[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to start the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Shay Elliott.

[SPEAKER_02]: To the Angela's eating.

[SPEAKER_01]: She just goes, this is you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, my mama's whole photo.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the last episode of the season.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have a little bowl of popcorn.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a glass of wine.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've got, I ate my cheese sticks already.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have these.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I just want to see my grandma in Holland, Michigan for the weekend, and so I have to go all the way down through Milwaukee for Chicago, back up in the Michigan.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I always stop at Trader Joe's and they have these olive and herbs mixed nuts.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, these are my spirit animal snack.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're like pulverized like herbs to prevent on the nuts and then they're dehydrated Kelmoda olives in there like over like a better raisin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, they're so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: I should have bought five bags of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, so that's what I was stuffing my face with, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: When we flipped, go.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, welcome everyone to homemaker shake season 26.

[SPEAKER_02]: Episode 10.

[SPEAKER_02]: So this will be our final episode before we take just a few weeks off for Christmas.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we thought it would be fun to sort of end the season with some of these comments that have been coming in.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've just been having so much fun this season.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was a good one.

[SPEAKER_02]: I liked it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I felt very us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, it did.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can I be honest?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a little tired of pretending like I know anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am continually humbled in life.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just continually humbled.

[SPEAKER_02]: about things you don't know that maybe you feel like you should or you think I'm in a reaches certain age and then I'll have it figured out or then I'll understand this better.

[SPEAKER_02]: We sat down with our financial advisor a few weeks ago and I just said Justin, give it to me again.

[SPEAKER_02]: You, you know, I know we did all we said all this up 15 years ago, but can you just tell me again what do we have?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I, it's like, um, Steven on Diary of a CEO.

[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, could you explain it to me like I'm a five year old?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sometimes he'll take the most basic word.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I know sometimes he's doing it for him.

[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes he's doing it for an audience.

[SPEAKER_01]: When he's like, what does existential mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you do exactly exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you please help me understand what we're talking about?

[SPEAKER_02]: I just told, do sometimes I feel like I need to look over my shoulders.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, mom, dad can someone make this decision for me?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to talk about decisions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Keep it away from that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Point is, no, we're here with you not because we know how to be perfect homemakers, but because we're in the struggle alongside you.

[SPEAKER_02]: We say that all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've been saying that for the last five almost six years of this podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: but it still remains true even now with six more years experience.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things we know how to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't we?

[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of things that we've just sort of mastered because you got to when you do them every day.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a lot that life has for you.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's always new every season, something new.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is, you know, but that is, uh, [SPEAKER_01]: One of the main beauties of home making, though, is that you've never arrived.

[SPEAKER_01]: You get to be so many different people.

[SPEAKER_01]: You get to put your hand to so many different tasks.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like who's got the quote, who's that, like Justin?

[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't there some question?

[SPEAKER_01]: Justin?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Homemaker being able to do so many things and not have to be a professional at them.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it really is a gift.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually thinking the other day.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't, we're going to air this on Friday.

[SPEAKER_02]: So today.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a new video today.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it was talking about how when when you get overwhelmed or when things come at you too fast or you've got a really full day, that's not the time you go into the kitchen to experiment.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's when you go into the kitchen and you just old faithful.

[SPEAKER_02]: right, like we're making grilled cheese and tomato soup or we're just roasting a chicken or whatever your old faithful things are.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there are things that you've done so many times that you don't have to think about them.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not measuring salt when I roast a chicken.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know my just in my muscles how much, how heavy the salt should feel in my fingertips.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just getting the hang of this and then they're going to leave me and I'm going to have to figure out it cook for two.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, my mom was saying the muscle memory doesn't die.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, it's just your dad and I cooking.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, I make soup for 17 people.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can not.

[SPEAKER_02]: make soup for too.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm doing too much.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was full.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even with even with Aiden gone, you know, because he ate like man.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I still make too much food.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't make oatmeal to save my life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's just, you know, obviously he turned the leftovers into an oatmeal bake, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel so wasteful all the time with pasta and oatmeal like, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but then I'm like on day three of the oatmeal bake.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, now let's turn this oatmeal bake.

[SPEAKER_02]: What Apple's turned into another oatmeal bake?

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's pulverize and turn it into a snack bar.

[SPEAKER_02]: Kids will like, I see what you're doing here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, the kids will be like, did this sit out all night?

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you making oatmeal bake with the oatmeal that said, out all day yesterday?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, not me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have been having, I, [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember when we used to do cash envelopes like Dave Ramsey style.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: See mine in the drawer in my head.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I have a visual very clear.

[SPEAKER_02]: I had a little kind of a cordial thing that came with me everywhere in my purse.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like a coupon old lady who was like an old lady coupon thing and it had all my cash in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I used to get this kind of [SPEAKER_02]: Ooh, lovely sensation, like a high.

[SPEAKER_02]: When, let's say I didn't use $30 of the grocery budget.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I could take it that $30 that was left over at the end of the month, and I could put it somewhere else, like in the perfume budget.

[SPEAKER_02]: In the perfume budget, or the date budget, or whatever, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just as a personal challenge to myself, not for any particular reason, I've just decided I am not going to spend money [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to spend it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I enjoy very much going out to eat when the food is good and when the surface is good.

[SPEAKER_02]: When it's not, I become very angry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know what I can do at home.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, wait for the month, I don't care for the...

We had originally just said November.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, let's just, we needed to just maybe break some habits here.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they were?

[SPEAKER_02]: bad, but it's like when you have six people and you eat out anywhere, especially in Washington, like, it's just insanely expensive.

[SPEAKER_02]: My friend Amber went to Disneyland.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have six, seven.

[SPEAKER_02]: How many of you they have in their families, seven?

[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, they're just six, seven.

[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

[SPEAKER_02]: They said, um, it was $160 for ice cream in Disneyland.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's my point.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just like, it doesn't matter what the cost is when there's a lot of people involved.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we had originally just set out to be like, you know what?

[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes after piano, for example, if I didn't think I had to lunch, we would stop and get little deli sandwiches on the way home.

[SPEAKER_02]: These kinds of things, and those really added up at the end of the month.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so we just got break new break habits, okay?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I had just sort of creative liberty, like whatever I need to get from the grocery store, I can get.

[SPEAKER_02]: So...

[SPEAKER_02]: blah blah blah blah you guys I haven't stopped yet here it is December 19th when this comes out I haven't stopped yet because I've been getting that same sensation like every meal I make [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you did it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You did it again, girl.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what I've realized is sometimes the sound so stupid, but like a scrambled egg and toast dinner.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's still dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: We call it my mom called him breakfast dinners.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like my grandma used to do them all the time on the farm, like, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or, you know, popcorn and cheese sticks and pickles.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what we've done.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we've done when you see that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it every night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying, hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the last night I made a chickpea and swiss charred soup.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love this soup and like tube of my kids love this soup.

[SPEAKER_02]: The other ones don't love it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just said you guys it's okay if you don't love it, you're going to eat some of it because this is what's for dinner, but even in that I just had this like overwhelming sense of, you know, this was a couple of cups of dried beans and some leftover greens from the garden and a clover to a garlic and an onion and like it just.

[SPEAKER_02]: The sensation was so palpable, like the achievement was so palpable.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought this is kind of what the homemaker is like they're sting for.

[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever the her version of that is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you get that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I'm talking about?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: What makes we have that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you get it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Have you gotten it recently?

[SPEAKER_01]: leftovers make me get that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: My family is their bunch of princesses.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like leftovers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, people do this.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually done, and it's not me being a slacker.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's us finishing the food.

[SPEAKER_01]: How are people eating out?

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're absolutely not community this I don't think we're really average because it's so expensive and I only want to go or get it if it's really good like everyone's in a while every once in a while I'll say fine just get like pub food and I'm in Wisconsin granted so that's everywhere that's kind of the [SPEAKER_01]: the general yeah landscape.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but so we are cooking community looked this up because we were also asking the same question.

[SPEAKER_02]: The average is $700 a month.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm nowhere near that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would be like a fantasy.

[SPEAKER_01]: That would be my gosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: A little more to wild about that is that's probably [SPEAKER_02]: four meals out for us.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably at meaty point mediocre food.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if we do do a pub food run.

[SPEAKER_01]: Usually there's a kid or two, you know, one's ice skating and one's not here, whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a minimum 100 for if everyone just wants like a burger, you know, right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like that's terrible food to yeah, it's not a good experience right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then if we go out to like my favorite restaurant as a family, which we never do, maybe once or twice a year, it's too 80 to 300.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we just don't do it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so when you take that and you say, okay, let's say you're eating out budget is whatever.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say it's 400.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then you think, okay, if I get to go to the grocery store and buy fun food.

[SPEAKER_02]: 200, you know, much for a dollar.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can buy for a fund or two or seven.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's still saving $200.

[SPEAKER_01]: Smoke salmon, barata, like all the things we're like, should I get it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Shouldn't I?

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really need it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't want it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I bought there's a grocery store that's really, really affordable in Green Bay and I went, that's where I go and I finally remembered to buy barata there.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you should have seen me.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, just grabbing it.

[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, three, four, fuck, 10, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I get home, and these are not to say that they're gonna be bad, because I like Truffle, but it's not what I wanted, I got parada with Truffle.

[SPEAKER_02]: Baked Truffle, I don't like Baked Truffle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Dang it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's gonna be fake?

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, essence of Truffle.

[SPEAKER_02]: the whisper of truffle.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, listen, don't tell me that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really sorry to say.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is going to sound so posh and remove and stupid.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But.

[SPEAKER_02]: one of the things that we do on kv does we literally go and dig the truffles out of the ground and then you go to the restaurant and they shave the truffle that you just dug out of the ground right over top of the roster and we had a bunch of guests this last time that we're like hmm truffles not for me and i just said i accept your answer however it says you try it i would like you to just try it and if not i had the chef [SPEAKER_02]: have something else ready, but I said I would like you to try it because what people think that truffle tastes like is when they get truffle fries at a pub, and that is not even remotely close to what real truffle tastes like real truffle is so gentle.

[SPEAKER_02]: It smells like it's going to punch you in the face.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's so subtle and beautiful.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that when you get like a truffle oil to me, it tastes like a rancid fake truffle.

[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the time, I'm sure there's [SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of like, um, when the, you know, when you go to the gas station and you need to do it like protein, uh-huh, and it's a smoke cheese and you're like, is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just been fumigated.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a fake smoke smell.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's a very big difference between that between hate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I hate that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But now you're really curious.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know what's going on in my barata because [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you should try it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It might be good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see, I had a truffle paste one time that I got into a kind of a posh little grocery store, and that was good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you could put in a risotto or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there are certain things I just I'm.

[SPEAKER_02]: How's she about like, no, sorry, you don't get to hang here.

[SPEAKER_02]: You fake trouble.

[SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: You get out of here.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have a bunch of your comments to share with you today.

[SPEAKER_02]: We thought that would be fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love actually this and again.

[SPEAKER_02]: I swear, I didn't, there weren't like a mean ones to sort out and I just want to say thank you for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: You've kept, if you felt them, you kept them to yourself.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so this was really fun because it feels like you're joining in the conversation with us, which I really enjoy and then you get to pop on here and listen to them.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: So before we pop into that, actually, I'm going to start with this comment, okay, this [SPEAKER_02]: Right, Ronnie, she.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming she.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Alan Rickman.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Angela.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I would like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Love a vitamin C serum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Comment, please Malay Day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, Windover says, and I got some personal text messages on this too.

[SPEAKER_01]: So a few weeks ago I was talking, we talked about Christmas movies and I was giving my very strong opinions and I had one that was rather nostalgic and that was Disney's Walt Disney's Small One.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Windover says, I sub through Small One every year.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I got a few text messages.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, like, like, like, get the money to the bank.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, other people knew all the little songs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so that made me so happy that I am not the only one that just loves this sweet little cartoon about the donkey that carried Mary.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, so sweet.

[SPEAKER_01]: Google it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's on YouTube.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Small One.

[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[SPEAKER_01]: I initially am going to write that down because I didn't watch it so precious.

[SPEAKER_02]: We just, we've been trying to like get through all the Christmas movies.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've been trying to, I think we talked about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been trying to add a few new ones to our repertoire.

[SPEAKER_02]: But we're like really mean about it and we're like, get out of here.

[SPEAKER_02]: You stupid movie.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't get to come in.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I did watch one that I really enjoyed.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if you've seen it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's called Clouse CLAUS and it's about a mailman.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, who gets sent up to Schmerin's bark?

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he has to meet Akwota in order to be able to come back to his posh life.

[SPEAKER_02]: He has to like, mail 6,000 letters anyway.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a story of how Santa Claus got started.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, the animation was it reminded me a little bit of Emper's new groove.

[SPEAKER_02]: It felt very nostalgic.

[SPEAKER_02]: The story was very lovely and sweet and, you know, every story like 90's story arc, but it wasn't like whatever animation, yes, Pixar animation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I really like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I really, really like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here's one from Dana, and I like this one.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't, okay, here she goes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Regarding the refreshment you feel after getting outside, even in the winter, I just listened to the thousand hours outside podcast.

[SPEAKER_02]: Number 64 with Dr.

Mark Berman, and he said that a study was done, where subjects were instructed to do a very mentally draining task, and then set outside for a walk.

[SPEAKER_02]: The time in nature was shown to refresh the subjects' attention, et cetera.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was no difference whether it was good weather or bad summer or winter, the benefits were the same.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love this Dana because I had just a doozy of a day inside the other day, and I thought, you need to go take a lap.

[SPEAKER_02]: You need to go take a timer on your phone.

[SPEAKER_02]: I still had a bunch of stuff to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Set a timer on your phone for 15 minutes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Go stare at some frozen apples on the tree.

[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.

[SPEAKER_02]: Go do anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just go be outside for 15 minutes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had a child.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to convince this of the other day.

[SPEAKER_01]: She was maxed out.

[SPEAKER_01]: She pushes herself really hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there was still this to do, and this to practice, and this to do, and this to do, and she's like, I'm not going to get time.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was like 30 nine degrees out in sunny shoes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go for a walk.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not going to get time to go for a walk.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just said, like, you, I wish I could convey to you how much you need to just do that and call it even more important than everything else on your very very responsible list.

[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't having it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said, dang it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're so wrong.

[SPEAKER_01]: Go outside.

[SPEAKER_01]: 20 minutes through it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I know a lot of people listening have little ones like this is mommy time out.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I know a lot of you have teenagers.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is also mommy time out.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is all the teenager time out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.

[SPEAKER_02]: All the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: God's like, my grandpa told me once that his mom.

[SPEAKER_01]: would bundle up the baby, no matter what the temperature and put it out on the front porch in the pream for 15 minutes every day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure you see pictures of that like the babies in baskets in little cages outside windows like New York high rise.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think there's like four stories up in the baby.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's been the way the window.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I also see ones of like pram's babies in them and like outside stores in Sweden and Norway and it's snowy in the bundles, the babies are bundled up, but the idea is to breathe fresh air.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I did take his advice and I would do that and I would just wheel the stroller out onto the porch and yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, do you ever do that even for yourself?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this time of year, it's a little bit harder because it gets really cold at night.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like a lot, at most of the time, we sleep with our windows, not all the way open because raccoons, but part of the way open.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, I'm here in my office.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's December.

[SPEAKER_01]: That window above me is two inches open.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the one in the bedroom, my husband doesn't know this, but it's four inches open.

[SPEAKER_01]: You need fresh air.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's barbaric for me to be sealed and I don't want to I don't want to live in a coffin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it freaks me out.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I don't like air conditioning.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so thankful that we can't have air conditioning in this house.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even tell you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now when it's real hot, we have a window unit for the girls or we'll put one in the living rooms for the piano sake for the humidity.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I am really thankful I would rather perspire a little bit and have it just by feet feel sticky on the floor than feel like I'm trapped.

[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a claustrophobic feeling.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I feel it's so unnatural.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys listened to the podcast a few years ago, we talked about playing freeze out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did this the other day.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was cleaning out my living room vacuuming just dusty and the sun was out.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was freezing, but the sun was out and I threw my living room door open.

[SPEAKER_02]: I left it open for an hour.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, welcome in new air.

[SPEAKER_01]: I come to the party, especially here once the wasps have died after the first hard freeze.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, open it up, come on in, come on in and it does wonders for people, and even just the staleness.

[SPEAKER_02]: So naturally when you do that, you get cold pockets in your house and it makes it cold.

[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, that happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then I went into the kitchen.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was freezing.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I lit a fire and it felt unstaled, close that for a word, unstaled it.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to set like a personal challenge, but I love the idea of just really, really prioritizing, even 10 minutes outside.

[SPEAKER_02]: Even just, it's harder this time of year, it's not quite as tempting to go outside.

[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, don't you see, it has the benefits for the same.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we've been talking a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: Angela and I and our personal conversations have been talking a lot about books lately.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's just agreed to read through non-taste in Furno with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I started it two days ago.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she's- I'm so glad that you're not like a week into it because it's been on my list.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I just, I think it'd be a bread, much more interesting to have somebody to kind of like, non-it with.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I avoided it for a while.

[SPEAKER_02]: But Stu's teaching it right now to Owen and his classmates.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was talking to the boys on the way.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was bringing a big group of boys home from jujutsu the other night.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, OK, guys, how are you finding Dante?

[SPEAKER_02]: They all loved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm talking to 13-year-old boys.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, OK, Shay, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: 40-year-old, almost.

[SPEAKER_02]: Settle up, saddle up, soldier.

[SPEAKER_02]: OK.

Settle up.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got questions, Google it, or ask your husband.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, Stu's, I was telling Angela, he has six different translations of Dante and so I was like, okay, like, what are the differences?

[SPEAKER_02]: Each one has its own little thing because, of course, it's not written in English.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, um, so we've been talking a lot about literature, which has been really fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I love it because it seems to hit, we seem to have a lot of readers as we're talking about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Pistrong, maybe I'm sorry if I but you're last in string, Pistrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: Encourages us to read Loan some dev.

[SPEAKER_02]: She says it's incredible.

[SPEAKER_02]: I remember my grandpa loved Loan some dev.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: I used to tear up some Westerns back in the day.

[SPEAKER_02]: Movies, well, movies and books, okay, like Louie Lamor Westerns, do you know who that is?

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, um, he's like the Nora Roberts of Westerns.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, um, I've heard this about Lonesome Dove.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I have a copy of Lonesome Dove, but I am working on putting together my 2026 reading list and it's going to be severe.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I shared last week that Angela encouraged me to read great expectations.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I wanted you to tell the people what you thought.

[SPEAKER_01]: So excited.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I told Angela, I had a top five favorite books list and so far this year, Lord of the Rings basically kicked all of them out of the top.

[SPEAKER_02]: Just took over all types of five spots.

[SPEAKER_02]: But great expectations is in there by a mile.

[SPEAKER_02]: I...

[SPEAKER_02]: was flawed.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got done and I just wanted to like stand up and and cheer and you know books there there's different peaks and valleys throughout the books.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was also texting her like, I hate that piece being such an idiot.

[SPEAKER_02]: All this, well, you'll have to read the book, but I loved loved loved great expectations.

[SPEAKER_02]: And listen, I think we talked about this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I tried to read it in [SPEAKER_02]: and completely shut myself off from it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It felt completely inaccessible.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I had just convinced myself for the last 20 years that I was incapable of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just not true.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I love breaking down walls like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: I read it and I was like, hey, this is completely accessible.

[SPEAKER_02]: Does it, does it mean I understand everything?

[SPEAKER_02]: No.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also layered enough that I think genuinely, you could probably read it once a year for the rest of your life and not tire of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was so impossibly beautifully written.

[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So wonderful.

[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't read it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Please do.

[SPEAKER_01]: If you need something like really gritty and dark, you should read weathering heights.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've ever read that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have read weathering heights, but it's been a while.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been a while.

[SPEAKER_01]: That one I know you listen to or I know you listen to Jane air a few years ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, Cali, if you're listening, Hi, Cali, my friend, Cali, she texts me yesterday.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she sent me a book.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let me find it here so I can do her credit.

[SPEAKER_02]: She sent me a book called, it is Emily, by the way, while you're looking.

[SPEAKER_02]: Emily, Bronte.

[SPEAKER_02]: What was her sister's name, Charlotte?

[SPEAKER_02]: And Charlotte, Bronte wrote three of them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Were there?

[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was only two.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's called a Jane Austen education.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the cover of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a book and it's how six novels talk how six novels taught me about love friendship and all things that Really matter all the things that really matter anyway.

[SPEAKER_02]: She said that It's a complete Jane Austen skeptic turned convert Okay, and she said it's very very good So if anyone else has had a bit of a problem kind of breaking into the Jane Austen world I [SPEAKER_02]: her writing is beautiful.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not my problem with her.

[SPEAKER_02]: She obviously tells a very lovely story.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm willing to give it look I've been wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've I've eaten crow many times on the I've eaten crow like three times this season.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let me read this comment from Ray Schwar, Ray Schwar, Ray Schwar.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ray Schwar, Ray Schwar.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ray Schwar, Ray Schwar.

[SPEAKER_01]: OK.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I juggled it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Shea's comment about needing someone.

[SPEAKER_01]: in a book you're reading to get shanked in a back alley and say that, yes you did.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you on enjoying a good bit of suit in a story.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't tried Jane Austen's books yet though I do intend to give them a go but I just finished gone with the wind and I'm expecting and while I was expecting a more flowery story I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of suit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha do we check that one out if you haven't read it yet?

[SPEAKER_01]: The audiobook version on audible is quite well done.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Shay and I have only seen each other in person a handful of times in our lives.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably like six seven or six or seven Say how to say it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry seven [SPEAKER_01]: Times and one was for a business convention and there was a really popular speaker that was going to speak and I told Shows like look.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to that.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to the Margaret Mitchell Museum.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were in Atlanta.

[SPEAKER_01]: We were in Atlanta gone with the wind.

[SPEAKER_01]: At one point, I don't know where it stands now, but if you played trivia pursuit in the 80s, as I was a kid in the 80s and if you played it in the 80s, [SPEAKER_01]: one of the questions was or intimated that aside from the Bible, it was the selling book of all times in the 80s.

[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is a phenomenal book with plenty of sort.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the suit joke comes from last week when we were talking about British British novels and good old British lamenting they maybe they were too flowery and she needed a little.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do find Jane Austen a bit flowery.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's just the thing with the wind is not.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when you like watch, I've watched sense and sensibility.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've watched the Jane Austen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I really enjoy them.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there's always that moment where you're like, can you just stop staring off into the distance in a melancholy way and just say what you're trying to say?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because then they just won't speak the words.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then three more years will pass while someone's out at sea.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, it's like you could just, if you could have just bucked up a little bit and just been like, actually, I love you.

[SPEAKER_02]: We could say, we're still so a lot of running around to culture and propriety, Shay, I don't know, sense and sensibility drives me mad.

[SPEAKER_02]: Stop.

[SPEAKER_02]: It does.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, oh, you can't.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Kim, he doesn't have any money.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, oh, OK.

Never mind, then.

[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Greatsy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll get a try.

[SPEAKER_01]: Breathe gone with the wind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a monster and I have an extra copy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's end you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, send it to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: So so far on my 2020 sixth list, I have Lonesome Dubb, which is also like 1100 pages.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Massive.

[SPEAKER_01]: Can't pronounce it good Western movies.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that has me really intrigued.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because I love like open range.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like open range is what I'm all in Kevin's.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a favorite.

[SPEAKER_01]: Open range is absolutely a favorite movie above that.

[SPEAKER_01]: One of my all time favorite movies is three 10 to Yuma.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't even contain myself, like, if I get to start talking about that movie, I love talk about, so I love love three tend to humour.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's Christian bail and Russell Crowe, and it's perfection to me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I know it's a remake nonetheless.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then what's his name?

[SPEAKER_01]: Clint [SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's, I mean, Western's fun too, because it's like, it's our genre.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's America's genre, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's that whole, that cowboy culture that came out west, it's something to love that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you guys, if you have more books, don't send me the actual books.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can buy them, but send me your recommendations because I already have, I've got Dante lined up that I've got Robert Robinson Crusoe.

[SPEAKER_02]: On ice, just finished that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what she's writing her turn paper on.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, goal of hers travels, which is another, it's a younger book, but it'll be a fun read.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just haven't ever read it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now I've got Lonesome Devon gone with the wind added to that list as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that's my list so far for 2026.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've really, really, and just finished goal of those travels and he's like, this is dumb.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, it all.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, sometimes you need to have somebody help you to understand the glory in there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, I try to read, oh, the counter money crystal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's on my list, but it's all beautifully written, but I had [SPEAKER_02]: watch a YouTube video or figure out the French politics because otherwise I can't follow the story because they're referencing people with certain terms and I'm like, I don't know what that means.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm having a, and it's another 1000 pageer.

[SPEAKER_01]: it's a monster.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if anyone has any recommendations on that, I love the story of the county money greased out, but there is so much French politics and I don't have any reference for what's happening that it makes it really difficult to come along in the story in a meaningful way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, recommendations welcome.

[SPEAKER_01]: um, Karissa said, uh, I love this.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love this and I'm so mad.

[SPEAKER_01]: I still have my snoop.

[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody said me a snoop.

[SPEAKER_01]: Karissa said this episode had been laughing so much, which is nice because I too am always sad apparently.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's talking about Angie being very melancholy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if Angie gets snoop on the [SPEAKER_01]: She needs Martha on the mantle.

[SPEAKER_01]: Martha on the mantle.

[SPEAKER_02]: Brilliant.

[SPEAKER_02]: Is that actually a thing?

[SPEAKER_01]: No.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't think so.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good.

[SPEAKER_02]: Martha, let's see the mantle.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to look.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[SPEAKER_02]: It came up.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Martha on the mantle.

[SPEAKER_02]: No way.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there is.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look at Snoop.

[SPEAKER_02]: And their friends, more than Snoop, are totally no better.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're like real friends now.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we do need those, Shay.

[SPEAKER_02]: They wrote a cookbook together.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's amazing.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're so funny together.

[SPEAKER_02]: They make new ones, too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this is hilarious.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're learning all kinds of stuff today.

[SPEAKER_02]: That is a great idea.

[SPEAKER_01]: My gosh.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is so good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Pictures are making more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay, I know we're still in literary territory, so if you're not a reader then, uh, sorry, this is from, oh gosh, you guys, these names, [SPEAKER_02]: Brewery.

[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for such a wonderful series a delightful resource in my current reading list is the podcast close reads.

[SPEAKER_02]: The hosts are knowledgeable humorous and insightful.

[SPEAKER_02]: I love being able to dip into the backlog and find episodes discussing whatever I'm currently reading.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she said they cover many classics and there's series on Frankenstein was okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: You got to listen to that because we were talking about sympathy with the monster.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: And angels like I got nothing but sympathy for the monster.

[SPEAKER_02]: And my intro was like, We are nuts and bosses and empathize with the monster.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: The intro to your book said we're not supposed to.

[SPEAKER_02]: And how it's a common like misconception of the book is that we're supposed to feel this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not on the whole.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said like in moments, like, I don't want to give anything away, but like when he's looking through the window at the family, and he's set apart.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's what that makes me, I have empathy, is that toxic empathy?

[SPEAKER_01]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to listen to, because I told, too, I think I mentioned this when I got them with Frankenstein.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was just looking around my family, my brother-in-law, and I was like, anyone talking to talk about Frankenstein and nobody wanted to talk about Frankenstein?

[SPEAKER_01]: I said, no, yeah, I got no one.

[SPEAKER_01]: When I finished it, I was like, okay, I'll just sit with things in my heart.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's just the thing about a book, and I think that's actually why.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm learning.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, people who read intentionally, they're interesting people to talk to because they are sort of drawing from just endless experiences that didn't necessarily happen to them, but that they encountered and rubbed up against them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I remember in high school my [SPEAKER_01]: maybe I'm quoting him around the main benefit of reading was that you then have lived so many lives and have had so many conversations and so many loves or so many confrontations that you can then come into your when you then you're in your real life you are so much more um while around it sounds very cliche but well rounded you have so much more context.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think it actually gives you more of a state of contentment, too, because you're going through all these situations with people, and you can't be unchanged by them if they're good literature, and then you end up sort of coming back to, you're not just [SPEAKER_02]: If you're filling your time with these sorts of things, you're not filling your time with grumbling or...

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, just too much introversion, too much inward thought, can I think be really unhelpful?

[SPEAKER_02]: I sure would like to do this, or I really was hoping I'd get to this today, or these kinds of things that can kind of wear you down a little bit.

[SPEAKER_02]: interesting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I, did we finish this?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like getting to be a fly on the wall of your cool professor's book club on your own time.

[SPEAKER_02]: They have some Austin episodes that are gold.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there you go.

[SPEAKER_02]: We, I want to go and listen to their Frankenstein series, but I'm going to see if they have one on Dante.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I told Angela right before we hit record and she agreed to read it with me.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking, we need help.

[SPEAKER_02]: Some of this literature.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not right.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not crazy straightforward.

[SPEAKER_02]: You actually need a guide, like virtual guide's Dante.

[SPEAKER_02]: We also need a guide to say, have somebody say, actually frame it like this in your mind.

[SPEAKER_02]: Or this represents this, or think of this as this.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's really helpful.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it doesn't mean you're not a good reader.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it does how it goes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: My dog came in.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to teach him how to shut the door.

[SPEAKER_02]: I grab his paw.

[SPEAKER_02]: Close the door.

[SPEAKER_02]: Close the door.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is from Reuben Cam.

[SPEAKER_02]: R E B A N C A M.

Reba N Cam.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Angela Neil, that when she asked how people in so Cal get their annual pause, we don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a transplant from Idaho, and though I was always the biggest baby come February, I missed the cozy pause that life takes in the dark cold months.

[SPEAKER_02]: They just keep going as fervently in December as they did in May, and there is never a break or collective downtime as a community, though in all honesty, I did listen to your podcast while sunbathing and only a [SPEAKER_02]: She's honest, at least she's honest.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I might take these words back in February, but I like the pause even though it's not doesn't mean the pace of life is like stopped I think maybe the demands of outside life have changed The garden's not there's stuff I can do until the snow comes but [SPEAKER_01]: It's really exaggerated here because our community shuts down people go away because people don't live here so you can go into town in the middle of the day and it'll be like, and car.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so you really do get to lean into it because it's life in grayscale it's just back.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, and I don't mind it.

[SPEAKER_01]: In that it has its benefits, you know, right now I was just contemplating, okay I'm going to reorganize my closet, yeah, you know, but yeah, but then, you know, a couple weeks after the holiday you're thinking, okay, we're done here, this is really dangerously depressing, it's dangerous, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, Jen, January is not horrible because the snow's really new and pretty.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when we get the big snowstorms, there is that like cozy factor.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've put Christmas away, so there's not a ton of great expectations.

[SPEAKER_02]: My clutch.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's all like that's my only time to get like kind of homie projects kind of accounted for things like cleaning out your closet and such but then a February comes and you're just like.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is for the birds, the snow's all brown and nasty.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's still life in gray scale and you just feel like you want to crawl out of your skin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard for me to watch my kids, my kids start to suffer.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's very depressing when it's just dark for 13 days, 21 days in a row.

[SPEAKER_01]: So enjoy your sunbathing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's, I want to talk about this for a second.

[SPEAKER_02]: life can be I know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Life can be so serious.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like we have had a very serious fall.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm not going to talk about it, but it's just not been the most fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's been all this just that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we said to stew the other day, do we even remember how to like have fun fun?

[SPEAKER_02]: So I can remember over the summer we went to an outside venue that had live music and it was this band and they at the end of their set, the end of the night.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just gorgeous sunset or just across the river from home or looking out onto the Columbia, just open plateau crowds of people, just eat and food and hang it out on the grass.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they play the four non-blans.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to sing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, the haste.

[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on?

[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they ended the set with.

[SPEAKER_02]: I ran down to the front.

[SPEAKER_02]: I like a groupie like a groupie wakes up in the moment and she goes outside and she my face all I was like oh it's made for this moment I did my kids were looking at me like I was possessed and I was like this is my moment just and I just closed my eyes and I just man I dance and I just enjoyed it [SPEAKER_02]: and I was thinking that was like when you're when you just kind of like actually let loose what brings about those moments and like how can we have more of those because I even bought Stewart and I these little silly Christmas sweaters because I was like we're gonna wear his in our Christmas sweaters because of those to me no I was like I stared at the screen for like two minutes and like [SPEAKER_02]: There is a boss to be silly because I was like it's everything is too bloody serious Like oh yeah, where is the fun?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm genuinely asking you, help me.

[SPEAKER_01]: But no, people are boring, Shay.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think people on the whole are really boring.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm, I'm wait.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got one.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm it.

[SPEAKER_01]: People.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like funny people.

[SPEAKER_01]: I like people that don't take them to themselves too seriously.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So really quick, once a couple years ago, I'm alien, I were driving and my phone rang.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was PayPal.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was a spam call from PayPal.

[SPEAKER_01]: And Ami Lee was on this kick where she was doing German accents.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she answers, she's like, can I do it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Mom, can I do it?

[SPEAKER_01]: She answers the phone, and she does the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't do it in her Brune Hilda accent, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do dishes it right back to her.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic.

[SPEAKER_01]: Great day, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was at the Pigly Wiggly last week.

[SPEAKER_01]: And there's one guy there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's kind of just, he's more, he's, a lot of, I have live in a very elderly community.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is not elderly.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's check it in the checkout line doing my stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, he's always commenting on my gloves or whatever, always trying to make conversation with me.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I just tried, like, okay, it's my turn.

[SPEAKER_01]: I said, [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have all these bags at home and I never remember to bring them because he was loading into a paper bag and he said something something something And I said no, I mean like I have shopping bags in the boot room and I never remember to bring them.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's well, you should put them in your car.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that might that way it might be a little bit easier.

[SPEAKER_01]: He goes or you know what to better.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I just was like, I love you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for being at Liberty, like crack a joke to me, like that it made I burst out laughing in the checkout lane.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was so funny and I appreciated it so much or you know, just be about our human.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be so pathetic.

[SPEAKER_02]: uh we went to a Christmas party a couple of weeks ago and you guys hear me talk about my friend Amber all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she was there with her friend with her friend her husband.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're on friendly terms.

[SPEAKER_02]: Her husband Cody and Cody loves Christmas.

[SPEAKER_02]: He loves Christmas.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he, this is like a nice Christmas party and he had on a suit jacket, but it was made out of like the most offensive Holly fabric.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was like just holly with red berries, but it's like a man's jacket.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I went inside and read three dimensional?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was like the fabric, it was fabric.

[SPEAKER_02]: Christmas fabric.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which was just humorous.

[SPEAKER_02]: But then the best part is Amber had a matching jumper.

[SPEAKER_02]: that she wore to the party.

[SPEAKER_02]: And she just, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, you put out what you're saying, a matching jumper.

[SPEAKER_02]: So she had on a black turtleneck with this like red.

[SPEAKER_02]: offensive Christmas fabric, and she looked beautiful.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just thought, I love this.

[SPEAKER_02]: You guys aren't being so, they look both looked very nice, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like a sloppy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was hilarious.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I just thought, this is fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's festive and it's fun and it's silly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we need more opportunities for some stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been thinking about that a lot lately.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been asking all my kids like, what is the most like fun for you?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what, most everyone agreed like we have dance parties where we'll put on, I don't know, 90s rap or I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: The foreign on blondes, they love the foreign on blondes.

[SPEAKER_02]: We'll put that up and we'll just dance in the kitchen.

[SPEAKER_02]: But like that full actual release, how often do we get to like feel that?

[SPEAKER_02]: as especially as moms and I'm not talking about like going out and having like seven margaritas with your girlfriend.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not what I'm talking about.

[SPEAKER_02]: What am I talking about?

[SPEAKER_02]: Um fun.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like how do we even have fun with our spouses?

[SPEAKER_02]: What do you do for?

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't need to go.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, that's probably a whole season shape.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, if you guys think of things, can you send them to me because I'm genuinely, I think it takes intention like anything else.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't just happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: You actually, I think have to seek out opportunities.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's cultural too though.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that it's, [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really big conversation here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think it's all three minutes.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lack of third spaces.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very multifaceted, quite frankly.

[SPEAKER_01]: The third space.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a lack.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very cultural and timely.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, it gets a big conversation.

[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, I guess we'll have to have it after an holidays.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if you guys have fun over the holidays, write us about it, over on Spotify or on Apple, which is where the comments come from.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to like, I'm not just saying this, we have, we've actually.

[SPEAKER_02]: hired help.

[SPEAKER_02]: We've got great stuff coming in 2026 for the podcast category.

[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you guys for sticking with us for being here.

[SPEAKER_02]: Every listen, every download, every share, every comment, every thumbs up on Spotify and stuff.

[SPEAKER_02]: It, it makes all the difference to us.

[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for doing that and for being a part of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's all she says.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, all right.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm thinking, I'm getting a little warm and fuzzy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking about the show, gosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we're going to take a break.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to spend time with our, with ours.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and we'll be back in January.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, rescuing the art of home making of the daily grind.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, ladies, cheers, Merry Christmas.