What's going on, everybody?

Welcome back to Talking Pluribus.

I'm Phil, the issues guy, and we're jumping head first into episode 6.

Look, I don't even know where to start.

Yeah, I mean, I do know where to start with the human derived protein, but what an incredible episode from minute one.

Now, we're not going to waste a single second.

We're going to stop the foreplay and jump right into our discussion.

Hey, Joe, welcome back.

What What are your thoughts on the last couple of episodes and what are your thoughts on tonight's episode coming?

Up This was probably the best of the episodes, but you know.

So you're so for you, it's not so much something that's driving a lot of anger or rage or something that you're necessarily.

Not anymore.

Not anymore.

I've I've I've passed that.

You're you're to your apathetic phase.

Yeah, the last two episodes I was just like, OK, I don't know.

I I don't really have I I'm now just watching it, so I could be here.

Fair.

Enough.

Fair enough, fair enough.

No, that, that's, that's that I, I, I appreciate that.

I, I mean, not every show is going to connect with every single person and we've been through that before.

I don't think this is a a situation where you're personally and that's the point like picking up your Joe cheeks and spreading them across this.

They're just like, I can't see this.

I you're having trouble glopping on to caring about anything or anybody that's going on here.

It's a little.

Here's the thing.

So.

You don't find it as funny as I do.

You know, so I I'm almost starting to laugh at like her picking up the phone and hearing Hamlin's voice again, but it begs the question why she wouldn't have all like, she's obviously very frustrated by hearing that and she keeps parking out commands.

But the second time you fucking heard that message, wouldn't you be like, change the fucking message?

Don't leave a message.

I don't need a voice.

Just play the fucking beep.

Yes, or I'd be hitting zero over and over.

Over and over again, right?

Like to get the beep immediately, like there's no point.

Like so the comedy is lost on me because it doesn't fit with her either, being how she is in everything else.

It's not it's not part of her character to tolerate that.

And that is another one of those things that I'm like, so I don't find it funny.

I find it to be a character flaw in the writing of the character because you've made her so matter of fact she can't stand to deal with anything undone.

But this she'll let keep going, right.

Like there's a lot of things that are that I think they got the writing wrong on.

They're like, we've seen one pack of wolves really.

Like there would be a lot of wild and domestic animals still.

On they did mention that.

They did mention that in tonight episodes.

I'm saying like there's that, there's millions of them, so.

That is worth and insufficiently get get the point across like like it's not just one pack of wolves.

Like there are lots of fucking wild.

You saw how quick they came back for COVID.

Like so much so that for years now we've had coyotes running the streets around our neighborhoods, right?

Like like they were around, but they weren't on in this area, right?

Like you'd have to travel 50 miles from here.

Now they're here and they're on the street.

They'll they'll run through your fucking trash barrel, look at you and wink.

Now, Joe, Joe, I understand.

I understand everything you're saying.

What you play it on you?

I understand everything you're saying and you can take me beat for beat tonight as much as you can, as much as you can to hold together.

And Joe Joe trying hard to pull the rant there, but he's he's sick.

It's like, it's like you're trying to Superman's trying, but the kryptonite's holding up there a little bit.

But but ultimately.

At this point, I feel like I'm punching bag Phil.

Fair enough.

Throw up that much because the show is speaking for itself.

No, exactly.

It's speaking for itself and its greatness.

See, this is a perfect no.

You talked my turn.

This is a perfect example of a situation where we could not be more opposite in our opinions of this series.

I cannot get enough of this.

I find it wonderfully fleshed out.

I don't find the writing bad.

I find the writing hilarious in a dark comedy way.

It's I feel like people are so, so, so uptight with exactism, so uptight with exactism that they can't enjoy dark comedy sometimes anymore.

You're like putting out this wouldn't really happen.

This would really.

Happen you want?

You want to see some funny dark comedy?

Watch Banshees in the sharing.

We're not talking about that show right now.

Funny and sad.

That's a movie.

It's funny.

It's and I find the same and I find the same level of emotion through this.

But but anyways, we'll get into this.

You can break apart all my opinions as we go through this point for point.

But we're going to go through this episode point for point and talk about everything that happened here and see if we can see if we can warm Joe's Grinch like heart on on this Christmas time series here.

But let's jump in the live chat a little bit and get a few comments here.

We got Lucian Scannon that says just finished the episode.

Great to see you.

We got Critch in the live chat.

Haven't seen Critch in a while.

Sylvan Green is people they can't kill, but they can collect dead meat, prepare nutritious fluid filled milk cartoons.

Hey Maker.

I don't know why I didn't feel like that.

That's what it was.

It was just like the people that were dying, they're just going to eat them until.

Yeah, it makes like it makes the most logical sense.

Like yeah no, the entire population will be diminished to nothing if not dead within 10 years.

Like if they can't like or damn close to it, eventually they'll be.

The numbers of human will be small enough that they can be concentrated in such a localized area that they won't have to worry about anything past like growing the fruits that fall on the ground and eating that shit.

That's the part of this series that it's hard for me not to think that you find some satisfaction with.

They don't waste a lot of time with telling us things like that, even though some of those things are obvious.

The.

I mean, that was obvious to me.

I've been saying it since the beginning.

It's.

It's only been but it's been 6 episodes but they but they actually.

Say it more than half.

That's more than half the.

That's more than half.

Half the first season.

Half the first season, Phil 6 episodes.

I'm being generous.

I don't even know if this fucking shit goes to 10 like a problem.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

See, So it's, it's three, it's 2/3, it's 2/3 of the fucking season.

And they finally tell the audience what they've been kind of dancing around.

But they've told us a lot of.

Stuff we already knew.

Like, like they like, they treat us so poorly, they treat us as poorly as they treat Carol.

And having to point out that they said Oh no no, they said it would be ideally we'd be vegetarians.

What fucking viewer of this guy's shit is not paying attention to everything?

That's the point.

They fucking?

That's the point though, that they're putting all that in so that if you pay attention, you know what's coming in the future.

Same with the the bodies thing.

They already showed the milk, milk trucks picking up bodies to kind of foreshadow that stuff that was happening.

So for a writer, that's awesome.

You litter that in and you give the clues for people who've been able to pick it up before you actually show it.

And you don't have to do a a weird big cliffhanger where you worry about what this magic thing is.

You actually know what it's going to be and it's how you do it, not what it is.

And how they did it tonight was fucking awesome.

It was fucking writer Phil.

She is a writer.

It has nothing to do with this show.

Thank you.

Thank you.

She's a fucking writer.

We're not.

We're not writers.

We see the fucking cherries being dropped, we see what they're doing.

We were here fucking 4 episodes ago as soon as they said.

Ideally, and that's what makes it fun for me as a viewer, and that's what you don't like as a.

Viewer, She's a fucking writer so much.

What's that have to do with us watching?

It in this episode, she says to the guy earlier in this episode, oh, what robots?

I couldn't think of that.

I got that kind of shit for days because I'm a fucking writer.

But she can't put any of this other shit together.

She is putting it together.

She within these last couple of episodes that you have said that nothing, nothing happened.

She found out that there's a cure, She found out that that they eat people and she found out a bunch of other information.

Every time she sets out, she's finding out a lot more information than she probably should.

My problem with the series and if there's anything that can improve about it, it's it would be bringing, it's doing what they seem to be doing.

But unfortunately, I fear that we're we're going to have to wait till the end of the.

Season, they couldn't lie.

She did.

She figured out they couldn't lie and she used that against them in in a tactical fashion.

She asked them if there's a cure and she found out there was a cure through that.

That's not nothing, Joe.

One question.

She asked them many questions.

What are you guys eating?

She did.

She didn't realize that at the time.

And then once she figured it out, there's a million fuck.

That wasn't a big secret though, obviously, because John Zena, John Zena just slapped it across our face.

John.

Cena, Yeah, John Cena, Jim Cena showed up and told us all what was going on.

And I'm sorry that you don't have enough like, loving your soul to find that funny, because that was fucking hilarious.

OK, it was hilarious.

Would it have been hilarious if it was Joey Pants?

Sure, but that doesn't matter.

It doesn't fucking matter what celebrity was on the.

Television.

OK, so I can't point out who it was.

So I can't point out who it was.

The attack.

You just you just want to hate.

No, you're a hater.

That already that joke was told when they had the guy on TV at the with the White House shit behind them.

That joke is told.

That joke is.

But it's not even a joke, though.

It's just a part of this world.

Then why there should be celebrities around?

This dude is the kind of guy that would hang out with John Cena.

So we so John Cena's there.

He.

Doesn't talk to him about himself in the third fucking person, First off.

So that's not John Cena.

It is.

It isn't a fucking bitch.

It isn't even Carol.

No, there's Mona.

No, that dude, that dude's mum's a bitch.

Carol.

Carol is not going to handle any of this.

But Carol gave them 11 more bodies to eat.

Carol is great.

The rat played dead to infect everyone.

That was wild as well.

The hive mind practices.

Jade is Joe.

I understand.

I understand that you, you know you have no love in your soul.

This.

Was the best.

Episode this was the best episode.

I think every episode has been equal quality.

That's my point like I think I think every episode has been building on each episode, opening up this world a little bit seeing it from her perspective, watching her.

I I like that she's a comedic kind of character that dark crazy things that she's almost a Charlie Brown like character at times.

Through all of this.

I find it hilarious.

Obviously the cinematography in the in the sound like I'm almost forget forget all of that.

We know all that's awesome.

That's not going to be, that's not going to be bad.

I feel like the science fiction, fantasy aspects of this or whatever the hell is going on in this world, there's a lot of, there's a lot of room for interpretation.

But I don't think you're giving her enough credit or the show enough credit for actually giving us answers for some of these things that they're doing within these few episodes.

It's not like she's discovering nothing or we're discovering nothing about this world.

We're discovering a lot about what these things can do, what their limits are.

And I think that's important.

Before you can kind of get into a deeper story in it, you have to set up all the elements of the universe.

And I think unfortunately in modern television, in the way it's set up, this first season is going to be all of this shit.

And at the end of this first season, dude from Paraguay is going to show up, and that's when our story is really going to start.

He's going to show.

I I was feeling like he was probably going to show up.

They were going to drive past each other and do like a a look over their shoulder.

Wait, that's weird.

One car after 600 miles of nothing.

You know, like.

I think he's coming at the end of the season, I think.

I, I just, I find it, I find it to be moving very slow.

I find her stumbling around to be not not funny.

She, I feel like for as seriously as she's taking this situation, she is not taking it seriously at all.

Because yes, I need to try the sodium pentathol before I give her Lord knows how much in her fucking IV tube.

Oh, dude, that's see, this is this is how I know your your, your, your your it's I wish.

I wish you could have more fun, Joe sometimes, because that scene was hilarious.

That was the best scene of the scene.

That was amazing.

Which is the that that Zosia.

Why are you going to be so stupid and fuckable?

I'm sorry.

I found that to be fucking pure, pure television gold.

I loved every second of that.

I didn't.

I found it to be.

This is waste of your time.

I understand that, but like it's for me, that is the show that that scene encompasses what I love about the show that they're taking the time to to indulge in a moment like that in, in what I find to be eye candy, ear candy, emotional candy to for characters for learning who she is and getting some real subconscious desires of who Carol is as a person beyond her gruff bullshit exterior.

That she I feel like we got so much.

We got to run truth serum for fuck's sake.

We watched her stumble around a rum.

Yeah, we admitted how she really feels about Ocean, how the aliens ultimately tapped into her psyche by tapping into exactly what kind of person that she would actually really want.

And, and, and how and how that showed why she saved her, why she saved her on the plane, why she is emotionally going to break down for Zocia later in the series.

And it comes and ultimately break her down.

She already did multiple times and kind of tried to break her out all because of that.

And we learned more about that through the scene where she got plugged.

I I think you're, you're bored and you're not noticing what's going on enough because because you're not because you're bored, because you're bored.

You got you got rose colored glasses on and you can't actually see what's in front of your fucking face.

Fair.

Because of the Rose glasses.

You can't see the red flags, Phil.

Because Joe all the all the flags are red when you have rose colored glasses.

Now we got a super chat donation from the one and only VF warlord Forever.

Great to say you guys rock.

This show is great.

The acting was good.

I didn't even eat any of my snacks and it had some side boob.

Let's fucking go.

Let's go.

Let's get into this.

Yeah, yeah, with the in the in the in the the hot tub orgy scene, we got, we got a little, we got a little side boot.

We definitely got side side butthole.

We, we, I'm not sure if we got, we got.

Granny panties.

We got that that again, that was hilarious.

Right when it was about to happen, the granny is about to take off our clothes.

It stops and then everyone's like we need to leave now that.

Wasn't hilarious.

To me, that was funny that to me, again, this is where we we, we've avoided over the years talking too.

Much that next time I'm about to pull out my fucking panties, Phil.

And.

Then and then I'm just going to leave you there in autumn.

See, here we go with this, this real, this realism fetish that that you have, Joe, this doesn't have to be real life.

This is that was funny.

That was honestly, that was funny.

There was some funny moments where or and I even thought the whole setup of her being like you, you, I got to tell you, you're going to watch this video, you're going to be really horrified.

You're going to see all these and the guy just goes, what, you mean that they're eating people?

Yeah, that's disturbing.

It's all of that sort of tone.

Joe, to me is, is, is the slice of life, the enjoyment of the series where I can sort of understand some people's complaints of it.

And obviously everyone can have complaints.

You're not feeling, you're not feeling it, whatever.

But do you feel like for you something like this because you were feeling it in the first hour?

This is a this is a Twilight Zone Black Mirror episode for you that shouldn't have gone past an hour.

And then it's as it's hanging past it's welcome time for you.

Would you say that's a proper way of describing it?

I feel like.

So what would you rather?

I would I would rather be watching the guy the from Uruguay guy.

Yes.

And I think that I think.

Wherever he's from, wherever they said he's from, I don't remember where that dude.

I would rather be watching him sit fucking silently and go through shit and just walk around and like look at, look at the cabrona and be like fuck yo.

Because, because, because he's he's more doing what you would imagine would be.

Yes and no, Yes and like me like yes and no.

Because also I would also rather be watching fucking Mr.

Westgate.

OK, you're telling me.

See, I wonder a lot of times, OK, let's get into this.

I wonder a lot of times what I would be doing in this world.

And I I want to think I'd be saving things.

I want to think I might be like paragray guy and and you and me would be packaging and packaging equipment and trying to set out for safety.

But I would probably be in in Vegas, playing James Bond, hanging out with my version, my version of John Zena, you know?

I couldn't do that either.

I couldn't be that guy because none of it's like, really like, yeah, it's, it's like he's pretending like he's won the lottery.

But like, part of that is also there's still consequences to life.

Fair, fair.

And and he also sort of yells at them for breaking character.

It reminds me a lot of The Nexus and Star Trek The Next Generation where it's where it's like, it's like, oh, this isn't real.

It's not real.

I can't do this.

We got another super chat donation, Joe, from Mad Sinister.

What if the Paraguay guy starts killing them?

That is my one of my biggest questions going through this at the beginning.

There's a lot of questions I have, Joe.

But one of my big things if we're breaking apart, what's really going on here is do any of the other of the 12 people have the same ability that Carol does?

If Perry way guy started yelling, she has an ability to kill masses of them through her emotion.

Have you not been noticing that when she yells at them, they.

I'm sorry that I didn't decide that that was her ability.

What?

That's what I'm asking.

You.

Is it that?

No, that that doesn't even enter my realm of a question to be asked?

Nope.

So you think all the all the 12 can do that?

Yes.

There's no reason to think no.

But we because we haven't seen it yet.

Right, right.

She's got superpowers.

Well, well, she's got superpowers.

I don't think she has superpowers.

I think she's part of that.

It's her ability.

No, I think she's part of the hive.

They all have superpowers.

They're a hive mind that's not fucking real in humans.

I think she's the queen of the hive.

I think she has queen control abilities of everyone in the hive.

Yes, I'm putting a tinfoil hat on my God damn head and I'm saying I think she has control, but but no, I'm more asking the question, Joe, and you just answered it in an asshole way, but you answered it the does everyone have that ability?

You think that's?

That's interesting, because that would suggest that the Hive Queen isn't part of the Hive.

I think she is part of the hive.

She just.

But but but isn't is.

Is not a drone.

I don't think she's a drone.

But she has.

No, she can't.

I this.

Is them, talk to them, tell.

Them she she can mentally tap into them a little bit.

No, I'm not.

I'm not.

There.

I'm not there yet either, Joe, I'm that's a lot of bullshit.

I'm not.

You can.

Move shit with her mind too.

Maybe we just haven't seen it yet.

We.

Don't know what kind of world this is yet.

Yeah, exactly.

We don't.

We don't we don't know what kind of world.

This is oh, we can't, we can't harvest your fucking bones because that's against us harming you, but we can.

We can force a virus upon you with they tried to stop us until we were able to overcome them and infect the whole thing, but we can't.

We can't harvest your bone fucking.

It's mean, so let's jump in the live chat for a second, Edward says.

So when you have sex with one of them, you're having sex with the whole.

Maybe it could be one giant group situation with ones getting drunk.

Not all of them are getting drunk at the same time.

They we've learned about that.

I would make the infected right and ending of Winds of Winter.

That's a good thing, John Haymaker.

They're basically killing people by forcing them to not hunt for basic survival.

Vince Gilligan is AG.

This show is of Westworld caliber.

Cool as hell.

Gary says they can't handle strong emotions so all they so they all can yell and shut them down.

OK so Gary's saying the same thing as you so you think all of them if it would paragray guys sites yelling at one of these things so why didn't?

OK my question is he called his mom a bitch?

How come she didn't fall down until like London?

Like 10 million of them die.

He he basically screamed at his mom and said get the fuck away from me.

You're a bitch mom.

And she and and that didn't cause her to fall down that.

Was one that was completely different.

Wasn't strong enough.

He wasn't mean enough.

Completely different situation.

Different, not right in my face like Carol was like.

Lots of differences between the two.

Fair, fair, I guess.

I guess it was.

I guess it was a little less intense.

That was no more emotional than Carol saying, well, you know, why wouldn't you give me a nuclear bomb?

You gave me a Renee.

Is that your Carol impression?

That's my Carol impression of that.

Scene.

Oh, wow, that's good.

That that, that that's that's Oscar worth because.

She came across to me in that scene like, like, really?

This is what you're fucking yelling at him about?

Like like, so ask for a nuke, set a fucking nuke off, let's go ask for another grenade.

Get up and kill this guy in front of you and see what happens.

I mean.

It's not him.

She said that several, several times with that's not John, that's not John Cena, that's fucking, that's not him.

It doesn't fucking matter.

That's not this person, that's not that person.

I'm glad they actually have somebody saying that in doing that, do you and the podcast as well.

So make sure you check that out.

So Joe, Joe, I also thought what was funny is, you know, stupid shit that you're not going to find funny.

The group, the group chat thing.

How you know, Carol shut out the group chat and she's so upset about it.

Eventually it was.

It was funny, but not like like it amusing is more.

There was a couple moments of this particular.

Episode that.

Did you not expect that?

Oh, I mean expect it, but part of part of being great and something being delivered awesome.

And you can think I'm drinking kool-aid and seeing things with rose colored glasses, but it's knowing it's calling your shots and still doing it wonderful.

And I knew what was going to happen.

I just thought the scene was done well and seeing her like seeing her uptightness and being that kind of person that's pushing people away but really needs people.

I think she's delivering that kind of performance very effectively through the material that, to your point, is unbelievable.

She's, she's acting to me like a real character, a character, not a human, a character in some really crazy extreme circumstances.

So her, her, her.

Response to that was right in the aspect of like it's like she was like, oh, well, of course the non-english, the people I didn't invite, well, they're not yeah, Oh no, I get that.

Like she was immediately like, I get it.

Yep, sure, but like to be like what these other people didn't, what the offended by like drugs and being a fucking cunt to everybody and a fake smile to your fucking fans.

And not just a fake smile to your fans, but like kind of shitty remarks to them as well.

Like they weren't ingenuous and like anybody who wasn't standing in condescending right?

And anybody who was standing in that line without rose colored fucking glasses was just like, I need an autograph for these three books so I can sell them at my next fucking show, right.

Like that person was sitting there going wow, this lady's a douche.

I almost felt like that was reflective of Vince Gilligan ragging on himself and the way he handles fans and stuff.

I, I couldn't have it.

We got there's.

Got to be how they all handle like you.

Like, they don't want to be there.

They're there because they're working.

They're there because they're making fucking money.

They don't have an acting gig.

They still got shit to pay.

They don't want to watch their bank accounts go.

You want to give me 25 grand to sit and sign some fucking autographs?

Abso fucking lutely, like I'll put on that fake smile, I'll shake my fucking cock for people, but like I mean hands for people, but like I like we.

What if you want him to shake the cock?

Outside, I sat outside and like smoked a blunt while Tilt had a cigarette, you know, and asked him if he wanted to go smoke with me.

And he was like, Nah man, I don't.

I don't.

You know, I'd love to, but I can't.

I'm working.

He was just on a cigarette break.

He was working like, and he probably doesn't want to.

He doesn't want herpes from every fucking fan that comes along.

Wait, are you outing yourself with herpes?

It was a long fucking time ago.

Are you, are you outing yourself with herpes?

Well, Joe, Joe is definitely back.

Oh, my goodness.

He's a fucking herpes.

Yeah.

Speak, speak.

Now Joe is back again.

Like herpes.

Joe never goes away.

He comes back.

He pops back up.

Oh, my goodness.

It was supposed to be a fire emoji.

Showed fire engine.

Oh, my goodness, it's burning.

It's all burning.

She was surprised.

Yeah, she was surprised.

People said sent her videos.

I do like everything that we've seen with Paraguay guy.

I can't wait to see him and Carol interact together, partially because I think one of the things that would make this show for some people, not myself, but for some people a little bit more engaging would be more character interactions, seeing more Tony.

Tony said this and I agree and I agree.

Carol needs a Wilson.

We we need someone for her to talk to you a little bit more often.

The the, the, her Wilson can't be Howard's message all the time.

We need something to elicit a little bit of motion for Carol.

And I think it's probably going to be Zocia at some point in time.

She what happens if Carol asks these things to let Zocia out?

Like, like I like, take one of these people out.

You guys know the cure.

I want Zosha for my for me.

Let her out.

Let her free.

Do you think they would do that for her, Joe?

You think they would let somebody out?

No, No, no, absolutely not.

They'll do anything to make her happy.

No, they wouldn't let him out though.

We need a but my point was we need a Wilson.

We need someone, something, something for her to care about or something for us, the audience, to give a shit that.

Was the point of giving her Zosha in the first place.

But I didn't give a shit about Zosha.

Is that her name?

Zosha.

Zosha.

Yeah, that's the it's Zosia.

It's it's printed.

It's spelled Zosia.

It's Zosia.

That's how you pronounce it.

I.

Believe because that like every time I hear it all I can think of as the sword and the sorcerer like Zosa is.

I mean that was the.

Demon.

Isn't that?

Isn't it supposed to be like a?

1983 movie like it was an old 8280.

Was it supposed to be the name of her character in the OR like her original character in the book?

I don't know, but every time I hear Zosha I'm like, I just, I think of that movie.

But we need, we need a Wilson that was.

If you remember that movie, it was a movie where the guy had the sword that was like 3 pieces in this in the sword.

What is it called?

What's it called again?

Sword in the Sorcerer.

I don't think I remember it.

From well, they crucified him.

Was it like an old Henson?

Was it like an old?

Henson It was like a Conan movie.

No, no, no, no.

Like a Canon movie, like an old.

Yeah, like a like a Golan and Globus or like yeah.

Oh my goodness, Conan.

Yeah.

I think Carol may have to kill a human.

You mean one of the one of the other 12?

I I think she should have already been killing people.

Killing more of the do you think?

Everybody.

You think she should be going out screaming?

Go for like going full.

You know what she should have done?

Phil rage baiting here.

She should have killed that.

Woman's fucking little boy at the fucking table.

It's not a little boy.

Correct the little boy's.

Dead.

Correct.

She showed a knife to the back of the head.

That little kid when he sat down at the fucking table and he got up, started talking and fucking knifed them right in the head.

They're all.

They're all going to die anyway.

They're all going to die anyway.

They're all going.

To die anyway in 10 years.

OK, so and the other thing that we found out in this episode that was relatively important and this is where again, I'll argue that they actually are giving us a lot more information in this first season about different stuff.

They found a way to convert them, to turn them into that, you know, to bring them into the hive, but they have to harvest their stem cells in an invasive surgery.

But they can't do the surgery without getting their permission.

How long does that hold up that they have to get their permission?

However, they just hold Carol down and do it.

I mean, and they're not happy about it.

They also, we also found out that they have something, you know, they're not happy about this situation because Mr.

D, Mr.

Dibiase, or whatever his name is, is, is whispering in the air.

He's truly in love with one of these things.

So she tells him everything that's happening.

He's he's locked in and he he politely denied or said he doesn't want to jump into the hive.

So I mean, we did find more information about how they did find a a cure for Carol and Carol's like no fucking way.

I don't want I don't want that stay away for a bit all together.

So I wonder if they'll be any more development on that, if they'll try to, if there's any way of they're going to try to figure a way to circumvent they.

Just won't take it from her head.

They're going to have to find another way to do did they, did they good point show?

Did they specifically word it like we will, We will not, We will not take your take your hip or something like that?

No stem cells will be collected from your body quotes, right?

What about from fertility clinics?

Right.

What if they?

Think.

What about What about blood samples that were taken from the doctor's office?

I don't know if there are stem cells in any blood samples probably.

Yeah, I'm not smart enough to know that stuff.

But what?

What if they can figure out a way to do it with somebody?

Else's bone marrow samples taken.

Did she ever have?

Like there's there's lots of things that that get taken that once they're taken, they don't belong to you anymore.

Like your DNA belongs yours, Specifically, Phil, your DNA belongs to a company.

What company?

I don't want to really get into your medical history.

OK, Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

I know that I actually gave some of my DNA to a company.

Yeah.

Right, and they own your DNA now.

It is theirs.

Unless you gave it to someone else beforehand, it is theirs.

I've been giving my DNA to lots of people for years.

Joe, I know.

Anyone that will take it, that will take my damn DNA.

Joe they.

Can have it.

They can have it, but you can beg me for it.

Please please.

I go to the West.

Yeah, it's been a very, it's been a a very lonely weekend here, you know, come on.

A very lonely year.

I I.

This dude, this dude's been.

This dude is.

Are you going to the?

On all of.

Them are you going to the Westgate Joe if you can pick any casino to run the whole.

You're right.

Like Caesar's Palace with the fountains out front.

I feel like.

The Westgate and fucking where is that?

Like, is that out?

That's in Henderson.

Is that even in?

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, come on, aren't you picking like, you know, the what's, what's one of those new brand new ones like?

But anyways, yeah, you're picking.

I'm picking one of these.

No, but if you're if you're fucking an apple plus you ain't paying for it for the movie.

I was going to say that if, if you're if you're the Pluribus team, you, you're picking whichever 1 you.

Ain't you ain't paying the Vegas fee for fucking filming down sunset.

It's you know why, Joe?

Las Vegas Blvd.

It's because no one, no one's in the Westgate.

So there's, so they have that place empty, you know.

It was already empty.

It's already empty.

They that they weren't blocking that off.

That's that's that's the Westgate on a Tuesday.

You know they don't they don't give a fuck.

Sorry we sorry Westgate.

We'll totally probably take free passes.

We'll come and we'll come and stay at your hotel.

How do you, how do you, how do you walk out of the Westgate, see those 7 fucking cars there and still get into that fucking cop car?

I mean, yeah, it's probably a lot more comfortable, but.

She's got the, she's got the shotgun in there.

Yep, all it does have a special place like you don't have to put it on the.

Yeah, you get the little locking shotgun mechanism situation.

I guess and the lights to get through traffic.

Exactly.

You know, come on, you know, I wouldn't want to.

I wouldn't want to drive one of those ridiculousities and stuff like that.

They can't hurt them.

That's why they need to be OK with them.

It's not just a simple kiss.

I'm sorry, Phil.

No, go for it.

Jay, this is this is me from the chat.

I absolutely agree with you.

That's the kind of shit.

Like she even says I'm a writer.

I got these ideas for fucking days.

But like, she hears this stem cell shit and she has no fucking idea that you can get like, just because this schmuck next to me said they can only get it from your hip.

There's plenty of places to get fucking stem cells from.

And like they just said they wouldn't harvest them from your body.

How she doesn't put that together.

How?

How this writer who is like, I guess very mediocre apparently, either way, like.

You've heard her book She.

Sucks right?

I know, but like even still, like our the audience here is able to put this shit together right away, like we're God her not to be able to.

I know we have the eye of God going on.

I understand that, but.

We're not in it, Joe.

Again, you're.

I don't.

They've put us in it because they've only showed us our perspective.

No, we show we Paraguay and the South American guys perspective.

Yeah, Paraguay and, and Westgate's perspective for a few minutes, but like they're not showing us macro perspective, right.

So like essentially we, we are an eye of God, but we're more of it like an eye on the, like a family on the wall.

Of Carol, we're less.

Like a family on the wall and more just like their avatars in a way or something like I don't, I don't know how to explain it.

I don't know the right terminology for it, but like.

Do you know why?

Because it's unique.

Because do you know what?

No, Joe, we're not.

Getting more than her is what I'm saying.

We're not getting more than what she's.

Yes, yes, thank you, Joe, and that's why this show is unique and awesome.

It reminds me a little bit of and you're and you're.

This is not going to be a good comparison for you, but I because the show isn't like that, but in the way that in lost in the first season, you just focused on like the small group that was in this one part of the island and they didn't know all this other shit that was going on in the island because you're so centrally focused on them.

And then as every season went on, this is about the loss being good or bad.

Then as every season went on, you learn more about it and you learned how small and insignificant your focus was on what was going on.

And I feel like this show is a little bit like that, that that as we meet more people, as more people group with Carol and eventually Paraguay guy, I think more people are going to not be in on this.

It's not just 11 people.

Some people might pop out, might be able to break some people out.

There might be some faction shit going on between people that want to go out, want to go in.

I think you're underestimating the places this can go.

And it's going slow like this for a reason.

And it's.

But, and the slowness like this for a reason is one thing, but it's another thing to intentionally make your main character stupid.

No, it's intentionally to make her so unhappily grumpy and curmudgeon Y that.

Which I don't think they've done well.

That the goal of this series is to take the, the, the, the, the, the line, the the tagline is to take the unhappiest person in the world needs to or one of the most unhappiest people in the world needs to or miserable person in the world needs to save the world from happiness.

You know why she's the most miserable person in the world, Phil.

Why is that?

Because she's one of 12 people.

Do you think that's the reason we've?

I don't think she was anywhere close to being the most miserable or saddest or depressed or any of those things.

But she was but she was someone and they showed us already by showing her up at the North Pole, seeing the seeing the seeing the Northern Lights in the ice bed in the $10,000 room that even.

Ice castles are not paradise for most people, Phil.

I mean, it wouldn't be for me, but see.

Exactly.

Seeing that would be, you know, it's a.

Beautiful if you're freezing your fucking balls off from some people, that's.

She doesn't have balls, beauty.

She doesn't have balls.

OK, whatever.

Like that's misery, not beauty.

Like like there's a key and peel skit right where they go, they go hunting and they're getting it better than I keys appeals.

Like, yo, dude, just just so you know, I talk in my sleep, so if you hear anything, wake me up.

And he's like, all right, all right, They go to bed and he's like, you bald motherfucker, you piece of shit.

Know it all.

Take me fucking camping.

It'll be fun.

He's like, dude, I think it seems like I ain't asleep yet.

Camping is not fun of it LED This says eventually they're going to find a way to do it without their consent.

I think so too.

LED this Indian guy said they were upset about it.

He did mention that.

I thought that's the first time we found out that they were actually upset in any way.

And they've also been upset at what she was doing.

When she breaks Zocia out she says her thoughts in writing.

Sucks.

I am thrown lost.

Boom.

Don't open the Hatch.

The numbers are bad.

Don't say anything about those numbers.

John Haymaker.

Misery does love company.

Company.

I'm company all over her freezing tits.

What are you talking about Haymaker?

Thisby says.

I could see the season finale being Carol and Manos meeting each other in season 2 has Carol changing into the join because her stem cells right before Manos find a cure.

I don't think one of the things that would be most surprising to me, if it ever happens in the series, it's season.

2.

No, it's, it's already, it's already been.

Fuck you, it's already been.

It's already been renewed for season, Season 2.

So Apple is good that way.

They are not the Netflix of shows.

They take shit.

For and Joe, most people aren't in a donic and can't be happy and like this show.

I like plenty of shows I go, I like.

I like Silo so much I read the books.

I didn't see, I didn't like the.

Throne so much I read the book.

See, I didn't like Silo.

Like I couldn't get.

Let's see.

And this is where we get into everyone likes different shows.

If we're talking about Silo, I'd be telling you how boring and shitty it is.

You know, like so.

I I wouldn't argue with you.

I like it anyway it's but but I like some bad stuff too.

I really wouldn't argue with like she does a lot of stupid.

There's a lot of stupid shit like, but you know.

To be stupid as human Joe, Let's take another super chat from VFW.

Thank you or VF warlord, she's miserable because she lost someone she loved.

I've lost her girlfriend tragically.

You don't get over that shit.

I'm so sorry for your loss, warlord.

Lots of love to you.

Thank you so much for that super chat.

And seriously, dude, I think we all have lost different people.

So we all can relate to that kind of energy.

And I think they do depict that well with her in those tragic moments where they're showing her emotional connection to her.

And one of my favorite parts or something that I don't think you were here for Joe a couple of episodes ago is when she's she's slapping.

The truth serum.

And she's asking, she's asking what did Helen really think of her books and her artwork?

Before the truth serum, that was what the guy.

Oh yeah, with the guy, with the Jeff, Jeff Heller dude, yeah.

I just don't think that was a funny moment of of because it sets up every relationship where you're dating somebody that and you're like, oh, how's my song?

How's my thing?

And they're like every.

Parent with a child that wants to be artistic.

Exactly.

And then what did they really think?

And I thought that was, and those are those little weird character comedy moments, Joe, in this series that that that I live for personally, that that I really love seeing.

And that to me, that's, that's that's character growth, character progression, character digging and comedy mixed in in a dark kind of way.

And using the platform of this kind of world to find find funny moments where you can pick interesting dynamics.

Like to sit there and go, oh, yeah, you know what?

She'd wonder if Helen liked her books, if Helen thought she she thought she was a talented writer.

And I thought that stuff was done pretty well in these last couple of episodes as well as well as well can I say as well, five more times, please?

What would the show be like if Helen lived?

I think Carol, I think she would have left Carol.

But the question is what would have happened if Helen lived and was turned?

Because so far we've seen these 1112 people and most of them, OK, we got we got Mr.

Dibiase.

I think that's his name, whatever Mr.

D, the Vegas guy who's treating it like a big role play and getting surrounded by celebrities and and every hot girl we can possibly find in the world.

Then we have everyone else that has a family member that has turned and they're kind of like tapped into pretending that their family dynamic still exists.

Indian woman with her kids.

I think a couple of other people, husband and wife couple here and there that, you know, they're pretending nothing really happened or trying to do that.

And then we have Carol and Manos Mano, whatever his name is, the guy, the the the the the dude, the Paraguay guy, and they don't have anybody.

So they're dealing with this world in a different way, like dealing with it like a fuck you, more of a fuck you vibe.

Do you think Carol would have?

And I guess this is just more of an open question.

Would Carol of had a different reaction to this if Helen was alive but turned?

And Joe, this goes to you too.

If we've you've said this a little bit at the beginning.

If you're in this world and Katie or Larry or me or somebody, we're the turned ones and you're the normal and you're Carol in this situation.

Are you nice to the back of our heads?

You all die.

Yeah, well, I'll die.

We're die.

You're you're knife to the back by.

My hand, you're no longer you.

As far as I'm concerned, it's against your will no matter what comes out of your mouth after after the.

Fact.

You don't try to you don't make put any effort towards trying to come up, especially when you find out there's a possible cure.

You you kill us first, get the cure later.

Here's.

The thing, here's the thing, I'm only going to get to kill one or two of you before.

We all sort.

Of you end up on the other side of the world and it's almost impossible for me to get to.

Yeah, but before, before we hundreds of us get in the house all at once and sort of separate you from being able to kill many of us.

So you'll probably only be able to kill me.

You know I would have already set off nukes.

Once you found out you could get them, you'd be you'd be like.

But I would have like scotched Earth motherfuckers.

That's full out alien invasion.

This is no longer humanity.

One of the things about humanity is the individuality the the non, you know, 5 mind aspects.

So in that aspect you're you're taking.

You have your own personality, so.

You would rather take yourself out and everyone at the same time.

So you're you're taking yourself out too in that situation, just taking it all out.

You're not hiding from that nuke.

If I'm actually doing nukes.

Yeah, you're not hiding from that nuke.

Yeah, where, Where you're hiding, you're not hiding in, I guess.

I guess I'm going to like Denver climbing in the fucking mountain.

I guess then like like living in living in that that complex.

I guess for the rest of my.

Life, yeah, living in a van down by the river is not going to work on this one.

Right, but no, like I'm none of them are saying like it's the alien invasion has happened.

Listen, right from the beginning, it's easy to see where we're going to starve them.

They're they're easy.

It's an easy target.

Once everybody on the planet, the intelligent species that are able to decode our signal and infect themselves with this fucking virus, are easy conquests, they are no longer a even if they're not conquests, we've killed that species and they are no longer a threat.

It was it was it's I have to remind me later, Joe, to show you some of the some of the some of the bad Joe versions.

Frisbee says the scene of them gambling and partying in Vegas was just Kumba playing dress up play time with a hive when they kiss themselves.

The fact that the bodyguards assumed to be part of the orgy.

And I do love that he was playing one big giant game of make believe too, and how he sort of told them to cut out and like stay in character.

And we'll get into that in a moment here.

So we open up in the aftermath of whatever she saw.

And she's I like how they started out here.

Not in the moment.

I kind of thought we would have to wait till halfway through the episode to find out what happened in the scene, but they kind of got right to it.

And we see her running out of the the room with like a purple tone and she's grossed out.

And she does, she pukes, the puke's also purple.

The music's intense.

And she heads to the cop car to get the camera and she runs back in.

Then we get the POV Blair Witch style camera as she heads in and she gives a tour of the warehouse in Albuquerque.

And, and basically it's not, it's what's most people speculate.

There was a lot of speculation on what this was, what was in the box, what was in this situation situation, what was in this chart.

I think it was obvious that it was going to be dead bodies in some way, shape or form.

It's a lot of fun to kind of pull off it, but I don't think usually Vince in moments like this historically in his shows don't, he doesn't really make it a big like, oh, what's in the box?

What's the mystery box?

It's usually obvious what's in the mystery box.

It's how it's going to be presented to you.

And it was presented in a very uniform way.

There's just, they're like packaged like butterball turkeys.

There's just human parts and the whole place, it has all these body parts vacuum sealed.

And she talks on the video, she's like, this is a big meat grinder.

It's, it's all being cooked and grinded together and, and packaged and people are eating and turning it into this powder and it's gross.

So we cut and she's at home with her disk and she's going to mail this out to people and she writes a letter and she looks around.

You can't really see what's on the letter.

She starts to pack up and get ready to head out.

And this is a good pause.

And she starts, she grabs her own vacuum and starts vacuuming up all the dust of the human parts that are on her floor.

I think that's what she was doing and she hops.

Yeah, it was the powder from the bag.

OK, so it was the human powder.

That's what I thought it was, but I wasn't sure.

And we don't know if that was human powder or that was the other stuff, because they were taking all the things that were going to be dead soon or rotted soon and putting them in this mix for calories.

As we find out later, well.

It's just blurry.

It's not just human right, but it's a flurry of stuff.

It's not that is a that's a fairpoint Joe, and that's a good sort of clarification.

It's not they're not choosing or actively making it a point to eat humans.

What they're doing is they, and we'll get to this a little bit later, they can only eat stuff that has naturally fallen.

Derived protein.

With the human stuff.

But I'm saying with everything that we get into the stupidity of these fucking things where they can't even pick an apple.

Yep, because that's hurting the plant.

But they can milk cows because that's actually relieving something.

Beneficial to the to the No, no, the cows still need milking because what we've done to cows is we inject them with so much hormone, we tricked their bodies into making them like.

So it would actually be harmful.

It would be harmful to them not to be milked.

Not to be milked, correct?

OK, then eventually those cows won't need to be milked anymore.

They can be like genetic out of it or something like that.

It'll just.

Just over repetition, go back to normal.

Go back to normal normal cows, let them run free.

So like.

When you're when you're not forced to be pregnant.

Fucking 24 hours whole life.

So Haymaker says I knew they wouldn't waste all that protein bone appetit says I and Haymaker also adds she sees how the Yeah, she saw the sausages were made.

The piece says human derived protein.

It would be wasteful not to repurpose those bodies.

Absolutely.

I mean, it's harmful that out of all the things that these things are doing, Joe, as gross as this is going to sound, I totally get it.

Like it's smart.

Logic.

It dies though.

It's everything.

That's what I'm saying.

It's it's not just, it's.

Everything that dies is going to go into this.

Slower.

Exactly.

It's not about human remains, it's about if a tree falls down and apples are on that tree or berries are on that tree.

Those berries that fell off the tree are going into it with human deer parts and insects and whatever other shit that has protein they can throw in this fucking stuff.

It's not about it's not about the humans necessarily.

They they they even mentioned John Zena mentions it and I and I believe them that that we don't we don't really like this whole concept of eating people.

It's not really our dig dig.

You know a.

Lot of people are uncomfortable with it, but when it comes down to it, they're more uncomfortable with starving to death tomorrow than starving to death 10.

Years, 10 years from now.

So do you think, do you think the hive mind just, if we're sort of sketching out future events of what they may do because they know that they have 10 years to survive, do they decide to Thanos themselves and snap and kill half their own population of people?

Like, can they do that?

Can they hurt themselves?

No.

They can't do it.

It's just going to be a natural die off.

It's not going to be like and every one of them that dies feeds 10 of us for a week.

Pick a fucking apple, dumb ass.

You know what I mean?

Like so like, their deaths are going to be considered saving the lives of those that are still alive?

Right.

I guess so, Joe.

So we go off.

To at first I don't want to eat you, but I want you to eat me to stay alive, Phil.

I mean, I don't know if I could eat you, Joe.

Right.

Like that's that's what they're basically saying.

Fair.

Yeah, yeah, I guess.

I mean, I think they're just helpless fucking fools and they don't know what to do.

They're just like.

They're not.

Yeah, they are helpless fools.

They're infected with a virus that is meant with a very specific purpose of either conquering or killing or stifling the intelligent population on a planet so that they are not a threat when you decide to invade.

So you're still on this invasion leaving their Galaxy?

So you're still on this invasion thing, that this thing is leading to a invasion of some sort?

Either that or or it like I said, it's either for now.

It takes forever to travel from away from a solar system.

You know, for those Voyager to get away from fucking this.

So it's been like 30, almost 50 years, almost 50 years to get out of the to get from Earth to the interstellar zone.

Do you mean with Captain Janeway like?

No I mean with the I'm getting void the other one that they sent out.

OK, JJ, it took it took a long time for Janeway to.

Get back your nerd is showing more though.

Sorry it took Janeway a long time to get back with those things that she had to find the morgue over.

So it takes forever to travel right?

So it might not be for an invasion, they might, it might take them another 100,000 years to even get here in a ship, and maybe they decide along the way that it's not worth it to come here.

But either way, what they've done is they've killed the population so that it can't come to them, right?

So either way, mission successful.

We killed an intelligent species that can no longer be a threat to us, or we can go there and take all the resources because that intelligent species no longer needs them.

They're then gone.

And we were dumb enough to let the rat out of the case and.

Ourselves, correct?

And infect ourselves exactly so we're we're not dumb enough to go.

I was dumb for a second here as we went to Vegas.

I I wrote Vegas or Riviera because the chips they were using Joe, I got I got I got weird with like I got weird gambling because at the table at the table they were using Riviera chips.

And I don't know if this guy like square chips.

Yeah, the square, the square European chips.

And I don't know if I could be wrong.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

True gambling people that have been in a place where you can get this stuff in Vegas, but in my experience that you you only see that stuff overseas.

So I don't know if this guy brought those special chips over to play in this casino or we or we requested them or I'm just reading into it too much because I'm a fucking the generate gambler.

So but either way, I did strangely notice that Joe, I'm like, are they using?

Are they?

Are they in the Riviera?

Like that's the only time I ever see those chips.

But maybe because now it makes sense now I'm thinking about it out loud because he was doing the James Bond role play situation with the guy with the eye patch.

So he probably specifically ordered that he wanted the James Bond chips from from a specific movie he was thinking about.

And when James Bond's playing baccarat in those movies, he's using the review.

With Doctor No, I think is the movie so Casino Royale.

Casino Royale.

So he, he, he probably was trying to copy that and that's why he ordered those specific chips.

So so I I retract my protest.

He's got Mclarens and Ferraris.

These aren't the type of chips that goes out of the square.

Ones exactly.

Give me those square chips.

I can, I can.

All right, we'll do the role play tomorrow.

Until then, to the hot tub.

Exactly.

And no clothes allowed, especially with the maids like I, I love that stuff, Critch says.

Joe was licking pastries from day one, Carol.

What you mean?

Licking pastries.

You were infecting other people.

You were.

You were.

You were.

You were using your.

Oh, OK, right.

Like they were licking the Donuts.

Yeah, licking the doughnuts.

I got it.

I remember now.

OK, Carol's, I was confused.

I'm not.

I'm not anymore.

Carol's brilliance is compromised by her arrogance.

The virus is designed to wipe out organic intelligence, starting with no hive mind.

Virus had compulsion.

K Rich, one of our long, long time viewers.

As usual, throw in the fucking knowledge out there.

Thank you K Rich and thank you to all of our super chatter tonight.

Super chatters tonight means more than you know.

He was doing, he was doing Austin Powers.

It looked Austin Powers, yes.

It looked like #1 there, but I think that was, I think Austin Powers is doing James Bond.

So they both were doing James Bond.

So it seems like he was doing Austin Powers, right?

Or maybe he was doing Austin Powers.

The scene would have been even more amazed if Mads Nicholson was there.

He got the same car and all the different colors.

That's what it seemed like LED this and we got carriage.

It's great to see carriage the nerd 116 in the live chat.

I think the point is to spread the signal to spread or to spread this this virus or spread spread the virus to as many different places as possible.

Cast a wide net.

I mean, you could if we're looking.

At that's what's going on, so.

That's the in Voltramites, I was going to go to Invincible.

That's kind of they spread their things across.

The Paraguay guy found the one channel that he question marked and question mark that has some sort of signal.

And that would be the one channel that they leave open broadcasting the virus to boost that signal that they picked up from somewhere to the next planet.

That of idiots that will make it and kill themselves and start broadcasting that signal for the next planet of idiots like you.

You can kill off all the Intel, like, like you said, kill off all the fucking intelligence.

Galaxies at a time, star systems at a time, just the radio signals.

You let the intelligence create their own fucking device because then they're not going to be intelligent enough.

They're still in that like, you know, curiosity killed the fucking human stage.

Absolutely.

The scene would have been it the fact that the hive used a fake eye patch.

7 billion and not one, not they couldn't find one person with.

Yeah, one person with a real eye patch to play that part.

Excellent point.

I didn't think about that haymaker.

They should have licked Cinnabons when that scene first happened in the commercial or in the the trailer for it.

I kind of thought it was going to be a Cinnabon.

Yeah, they'll be building a broadcast scope.

Interesting stuff, guys.

OK, so we go off to Vegas with the Riviera.

It's party time.

Lots of drunk Hive members, but they're playing a part.

We're following a waitress.

Pass on some Sorry.

Oh no, you're fine.

I agree with them.

Like listen, the scene would have hit even better and would have been funnier to that to that point.

You have that scene play out and when they all fucking stand up, he pulls the eye patch off and he's got a big fucking hole in his head or like scarred over fucking gnarly eye socket showing.

Like because to them all, it doesn't fucking matter anymore how you look or whether you have that kind of deformity.

You're all one big happy, peaceful mind.

But this guy sitting at the table wanted the character with the eye patch and he got it, but it was actually a guy that needed it, but only really needed it for your fucking role play.

That would have been brilliant, hilarious on so many levels, extremely dark fucking comedy, and completely fucking missed by the entire team over there of writers.

But not the guy in our fucking chat or the person in our fucking chat.

Like almost like missed by me too.

But like because that's what was missing in that scene was the fact that that guy had both eyes.

Fucking ruins it.

Ruins it.

Straight up fucking ruins it.

I didn't think it was that bad until now.

Now that I see the potential missed the lost fucking moment, I'm even more.

I'm now upset about it.

I wasn't before it was just an OK scene.

Now I'm like upset about that scene.

Thanks whoever the fuck said that in chat.

Ruin the show even more for me.

Thanks Bisbee, we almost had Joe talking about this show and that was a rant.

Yeah, he's been saying a lot of shit in this chat.

Got some good.

I like this.

PJ Donahue says I regret starting this show.

Sonic says I could easily see Phil playing out of WO 7 role play in a Vegas scene.

I could absolutely see this stuff.

Tape delay Joe rant.

Oh my goodness, Deep deep drip fed so little I.

Agree.

PJ Donahue, I agree so much.

OK Fed so little.

So little movement for for for not a good for not good.

Payoff We finally found Joe's alt account in the live chat.

We go.

We.

Got two of them.

I'm using 3 alt accounts right now.

Phil, I got his V up, I got PJ Donahue up, and I took over Christian's account.

So you're typing with a different part of your body.

OK, so the waitress is serving some drinks and we got had a cool perspective shot as we go up to Mr.

Deviasi or Mr.

D, whatever his name is.

We see him at we've talked about the same eye patch guy.

Number one with a bunch of high rollers.

The pod is huge.

The eye patch guy is all in Mr.

D calls.

He's got eye patch guys got a straight flush and then Mr.

D pulls out the royal flush.

How lame would that feel if it wasn't real?

Like it feels so lame to me to play play money poker like and that's really you're actually playing like imagine if.

Do it.

I cannot play play money fake poker.

I'm just like all in every fucking time.

Why not?

Yeah, me too.

Like 2-7 all and three nine all.

I'll re up the money tomorrow, I don't give a fuck.

It doesn't work to practice.

It's fucking bullshit.

So this is one step worse than that.

Joe helps bad habits.

Is what it does.

It really does.

And Joe, this is one step worse than that.

This is not.

This is.

Just this isn't even playing poker.

You're filling out a role-playing scene.

Has nothing to do with poker.

It has everything to do with I won and now I'm going to fuck the five ladies and the me.

Side note, were they playing five card draw?

I think they're playing five card draw.

Yes, yes.

For whatever it's worth, I don't care, but I'm just saying.

It was definitely 5 card because they each had their own.

Right, and it couldn't have been 5 card stud because they weren't showing any cards unless it was.

Can you play 5 card stud without the two without the model?

The cards are showing.

Right.

So it was 5 card draw.

It was 5 card draw.

So they're they're playing middle school poker anyway.

So whatever they're playing strip poker, poker and that is which I don't think you can play.

I'm sure you can play 5 card poker somewhere in Vegas, but it's not it's not common anyways.

Resistance is futile.

You will play our game.

We are Joe, you will be assimilated.

The whole the whole chat, the whole chat is a biological imperative to become Joe.

So they all applaud him for winning the hand and oh, and then eye patch guy claps.

And this is where this part was funny to me.

Joe aside from if he didn't have an eye patch or not, but maybe yes, if he took it off and had had a hole in his eye and he was clapping too.

But but he starts clapping.

And this is this is the part that made me laugh more out loud, literally out loud in the episode.

He goes and and Mr.

G goes stop, don't break character.

He's just like he's like wait, stop and and then they applaud and he leaves and it's kind of creepy as as he's walking away, the hive snaps back in and goes into clean up mode and and it's.

Only creepy once.

It there is some element to we're seeing the same joke or the same creepy element over and over again.

That being said, cause an empty casino is a pretty creepy thing into itself.

Empty cities.

It's always creepy.

It always looks a little weird.

Yeah, I, I mean, but but what doesn't look a little weird is we flash over to the hot tub in a fun group in the hot tub and it's it's a great little visual.

We got a little side boob side, butt side, side penis side everything.

We have a good hot tub time machine, good fun.

And then the and then the maid comes in and she's like, can I come in too?

And he's like, sure, it's a party.

One the barrier.

And she's about.

She half strips and everyone pauses and freezes.

Carol's coming.

Yeah, Yep, and fucking.

Party's over.

We all need to leave.

Enjoy your blue balls the.

And they tell him he can come with her and he can avoid Carol.

He doesn't have to deal with.

Her, you don't have to.

Stay and he shows that he's actually he feels like he owes it to her to talk to her.

And I I thought this guy, this guy made leaps for me in this episode, Joe from going from a character caricature to a real character like in the 1st.

And I think each eleven of them, each of the other 11 people because we now we're talking about three of them that seem like real people to me have a chance to do that.

But these three are good start like Carol, this guy on the other end of the phone.

His his girl, his his, his hive girl.

Is is he?

Yeah, I think that's who I think he is, but I did.

Make maybe he's talking to.

Indian.

Girls one of the one of the 13.

I thought he was talking to his number my #1.

One of the 13 that doesn't speak English.

Maybe he was already with this person so he gets an invite to go meet Carol but his girlfriend isn't even though them two happened to happened to get through this together.

I don't know.

He was being, he's being, I don't know.

I thought I, you could be right, Joe.

I do think I did make note of that in the, in the chat or in the notes.

I did make a lot of.

Possibility there and I think it's I feel as though if it was his, his whatever, like she could be on like floor 5, right, because as far as when she was like I'll just go take my own floor, my own suite.

That whole hotel could be filled with them.

They're just behind locked doors, right A?

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So empty.

Vegas reminds me of when I went there.

Right at the beginning of it was like the beginning of it.

It was like the first, the first like first month in Vegas was empty.

I felt like I was.

One of the three people at the encore when it shut down or like when it was like everybody out 3:00 AM that's it no more bets.

Get out.

Doors are getting locked.

Get out.

Like we were there for that on.

That what was weird about Vegas at this time, in the time I was in there, I think it was March, March 2020, it's end of March, beginning of April 2020, whatever it was, and they were still running everything, but it was like empty.

So it'd be like you just have the whole casino to yourself.

It was it was very, it was very weird.

It was it.

Was like it that night.

It was like a snowstorm too.

So it was all already kind of empty.

And then they were like, yeah, we're closed from COVID, get out, get out.

You guys get the heck out of here, you motherfuckers.

And the.

Members on the night of Ilya's BBQ disappeared.

The night I passed out in the park and got picked up by the.

Car.

No, no, no.

It was the BBQ before that, yes.

Yes, it was the BBQ before that.

It was the BBQ before that anyways, so who would be my chaperone if you're one of the 13?

We all know Joe is my shit buddy.

So, so, so I would think Joe.

Would they would end up we would end up probably or Nick or.

Yeah, the we would end up as our group, as many as many of us that were at that summer party would come together as.

Much as possible.

Exactly.

We we would find some combination of all of us that survived in that and because, because none of us would not, not all of us would be like Paraguay guys.

Our whole, our whole group would be.

Essentially, yeah.

But in fairness, I would also be, I, I'm can't lie that I wouldn't be a little bit like Mr.

Dibiase in Vegas.

I would be, I would have at least this is the thing.

It's like the Bill Murray and Groundhog's Day thing.

I would do it for a while and then it would become boring.

I would do that once or twice.

You can't.

For me anyways, doing something like that would.

Be fun.

It's a little creepy.

I'm I'm talking about the playing the poker, the big role.

Play OK just the cars the.

Cars and hanging out like and like and having like.

Take me on a fire on a jet ride.

Yeah, exactly.

Take me to.

I'm driving.

Fire engines.

Take me to the roller coaster, take me to Disney World, take me to, you know, universal to the the Mario rides.

I want to go to every single place right here.

I want to go hang out with.

I want.

To go sleep in the Queen's bed.

Exact something like that, you know, whatever.

Like, I want to, you know, sit to have a drink on Deep Space 9, rebuild Deep Space 9 for me and let me let me sit at Quarks bar, you know, like stupid shit like that.

I would definitely be feeding into it.

And yeah, maybe I would say, hey, I want to go have a candle at dinner with Marissa Tomei.

I might say that Joe, like kill me.

I'm a little creepy.

Yeah, no.

So having a dinner with Marissa Tomei is different than like is different.

Fair, but I might take it a little further if Marissa's into it and.

Of course she's going to be because she just wants to make you happy and you doesn't Every prostitute with 10 bucks.

And I'm this, this, I'm not paying.

I'm just paying with getting drunk enough that I don't care, you know, good enough for me by that point in the evening.

I'm just.

But my point is, even if I did that and went down that road, it would get boring quick.

Yeah, of course it would.

And you?

After about a million dates, candlelight.

After about a million candlelight dinners I might get.

Bored.

I'm bored.

Certainly wouldn't be tired.

No, no, no, no, yes, build me a holodeck.

Exactly Sonic botched eye surgery.

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It's incredible and you are very welcome everyone that is a new member.

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OK, so she's she heads to the penthouse up to meet with Mr.

D He does not leave.

He welcomes her in.

He it's kind of a funny moment with the with bringing out the television.

Excuse me, very dramatic introduction to the television or no?

He calls her, her her other videos.

She's surprised that they actually sent her videos to them, which sets up what happens later.

But he calls her videos very dramatic.

Oh, yeah, we all watch your videos.

You're very dramatic.

And she sets up what's going to happen.

You know I'm going to show you.

I have something else to show you.

You're not going to believe this, Joe.

This is the most disgusting thing you've ever heard before.

Like you're not going to believe it.

I'm going to show you.

I have this evidence.

I can't tell you.

You have to see this to believe it.

Joe.

Yeah, Carol.

All you had to do was ask him.

Remember, they can't lie.

They can't.

And then?

Found this shit out 12 days ago, Carol.

But why would she thought of it?

Why wouldn't she have?

Would.

You have thought of that media, yes?

Phil I would have been asking her fucking everything.

I would have been asking a lot too, but I might wouldn't have immediately gone to Are you eating people?

I'm sorry my mind doesn't work like that, Joe.

Follow up question, I'm talking to a fucking I.

So you're a vegetarian?

Ideally, yeah.

And I'll just let that glance over and and forget that I'm actually talking to someone.

And what does that mean?

Ideally?

Like no, I'm just going to fucking ignore the shit you say because I'm just too traumatized by this.

Joe fucking orgy Joe, I'm with you.

I am a curmudgeon.

I ask questions up the ass.

I annoy people with my questions.

What I'm saying is, in that line of questioning, I would not rush in any way, shape or form to are you?

Eating.

It was already there.

You were already there.

You're not at that point, You're.

There, you know you were already there, having the conversation about what you were eating.

It wouldn't and people wouldn't pop in my head.

Said to them it.

Would have it.

Wouldn't you said to them.

It popped into my head immediately and that's why it's been sent so many times, and that's why they even brought it back up, because anybody who was paying attention heard ideally.

Which means no, we're not vegetarians.

Thank you for pointing out how good the writing is and something I missed and you picked up.

No.

Yes, yes, you just.

Did how good the writing is.

That's how bore your attention is.

No, I missed one thing.

You're missing so much.

So I guess both of our attentions suffer sometimes.

I'm.

Missing SO.

Much You're missing something.

I'm seeing.

I'm seeing you.

You don't.

See anything?

When you're wearing bullshit, when you're when you're see red constantly like you do all everything's red.

So he doesn't he's like, I'm not bothered about, you know, you know, the other eating people.

It's problematic, it's troubling.

And let let me turn on this video so John Zena can tell you all about it.

Hi, everybody, I'm television's John Zena.

Listen, I'm going to talk to you about eating people.

There's, there's the alive situation, right?

This this has been talked about since that.

Movie you you mean you mean the people on the the mountain and the.

Yeah, right.

Like that's a true like that.

You don't want to.

You don't want to fucking eat people when you're dead.

I mean you.

That's a true story.

True.

Story like that, yeah.

Like people will eat you, will be eaten when it comes down to it.

Your cat will eat you.

Your fucking dog will eat you.

No, not in the house can get to you.

But when you fall down dead, if nobody comes to that door fast enough, Like what was his name?

Fucking Gene Hackman was partially and his wife.

They were partially fucking eaten by their.

Dogs.

Yeah, yeah, that's fucking gross.

But you're absolutely right.

That was.

I definitely remember that being part of it.

OK, so I know you said So what?

Big deal, John Zena.

It could have been, could have been any celebrity.

It could have been any celebrity, but that's why, like, it it that joke being done with the White House thing.

Like it's cool.

I love John Cena, I'm glad I saw him.

Yeah, I thought he and I thought he killed this line delivery.

He did a he did a very robotic very.

And the way he explains this about the food and about the the animals.

Animals need milking natural food drops basically.

Basically, we can only eat stuff that naturally drops.

We can't eat, we can't eat, we can't pluck plants off of trees, but if they fall, sure, we can eat them.

We can't kill animals, but if anything dies, we'll eat them.

But we're remaining to live off is all the food that's leftover right now.

But we're going to take all the human parts, grind them up and grind every other piece of thing we can find.

Food, possible protein we could possibly find, grind it up because then we got 7,348,000,000.

300 calories in each of these.

Containers exactly.

And we have yeah 7 billion people, 348,000,280, 80,000, yeah 202,800 and 92411 people.

Numbers are hard.

Yep, It's really hard.

And especially when they're that, especially when they're that Big Joe, I had to write it out like 7 billion 340.

8 numbers 7 billion out of your mouth.

348,000,200 and 8092 series for the 400 It's a lot OK so The thing is a lot.

You just want to hear dirty numbers coming out of my mouth, don't you, Joe?

That's.

What I hear.

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OK, so yes, Joe, they have the 411 calories.

They're in a caloric deficit, but they can someone.

The funniest line of the the whole celebrity cameo thing was was somebody, somebody John Zena's size needs this many calories.

Needs 8.

Needs eight of these.

Needs eight, Yeah, needs eight of these things a day.

But most of these foods, we, we're going to call it HDP, human derived proteins.

They die naturally.

What would you want us to do with it, Carol?

Do you want us to bury it like a bunch of fucking sickos?

Do you want us to burn it and waste it?

No, We're going to use the dead bodies for a proper use.

And we're not keen on this, Carol, but we have no choice.

And we hope this and we hope this clears up all this mess and, and if you need us, leave a voicemail because we still need our space.

Carol.

Joe, why do you think they need space?

Do you think they they're doing it because they think it was what will make Carol happy?

Are they doing it because of self preservation and Carol's killing them?

Yes.

Both or the second one?

No, the second one.

Second one, you think, you think they're actually being self.

They're like you're killing us.

Until we can find a way to stop you, we have to stay away from you.

Yes, because if if being around her is going to is going to cause is if the if they decide that the chance that being around her is going to cause another mass kill, then they don't want to take they cannot take chance to be around.

Why not?

That's more.

Food that's doing it on purpose, that's killing on purpose.

Though Ah, interesting, interesting.

See again.

If a chance, if they believe the chance is less than 50% or 20% or significantly less, where they feel like they might be able to decrease it even further by de escalating by talking and things like that which they were trying.

It's still worth it to be around her.

I guess.

I don't see why it would be worth it for any of them to be around these 12 or 13.

Samuel says Carol is toxic.

I could see Phil and Joe in the White House arguing pluribus instead of working on policy.

I heard John Zena's voice but I didn't see John Zena.

Same Samuel.

It was his 300 calorie per carton deficit.

He would be skinny.

Zena.

Meat is meat.

Everyone has to wear their nose cancelling headphones around.

Carol listening on tape could still set them off.

No, That's a good question, Cam.

Could one of Carol's voice messages set them off and destroy them?

Probably not.

It probably has to be some sort of direct attack on them.

As far as we know, on the phone doesn't do it.

It was only it's only been when she's in person, right around them.

Right?

You're muted, Joe.

Yeah, No, we don't.

Why would you think that?

We don't know that.

In fact, we would.

We're supposed to think exactly the opposite, which is why we're not even going to talk to you on the phone.

We will only listen to your message and if it's and if and if it's not something you need and if it's to yell and scream at us.

I'm sure they might just not listen to it.

Yeah, very fair.

And Joe, I appreciate the contrarian standpoint.

I like that.

I love this show and I like that you have issues and break, break up.

That's part of what makes it.

Yes, it is fun when we both agree to either hate something or dislike it.

But it is fun to kind of go back and forth about this stuff as well.

And I don't think, from what I'm hearing what you're saying, you don't hate everything about this show.

This isn't The Walking Dead for you.

It's just there's just some problems.

You're having some problems there.

I feel like there's some lazy writing going on.

Fair.

I don't feel like he.

I feel like he's taken more of an executive role of the right, like relaxed into, I don't know, I just don't feel, I feel like there's some lazy writing going.

On and I feel like there's some intentional writing going on that's going to turn us on our head later they're they're putting us into a certain place to switch the game up in a really unique interesting way well I.

Hope so because so far I have found nothing.

So one of the things I look for in a show is a character that's likable, that I want to actually watch and care about.

Yeah, and I have that Carol, and I have it that's not Carol, and I have it in Carol.

I find Carol relatable and likable.

Wow.

I do.

I really do.

All right.

I I find I would be a lot like Carol in this situation.

Whether you're like Carol or not is different.

I just said whether or not you like.

I said relatable and likable.

I like myself, Joe.

Uh huh.

I'm gonna I.

Do not, I think, I think you do like yourself and I think you're and I like you, but I don't think that you would like someone in your life that behaves like Carol.

I have plenty of people in my life that behave like Carl.

I behave like Carol.

I like television characters that I don't necessarily would like in real life.

I like Quark, I like Garrett.

I wouldn't want to hang out with those characters real.

Qualities.

And so does.

Carol, I haven't found one.

I have what?

I've keep saying them over and over.

I'll just point them out in a moment.

Right now.

I find her compelling.

I find her funny.

I find her sidonic.

I find her interesting.

I find her honest and blunt in some ways.

I also find her like comedic and quick minded and in inquisitive in the right way.

I also find her emotional and like relatable in the way that her emotions react certain things.

Do you want me to keep going?

Yeah, but I don't think those are I.

Don't.

You're telling me I don't?

Know, I said.

I don't think she embodies any.

You don't.

You don't, I do correct And that.

And there lies our biggest divide in our enjoyment in the series And so.

I don't like her.

I don't find anything good about her.

Oh, I like her.

I don't.

Find anything compelling about her to want like.

I think she's a mirror for me to.

See how she gets out of this next.

One, that's not how I'm thinking about.

It there she goes.

That's, I mean, I think you're too see, no, I don't think about this show at all like that.

Yeah, look, you can't.

Cuz cuz I could, but that's that's that's that's such a simplistic, that's such a simplistic way of.

Looking at it.

Joe it is, it's so cool.

It is you're stuck.

You're go watch silo, you know, come on.

But but anyways, so a week later, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, It's it's but I do find those other things too.

I do I do kind of follow and I'm excited to see what happens next and see where the where the next place goes.

But that's not so much why I'm invested in her her as I'm I'm investing more of her growth as a character and seeing her journey through this world.

Let's get in the live chat.

Phil and Carol shipping begins.

Absolutely.

Let's get the I'm team Kumbaya.

Good evening, Nibs.

Yes great movie.

The banshee of the instrument.

Most of his movies are oh the movie Joe was talking about before Love Silos's Sonic.

OK, we are.

Where are we at?

John's.

Hey, Sonic, I'll answer your question right now.

The the easy answer, the real answer, the truthful answer, is all three of the characters that you've chosen for me to want to live with, right?

In all three of those universes, time periods, or places.

I can kill all three of them.

Who gives a fuck?

I don't have to live with any of them.

Ivar.

They all just die.

Ivar, he's got no bones, dude.

He ain't killing nothing.

Ivar, kill you.

He'll fucking lay there.

Pull yourself along like Jesse the dog.

Ivar will kill.

You.

No, that's horrible to me.

But I would.

I'd kill him.

Anyways, OK, so we blah, blah, blah.

Where are we John Zena?

OK, so after the John Zena situation, we talk a lot about what there's a little mention about what Joe was talking about earlier.

The lawyers speak.

They lied.

No, they didn't lie.

They said it in a very specific way.

And none of those, none of us like.

And then they then they start to start.

This is where we get into those Zoom call thing.

He starts saying, yeah, none of us, none of all of us.

Like the whole eating people thing, It's really uncomfortable.

She's like all of you guys, what do you mean?

And he's like, oh, you know, me and the other 11 folks or the other 10 folks minus the Paraguay guy, we all talk on Zoom twice a week and, and go over things and shit talk about you and, and go over everything and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And you're not invited.

You're not invited.

Yeah, we invite.

We we voted on whether you should be invited and you're not sorry.

And she goes, well.

Well, I would be very beneficial.

And this is where we get into a weird aspect.

And I know what you're going to say, Joe.

And I think it's kind of fucked up too.

Do you know what they really talk about?

They talk about how to save these things because these things are going to starve in 10 years and they need to find ways to feed them.

So they want to save these things, not kill them all.

And Carol's like, tell them to fucking, you know, pick a fucking apple.

Save them so that some can join.

Who knows how many of the of them want to join up.

We know that mom does right?

The mother and the kid there.

That, I mean, if she does, she should be having the operation immediately because they know how to do it now.

So there's no reason now's the now.

Now is the time where they're all going to be faced with some sort of decision, right?

And we get into a little bit more of they, they actually have to make a choice if they want to.

And we will see if they do.

So, yeah, they talk about different things.

They've they've talked about getting robots to harvest some of the stuff for the for the for the group.

And she, she asks if she should be, if she was going to be invited.

She runs to the bathroom.

She cries.

What I like about this cry in the bathroom, Joe, it wasn't a sad boohoo cry.

It was an angry cry.

Is those motherfuckers cry, you motherfuckers like the fucking stupid motherfuckers that kind of cry.

And here we go to this point.

I underlined this.

Joe mentioned this earlier.

We get the dude on the phone talking to someone about Carol being lonely and how how much he misses her and is in love with her and he's all in.

Who is he talking to?

Is he talking to?

I tend to think he was just talking to whoever his number one girl was, the one that said you can come with me if you want, but you think he might have been talking to one of the other 11.

I don't know.

Yeah, I do.

Or maybe.

He's talking to someone that isn't part of the hive.

Isn't part of the hive OK?

I think he might be talking to Zocia.

I could see Phil hosting a Zoom call recap that did happen.

That would.

I mean, ultimately that's what this is.

They know that she's lonely.

Yep, I mean.

She knows it.

They they know for numerous reasons.

They know because Helen knew.

Right, right, exactly like they don't need he like that would seem weird for him to be telling them they know.

Yep.

So he finds Carol passed out with her drink and he tucks her in.

Mr.

D has some conflicted feelings.

He he he doesn't.

He's starting to feel a little bored by his role play games and realizing the nothingness of everything he's doing.

The next morning he wakes up and just in time for eggs, he's making her.

And I thought this scene was really cute.

Again, you're probably going to hate it and didn't think anything was special on it.

I thought it was a really cool scene where he watches the way she's makes her a little egg sandwich toast thing and he copies her and and takes a bite and he goes and he's like, that's pretty good too.

And she jokes with them.

She's like, I'm going to get my own sweet and and clean up and we can hang out later.

It'll be a good time and she's like no, I have to get the fuck out of Vegas.

It reminds me of $1,000,000 light up ashtray and he's.

No offense.

Yeah, no offense to you in your hometown or your new hometown.

And he and he says I'm sure Albuquerque is great.

He says.

I'm sure there's no meth or anything weird.

Yeah, Albuquerque.

He's a fucking the crown jewel of the fucking Midwest of the far of the West.

So he says call me anytime check in.

Where the fuck Albuquerque is?

Somewhere, somewhere over there, maybe we can help.

Maybe you can help us try to help figure them out, you know, help stop their starving.

And she goes, you know, maybe you can tell them to pick up a fucking apple.

She's like, listen, I'm not a monster.

They did this to themselves.

This is all their choice.

They can choose to eat.

They can choose to do this.

And there's a way to reverse this out there.

Will you help me?

Because once they turn us, you, you, we're going to starve, too.

And this is where he tells her the probably most important information of the episode.

Joe they can't.

They figured out a cure, not a cure figured out or the if you, if we want to call it the cure, the reverse cure the infection.

Not the Not the cure.

They they figured out how to infect the uninfected.

Exactly.

But they have to do some sort of like invasive stem cell, RIP it out of them, stick a needle.

It's going to hurt.

And they can't do it without it agreeing because number one, it's painful #2 it's just, they just can't do it without without people agreeing because they can't make it make us unhappy.

And they just made this.

Because then they were being stopped infecting people and then they infected everybody anyway without people agreeing.

So it's just because they have to drill a hole in them, they can't do it.

And I don't have to drill a hole in you.

I can do whatever I want.

Haymaker is correcting your math.

Your Southwest Sonic says when he was copying her was that Vince trying to throw a curveball to make us think he is a hyver?

I think it was more this episode had a lot of moments to try to humanize him and make him seem not just like, oh, he's the dude that's fucking all the models.

Like they they had to try try to show him that he actually has a conscience and he's sees he's looking up to Carol in a weird way because she's not feeding into this nonsense.

I think when you're stuck with a bunch of in an endless playground situation where you're in a holodeck all the time and you suddenly have a real person that's like, fuck you.

And I tell these people to eat a fucking apple and and screw the drunk hungover, stay away from me.

It's almost probably exotic as just a human thought to see somebody that's more functioning, functioning alive.

You know, it's like talking to people in Wow for months and then finally seeing people in IR, you know, IRL, you know, it's like, oh, it's real people in real life.

It's weird, you know?

Anyways, I don't really talk talk with it.

That's why I couldn't say the initials IRL.

Mr.

DB Mr.

I keep saying Dibiase, but that's just because I want to think about the $1,000,000 man Mr.

Diabetes because when I look at his name, that's what I see.

So I'm just going to say Dibiase, he's the antagonist now.

He loves the hive mind and he will do its bidding.

Interesting.

Samuel.

Samuel.

That's definitely a different element that I didn't think about and it could be a way of adding more texture and different wrinkles to this world to be he is.

Or he doesn't like people.

He hates people as well and he's not in love with the hive mind, but he's playing along with the hive mind to get information unlike Carol and he's got all this shit well before her.

Yep, but doesn't want to tell her anything because she's a fucking nut job.

Either way, I feel like his character grows several bounds for me and on the interesting level tonight he became more of a character.

And I think can this show for you is part of the problem in your interest in the show, not taking away some of your specific issues with some of the facts here and there?

Is it that you don't have enough characters because you don't have you don't like Carol, so you don't have anybody else to sort of hook into?

That would be some right?

So if they introduced more characters as they go along, you theoretically could feel different about the show.

Like the Uruguay, the Paraguay, whatever his name is, but starting to like this guy a little more.

But he's still like a scumbag.

Yeah, her assessment was right, right from go.

When he was like, oh, this one's coming with me too.

Yeah, fuck fest the plane or whatever is whatever he's doing so so that is a big fluffy Kitty.

Yes, there is.

Joe is Joe is going to full doctor evil mode and he is petting and for people listening to the audio cast Joe is full on finger.

Effing.

I'm petting my cat.

He's finger effing his pussy is what he's doing OK?

So just to say that in the most appropriate way in the.

Most inappropriate way.

I think it was appropriate.

I think it was appropriate.

OK, he.

Is sweetheart.

Oh, yeah, she is.

Now you're sounding like Mr.

Dibiase here.

OK, so they make a discovery yesterday and they're not happy about it.

I think that's a Key Lime there too.

Not Key Lime Pie, Key Lime that he said that he's that they're not too happy about it.

So she runs and she calls the line after she hears this.

And this is something Joe mentioned before the episode aired or in our brief pre show discussion.

Joe and I have an exhaustive pre show discussion where we really sketch out our notes for what we're going to talk about in tonight's episode.

Make sure we both know our points and don't surprise each other in our interest or disinterest in the episodes.

But but anyways, we we're both wondering if if Howard gets paid every single time his.

Voice gets played or gets played with one.

I'm guessing he got paid 1 big flat fee for many uses throughout the season, but it's still.

Did it for like a dollar.

I think.

He had to take SAG union minimums.

I feel like I heard him say a a interview where he said he'd work on the show for free, so I wonder if Vince actually called him out on it.

He can't.

He's union.

I feel like Bruce Willis got got away from got away with being in four rooms without just because he wasn't credited and he like didn't get paid for it or something.

Like I could be making that up.

Someone someone.

OK, right.

If he OK maybe.

Like if you're not credited, yeah, I think you can do it.

We need the.

We need The Walking David to answer.

The contract.

Contract is a contract.

We need a Ferengue.

Where?

Where is that?

We need?

We need Quark.

Quark, get over here, buddy.

Joe, Sign up for Joe's Only Fans right now with the Kitty Kitty porn.

Kitty.

Kitty as in cats?

Cats, Cats.

Cats.

The cat.

The cat has a hive mind.

Joe into Pettingham.

They use cats and dogs to hive people.

We are goners.

Yeah, it's good game.

It is gone.

So she runs and calls the line.

But yeah, I love how we have to hear Howard again.

And she says, listen, is it true that you need my stem cells to and you need to perform some sort of surgery or something to collect them?

And they write on the marquee.

You can't see what they say, but they basically say, yeah, you know, yeah, you can do it.

And she calls back and she has to hear the hotline again, which I'm sorry, it's fucking funny.

And she says I do not consent to have a finger touched on me.

You will respect my wishes.

And they write back.

I'd have to read the wording of it, Joe, because now we have to really concentrate on the specific wording of this shit.

Yes, Carol, we will not harvest your stem cells.

And your wishes will be respected, I think, was the last thing that said.

So OK, that doesn't mean they're not going to look for another way to do it.

Correct.

Do you think any of the 11 or 12, any of the 12 or 13 people total, do you think any of the 13 people will do that will will?

Do the surgery.

Absolutely.

They have to, of course.

I don't know bad writing if they don't.

So yeah, the mother's probably going to do it of.

Course.

She'll probably be the first one to do it I would guess.

Right?

I mean.

Bad writing.

If they don't, it's not bad.

So much more to explore.

It's maybe not bad writing.

I think it's bad humans.

It's bullshit humans.

Because it's one thing to say, yeah, yeah, yeah, I would do this or everything's great.

But then when you're faced your individuality and making a choice in a moment, everyone else didn't really have a choice like these people are actually being said Joe, you're going to here's your choice.

You got to do this right now.

It's a lot harder in that moment to make a decision because everyone has self preservation somewhere inside.

So it's so I hear you, but I think it'd be good writing and human if even you talk a big game.

And then the moment it's like that part in The Dark Knight when there's the get, when they're both sides got the bombs and you got the one guy and the good spoiler alert for The Dark Knight.

It's like, you know, those guys are criminals.

We'll put the bomb, fuck them.

I'll give me that thing, give me the button, I'll push the button, I'll push the button.

Then he gets the button and he's like, I can't do it.

I can't do it, I can't do it.

I can't do it.

Because when you're actually, when you can talk a big game about it all.

But when you're faced with this is your, you know, your moments now here it is your, your individuality is gone.

You're, you know, you're, you're losing your soul, you're losing your again, whatever you want to do in that moment, it's harder to actually pull the trigger on it.

So I'm not sure if anyone's going to do it.

It's it's again an interesting question.

Let's go into the live chat for a second.

Sonic says it would make Phil happy if you all would politely hit that like button.

Yes it would Sonic Mom might chicken out and not do it.

That's what I'm thinking.

Gary Samuel says we will not harvest your stem cells.

Well, ah, but Mr.

Debiati might.

Exactly.

We will not do it, but we might get one of those eleven other humans.

What they can't?

They can't ask him to harm someone either, but he could.

Also, they can't pluck the apple.

No, they can't say yes.

Maybe there's silence.

Well, I don't think so.

It doesn't.

It doesn't.

It doesn't add up to but.

Can they stop him from wanting?

If he wants to hurt her, can they stop him from doing it?

I think it would be in there.

I don't know, probably not.

Probably not, yeah, Haymaker says.

I would not tell the infected to bring sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their frickin heads.

I would love that.

OK, so he's they go outside and he's interested.

He's like, oh, well, what's with the cop car?

And she's like, yeah, whatever, what's with your cars?

And he's got what is it?

What is it?

A Lamborghini?

And every, all the colors of the rainbow or something like that.

Was it was were they all, was that what it was?

Were they all Lamborghinis?

I'm not sure.

I don't know.

Some sort of sport sports car?

I'm not, I'm not sort of AI.

Don't know sports cars off hand.

I thought you might, Joe being a former no.

No, I haven't kept up with.

The first, the first.

Time I can't afford.

The first time I met Joe, he was driving a really shitty Camaro.

And there's a nice Camaro.

No, it's a nice Camaro.

But.

But but the weight.

Tan leather interior T top.

I should say the way Joe drove it, it was like he drove it shitty.

I should have changed.

My adjectives around.

The first time I met Joe, he was shittily driving a nice Camaro.

No, it drove like shit like like as a as a Camaros that they don't 1984 Camaro T tops.

Dude, when there when there was like a little bit of water on the ground.

It was slide everywhere.

We almost died in that thing so too many times.

So many times.

So many times.

OK, so for whatever it's worth, we.

What is heavy though, was heavy.

They all fly off and he tells her that this was what was creepy.

This is what made me think that this guy is like part of the hive or something, but he's not part of the hive, but he's drinking the Kool-aid more than he's letting on.

He's, you know, he's, he's sleeping with the enemy essentially.

And he's like, Zocia misses you.

They all miss you.

Carol, though, All you got to do is just give him a little Carol and Carol's like fuck them.

Fuck you.

Fuck this again, Joe.

You can say she's not likable to her.

Her defiance of all this makes her likable to me.

The fact that she's the only one that sees this for what it really is in a way, and I know she's figuring it out and she's stupid and you're putting out these moments where she should have figured this out sooner or that sooner.

I think she's doing a pretty damn good job considering she's all alone.

And 12 days.

In 12 days, yeah, I think she's doing pretty.

Good to figure out the food thing to figure out.

All she had to do was ask after ideally.

12 days to figure out there's a cure.

There's that, there's that.

The food situation haunted it down, searched it out, went on like I actually had to do some legwork to figure that out.

No, yes, no, yes.

Not everyone's a fucking genius like you, Joe.

She didn't know to.

Finish a fucking conversation is not to be a genius, it's to have a fucking conversation like we are now.

No, I you say something, I respond to it.

You say something that is huh.

What do you mean by but?

You would never bring up eating people.

That's just not something that I would bring up if I was Carol in that moment.

It just wouldn't occur to me.

I'm sorry.

To then to then not ask oh, so you eat people, but to ask so how are you going to keep feeding yourselves?

She got she got focused on the more important to her thing because she saw the goal post in front of her immediately and she asked the important question first was is there a cure?

And once she heard there was that's all she saw.

She saw red in front of her and anything joke and anything else that she was saying in that moment didn't matter to her because all she cared about was oh wait, there's a cure to this.

So I would not give a shit about what they were eating in that moment.

I would not dig any further than the in fact I found out there was a cure and I'd want to know what the fuck that was before I cared about what the hell they were eating or anything that they were doing.

The the the shit about the cure came days later.

That was in the same conversation, 13, That's in the same conversation.

We're talking about that.

I'm talking.

About the cure.

The cure conversation came when she was drugged or when she was talking to either the the tracksuit guy or the drug lady, right?

The conversation about the food with the vegetarian and with the ideally comment that came when she met the 13, the the the English speaking numbers.

When they were talking, when they were talking to.

All of them before.

But it didn't get into the fact that they couldn't pluck fruit off trees and do shit like that because you wouldn't ask stupid questions like that, because you wouldn't.

Think these things were?

That'd be stupid.

Questions.

Why would you think the?

Whole universe has been taken over by a stupid fucking virus.

Why would you think this stupid fucking virus would make it so you couldn't pluck a plant off a goddamn tree?

You're they.

Said ideally because they said.

You're going to focus on that in the moment.

You can't kill.

Again, these people aren't.

You must be vegetarians because can't kill is only.

Again, these people aren't you.

That's that's you're right.

You're right, Phil.

There are a lot of people out there who are like, I'm a vegetarian.

Oh yeah, I eat fish.

Pescetarians.

I don't know, listen to what I said.

There are a lot of people out there that say I'm a vegetarian.

Yes, I eat fish.

Like killing is killing.

When someone says we can't kill, and then you say, oh, so you're vegetarians?

And they say, well, I.

I hear what you're saying, but all you're Joe, all you're saying is a lot of noise that's distracting from the pack that no one would bring up eating people.

That's not something that would come up.

You would never, you would never go to.

That you keep going there, Phil.

Because that's what we're talking.

About you're jumping straight there so obviously you would.

I'm not even saying I never once said why didn't she ask him if you eat people?

I said finish the conversation where you said oh.

You then when they said.

We can't kill and you said so you're a vegetarian.

And then they coyly said ideally.

Then you just stop.

Yeah, no more conversation on that.

Not like it doesn't mean every single fucking audience member in the world went all but they can't kill.

They said ideally, but.

She doesn't the fucking.

So if you're not, if you're not implying that she should have pushed, if you're not implying that she should have pushed to a point of asking about cannibalism, what are you even arguing?

Why didn't she push further on?

What the fuck are you eating?

Then?

You emptied the fucking grocery stores.

You did this.

You did What the fuck is going on?

How are you sustaining all these fucking people?

I don't see anybody out at the farms anymore.

There's all sorts of questions you can ask without asking.

Are you eating people?

Fair.

And I think she.

I think she.

Did you would ask?

But certainly you would ask something after.

We don't kill, but ideally we be vegetarians.

But wait, you can't kill.

So how are you?

You're right there.

I'm not focusing on that in that moment.

My brain's too scattered and I'm asking multitude of questions and bouncing around subjects.

No, no, no, great Phil, you are.

That's what.

I am too, and all of this would have led us to these answers.

Not more than 12, not 12 days, not more than 12 days.

I don't think.

I don't think I would have come up with that more.

Than 12 days you have 1000.

Fucking.

She was drunk.

She was drunk for six of those days.

She was fucking.

No, on the day seven, you still be I still beating.

My.

So like day 7?

No, even drunk.

Drunk.

You have me drunk, Phil Drunk, you're asking.

So what are you eating people?

Because drunk you are asking that.

So there you go.

We're back to day fucking one.

I thought you weren't talking about eating people.

No, no, no.

But drunk I am.

Let's finish off.

This it's an absolutely absurd thing to say, so I'm gonna fucking say because I'm drunk so you must be eating people then, huh?

Give me that gallon of wine so I can swell and then ask you.

You could.

Kill Are you eating dead?

Exactly, Fisbee, she lost Helen less than two weeks ago.

She's still dealing with the trauma of the whole world died around.

You're going to be thinking logically after the whole world died 12 days ago.

You just killed 60 million people and you got like, whatever.

I'm just saying you're not going to be pushing on every single question.

Anyways, let's get the Paraguay guy because it's 12, because because Joe, sick Joe is sick and twisted.

He's like, I'm not.

I'm sure if I'm gonna be able to rant tonight.

Yeah, my ass.

You're not gonna be able to rant tonight, Joe's thinking.

I wouldn't rant if you weren't so stupid and didn't like this shit.

Fuck you, Joe.

Sometimes I.

Think you'd do it to me just to do it to me.

No, no, sometimes I.

No, no, I'm just.

Gonna do this?

No, sometimes I do.

But in this situation, I generally could think you're crazy on this one, like or.

I don't think you're crazy.

We, we like fucking Westworld, someone said.

This show's like Westworld.

And I thought, yeah.

It's it's better than Westworld, but it's it's but yes, I think this this is the last show that seasons 1 and 2 of Westworld I really liked or especially seasons one season 1 and you really hated it, especially Anthony Hopkins on on.

It and and I love a couple of the people that are in that.

No, no, fair.

And I don't I don't want to do.

I don't want to go too far in that but because but it the biggest fight Joe and I ever got into on air.

Who on earth what's her name there?

Also from gridlocked.

I can't.

Can't Sandai Newton?

Danny.

Danny Newton, Yeah.

But Joe and I got into our biggest fight on air about Anthony Hopkins.

But but you can seek that out at some point, I think.

I think it's in a West World reviewer and it might be in a Vikings review actually.

But we kind of do like it.

I, I don't, I don't think Anthony Hopkins doing Anthony Hopkins is worthy of praise.

Anymore.

Fair.

Let's finish off this episode and then we'll talk a little free.

Form at the good.

It's just like.

But but anyways, 1212 hours, 12 days doing his radio thing, you can tell he's dead tired and hungry as a hippo and he's cycling through the radio.

He gets a signal and it's a weird beep beep kind of thing.

And for whatever it worth, my my dog sat up and was like, what the fuck is that sound?

Something's going on outside.

He heads out to dump his food for the day.

But there's also a package and a video out there.

And Joe, out of all the most unbelievable things in this episode, the thing that is most unbelievable to me is that inside this, what is it?

The, the, the, the storage of the DVD player.

This isn't ADVD, It's a it's a VHS cassette.

Yeah, he he puts it in the V like, like.

Without even hesitation, he's got Avhs like like one of those.

Things like you, you have at schools like you.

Roll out does like oh, sitting on top of the TV, his TV in the in his like little living room.

But that was the story.

That was storage, yeah, in the.

Storage facility, like he just has a VCRA lot, a lot of storage facilities they used.

To even around here have like an apartment for someone.

To live in oh, Ian says it was an air open.

If anybody needs, they just fucking pick up the phone you.

Come out from back and you go, yeah.

I'll open that for you and I'll rent that one for you.

And basically you just stay at home all day.

Fucking fucking interesting.

It was an AOL beep, Yeah, and.

I think the hive mind can lie.

They're just using honesty to get people to trust them.

I think they might adapt and decide that they can change at some point.

There's no reason to think that they can.

Like there's no reason to think that they're not being truthful.

About any of this, that part of the hive mind, them not being able to lie is.

It's a 0 sum game.

The truth.

Always comes out.

And please please.

Keep the crackpot Pop crackpotting going in the live chat.

Because that's what we're doing as well.

We don't.

We don't fucking know either.

We don't know what's going on.

The truth doesn't always come out like which it doesn't like.

It's still.

There's no reason to not.

No, lying causes harm.

Lying causes harm, always.

The truth is always better served.

Than a lie whenever you.

Think you're doing?

Doing someone a favor by lying.

You're doing yourself harm.

Who are you?

Who are you talking for right now?

That's cause stress.

Causes stress.

Do you always?

Do you always?

Live by that doctrine?

Oh no.

Dude, I am a.

Ball of stress, I'm not saying I.

Don't lie, OK?

I'm just saying.

I'm just saying I don't know you too well.

I understand.

I haven't lied on this program.

Joe, I don't, I don't know you too well, but I'm saying like maybe you.

You maybe you know.

I'm wondering if you've ever lied on occasion of you.

You've bent the truth on occasion.

Well, what did I hear?

You know, just.

Because you made a, you know, baked a cake doesn't make you a Baker.

Just because you lied doesn't make you a liar.

I think that's I think that's some semantic crap.

A hole Crap hold.

Of like douchey.

Yeah, I think by definition lying.

Lying makes you a.

Liar.

It's one of those things.

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Like it's like just jumping in the.

Water so once.

A liar, always a liar.

Once you've.

Lied once, you will always and forever be.

A lie once Pinocchio's.

Nose starts to.

Grow.

Can it ever shrink?

Well, what if you?

Tell the person about your lie.

Is it still a lie?

Is the MEA.

Copa.

Does the MEA Copa make the lie OK?

It depends.

What if the person doesn't?

Forgive you.

Like fuck you, you lied.

I don't have to forgive your ass.

And you did this Horrible.

Shit.

Yeah, and you admitted to it, now I know.

Fuck you.

So I don't know if if honesty.

Is the best policy I think we've defeated your no it still causes stress and and it can harm both parties yeah I.

Guess So what you're saying here is you actually really love this show and you're just.

Lying for good.

For good entertainment.

To piss off.

To piss off the podcasting audience.

Because I'm doing to you what I said you were doing.

Yeah, maybe.

Maybe you are.

I mean, it was on the edge.

You might.

See.

I mean, I mean in time upstairs.

I mean, I'm pretty sure most of the people listening.

To the audio cast right now are.

Being like, fuck you, I don't like this guy.

You Joe, you are a hater.

Yeah, go go back to the Phil alone podcast.

I don't.

I don't want I.

Don't listen to this joke where all the.

Negativity shit come from exactly we we we downloaded this thing to to.

Hear about this episode?

Not if someone.

Break all our dreams and and start yelling at us for liking it.

So anyways, something's going outside.

He heads to dump his food and there's a care package.

He gets a video from Carol.

He pops.

It in so I want to put Gary, I want you to read your sentence out loud.

To yourself.

I'm going to and I'm going to read it out loud.

Sometimes lying to not hurt people's feelings isn't.

So bad lol I'm so bad I'm still bad hey.

Hey, hey, so.

Bad there's different.

There's different varying degrees of bad, Joe.

There's there's bad, there's so bad, There's very bad, there's fucked.

I love it.

I hope Gary was sitting at home and read his shadow.

Are you?

Are you telling, are you telling Gary to go home without his dinner?

It's a.

Go home, young man.

Read it.

When Pinocchio gets older, it just gets.

It gets smaller, it just.

Starts falling out right he starts not being able to get his nose up anymore right okay so he watches and he watches Carols thing and he sees someone does the do the listeners know that they can call that number at the top of the screen?

Oh yes, they can, if you want.

To call in the line and you have a question or comment if you want to tell Joe he's an idiot or tell me I'm.

An idiot or just join in the discussion.

You can call it in at 781-990-8509.

Again, that's 781-990-8509.

You can also text that line if I somehow missed your comment and if you're listening to this podcast later at any point in time, I mean two years from now, you can call this phone number and leave a voicemail or a text with your thoughts about the episode or about our life.

The reference is a completely different show when you do and we'll and we'll read it on the.

Next podcast and and it will be.

Completely irrelevant to anything else we're talking about, but we will read it.

But we'll get to it.

We'll get to it.

We promise.

So.

So he watches her video.

And.

He OK, He said he she says a cure.

She talks about how there's 1212 of us or whatever.

He seems really surprised.

You think he thought he was the only one?

Well, he had already gotten the call from her.

Oh, right.

So he so do you think when he says 12?

I He almost seemed upset by it, like.

12 motherfuckers, 12 of the people that are like this or no.

I think he was thinking he was alone and he thought that call was weird.

But like, I think maybe it was like a different tactic or something like that.

They were trying like.

He wasn't sure.

100% that there were other people out there.

Like him, right?

And this I think is, you know, I, I.

Think I think this was.

Surprise for him, I think he was trying to find other.

People and.

Not rely on them because he doesn't trust them.

Because you ain't my mom.

You may look like my mom, but you ain't my mom.

Yeah.

Hundred.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

So again, the most unbelievable.

Part of this is he has the VCR and he's surprised there's twelve other people or he's interested there's twelve other people.

He watches it.

Some music plays as someone's finally on the same page.

It gets a little bit of motion emotional.

He grabs her address off of the envelope and he This was the weirdest part of the episode to me.

It was a little cheesy.

What happened was there was, and he's watching the video and he like picks up the video and he packs up his stuff to go away.

But they did this like weird audio edit where they had the video from the TV, the audio from the television of of her talking.

And they switched it to a voiceover to like a really loud voiceover while he was walking and packing up all of his shit.

And they continued her voiceover that we had already heard.

And then we have to join together and do this and do that and other thing.

I thought it was a little cheesy, but with the music was playing, it was super cheesy.

It was like glorious.

It was kind of like it was like, obviously it was noticeable.

Like the audio edit was really noticeable.

I don't know if other people noticed it or not.

It was just like, yeah, no.

I immediately said to Katie, I was like, well, this is interesting.

We don't need to hear this again.

And then I was like, right, they could, I guess.

It's kind of nice.

It's cool, it's cool.

But it was almost like a superhero speech.

Like he.

He's the dark.

Knight the guy you need.

It's another example.

Yeah, it's another example of poor writing.

It's not poor writing.

I don't have.

Anything else to fill this this 30 seconds with?

No, like, no, it's galvanizing our new man.

It's giving him purpose.

It's the.

Speech that's rallying him, that's.

Motivating him to get out of the storage lockers.

I get that.

It's not.

It's not poor writing.

It's not poor writing.

It's poor editing because they didn't need to do that.

To your point, we heard Carol's end of that speech.

They could have cut it off right when he stops the video and packs up.

They could have drifted off Carol's speech and they just got right into a musical montage and packing up his shit and going outside any kind of song or just no song.

We just didn't need the voice over.

No, no, I, I.

I agree with that.

And I don't think that's writing.

I think that's editing well.

So.

OK, it's not the dialogue.

Part of writing, I don't think it's the sketching.

Out the scene.

Either it's just a bad choice to have the voice over left in there, it's a bad editing editor.

Isn't making that fucking choice.

The director is, then it's he the correct?

The writer is or.

The writer of the episode.

No, the director and the editor.

The director and the editor get.

To decide how the episode's cut.

Vince isn't sitting in there.

The writers direct team that no, they write.

And then the director gets to.

Make a lot of creative choices for sure.

That's that's what the directing does.

I mean, there's certain scenes that are necessary.

Something like that.

Specifically deciding to have that voice.

It could have been written out like it could have just said on the screenplay like montage.

Of him packing to get right it's in the director and then the director and editor put that said hey I you will be really cool if.

We carried over her voice.

Over while he was doing that, so we hear.

Her voice engulfing him while he's packing up all of his stuff.

Or, or, I don't think it was.

We don't screw it the first time.

How about we don't hear it the first time?

That's bad about.

You see her start the video, but we see him finish it, and it galvanizes him in the way they're trying to make it appear that it does.

And that's where I say, you know, hey, fair.

I just thought it was a little bit of repetition and cheesiness in this moment.

Yeah.

And to me, that's a waste.

Of time.

I know it serves the purpose like I said.

He we're showing him, I don't want to add too much fuel to you.

I it was just, it was, it was my one thing that would make this.

Episode A8 instead of a.

9 for me it.

Was a little little bit of a little bit of.

I was at 7:00 until a few things were pointed out.

Not just by me, but by lovely motherfucker chat over there and it dropped.

It dropped to a straight up five and it's the best of the season.

You're a douche.

That makes no sense considering how high you were in the first episode.

Unless you're high, I was, Yeah.

You want rewatch your reaction?

Yeah.

And you and you were.

Feeling it all a.

100%.

Unless you're a lying.

Sack of shit.

So no, no, I I was but like you lost it, but not you got to remember.

I didn't get to finish episode 2 until later.

In episode 2.

The second-half, so that's beside the point.

I'm pretty sure you agreed with me.

Was kind of shite, no?

No, yeah.

Yeah, no, I don't think any of this has been shite yet.

Like like I wouldn't.

Put 5 like I don't know what fuck fucking numbers you're.

It was.

It was a let down.

The second-half of episode 2 was not worth the wait.

Five out of five, Apple.

Crash 5 out of 10 is like your IQ if that's what you.

Think this show is, I mean Jesus Christ?

We want to get into.

Personal insults.

I'm not insults, I mean what are.

You going to say I'm like?

I'm easy to insult.

You know, like, come on.

Joe is always right.

So Joe isn't a fan of this show Exactly, Daryl.

That's what we Joe is not a fan of.

I would not call.

I would not.

Recommend to anyone?

You should watch Four of Us on Apple Plus.

There's like 30 other shows.

Not 30, but there's like at least six other shows.

I would absolutely come right off the tip and on Apple and I would recommend it more than I could possibly recom recommend.

This and I would say this is one of the best shows on Apple Plus and the best show on television at the moment so I highly recommend it.

So you get 2 varying opinions here you.

Get someone that's not.

Feeling it and someone that's feeling it.

So best show on television right now is uncalled for.

Uncalled.

For that, that is the kind of comment.

I was talking about.

Earlier, Phil No.

No on.

Television right now, but the hyperbolic.

Bullshit.

You think I'm spouting?

It's the best show on television right now.

I'm engulfed.

I'm I'm legitimately excited every week to watch this show and in invested in the story in a way that I haven't been in the show in a while.

Yeah, OK.

I'm not going to tell you no to that.

Like absolutely, I can absolutely see you.

Being.

This show is more up your alley than my alley.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

No.

So.

So I think it could be.

I think it has.

A potential to be.

But.

That's but that's the thing, Joe, I think you, I think.

You're judging it too quickly.

I.

Think.

You're if you looked at.

If we were talking about this week to week with some some other shows, some shows take a while.

I think what I I think I'm seeing, I think I'm maybe taking this feeling the seeds a little bit more than you are, but but.

But we still both think.

This has potential to grow into something amazing.

Like I do think even with what I'm hearing from you, you're not saying this show is doomed.

It's dead to me.

It's the fucking blah blah blah.

You're saying I'm disappointed in you show.

I expected better than this.

I expected much more.

I feel this is the way I feel about but you also.

Didn't like you.

Also didn't like Severance season 2.

I didn't.

Really didn't.

And you didn't like and you didn't.

There's several.

Things that you don't like that I.

Think is peculiar.

You didn't like Logan.

You didn't like Birdman.

You didn't like Birdman.

Oh God.

Trash.

So so I so I take your.

Opinion with a grain of salt with some stuff is just not your cup.

It's not because you're you have bad taste or anything like that.

It's just certain things you're into, I'm not into and there's certain things that just aren't your cup.

And I think in some ways this show isn't made for you and isn't something, you're right, it's not made for an intelligent audience.

You didn't want to do, didn't want to do personal.

Attacks right?

Is that Is that touché Dick?

Bag.

What?

So sorry.

Sorry that you're too busy.

You know I'm not going to go there, OK, but anyways.

We.

Got Severance Season 2 was carried by Mr.

Milchak.

He was awesome.

He was the best part.

Of but we I did I did watch all of season 2 and I'll probably watch all of season 3 because.

No spoilers for that show particular because I'm a masochist in a lot of respects with television.

Shows.

But like honestly no severance is is low on my list.

Season 2 was a big fall off from season 1.

I I felt and but like there's a lot of great shows on Apple plus when you talk about like the best show on.

Television or the best show?

On television right now, Are you talking about shows that are just offseason right now?

No, the ones that are airing.

Ones that are airing right now, just currently airing.

Not the shows that are.

We're waiting for Season 6.

Yeah, no, this is this is this is the best show on television right now.

This is the best show airing right now.

Airing.

Right now so that you can't count any Netflix show in that.

Because they don't air they I'll drop it once don't get in this semantic motion for that so that but there's a lot of Netflix.

Are you asking do I like this better than stranger things?

No God, no.

Not this season.

The.

Stranger Things I thought this season was fucking awful.

Those.

Great moments don't talk about.

Don't talk about, don't talk about.

People haven't seen.

It's an effects moment where?

Someone's hand.

Goes through someone's head like that doesn't spoil anything.

That's you'll see it.

It'll still shock you and it will like in a good way.

Tread lightly, Joe.

Tread lightly, Joe.

That's all I'm going to say.

But but like, no I'm not.

A big fan of this season, but I.

Loved stranger things, I just think they ruined it by two years in between and half seasons and like no, I've honestly, honestly Joe, I feel like this is.

Oh, wait one second, this.

Is.

I honestly feel like I'm captivated by this show in a way that I haven't been captivated by show in a few years.

The the There's three shows right now on television, and I know you're not feeling any of them.

These three.

Shows that I'm really feeling right now from Severance in this.

They're my threeth season 1 of from but I wasn't going to pay for more so that season 2 wasn't as good as one.

But three was probably equal to 1 but.

But all three seasons are are I enjoyed.

I had a good time with all three seasons and I really did enjoy.

I didn't enjoy as the season 2 as much as season 1, but I enjoyed both seasons of Severance and everything of Pluribus that I've seen so far.

I'm very much enjoying I It's not I'm not.

I'm seeing the seeds of a.

Really amazing.

Idea that is.

That they're taking their.

Time to flesh out and I'm enjoying them taking their time.

I'm not in a hurry to see where this is going because I'm enjoying the little moments that we get each episode.

I can understand if someone isn't and I again, that's not a discredit to you as a viewer or anyone that isn't feeling it as a viewer or asking questions that wants more out of this.

But for me, each moment is compelling from just a humanistic standpoint and funny standpoint.

I find this, I'm laughing and I'm smiling through the whole episode and that's what I want.

I don't necessarily need something that's constantly giving me like a a mystery plot that's being unravelled.

I want to.

I want to.

Find.

Something that I find compelling to watch and entertaining to watch and this, and I can understand that you don't.

And you're not the only one, Joe.

We've seen a couple people pop up in the chat tonight.

They're totally with you.

For me, so far, it's being carried by the acting, the environment, the music, the editing, the, the whole package pulls together something that is hugely captivating to me.

And it's not surprising to me.

I'm like, I feel bad that you're not into it.

I'm like, I'm like, I wish Joe was liking this because it's awesome.

Well, it's I'm sorry for you.

It's an AMC show.

What was that?

It's an AMC show.

It's an Apple Plus show.

Yeah.

Breaking Breaking Bad.

Paid a lot.

For AMC, a show that's.

The most popular show on television.

Right now is no, I can't believe it.

I cannot believe it because because you.

Can't accept that Maybe you're wrong about something.

No, I'm wrong about lots of.

Shit dude, and you might just not be getting this, but other people, a lot of people are feeling.

This show, Yeah, A.

Lot of people like you, Phil, Like you in your own admission.

I've been waiting for something that's compelling for years now and haven't got it.

Yeah, it's is a fucking saltine when you're starving.

I don't care about.

I don't care who made this show.

If anybody made this show, I would like this show.

It's not about being.

A Vince show.

Yeah, you're right.

I said, I said it's been, it's been years since you said it's been years since something this compelling has come along.

For me, but I've been able to right, Which means not severance apparently, which means not any of the other shows you just mentioned.

I mentioned that three, I mentioned 3 equally don't don't re change my words.

This is.

My words Season 1 of from and this is nowhere near season 1 of Severance I one of.

Severance.

I feel like I was joking near it.

I was joking.

It's at least as good as Season 2 of Severance.

It's I'm not going to argue there.

I'm going.

To argue that but.

But like.

But like, and so when you're starving, Phil.

We say this all the time.

Motherfucker, Saltine is as good as a Ritz.

It's like having a sociable with cheese on it, you know what I mean?

Like, no, no, I mean I, I think in this situation I watch tons of television.

I'm constantly watching TV shows I like as.

Compelling as this?

No, I didn't say that.

I said this is something, this is one of the most compelling things I've watched in years.

And you can't just accept that you're not.

You know you can't understand it.

You're, you're it's it's too.

It's too modern and interesting for you.

You you need, you need like modern.

It's basically body snatcher.

You need, you need, you need so much invasion.

You need more actions.

Lock you need it to be, more you need it to be.

Faster, you need some zombie fighting or something like that.

Let's get into the let's get to the live chat and see what some people think before we wrap this up tonight.

Paying is how we keep our shows.

Alive from.

7th Oh, I thought this season of Dexter was really good.

Did you watch the most recent season of Dexter?

They ruined Dexter for me.

You know how How I Met Your Mother was ruined by the finale?

I can't even watch fucking repeats of it.

Like, I have no interest in Dexter since they ruined the original series with that finale.

I can't argue with you on that.

But the most recent season was pretty cool.

Of course it was.

Dinklage was in it, so it was great.

Yeah.

And so was.

Uma Thurman and I fucking hate her, but she was but she was good.

I hate her.

She's fucking awful bad as Drew Barrymore.

See see as Joe.

'S making my point.

So the guy who created from knows all the.

Answers to from before making the show, we spent close to an hour telling the director how the show's going on.

Yeah.

And And Harold wouldn't sign on unless he knew that it was going to be a specific awesome thing Daryl says.

The only complaint you hear about from is that people say they want all the answers.

Now.

Those people should just stick to TikTok from severance.

Oh Shogun is another show.

I felt this way about the first season.

The first season of Shogun was really that's different though.

That's different, that's different.

That's that's.

That's that's a movie, that's a stand alone, like whatever they do, whatever they want to make a season 2 or any of that shit, they are making a season 2.

I know, I know.

And they're going to put the Shogun name on it, but it's it's not.

It's not.

Like, that's something else, that's something special.

There's a lot of like.

There's another show.

On that Katie and I just watched that was pretty cool and it's like oh like 6 episodes.

So I can't remember what it was, but we.

I know, right?

Great fucking review for that thing.

Yeah, well, it was good.

And like we watched a few things at the same time and Death by Lightning was one of them.

I can't remember if Death by Lightning was the show or a movie we watched, but it's got that guy that played the other.

I just can't believe with with the mountain of repetition.

Disney Plus *.

Trek dribble and crap and shit.

We get you're not at least compelled a little bit by by this.

It feels fresh and unique.

It doesn't feel fresh.

It feels like a a 75 year old movie that you can, you know.

Watch called Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

Yeah, it doesn't feel like Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

I've seen that movie 1000 times.

It doesn't feel.

Yeah, it's like, it's like if you take one.

Little out on on on Mystery Science Theater 3000 is.

Not watching the movie does the.

Sopranos.

I haven't watched the Mystery Science.

Theater.

Go go fuck yourself.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about.

That's like saying.

That's like saying.

Oh, I can't watch The Sopranos because reminds me of the Godfather.

Like, come on, like this one element of it is in the thing.

Like it's just happens to be that they're invading bodies.

It's not like a one for one, like you're you're not oh, invade.

That's every invasion.

So you so you can't watch anything that anyone ever invades a body because because it's all watch Independence Day, because it was V because it's all copying this that that's your thing.

Yeah.

Oh, it's a trope.

It's been done before.

I can't like this.

It's done.

Before.

It's been done before.

That's that's your out.

That's your out to hate things.

It's just not an original concept, is what I'm.

Saying who cares if it's good it's just 7 ones.

For me, it's a unique, interesting concept.

I feel like it is, but I'm saying.

Even if it isn't, who cares?

If it's good or bad, you.

Just don't think it's good.

Who cares if it's original or not, you know?

Nothing's original.

Everything's been done.

There's like 7 stories that exist and it's.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've heard that too.

Yeah, it does.

Or 11.

I think it's 11 stories that exist.

Whatever it is, it's repeats.

Yeah.

And this one isn't.

Making it compelling I've seen last.

Man, it's not compelling to you.

It's.

Compelling.

To more people than it's not.

Apparently there's more.

There's more people that think like me than think like you.

Uh huh.

No.

Yes.

And when it has to do with this show, Yes.

How many people watch this show this week?

We'll see.

There's just how many?

How many?

Watched it last week.

What are the?

Numbers.

What?

What?

What are people?

What are the numbers?

What are the numbers?

What are the numbers?

What million views?

I'm not even talking about the I'm.

Not about who's watching.

I'm saying the people that.

Are watching.

What are they?

Ranking this show.

It's got a very high.

Metric score electric ship.

7 billion people are like, it just doesn't even appeal to me on site.

OK, 7.

Billion people, fuck them, it's not for you.

So where's the where's the more people like it than don't So you're.

Saying.

Just.

Because something's not for.

Someone that makes it.

Bad.

Something has to be universal for everybody to be good.

More people.

Liked it than they do.

And I said no, not true.

That is true.

A million people aren't watching it, 10 million television.

Watchers are enjoying this show, Joe, right?

Because the Because if you're not watching Pluribus, you're not.

Watching anything?

Yeah, sure.

Well, the other 10/7.

Billion people.

They don't have TV's, they're not television.

What are you even saying?

When I'm saying more people like it than they do, they do.

You're in the minority.

Only millions are watching most people.

Are enjoy that are checking this.

Show out are enjoying it Joe.

Most people aren't As.

Hateful and mean as you can't say that that's true because once they saw it, they walked away and they didn't watch it with their with their one.

It wasn't for them.

Why are you continuing to you're only continuing couch.

You can't get over how great it is you're.

Only continuing to watch it because you want to.

Babble out.

Here.

And hate on a bunch of people's parties.

So let's Speaking of parties, let's jump on.

I wish I could like it.

Me too, I love I.

Love fucking dogs.

Man, slow horses are awesome.

I hate that shit.

OK, I love.

Seeing John Zena in this episode and I loved hearing Howard Hamlin's voice.

Me too, Daryl, I'm on.

Season 3 of rewatch a Stranger things Cam says fuck them they won't eat apples from the tree.

Great line.

Samuel also says I didn't hate the series finale of Dexter but I want to see Dexter find a cult.

Agree or disagree calling in right now.

We get the phone lines open for a little bit before we wrap this up.

781 not about 10 more about 10 more minutes.

Then we got to let Joe go to in bed.

He is sick.

781-990-8509 His cough is getting me sick from like a block away.

Pluribus never had the makings of a varsity hive.

Mine says says haymaker.

Alright, it says Invasion of the Pluribus Snatchers.

Samuel says it's new material, not from a book or an 80s miniseries.

Exactly.

That's what I'm saying.

It's might be taking some old ideas, but it's creating a trying to do something brand new, Daryl says.

I have a feeling that Pluribus is going to get a lot better when Carol and the guy at the end of the episodes joined together at some point in time, you know?

So, for what it's worth, even as as new as Game of Thrones.

Was for everybody out there.

Oh, that's just stupid fucking roses.

That's just Lord yeah, that's just stupid fantasy stuff.

That fantasy shit's been done before.

Boring.

Who cares?

No, it's not.

Who cares?

It's who cares if it's, you know, Game of Thrones is just like Lord of the Rings.

Who cares?

It's just fantasy.

They're going to, they're going to solve, fight a big evil menace, whatever.

I mean, that's ultimately what you're saying.

It's like, oh, it's been done before, who cares?

But I don't think that's why you don't like it personally.

I think that's just this is just my impression of you as a reviewer.

That isn't that isn't why I don't If you don't, if you don't like it because you're not entertained by it, You hate Carol and you're not and you're.

Just have no.

Character you can root for in this world, and you have.

And you're plucking more holes in this world than Swiss cheese.

And because of that, you're adding that extra dynamic of that kind of extra hate onto it.

Like, yeah, you're probably right.

Like when when when you smell shit.

When you see shit, you.

Smell it.

When you smell it, you look to see where it is, right?

And you find the pile of shit.

So if I'm already smelling shit, I'm now going to start looking for it so I don't step in it so I can clean it up.

And unfortunately I still see all the shit, but I can't clean it up.

Do you know why you can't clean it and I can't do it for you?

Do you know why you can't clean it up?

Because it's gold, that shit.

You.

You.

Clean off that shit.

A little bit it's.

Gold.

It's golden.

Shit, no joke, it's golden.

Shit, it's fucking gold.

Like he hit gold.

On his first.

Last two shows absolutely OK, Gary.

Gary, current week data pending.

It's #1 worldwide on Apple Plus and it's like in top 3IN.

Television charts in television right now.

OK, OK, OK OK, let me let me tell you something about these charts, these streaming.

Oh OK, now you want to know the numbers.

And you know the numbers and now you're like going to tell me how they're horseshit.

He's just statement about the numbers.

I didn't.

Need the numbers to tell you people have never even fucking heard of this show that don't like.

It or like it because none of that because more people have never even heard of Vince Gilligan or his last two shows.

I'm talking about the television, the TV television audience that watch shows like this, the people that are aware of.

These things, that was a facetious statement and I didn't need that and I don't need the numbers, but I could tell you something about streaming the streaming.

Numbers still count when you fall asleep on the fucking couch and the next thing plays and guess who decides what plays next?

It doesn't fucking matter what you have on your fucking watch list.

No, it plays what it wants you to watch next.

It has things specifically for you that will boost its own numbers so it can say, hey look, you know how many times the stupidest fucking Acapulco gold, stupid fucking shit that I would never put on or whatever it's called the weed.

Acapulco gold.

The weed fucking show that is.

I would never watch it but for some reason after a show fucking.

Ends.

It wants to put it on.

Every fucking it auto plays right.

It auto plays that show, so it's going to auto fucking play and it's going to count it as a fucking number.

Oh, it's going to be.

OK, so now you're.

Accusing the Pluribus numbers of cheating auto plays.

Choosing Apple.

Oh.

Jesus and all of them of doing that same fucking can't you just any fucking show that they want.

To be #1 people.

Abso freaking.

Lutely, people.

Absolutely.

Do you hear?

This this is shows rationalization because he can't just accept that.

That.

People are actually liking this show?

Oh I I believe a lot of people like this show.

Fuck people.

Watch the Real Housewives, dude.

There's no accounting for taste.

Oh, I thought you were indoors.

Or anyone.

Desperate Housewives is a really great show.

I don't know if you ever watched that.

I do not.

It's great.

Very funny dark comedy.

Oh, Desperate Housewives.

Yeah.

Desperate Housewives.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's a good show I did.

A long time ago, yeah.

It's it's.

Funny.

It's it's it's like it's.

It's it's worth checking out if you've never checked it out.

It's very.

It's actually very funny.

Another dark, dark comedy.

OK, let's take a couple more comments and then we will.

We will.

We'll do this clip.

That's right.

Clip.

Clip the show rant at the end there.

Sonic, Turn it off, Haymaker.

How many people do?

Nobody does.

Nobody goes into their settings.

Do you know what the the app that's worst about that?

Is the the paramount?

App that they, Yeah.

I I quit them.

They they jump, they jump to the next thing all the time.

No, I quit Paramount, Quit Peacock.

Quit Netflix.

Quit.

Disney quit Hulu got rid of all of them.

I only have prime, YouTube TV and Apple.

Actual TV.

And Apple right now, that's it, right?

Just Just for this Apple, just for this show, you'll can't.

You'll cancel it after the show.

No, no, no, no.

Oh, you need your?

No no.

Apple is like Apple Plus is one of my favorite streaming services.

Right now it is amazing.

The amount?

Of shows on it that are absolutely fucking gold.

Like I said, before I watched Silo, I watched Slow Horses For All Mankind was fantastic.

Shrinking Ted, Shrinking.

I like the other Noah, whatever his fucking name.

Whatever his name is.

There is shows with Rose, I can't think of that fucking name.

He's got two of them on there.

Both of them are good.

No Apple Platonic and something else I forgot.

Apple Plus is definitely a very good service and I the the autoplay.

Thing it doesn't bother me as much, but I.

I definitely hear what?

You're saying, but I don't think that accounts for the numbers in the way that the response easily account.

I just think, I just think Pluribus is good and people are feeling it and I think but I but I think it's but I.

Think it's one of those types of shows that to your.

Point just like this podcast is not going to be for everyone and the immediate thing goes you might lose 40% of an audience, but that 60% that's going to stick around is really going to fucking dig this show and I think this show is going to go to some really interesting unique cool places and I'm drinking the Kool-aid Joe and I know I'm dragging your ass through you don't have to come back every week but every few weeks is fine but so I'm still watching it so but don't don't give up possibly enjoying it because.

Beyond.

I don't know because I have trouble.

It's for me personally.

This is just my perspective because of how I felt watching it.

It's hard for me to imagine you didn't watch that and have fun.

It was just a fun episode.

Like I was smiling and laughing and hollering and the whole time my chair in Uruguay, Paraguay, wherever the fuck it.

Was I was.

Glued to my fucking to the.

To the screen, Every time she's on on screen.

It's Carol for you, isn't it?

I feel like she's a fucking moron.

She's amazing.

Phil.

Phil, do you remember what I said to you about the scene?

When she took the.

Sodium pentathol.

And I was like, if she videotaped it, yeah.

That was the best scene in the.

Series so far.

Listen dude, I I completely missed that it was sodium pentathol, which meant I missed that she.

Was originally looking into the fucking.

Pharmacy for that specific drug.

I missed that she looked it up.

How did you miss that?

She was looking at the fucking bottles.

I miss that she put the syringe in.

How did you miss that?

What were you doing?

Because I cannot fucking pay attention to this character.

There's nothing about her that is.

Interesting.

There's nothing about.

That sounds like a utro fucking situation that she has made a remotely decent.

Fucking decision.

To it took her a whole fucking day.

A whole fucking day.

She woke up after the wolves started digging that fucking grave and she went and got the paving stones when she woke the fuck up and she didn't finish until the fucking sun came up, until the sun was coming down.

It took her all fucking day to leave.

All of about what?

Maybe.

12.

From the back.

You didn't have to carry him from the driveway down to the fucking grave.

She pulled the car all the way in.

All she had to do was not pull the fucking trunk.

But no, it took her a whole fucking day, Bill.

A whole day, That's why.

I cannot.

Fucking pay attention to anything this fucking chick does because everything she does is absolutely fucking stupid.

So you.

Just poison this fucking chick instead of just ask her questions.

I already figured out they can't fucking.

Lie.

So you just admitted you don't pay attention to her.

Yeah.

So you miss a whole lot of shit.

It's.

Hard to pay attention to her not for.

Me, I paid attention.

I watched it a second time.

I watched all.

Of that and I got all.

Of that and it was fun for me, not me.

Man, not me.

Not fun fun.

Lots of fun, lots of fun.

No, I mean that rant was fun too.

But that but not as fun as Carol but to.

Me you should love.

Carol, you're so.

Much like Carol.

OK.

You and Carol are like, you know.

Like there's there's some connection there you're.

You're yeah, yeah, we're exactly the same there.

Not exactly the.

Same, but there's there's.

Spirits, man, there's some.

Kindred emotional.

Spiritism, right?

I've heard Zocia man there is.

Dude like you 2.

Can like totally come together in like an amazing way.

Shut the fuck up, Joe.

Thank you, Gary.

Hemorrhage, hearts, Joe Vance.

I love it.

I do too, even if I think Joe is full of donkey balls.

Yeah, because I'd be friends with her.

Doesn't mean I want to watch her on my fucking television.

Volley breaks us.

We need Joe every week.

Phil.

I do this show with Phil every week, but I don't watch our show.

Yeah, we don't.

Yeah.

You don't hang out with me.

Either this is it, this is if I want to see Joe, this is it.

This.

This or if someone dies the only times I see Joe or this or if someone.

Dies.

For like the last year.

Next week, we're going to go out next week.

Do you know how close Joe and I live?

He'll never.

Come here and do his show.

Well, I got to work.

So I, I, I like, have to rush home.

No.

Fair.

Fair it.

Make it makes sense?

No and I don't.

Want you here like what the fuck maybe.

Once a season, come on, I don't want you yelling at me here like I like being a safe.

Distance from your.

Fucking shit, especially tonight.

Joe Joe is like her.

That's why he doesn't like her.

He doesn't like himself.

Joe is projecting himself.

Thank you, Daryl.

Thank you for psychoanalyzing Joe properly.

I, I think we're on to something here, folks.

I really finnick Kim Wexler's story.

There.

Yeah, you.

You haven't.

You don't tell people.

That I still haven't finished.

Better call.

Saws.

Yeah, Because.

Because you, because you don't.

You don't.

Like things you're, you're, you're.

Well, they just when you start taking too.

Much time off, I lose interest that that show win every year.

That's your win show every year.

I thought they took like a year and a half by the last season.

No, they were.

They were one of the last shows that kind of just went every year.

Yeah, something that just took that year was particularly.

Long then no I think you lost it sort of during the COVID like.

During that stretch, stop.

Yeah, possible because I.

Think I'm trying to think with like doing the podcast like I think you did everything up to the.

I think you just didn't start the last season like.

I think, I think when I was at Salem Hospital, I took such a pay cut that I had to work like 7 nights, six nights a week, 7 nights a week I was working.

13 out of 14 days, yeah, every night.

We will definitely do that.

We're going to do a podcast at some point in the offseason.

Joe and Phil's favorite.

Shows and he does need to finish it, I agree with that.

But we might do a maybe we'll do a Joe comes over and we watch the final season together type thing but someone dies.

This shit's dark.

Anyways, Joe, I think going into next week and going into our final three episodes, so I guess this is our last thing here.

So you you've said a couple times.

That the compelling part.

Of the episode for you was the Paraguay guy.

If he becomes more of a concrete character, could you see yourself?

That's what I'm hoping.

That's what I'm hoping for.

OK, so we'll see.

Open more than just fucking Carol, because there's nothing.

Likable about her?

There's nothing.

Likable.

About her honestly see to me that makes me think you just.

Don't like me?

Because I'm definitely you're not her dude.

I'm I love that you want.

To make yourself out to be this, you know.

Blonde woman that lives in Albuquerque who's a writer and lived a lesbian lifestyle that that has nothing to that has not.

Thank you for pointing out the things about her that has nothing to do with who she is like.

The fact the facts of her life have nothing to do with who someone is.

Joe, you know better than that, correct?

They only are what made you who you were, but you can still be a certain person that internalizes.

Things in a certain way.

And that's the way I relate to Carol.

Yeah, I'm sure you.

Relate to her, but you're nothing like her, so I'm sorry.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, Phil.

I'm yourself in that mirror all.

You want I'm way bigger, bigger of an asshole than you realize?

No, No.

Yes.

Yes.

You underestimate my underestimate.

How much you how much you think I'm an asshole?

Wow, what a Dick.

Oh, my goodness, Oh, my goodness.

You open the door and walk it through it.

Phil.

Yeah.

Joe.

Joe, join us.

Join us.

Oh.

My goodness everybody, thank you so much.

Good, good.

I'm glad you're hurt, you asshole.

Now, everyone, thank you for joining us this week.

Everyone in the podcast, thank you so.

Much for listening If you made it this far.

If you made it this far, go to wherever you are and hit Give us some ratings, give us a five star rating and a comment and a question or something or I don't even know what the hell I'm talking about at this point in time in the evening, it's over and I had to deal with fucking Joe all fucking night.

If you made it this far though, we we appreciate it and there will be weeks with Joe.

Here there'll be weeks, with me there'll be weeks.

With other guests, but we appreciate every time you tune in and everyone in the live chat.

You guys are amazing.

Phil's happier than she is.

I'm not as happy as I seem out here.

This is my This is the happiest.

I am.

I am my Really Joe, you have far more outlets.

You, I think you just, you just have a.

Hair across your ass with Carol.

You just don't.

Like you just don't like Carol.

That's what I keep saying, Joe.

That's exactly what I keep saying, yeah.

Yeah.

And that that.

Sours your whole.

Vision of the series.

You can't.

Like this series if you don't relate with.

Carol correct.

And that there's nothing relatable to her.

There's everything relatable about her.

The fact that you're so much like.

Her makes.

Her hard for you to relate.

To her.

Yeah, we're both like her.

We're.

But we're all Carol dickhead.

Anyways.

Thank you, Hemorrhoids.

Thank you.

Sandroko.

Sandroko.

Great.

To see you volley, you're amazing.

Iron Throne.

Invited me on this show Hemorrhoids.

Because I love it.

Something like that, everyone.

Will be back next week.

Thank you everybody.