Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast.

I'm DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: and my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my governments as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

And Sir Daniel, the category is.

Sir Daniel: Well, Jay Ray, ladies and gentlemen, them they hims and hers.

We have been here at Queue Points.

We've been trying to figure out, we've been trying to figure out a way to tell you this, how to let you know this.

Um, there's only one way that we can say it.

Is that your favorite rapper.

Mc is a butch queen.

That's right.

Your favorite rapper.

Your favorite mc is a butch queen.

And before we delve into this conversation, we wanna make it absolutely clear that the people that we are.

Jay Ray: Abundantly clear.

Sir Daniel: the people that we are mentioning and that we are paying homage to, quite frankly, um, this is no indictment on anybody's sexuality because when, when we begin talking and delving deeper, you'll realize that the title butch, queen, um, has nothing really to do with a person's sexuality, but it is a, a persona that a lot of.

People, especially a lot of black men, dawn on themselves, um, to show up in this world in particular situations.

So I think that Jay Ray, we need to start off with a definition of a butch queen,

Jay Ray: Yes.

So here, so Butch Queen as a term is, uh.

Historically and synonymous, synonymous with black queer culture, right?

And it is a way to identify a person, uh, and how they show up in the world.

Jay Ray is identified as a butch queen, so I would be, I would fit into the butch queen category.

So if you've ever met me, you actually have met a butch queen.

Okay?

But the formal definition is the following, right?

The definition of Butch Queen, and this is according to, uh, Wiki Missionary.

I don't wiki missionary wary.

Um,

Sir Daniel: school, but go.

Jay Ray: did?

Okay, cool.

Um, is one.

Uh, a gay male who is neither overtly masculine nor overtly feminine, but displays the mannerisms of both genders.

Now, what's really important about that for this conversation is that's just the definition, but that extract out.

The gay male part and just focus on the male part.

Right?

Because what we are talking about for this conversation has nothing to do with sexual orientation.

It's literally a, a energy.

It's the way people show up in the world, and, and I would argue Sir Daniel, that butch queen is the thing that folks are attracted to that they can't explain.

Sir Daniel: Mm.

They can't put their finger on it, but if they did, I'm just, I'm just playing.

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna tell that joke.

But, uh, can I add one caveat to this Jay Ray?

All right.

So the term butch queen also is used heavily in ballroom culture.

And I know in 2026 and over the past few years, people outside of the black community have been co-opting a lot of terms, terminology and just the whole ballroom culture.

So I want to say this and make it clear, white men cannot be butch queens.

I'm sorry.

White, this is not for you.

The same way that the lesbian delegation has decided that studs cannot be white, butch queens cannot be white.

I'm sorry.

Just sit this one out.

This is not about you.

I know that some, the way the, all the co-opting and all of that, that that's been happening.

Um, yeah.

It's, it's gonna stop.

Here we are, we are put drawing a line in the sand.

That this term is not for you.

This term is not for you.

And I also, and I also bring up, um, the ballroom culture because the butch queen persona, as Jay Ray said, it's not about sexuality, it's also about survival.

If we're going to

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Ooh, you better talk about that.

Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: about duality.

The term came from the, uh, survival for young.

Black gay men living in the inner cities, having to code switch, if you will, at times and, and, and survive in the urban jungle.

And so you could put on.

This persona of a tough a B-Boy, someone who's, you know, and a lot of them that aren't, aren't putting on, they really are that gutter with it.

They really are.

They grew up in the projects they grew up on, um, hanging out on the stoops with their friends, cracking jokes on each other.

And, um, some of them sell drugs.

Uh.

You know, get into other, um, illegal, uh, ways of making money to survive.

Again, I think the root of all of these, these terms, these personas, is survival and protection.

So I think that needs to be set as well.

And I think this is the perfect time, Jay Ray, to talk about this because the scene has been set over the past couple years.

Like recently we had the whole, the whole dandy, um.

The, uh, at the Met Gala, the whole dandy, um, gala and the, the theme of Dandyism and exploring dress and the way black men present and, and show up in the world.

And, uh, we also have, here in Atlanta, we have scad has the, um, Andre Leon Talley exhibit right now showing all his journey through fashion, through his clothing and the armor that he put on.

And so I think this is the perfect time to discuss.

Why your favorite mc, your favorite rapper?

Your favorite tough guy?

On the mic right now is the Butch Queen, and we're gonna, we're gonna have some historical figures as well.

Jay Ray, right?

We're gonna

Jay Ray: absolutely.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So we, uh, in fact, one, two.

Sir Daniel: I know.

Jay Ray: well, two of the people on my list are, are historical and then like we have one, and then like there's the final boss, which we will talk about in a, in a, a little bit later.

Sir Daniel: Boss.

Jay Ray: the final boss of, of, of, of rapper butch queens.

Um, I do, I do wanna say, I wanna say one thing.

Um, I, I feel like.

With all of these folks that we're going to talk about, and I don't know who's on Sir Daniel's list.

So we're gonna talk about when we have like overlaps, I think what makes them special and you'll be able to see it like when we say the names going back to that definition.

And when we say the names, you'll be like, oh yeah, I could see that.

And I wanna be really clear that that.

Is what I think is those, these, these men's superpower in terms of how they walk through the world.

It's not something that has to be stated.

Um, it is not about sexual orientation, but this balance that these men show up in the world having is attractive to everyone.

And I feel like that's just really important to say because all of the folks that we're gonna talk about are like stars.

Like these are like.

Famous people, you know what I'm saying?

Um, but yeah, I feel like it's a good time to just kind of, uh, rattle off some names.

And I want, for people that are listening, I want the pictures of those folks to pop into your head.

And I want to know immediately what you have to say.

Sir Daniel: Yeah.

He, yeah.

Jay Ray: Mm.

Sir Daniel: right.

So you want me to go

Jay Ray: You go first.

Sir Daniel: Okay.

I think, I think everyone will agree with my first pick.

I think he is the, I think he's the reigning.

hip hop, butch queen, he's the reigning, um, boss.

Not boss, but he's the reigning hip hop butch queen, and I cannot even call it hip hop anymore, but that's a whole other

Jay Ray: That's a whole other conversation.

Sir Daniel: So my number three pick is Tyler, the creator.

Jay Ray: Good choice.

He's not on my list.

Okay.

Sir Daniel: Tyler, the creator, is just that I think what.

What we tap into is that creative spirit.

There is a duality of spirit that comes along with creatives.

It just is.

Those are people that are able to see the world, um, through both lenses, um, through both energies and, and can emit through both energies.

And lately, Tyler has been playing with it.

Even more in his, in the way he shows up, in the way he dresses, in the, um, some of the situations that he's been pulled into online.

Um, uh, the thing, the lyrics, the raps that, you know, I, you know, I, I don't give a about your pronouns.

I'm that, and that, you know, those things.

He said it.

And I think, and there's also, um, I think as he gets older, he's becoming comfortable and secure in who he is and, um.

Whatever way he shows up sexually, because I think he's made it clear that, um, and maybe that is, that is another superpower, Jay Ray, is the

Jay Ray: he's very ambiguous.

He's very ambiguous.

We put him,

Sir Daniel: of it all.

Jay Ray: yeah.

The queer community, I think has put Tyler in like the queer umbrella, but I'm like.

He is very ambiguous with that.

I don't, I, and I think he has allowed that to be a superpower.

Sir Daniel: Right.

I'm not get, we're not giving him any, he's not getting any kind of, um, keys to the city as it were.

Nobody's

Jay Ray: no.

Queer Icon awards for Tyler.

Sir Daniel: not going, he's not performing a pride or anything like that anytime soon, I don't think, but.

For me, Tali the creator and the way that he shows up and, and in the powerful way that he shows up, um, puts him at number three on my list of butch queens that are MCs.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, love that pick.

Um, my pick is going to be controversial, um, but I think the moment I say the name, y'all will get it.

I ll Cool J is number three on my list as rappers who are also butch queens.

So here's the deal.

Sir Daniel: I see.

Okay, go

Jay Ray: You know what I'm saying?

Sir Daniel: Well, he's the reason why we're talking about

Jay Ray: here's literally the

Sir Daniel: and I are, we had, we, Jay Ray and I had with them text conversations.

I saw the picture of LL performing.

It was in Philly,

Jay Ray: Yeah.

For New Year's.

Sir Daniel: For New Year's Eve, and he came out in a, a full mask and a, um, a, a fur bomber.

And I immediately texted Jay Ray.

I, I, I, um, screenshotted the picture and texted to Jay Ray and I said, wow, this is so, this is such, this is so ballroom of LL Cool j And I love it for him.

It's so ballroom of him.

And after I sent it to you, I was like, oh, we gotta talk

Jay Ray: We gotta talk about this.

Yes.

Butch queens.

Sir Daniel: You know what I mean?

But.

Jay Ray: No, absolutely.

Uh, so LL Cool j.

Since he burst on the scene, and I, and I think people will want to tie this to, um, the fact that he's light skinned and the fact that he is kind of hip hop's original pretty boy in a lot of ways.

Um, but here's what made LL special number one, and skilled on the microphone, right?

So you were never going to be able to take his skills away.

But what took him over the top is he also knew, oh, but I look like this.

Right?

So ll.

Embraced the idea of kind of being hip hop's first, like literally legit sex symbol.

Um, so this young man in the 1980s had all of these women swooning over him, but part of what that.

Energy was, was the balance.

So when LL does, I need Love, and he is being like, you know, sentimental on the mic, he's doing this at a time when rappers are not encouraged to do that, this is.

Post run DMC when suddenly hip hop has shifted.

So if we look at hip hop in the late seventies, early eighties, we see a lot of, uh, references to funk, which means flashy costumes, which means midd drifts, which means leather harnesses, and all of that, which is a flashback to seventies and also is queer coded.

Let's just say what it is, but.

Ll so under run, DMC shows up and is like, no, we wearing like jeans and, and, and leather jackets and, and fedoras and

Sir Daniel: ain't taking our shirts off.

Jay Ray: ain't taking our shirts off, like, you know what I'm saying?

We men up in here ll shows up, posts that and

Sir Daniel: That jacket is off shoulder.

Jay Ray: that.

Right.

You know what I'm, you know what I'm saying?

Exactly.

You going to get all of it.

And so.

The recognition of the power in embracing that energy, that feminine energy, that, that, that balance of the masculine and feminine that ll showed, I think makes him number three on, um, uh, amazing MCs that are also butch queens.

Sir Daniel: And I think LL is an amazing pick because my number two pick comes from the same, um, from the same era as LL Cool J and.

And maybe it's because they're both Capricorns, but true to, um, the ostentatiousness of these, these gentlemen, and being an mc at, there was a time where at being an mc, just because you were rapping doesn't mean you weren't a showman, does not mean that you didn't show up on stage.

Trying to get everybody's attention on you.

You did whatever it took to get everybody's attention.

For ll that meant, that meant unzipping his jacket, putting it off the shoulder, taking his shirt off completely and handing out roses.

Anything to garner people's attention because, um, the butch Queen persona craves attention, loves attention.

And I even, and the final boss, now that I think about it.

Absolutely loves attention and a and as and, and true to MCs getting cre, um, getting attention and being recognized for not just your skill, not just your records, but what has your skills and your records and your dominance as a rapper.

What has it garnered you?

It's garnered you.

Applause, screams and money.

So my pick.

Was absolutely the best at showing off his flavor with, um, with his abundance.

And so that makes my number two pick slick, rick

Jay Ray: I was wondering if he was gonna end up on one of our lists.

Yeah.

Sir Daniel: slick.

So, okay, so there's this long, this long going joke about, um, whether or not you can't tell if a man is gay.

He is like, well, is he gay or is he British?

And for.

Jay Ray: Right.

Sir Daniel: That's for, for anybody that has a British accent, a lot of people are like, well, is he gay or is he just British?

And that is because British men, black, white, whatever nationality, um, that comes from, um, London and overseas have a distinguished way that to most westerners, to most Americans, seems a little soft, seems a little fay.

And so what happens is in, in.

When you show up like that, as a slick, as a slick, Rick did.

He came, he came off with a, a panache, uh, uh, with a little laissez fair, um, attitude about him, and he's.

Definitely was, you know, was a ladies man was definitely talking about the women and, and all the attention that he could garner from them, picking them up.

His conversation with Mona Lisa and how he's, he was very fly with it and you know, and it's, that has to be said.

Butch queens are very.

Verbose or have a, a lot of them, some of them have a way with words and slick Rick, clearly the best storyteller in hip hop has a way with words.

But I want to go back to the, to the, to the, to the ostentatiousness of it all, the presentation.

If you've ever seen Slick Rick Live, what is Slick Rick gonna do in his heyday?

Slick Rick would come out with a nasty old.

Fur coat draped to the ground.

His, his, um, his kgo, um, he may have had it on a crown kgo at the time and when he would open in such, open up that coat and flare.

He is completely drenched in gold chains, and a lot of people will say that that points back to the, the African Kings.

You know, the Thea, I hope I pronounced that.

I hope I

Jay Ray: Let us know and let us know in the comments.

Sir Daniel: I'm sure they will.

Um, uh, and being adorned in all the goal that you had to show that you have, that you have power, that you have money, you have all the things that, um, a lot of, especially black men, we want to have to show up in this world.

And specifically because the world said that one, we can't have it.

We shouldn't have it.

And because we do have it, they wanna take it from us.

So, um, I think that is why slick Rick in, in his brilliance and the way he shows up, and he's, what I love about Slick Rick is that, and I think that's what makes him attractive to, to everybody, is that he never tried to be the overly macho dude.

He wasn't doing all of that.

He too could give you a, a hip hop ballad with, um, teenage love.

Jay Ray: Love.

Yep.

Sir Daniel: And you know, and was able to still be fly with it and just, and just be.

And so that's why, that's why I appreciate the butch queen in my number two pick slick Rick.

Jay Ray: yes.

Oh, I love that pick.

Um, so my number two pick is actually more contemporary.

Um.

It's interesting, there's only one person on this list that, that doesn't have slow jams.

It's kind of like a, a hallmark of on my list that doesn't have a slow jams is not a hallmark of their thing.

But my number two pick is Kendrick Lamar.

Uh,

Sir Daniel: Huh.

Okay.

Jay Ray: and, and here is what I think is so beautiful and brilliant about Kendrick Lamar and actually was probably ultimately Drake's downfall, um, because.

Drake and the, the Kendrick and Drake battle happened post, uh, Kendrick's, Mr.

Morale and the Big Steppers album, which was Kendrick Lamar's, um, bearing of all of these things that he had been a.

Dealing with talking about related to family and all of that stuff.

And he, he, he, he laid it all bare on this record.

So post that, when you ain't got nothing else to lose and say, you know what I'm saying?

That's, that's like deep, oh, you going, like, you, you are battle tested at that point.

What could this person say about me that I haven't already said?

I told you on the record already.

This is happening in my world.

Kendrick Lamar.

Uh, gives me butch, queen energy because once again, of the balance that he displays in how he shows up in space.

I saw it on full display for the first time at.

The, um, super Bowl, go back and watch the Super Bowl performance where Kendrick is showing up in with that wonderful gold broach that I'm like, oh, that's lovely Kendrick.

The way that showing up doing this, and.

In militaristic fashion, doing all right and performing with precision, but also commanding this space with this hot gold broach on.

I was like, yes, serve us, and it let me know immediately, oh, this man is balanced.

Because let me tell you something, if you're not balanced and you are living in this space of MAs, this hyper-masculinity or what masculinity means, you're not putting that on.

You can't.

Sir Daniel: Uh, it's so funny you bring up the Super Bowl performance, I think.

Kendrick's, um, butch queen powers were on display the minute the camera focused on him and he locked into that camera and said, Hey, Drake,

Jay Ray: Oh, well, that, that was peak book, but

Sir Daniel: energy

Jay Ray: literally.

Sir Daniel: like, Hey, Drake, like, what's up, bitch?

Like,

Jay Ray: You wanna talk about big, butch, queen energy?

Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

It was like, oh, this man is a menace.

And most butch queens, a lot of butch queens tend to be a menace, and we will talk about that when we speak on our final boss, Butch Queen.

Jay Ray: Absolutely.

So, um, for me, um, it is the balance of things.

It is, um, ability, like slick Rick we just talked about like ll.

Uh, uh, Kendrick Lamar is a brilliant mc.

He understands the power of words, what words mean, how to use them, and also like ll and like Slick Rick Kendrick Lamar might have the most hit laden hip hop, slow jams catalog of any of any rapper of all time.

His slow jam was the biggest song of 2025.

The Joint with ssa Luther with SSA was the most streamed song last year, and it's a slow jam.

And so for every record he's done, he has a slow jam on it.

So Kendrick Lamar is my number two pick, uh, for kind one of my favorite hip hop butch queens.

Shout out to to Kendrick.

Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

You know what, Asha?

I, I dig it.

Okay.

We're here.

We're here at number

Jay Ray: Who's, who's your number one?

Sir Daniel: I think this is going to be controversial because of the recent shenanigans, but if you follow me for a long time, you've always known.

I have always said that this, this man is a butch queen, and I've always, I said he, this is the, the straight.

Well, at the time I would say this is my favorite straight butch queen.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: Sean Diddy Combs

Jay Ray: Oh my God, yes.

Sir Daniel: is, for all intents and purposes, is the number one butch queen on my butch queen list.

Now, the, the, the, the jury is out on him being an mc, but, but we cannot negate the, the history that he has had in the hip hop.

Um, hip hop universe, we cannot negate the things that he has, um, been able to do and present while he was within the hip hop arena.

And, um, working with a lot of, um, rap acts, so on and so forth.

I, so it makes sense to me that Diddy is on this list because, um.

Every, there's a bit of, there's a bit of stunt queen in every butch queen, and Diddy has proven time and time again that he is.

He has pulled many a stunt

Jay Ray: Yes.

Sir Daniel: over the past three to four, three decades of him being in the public eye.

Um, but I will say that all of the things that we spoke of in regards to presentation, especially presentation, um, as far with as far as black men wanting to show that they are, that they can be the flyest that in the room.

That you are going to give him all the attention when he walks in the room.

That is going to happen.

And at a time, there was a time when Sean Combs personified that, and you can see that Sean knowingly or unknowingly, um, co-opted a lot of ballroom or helped usher in the co-opting of ballroom culture and queer culture by including.

Maybe he, I don't know.

He's definitely not the first to do this, but by including stylists who came from the community.

Who come from the community.

And so a lot of your favorite rappers, the way they showed up, the way they were dressed.

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: Was a hundred percent facilitated by somebody who came, who came from the community, and Diddy and all his flamboyance.

And all his grandeur.

Uh, I mean, he was completely drawn to that.

If, who, I don't know any other person that loved a cape more than Diddy.

Do you remember that, that, um, met gala when he showed up with Cassie.

Jay Ray: And it was like down and Cassie ain't nowhere to be found.

Child.

Sir Daniel: ca baby Cassie is behind the cape.

Cassie.

He's got the cape draped open and Cassie is hidden behind the ca because this moment is about him clearly because mama was, mama was posing on the, on the steps with his legs, you know, um, perched and had the, and had the cape draped out.

So you can get all of the, of the elegance of this cape

Jay Ray: Butch Queen Energy.

Sir Daniel: Big, big butch, queen energy, and it made, it always made me laugh because of how there was still, at that time there was still so many people, specifically, um, young black men that wanted to aspire to that.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: Aspire to, or at least aspire to the heights that he had, he had risen to in our eyes at the time.

And um, and I was like, y'all just don't understand that you all are being, um, glamored.

Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

Sir Daniel: Being hypnotized by the butch queen energy, by the butch queen glow.

And you just, and you have no idea because, you know, you think that that has nothing to do with you, but it absolutely has a hundred percent to do with you because you are part of it.

It's, it's already in you.

Jay Ray: It is already in every

Sir Daniel: lot of you, all of, there's a lot of you out there that are get on these balloon pop shows and the way you, you, you, um.

Downgrade the women that are on these shows.

It, it is clearly giving butch queen.

The way y'all talk about the women and from their hair to the, to their feet is, is a lot of butch queen energy.

And, but you don't know that because I know you still have the, the, the blinders of, of hyper masculinity on, but enough about that.

But yes, and you know how I know, and the reason why Didi also was number one on my list was because he was able to influence.

Um, even the men on his label,

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: you know, there was a time, if you look at the way the locks presented prior to the No Way Out album, there was a time you, the locks was just about, you know, they were regular

Jay Ray: Tim's and James and

Sir Daniel: teen shirts and Jays.

Next thing you know, during in Suits.

You know, shiny suit said that, and you know, because Sean understood that there is a, a valid, um, uh, there, there's a validity to being outrageous, to being flamboyant, especially in the entertainment category.

So he recognized that and, and made that part of his arsenal.

And for that and for that only.

Those reasons only is the only reason why Sean Didi Combs is my number one butch queen.

Jay Ray: Good choice.

Um, my number one is gonna be really controversial then.

Um, so my number one choice, um, is Tupac.

Sir Daniel: so crazy that you said that Tupac was my honorary mention, but yes, I please speak on it.

Jay Ray: Tupac is one of the architects of, I think, what it means to be like a hard rapper, but also embracing the the butch queen energy.

So this became apparent to me.

I didn't know how to explain it at the time.

But the, I get around video is, I think the first time that it was really apparent to me that Tupac was doing something different, right.

With how, um, he presented.

Um, I remember specifically, uh, pieces of that video where I'm like, what is this?

What is this that nobody else is doing?

Right?

There's bubble baths.

There's.

Uh, there's all of these pieces, right, of the gold chains and all of this, the shirt off with now the tattoos and all of that stuff, right?

And now as I reflect, I'm like, oh no, Tupac was given butch queen energy.

This is, so, if there was a category in Ballroom where it's like Butch Queen Tupac would've got his tens, oh.

Sir Daniel: Oh, absolutely.

I mean, I'm sure that there were categories created for Tupac.

Jay Ray: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sir Daniel: Oh, absolutely.

Jay Ray: So same things as the other artists that I've been talking about, right?

Um, uh, one, a really solid slow jams, uh, arsenal.

He's one of the, the architects of doing that.

You could hear Tupac rap Slow jams on r and b radio today.

It's a regular thing.

I hear dear mama all the time.

Um.

Word play Stellar.

Well read.

That's the other thing.

I don't know about ll but I absolutely know for Kendrick and I absolutely know for Tupac, they were theater kids.

Sir Daniel: Absolute.

I, I thank you for saying that.

Tupac was absolutely a theater kid.

Jay Ray: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So those things that mayhem, um, uh, a, a good rapper, we haven't talked about this, but I think this is really important and folks need to get it.

Sir Daniel: Mm-hmm.

Jay Ray: Hip hop has always been, you mentioned it a second ago, showmanship, but it's, it's the, it's the theatrical aspect of rapping where, especially if you're MCing.

You are a solo act.

You have to take up this whole stage.

There's nothing else with you.

There's probably a dj, but all you got is you.

And what makes you good at that is you understand the how to be on stage and how to take up a A room.

And Tupac showed it in his lyrics and he also showed it as he became an actor.

So.

It is always interesting to me how if you look at the All Eyes On Me Cover with Tupac, I'm like, y'all do realize that that's like a leather corset that Tupac is wearing

Sir Daniel: America's Most wanted.

Jay Ray: Right,

Sir Daniel: Baby him and Snoop Baby, that that is one old John Paul Gaultier corset that he's in and the hell out of it, but it is a corset It.

Jay Ray: we just need to be really clear about this energy and once again, what made it work?

Is he, I think he got it.

Like I think he got that this is the thing that it was gonna do and he, he was probably, I'm sure, giving up, oh, the girl's going to love this, right?

Ladies?

I need you, you know what I'm saying?

Shoot.

The lady's gonna love this.

You know what I'm saying?

And so I feel like where we get in trouble to that point that you just made, sir Daniel is young men and are, are, are being kind of like, Ooh, what is this thing?

It's why y'all love Prince, right?

But butch baby, next level, butch queen energy, right

Sir Daniel: Butch queen upping pumps,

Jay Ray: up in literally butch queen up in pumps, right?

But what I want us to embrace is the fact that this energy matters in all of us, and I think Tupac got it.

I think Kendrick got it.

I think ll got it.

They know what's possible when you are your full self and you are balanced, and that's why we love them.

But yes, Tupac is my number one hip hop butch queen.

Sir Daniel: Listen, love it.

Because Tupac on was on my list.

He was honorary.

Yes.

All of the things that you said.

The flare for the dramatics, the um.

The ability to, to to, to garner attention, um, to use, to use his looks, you know, use what he got a lot of, a, a lot of people are using what they got to get what they want, and he was able to, to tap into that.

And I think audience, what you all have been complaining about, what we, we've all been complaining about what is missing.

Is that a lot of people don't tap into a lot of these young people.

Don't tap into duality, don't tap into, and they're not tapping into any energy.

They're tapping into something dark.

I don't know what that is, but I think what we are missing is that flare, that thing that excites us about each other.

And you're absolute, everybody that we've listed has a, a plethora of, of fans and admirers of both genders, of all, all the genders.

I'll say that.

And, um.

And again, as we stated at the top of this episode, this is no indictment on how they show up sexually in the bedroom because none of us know what they do in the bedroom.

Well, maybe my

Jay Ray: Well, I mean, your number one

Sir Daniel: uh, maybe too much, but yes, I, I think this is a solid, solid list.

But Jay Ray, we have to crown

Jay Ray: man.

Sir Daniel: We have to crown him.

Jay Ray: Y'all, y'all know who it is.

Yeah.

Sir Daniel: y'all know it.

Jay Ray: Y'all know who it

Sir Daniel: I'm honors please.

Jay Ray: It's 50 cent, like there's n.

My dear God in heaven, there is no rapper walking the earth today that exudes.

Oh, but not only is he a butch queen, sir Daniel, he's a messy butch queen

Sir Daniel: The, the most treacherous of all kinds of butch queens is a messy butch queen because a messy, butch queen, um, outta survival, like I said before, outta survival.

This duality that they have to have in this world because of whatever circumstances life has given to them out of survival, um, at times has to become very ferocious.

Whatever they do.

And Curtis 50 cent Jack, um, Jackson has proven time and time again that he is.

The only, I think messy kind of be, kind of belittles it.

It's beyond messiness.

It, it's a, it's a, it's cal, it's a very calculated way of living and it is basically, it's based on survival because nobody puts that much.

Effort into being petty without it about being protection because there's something that he's trying to protect within himself and protect about himself.

Still to this day, no matter how successful he is, he's trying to protect himself in a way that he feels attacked.

No matter what you do, no matter what you say, Curtis 50 cent Jackson is going to find some way to outed you.

And to, and to, and to read you in the nastiest way that he knows how, which is through what he

Jay Ray: TV shows.

It's,

Sir Daniel: buying, buying the rights to your life, going out to taking your baby mother out on a shopping spree and on camera and, and buying her houses and, and cars and, and giving your child a, a scholarship to whatever school he wants to go to.

50 cent has and will do that just to assert his prominence and his dominance in this, um, field of entertainment.

Jay Ray: my God.

Today, um, the.

Sir Daniel: boss.

Jay Ray: The final boss.

Um, sir Daniel, this was super dope.

I'm actually really glad we had this conversation.

I really hope y'all are here with this.

Yeah.

Like I, I think if there's one thing that we can do in particular as it relates to black men, 'cause all of these folks that we're talking about are black men.

Um.

Is give brothers the room to express however it is that they choose to express and not make it an indictment on their sexuality or their sexual orientation.

Um, because all of these men that we've talked about had the unique opportunity to exist in their fullness.

Right.

And I think that's the piece that we need to give brothers the opportunity to do.

Not all of the best MCs are butch queens.

We only mentioned these because these are the ones that stuck out.

It's not all of them.

You know what I mean?

Because we need balance and we need difference.

And not everybody is a butch queen.

Not every gay man is a butch queen.

You know what I'm saying?

So give.

Black men the room to show up in the world however it is that they choose to show up.

And if we give brothers that room, we might get some amazing experiences from them being able to do that because they can be who they are.

So that's what I hope folks take away is all the folks that we've mentioned, um, have lived out, have lived fully, um, one.

Dear God, um, is the last year was a lot, you know what I mean?

Was a lot

Sir Daniel: but see that's what happens when a butch queen uses his powers for evil.

Jay Ray: right?

So there we go.

So see here we, and don't use your, so don't use your power for evil.

That's the lesson

Sir Daniel: There.

There it is.

And you know, ladies, I, I do, I really want the sisters to pull up close to this episode as well.

I think this really is, um.

A prime example, a good lesson of why it's dangerous to label anything a man does as sassy

Jay Ray: Yep.

Sir Daniel: is very dangerous because it can, it can, it costs people their lives, it costs people their mental health simply because if, if you, if you don't allow.

Men to be themselves in where whatever form that shows

Jay Ray: Yeah.

Sir Daniel: you are going to create monsters out of people who, who are not, who don't feel like they're able to do and be, then that.

Anger and that frustration comes out somewhere else.

Sometimes it comes out in a fist that's aiming towards you in your relationship because that man you are with has never been able to fully realize who he is emotionally.

Because at an early age, he was told, uh, I'm, I'm breaking that right now.

I'm gonna break that out of you.

I don't, I see something that I don't like that makes me nervous and makes me unhappy.

Uh, I'm gonna break that within you.

And so you are going to suppress because you're not really breaking anything.

You're suppressing and you're suppressing and pushing down.

Emotions, energies that are going to show up in some form or fashion.

And unfortunately a lot of men for that, for them, it shows up in violence.

And so if we, if you don't want, if you want to curtail the violence and stop it immediately, I say you allow people to be who they are.

Jay Ray: be who they are.

And it starts with, it starts with young people to that point for, for brothers who are.

Who resonate with this?

You know what I'm saying?

This is where we've been having the conversation about therapy and how important it is.

Um, this is where, this is the time to pull up, you know what I'm saying?

To your therapist to have these conversations, uh, in a very real way.

I love that we were able to do this 'cause we are not talking about nobody is gay.

That's not what this is about.

We're talking about the ability for black men to show up in the world as their full selves and we all deserve the ability to do that.

Sir Daniel.

So thank y'all so much for hanging out with us as we explored, uh, this category.

Category is your favorite rapper is the Butch Queen.

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Sir Daniel: We absolutely do.

And so for everybody that, um, popped up on our list, come get your crowns.

You got your 10.

Get your, get your to trophy.

You snatched this whole episode.

You definitely deserved it.

But as I always say in every episode in this life, you have a choice.

You can either pick up the needle or you can let the record play.

I am DJ Sir Daniel.

Jay Ray: my name is Jay Ray.

Sir Daniel: And this has been Queue Points podcast, dropping the needle on black music history.

We will see you on the next go round.

That category is closed and this was 10.

Jay Ray: Peace, everybody.