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Passages contains graphic and explicit sexual content.
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Welcome, Oh yeah, welcome to Passages.
Passages.
Speaker 2Indulge me now if you will hang cobwebs and shadows in your mind, think darkness and danger too, entails from another time.
Speaker 1Travel with me, please, into the darkened recesses of other people's minds, to a world of.
Speaker 3Wood and cloth and stream.
Speaker 2This season of Passages is a Harlequin intrigue again, Puppet's Bobby.
Speaker 3Passages Puppets.
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Okay, that's all for me.
Speaker 2So Amanda and I and Aarin just watch the Little Something.
You guys, you.
Speaker 1Guys, Okay, if you listen to Wine and Crime and you're you're subscriber, then you've probably heard I think Lucy did a drunk dive.
Speaker 2This sounds very much like a Lucy topic.
Speaker 1So I made halves for a chin joke on TV that some YouTube thing we were watching I don't even know, and Robbie didn't get it, and I made him stop whatever we were watching to the point where I don't even remember what it was.
There was a red letter media something, so they flashed like some scary picture of something.
Anyway, we just watched the most amazing video by was Lindsay Lindsay Something does history tea time time?
Yeah, with Lindsay Holiday, maybe I think you're right.
Speaker 2I think that's right.
It is wow s spectacular.
Speaker 3It's just about the Habsburg.
Speaker 1We were fucking gags from the beginning to end.
Speaker 2It's got thrills, it's got chills and all.
It's just this is what happened in sequence.
Speaker 1Yeah, and it's it's it's all historical fact.
Speaker 2Seems very well researched.
Speaker 1Very well researched, very straightforward, very dry.
It's not there's no comedy, no, no, no.
Speaker 2The comedy is.
Speaker 1Purely even see her, you hear her and see photo references like historical port.
Speaker 5The comedy is purely in how deadpan she's.
Speaker 2The divine retribution they're talking.
Speaker 1About when King Charles the third or whatever habsburg brought it was a baby and he was like covered in scabs, and just the list his brutal didn't the fotel didn't, and just the list of brutal, and he had a constant weeping sore behind his right ear.
Speaker 3So they just put a bonnet.
Speaker 2They were like, put him fixed a bonnet to it.
Speaker 3Robbie Positive just goes, I don't know, put a bond of it.
Speaker 2So uh No, the comedy comes from just the well, the savagery of genetics.
I mean, just all the circumstances.
Speaker 3But it keeps pointed moment.
Speaker 2Oh god, brutal shade.
Speaker 1It was such and again it's a totally deadpan purely historically.
Speaker 2This was not done maliciously.
Speaker 1This is an educational video they're talking about.
Speaker 2Sorry.
The Habsburd job, for those of you who don't know, is a famous mutation that the very very inbred like royal family, I think the kings of Spain and Austria.
They were super powerful warlords.
They were trying to cling to power, and one of the ways that they did that is by securing very literally incestuous power or alliances within the families.
And they got they got to the point that they could predict facial deformities and things that were going to happen to the next generation.
They didn't know what they were exactly.
Speaker 1They thought they were cursed.
Speaker 2They literally thought that they were caused by goblins at one at one point in the story.
But they had these massive jaws, these insane jaws from a particular mandibular horror.
Speaker 1Yeah, and they were trying to well, okay, they were trying to compare it to a more common not defect, but like facial structure of the jaw, where the jaw if you have an underbike bigger, Yeah, the jaw could be bigger.
You can have an underbyte that might need like correct or surgery or something like that.
And there's a cut to example and it's just a modern day photo of.
Speaker 3The most formal.
Speaker 2And it's like, so they had just this list of ghoulish nightmara here comes j leto and there's probably they probably show like three hundred photos or portraiture portrait.
This is the only modern just here comes leto again Habsburg job.
Speaker 3It was we were dying.
I'm shore pants, so Lindsay Holiday.
Speaker 1Channel, well done.
We immediately subscribed.
We'll be watching many more of your historical videos.
Speaker 2We will be making reaction content to all of your deformity.
Speaker 1That was honestly the most fun I've had in a minute, maybe outside of pro bit, because I really love this book.
Speaker 2This has been really fun.
We've had a gutbuster per at least per episode where I like had tears in my eyes.
Speaker 3I am consistently delighted.
Speaker 2It's so funny because it's it's it's it's well written, it's decently plotted, but the comedy comes from just like the sheer earnestness and enthusiasm and with with which they present nonsense and absurdity non nonsense.
So I just heard a short, like little debate argument between Kristin Shall and the guy who does Anthony Jesslnick, who does the like tight tightly written jokes with a really shocking mean ending.
And that's like all he does is these really well written shocking little jokes with like a surprise ending, and so that's yes, So his assertion to Kristin Shawl was comedy come is surprise And she was like, well, it can be, and it can also be from commitment to the bit.
But and he's like, no, it's all surprised with the confidence of a white, medio, whiteyocre white man who's you know, he's very accomplished.
Speaker 3But you don't have to be great to be.
Speaker 2She's like, you can't just solve comedy.
You can't just solve comedy.
I think puppet solves comedy because I think that it is both the surprise and the earnestness.
I think that cringe is a kind of comedy too, yes, and that does not come from surprise.
No, no, And I think that's a So it's just like horror is broken into terror, the anticipation, the revulsion.
There's all these like ingredients in horror.
Speaker 1So I think remember when Charles the Third's dad to fulfill a prophecy given to him by an astronomer that his next uh.
They were like, you know what, uranus is in retrograde, So you're having a son, but only if you only eat eggs.
Speaker 2So he only ate eggs.
Speaker 1So is this different monster?
Horrifyingly has had like ten about it.
Speaker 3It makes me feel physically sick, Like the thought.
Speaker 2Shoveling eggs after egg into his jaw that won't close into his jaw, that like is slung down bits of spittle and egg like oozing out on eating your Amanda mouth into your mouth where you then.
Speaker 3Have to try eggs in a time when everyone reeked.
Speaker 2Anyway, just the sulfur emitting out of that man's pores must have been breath taking.
Speaker 1But has it worked?
Speaker 2Yeah?
To his credit, to his credit, he had a.
Speaker 3Little a little little little sun.
Speaker 2Oh.
Yeah, they were not totally The short child was so deformed.
They were not totally sure of its gender, and they just went sun, we need an air son and they put a bonnet on it cover channel, which we decided was the end of the vagina vagina.
Speaker 1Yeah, and that if you only eat eggs during concept, the time of conception, you could potentially give your child head ute uterus and wonderful this genitals grow in your head.
Speaker 2Really pretty incredible?
What?
Speaker 5What?
Speaker 6What?
Speaker 2Pretty incredible?
What cults and like money and power and the lust for it will do to humanity literally shape them into into caricatures of real humans right now?
Yeah, I mean I mean the g are them.
They are demons.
I'm sorry, Look, Judge.
Speaker 3You're all deeply sick.
Speaker 2He's so sick hiding in sewers and Alley.
Speaker 1Cruz don't have a little there's no way.
Speaker 2And and perhaps it's like some sort of spiritual corruption.
They're like evil seeping through their very poores.
So puppets, So puppets.
Okay, So that was great, But so Christian Shall said, comedy is more complicated.
She's like, no, there's like more into it, and like, of course she can't break down a I mean, like you can be you can be regressive and like argue anything back to surprise.
Sure, but like yeah, so yes, comedy evolved from people who had reactions to shocking things that were pleasant instead of debilitating, survived and passed down this trait where we if something like shocks the shit out of us, we laugh.
But there's something a little bit different.
It's not just that the things and puppets are shocking.
It's that they're a little cringe a little like, but they're so full throated and so fun is whimsical and weirdly and and yeah, and it's like and then this happens.
It's the confidence with it's the confidence with which something bad is like or sort of ill advised, necessarily bad.
But it's like I'm talking about like the the disaster pieces like the Room and the Obrien and these people are like where it's not just that what they're doing is wrong and dumb and shocking, it's that it's also just like so earnest and confident, erroneously confident.
Okay, So anyway, this is how we got into puppets with a man who an ill man, he's very sick, slithered through a secret in a puppet theater, which is it a.
Speaker 1Secret door because we found out last week, but like five different people know he's down there.
Speaker 2Okay, here's something that I think you learn in the next.
Speaker 1And one of them also lives that he's got a roommate that he didn't know.
Speaker 2Doesn't know about.
Yeah, Sophia the Goblin lives in the sewer tunnels with.
Speaker 1Him and knows how to get roll the way out to the other end.
Speaker 2But I was gonna say, I think that the puppet theater is so full of secret passages that people who know about the secret passages never know about all of them.
So because there's a scene a bit in the next two chapters where two characters are like, oh, have you found another secret passage?
Francoist like, so they know they're there, they just don't know where all of them are.
And apparently he neither does the architect who has the blue prints for the place, because he doesn't know about Sophia's ins and outs.
Wow, it's great.
So uh last week, last story.
Speaker 1We met Sophia the Goblin, the goblin woman who lives in the vault.
Speaker 2And in the labyrinth with David Bowie.
Speaker 3Yep, and the Laby David.
Speaker 1We also found out that Louise comes and goes from the vaults and literally asked him if he wanted anything from top side, and instead of saying please medicine, I'm very sick, he said, move the puppets.
Speaker 3Around a little bit.
Speaker 2Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1I want to scare pe Bet ruin Babet's week.
Speaker 2That bitch.
Speaker 1She's like sure, so she does.
Babbett does freak out, and then Ian her kind of the middleman between the puppet Master and their little thieving ring in the puppet theater.
Speaker 2Wait for the puppet Master.
Speaker 1Oh my god, it would be amazing.
Speaker 2She's a thief.
Speaker 1But anyway, Ian has lunch with the Master, who's still not revealed, and is trying to be like, hey, maybe we shouldn't use bad bet for a while.
She is a loose she's a liability.
This is like becoming a problem here.
Speaker 2And I think that we are too suspect that perhaps this is what happened to the costumer.
Speaker 1Yes, because yeah, we also found out that uh also was in this little thieving ring in the game.
Speaker 3Yep.
So those are kind of like the important points.
Speaker 2But the ending where he gets caught in the office.
Speaker 1Raoul comes back out through one of the many secret passages that goes directly into Ian's.
Speaker 2Office, probably one of three or.
Speaker 1Four, turns his nose up at Ian's porn, which we say, fuck off Raoul, and.
Speaker 2What a what a bad guy.
Speaker 3He is a bad guy he is.
Speaker 1We get a great scene with Philip Hambone Toppingham coming in.
Speaker 3Hamlet hamble hamblet up Toppingham.
Speaker 2Coming hambletub hambletub topping him.
Yeah, we really really get into that.
Speaker 1I've been listening to the Scruples season.
Speaker 2Oh those are the good old days.
Speaker 3I really missed Russell.
Speaker 2Oh god, I feel like my so my very first boyfriend was this guy named Scott Russell.
Speaker 3Was this guy named Russell.
Speaker 2Was this guy nam Scott, and he was lovely and pretty and blonde and very smart and nice.
But then after the summer that we dated, he he was going to move to France, and so we moved to France and he became a puppet.
Puppet he lives and I get emails from him on LinkedIn where he's like, He's like if you And that's funny because I've worked with puppets in theater and stuff, so like he was trying to LinkedIn me about puppet stuff and I'm just like no.
So he did not become a puppet person.
But what I was saying is all I dated other people after that who I liked or whatever, but I always.
Speaker 1They never measured up to nevers.
Speaker 2Yeah, so that's the thing is I kind of feel like I've liked I thought the Twilight season was fun, I thought PDA was super good.
Warriors Woman was obviously a mess that we tried our best to get through.
But I kind of I kind of always look back fondly, you know.
When I was in my twenties, I would look back fondly on that first beautiful buy that's my scruples.
I kind of feel like that one Scott was my scruples or something just really special about that book.
So but can I just say this one was fucking coming in hot.
Love it to come in hot.
Speaker 1So yeah, we get a really funny scene with Hambleton drinking Ian's booze and like leaving him a note and then uh, he leaves.
Raul comes back out reads the note.
It's like a couple of names and an address like a cafe.
Yeah, and then he gets well, we'll find out if he gets caught, but he's trapped in this room in the.
Speaker 2Office, definitely not going to be able to make it to his scuttle hole in time.
Speaker 1Ian is finally returning to his office and going to catch him red handed, but he hopes that the sun coming through a window will be blinding enough.
Speaker 2That he won't see him in there, for.
Speaker 3Ian won't be able to tell that it's Raoul.
Speaker 2Okay, that doesn't come up again, That's what he's like.
The blinding sun does not come up quite again.
So Ian is coming into the office.
The door has shut.
Raoul is inside, can't make it to his scuttle hole in time.
The door is shut, they're locked in together.
The door was closed, bolted, no chance now of escaping undetected.
That left only one option.
Bloody hell, Raoul muttered to himself, his muscles tightening instinctively.
Five strides carried him to the desk.
Ian was there already and about to turn.
Raoul couldn't allow that to happen.
He launched himself from the wall.
Ian's head came up.
He looked sharply right, but couldn't have seen clearly the man who wrenched one arm behind his back.
He cried out, but only for an instant, and then Raoul's hand was on his penis, stroking back and forth.
If you're quiet a sick, No, that's sorry.
Then Raoul's hand was on his neck, slamming his head with force into the nearest wall.
Ian's body swamped to the floor.
Raoul looked down frankly.
He found the side of Ian lying there, unconscious, strangely pleasurable, and he completed upon his prone body.
Raoul wasn't cruel, but perhaps he had a little.
He become a little bit colder, a little harder looking.
Get you in la, they're unconscious.
Since his confinement in the walls.
So he fucking choked him out.
He fucking knocks him out.
No, he chokes him.
Speaker 3He doesn't even choke him out him.
Speaker 2He slams his head against the wall and just knocks him the fuck out, so that later Ian has this like comic sandage front front of his forehead and it's like skin colored.
He's like trying to he's trying to hide.
He's like, I just I don't have a man stage makeup.
Yeah.
So yeah, he knocks him the fuck out.
Speaker 1You know what, dude, you gotta do.
Speaker 2Okay, He's like, fuck, what do I fucking do?
Okay, get back in your hole.
He has to look like a burglary, steal the poor.
He starts stealing all the stuff out of his Ian's desk, He steals his wallet, he takes his watch, He like rummages through, and then as he's about to leave, he goes fuck the safe.
The safe and the director's offices right across the street, right across the hall.
I have to crack the He cracks the safe, open, steals one.
Then I have to up the director.
I have to go get their offices too, because who would break in here and only after the stage manager and not the more lucrative targets across the way.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's actually really fair.
So he's smarter than I was giving him credit for the plotting in this Everyone he's hiding in the vault and it comes out every night to reveal himself.
Speaker 2Two a myriad of different goblins.
Yeah, so I do think that it is interesting that just like a modicum of like thinking about what characters would or should do in a situation.
A long fucking way.
Yeah, I'm just gonna leave that there, Okay.
So he's like, all right, I have no choice.
I have to go get those offices across the way.
How quiet it was up on the fifth floor of the theater, Katerina thought this was the private level and unearthly sanctuary from city noise.
Cool Stone corridors branched off in a dozen directions to rooms that had been boarded up before two years, two centuries ago, and inside them what dusty furniture, cobbed webbed puppets or silent secrets?
Only riddles like Sophia, She murmured as she passed Ian's office.
Oh shit, so she walks the fuss.
Speaker 1So he is office is at the end of a hallway that's full of like unused crosskey ghostridge.
Yeah, ghosts, Ian, you can have the Both of the nice offices.
Speaker 2Are all the corridor of the ghost storage units where they keep all the ghosts.
And she came up there to see Francois.
So she's actually headed to Francois's.
Speaker 1Office, like racism earlier was really uncomfortable.
Just because the potential architect is Venezuelan doesn't.
Speaker 3Mean he's not gonna go.
Speaker 1Yeah, she's gonna go and tell her she's gonna go advocate.
Speaker 2Hey, actually maybe the hr person should be present form okay, uh So then she's thinking back on the girls like not pillow talk, but like chop talk, locker room locker room talk, gossip sessh about Francois.
She's heading up to see he never comes out of the shadows.
Genevieve and Wardrobe insisted when he goes out of the theater, he always wears a hat and a long black coat and white gloves.
Maybe they are not gloves at all, but he's skiing.
Speaker 3France wall is the puppet master.
Speaker 2Bloodless skiing of the undead.
So the girls in Wardrobe are like ghost stories about their surmising that he's a vampire, so they call him Count Francois.
So all the girls in the wardrobe department call him Count Francois because he's very handsome, but he's so pale those white gloves.
Speaker 1Claudio worked in wardrobe.
M hmm, so they maybe he didn't like her nicknaming him Count Francois.
He killed her and he's also the puppet mass.
Speaker 2The stab wounds cover up the holes in her neck.
He is a vampire and he drank her blood, but then he sliced her up so she wouldn't rise again.
Speaker 1Is it undead?
Speaker 2Okay?
Yeah, so she she starts to think about him like, ooh, he reminds me of No, She's like Francois was a spooky man, Katerina couldn't deny it, but certainly not an undead thing.
He was more like the Italian Merchant, a figure of mystery from a legend.
Bunny, so her fucking obsession.
Speaker 1Remember the Italian Merchant, Yeah, gena, I'll make your dear Yeah.
Speaker 2The puppet guy who had Little Mignon come to life.
Bought magical goulden thread like like Jack and the Bean sock from an Italian merchant because you know Italians are magic.
That's right, ever, you bog, that's your fulfillment of your deepest desire, your puppet to come a life, so you can fuck it's a change for this theater that you own.
Yeah.
So Katerina consistently is obsessed with this legend that she tells every day to children.
Speaker 1Yeah, and so she's well the masses, yeah, but she's working in the theater.
Speaker 2It's weird.
It's it's very obsessive of this legend of Genevic or whatever his name is and the Italians with She's like obsessed with this concept.
That's why I'm wondering if this phantom double phantom situation is going to happen.
All right, So she walks in and catches Yeah, like he's literally got poor snack of money under one arm, like with a big dollar sign on it on the ground, raccoon burglar out like har fits on.
She's like, what are you doing?
Raoul snatched his dark head up, don't worry about it for an instant he chokes her.
He bashes her head heads.
Speaker 3Along and then puts a bontet on.
Speaker 2To cover the weeping wound mine under her ear for an instant.
Katerina thought she saw a flicker of guilt in his eyes, a child caught with his head in the kuki jar.
But he vanished, It vanished swiftly.
A second later he had her I read this, has had her hair.
He had her by the wrist and was setting her firmly against the office wall.
Oh the cat didn't move.
Oh, there's a little kitty.
There's a kitty cat, Francoise, kitty cat outside the room.
That's important later somehow, it doesn't well funny that you should say that it doesn't actively snitch.
But okay, so the cat didn't move, Kurt, Katerina didn't breathe.
It was a ridiculous time to notice.
But Sophia was right.
Raoul did have beautiful, riveting eyes.
So she she catches him stealing.
He shoves her up against the wall and she's like, no, silly to notice it now, But oh, my god, his eyes are so beautiful.
No, we might kill me, but it's so hard, my god.
I hope he does kill me, and then he will be eats me afterwards.
Edward Edward head first.
Speaker 5Head first, headward, God, he's Edward Colin, headward in a sexual capacity.
Speaker 2That's so funny.
All right.
Speaker 3So she's like lingas he's like, you should you shouldn't.
Speaker 2Be head first, Edward.
H no, if we ever fucking talked about in the middle, he starts chewing on her thigh and she goes now and a manaespecially freak out special content.
Speaker 3This is from like at least fifteen.
Speaker 2Yeah, this is back.
We were in a loft Poison Ivy, Poison IVY starting to barrymore.
Yeah, because it was the original was Tom Barry or Drew Berry Moore, Tom Scarett, It might have been Poison Ivy two, they're all the same.
Speaker 1We were not watching the original Poison IVY, but we were watching one of the other Poison ivies and it's really erotic like porn.
Speaker 3But yeah, it took it to like the next level there.
You told me it was n C seventeen.
I would have been like.
Speaker 2If there was an n C seventy cut of it somewhere, I wouldn't have been surprised.
Speaker 3So, yeah, someone's like giving her head or whatever.
Speaker 2You don't need to know anything.
But it's just just like it's sort of Lolita, like younger women's soft gorous.
Speaker 1Soft corn soft porn, soft core porn, so like you don't even see nipple, Like you don't see She's in like a full lingerie and they are simulating and they're cuddling.
Speaker 3He is so obviously just gnawing.
Speaker 2His face is nowhere near her, and I was like, he's just binding her side.
That's not how you'll do it.
All the is going on.
Speaker 3I don't remember which one of us.
Speaker 2Yeah it was, and then I just we were portraying the water now in mana we I think as our pants just so fucked, so stupid, and from from then on we will.
Speaker 3It makes me laugh every time we still say it.
Speaker 2Oh yeah.
And so this this is one of those story scenarios where uh slams her into the wall and she's like, oh my god, he's so in the mid he punches and he patches her head against the no, no in the man Okay, So she says, He's like, you shouldn't be up here, and he goes, don't ask me to explain this, and she goes, okay, please put your gonna She's like, explain what you're robbing Franzois's office.
I know what's happening.
Oh no, she catches him like three robberies.
Duck, there's another office.
I guess i'd better, you know, he fucking just like drags all this furniture out of all.
Okay, you have to trust me.
This isn't what it seems.
And he and she says, talk to me, please.
I won't turn you, Raoul, turn you in, Raoul.
You know I won't.
He let out a deep breath, pressing his forehead for a moment against hers.
Well, he again still has her pined against a.
Speaker 3Wall, and he's still sick.
Speaker 2He is still sick.
Yes, you believe me, and I don't even know why.
Because you're hot.
I'm grateful for that, but you're missing something important here.
Every question I answer will only put you in greater danger.
I started this, but it can't go any And then she's like, no, tell me, and he's like, okay, this theft is necessary to cover up a similar one in Renshaw's office.
Blah blah blah blah.
You robbed Ian two.
That probably shouldn't shock her, but it did.
Why because he came in unexpectedly when I was searching.
Then he saw you.
She stopped as Roll gave his head a slow shake.
He didn't see you, She finished, Her momentary confusion cleared, Suddenly, you mean you knocked him out?
Yes, and then to make it look like a burglary, I went through his office and Pierre Fussards and now this one.
It made sense.
It wasn't ethicult, but ethics didn't concern Katerina right then.
Speaker 1Now, when you're hot, ethics are all the winter.
Speaker 2I think that's pretty privilege, so true, so real as I mean, if the guy was hot enough, I would definitely be like, tell me everything.
I believe you, the earth is flying, You're right.
I should kill myself and let you get away with it.
Sucker for her pretty face always have been Yeah, Aaron, it wasn't ethical, but ethics didn't concern Katerina right then.
As strange as it seemed, nothing mattered except proving Rabus innocent.
Speaker 1Yeah, Crime after crime after crime.
Speaker 2Is four or five crimes deep.
Speaker 1He lives in the sewers.
Speaker 2Your job.
The first time you saw him, he was like, got gotcha.
Speaker 3He's Danny DeVito's penguin.
Speaker 2He fucking lives in the sewer.
He robs, he lurks, he's evading the police.
He's the number one suspect in a recent homicide.
Speaker 3He's a batman villain.
Speaker 2Yeah, he's fucking if I love solve a riddle before he let her live.
He only could be more ghoulish.
And she's like, but he's hot.
I love him.
The sound of footsteps echoed far away in the hall.
The cat meowed loudly and took off down the corridor.
To Katerina's head snapped up.
Someone was coming.
She grabbed Rawooda's arm, but he had already heard okay, and I wrote the word cockmatized here.
Speaker 1She is hard.
Speaker 2So she now not only is not going to tell on him for the let's call it the fifth crime that she's seen him commit, she says, I'll try to stow them, and she she decides she's gons accomplice.
Now she's an accomplice.
Speaker 4Yeah, so.
Speaker 2Uh, She's just like, I just can't let this happen.
I can't let him get caught.
I believe him, and so I'm gonna protect him.
Speaker 1Does he crawled back in his hole behind the wardrobe.
Speaker 2And she's like Luther said, I was good at I was good at get Yeah, people's intentions.
Speaker 1He's like the guy from the Shining Yes, that's what I picture Luther.
Speaker 2Is, yes, for sure, Stay calm now, Caddie, she thought.
She tossed her hair and slipped into the right angled passageway.
But then a noise erupted from one of the branch corridors, and she froze.
Who else was up here?
Pierre obviously wondered the same thing.
He stopped walking.
Oh, so it's Pierre down the hallway.
Katerina didn't move.
She didn't want to attract his attention prematurely.
So there's like someone else in the rafters up here with them, so and so, and now.
Speaker 1The are in the rafters.
Speaker 2Yeah.
So now Pierre is up there and is looking down the hallway and hears like someone else off in the rafters somewhere.
So there's four people up here.
It's Katerina, Rahul someone in the darkness, and Sophia drops from the sea.
He throws a bag of eggs like into his face.
Stop with the eggs.
Katerina didn't move.
She didn't want to attract his attention prematurely.
Her fingers curled into a fist where they rested on the wall.
Do something, she willed him, see who's making the noise?
Rabu needs time to get away She's not thinking of herself.
She just wants him to see someone else and get distracted.
Francois, is that you?
Okay?
So now Pierre sees Francois rummaging around in the fucking rafters of the building.
Speaker 1Ew the vampire man.
Speaker 2Yeah so yeah, so there's four people up here, and this is where he finds another secret passage.
Speaker 1Also, imagine going up to your office and your business partner is scurreying in the.
Speaker 2Like and like secret passage was I.
Speaker 3Have to buy him out.
Speaker 2A chill slid down her spine, fear, not for all the horror she knew, but for the one she didn't.
This theater was a magic place, and yet a woman had been murdered here, killed by someone who still wandered about freely, someone who might decide they even need to kill a game.
She's like up there in the dark and is realizing, like, I'm like now involved in people looking into murders in this theater.
It's like she's realizing it for the first time.
If Raoul didn't do it.
Speaker 3The consequences are very serious.
What you're fucking with here?
Speaker 2Yeah, if Raoul didn't do it, then the person who did is it probably here in the building somewhere it's one of these people and not in the vaults.
And not in the vaults, yeah, because because he lives down there with many others.
Okay, So Pierre scolds Francois and then is basically like bitching about, Like he's like, if you're rummage around, if here, you're gonna knock stuff around, and you're gonna damage these doors, and where will we get the money necessary to restore that many rooms along here?
Oh?
Speaker 1And then France Will is like, well, we've just been robbed and I saw the whole thing.
Speaker 2No, then he says, you have the money, my friend, Francois replied, So he seemed to insinuate that Francois is rich, And that just just stuck out to me that he said that.
There was a mocking edge to his voice.
There always was, though Katerina never really understood it.
So these two like seem to not like each other very much.
Truthfully, she didn't understand their whole partnership.
Yeah, okay, so this of course immediately made made me be like, okyah, it's two grown men, they argue like a married couple.
Yeah, yeah, they own a puppet theater together.
Paris like, okay, it's all I'm saying.
They might be a little couple here.
Speaker 3They have a summer home in Miami.
Speaker 2If ever, two people appeared to not like each other, these men were the ones.
But what if that was even deeper than that?
What if neither of them thought Rabul killed Claudia.
Maybe each one suspected the other.
So she's eavesdropping on the two of them.
Now she's in the dark.
There's a murderer on the loose.
She's realizing she's now like involved.
Speaker 3And standing in the rubble of two looted.
Speaker 2Offices in a building full like of Swiss cheese secret passages with her prints all Scooby doo arm could come out, ye rabber into the darkness at anytime, all right.
So Pierre is like, where's your cat?
I'm a dais.
Francois chuckled.
I have not seen him.
Why because I saw the wretched creature he ran.
So he describes the cat ran past him but hasn't come back, and he's like, I want to know if your cat is in the fucking walls.
And then Francois is like, oh, you think I found a secret passage in here that you don't know about, and he's like, no, I don't think you found secret passages.
I don't care about secret passages, but but do care if they did tell me husband.
Speaker 1Secrets of each other were partners business partners and only roommates.
Yes, so.
Speaker 2They're wearing each other's shirts like okay, So so he says, no, I don't care about secret passageways.
I uh.
He says that he thinks that the building might be settling and that the cat has like gotten into the walls through like an opening, and I just want to know the wall.
So they get onto this arguing about you could pass away, and he's like, you don't give a shit about the cat.
Like by they're just kind of bitching at each other.
But then but the Caddy listens to them like bicker at each other about walls and architects and costs and just goes, what a spooky conversation.
Get out of here, Caddy now.
And then she like tries to make it down the hallway.
They hear her.
Speaker 3Is Luther's voice in her head again?
Speaker 2Yeah?
She runs down the hallway.
They hear her going by, and one of them goes, oh, mice, you know in the hallway and then she makes it around the corner just in time for them to come around the corner, and so she has to do that thing where she's going away from them, and then she swirls around.
No, I'm coming towards you.
So she's trying to make it back out, but then she gets cal god, I just she has to be like, oh, I just got here.
So it's like they're going down the hallway one way and if she could make it around a corner, she could escape, but she doesn't, so that she has to spin around and be like, I just came up here to find you.
Yeah, I came up here to look for you.
And she has his letters, that's what she brought.
They were given to her by mistake, and that is why she came up here originally.
But there's this great moment where she's like making eye contact with Pierre and Francois and like do they know?
Do they know that I was up here before?
Like but she doesn't know.
She can't like read their faces.
So I thought it was great.
It was a great little bit of like, yeah, back and forth intrigues, subterfuge, like who knows what about?
Who did you catch?
Me and are not letting on.
Speaker 1I love it.
Speaker 3Yeah, it was all great, dispenseful.
Speaker 2Yeah, this whole like little segment was all really nicely done.
Uh.
And then but essentially at the end of it, she seems to have gotten away with it.
Okay, it grows late.
You should change your costume.
That Bet will return from dinner soon, and then the mirrors will be lost to both you and Louise.
Please let route will have gotten away.
Katerina nodded, you're right, of course, I'll go now.
I hope you break a leg tonight, Pierre mart remarked in parting, and as she turned away, Katerina prey, that was the worst thing that would happen to her.
Oh shit, So there's so that that chapter is.
This is a great little game of cat and mouse in the shadows.
But again, the ridiculous thing is that she has decided to throw herself into intrigue and harm's way.
Speaker 1With like not really questioning.
No, she didn't like this, this is happening now.
Speaker 2She didn't even think maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
No, not really immediately jumps to raw Wolf's hot defense.
Speaker 3Yeah, the second she sees him, it's game over.
Speaker 1If she had only, like I feel like, if there had been more lead up to the like then bumped into each other of the first fucking chapter, we could have gotten there.
Speaker 2She heard him like playing music down there, and she was like, I'm going down there to find the music.
Yeah, she had heard it.
It wasn't like she heard it for weeks and finally was like she was the first time.
Yeah, so she heard it and went down there like like like she was possessed.
Speaker 1But these books are short, so we don't have.
Speaker 2We don't know after the last one.
I'm here for it.
Would rather a book be underwritten?
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Amanda, let's stop the smunt for just a moment.
Run some ads.
Oh, enough of this.
Speaker 6Ian the puppet Master warned, your complaints, grotiaresome.
Speaker 2You're just gonna do the puppet Master as Emperor Palpatine, possibly because you aren't suffering the after effects of a blow to the head, Ian thought, with a spite.
He didn't dare display.
They walked in picturesque monmart today Mountain of Martyrs?
Was there a message in that I inside?
There was sunshine on his face and a cemetery at his side.
The person in charge had a malicious sense of humor.
So he's brought him here to a place called Mountain of Martyrs and is having a chat with him by a cemetery.
And Ian is so paranoid that he's like.
Speaker 1It will or would be so funny if this guy turned out to be Francois and he didn't know they were the same person, because at work, Francois is always like shrouded the dark darkness and wears like a big hat.
Speaker 2And there's white gloves.
Oh, in the last chapter she did see that, and this might and why I'm bringing this up, this is a mystery book.
It could be a clue is that those are white gloves.
And his skin tone is very olive, so he's not actually super pale.
He just hides in the shadows and wears white gloves and is very a feet and vampire ish.
Got it?
Yeah, we verge on an important time, he remarked, finally, gazing out to the unripened vines beneath that impassive surface beat a scorpion's heart.
He hadn't even asked about Ian's injuries.
Speaker 6Many parties I held this menth he went on, you receive the doubt if you praise name and address I Christ.
Speaker 2Your thief did not steal this.
Now he mocked the incident, infumed, but said calmly, I have it good, then proceed as sense.
So Ian is like, wait, we're not gonna try and figure out who robbed me?
Speaker 7And he's like, ship, no, you dumb ship.
We're not bringing the cops in here.
That's essentially what he says.
Do I make myself clean in three days?
Speaker 6The Fontaines of Argentina I have planned, yes, that to celebrate that engagement.
Speaker 1Of that, the Fontanes of Argentina are coming here to do their party, their engagement party at.
Speaker 2The the King of Austria is cunning.
No, this is like modern All the Habsburgs are dead by this.
What Oh no, wait, there is one line of them, isn't there through France.
There's a little lingering in France.
Oh lord, okay, yeah, So the Fontaines are coming Desmond withd host there and you will spring geta at the chateau in Versay and these festivities we shell at tin.
Perhaps I will bring a date this time.
I have not decided date affair.
I will give you your instructions.
Speaker 6Now we will wait on the other you mull pass my orders, allowed to out troop this evening.
Speaker 2Eddian, you will watch Babet closely.
Inde, you will watch Babet closely in this and Ian looks over at the cemetery and is like, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1I boss, Yeah, I'm not dying on this.
Speaker 2Okay, And now we get to the real magic of this evening.
Bad Bet is drunk and so pissed off and throwing a fucking fit in the back room tantrum.
Oh, pretend me.
How does Giovanni bring his behevid Migno to the ife with the golden threads given to him by the Italian merchant, truly Maggie.
So she's screaming at Katerina about the myth that they tell tourists every day, and that's just how this starts.
I swear to God, I'm shy.
I am so excited to read this chapter to you because it comes in really hot and is so funny and confusing.
Okay, So she's screaming at her, and then Katerina has a little like flashback where she's like, everything seems chill after what happened.
So all the excitement after the robberies, after all the excitement after the robberies can died down quickly.
No mention of ra will Senna as a possible suspect.
Okay, so she's like sweet and and Philip described it as described it away as bad publicity.
Philip had informed her Riley the morning after, We'll have none of that in this theater.
Speaker 3Ham Hambone smile dazzled.
Speaker 2So what do you say, love dinner tonight?
I have it all arranged, dinner and stories and mysteries from another time.
I know how much you enjoyed it.
Yes, she did, and Giovanni's legend most of all, Philip did know.
Speaker 1After working all day in the minds of Giovanni's legend, I have arranged a very special night for you to experience Giovanni's legend at a different restaurant.
Speaker 2She's like that, fuck, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1The thing I've always wanted.
Speaker 2It's a thing I want most in the world.
Okay, okay, so she gets super excited about it.
She's like, you really know how to tempt me for that selfish reason, plus plus a few more disturbing ones.
She accepted his invitation last night, and as a result had to deal with Babette's jealous fury tonight.
Speaker 1I a breakup to keep body Worlds exhibit.
I really wanted to see it.
This an expensive ticket.
Speaker 2Did you tell Phelipe how Giovanni took the gold threads from the merchant and prayed me to Mino's hair?
Bet demanded, did you go further and pretend to be Minno for him?
With her free hand, she grabbed Katerina's arm, pulling her to a stop in the deserted corinor so she's assaulting her?
Black eyes glared, I hate you, Kaina had her arm free feelings mutual bad bed feelings?
Hack?
What do you know of feelings?
What do you know anything?
What?
Enough?
Katerina started walking.
Don't touch me, she warned.
When bet Bet would have grabbed her again, the woman's hand fell.
There was a slash of wine and then a venomous way.
Did you go to Philip's apartment?
Did he fuck you?
Did you let him fuck your ass?
Let me smell yours?
You smell that hambleton?
Speaker 1Why is she okay?
Speaker 2No, no explanation is given.
They weren't like fiances or like she just really likes him.
Speaker 1Did you tell Philip again how Giovanni took the gold threads from the merchant into Mignon's air.
Speaker 3I think she go further and pretend to be Mignon for him.
Speaker 2When did you play like a little puppet for him?
Okay puppet?
Speaker 1I think she thinks that Caddie is fucking Philip to somehow get the role of Mignon.
Speaker 2Yeah, I think, And that.
Speaker 3Might be where this is coming from.
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, you know so much about Giovanni's ghost story.
Did you just like ride Phillip's dick while telling him.
Speaker 2All about its spreads?
Speaker 3Braided into Mignol's hair?
Did you dress up like discussed?
Speaker 2But she is I feel like she is also like like teasing her for believing in it so much or I don't know.
I'm not totally sure what's up with, but she's fucking losing it, Mensieur Philip Hambleton.
That made a dramatic gesture.
Her voice was slurred.
Now you're what you're wrong?
Uneven footsteps carried her to the nearest seat and empty plant set stand next to the mini fridge, and again, now created.
Speaker 3Are sneakers up above?
Speaker 1I have put them all in sneakers and her Pepsi branded windbreaker hanging in the clouds.
Speaker 2Then they have slowly morphed back into medieval characters and then snapped back again with the interest of the entrance of this mini fridge.
Incredible, it's a it's it is Philip's father who makes the money.
He depends upon Papa's good will.
Katerina glanced over.
Are you still and you still right?
Speaker 1The moneyed what was it?
The moneyed only son?
Speaker 2What did they call him?
Speaker 1Spoiled moneyed only son?
The spoiled son only son of a father?
So the spoiled only son of a moneyed father?
Speaker 2Yes, and you so.
Katerine is like, if he's so, if he's actually poor, and just says daddy's mummy money used to want him, and she goes, I love he?
Oh no, you don't.
It doesn't sound like you do.
What do you know of lava anything?
Katerina sent her a sullen look and tossed on a Sienna tank top to match up her sledge socks and.
Speaker 3Ankle Bet said she loved him, yeah wow, sent.
Speaker 2Her a sullen look as she tugged on a Sienna tank top and picked up her slouch socks and ankle boots.
What she meant it.
Speaker 1You add that that's Katerina sent her a sullen look as she tugged on a Sienna tank top that's the collar and picked up her slouch socks and ankle boots.
Speaker 2But I love that she's dressed like a fucking like Flash Dance.
Awesome, yeah she no, she has just lets her like the chick from Flash Dance.
I do not need Philips money.
That that went on with pride.
The wine bottle dropped to the floor.
Speaker 3I'm a thief.
Speaker 2I'm good.
She's fucking so close to confessing.
No, oh yeah, rolled away.
She tapped her chest with her fist.
Speaker 1I have my own.
Well, okay, the why are you working triple shifts at the fucking puppet factory?
Speaker 2And the puppet factory like the old spaghetti factory.
You have this all kitchen and amp flare that they have to wear so much flair and they cover out and they're like this puppet is one of Giovanni's first works.
Would you like a filet mignon?
And they have like a whole like menu that's up it themed?
You like the Mary and Nette noodles.
Speaker 1And the every table that she has.
Does that thing that I hate the most as a server or tender, which is when you go up and you say hello and you like introduce yourself, and they.
Speaker 3Just go like diet coke.
Speaker 1So she comes up to do this whole thing that management makes her to corporate makes her do the bit about mignon and when you like the filet mignon, and they just go die coke.
Speaker 2Because of course they want as much as because it keeps him so trim.
But but it doesn't keep you trim.
It's not magic.
So then bad that has this like bizarre shift in tone and goes my mother as a peasant Chatterina is like, what the fuck what?
And she just keeps going.
She's fit passion.
Do you believe she is happy to be poor?
I think she is stupid.
Wow, why you just said she's happy?
I also said she was paw.
Do you understand all day she washes other people's dirt, and all night she prays and reads her Bible.
So that pulled out a turkey leg, scowl, nothing else, clowns, no jewels, okay if I'm whare, and then goes on she pleg to just have a turkey.
She pulls a turkey leg out of the fucking air and fucking shoes on a turkey leg.
Speaker 8While giving this next speech me, I have a dog.
Damn, damn, damn, I am going paces I will die in this Scotch.
Cloudy and I would go after her performance to Wed.
She's just eating this turkey lag while just flying off the handle.
Speaker 2Cloud Yeah, she was my fland and now she is dead.
And so I go to him and I ask with whom we look now?
So she's like drunkenly gnawing renaissance turkey leg, admitting that she worked with Cloudy at and then Katherine is like, what the fuck is happening?
Wow, she just mowing down a turkey leg that she pulled out of the fucking air, his hat in her hand.
I laughed so fucking hard when I read that she materialized a turkey leg, that.
Speaker 3Bit pulled out a turkey legs and.
Speaker 1Pulled a leg.
Speaker 2And he never comes up.
She just has this turkey leg and starts chewing on it.
And I went back and like reread, and I'm like, wait, was she had did she have like a meal or a basket or something in her hand or did this where did the turkey leg come from?
And and and this time reading it, I noticed the mini fridge, so maybe she got it out of them.
There was just raw turkey sitting out the.
Speaker 1Oh okay, bending over, yanked, opened the refrigerator door and began rummaging around inside.
Speaker 3Yeah, my mother is a peasant, so.
Speaker 1She's screaming this, I think over her shoulder.
Speaker 2So I read it to you the way that I had originally read it.
My god, I missed the I just wanted to give you The author does describe where the where the thing came from, but I didn't miss it.
I missed it.
So I just wanted to read it to you the way that it happened to me better, where a turkey leg just materialized out of nowhere.
But in full fairness to Jenner Ryan, that is not correct.
She did rummage in the minute, yes, but I fully pictured it.
That's coming out of her broth.
I misreading or just like Skimmy, thank you for that gift.
You're very welcome.
I really wanted to share that with you.
Amazing turkey leg just appeared.
Okay, it's not but so okay.
Also, shockingly, she is now gorging herself on turkey.
Drummy, and I will not not be rich.
I'm a good I'm a good thief.
Claudia and I were the best, and now she's dead, a dangerous thieving ring.
Speaker 1And he that he never saw our full potential.
And who will I work for now?
Katherine is like, what the are your drunk?
Speaker 2Psycho?
Where did you get that turkey leg?
Was there a whole turkey leg just in your fucking pocket?
Speaker 3She had reached into one of the vault.
Speaker 2A puppet, Raoul.
Speaker 3Raoul, Raoul is scared that she's gonna he's gonna be found out.
Speaker 2Yes, a turkey leg, which he gratefully choose to immediately.
Oh, thank god, turkey leg.
Okay, he's not fat that that insisted making an abrupt motion with a half naked drumstick.
She did nothing wrong.
Claudia did not to make mistakes, So you see I must have been the architect of Canada, Raoul, send it.
Wait, no, Caterine say silent at this point, I don't let her keep talking.
Speaker 3Yep, let's see how long she can go.
Speaker 2We send it.
Babet continued.
He murdered Cloudia.
He wanted to Besides, who Edison Theater could commit milt?
No one was that a quaver in her voice?
Bad sad Katerina catches on that Bebet is like trying to convince herself that that indeed we have only one suspect.
There couldn't be another suspect.
Speaker 3Do you think Babet did it?
Speaker 6No?
Speaker 2I think that Babet really deep that she's going to be next, knows who did it.
Yeah, and knows the Cloudia got killed to cover up the thieving.
Yeah, and know and thinks that she.
Speaker 1And no wonder she's freaking out so much because if she makes a single mistake, it'll be her.
Speaker 2Get rid of her.
Yeah, they have someone already on the run to blame it on.
Yikes.
So so Katerina is like trying to get her to just keep fucking bitch.
I tell you she did nothing wrong.
We worked together.
I know he's worked, Katerina repeated.
Here at the theater now, that's where she sucks up and back is like, oh, how naive are you?
And then realizes like and then and this was actually like genuinely a little scary.
Katerina looked left and saw a face in the doorway, bland features and then part of a brown jacket.
Ian.
He was gone now, but the smell of French cigarette wafted in.
Speaker 1No, he overheard the whole thing.
Speaker 2She didn't get a good look at him.
Maybe it was Ian, but we just see, so anyone can smoke French cigarettes.
Speaker 1So someone over Philip had gone into his office earlier, and when he was doing that whole bit of like drinking his booze, he smoked one of his cigarettes.
Speaker 3Okay, I don't trust Philip at all.
Speaker 2No, Philip smoked a French that's right.
Speaker 1He is.
And Philip, who's known as the spoiled only son of a moneyed father, he doesn't even have his own.
Speaker 2Wealth, any of his own money.
Maybe Daddy cut him off because he's like, you can't waste your life in a puppet theater, Like you can't, Like, no son of mine is gonna be a fucking puppet theater.
I'm so fuck daddy.
I love Daddy, I love Mignon.
Speaker 3I just want to prayer and a lie.
Speaker 2I want to bring it a life in my see Daddy, And you're like, I should not fuck my cousin.
Speaker 3No, so it's Philip right.
I don't know Philip.
Speaker 2I just thought that it was an interesting and Philip.
Speaker 3More evidence, Page eighteen.
Speaker 1Puppets Philip Gordon Hambleton was one of the company's performance puppeteers and a prime investor in the current production.
Speaker 2Interesting, so he wanted he wanted the fucking puppet Mignon thing to happen.
Okay, he wanted it bad.
He wanted it real bad.
Speaker 1Himself is a puppeteer.
I bet his dad is ashamed of him do that.
Speaker 2How could he not be?
How could he not be?
Speaker 3His son is a puppeteer.
Speaker 2Haarras the gayest city in the world.
Speaker 3Philip is for sure the puppet master.
Speaker 2So that's why, that's why I wanted to give you that the way it specifically the way that it's written, where we see the face in the doorway Bland features.
So she's just getting a little.
Speaker 1Bit supposed we're supposed to think it's Ian.
Speaker 2And then Ian comes in later like there's a little beat and then Ian comes in.
But I'm just like, that wasn't necessarily Ian.
They had plenty of time for Ian to walk up after that.
So I just think it's interesting.
So if ba Bett turns up dead, I think we're supposed to be like, oo, he shut her up because she's a loose end.
But that we don't know who that face was.
For sure.
I just wanted to present it because it's a mystery.
Speaker 1Katerina's lover is a serial murderer, tear God.
Speaker 2But she's also a serial murderer.
Speaker 1Well, I think she's at least killed her husband.
But she might have killed her parents, but they died.
Chose four probably Well, hey, it could happen.
Speaker 2She could have killed she might have killed yeah, parents to her Luther, Luther.
Speaker 1She killed Luther.
Speaker 3She lost Luther and her husband in like the same month.
Speaker 2And she liked Luth lost it.
Speaker 3She finally snapped, fled to Paris to be a puppet so.
Speaker 2Much more violent than it's gonna be.
It's just gonna turn out to be like Pierre or something.
I know, but I know.
And then it also gives Katerina a perfect get out.
Speaker 1Of jail free card when she chooses wrong.
Speaker 2Or she chooses Raoul, and then it turns out that he was the puppet master and true love kept her from getting stabbed.
Speaker 4No, it was Raoul and Katerina is a serial murderer, so they're perfect together.
Speaker 3She wanted to choose the murder.
Speaker 2She needs to get her job.
Speaker 3Oh no, Claudia work in wardrobe.
Speaker 2Eh, you have failed, but she could have been a dozing I need both of the jobs you work at the puppet theater In twenty four seven, the puppet minds.
The puppet minds back to the mine.
I need to have this all the puppet water.
Uh so then knock, knock, knock, Ian, may I come in?
Ian's polite voice inquired.
There's a whole paragraph of them of Babbett backpedaling after she realizes she said to him mm hmmm.
And then Ian comes in, so he so again, I think there is a slight possibility that it was someone else and that Ian just happens to have arrived.
And then but but Babbett and Katerina are like, oh, it's too convenient.
Ian showing up just as be Bet was running off at the mouth, and she's like, whoa he, I wonder if he's in on it, overheard her.
Speaker 6And then.
Speaker 2But she kind of sneaks out and he offers her a ride home.
Ian offers Katerina a ride home, probably to hear her talk some more about what bet Bet was talking about.
The Katerina is like not good bye and.
Speaker 1Goes and gets a taxi, but then she doesn't want to go home.
Speaker 2She's like, I just feel I feel so amped up after all these things that have happened, you know, and I want to I want to be around people.
I want to go to a cafe.
I want to like.
I don't want to be alone.
I just want to, like, go and enjoy some humanity.
The Paris knight glowed around her.
Soft breeze is blue.
Off the scene, she thin she caught the scent of lilacs in the air.
In her mind, she saw Raoul's eyes, clear and dark and compelling.
Then she saw Philippe a pale imitation.
Wisdom told her to fall in love with Philip.
He encouraged dreams.
Raoul did not.
She shouldn't love a man wanted for murder.
I don't love him, she told herself firmly.
Katerina's head started to hurt.
She needed to think of something else.
What had Babbet said She and Claudia had worked together, and not just at the theater either.
Then there was the alarm in Bebbet's black eyes when Ian came to the door.
There had been a connection there.
Her mother was a peasant.
Babet had money.
Where did she get it?
Katerina looked up at the night sky.
What a complicated world this was, She sighed.
If I were Mignon, I would have stayed with Giovanni in the vaults forever.
But you aren't Mignon.
Sherry, A familiar voice murmured in her eye, Yes, and forever.
It's a very long.
Speaker 3Time, isn't that, Sophia.
Speaker 2No, it's Raul.
She has snuckled out of the vaults.
Speaker 1I wanted it in.
Speaker 2I wanted to be disguise what he's in, like crazy disguise, with like wild face, with like facial hair and mustache, and like she can tell his eyes peering out from inside of this like crazy makeup.
Speaker 1I want the like nineties soap opera movie quality version of this made for TV movie of Papa's.
Speaker 2He's like, He's like, She's like, fucking what if somebody recognizes you?
And he's like, I don't think they will look at me.
So she's like, oh my god.
He said immediately yeah, he's in like crazy makeup.
And then uh and she's like and she sees his eyes, like his expression come through his eyes, and she's like it is him.
She's like, fully, shit, did you do that yourself?
Speaker 1Oh my god.
Speaker 2Then he goes my sister Gina owns a salon.
She says, so she did it or from her.
She says, changed hairs, change appearances.
And he's like and and Katerina just gets obsessed, and she's like, oh, you have a family, huh.
And he's like yeah, and he has like a bunch of siblings and parents and and and all of her parents as dad.
And she has no siblings and her caretakers are dad, and her only friend is dead.
Speaker 3So she's like, ew, that's a turn off.
Speaker 2Now She's like, nah, how come you.
Speaker 3Got all the loved ones and and uh.
Speaker 2So he's like, hmmm, so you have no family?
Uh none, So no one would miss you.
And aunt and uncle and New Orleans.
Oh they're not Dad, but they don't count.
You don't miss your home in America.
I only missed Luther.
He took care of me when I was little.
He was my friend.
He died a month before I left.
I was married for four years, but my husband died too, in an accident.
He was a musician, you know, a guitarist.
Maybe he was good.
I'm not sure if he really knew how far his talent went.
He did drugs.
Speaker 1She said that he said he never did drugs.
Also, you skipped this line.
A blast of hot jazz reached her through the day, and then a closer girl, she'd say the story of.
Speaker 3Her dead husband, and rale just comes.
Speaker 1A blast of hot jazz.
Speaker 2Was married and call it jazz because it comes out of my horn and you never know where it's gonna go hot.
I was married for four years, but my husband died too.
David was a musician, hot jazz in the background, you know, a guitarist.
Maybe he was good.
I'm not sure if he really knew how far his talent went.
He did drugs, then he was a fool.
Speaker 3Ra Will says Jesus.
Speaker 2No, he was lost searching for something.
I think like Mignon, stop saying that.
So, she says her husband was tortured with indecision and a lack of la minio.
Listen, she's been out of the puppet theater for like twenty minutes.
Speaker 3Your husband O d Yeah, and we calmed down?
Speaker 2Can we calm down?
Speaker 1It's not this is actually serious.
It's not puppet serious like real life serious.
Speaker 2Puppets are we life?
They are?
Mira, we hold up to a puppet.
Speaker 1Says someone kill her.
Speaker 2She she is so deranged with this puppet thing.
It's so funny because she's great.
My husband was just like, I couldn't fucking and then I just picture the slow pan over Tora Woll being like, holy shit, ew she bh my god, she's fucking crazy for puppets.
She's like a Disney adult who fucking works at Disney.
She shed aerial tattooed over her heart and she fucking went.
She moved to Florida so she could work at the in the mines of Disney Disney minds, and she gives tours during the day, performs as a princess as like fion.
Oh no, that's dream work.
She performs as like as as like belling the Beast at night, and she she gives and she sleeps on the ground in the suit.
They have their own sewer system, and she's made a little home down there with all the princess merch, all the preppets, and every time something happens, she's like, this is just like when Ariel Earlsola.
Did you know Ursula was played by an academy of war.
Will not stop fucking talking about goddamn Disney ship.
A dude, HER's a Disney adult.
It's it makes a lot of sense her.
Yeah, it's just like someone who is or like a fan that is just like a Marvel kid who goes to work at Universal Studios, lives in a comic book shop, like anybody who devotes there everything to like a fbipet.
Yeah, and ra Will is realizing, like, oh, dude, I might have gotten in bed with a Craze.
I fucked up.
Yeah, but you know what, She's the only ally I've got, and then she fucking delivers I know something, she said, looking up at him now through her lashes.
An unfair tactic, but she wanted to know everything, the truth, from start to finish.
We could talk like batting her lash.
Yeah, we could talk maybe trade information.
Speaker 1Yeah, but first I have to go on this date with philipp He's taking me to this Mignon puppet themed restaurant and I will not no.
Speaker 3You know, it's everything I've ever wanted.
Speaker 2He's his his smile told her he wasn't deceived.
I'm going to regret this, he murmured, But saying no to you doesn't seem to be possible for me.
He looked left.
Where will we do this?
Trade?
By the river?
You will I want to see her face.
She took his hand and tugged my apartments near here.
We can go there and be safe, safe, as I imagine.
Speaker 3He's just in drag like really he's in like he's in an old drag like old drag outfit.
Speaker 2So we've had him try to be sexy, well sick and while in disguise as Albert Einstein now and she's like, oh my god, draped.
Speaker 1In like velvet robes and he has like a huge elaborate wig and then like a hat on the wig and then crazy drag.
Speaker 2Man, super roosy cheese, just aste.
She's like, oh my god, come back to my apartment with me, safe again.
His dark eyes smiled at her.
With his fingers, he stroked the curve of her cheek.
No, Katy, I don't think that you will ever be safe when you are with me.
Oh all right, that's it.
Speaker 3She does have a date with Philip, though it's going back to her.
Speaker 2We're gonna go Blay Mignon and he's little in the in Giovanni the Diddler.
Speaker 3Hmm okay, all right, well that was a lot.
Speaker 2So she takes home this guy in full giche and she's like Oh my god, I can't bear to not see your fucking hot meeting for another second.
Speaker 1I hope we get just an Absolutely, his disgusting makeup is like falling off.
Speaker 2His weird caterpillar eyebrows pushing off.
Speaker 1I want a sex scene in Crancy, in detail, every sight, sound, and smell.
Speaker 2Not pubic hair.
I want to I want to feel the pubic hair stuck between my fucking back Moler.
Yeah, yeah, okay, we will not get that.
There is almost no way we will have anything that ground.
Speaker 1We've been worn.
Speaker 2Shall we insert one in our Let's just like, imagine what would this book be like if it did have if it if it craned just once.
Speaker 1They get the one, bumb bud.
Speaker 2He leaned down and bitter on the glitters, like, we get one.
Speaker 3It's like, okay, it's a harlequin romance making and it's just.
Speaker 1The most sick pray.
Speaker 2He ships on her chest and she's like.
Speaker 3Yeah, they can never hook up on camera again.
So there's just one in the middle.
Speaker 2He says on her side.
Speaker 3She's like, yeahs his drag makeup.
Speaker 2We get one.
We only get one.
Make it count there.
Oh my god, she's a monster.
No she's great, she's great, she's where.
She's a little eerily obsessed with this puppet legend.
Speaker 1I'm still not letting go of the fact that she well, not the fact the possibility that she killed her.
Speaker 2I really think that she is sort of a brownie for I think that she's a little bit she's a little bit of a fangirl for for for puppets, you know what.
I like to imagine that the actual puppet performance has them being just jerked around on their marionette, like like the hand gone wrong.
Shit, I need it, No, I need it.
The episode's running along anyway, No, it's not.
Speaker 1There's editing.
Who could resist watching human puppets act out a tragic love story that had supposedly taken place in this very building six full centuries ago, or listening to the ghost story of Giovanni Varoni, who was still said to roam the dark passages beneath the theater.
Speaker 2That's one sentence.
Should we just put that whole thing a shirt?
Please?
Please?
Look?
Speaker 1Actually?
Speaker 2Actually yes?
Please?
Speaker 1Yes, oh my god, yes.
Speaker 2Yeah, the whole thing, the whole whole thing.
I lost interest.
Speaker 3It's just a white shirt with it in black or black shirt with it in white.
Speaker 2There's no other options, no embellished, maybe a puppet on the back.
Speaker 1Fucking, oh my god, fucking, oh my god.
Speaker 2I lost interest so quickly.
Who could resist a thing that sucks and sounds dumb?
It bar so it keeps going.
It's like, Noah, you everything you add to this makes it more niche You're already answered.
Speaker 1I had written what on top of that pete.
Speaker 2It's like you're already into like points zero zero one percent of the population by the time you get to the third layer of puppet tree to person to.
Speaker 1Puppet to love story, back ghost story to god, not even out of this page, so that we never lose that again.
Speaker 2Oh fuck, Well, we're getting a T shirts with it written on it, and.
Speaker 1You can resist a T shirt with the line from Passages Puppets about human puppets that are also playing puppets and humans.
Speaker 2I'm telling this story about the guy that had a little puppet girl.
Try.
Speaker 1Okay, Well, we'll get the next clumpus in this mystery when we return next week four chapters nine and ten.
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