just not seeing the?

Basket as well was?

It the defense was it not in the offense where you were?

Getting?

Clean looks uh, To, be honest uh making THE missing shots i thought tonight honestly.

WASN'T our, Problem, i KNOW uh certainly i did not shooting great that much.

As a team we didn't shoot that great well yet.

Either from three, but you know even with, THAT BEING said i i think there were certain areas that we needed to be a, lot better at uh.

As a, group and uh if we, were able, to you know especially in, the second half execute, IN those, areas, i think uh that would have made up for for some of those, uh you know shooting habits and miscuse and, but you know make making a missus shot.

Sometimes AS basketball but i thought in, the other areas if we can, just you know he's there a, little, bit more uh they would.

Save the lot do you know the JOSH on that i guess it if shots maybe weren't the uh, you know problem what kind of was?

DO you think i mean he he hit on a pretty good the turnovers And obviously the dolphins reubnds that had especially in, THE second, half, i mean, UH you know i take full responsibility for for both.

Of, those areas, uh you, know, uh obviously uh four turnovers is.

Far, too many uh you know, AS a, group, i think uh when they when they pick, UP the pressure i think we just need, to you know really focus on our execution a, little bit, more you know.

On, every possession uh but you.

Know that's something the good thing is we get a good week here before we play a game, to you know, really you know dial in on some of those areas that we've, uh you know maybe lacked in the.

The beginning, season But gosh THE trevor coach i think it was Minus nine when lamar went off the floor with.

That fourth foul what about the wrong offensively and in that span That that got kentucky back.

In, THE game.

YEAH i don't i don't remember the, exact sequences, there but, uh you Know not having lamar out there is is is certainly a big part of our offense in, the and uh you know his his file trouble the night certainly limited him with only twenty one minutes cause he was, again he's, uh you know a big focal piece of of what we try to run.

Our offense through, SO YOU know i i believe during that that little stretch that he, wasn't out there that's when the the turnovers started to happen and we weren't able to get, into you know maybe it's as some in the actions the way we needed to.

Divers, That, back uh darren You mentioned uh kentucky's offensive rebound and kind of.

Flipping that game was that.

Just their physicality that their effort out and beating the guys or.

Or something else that you?

Saw, GOING OUT YEAH i, u, i thought, uh their effort their physicality the second half was was, was you.

KNOW really good i mean they they they certainly cranked it up announce in that second half and then we need we needed to to.

Respond To it h, BUT you know i thought, their aggressiveness, defensively theirs aggressiveness.

The offensive, glass you know it was ultimately in a factor that grow up.

That drek You.

You mentioned lamar but how much did the foul trouble For not just till but other guys?

AFFECT you tonight i, mean foul?

Troubles foul trouble did you have?

It every night so it's you gotta figure out a way to?

Deal, With, it then uh you know we uh we just didn't do a good enough job.

With the nice.

QUESTION yours act i guess just just to follow up on that one, with this team and you've talked about sort of where you are with the two bigs and, things, like that like does foul trouble become sort of a compounding problem when?

It disrupts rotations it felt tonight like maybe guys were just not either on the floor long enough to find a rhythm or maybe had to be on the floor too long.

Because other guys.

Weren't, cold trouble again, our, our guys, uh you know their, numbers are called they're.

Ready to, go you know you're, certainly you know you know A, guy like lamar you want, him out there but when he's, NOT out there i feel very confident that the guys that are coming in are gonna do their part and, do their job and, and you know we certainly have a lot of.

Faith in them, so you know unfortunately just in the workout the way we.

Wanted to Tone.

So there's Darren Devrees and tucker devrees and what they had to say.

About, THE game again I know that indiana was.

In foul trouble indiana also reached a lot on defense because and got beat to the spot because they.

Weren't quick enough and that is something that again is going to continue to happen because there's you're not improving your quickness and athleticism in season, that's not happening so you better improve in other areas to.

Avoid those issues the other thing.

Is the turnovers eighteen Turnovers, for the hoosiers including twelve in the, Second half alone way, way too much way too sloppy.

With the, ball and again this has been an efficient team for the most part to this point, in the season and today that.

Just absolutely disappears you had just fifteen made field goals and eight assists.

On the night you had thirty in.

The last game now, you're MAKING shots and, I understand that i get that you can't have assists if you, don't make buckets but you had eighteen turnovers.

Versus eight assists that is a, real bad percentage a.

Real bad percentage but it's Not as if kentucky was actually it was.

Killing it either kentucky just three of fifteen from, three point range but they only turned the ball.

Over four times that makes.

A huge difference they shot thirty eight Free throws to indiana.

Shot twenty nine those are both some, pretty High numbers and kentucky was going to the bucket in The way that indiana wasn't going through some of these, The individual stats tucker DeVries fifteen points and four of thirteen shooting one of nine from.

Three point range he had seven rebounds, and three assists but he.

Had four turnovers played.

Thirty five minutes he had a block, and his steal and he filed out that one to nine is tough to hang on because he's played a.

Lot of basketball he's played a lot of, high level basketball and that's.

A rough number you're gonna have a.

Bad Shooting number lamar wilkerson five point fifteen points and five, of eleven shooting two of five from, three point, range two rebounds a turnover in.

Twenty two minutes foul trouble kept him out.

Of The.

Lineup sam alexis let's hear it for the Fact that sam alexis played thirty minutes, in this game because that was a real concern early in the game when he went down and his leg bent backwards kind of hyper extended that knee, a little bit that he escaped any kind of serious, injury with that because that was.

Really really close six points on three.

Or four shooting he had five rebounds, in an assist but he did have three turnovers and.

Had Two blocks, connor enright scoreless but he, had five rebounds and an assist.

In thirty minutes he was minus thirteen.

On The day tayton, connorway eleven points, three to six shooting one of three from.

Three point range he, had a rebound only one assist.

Versus four turnovers in.

Twenty four minutes he had the only starter that didn't.

Have faul trouble it was him.

Off the bench you got Seven Points, from nick dorn all of those from the.

Free throw line otherwise he, went over three including over three from, three point, range five.

Rebounds Two turnovers trent, cisley six points all of those from the, free throw, line six points missed all three, of his shots two, from the line two from, three point range, had seven, rebounds an assist and a turnover in.

Twenty six minutes ristitch played, some garbage Time.

So Did stevens reed, bailey eight, minutes held scoreless oll of one, from the, field one rebound had three fouls.

And a turnover you can't have one of your bigs only.

Play eight minutes.

You Just Can't but red bailey was not up for.

The task today so if You look at indiana, Off the bench indiana goes oh of seven from the field.

Off the bench total oh of five from, three point range but they were thirteen of thirteen off the bench from the, free throw line and so all the all the production had to come from just a.

Couple of guys most of the minutes came.

From those starters, and uh.

Again the starters this is what we're gonna.

Have to do this is what we're gonna have.

To deal with, lack of athleticism a, lack.

Of quickness speed you got to find other, ways to win and that means playing with, lots of energy playing with, lots of sets with a lot, of quick cuts, things like that and that isn't something that we've we've had seth on the chants is forty two points, from UK's bench.

Thirteen.

From, us yeah absolutely that's a big difference.

In this Game so was UK's twenty three points off of turnovers versus our six because we turned the ball.

Over, EIGHTEEN times well, I.

SAY we indiana i didn't turn the ball over once because they won't, let me play.

Nor should They frustrating because indiana had opportunities in this game and could have taken care of business.

And they Didn't They Didn't Phil, PHIL donahue official i Don't Think.

THAT'S phil donahue i may not renew.

My season tickets i'm so.

Sick of this can we get at least Three starters from indiana that actually.

Understand the game i've never cared where the.

PLAYERS are from i, just you know so they don't have To.

Be from indiana but this Whole idea that i'm so, sick of this can, we you know Can we get i'm.

SICK of this i Don't know if i'm going to renew.

My season tis, here's, The thing folks indiana basketball has not been very good for the.

Past eight years hasn't been CONSISTENTLY good, in i mean you're talking about stacking a couple.

Of Years together tom.

Green did that but for, the most part this has, been a real Real struggle for indiana for the past eight years and for most of the past twenty to be, honest with you there.

Have been moments and so we're early.

In THE season well, i say that but we are a third of the way, through the season so it's.

Not that early by, that same token you just have a team that is going to live and die.

By the three there's a lot to fix with this team getting back home for the next three days in three games will certainly help get this team.

Back on track we've seen that they can be very effective when they are running their offense with energy and knocking down shots and.

Doing all that one hundred and Thirteen Points, against penn, state you know eighty six points At Home, Against kansas state but then you go, on the road Or you're playing louisville And are playing indianapolis against a team with a, bunch of athletes and it's.

Not as pretty seventy two to sixty is the Final.

Score at kentucky, indiana's next timeout it will be a, week from Now Take, on chicago state Then they have siena a couple Of, days before christmas and then.

They're off again, so Between now it's December thirteenth.

And january fourth how many?

Days is That let's ask google how Many days?

Until january fourth.

Twenty two days, that's three weeks.

Twenty two days indiana will play Two Games against Chicago.

State and siena so, if they're tired this is your time, to get back get, those legs ready and there's plenty of time to work.

On things too how do you overcome the?

Issues with athleticism how do you overcome that.

Lack of quickness how do you make sure that you are able to generate offense if.

Shots aren't folding all of that is what's going to come into.

Play on this before we, WRAP this up i wanted to Once Again congratulate fernando mendoza On Winning.

The heisman trophy it is what a year.

This has been what a bizarro World situation where indiana football is the number one team, in the tree has A Two time national Coach, of the year Back To back national Coach, Of the year, they are undefeated they are Headed To the rose bowl as the number one Seed In The, college football playoff and they have a quarterback WHO Is one ap Player, of The Year, the Heisman, trophy the walter all the major.

Awards he's collecting and the best, PART about this i don't know if you guys have, seen this yet but there's some video From The post heisman trophy ceremony press conference where a WHOLE pile of iu players was in that conference Room to surprise fernando and.

Celebrate with.

Him that's incredible teammates hopping on planes And Going.

To, new york obviously nil makes that a lot easier these days than it.

Used to be, but good god you want to talk about a, team that's tight a team that really, is come together, like you know a.

Group of.

Brothers that's it.

This is.

It it's special And to see fernando out there And Accept.

THE heisman trophy i think about how big That.

Is for, indiana first off back to Back Years, with kurt signetti they've Been In The.

College football playoff the second year is better.

Than the first they get, to number One and now signetti can talk to people in, the transfer portal talk to, recruits and say, you know What we win.

Heisman trophies here we go to the college.

Football playoffs regularly we number one team.

In the country why wouldn't you want?

To come here adding this Extra Stuff with fernando, mendoza is Massive especially since fernando comes on The Heels.

Of Curtis rourke curtis rourke was obviously extremely successful last year despite playing with a knee injury that we, didn't know about and He's With the san francisco forty.

Nine right now that's who was the.

Quarterback last year mendoza took that and went to the next, level with it probably GOING.

To the nfl nobody would be.

SURPRISED at that i don't think anybody.

Expects Him back but, I'll, say this uh, the next guy whoever that next.

Guy may be there is A lot that indiana is going to be able to sell to, so many players and they have the hardware.

To prove it you have to take my.

Word.

For it anywhere you don't have.

To google me?

What, is that yeah.

IT'S pretty Simple i.

Win, google me yeah and your players win, Major, Awards too Ken fernando ben doze is a.

Red shirt junior he.

Could come back you probably ain't gonna because some people listen to him as the number one overall PICK in, The nfl draft and get the hell, out, Of here kid go.

Make your money you've proven every.

Thing you can but it was just really surreal to see Him Win.

The heisman trophy and folks Let People from Ohio State or notre dame Or, wherever else vanderbilt let the FOLKS, in the sec let them bitch.

Up a storm they ain't changing.

A damn thing Indiana is, what indiana is.

And They were fernando Mendoza Is your.

Heisman trophy Winner.

Congratulations to fernando there's a lot more football left to be, played this year and you get a little bit of.

Time to rest so it's really great to enjoy.

All of that indiana now gets a little bit of time to.

Rest as well on, the basketball court they don't play for a week following his seventy two to Sixty.

Loss at kentucky it's, an opportunity missed but it's not the end.

Of the season want to get some momentum going and there is time we all want to see better and That Starts.

With darren debrees seventy two to sixty on The road of kentucky is not what.

He's shooting for we'll see where the program.

Goes from here so a lot of.

Questions tons ago it's going.

TO be fascinating i could say.

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