Sir Daniel: Gotta love it.

Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

I'm dj Sir Daniel, I,

Jay Ray: and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

I have a cold, sir Daniel.

Sir Daniel: was gonna say, what is this bedroom voice?

What are we doing here?

Are we trying

Jay Ray: give

Sir Daniel: to

Jay Ray: to the people.

Yes.

Sir Daniel: whole different audience?

Jay Ray: We want the, the quiet storm audience should be listening to Queue Points.

Welcome to Queue Points,

Sir Daniel: Shout out to, um, to Brother Melvin.

Um, Lindsey, yes, for pioneering the quiet storm and to Jay Ray, Johnnie Ray Kornegay III, picking up the mantle and doing his thing on this episode.

Jay Ray, I gotta say though, we, we are about to get into it, but before we get into the discussion at hand, I just gotta say, between this administration wanting to erase, you know, black history and black culture and the antics of said black culture keepers and creators,

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: I feel like the future of specifically black music and the heritage of black music is in clear and immediate danger

Jay Ray: because

Sir Daniel: the things that we're about to discuss during this episode.

Jay Ray: That's fair.

Uh, that's fair.

But I also think that's why we exist and that's why we need to have this conversation because we are going to write this ship here in Queue Points land.

But I do, I I agree with you.

I think if we let things slide the way things have been going,

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: we are in danger of one losing all the recipes.

Of course we have to talk about the fact that, uh, the Diddy documentary happened.

So both

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: and I, watched 'Sean Combs: The Reckoning'

Sir Daniel: On the.

Jay Ray: and, and, and what.

Was very, and we've, we've said this on the show, but the, the documentary, uh, did a wonderful job of weaving together, sir Daniel, which is what is essentially our teenage years, right?

The years that we kind of were formulating, um, you know, our musical gaining our musical knowledge, formulating our tastes, and all of these things were the same years that, uh, one Sean Combs was kind of ascending into his, uh, his business career, his music career, et cetera.

And this documentary, does a really good job of telling, blending conspiracy with truth.

You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel: You gotta say that.

Yes.

Jay Ray: know, it's, it's, it's like a little bit of.

I see what you're doing there.

We don't know that that's factual.

It's a thing a lot of people say, but I guess that is the mark of a good documentary is that you kind of, you have to suck the people in and sometimes you have to suck the people in with what the people be thinking.

Sir Daniel: Right.

Uh, and yes, yes to everything that you said, documentaries, and we all know I love a good documentary.

Um, documentaries also have to be entertaining.

You

Jay Ray: They do,

Sir Daniel: know, they have to be entertaining and, you know, fact or fiction, sometimes

Jay Ray: a

Sir Daniel: a lie.

And Charlemagne, the God has always said this fact or fiction a lie is always almost more entertaining than the truth.

So that had, so with that being said, I gotta say that yes, I agree that the, the documentary itself was well, well put together.

Um, IF found it very fascinating and you found it fascinating as well that the documentarian, including the executive producer Curtis, um,

Jay Ray: mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: did a miraculous job of finding all of this footage and literally having.

The, um, subject, tell this whole story, tell on himself, basically with their own footage, which I thought was very wild.

And, and as we're seeing in the, in the past few days that a lot of cease and desists are coming out, a lot of, uh, you don't have my permission, um, talk is happening and a lot of people are upset about being included in this documentary.

And we'll get to that part later on in the conversation because 50 cent is part of the bigger conversation that we're having here, and it's, it's kind of ridiculous.

So I will say.

I was not pressed to see this documentary at first Jay Ray, only because to this date, Jay Ray there are close to 10 docuseries already about, or dedicated to deconstructing the life and career of Sean Diddy Combs.

There's almost 10 of them already.

It's kind of like the, um, when r Kelly, when the r Kelly Mix tapes dropped, the doctors,

Jay Ray: r

Sir Daniel: I call them mix tapes, you know, there just seems to be an another one popping up everybody wants, is chopping at the bit to tell this story.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: And I mean, at first I was like, there's not a whole lot here that I can learn or that I'm going to glean from this, but I did find.

First thing I wanna say, Sean Combs, when you find those children be like, Hmm, that's not a good looking kid.

But maybe when they grow into their face or they grow into their looks, he's definitely one of those people because those early, um, the early years when he was dancing in the, uh, Stacey Lattisaw video and whatnot, it was like he was so skinny

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: and that face was, it almost looked cartoonlike to see that he, how he's grown into the, um, face that he, that he has now, and to grow into the body that he has now.

It was kind of weird, but it was so funny to it.

Just one of those things I was like, that was not a good looking young man when he was on the come up.

Jay Ray: So I think this is actually a very interesting point, and I loved, so to going back.

I

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: I didn't watch any of the other documentaries.

Sir Daniel: Okay.

Jay Ray: why, I all, you know why?

I do know why, because I felt like they was too soon.

I was like, I felt like all of these other documentaries came out and it was really too soon and I couldn't, I was like, eh, I'm just gonna avoid it.

So I never saw any of 'em, like none of 'em.

Right.

So I found interesting to the point of talking about the look and, um, I think it was Kirk Burrows who talked about this, who was like, no, no, no, no.

Like I watched Sean be made into cool.

Sir Daniel: Yes.

Yes.

Jay Ray: you know, he had the drive.

Clearly, if there's one thing we know about about Diddy is that he's always had the drive to be like a businessman and has always wanted to be in front of the camera.

God bless him.

That man has never met a camera he ain't wanna be in front of.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: he was also kind of a dork.

Sir Daniel: Yeah,

Jay Ray: I mean?

He was also kind of a dork.

so to study to, to, to, to watch Diddy in that era, that Stacey Lattisaw video, it was hilarious to watch him go from that to be a little cooler in the Finesse Sinis video to be like a little cooler by the time he starts hosting these parties where you're like incrementally getting cooler.

And I feel like the weird part that you're seeing is Diddy is picking up.

Point pieces from people as he goes along.

So as he's moving, he's picking up pieces.

Sir Daniel: I am so glad you said that because it made me think of this theory of that.

There's a old, um, Angelina Jolie movie.

She plays a detective or something, and she's chasing down the serial killer and she calls them a hermit crab.

The, and the her, and the reason why she calls him a hermit crab or is that he.

Just, um, what a hermit crab does, it always sheds its shell

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: and it's always looking for something to, um, something new to put his body into or to put onto some armor to put onto it.

And that is exactly what Sean Combs is.

Sean Combs is, is one of those personalities, uh, personality types that likes to take on.

He sees something that, and he covets it and he wants to be it so bad to the point where he will, um, take on the characteristics and become the thing that he's trying that he covets.

Jay Ray: Wow.

Sir Daniel: And so two things.

Um, I mommy issues I don't think is an can cover or describe what that young man has.

Mommy issues does not go,

Jay Ray: wow.

Sir Daniel: does not pay any justice.

And two, um.

When you, I think that when you take on other people's personalities just so that you can take what they have, that's a different kind of monster because I, that's the thing that jumped out.

Thank you.

Debauch reason in the chat, it's called Taking Lives.

That's exactly the name of the movie.

When you do that, he went so far as not only did he want your life and to be you and to have your essence right, I'll be sure he wanted to take something that you prized that was a prized possession of yours, which was Kim Porter and when

Jay Ray: what?

Sir Daniel: and if nothing else, Didi may not have ever been the best rapper.

He may have platinum albums and those things to his accolades.

But the one thing that Diddy has mastered, he's the master of the dirty macing.

Diddy is the master of dirty macing.

He'll get close to you just so that he can take your girl,

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: marry her, impregnate her, um, and, and keep her locked away because he is that needy.

He is that needy.

He is that big of a gaping hole.

Almost said pause there, but he has that much,

Jay Ray: less

Sir Daniel: he has that much just later.

He has he that much of a gaping hole in his soul that he needs to fill it with people, with, um, with and coveting the things that they already have.

And, and, and the accolades.

That's the one, that's the main thing that I took away from this, um, from this documentary and.

We see what it has done to him.

What that personality disorder.

'cause I feel like it's a personality disorder

Jay Ray: Oh

Sir Daniel: done to him.

Jay Ray: I, I, I, I agree.

I think so a couple of things I, I, I wanna, I wanna, uh, mention here, shout out to the director.

Her name is Alex Stapleton.

I believe it's Alexandra Stapleton, but she goes by Alex Stapleton.

I think Alex and team did a really good job of taking a project that could have been just like salacious for salacious sake and really did try and add some, uh, some, some, some good foundation into it to be like, no, no, no, no.

We're actually making a movie and talking about how this person existed in all of our lives.

Because real, Diddy has been a part of all of our lives, uh,

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: You know what I'm saying?

kind of the monster.

The monster of an industry that fed that ego.

So I, I think Alex definitely deserves some, some props for that.

I also wanna mention that this documentary is also a, a master class in stuff can be two things.

Sir Daniel: Hmm.

Jay Ray: can be like really talented at a thing and molding it into something that people would want to buy.

He's like, man, like he will see that talent and be like, boom, I can package this thing right here year and make it into something.

Sir Daniel: Yes.

Yes.

Jay Ray: Master of that.

And also an awful human being, you know what I'm saying?

At the exact scene, you know, like and so the other, the other piece of this is.

There would, I liked that the people who were speaking in this documentary, I don't feel like it was a hit piece.

I, I really did feel like they were actually just speaking from experience.

Like, no, this is what happened.

That as I recall it,

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: and this is what this guy was doing as I recall it, right.

And we have evidence that it was true.

So they were weaving all of the pieces together.

Like when they was talking about like, you know, how Diddy learned according to them, learned how Andre Harrell did the contracts over at Uptown and they was like, oh no, Diddy took that and did it.

Even tighter than that was like, you are never going to figure out where the money is, how your money got spent.

None of that.

Like, he tightened all of that stuff up and.

like, damn.

Like, but then you realize Diddy was learning from the OGs, the Russell

Sir Daniel: the

Jay Ray: the Andre

Sir Daniel: OG Predators,

Jay Ray: OG Predators, you

Sir Daniel: Yeah, I mean

Jay Ray: mean,

Sir Daniel: we, we've said, we have conceded that even with the growth of this culture, as we talk about hip hop with growth comes the commercial part, the money aspect.

And with the money aspect comes a lot of filth, a lot of grimy, a lot of grimy characters and grimy behavior.

And time has shown us that a lot of these people, yes, we got to see them in the limelight.

They presented a lot of, you know, champagne wishes and caviar dreams.

However, they were monsters in the background,

Jay Ray: and.

Sir Daniel: they learned it from the other monsters that have been in control of the, the music industry for, you know, for years, for decades.

And so what we, and so you kind of can't be mad at it because that is the game.

But yes, you can be mad at it because these are people that you have sole dreams to that are naturally gifted and you're exploiting their gifts because you realize what it can mean for you in the future.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: But again, that is the nature of the business.

So now, um.

You mentioned Andre Harrell, you mentioned, um, Russell Simmons.

Um, I was taken aback because I want to, um, acknowledge Joy Dickerson Neil.

Jay Ray: That was, while that segment.

That

Sir Daniel: That segment was really, um, was eye was eyeopening because I recognized, when I saw the Steady B album cover, I was like, oh, that is her.

Jay Ray: yeah.

Sir Daniel: And then Jay Ray, when they flashed to the Finesse and quiz video, I was like, that's her from the Cabrio le riding around with Diddy with the big white apple jack hat on.

And, but I gotta pause real

Jay Ray: real

Sir Daniel: one second to get to shout out Fines, essence, and quiz the si.

The title of that song for that video was Straight From the Soul.

That bar where, um, joy Dickerson shows up.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: If you listen to the lyrics, I would love to ask them.

It was like, did Didi inspire those lyrics?

Because you all are clearly talking about him.

Even though at that time, as everybody said, Didi was not into drugs, he was not into alcohol, all of those things, he kept all of those demons away from him.

He was not into that.

But that lyric of you can't talk positive and do the opposite.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: Sniff and smoke, sniff and snort, drink and drive and have your sister strip.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: And I was like, they, they were, I, they weren't maybe describing him then, but they were seeing into the future because that is exactly what he became.

If you all need to hear that song, I'm sure you could pull it up on YouTube.

I thought that was just so ironic and telling and very futuristic on the, on the, um, behalf of Finesse and Quiz to make that rhyme.

And for him to be, uh, to, to have a cameo in the video for that particular bar was just, it was not lost on me.

It might have went over some of y'all heads, but you know me, you know, I'm the, um, the female rap historian.

So those things definitely stood out to me with regards to this, um, to this, to this docuseries.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: you know, joy Dickerson was like one of the first, well, not the first, but she clearly was one of the beginning, one of the victims of the beginning of, um, revenge porn.

Jay Ray: Yeah,

Sir Daniel: You know

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: what we saw if,

Jay Ray: because

Sir Daniel: what we saw is we, we know that the reason why we have this documentary, documentary is that Diddy, um, documents everything with his, with videos.

There are videos everywhere.

There's a somebody with a camera rolling at all times.

And that was happening way back in the late eighties, early nineties.

So I can only imagine, I don't think it's far from, it's not hard to imagine that he was in fact recording

Jay Ray: people

Sir Daniel: people having sex because again, that they tie the, they tie the two together again.

Alpo, who is a, um, a Harlem legend, uh, drug dealer, like they said, Alpo would video, would record sex sessions between him and other girls and would play them in public.

And Diddy, once again, once so bad to have the clout, the kids call it clout chasing now.

He wanted that clout and that kind of reputation, so he would start doing the same things.

So it's like, you know what I could you, you sold me on that one.

I can believe this theory.

Jay Ray: You know, and so going back, so, uh, uh, uh, Kimberly, you mentioned before like, are y'all gonna make me wanna go see this documentary?

And this is why I actually think this documentary is particularly interesting and why I think Alex and Team deserve.

Kudos.

Um, because they take these pieces of and nineties, black history, New York

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: and weave them together in ways to explain potentially, right.

The theories potentially explain Diddy was doing some of the things that he was doing.

So coming with all the stuff from the history, we talk about the mom stuff, right?

Coming with all of that, the, the looming, uh, a ghost of his father, right?

And trying to live up to whatever that legacy was.

And we don't even know what the truth of that is, right?

But try to live up to that, the mommy stuff and the wanting to be cool, the wanting to be accepted, the clout, chaser, nature of who he is.

It's all in here.

And here's what's crazy about that too, is I'm, I'm watching this.

Documentary and I'm watching Diddy in present day.

'cause one, can I just, p can we just take a minute and say how I was about to say pause?

Can we just take a minute and say how crazy it is that he would be documenting all of this?

Sir Daniel: Right, because he re, he believes it's crazy, but he believes so much in himself and that he hasn't done anything wrong.

I haven't done anything wrong.

I'm just a kid from Harlem that pulled myself up by my bootstraps.

I haven't done anything wrong and the, and this is going, and I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be proven innocent and I'm gonna be victorious as I always come out victorious in these situations.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Yes.

Sir Daniel: Yes.

Jay Ray: I'm, I'm so confused.

Like I was literally confused, like, how so?

It makes me to that point.

Yes sir.

Daniel, you are absolutely right and it makes me.

the type of person who would do that.

And I don't know what that diagnosis is.

I ain't in that, I ain't sitting in that man's therapy sessions, but I'm like, what kind of person would record all of this happening to that point?

Sir Daniel: An apex predator.

Jay Ray: Oh my god.

You know what was disappointing to me?

Um, watching his boy children

Sir Daniel: Ah.

Jay Ray: young men.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: There next to him.

This is their father who's clearly not in a good state.

Like there's pieces of this documentary.

He's clearly high.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: shuffling around this hotel room like Ozzy Osborne, like slurring his words and his, you know, you have, uh, Justin and uh, Christian, uh, king Holmes.

Uh, Holmes is Christian.

I think

Sir Daniel: That is.

Jay Ray: kind of in the space with him.

And I'm like, one, I don't know who, I don't know why your sons are your best friends.

I don't understand that.

And two, why I wouldn't, I would not, I loved my dad, loved him.

We didn't hang out.

We might on occasion go out.

But we didn't hang out, you know what I'm saying?

Like, we wasn't hanging, we wasn't at the same spots, you know what I mean?

Especially doing the things that Diddy is doing.

And there were so many moments where people would be like, oh, you know, Justin and Diddy were in there.

And I'm like, in there doing what?

Like,

Sir Daniel: Yeah.

Well, again, going back to what I said in the beginning, what we saw, what, what is documented is that there are clear, there were clear boundary issues, um, in his upbringing.

Between him and his parent.

His, um, allegedly his mom exposed him to whatever, uh, hustler lifestyle she was doing because clearly she, you know, she had a lifestyle that she wanted to maintain.

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: And even in, um, after the murder of his father, she was maintaining that lifestyle.

But, and then she was doing things to, to confuse those things.

Confuse children when they're growing up.

When you assign them adult roles at a ch at a, at a very young age, those things can confuse you and you start to think that, yes, I am an adult, and that there are no.

Boundaries between adults and children.

And then, so that's what you're seeing now is that he has always had a hard time with boundaries.

That's when I don't think boundaries, I don't think boundaries and Sean Combs exist in the same sentence.

Like, and that's the thing that everybody has in common with him, is that he always violates boundaries.

And so he's violated the boundaries between parents and children.

So it doesn't shock me that you see him rolling up and passing a joint to his sons.

You know, even though some might say, that's not really a big deal.

I'll drink with my dad and I'll smoke with my dad and whatnot.

Fine.

But I'm not gonna,

Jay Ray: Yeah.

yeah, yeah,

Sir Daniel: yeah, I'm not gonna argue with you on that.

However, when it comes to allegedly, um.

You know, engaging in sexual activity with your dad.

And those are the things, those, that's pre, that is sexual assault.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: That is, um, if you were, uh, now I'm not gonna use that word, but that is a sexual assault to on, on your child when you do those things.

And again, you confuse them about those boundaries.

And I can guarantee you that those children in a couple years, those two, I think those two particular in particular are going to, something is gonna come up in the future where they're gonna get accused of violent.

Jay Ray: has

Sir Daniel: That is true.

Not, yeah.

Wait, Christian or Justin?

Both of them,

Jay Ray: Cole.

Sir Daniel: actually.

Both of them.

Jay Ray: I think

Sir Daniel: Because Justin was, Justin was well on his way to having a football career, but that got sidetracked because he, you know, he, he wanted to be Billy Badass and he got into an altercation and.

Uh, you see, he's not playing football anywhere anymore for anybody.

He's

Jay Ray: What do, what talent do?

These kids have

Sir Daniel: being, being a combs, being daddy's little.

He being daddy's little henchman.

Jay Ray: they're a Combs J right?

Sir Daniel: They're combs, they're comb, they're part of the, they're, they're part of the honeycombs, the honeycomb.

Jay Ray: Jaguar, right?

So, oh, to this, to this point actually, um, I, the other thing about this documentary that I think is really interesting, uh, people.

This is part of the reason why this show is titled Where what it is is like, uh, grow Grow to F Up.

Because people have made a lot of of jokes about the gay stuff, but I'm like, you look at this documentary and you realize like that is really a non-actor in this conversation.

Actually it means nothing to the grand scheme of things that are going on.

I don't even think, I think it may have come up like a little bit with the Kirk Borough sharing his story,

Sir Daniel: And don't forget little Rod.

Jay Ray: Little Rod.

It came up with a little ride, but really not at all.

people making a big deal out of it was so dumb.

'cause I'm like, what we've been saying is that's not even a big deal

Sir Daniel: It is not, it's really because if you understand what is behind sexual assault, sexual assault is not about pleasure or gratification.

It is strictly about power

Jay Ray: and control.

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: and control.

Sean Diddy Combs has always been, has always been, has always been about asserting power and control and he is going to do use whatever tactic

Jay Ray: tactic

Sir Daniel: is.

Um, is most, um, is available right there and then at, to, to do it with.

And if that means he's going to, you know, um, pull down your pants and drug, you pull down your pants and and do something to you while you are inebriated, he's gonna do that because he is got it recorded, because he is gonna put, hold that over your head.

Jay Ray: Jesus

Sir Daniel: not above doing any of those things because he wants to exert power and control.

So it really has absolutely nothing to do with sex and sexuality.

Um, there's nothing romantic about anything that he's done.

And before we move on to the, to this, to that section Jay Ray, 'cause I know where we're going with this.

I do want to say, we talked about the whole Cassie situation and the one thing that that resonated with me throughout this whole thing is when Cassie, um, ran into Kalina.

A backstage at that bad boy reunion and Kaleena was pregnant and Cassie was like, see, that's what I'm talking about.

That is what I want.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: want that.

Cassie wanted desperately growing into a woman, wanted desperately to be a mother,

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: and I had always said, J Ray, when they were to, when we had no idea what was going on, I just kept saying to myself, I really can't believe that he has not knocked her up like he is not

Jay Ray: knocking a heed, like walk past a woman as she

Sir Daniel: as they get pregnant and twins, he has the capacity to have twins and everything.

And I said, Hmm.

He never got her pregnant.

And all that said to, that was divine intervention.

To me, that was completely divine intervention because as soon as she was free from that man and got married and got into a safe and loving relationship, boom.

Pregnant right then, right off the.

I was like, you can't tell me that that wasn't divine intervention.

So, you know, I just, and one other thing that we have to talk about that was very, um, made implicit with this docuseries is the willingness of people at all, um, at all eras of his career.

The willingness of people to go along with what's happening and turn a blind eye

Jay Ray: because

Sir Daniel: because there's, I guess there's this, there's this, I.

Hypnosis that comes along with being in the power, in the proximity of power or perceived power that a lot of people have.

And I've seen it in person IJ Ray.

Ooh, such a great example.

There's a, a legendary radio announcer here in Atlanta

Jay Ray: that,

Sir Daniel: that, um, was present at an event that Diddy used to have called Think Big,

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: Diddy, of course, was being real Hollywood and did not show up to the event when he said he was, he was fashionably late, this legendary, um, radio announcer, um, did the thing, made his announcements and was like, looked at his watch and was like, huh,

Jay Ray: like,

Sir Daniel: Diddy don't know.

Diddy don't know who he dealing with.

I, you know, I run Atlanta.

I'm about to be outta here.

I got things to do.

But, and he literally was told everybody, I'll see you all later.

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: And started walking to his car.

Don't you know when those limos pulled up, like it was a scene outta coming to America when the limos pulled up, that grown man made up Beline from the car, from his car way off in the parking lot and pumped on back over to where we were when he saw, um, Sean Diddy Combs come out and hopped in there and was, you know, Sam, Sam bowing and

Jay Ray: building.

Sir Daniel: did, yeah.

Hey y'all, you know Diddy in the building?

Remember that scene of waiting to exhale when Robin came through with that crack head to the party with all the white people?

That's how he was acting when Diddy showed up and he was just all over the place.

Like, I mean, it was really fascinating to witness in real time what star power, and I'm putting up air quotes.

Jay Ray: Hmm.

Sir Daniel: Can make people do.

But I said all of that to say that the proximity to power is super dangerous.

I think, I guess it's very intoxicating and will have people doing things that they wouldn't necessarily do because I, we hear things about this current administration that people, for whatever reason, when they get into the, this current president's um, uh, area, when they get around him, they, for whatever reason, they start kowtowing to him.

And it's embarrassing from what I understand.

And they start wanting to, they feel like I'm going to get some power just being in your presence.

And I said all that to say that that is such a dangerous thing because so many people got hurt because so many people turned a blind eye

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: and, and saw things that happened and were too scared or didn't feel like they had enough power to do anything, which continued to make this, um, this monster.

Grow to be the person he is.

Jay Ray: you know what?

That is actually a perfect segue into, I think this is a good place to.

Talk about 50 cent.

two things.

First thing is, I hate that white people call him 50 cent.

I think that's stupid.

Okay?

They keep doing it and we're here with 50 cent.

That is not it.

It's just 50 cent.

It's fine.

Sir Daniel: that's right up there.

We're calling Atlanta A TL

Jay Ray: A

Sir Daniel: or Hot.

Jay Ray: or Hot Atlanta.

Um, SO'S thing number one.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: Thing number two is there's 50 is not a benevolent figure.

You know what I'm saying?

Like by any means, and I think it is wild.

So when you talk about feeding a monster, right?

Ah.

It is crazy to know that this man made this documentary because he could, more importantly, he made it because he really hates Diddy.

Like, he just is like, listen, I not only have the power to do this, have the desire to do this.

that is weird to have that kind of desire fed, even though Alex did a great job with creating this, I think they took a subject that could have been, uh, uh, salacious and made it into something that is compelling.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: you know, the man did this because he hates him.

Sir Daniel: At the root of it.

This man, I mean, pe Petty, petty doesn't begin to encapsulate Curtis 50 cent Jackson.

And I mean, he is self-proclaimed.

He is self-proclaimed, petty, the king of petty.

Jay Ray: He,

Sir Daniel: He, he does not mind, um, saying that he is petty and he does.

And he told us years ago that if, if we got beef, we got beef forever, it's, it's up and it's stuck.

He, um, because he and I, that's a great, um, that is a great point.

Ko said that 50 low key should be called the finisher with how he buries careers.

He, it, it, it becomes his, it becomes his job to make sure that you are penniless with no friends.

Jay Ray: friends.

Sir Daniel: With not even a shirt on your back.

It is his job.

Now, we, us Queue Points started off this conversation about the documentary because it's in the zeitgeist and it's stuff that we needed to, to discuss, but as you said, at the root of it all, this all has come about because of homophobia and perceived this homophobia on the, on the,

Jay Ray: the, on the

Sir Daniel: the part of Curtis because he perceived that, um, Diddy was inviting him on, wanted to take him on a shopping spree, something that happened maybe 20 years ago.

Jay Ray: ago.

Long time.

Sir Daniel: A very long time ago.

Um, we know that could, was Sean being serious?

Probably that he would, because that's what, yes.

He, he is a predator and yes, he does that as part of his grooming.

He does do those things to get you to gain your confidence and to, to make you feel comfortable.

To let your guard down.

Yes.

Perceived ho, ho, well, not perceived, um, but the perceived, um, sexuality part of it all.

Um, he uses, he still to this day at his grown age, uses the term fruity to describe, to describe the conversation.

Yes.

He's, he was on a Good Morning America and used the term fruity.

That, that, did he,

Jay Ray: were still using the term fruity.

Okay.

Sir Daniel: Curtis, Curtis Jackson sat up there in front of Robin, um, what's her name?

Robin.

Um.

Robin Roberts and call that man fruity on national television, daytime television at that.

Jay Ray: Okay.

Sir Daniel: so, right.

So we're talking about two decades of a perceived comment, because really this is, I think this is more of a perceived attack on his sexuality, meaning that 50

Jay Ray: SHA

Sir Daniel: 50 probably was

Jay Ray: do too much

Sir Daniel: exactly, it's like 50 was like, well, how, what makes you think that You can say that to me?

Am I giving off something that makes you think that you can take me trick on me and you could take me out to, to, to, to dinner and go and take me to VIM and go shopping for new sneakers?

You know, those.

So he, to me, he overthought that.

First of all, he overthought that.

First of all, I'm sure.

Do you know how many people Diddy has taken shopping?

Dudes like, I'm sure he's taking the clip shopping.

He's taking all of those Pharrell, he's taking all of those boys, all of those guys shopping, and they ain't say a word about it.

They got their Louis Vuitton, those Louis Vuitton fanny packs and hid it.

They got what they needed and bounced.

But his, that internalized homophobia

Jay Ray: Oof.

Sir Daniel: got Curtis in a choke hole and made him sink all of his money into, um, into putting together this documentary.

And that's why, part of the reason why we say, seriously, y'all, y'all have got to grow the bleep up

Jay Ray: yes,

Sir Daniel: it's not just 50.

There is this ongoing, the, the, the, the grown men.

That are supposed to be.

The elder statesmen of hip hop right now are just so disappointing.

They are disappointing me from left to right, from all angles.

The ones that now have podcasts, they are all disappointing me with these very stunted, emotionally immature, hot takes and behaviors that is just taking over their lives and is influencing the lives, influencing the lives of a lot of young men that are watching them.

So if you wanna fight it, you have to support.

The people that are putting together the quality content that you want to see, the quality content that you wanna share with the young people in your lives that you feel could benefit from it.

It's not gonna happen, um, by osmosis.

You gonna have to sit, hey, you gonna have to, um, be active and actively say, I'm gonna actively subscribe to this podcast because this brother is, is kicking knowledge.

The if it, thank God for somebody like a Deontay Kyle right now who is as a, as a heterosexual man who is really taking other heterosexual men to task and holding them accountable.

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: And it is like, and, and it is not letting up off their throats, off their necks.

It is just pause.

It is just really what's needed right now

Jay Ray: Right.

Sir Daniel: I'm so happy for it.

And we just need more of that.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: we need to be more supportive of people like, uh, the grits and X podcasts and Queue points.

Jay Ray: the red Yes.

Queue Points and waving the red flag.

And, and, and Dr.

Ed Gars and Sweet Tea Ethics.

And just

Sir Daniel: Yes.

Yes.

Jay Ray: these, these platforms, the Counter Narrative project in CNP, all fairness, like I, I, I, I work there,

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: even just thinking about the event that we had tonight, um, uh, uh, brother, uh, the, a black man reading and Charles Stevens and Doug Jones in conversation about Doug

Sir Daniel: Yep.

Jay Ray: book.

So we got this straight brother in conversation with these queer brothers about this book that has these gay characters and really talking about the stuff and

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: conversations back and forth, right?

These are what we need to do.

And so, thank you, sir Daniel for.

Reminding all of us that support the things that feed you right?

Share the things that feed you with other people, um, because that's the only way that these platforms grow.

And, um, and so for y'all, um, unless you have something else you wanna cover, I wanna tell the people how they could support us.

Sir Daniel, what else you would

Sir Daniel: Oh, the, the only thing I wanna do really quickly

Jay Ray: uhhuh

Sir Daniel: is speaking of supporting and feeding the things that will feed us, I wanted to give a shout out to our friend Asha d Simon,

Jay Ray: Yay.

Sir Daniel: has, um, just recently released his book, um,

Jay Ray: Uh, uh, uh, it is Faith

Sir Daniel: faith, faith Deconstruction for Dummies.

Absolutely.

Faith Deconstruction for Dummies.

Um, it is if you are, if religion and dogma has caused you some type of hurt or even you just have questions

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: Religion and how it's being handled and or you are, you are starting to notice how white supremacy is playing a role in your, in your black life right now

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: comes to religion.

That's the book for you.

Um, I'm super proud of him.

Um, it's out there on Amazon and all the other platforms that you can purchase books.

Um, he's having, I can't wait to see this live q and a that he's gonna have next week.

So I'm super proud of him.

If you just, if it's a great book to support and it's a great, this is a great brother to support as well, so I just wanted to throw that out there.

Jay Ray: Great holiday gifts.

Sir Daniel: Absolutely

Jay Ray: think about that.

So this holiday season, because lemme tell y'all something, I'm being real clear about the holiday.

I already told my mom and my brother this, it's gonna be real light because I ain't giving these people, I ain't giving them nothing, nothing.

Like I'm not giving, I'm not giving y'all too much.

I'm just not giving y'all my coins.

Sir Daniel: Let me say this to Jay Ray.

We sat up there, everybody was talking about stuff.

Yeah, man.

Black Friday, we ain't doing none of that.

We ain't, we ain't buying nothing.

We not going to target, we not doing this.

We not buying that.

We, we staying home $8 trillion later.

Somebody's lying.

Somebody, somebody is lying.

Y'all went out, somebody went out shopping.

Somebody was sitting on that line outside waiting for that, um, that quote unquote gift bag with a hundred dollars worth of merchandise.

And all you got was a, a pack of plane cards and some, um, some, some chapstick.

Jay Ray: right

Sir Daniel: You, you got played, but yes, $8 trillion later.

Jra, somebody lying.

But, um, we going, we we're gonna hold ourselves accountable and do what we can do.

Jay Ray: accountable.

Listen, so that point, shop brands.

That you, that, that also support the community.

So to that point, y'all, thank y'all so much for being here with us.

One of the things that you could do for absolutely free, for Queue Points is actually just share the show.

So wherever you are tuning in, subscribe first of all, and then share the show.

Friends, family, colleagues, everybody, let people know that you listen to Queue Points.

We really appreciate it.

shout out this week.

We loved seeing the fact that, you know, we were in your Spotify top podcast.

We love that.

We appreciate that.

It is absolutely free y'all to support us in that way.

You know what I'm saying?

Visit Queue Points.com.

Watch the whole archive of, of, of episodes there.

There's plenty of stuff to check out.

Visit us on substack.

Um, we have some dope stuff over there, including the video if y'all haven't checked it out.

We did a show over on the NPN network for Thanksgiving.

It aired on Thanksgiving, but we put it on our podcast feed too.

But it is, we talk about Queensbridge as an influential Marley Morrow in Queensbridge specifically as, uh, shifting the trajectory of black music and its impact.

So check out that show, um, support the NPN network.

Um, and definitely just check out our show and there's a bunch of other dope shows too.

but yeah.

We love y'all.

We appreciate y'all shop Queue Points too for the holidays.

If you are planning to shop Queue Points for the holidays, you wanna get those orders in by like December 11th so that you can make sure your thing gets to you by Christmas.

If you are shopping for, uh, Christmas, uh, make sure it gets there in time.

So that's it.

We appreciate y'all.

We love y'all.

Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

Well, you heard what the man said.

You have your marching orders.

So what I like to say, after every episode in this life, you have a choice.

You can either pick up the needle or you could let the record play.

I am DJ Sir Daniel,

Jay Ray: and my name is Jay Ray, y'all

Sir Daniel: and this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history.

We will see you on the next go round.

Peace

Jay Ray: peace y

Sir Daniel: pause.

Jay Ray: and pause.

And,