Hey everybody, welcome back to Talking Pluribus.

I'm Phil the issues guy.

This is for episode 8, Charm Offensive.

And wow, another amazing episode of Pluribus.

This might have been my absolute favorite.

So much happened, so many questions answered and more questions raised.

I cannot wait to get into this episode and break this down as we lead into the season finale.

Let's not waste any more time.

I've been talking about this week after week.

It's the dog.

We saw an actual dog.

No, we didn't see dog packs running everywhere.

We didn't see armies of cats as I assumed that we would see, you know, like he Heathcliff in the top cats.

We didn't see all of that, but we did at least see a dog and get an answer to a question that I definitely had and a few other big answers that I kind of wanted answered that they just did where Carol was getting more answers, getting more results from honey.

What's that?

I'm forgetting what that expression is.

You know, you get more bees from honey than than poison, whatever the hell it is.

But Carol was sort of manipulating her own situation by getting more information or we were on the inside a little bit more.

So we got, we got more information about different things.

So we see the dogs and they specifically did say if dogs don't want to leave their owners, we don't make them leave that.

We let them hang her out, hang around.

I mean, there's some dogs that would just run off and don't want to spend time with their owners.

So what happens to those dogs?

Do those dogs die and eventually end up turning into pluribus milk?

Probably.

But at least we get the first part of the answer where we actually saw a dog.

And what happens to people's dogs that stick around them?

Because as I've said before, you can't see him.

But right there, there's a dog on the ground staring at me because he can't function without me.

And if I leave, he starts whining and crying.

So even if I am converted by odors, will still be the same and he'll want to follow me some more.

So I do appreciate that we got to see Bear Jordan.

You get more flies from honey than vinegar.

Thank you, Haymaker.

That is the correct expression.

When the dog popped in the screen, I thought of you good.

I'm glad.

I hope all of you that have been watching or listening along with us this season at the moment that dog popped up.

Actually, I popped into your brain.

It would make me happy in all the appropriate ways of making me happy.

I love her murder writing board.

I do too.

I like some of the aspects that we get into about how everyone's a fan of her book and getting back into writing her book.

And that is a certain part of this episode.

That is something if if I want to go on something else that I might have been a little correct about, even though I was incorrect on the them doing it tonight was was the fact that she would eventually start writing again and they would all be obsessed with the idea of her coming back and writing her book.

Carol's fighting back, but she ain't mano manos.

She's not in the title for next week's episode is an interesting title.

It's translates to the woman or the world.

So I think next week is going to be a very tense situation where Carol is faced with a very difficult choice and not everyone might end up coming out of it alive.

I don't know.

We'll we'll talk a little bit towards the end of this show about some of our predictions for the season finale and get your thoughts in the live chat.

They're eating cats.

They're eating dogs.

I bet they are in some way the smell of those markers Carol uses.

There's nothing you want a little magic marker high.

Is that what you're doing?

The actor, the dog actor was an excellent actor.

He's no my dog, skip coconuts, but he definitely you definitely had some intense acting ability and coconut texted a question to our phone to our phone chat earlier and she was asking about was was zocia doing that to manipulator distractor?

Let me see what the actual let me see what the actual message was.

It says is Zocia trying to throw Carol off?

Yes, I do think so.

And I think that's it's it's not by accident that the moment where she kisses her is when she is going on and on about you guys are manipulating me.

You're you're rebuilding my coffee shop, you're setting up the situation, all these different things.

And Carol start starting to sort of come out of the trance that she's been getting into throughout the episode.

At least that's how I read it.

There's a certain point in time in the diner where Carol has a Oh my God, this is a Jean Luc Picard in the Nexus moment where he just this is too good to be true.

Or when Kirk has a moment like that eventually too, with Picard's help.

But we don't have to talk about fucking generations right now.

But so I think she had a moment where she's like, oh, this is all like, this is all a little too weird for me.

And then Zosa sort of got in her face about it and they were talking about it or the hive did.

I'm calling it Zosa, but we them I've got into a whole big exchange with her about it and she's like you, you're doing this.

Where'd you take that?

That woman was from another side of the country.

She brought her here for play acting and it was a whole big thing just just for me, just for this.

Like what the fuck's your problem?

You're manipulating me, You're manipulating my emotions.

And in that moment, instead of doing anything else, she decided to, you know, kiss her and, and mess with that particular situation just to sort of distract her and get her off balance and handle her, I think in some way and realizing what she empathetically needed.

She's got a radio antenna that can pick up signals.

What are you, what are you doing, puppy dog?

Sorry, my dog is sniffing around me in an inappropriate way.

Like I feel like I'm a plurb and someone's sniffing around for some milk.

I don't know.

We, we got to, we got to play the play, play the play the Joe voicemail.

At some point we will.

Joe will.

Let's see if Joe calls back in at some point.

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We cannot wait to talk about this season finale.

Gary says I had feel something big will happen next week when Manos shows up.

My name is Manos.

I wish to save the world he is going to it's going to get pretty damn intense.

It really is.

I have no doubt that things are going to get incredibly crazy next week and I cannot wait.

I'm very I'm very excited to see where this goes trying a new setting here on YouTube streaming.

I don't know if it's working out well, but we'll see see how we let's see how we're doing tonight.

So we finally got some dog answers, catching this great show live for the first time.

Kate, I was just going to call you.

I'm not even going to try to pronounce your name.

I'm just going to call you Kate.

Kate K Totten because I you're like, great to check out your show live.

Now what?

Let me listen to you butcher my fucking name into the existence of hell.

But it's great to have you joining us live for the first time or anyone that's joining us live or on replay on the podcast or on the podcast afterwards.

But it's awesome to have you guys live joining me in the in the chat because it gets you get to share your thoughts.

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So, so much else information that some, so many other pieces of information came out in this episode.

I mentioned a few times they talk about how they communicate with some sort of radio wave, electromagnetic radio wave that connects on a sort of automatic scale that isn't even intentional.

I wrote it down.

I got a little bit more detailed in my notes, but still really kind of cool.

We've also moved on to day 60, so we've moved ahead in time a little bit by the end of this episode when Carolyn Zocia just seem to be developed in in a, in a basic relationship at this point, Manos is keeping up with his bill.

He doesn't want anything for free.

He isn't.

And that's important that he's making sure that and they know he cares about that.

So they're making sure they keep track of his bill for him, which I think is really kind of fun.

And let's see, you want, you want to you want to know what Joe's been thinking about this?

Let's get Joe's thoughts in this episode.

God damn it.

Well, I've been watching this shit for five fucking episodes and there's nothing, fucking nothing going on in this shit.

When is something going to fucking happen already, Joe?

I think some stuff happened tonight.

This was a pretty intense episode.

We learned a lot of information and the and the plot of the story moved along a great deal.

I'm sorry, I needed to needed to do the quick snack right there.

Money is useless.

It is useless.

This world is not useless though.

This world, these intentions, these vibes in this world that some of these characters are doing in the interactions are, are so intentionally manipulative.

I mean, more than ever now what?

What do you, what do you think, Joe?

Really.

Do you think so?

I've been watching this shit for five fucking episodes and there ain't nothing, fucking nothing going on in this shit.

When is something going to fucking happen already?

Yeah, that's true.

That's true.

Thank you for thank you for allowing me to drink some water.

Fake Joe, you're much.

You're very manageable and very easy to work with.

The dog thing was a big thing.

It really was for me.

It's been something that's been irritating me since the beginning, like just a minor thing that sort of was a big irritation.

What happened to the dogs?

What happened to the dogs that don't want to leave their owners?

And you can't just explain that with a quick aside line about, oh, we just let all the dogs off their leashes.

To me, that's bunk.

And I'm not talking about the amazing character from The Wire.

I'm talking about it's bullshit, and I'm glad that they kind of at least addressed that directly.

That's one thing I've really been enjoying about this show.

There's certain times where certain things come up and you're like, maybe this, maybe that, maybe something with Wiffle ball bat.

And then usually the next episode or a few episodes later some version of that is explained.

I appreciate that Joe does make some good points.

This episode was way better than the last one.

We got Daryl in the live chat and I'm glad you enjoyed this one a bit more.

Not even a bit more way more.

One thing about this episode in particular, I don't know who directed this one, but this was probably the best directed episode since the first one and I I'm not sure who did the first one.

I I think it was Vince.

I don't know, Vince did this one too, but this was or someone can someone can look that it or I can look that information up before the end of the show or make note of it in the description.

But whoever directed this episode did an amazing job.

Just the way everything was framed together and put together.

The tone, the way things were cut was cut a little bit different, a little less emptiness, a little bit more intent, a little bit of the music.

Driving the plot to and driving the driving the pot.

I think I just totally said driving the pot again, driving the plot and pushing things along and emotionally guiding us and bringing things on.

A pretty intense episode.

Intense, intense way.

This episode flowed exceptionally well and the the importance level of it felt higher, at least to me, I'd say.

And and Debbie Oh Bebie, oh Bebie, Oh Bebbie, the amazing Debbie says in the and I haven't even mentioned it.

The other big confirmation that we get in this particular episode is about the antenna that what they're doing in in the planet that they're from where I haven't written down in my notes, but whatever it was or the the star system that that they have, it's not Gary 7, but I haven't I haven't written down.

So we'll mention it later, but when they're looking at it through the telescope and they're sending up there that there's possibly all ocean there and they're setting up using all the resources and the energy and the planet to create a big antenna to communicate there or something like that.

I forget the wording of it exactly.

Again, I have stuff written down.

When we get into our recap, we'll break that stuff down and get into it.

But I thought all of that was really again, this show that isn't holding back, giving us information.

It's it's slapping it across your face and it's doing a lot of it in exposition.

But I was enthralled.

I was like, wait, what ocean like people whom tonight was the first episode where I'm like, are we going to get like and we we may never see these people.

They're way too far away.

We may never get a connection to them, but we're setting up an antenna to do everything we can to make a connection with them to get them to get the hell over here or whatever.

Did you read my comment, Phil?

I said the scenes flowed well before you said, oh, awesome, Daryl.

Great minds think alike.

Kepler 22 B Thank you, Debbie.

Oh, baby.

Oh baby.

Oh, baby, Oh baby in the lab chat.

Yes, we we were looking at the Kepler system and then the planet that this is from apparently is Kepler 22 B.

But they don't know what those people call it.

But that's what they all know it as.

And they don't know much about them, but they love them and they know they love them and they know they have to spread their happy message like like a virus across across the universe.

Words are flowing out like endless right into a paper cup.

Send it across the bloody universe.

What are you doing?

Sorry, my dog is freaking have been freaking out about the banana I was eating and it's I feel like he's giving me that Beverly Hills cop.

Can I get that banana in the tailpipe?

My dog knows dogs were talked about tonight and he he could not get enough of all of this is the Kepler planet You just heard my Boston accent come out really bad.

Is the Kepler dude is Kepler Kepler planet the source part of the chain virus dude?

Someone who asked if there's a second season.

Yes, there's already a second season ordered.

I've heard the writers room is just getting getting kind of going at the moment right now for season 2.

Just getting getting getting their ideas on the whiteboard, the murder whiteboard.

But huge bike says is the Kepler planet the source or part of the chain of the virus?

I think it's a source.

I could be wrong, but I think the implication of what Zocia was saying to Carol was that Kepler is the source of where all this came from initially.

At least that's how I took it.

But I also didn't think that Zocia and Carol were going to bang tonight and and Tony Teflon from Teflon TV on YouTube did.

So I'm giving him full credit.

I have to wear AT shirt.

Tony was right for a week.

But maybe other aliens sent the signal to Kepler.

I'm guessing Kepler is the we got tons of Star Trek stuff.

We absolutely did.

I'm guessing Kepler 22 B is our prime world.

That is, I'm guessing that is our main home for our signal.

Hey, hey everybody OK, Carol got mad at the guy for sleeping with the hive mind and now she's doing it dot dot dot hypocrite.

I'm sure that won't be the the discourse this week in the message boards.

I'm sure you're not trying on anything That's going to be a hot button issue this this week in the message boards.

Daryl or I can't, I can't feel with my mind already the all the Reddit posts about this honeypot.

I'm driving you crazy.

I'm in love, but I'm lazy.

Kate says in the first episode when the man in the TV says there's no aliens in this planet.

It felt to me like they also had the memories of the people who sent them here.

It did.

I didn't even think about that at the time.

But you're right, it does make a lot of sense the way they voice that, the way they communicated that they do have that sort of connection to their home planet in the home vibes.

And I think it's, again, really interesting and really it's just a good rapid pace of learning about this information, of learning about where this comes from and the name of it and where it is.

Dog, can you go lie down, please?

Vince said he currently envisioned Pluribus running for four to five seasons.

I could see that.

And I mean, he said the same thing about Breaking Bad and Saul, I believe, like 3-4 seasons and they ended up five or six or whatever they were.

So we'll see where this ends up.

This show, I think a lot's going to have to do with what happens in the next couple of next couple of episodes.

Next episode, I'm going to be very interest.

It's going to be very interesting to see where they set this up for future seasons in this next episode, especially with the episode being called The Woman or the World.

I think it's what I think it's what it's called, which I think will put Carol in a very difficult decision where she'll have to make a choice and we will see a surprising reaction that we're not expecting that will set the standard for what this show is going to be moving forward.

Maybe it's just the memories of the people in the area in Area 51, which they mentioned in Episode 2.

I would be happy with five seasons.

I would be happy with five seasons too.

I would just be happy with as many seasons as Vince wants to make because that that's what worked for them before and it should work now.

You know, make it till you don't, till it organically makes sense to finish it all off.

Vince knows the ending, just not everything leading to it and that's usually how he did.

I believe he knew the same thing with Breaking Bad.

He knew the final shots.

He knew he knew what he ultimately wanted Walt to end up being in towards the end of it all, but how he got there and all the different ways he went about getting there is was completely organically developed.

Right down to Jesse not not being killed at the end of season 1 as originally anticipate, as originally plotted out.

There's a lot of stuff like that.

And I think a Better Call Saul, Nacho was supposed to be a bigger character earlier and they end up having to push his storyline later because other stuff kept coming up.

But they always knew what his storyline was going to be.

But they sort of altered course when other things took focus more when when like Kim became more of a focus character than was originally expected.

A lot, a lot of stuff in these worlds and these three shows are figured out as they go while having the the beat points of where they want to take it.

And I've also heard Vince say, yes, I do know where things should go, but I also am not against changing it if the organic flow of it seems like it's going in a different direction unless certain things are ironclad.

So things develop as time goes as well.

Vince Carroll's Wycario 5 notes are telling us the ending.

Interesting.

Heather TV.

And I have to I have to go back and freeze frame the whiteboard and really read into that.

We need to do a full breakdown of what her notes to that have to say.

Thank you, huge bike, Hugh bike.

I'm going to call you huge bike because that just sounds funnier.

But what?

But again, just a a packed episode.

This episode felt very densely packed with so much stuff that happened.

It obviously could be subtitled the first date too, because most of it just felt like one giant interesting first date of of Carol and Zocia.

And I think I think the title was very apropos as well.

It's called charm offensive and showing you the charms that these things have and sort of pushing that and, and the offensive nature.

I don't want to be too goofily.

I was going to say literate, but but illiterate how Carol's whole morality system of what she's been building up against these things were were being broken down by the manipulation.

The manipulation is endless and constant and will Mano be able to break her out of this when she sees another real person that reminds her of her initial mindset of this but is way more hardcore about it?

That's what I'm wondering.

It's one of the things I'm definitely wondering.

Area code 5 O3 asks Phil thoughts on Carol freezing her eggs?

I feel like they mentioned that for a reason.

I know a lot of people have made speculations that they may use that as some way of turning her.

I don't know about that.

I do think there could get to a point where something is used with that because they did make a certain point to mention them.

I'm not sure exactly how that will manifest itself, but I could see it could see it being something, not nothing.

And I know that's a very vague answer, but they it was one of the first things that was clearly mentioned.

And most lines in a show like this, in a Vince show aren't throwaways.

They all have intentional value.

And I think this might have some intentional value.

So we'll have to see how that manifests through the end of the show.

But you could see you could see something happening with that before the end, even as a way of another way of manipulating Carol.

You know, I think so much of this episode showed more of the nefarious side of the the hive.

And I'm not saying they haven't shown nefarious before.

Joe mentioned that a lot.

Tony's made men mention of that a lot too, about how these things can't, you know, ways these things can't be trusted.

The manipulation game.

But the manipulation game in this episode was even more obvious.

They were.

It was more blunt.

It was.

It reminded me a lot of Star Trek when we get Deep Space 9 in the spoiler alert for Deep Space 9.

At one point in time, the bad guys take over Deep Space 9 and a couple of the good guys are left on there.

And one of them is Odo.

Odo is a part of something called the Great Link, a hive mind situation.

Different individuals come out of the hive mind, but they're all, but they're individuals within the hive.

And whatever they do something called the linking, where they link together and they can kind of become one.

And it's sort of a, it can be viewed as an erotic experience or a manipulation like tactic or a way of sort of bringing you back into the hive consciousness.

And I think there was an element of the female shapeshifter manipulating Carol like Odo in this episode, and it was just blatant and obvious on the nose manipulation.

And Carol was eating it up and I think she knew it, but she didn't care.

Let's get into the live motherfucking chat.

And Huge Bike says it's been established that Zocia equals Ribbon, her character.

We've seen this in some of the notes that play out.

Ribbon dies again, for real this time.

Could that be foreshadowing that that Manos kills her in the next episode?

It gets into a situation where Manos is like fuck this thing.

We we've almost hinted at him almost killing one a few times so far.

What if you just straight up does it and it's OSHA?

How does that, how does Carol react to that?

Does Carol run to the hive and beg to be joined and then the season ends with her trying to join after Manos kills Dosha?

Very, very possible.

Something like that maybe.

That's my little speculation, my Little Miss Cleo hat for what might happen here.

Where is anyways let's not waste any more time.

Let's Where did you get the stool with the Plaid pens in the back?

I want 10 those things in the background.

Someone was asking about the, the stool with the, the feet thing right there that was found at a craft fair yard sale thing back in the mid 90s by my mom.

It's one of the few things I kept from our old from our old house just because I thought it was fucking kitschy and stupid and amazing.

And I like will never not take that with me for the rest of my life.

People are listening to the audio cast.

It's a stool with like feet and Elvis shoes.

It's like it's most ridiculous thing.

I'll, I'll try to put up a picture of the podcasting notes, but it's, it's quite ridiculous.

But I, I do, I, I love that damn thing too.

She kills him to protect social.

I think that could happen to Killmonger.

That's a different way of taking the same sort of situation.

I'm talking about that.

We're going to get a moment like that in this next episode.

The title of the episode is, again, an intentional choice of a title of the episode.

And Carol, Carol and the Hive were fucking with each other mentally and they fucked with each other physically now, says Daryl.

We should all join the hive, says Ian.

He's going to use that box cutter.

And Oh my God.

So Heather definitely has some, has some, has a serious point.

Odo is my small Chihuahua.

Oh, and Quark is my the dog you see running around here is Quark.

So your dog and my dog would argue excellently.

Your dog would be like Quark.

What are you doing?

We got our first super chat of the night.

Thank you so much, Shogun.

Manos would kill, wouldn't kill Zosha.

He knows the real Zosha is in there.

So he wouldn't kill an innocent human.

That is an excellent point.

And we've seen him so far make it a point not to cause violence or danger to people if he could, and leave money and leave safety.

So he accurately doesn't want to necessarily hurt these things.

He just doesn't want any part of them because he's had plenty of opportunities to kill them before.

But he we've actively seen him make choices not to haymaker.

Look at that damn freeze frame and report here Sandroko.

I don't Carol real.

I don't think Carol really cares about the hive, but maybe she was caught on the manipulation.

I don't Carol really cares about the hive but maybe she was caught on the manipulation.

No, we can't lose OSHA.

I recreated as a Google doc.

Awesome.

Fucking Heather that is amazing.

Manos is totally killing Zoja with his knife.

People in the live chat let me create a poll and I'll create a poll in the podcast as well.

What do you think's going to happen in the finale?

I'm going to just give the two choices because I think one of the two things is going to happen.

Carol will kill Manos, Manos will kill Zocia.

I think one of those two things happens in the finale.

I could be wrong, but that's my speculation as of now.

And yeah, Manos never yells at them either.

He doesn't freak them out.

He doesn't he's, we haven't even gotten to the point yet to see where and if he has the same power ability that Carol has to be able to kill mass amounts of them at once.

Gary says bye.

Bye, Zocia.

Oh my goodness, it is going to be fun to see.

Let's see what happens in the finale, everyone.

What happens in the finale?

Let's see, I tend to think that Manos is going to is maybe neither.

Maybe he'll just try.

So I'm going to say try.

Manos tries to.

Sorry about spelling.

Here we go, Zoja.

We'll say Manos tries to kill Zoja or Carol tries to kill Mono to protect Zocia.

Listen, maybe I'm thinking too simplistically.

Maybe Karen tries to kill, and when I say he tries to kill Mono, I mean to protect Zocia.

Because it's too many words.

They wouldn't let me type it all out.

I do think I do think one of those two things actually ends up happening.

Carol Zosa mano three-way.

That would be the most unexpected outcome.

There is no try.

There is only do careless.

Fuck Zosa.

There was sexual climax and a story climax for Zosa so it could be the end of her storyline.

Zosa isn't a threat to Manos.

I hope he doesn't try anything interesting.

OK, I probably should have put another option that neither.

Phil, don't stop.

Stop the madness.

You're not good at picking things, asshole.

No, I could have put something like that coin toss 5050.

I do think something intense like that's going to happen.

It might not go full on murder bot type situation, but I do think there's going to be some serious tension in some serious.

Either you come with me or you stay with her.

Either she leaves or I leave.

Might not quite be might not be murder the case that we get here, but it might be more like it's me or her, you know, either either you get the hive away from us and the two of us are going to work together to solve this fucking thing.

I don't want pancakes.

Stop making me fucking pancakes.

I don't want an omelette.

We, we want them all dead.

Doesn't does Manos want them all dead or does he want everyone back?

What is he going to do with the ability if he finds out he has the ability to kill them?

We've joked about this a little bit before.

Is he going to go full on and try to see how many he can take out?

I hope so.

Someone's going to die or there's going to be a big fight, something interesting, huge like that's going to happen.

We got Adele in the live chat.

He wants them gone, not dead.

That is the better way of putting it.

I think he, I think he actively does not want to kill them, but he will if it means saving them.

I think he thinks they're being dead is probably better than the state they're in right now.

But I don't necessarily know if he wants them dead.

Does that make sense?

Because I do think if it's like we can't turn them, he would happily murder everybody.

But I don't think his intention is to kill all these idiots.

It's just to to rid them to, to do an exorcism of sorts.

Honestly, that whole conversation made me hungry for ice cream.

This whole episode is making me hungry for ice cream especially.

Especially mango ice cream, because that just sounds incredibly awesome.

It really does.

It sounds delicious to me.

I don't always love like fruit ice creams and more of a, you know, like chocolate, different versions of chocolate ice cream.

But mango is, you know, can't go wrong with that.

But you know what you out also can't go wrong with?

You can't go wrong with the recap.

So let's get into this recap.

We open up on something blurry and a body's being dragged and we see drops of blood in slow motion.

And the sound editing of this scene is just bloody, pun intended, bloody amazing.

It's just creepy.

We got a we got, we got a doctor talking to mono says he's waking up.

He's like you're, you're on antibiotics.

You're going to be OK.

You'll regain your strength soon.

He grabs A scalpel, doesn't hurt the dude, but he grabs them, holds them hostage to get out of there.

And they're just, and they're all like talking to a blah blah blah.

Someone hands them the 8 grand bill.

You know, this is how much you owe.

You're going to be OK.

You'll, you'll pay it back eventually.

And he heads into an ambulance and he's off and this then we flash over to our Carol scene and Carol's sitting there making some lemonade.

She's running water.

It's it's it's time for the most awkward and weirdly romantical first date of my life.

Duncan Egg in the next month from yeah, we'll be doing from from his.

We do dual streams on Teflon TV.

Tony Teflon, my one of my my partners here in this this podcasting world.

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So OK, so it's very shadowy.

There's a she's she's they have this weird conversation about the sweetness factor of lemonade and Carol doesn't add enough water.

It's like awkward first date stuff.

Carol was talking about about painting, about the painting and rationalizing about the way about, about talking about this.

You know, there's, there's like animals out here.

There's like buffaloes and buffaloes are going to eat the painting and I need to take the painting because I'm scared of the buffaloes eating the painting.

It's cute chit chat talk.

It's pretty interesting stuff.

Mono is a selfish or not selfish is a stubborn son of a bitch.

He really is.

The question is, will he be a selfish son of a bitch?

Will he be able to think empathetically and think about this in a wider angle at some some point in time?

How is he going to react to Carol and to Carol's perspective in this world and how she offers different things?

And when he gets more information about the other 13, about the other 12, I think this is going to be fun.

I cannot wait to see some of our him included into the equation.

It's just creates necessary conflict and drama.

Don't forget about our Kitty dies a virgin.

Bet I will not.

You guys are awesome.

OK, so they talked about the painting.

Zoshi is like, yeah, we do.

We don't want we don't want buffaloes eating the OR carrots of Yeah, we don't want buffaloes eating the Mona Lisa as they awkwardly sip lemonade.

Carol was like, I don't know what to talk about.

What do we talk about?

Do people really put pitchers of drinks in the fridge with no top?

I don't.

I always make it a point to put some sort of plastic top or Saran wrap on the top just in case, because I know that sometimes temperature fluctuation in my particular refrigerator can cause liquid to fall from the top of the refrigerator.

And I don't want that liquid in my drinks.

But I guess some people do if they have brand new refrigerators.

I've seen people put like cups of coffee in the refrigerator to chill it for a while or something like that.

But I don't know if they put like a whole picture like that and like leave it in there.

Carol's a very nervous is very nervous on her first date.

It was a very, very nervous feeling, awkward first date vibe, sexual chemistry, anticipation thing, slow intentional manipulation tactics by the Hive and Zocia.

This was the intention from the beginning.

This is why she was sent there.

This is why they picked somebody that looks like her fantasy because they know once Carol opened the ability to let Zocia in, it wouldn't be difficult.

And as I've said since we've saw it in as Tony and I were talking about on Sunday night, they made it a point to show her on sodium penthol, say how fuckable she thinks she is just so this even makes more sense.

And they know that they can pick up on that.

And Zoja was picking up on that and picking up on the queues.

Not even Zoja.

They were.

This wasn't a subtle manipulation.

This was a Turkey shoot.

This was an obvious on the nose.

We are, we are fucking with you right now and you can't do anything about it.

You, you need us, huh?

Now you have to drink our shit.

Well, I don't want to get into that.

No, she's not going to drink the milk.

But maybe Zosia does look similar to her.

Look, it's it's not, it's even more than that.

It's that she looks similar to the character in her book that she designed from a fantasy.

It's so she's technically looks like if you close your eyes and imagine your dream man or woman and you're like, that's this is the perfect, you know, body perfect thoughts.

This is what I want.

You know, when I close my eyes and I'm watching something or thinking about that something, this is who I'm thinking about.

They found someone that looks exactly like that or looks as close to that as somebody can look.

And also within that has all the internal knowledge of her former wife.

To so knows every trigger, not just her former wife, every girlfriend she's ever had and can manipulate her perfectly.

It's actually it's actually amazing.

It didn't happen sooner, but Cara wasn't in a place to let it happen.

You know, she had too much of the too much of her security force up.

It wasn't until the breakdown here and the long, slow manipulation, the hive was flexing Sandroko.

That's a great way of putting it.

The hive was like, what?

I'm going to hit this shot.

Fuck you.

I'm going to hit it again.

In your face was like doing that.

Like when you watch those videos, like, well, they people say that, you know, Larry Bird used to do people.

He'd be like, you know, I'm going to shoot this ball right in your face off the backboard and it's going to go in and you can't do a shit about it.

OK, It's in.

She was doing that or the hive was doing that was calling their shot to Carol, pulling it off and giving her a little F you to giving her a little a little sass to to top it all off.

And and I, I am it was it was a marvel to watch.

You suck, Carol.

This battle.

This was a battle of wits.

You can cold brew coffee and tea in the fridge any size.

Now you're making me thirsty.

Now watch this drive.

I used to be great at this game.

So they talk about playing a board game.

Play.

What should we play?

Should we play pictograms?

No, you're going to know all the answers.

Should we play chess now?

Fuck no chess.

I can't play against the chess masters there.

And don't forget.

And don't forget, Carol, you're missing a white Rook that you lost in 1997, but we'll get you a new one.

It's like, Oh my God.

But no, no, no.

But how about we play the game you played with your cousins back in the day?

Spit.

I forget how to play, but I remember playing spit back in the day.

I think I used to play it as a drinking game, but I could be making that up just I feel like mixed in with this game asshole.

We used to play as a drinking game.

I have a memory of playing spit.

This is one of those moments where I wish Joe is here.

He would have better memory for this shit than me.

So just at yeah, and and she starts the manipulation or the flirting or the way the hive is interacting with her evolves, gets into not just glazing you.

She actually can get into playful the to use a Borg term, Debbie, Debbie, my fellow Star Trek, not out here.

The they're adapting.

They're assimilating the Borg's assimilating here.

They're they're understanding the ways to reach Carolyn, the better ways of reaching her.

They suffocate her from human contact or, you know, whatever creature contact.

And now they have her in a very vulnerable state and they don't manipulate her just with kindness.

They also know that fucking with her works a certain level of teasing flirting.

That kind of flirting works really well with Carol and they're assessing that and they're using it and it's a lot of fun to watch the way the Hive is adapting.

And I'm not becoming a fan.

I'm still on Team Carol and Mono kill these people, kill these things, but it's it.

But it's very fun and a very unique experience to watch as the Hive develops and, and combines and adapts to their situation here when interacting with Carol and the way that they've gone about it, this very systematically breaking her down point for point for point.

And it's, it's also, you know, killing her with kindness at times it's, you know, giving her the hammer or the, or the candy or something like that.

There's another expression, I don't know, I don't know yet, but that that I don't quite, that I'm not quite quoting correctly, that I have some word in my head, some sort of idiom or some sort about, about kindness and violence and meanness.

And they're sort of breaking her, but also showing her overt happiness and kindness.

And and it's it's expert level, it's epic levels of manipulation.

It really is.

I think we're ultimately all down to team Bear, Jordan, Sonic Boy, What?

Let's see what else I heard more recent that Carol.

Interesting.

A lot of cool stuff is happening here and the debate on what Carol did and what that means is going to be permeating all week.

OK, so they play spit, they're going back and forth, they're having some fun.

They talk about how everyone is coming back to town and within the hour Carol asked them if they can clean up the paint or the, the wherever She wrote please come back.

And Zosha's like, and she tells Zosha, you can go.

So she's like, you know, I can stay, you know, if you want me to stay, She's like, do you want to stay?

Well, you know, if you want me to.

But she goes and she or she's getting ready to go.

And Carol asked, where do you guys live?

Like what?

What like do you all have houses?

Like what's going on?

Another question we've been asking for weeks.

Where do they go?

Where do they live?

And they don't have private property.

They all are in arena sleeping together.

Like the whole city is all piled into the Astrodome or it's not the Astrodome, but what's the where?

Where do the the Cardinals play?

Is the do the Cardinals even exist?

I don't even know.

I'm like dating myself, but they're in some giant football stadium or or arena of some sort.

I could, in my memory.

I'm can't remember if it was like a like an open top football stadium or a closed top arena.

I think it was a closed top arena of some sort.

Should I stay or should I go now?

Beer Jordan.

That was Quark's favorite.

My dog, Quark's favorite character.

Agreed.

Not sure if they fully succeeded in the manipulation.

That's the thing.

Sandroko.

How much was Carol just playing 4D chess, as they say?

Or like in poker terms base like an idiot in poker or a a donkey in poker, for instance, will usually act weak when they're strong, strong when they're weak.

And that's like the basic thing.

It's like an improv, you know, yes.

And you know, the basic thing in poker, someone will act strong when they're weak, weak when they're strong if they don't really know what they're doing.

So but if someone knows what they're doing, you have to assess that they know that they know that Ferris passed out at 31 flavors last night.

You know, you have to go.

You have to really sort of think it out.

Like, are they thinking that I'm thinking that?

They think that?

I think like, you have to sort of date back and really look at how they did it and assess their whole story to see if bullshit alarms fire off and then you can kind of put them on a hand.

Could Carol have been playing poker here and playing poker Horrible, horrible, horrible bad joke.

I can hear everyone turning this off out simultaneously.

No, but was she using it as in her own version of a manipulation and sort of 1 upping the the hives manipulation and doing it doing all of that, yes, to get the human contact that she needs because why not?

But also to get the information that she needs and to learn more, to assess, to find out more information, to almost be a mole to get on the inside to know where all these things are sleeping now, to understand more about where they're from.

Like she found out more information in this episode than she has on her own being like an us and them vibe.

So it could have been that she's assessing doing this.

Yeah, I did this.

Fuck I was drunk and I fucking fucked her but I should use this as an opportunity to learn stuff or take advantage of the situation like the guy on Air Force One is.

So he's take it.

Why not?

Why can't I do it too?

I can do two things can be true at the same same time.

I can try to save the world and enjoy my dream girl that's has the mind that has the memories of my fiance or my wife.

I can't remember if they were already married or about to be married like so I can see where there's maybe some extra levels of manipulation here going on.

Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

Hey, oh, take my wife, please.

Hey, Maker, I imagine you as some like old school, you know, Jackie Mason, comedian.

Hey, liquor in the liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

Hey yo, do they shower?

They have to.

I mean we saw Zoja shower at some point earlier in the season when she was cleaning up for Carol.

So I assume they do at least when they are going to interact with any of the 12 because they want to present the best case expression for yourself.

So I bet Zoja showers daily before she sees Carol, but she showered just because she was meeting Carl.

Carl, I wonder what that many people sleeping do they get?

That's a good question, Simon.

And I didn't really answer that part of it.

I answered the I answered your qualification instead of your actual question.

Do they shower on their own?

I don't know.

I think on their own, by their own instinct, they would probably say not to shower because it's not energy optimal.

It's a waste of energies and the all energy needs to be dedicated towards building the antenna and saved energy.

So isn't using any hydropower for water shower purposes would just be a misuse of appropriations?

Water should be for consumption and for for other intangibles, but not for that showering.

At least that's what I would assume.

Maybe they bathe in bodies of water like they bathe in fresh water or something like that, like lakes and ponds and shit, because they exist anyway.

But maybe they wouldn't because that might kill microorganisms.

So I would, if I was a betting man, I would say I bet that they don't shower on their own.

They shower just to smell better for the the 12, the 13 people that they interact with.

Holy shit another super chat donation.

Thank you Shogun.

I feel like they successfully manipulated her almost If it was Carol's long play, why did she have the long positive realization in the if it if it was Carol's long play, why did she have the long positive realization the Cafe then Good point.

She if she was playing a long game, she wouldn't of sort of had an aha moment where she's like realizing, Oh my God, I've been drinking this fucking kool-aid.

They're getting me.

I'm losing my individuality like she did or this is all just a bit too good to be true and it's too much.

So that's that is a fairpoint.

I think it's more likely that she's not tactically doing this.

She's getting lost in it and she had the realization she might have more realization.

I think we in the way that we've seen things early to symbolize things that happened later.

I think we saw her have that moment in the cafe to make it more believable when later on she goes with Mono or decides, you know, fuck Zocia, fuck the Hive, I'm on this team.

But maybe not.

It could very well go in another direction like that.

But I do think you make an excellent point, Shogun, that if it was a double side manipulation on Carol's part, she wouldn't have had that aha moment.

And even in the moment when she's sending Zocia away, she's when Zocia kisses her, that was her.

Like no, fuck you, I'm done with this moment.

And Zocia sort of upped the manipulation with the physical contact in that moment because that was the escalation from the hive, not Carol doing what she could to use that as a manipulation for herself.

Or yeah, against that, against them.

It was actively, you could tell it was the hive going OK to move to Devcon 2, you know, kiss her.

And they moved right to Devcon 2 and they kissed her.

So, yeah.

So I think you're you make you make excellent points, Shogun.

Excellent.

I think they fail on complimenting her on the writing.

I think Carol hates her own books.

I think that's an excellent point to Sandroko.

I think we've seen several points throughout the series since the beginning that she doesn't.

She thinks why Cario is crap.

And I think that might be one of the things that brings her back out of it when she rereads what she wrote and she's like, this is crap and they love it.

That says a lot.

They weren't married, OK?

They were just they were engaged slash just boyfriend, girlfriend.

But that was a great observations.

Shogun.

I'll be sexing Zoja while I save the world writing by novels as a maker.

And in this episode, there was a man taking off his clothes before going into bed.

So maybe there is some level of individual comfort.

That's another thing we found on this episode.

I haven't got to that yet in the conversation, but we figure out that there is individual comfort within the hive.

I think they ask that question like, if you everyone is everyone getting this massage, does everyone feel what you're feeling as a way of rationalizing the sex later?

That it isn't Carol's the to ease Carol's mind that she's not having sex with the world, even no more so than she did before with everyone having the knowledge of Helen.

Like she's not giving pleasure to the world right there.

Individual pleasures, unless the hive was lying, individual pleasures like that are within, exist within the body.

The hive can be aware of it but not actually feel it.

And I have the verbalization of it written down.

We'll get to that in a moment.

Sonic, your Boy George is getting upset.

I was great.

I was grateful for the massage scene.

Me too.

And I think it's very important to what we're how we learn about how these things receive and feel pleasure and sort of dictate information.

That was some of the biggest pieces of information.

I like that we got in this the radio waves and how they communicate and finding out about the individual temples, the houses that that a massage is a massage.

Like you only feel it if someone is impaled on a on a fence or whatever happened.

Not everyone's feeling that.

Why carry.

Yeah, that was the code name when people when before people knew what this show was called, if the why Carry O was.

And people thought when they started to figure out what it was about, what the show was about, they were convinced that that still was the name and that exactly like, why care?

You know, why carry O So boom boom, boom, boom.

I just love bald men, OK?

They all show them sleeping in an area together, all held together.

It's more efficient for heating and such.

Carol asks if this will turn into an orgy like the Matrix, and Zocia gives her a well, do you want an orgy, Carol?

I mean, that was so the vibe it was, it's like if Carol had said, yeah, let's turn this into a party, it's before we know it, the music, the porno music would have played and it would have turned into a a party in their pants.

So Carol's gives a really look and so she's like, ha, ha, ha, just kidding.

But no, not kidding.

That would have turned dirty in a heartbeat.

So, and here we go, doggy poo runs up the Carol.

I had to double take for a second.

I'm watching doing my notes like this.

This is example of me watching.

Oh, I'm balding.

No wait, is that a dog?

Poppy.

Poppy So the dog comes up, Carol asks the question I've been dying to ask.

Is the dog one of them?

No, no, no, no, no.

This, this special little guy is Bear Jordan.

We did get, we get that total matrix reference, which is our, I think it's our is that our first matrix reference?

We've got a bunch of Star Trek ones, but I think that's our first matrix one.

I'm surprised we haven't got a do you want to take the blue pill or a red pill line?

This.

I think the best part we get to the best part of this episode and I don't think it's close.

Bear Jordan.

I mean he amazing name for an amazing dog, but bear Jordan is not in the hive.

I thought it was going to be a puppy snuggling with Carol.

Not no shit.

That would have been an even better better part of this episode.

There's no nudity in this program.

This side.

We got the little side button, one of the one in two episodes ago, I think they they don't keep pets, but if they refuse to leave the owner's side, they take care of the animals.

Isn't that nice?

So can they feed the animals?

I guess dog food's already made.

But what would happen if the what happened if they ran out all the dog food and they need to make more dog food?

Would they feed the they would feed the dogs the milk, right?

They'd feed the dogs the human, The the human stuff.

That's probably what they feed them anyway.

Yeah, gross.

I was just feeling good about this dog thing.

Until you realize that they're probably feeding the dogs the human remains too.

Which should have been Carol's follow up question.

What do you feed the dogs?

Do you feed the dogs?

You're fucking weird.

Human parts.

Milk product.

Yeah, they do.

They feed the dogs HTP.

Of course they do.

Of course they fucking do.

OK, so they, they ask her if she wants to sleep over and they she can call her mum and ask for permission and she's like, no, I don't want to.

I don't want to sleep over.

They definitely feed the fucking dogs like an HTTP.

Mano eats the dog.

Yeah, Mano is eating all the dog food.

There's no dog food left mine who ate it all, and they dumped out the rest to put fucking human HDP in the fucking dog food bags.

So all the dog food's gone.

So they must be feeding the dogs HDP.

Damn damn dirty hive.

So Carol goes and pets the doggy Carol's and then they cut when they make it look like Carol's leaving and they cut and Carol's.

Got her arms around Zocia, and this was the moment I knew I was in trouble with Tony.

I'm like, uh oh.

And they pan out and she's cuddled with all of them.

She's spooning Zocia.

Zocia drops her off the next morning.

And we have that awkward at the end of the first date sort of vibe.

Well, well, that was.

I had really a lot of fun with you.

I had really a lot of fun with you, too.

Do you like breakfast?

I can make you breakfast, OK?

And she's like, no, no, no.

And Carol runs out of the car like a like, Oh my God, what's happening?

I'm I'm falling for Zocia.

So Carol heads home to her whiteboard for the cure and her why carry a whiteboard?

And she moves it all around and she writes down what she knows.

And she runs down again.

They they eat people.

And she underlines it again because she's trying to talk herself out of wanting to fuck Zocia so much or be intimate or be in a relation, you know, get to know OSHA on a deeper level.

So we cut off to a beautiful desert landscape, mountain place.

This is just that stuff that, like, we got one of those shots in this episode that you're just like, yeah, Vince Gilligan's whole team is like watching a Coen Brothers movie sometimes.

Just the landscape, the way they shoot landscapes, the way everything looks there, just a beautiful, awesome landscape.

Let's go in the live chat for a second.

We got Miss Mod 3460 Manos.

That's a good that's good as money.

Sir.

Those are IOUC Hospice might want to hang on to that one.

I thought that was hilarious that he hung on to that.

Whether he's leaving IOU's everywhere.

It's just a funny sort of situation.

It shows how good of a doobie he is.

But you know, with the the medical stuff, you know he doesn't.

He shouldn't have to pay that socialize that hive healthcare right there.

Mother fuckers.

If Mono runs out of cash, how is he going to siphon enough gas to get to Albuquerque?

It's true he might have to, he might have to use the hive to pump some gas there, but I don't think he will and he doesn't have the suction power anymore to fill that thing.

I assume they brought him somewhere relatively close.

Like he's pretty damn close at this point.

The whiteboard is key.

Both of them check out that whiteboard.

We definitely need to do we need to freeze frame and get into that whiteboard.

I'm having an awesome time, guys.

What if they have goldfish?

They set them loose in a lake and then they get bigger, right?

Don't, don't they don't goldfish get bigger if you put them in a lake?

Is that a is that a myth or is that a fact?

Did did Mythbusters do that?

Can you put if you put if you put fish like goldfish in a big pond, they become giant goldfish.

He better be Sandroko.

He's leaving a lot of IO us around the world.

Love me, love me.

So sure you love me.

Oh, they're still in Panama.

OK, so he's got a while to go.

So yeah, he needs to siphon off more gas.

So yeah, he's still got, he's still got an awful long drive.

So they're they're still in Panama.

I thought they might have brought him a little further north, but Nope, I guess they just left him in Panama.

They brought him to the closest hospital.

So but yeah, it's great view.

There's they're just having a really connective moment looking at the landscape and Carols, they see the train and Carol says, why do you still need trains?

And she's like to move food around different supplies.

Excuse me?

And Carol starts talking about how she thinks that the train siren is the loneliest sound in the world and she says I must have said this to a human sometime in my life.

You probably know this and you should see the look on on manipulation Zosia's face.

No, I did not know that.

I'm learning something new about you.

Oh and it's just this Oh my good.

It's she's a lamb to the slaughter of Zosha's manipulation tactics.

The hive is killing her here with with every master manipulator left in the world.

You you're working at top effort to to manipulate Carol here.

It's it's silly how easy this is for Zosha when she gets on the playing field.

Carol asks how, oh how they all communicate and she says they communicate with an electromatic electromagnetic like filed waves, like a radio wave, but it's it's kind of like breathing.

It's homeostatic.

Like they don't, it's not like an active choice.

It's like it's something that's just a natural way that all information is contained and and shared.

I'd have to listen to that scene again to get the exact wording of that, but still more information about that than we had before.

Gary says yes, goldfish can significantly grow larger if you've taken them into a lake upon compared to staying in a small aquarium or bowl.

Thank you.

I've always heard that or thought I heard that, but have no facts to back it up.

So now I'm going to use Gary as my empirical evidence to back that up just because I, as long as I hear it from a second person, I'm like, yeah, I didn't make that up because I do have an awful, an awfully big imagination.

So she is like, yeah, Carol's like, I don't understand.

But I guess whatever.

Oh, no, she did.

I don't understand why you need trains.

I already said it's food distribution.

And Carol's like, Oh, yeah, sure.

So they go off to getting massages.

Carol is moaning.

It feels so good.

And she's like, asks OSHA, does it feel good?

Like, how's this work?

You're giving yourself and me a massage at the same time?

Like, does that even feel good?

Or are you massaging yourself?

Like, what the fuck is going on here?

Does everyone feel this right now?

And this is the foreplay for the sex scene.

And what I mean by that is answers the question of whether Carol had sex with the world before she has sex.

So they were smart to put the scene in here just to kind of institute this information so we know how and where sort of sexual energy and that kind of stuff happens.

Now I'm just curious, Joe, how are you?

How are you feeling about this episode right now?

Like, like I, I, I kind of need, I need you to tell me what's up, Joe.

Like, is this any better for you tonight?

God damn it.

Well, I've been watching this shit for five fucking episodes and there's nothing, fucking nothing going on in this shit.

When is something going to fucking happen already?

Yeah, I know, Joe, I understand.

But again, I think lots happened tonight.

Man, I really wish, you know, like the Grinch, your soul was warmed a little bit because I feel like there's so much and so many entertaining moments and so much incredible texture to every beat of this show that I feel bad that you're missing out, Joe.

But thank you for talking to the people.

So I could take a sip of water.

Zocia wouldn't have tried to get wouldn't have had to try to get me going since Daryl, she had sex with the world.

So did they fake it?

We got jump in slash in the live chat.

He says huh, sorry I need to take a sip of water.

So I played a random voicemail from my Co host who isn't here tonight, who's retired for the rest of the season because he's not feeling the show.

I realized that some people might be joining us for the first time and they're like, who is this Joe?

Why is that message relevant?

What the fuck are you even talking about?

I had a Co host for some of my recaps here.

He is not feeling the same way about this show.

And that is one of our callers last week doing an impression of him that I was just basically playing so I could have a moment to drink some water.

The mythical Joe.

Yeah, Phil is I'm.

I'm just going to talk about myself in the third person for a second.

Phil is thirsty.

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

I talk a lot.

Every 45 minutes I need a sip of water.

OK, so he really does.

And in all jokes aside, Joe, I talked to Joe earlier tonight.

He really wanted to come on tonight, but he had a horrible night at work and he's still feeling under the weather.

So he he sends all of his best and all of his love to all of you guys and he misses you.

And he wishes he could join join us tonight.

He really does she had sex with 1 body with the world watching Gary.

That is the best way or sort of the moment it was done Zoja like is has is attached to the there's like two way glass that everyone was watching or she's in the locker room telling all of her friends.

Yes, Edward Martin.

That is a good, that is a good subtitle for his name there.

So we speak your name.

We love you, buddy.

We do.

I, I love him too.

So does everyone does she asks, does the whole world feel like it's getting a massage?

And in the last she's like, no, because in like the last 10 minutes, there's like 965 births, about 1500 deaths.

And a man in Bulgaria got impaled in a fence and but he's OK.

We know it, but we don't feel it.

So again, the whole world will know we have sex, but they won't actually feel it.

So we're aware.

You got goosebumps right there.

So they're also aware and tapped into Carol, even though she's not actually part of the hive.

They can also feel her emotions, which is probably why she's tapped in enough to be able to kill them with negative emotions.

So because she can, she taps into their radio waves, which probably means mono can do it too.

And all the 13 people can do it.

They all can sort of target those radio waves with negative energy to sort of stall them or kill them or do whatever.

And I think you saw a tease of that later in the episode when Zosa pauses when she's like, you have a guest coming.

Like the energy that Nano is putting out there hurt the high for a second.

But yeah, only the body feels it.

Only the lonely.

OK, so we're where are your goosebumps?

But we don't feel it.

But this massage feels fucking good.

So then we get into more actual important information, facts that we needed to know.

We find out where they came from.

They're in a, they're looking through a telescope and she's trying to point out where they're from or where not where they're from, where the the virus came from, where this, where the RNA thing came from.

So they're pointing it out.

It's Kepler 22.

Actually, it's Kepler 22 B.

That's the planet where it came from.

We don't know a lot about it, but we think it might be a whole ocean.

We're not sure we're we're, we're trying to picture it.

We just know it's home.

Kyle's like, not sure I'm looking at the right spot.

I can't seem to find it.

I I'm just seeing a lot of lights.

And then Zocia does a pimp manipulation flirt moment.

She like shut like some kind of wonderful Eric Stoltz move where she just shuts off the where he's having on a date with Amanda Jones and he shuts off the lights.

She shuts off the lights to the city and everything glows in this very interesting dark red kind of vibe.

And now she can find it.

She can see it, and she's happy.

She asked what the people are like on Kepler 22 B, and she said and, and so she was like, well, they're too far away.

We're never going to really know too much about them, but we know that we love them and we know we have to pay it forward the gifts that they give us and spread our dirty disease to multiple worlds.

And Carol's like multiple.

You mean like out there in space?

We need to we need to assimilate this entire planet and move on to the next planet.

Isn't that wonderful?

OK.

But again, they straight out a minute.

I love how confident this damn.

Like this is the the most confident hive ever.

You know, they're just like, I mean, yeah, the Borg.

You're pretty confident.

Resistance is futile.

You, you cannot, you cannot stop us.

We will take all of your everything you have as a joke, but they're basically and they're basically copycatting that they're but they're doing it with a smile.

You know, everything about you is going to become part of us and then we're going to go on and go on to the next planet.

Isn't that special?

And they turn into the church lady now in that special, you know, like, come on.

I would ask them to adjust my back like a chiropractor.

They would have all the best chiropractors in the world.

The whole world smoked a cigarette after they were done.

Ian says Kepler 22 B is an exoplanet orbiting within a habitable zone of the sun, like star Kepler 22.

It's located about 640 light years away from Earth in the constellation Syngidness, Sagidness, sagidness.

Ian, thank you so much for that factual information about this place that we know that there's weird octopus like creature likes there's Zoibergs.

Well, I'm going to say it's a planet of Zoibergs that have sent this virus, like a crustacean planet of Zoibergs.

I think that's probably the most logical thing of who sent this virus.

We will die, but the radio waves will live on, especially once they build that tower of the antenna that they need to build Edward, which is the goal.

Use all the human power you can, all the energy you can to build that tower, to make the connection, to create the synaptic sense state or whatever, to create the create the all the planets line up and all the, you know, the antennas connect into a thing that like a fence, whatever, you know, like a fence of manipulation that sends throughout the universe and sends this message to every corner of space.

I'm sorry.

That's Doctor Zoeberg to you.

I'm guessing this is definitely a planet of of crustaceans.

OK, so, yeah, Carol's in all that space.

OK, so then we caught and, oh, thank you so much, texter.

And they're building a giant antenna and they're using all the power in the world to send a signal to Kepler 22B.

How?

And the music at this particular point in the episode, the only way I can describe it is defeat.

It sounds like Carol is just an ultimate defeat.

Like she's ultimate adapt adaptation.

She's been adapted to the Hive and she's OK.

I am involved.

Just the way the music sounded in this moment just very much felt like it was Carol surrendering, Heather says.

I give get big Expanse vibes about the virus.

It's a self preserving signal sent out to everywhere and then it adapts to the planet it lands on.

Very cool.

And I feel like this was out of every episode that we've had so far, this was the most, this is the most science fiction episode that we've had so far.

This is the one that feels the most like it's embracing its science fiction roots.

I mean, we've seen other elements.

Obviously, this whole thing is is elements of science fiction.

But this episode felt very science fiction to me in a really great way.

Like, like, they were finally.

OK, let me write it on my T-shirt.

We're full on science fiction.

Are there ads in the live chat?

Oh my God, I'm so sorry you don't realize there and that, believe me, that's not my choice.

So she asks for a favor.

She asks for oh, so she runs home and she goes, she starts working on her board again and, and writing some stuff down and she's resigned to this world and she her, her pen runs out of ink.

Oh, she's oh, she writes on the board.

They are building a giant antenna and want to use all the power in the world to send a signal to Kepler 22 BI didn't I misread my notes there?

She writes on the board that and then she starts to write how?

But she runs out of ink, and the music in the scene sets up like a defeatist, sort of like she's trying to fight her last breath to be able to stay engaged in trying to stop these things.

But she calls up, and we don't get the Howard message.

We actually, you know, no more Howard Hamlin hotline, unfortunately.

And she asks for more Sharpies, and they ask her if she's writing again.

And.

And Carol's like, what?

Oh.

Why, Caro?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.

That's what I'm doing.

And Zocia in the hive light up like, Oh my God, you're writing again, Carol, a new Y Carryo book.

We love your writing.

And she's like, and then people in the background go, congratulations on writing again, Carol.

She comes inside.

She looks at her notes for her new book, her new Y Carryo book, which now because of what Heather's saying, I really want to go back and look at and see what it said.

I was ignoring it in that moment.

And she slides it away and she picks up her murder board again.

She finishes her thought.

So we go to another date between Zocia and Carol.

They're playing croquet and Zocia's kicking her ass.

And we talk about something that I talked about last week about musical instruments and muscle memory.

And Carol is like, do you all share, share muscle memory?

Like, like, am I fighting the greatest crochet players, croquet, crochet croquet players of all time?

Do you have the muscle memory of all those people or are you just Zocia with the knowledge of it?

And, and she's like, well, I'm kicking your butt and well, I'm going to kick 7 million people's butt.

And then you have this flirty game back and forth.

But I do think it's funny that they mentioned that, which is something we were talking about here last week about the muscle memory thing.

So they ask.

She asks Carol and this is when again the hive gets more proactive in their manipulation.

She asked her what was the best day you've ever had writing and she goes.

That's a weird fucking question.

That's a awful question to ask a writer.

You mean, what day did I not want to kill myself while I was opening up my veins from my art?

OK, George RR Martin, poor tortured artist.

Why are you asking?

So she brings her to an old restaurant where she used to write like her first book, it's been closed for years.

They have an awkward sort of old date where they talk about her writing and about her nightmare like folder that she used to bring in there and the waitress used to let her just work on her stuff all day long and not bother her about it.

This was her happy place, and days that she worked here were her best days writing.

And her waitress was awesome.

And then she turned and that waitress is right there.

And she's like in the music suddenly changes.

It gets boom, boom.

It gets a little weird as we start focusing on what's really happening here.

And Carol goes, wait, this place burned down?

You rebuilt it?

What?

And she's like, I miss all those days.

But she goes quiet and.

And Zosha's like, is everything OK?

And Carol's like, the fuck this?

The music changes.

And she heads out of there and she drives home and starts drinking alone.

Zosha drives up to her and she's like, what's up, you know, are you doing OK?

And Carol's like, I'm doing fucking peachy.

And Zosha's like, oh, sarcasm, That's good.

Sounds like me talking to somebody.

Is that sarcasm, Phil?

Yes.

You're a fucking asshole.

Excuse me?

Thank goodness for the cough button.

So they talk and everything is peachy, you know, sarcastically speaking.

She asks Zoja if she wants a drink and Zoja's like if you want me to drink.

No, no, no, no.

Do do you want to drink?

Does Zoja want to drink?

No.

Will it kill you to say the words I?

And she goes, well, well, I I I I've.

This was a fun sort of moment where Zosia's having trouble saying it and she's like, well, I, we, we have trouble.

I it just feels very odd to say I weed.

And Carol has a funny line where he goes all the brains of the world.

You can't figure out the goddamn pronoun game funny line.

So she asked her where the waitress was living on joining day.

And she's really recently moved far.

She moved far away.

She was recently engaged, yada yada yada.

Carol's like, so you moved your back here to do some weird fucking waitress theater.

Like, what the hell?

And you rebuilt that place.

That's weird.

It's fucking weird.

We're just trying to make you happy, Carol.

What's hurting you?

And you're hurting me because you're trying to distract me.

You're manipulating me.

You're, you're, you've got this extra joy for my writing.

You're, you're, you're telling me I'm awesome.

It's manipulative.

It's manipulative bullshit.

And fucking stop it because you know I won't give up.

You know I won't give up, right?

And Zosia's like, I know, I know you won't give up, but we love, but we really do love Ycario.

And Carol says, says I like a lot about what's going on with you guys, but it's all fucking bullshit.

You know I like you.

You can, but you're fucking psychos.

You can't pick apples, you can't eat, you're useless.

You know, like some of the shared consciousness stuff's OK, but you're manipulative, idiotic fucking species.

What the fuck?

Even if it means I'm alone forever, I can never deal and embrace you people.

And just as she's about to leave and just tell her to fuck off, Zosha grabs her and kisses her.

Carol stops, looks back, and then they make out hard, like they she leads into it.

It's it's the completely feeding into the emotion.

I talked about it last week where you're getting that, that sense of completion or like all the emotion coming together at once.

And it really took place here in this moment too.

They kiss and they have sex and I owe Tony cash.

No, I don't know Tony Cash, but I owe Tony Tony some some props.

And Carol is writing again the next morning.

She has chapter 1 done of the new Icario book.

She wrote it and they're talking about it and talk about the book.

It's all fun talk.

She loves it, she loves it.

Then we flash to 60 days later and they're just a full on couple.

They're having breakfast, they're making omelets, they're having favorite food, they're joking about mango ice cream.

Good.

Having a good discussion.

It's beautiful, it's wonderful.

They're sharing moments, it's happiness.

And then suddenly Zosia stops like this.

You have a guest coming, and then we flash over to Mono, who's bandaging himself up, gets in the ambulance and drives towards Carroll to arrive next episode.

And that is our episode of Pluribus.

Wow.

Again, this was one of my favorite, if not my favorite of all the episodes of the season.

I think each episode just keeps getting better and better in the world, keeps opening up more and more.

And that's the best part about this.

Just no matter what the we keep finding out and figuring out more about this particular world and it keeps expanding and they keep giving us more answers, not asking more questions.

Yes, there's more questions that organically come up over time, but for the most part, I think what this show has done is set up stuff this season and almost answered every question you would possibly have, at least for me.

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We'll wrap this up in.

This is a short week.

I'll be back on Tuesday night at 10:30 PM to talk about the season finale.

We try to bring a guest on with me on Tuesday night.

I got to see if he's available but I will find out soon.

He did say be available but that was when I thought it was on Christmas night.

So I have to make sure that he has Christmas Eve off.

So I don't want to keep them up late on on Tuesday night.

But I I will definitely be here alone on Tuesday evening for the finale.

But I will be working to try to get us a guest to join us.

So let's get into the live chat Went, yeah, went from 43 to 60 days that they're together in a kind of couple mode, which really showed how much Carol has been ingrained into this.

And when Mono shows up, how much it is going to be for her to give up to go back to the other situation in Mexico border right across the way since they helped Manos, but they didn't change try to change him.

I think there may be a little bit more trusting with Carol.

I I think so as well that could that could be possibly be a situation.

Let's see.

I think we have a call area code 626.

Welcome to the show.

What's your name, where you're calling from, and what's your question or comment?

What's up, Phil?

It's.

Johnny Maker again.

Hey, Johnny Maker, great to hear from you buddy.

What's up my friend?

I can't see all these crazy theories that Social was pregnant with Carol's baby.

Yeah, Yeah, I saw that.

You hear about that?

I did.

I think that's.

Did he got like her frozen eggs and fertilized in the front of the social?

Like where the hell do they get that?

From I don't know, I think, I think a lot of it came from the image of Zosa when she showed up the end of the last episode.

She was wearing like a bigger, baggier sweater.

So people are like, she looks pregnant.

She's pregnant.

They got a baby bomb.

Yeah, and then they were saying she maybe she got pregnant by Diabadi's like the, the the Air Force One guy like got her pregnant or something like that.

Like there was like every theory in their mother that, yeah, it's Kumba, but it was like that he's pregnant, he made her pregnant or stuff like that.

It's Kabad, you know, it's, it's I think it was just like the wind blowing in the way her shirt was sitting.

But I think that's a credit to this show and how everyone's looking for every little thing to try to pick some piece of kernel up to be like, oh, yeah, see, see, she's pregnant.

I figured it out.

She's pregnant.

Yeah, everybody has a damn conspiracy theory.

It's true, it's true.

But then for every situation like that, I was fucking wrong and Tony was right, they totally didn't have sex.

Yeah, what?

That was kind of obvious from the beginning, like.

I know I feel so stupid, I just didn't think it was going to happen so soon.

Yeah, you didn't have to be crafting to figure it out how.

I know.

I feel so stupid.

I don't know if you were in the stream the other night, but I feel so stupid.

I was like, I was like no way, no way it's happening.

No freaking way it's happening.

I just didn't think it was going to happen.

I said she wanted the pluribusy.

You know the guy had the pluribusy.

Exactly.

She can't be alone that long with honey, pluribusy.

I know, especially when especially when someone looks like your dream woman.

It's like if someone designed someone to look like Marissa Tomei and knocked on my door.

It's not like I could say no.

I wouldn't say no to her either.

No.

Who would?

Yeah, we've said a thing for her since that one movie from the Beverly Hills.

Yep, Yep.

My My Cousin Vinny, too, was fun.

Great, you know.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah, you bland.

Yeah, you boys of God.

Everybody knows what it's like getting stuck in the mud in in Alabama anyway.

Anyways, John David.

Famous for our mud.

Yeah, exactly.

You're the best, my friend.

Thank you so much.

Hey, Maker.

All right.

Wait, wait, I always wanted to say this to you.

Yep.

You're wicked smart.

Oh, you're wicked smart too, dude.

You're like an awesome dude.

No, I'm retarded.

Dude, you're like an awesome dude fuck like an A man John a maker the best great to call it great call my friend and anyone else who wants to call in please do 781-990-8509.

Thank you to everyone that's been calling in tonight.

You guys are incredible or calling in all season.

You guys are incredible and I'm looking in my spam no spam spam.

You have spam yes, that is that it's difficult to me that she even is Aunt May Zosa just drank 4 cartoons of human milk.

But that's the thing, I have a question.

If they're living together essentially for from day 43 to day 60, they're dating.

We see Carol making her breakfasts and stuff like that.

Is Zosha not eating, not drinking HDP?

Because Carol's making her food?

She's picking apples for her.

She's like, is HDP only for the mass members of the hive, the people that have the chaperones of the individuals?

Are the individuals probably preparing food for them so they don't have to eat HTP?

I know that seems like a trivial thing, but I'm wondering.

It seems like she's probably living with Carol and Carol's sharing her food.

And if they order the food for Carol and Carol's getting her food and making food, making eggs, plucking apples, doing whatever she has to do, she can give it to Zocia after the fact.

No, Joe's 1998 Windows PC has crashed.

That's why he isn't here.

Yeah, No way She's drinking that shit at Carol's house, Kate.

Like there's no, there's no chance.

Like Carol would not be kissing her if she was if she was drinking that shit in front of her.

So it's got to be that Carol's been cooking for her this whole time.

At least that's what I'm assuming here.

Carol said make some for you 2 or something to the effect in the AM.

OK, that makes sense.

Zoysia in Carol's dress in the last episode would be fire.

Yes, that would that the actually I have that as the thumbnail of this this particular episode.

I end up using a picture from the previous episode for the thumbnail of the next episode because they don't release any high high definition pre episode images because Vince's what I like about the way that they produce things is they're very vague in trailers.

They're very vague in descriptions for episodes and they don't give you a lot and they let you actually experience it for the first time, which is what I miss about a lot of movies and television where the trailer or descriptions basically tell you the whole thing that's going to happen.

Vince, I think they were at peak during the final season.

The Better Call Saul with this where the description of what happens is Saul learn something.

You know, Jimmy talks like that's the whole description.

And then the preview image for that would just be like like like a hammer feel like where it says Jimmy learns like what?

And pluribus is kind of adopting that.

Maybe taking it a step further down the road of a little bit more information, but I enjoy the vagary of it all.

I wish mono was wasn't such a miserable guy.

Imagine going from hanging out with Zot with Zotia to a guy like that.

Yikes.

That is going to be an awful, quick, awful tough turn.

Like when he's trying to sell himself in this next episode, like, like ditch her and let's go with me and let's eat dog food and save the world.

It's going to be a tough sell, especially when he's calling her like a calling her a, like a Mari Cohen or some shit like that.

Yeah, 17 days together, not drinking that milk now does that.

By not drinking the milk being different, is there a case to be made that by spending time away from no, because she's still part of the hive, but spending time directly with Carol, not eating the same things, doing different things, having a steady sexual relationship and massages and all this stuff individualizes her enough that she's separate from the collective.

No, it just means she's a fucking great manipulator.

If the collective goes, something happens that needs every member of the collective to join together to start working on the some sort of tactic or some sort of building aspect of the antenna.

Then Zocia would go like that.

So she would be have her arms around Carol, like love you, you know, blah blah blah blah.

Goodbye Carol and walk away.

That's how much actual loyalty she probably has towards Carol.

It's 100% of manipulation.

There's no caring here.

From Zosia's standpoint.

The I love you, we love you all, he, she loves Carol just as much as she loves any human.

Anyone she wishes, she's trying to get to turn to their side.

There's no actual love there, not in my mind.

I think Joe would be very much like Manos in this world, not dealing with them very, very mean.

Calling his family members motherfuckers.

Get out of my fucking face.

You're not Phil anymore.

I will kill you now.

I do.

I've said it before.

I would my personality would probably make me like Carol.

I would be all tough speaking like I'm I don't need anything.

I'm fine.

I'm OK.

I'm alone.

I'm the best.

I'm I'm going to be OK.

And then isolate myself too long and be easy pickings for manipulation.

And that's the state she's in.

But will Mano shake her out of that?

That's the question that we have to ask going into the finale.

Because it's not a matter if they will meet.

They're going to meet in the finale.

And what is going to happen when these fireworks happen?

What is going to happen when these fireworks?

What is going to happen when they meet together?

Fireworks.

That's what I meant to say.

And I don't think Mano is going to appreciate one bit this relationship.

I thought it was going to be more hinted at and more the developments of a romantic relationship.

But the straight up romantic relationship, sexual relationship that the two of them have, he's not going to be OK with this.

And I don't think he's going to try to kill her.

But I think it's going to get intense and he's going to make her make Carol choose between accepting the gifts and the what the hive can offer.

Or let's take what you've written on this board and let's try to figure this out together and stop this.

What will Carol choose?

Who will get hurt?

All this and more on next week.

But yeah, I mean, it's leading us into the finale with a big giant meatball hanging on a toothpick that's about to break.

And I'm excited.

I'm excited to see where it takes us, where it ends this point, this season, when we're going to have to wait fucking two years or a year and a half for another for an answer.

Is it going to be a big cliffhanger?

Is it going to be a satisfying point where we're sort of at a certain section of of a plateau?

Does it end with her choosing Mano, choosing Zocia, one of them dying, Mano being stopped, Mano saying fuck you Carol and going off and leaving Carol with Zocia, Zocia convincing Carol to want to join the hive, and then her sitting down and getting ready for the operation.

But somehow it doesn't work for next season.

What do you guys in the live chat and you're listening to this podcast?

Leave a comment.

I know some of you that are listening can leave comments.

I've seen your comments before, especially the hate hateful Joe ones.

So leave your comments.

What do you think is going to be happening in the season finale?

I'm very curious.

Let's go to our poll.

Our poll with 33 votes, Manos tries to kill Zocia, 76% of the people say that happens.

Carol tries to kill Mano, 24%.

So most of you that have voted thinks think that Mano is going to try to kill Zocia.

I tend to agree.

He is going to try in some way, shape or form, fashion tactic, try to sever the relationship between Carole and Zocia.

He's not going to like it.

He's going to see it for what it is, the total manipulation, and he's going to try to.

Rationalize to her first and that's probably not going to work.

And it's going to tension is going to rise.

The stakes are going to be very high.

As Daryl says, I don't know why Mino is going to try to kill Zocia, but he will.

Yeah.

Like, I don't know why it was going to happen.

I don't know exactly how it's, but I think it's going to happen.

I think they I think someone's going to die or be close to getting killed.

Although Zoci has almost died how many times this season is it 3?

She probably is going to survive again.

She's like fucking Kenny.

You tried to kill Zocia you bastard.

It's going to end with all of us screaming fuck.

I do think you're fucking 100% right about that.

Kate says.

I believe that the Zocia Carroll relationship will last longer than just one episode.

They established it.

Is there a way of Carol maintaining this relationship with Zocia while still simultaneously working with Mono to try to solve this?

Is there a way of her and Zocia actually convincing Mono to use it more?

Like softening his heart manipulating him at all?

I don't think so, but I do think Carol is not going to be unmotivated by him.

I think when he shows up, she is going to be reinvigorated with her urge to stop this.

But also she's in a situation where if she stops this, she loses Zocia and now she cares more than she should.

So it definitely creates a lot of interesting parallels.

I don't know if it's going to be as simple as murder, death, kill, but I also somehow think someone's going to end up dead.

But what's interesting is both these characters almost ended up dead before earlier in the season.

Usually if a character almost dies early in the season, it's not likely to have them die later.

So we could just get something more darker and more interesting than I'm imagining.

But I do think there's going to be some sort of ultimatum going on.

Let's go into the chat.

It's not a coincidence that they created a relationship right before Manos arrives.

Absolutely, Ian.

It's not a coincidence that they set all this up in motion right before he arrives and the next episode is called The Woman of the World.

So yeah, I think, I think it's clear what's going to be happening in the next episode as an overall idea.

How it's going to be manifested into actual visual representation on screen is yet to be determined.

Kate, they had sex.

Now it's time for Zocia to tie since Darrow Molly says people are nuts talking about murder.

Good Lord.

Either he's a Catholic trying to help people or he's just a psycho.

I don't think it's about him murdering people.

It's about him being so frustrated with the manipulation of the world and seeing all of this that he sees all of these people as victims and he's saving them by killing them.

To go to your words, the second-half, I think, I think you answered your own point there a little bit.

Like, I think in his mind, if we're saying he's going to kill people or want to murder people, murder people, it's because he's trying to save them.

I think once he knows that there's a possible cure, I don't think he'll ever think about wanting to kill these things.

And he didn't in any situation we've seen him in, he hasn't killed.

But I do think he does have a sense of if I put you out of your misery, I'm saving you.

The torture you're in is worse than living, worse than dying.

I mean, so I don't necessarily think it's, oh, he's a psycho, he wants to kill people.

I think it's more that's the way he wants to save them.

At least that's how I'm sort of interpreting in myself or what I mean when I say murder right there.

And that's also what I mean when I he's not going to be a murder bot.

I think it's going to be like accidentally killing while trying to save in a weird way.

Oh, we got the we got cause in the live chat.

Great to see you 'cause we've got the amazing coconuts in the live chat.

Carol is going to get a air full on her poor romantic choices.

Absolutely.

At minimum she's going to get a firm talking to about her her choice of partner.

He already watched the episode.

In the stream, we talked about the episode First time in Albuquerque, 2 in Albuquerque, 2IN first time in Albuquerque, 2 in Spain, three hand grenade, 4 truth term.

Oh, how many times she died?

She almost died.

Thank you.

One time in Albuquerque, two time was in Spain, Third time hand grenade, 4th time truth term.

The title says live reaction.

Oh, Lucas.

Sorry.

Yeah, it's it's my live reaction to having just watched the episode.

Yeah, but I know what you're saying.

This isn't a I'm watching it live and reacting to it in the same in the same moment.

So sorry about that AA Lucas, if you were confused with with with what's going on.

If I do one of those things that I usually call it a live watch or a live commentary.

This is more a reaction like this is my live reaction right after I watched it.

So sorry about the confusion but is awesome to have you here.

Though I can see the final moments of the episodes being Mano's killing Zosha, maybe Zosha attacking Carol for some reason and Mano saves her.

Interesting.

I could also see a point in time where Zosha's killed somehow by Mano accidentally, Carol's left alone because she sends him off because of what happened, and then he she tries to join the hive but somehow it doesn't work.

Like in the season ends with her going being like change me but I don't know.

There's a lot of really fun stuff to analyze and think about between now and early week.

Again, if you haven't heard already, the new episode will be airing on Wednesday, which is

Tuesday at 9:00 PM.

So we will be live on Tuesday

night at 10:30 PM.

Heather says there is so much BSG homage.

There really is.

There's so much classic sci-fi homage in this series.

There's, there's, I can't count how many Star Trek references Battlestar Galactica.

Someone mentioned The Expanse earlier.

It might have been you as well, Heather.

There is we we heard the matrix references a couple made the whole thing could be viewed as some way as some Matrix analogy analogy compared to like that Joey Pants scene that I've talked about many times.

Like you want to take the blue pill, the red pill live in this world where they're giving you everything you want or not.

There's so many ties into classic science fiction that it's really incredible the way that they interway, inter have have interwoven so many different styles and elements of science fiction energy into the series.

You can tell so much care and concern and attention to detail has been placed into the series.

Next live stream is again

Tuesday night at 10:30 PM Eastern Time.

If you're listening to the audio cast and you want to join us for the finale, please do.

But if not and you have a question or comment, e-mail me at igotissuesman@gmail.com or the issues guy@gmail.com.

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Yes, a little bit of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, a little bit of a lot of cool things.

We've got the amazing Real Cinema Therapy in the live chat.

If you haven't already, make sure you check out Real Cinema therapies, breakdowns of the episodes, really awesome stuff.

And in the offseason, I'm going to, we're going to, we're going to do a little live stream with Real Cinema Therapy and get some fun discussion and breakdown and talk about some Pluribus stuff and include that as a bonus episode in our podcasting feed as well.

And maybe I'll jump over there as well with her and join the fun.

So we're going to keep these Pluribus discussions going.

It's going to be a fun week, shorten week discussing this.

Make sure you check out all the discussions, all the breakdowns about this episode, because this was a good one.

And I'm curious about your thoughts going into the finale.

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Oh no, it was nothing.

I was like, wait a second, Is this another Captain's chair?

Is this another recap?

No, it's not a recap.

It is.

We don't have to wait a week.

I'll be back on Tuesday night.

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What do you do in the podcast?

Give me the ratings, give me the thing, say hello.

But no.

I appreciate all your support all season.

It's been an amazing season on the podcast and I hope you guys we will be back on Tuesday evening.

I will definitely be back alone.

I might have a special guest doing the recap with me, but we will see.

But if not, I have lots of offseason fun for you guys.

Anyways, talk to you next time.