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No, no, it's it's the true story of Christmas.

Yeah, we did the night before Christmas last year.

Yeah, where Eric read and made a little fire Like the firecracker.

Yeah, I.

Loved.

I thought it was great.

I loved it.

Yeah.

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Listen to.

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Just check it out.

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Every time we have a party at Stonehenge.

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You gotta love these Discord names.

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If you have not listened to Part 1 and Part 2, go back.

Obviously stupid, stupid point, but you know, go back.

Smart point.

Yeah, we went over the actual timeline in Episode 1.

What happened, the whole play by play, play by play.

Yeah.

And then in Part 2, we went over a little bit of the aftermath, Japanese internment camps and some of the conspiracies.

Yeah, like we touched on, like I think it was the first, the first taste of conspiracy and.

Now we're going to go over further conspiracies and further evidence and or lack of evidence.

And then come to.

Our own conclusions, as we do on this.

Well, would we just would we figure out 86th?

It's a anniversary.

No, it's the 808041 to 84th 80.

4th anniversary of Pearl Harbor.

Yeah.

And this obviously is going to be, this is being like this episode is.

Recorded well in.

Advance.

It's obviously recorded in advance, like if you listen to to the Part 2, Part 2 came out the day after.

The.

Anniversary.

So yeah.

So for us, it's only December 5th, but yeah, yeah.

But here we go.

Come out later.

But, and then we also touched on the Greatest Generation and that there are not very many left.

No, do mad respect.

I mean even if you were what, 16 dude, you're you're one O 2.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

Is that right?

That's right.

So.

There's very, very, very few.

There's got to be only like a handful.

Yeah, but this is before like, this is a time where it's like like.

Kids that were there, maybe.

You didn't shy away from hard work.

You weren't like, you know, you couldn't, like, sue someone over your feelings.

Like it was just like.

Yeah, so like, hard times make hard men.

Dude, we went over there in the last episode.

Yeah, dude, it's even even like, I don't even think like, even like I think I like my dad and like.

How old you done?

My dad is 65.

Yeah, and.

She's more like Vietnam.

No, but like he's still like, he still was like, it was still like different.

It wasn't like, it was like, yeah, like, oh, you're hurt.

Like shut the fuck.

Up.

Not like you.

Not like you.

It's what you're saying.

Jorge.

Jeremy OR.

No, I'm not.

My child.

I'm Jeremy.

No, he was.

Looking at me.

He was like I could.

Feel because I didn't, I didn't want to look at Sean and.

Like start a fight.

He was his intention.

As soon as that's why I looked at you, I was like, motherfucker.

I'm like looking at Eric.

I'm like ignoring him.

We might at the end of this episode, sure, because me and Jorge about this about to be brown on brown crime over here.

Not like, you know, Torn Healey's not brown on.

Brown Crown Yeah, seriously, fucking asshole used to be on my side.

I know I still AM.

Catch at me now, like I'm not going to let you slide this.

Well, last time we went over the Stimson diary.

Also the McCollum memo.

Yeah, the very smoking gun asked.

If you were the, obviously you should have listened.

I mean, it's basic evidence.

I mean, there's.

No, I mean it's there's.

No way really around it.

I mean meaning.

Like legit, like it's like, yeah.

Yeah, well, you said basic like it was like, no, I just.

No, no, I mean like basic like.

As in, it's not, it's not a conspiracy.

Like it's not like it's like we're making this shit like real.

It's not a theory.

It's real.

Like homie wrote that shit in his diary and homie put the memo out.

Yeah, like everyone gets the memo.

Yeah.

Or you would think they would get the memo.

Are you really going to tell me the president doesn't get this memo from some high-ranking official?

No, that that brings up another question is, is like how much?

Great question.

Where like does it filter all the way up?

It does.

He's the commander in chief.

He runs the military.

He's the commander in chief for a reason.

He gets the.

Make sense?

He.

Gets the memo.

Yeah, I wonder if that's like that is like like it now it is where the nothing, not everything floats up.

Oh well, they they do have compartmentalized.

Shit, some sort of like.

Yeah, but not war info and and memos about yeah, a potential.

War, yeah, that shit goes through.

Do you remember?

JFK when there were Oswald reports in one of the remote FBI offices.

Yeah, and there were, there were, there were.

That's Oswald went into the FBI office.

Yeah, I remember that.

Yeah.

And then they were like, fucking this guy's crazy.

Just another tip.

Yeah, we get 10,000 he.

Was fucking crazy dude.

The guy was a psycho.

Yeah, but it lends it to the idea or the concept of like maybe it didn't make it.

I mean it's possible.

Right.

Like maybe that's a.

Little that's a little bit different than like a random like aloof man walking into an FBI office.

Like, obviously it's not going to go to JFK, but if it's like this guy's a high-ranking official.

Yeah, and we we established it was a Lieutenant Commander, Doctor McCollum in the intelligence office.

I mean, come on, he's in the intelligence office.

It's not like I'm like, what's going on this?

I'm the secretary at the fucking FBI like field office.

Japanese internment camp.

Secretary, I'm like.

Stop talking like yeah.

Well, here are a couple other conspiracies and OR evidence that goes into it.

One point that's often cited is that the US aircraft carriers the most valuable ships the most.

Expensive.

Massive.

Yes.

Insane.

The top of the technology of war at the moment.

I mean, they're the top of the technology war, like today.

Yeah.

Conspiracy B50 twos and like that kind of shit.

Conspiracy thinkers suggest that Washington might have insured the carriers were away.

Oh, that's right, 'cause they left.

They were gone.

They both carriers left like literally like the day before.

True.

Interesting.

They're like, we can't afford those assets to get lost.

So that's a big part of the conspiracy concept, which is that they're like, OK, good, there's going to be a an attack, but we need to make it seem damaging but not but we're.

Crippling.

Yeah.

We're not going to lose these boys.

Yeah, not crippling.

I mean, that's, that's something that's something you think about.

It's interesting like that the two most valuable assets were gone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And like conveniently.

Yeah, now.

And they left down the fucking and they didn't have the fucking torpedo fucking Nets and and and and and and and and and and.

The anti conspiracy data on this cause it's what we.

Classic Eric.

That's what.

We like what Eric does.

The carriers, which were Enterprise in Lexington, had been dispatched on missions to reinforce outposts.

So they were at Midway and Wake Islands.

And it was a decision made by local commanders and schedules, not by Washington.

So if Washington was in on this conspiracy, yeah, they weren't the ones who ordered them like to be removed in the 1st place.

It was the local commanders, Kimmel and.

But here's the thing.

If Washington gave the local commanders an order, the local commanders still give the order, right?

So they're all like, if there's a conspiracy, then you need the person.

No, no, that's that's what I'm saying.

It's it's like cool.

Like even if Washington was like, hey, we need you to move them, it wouldn't be like, oh, we got to call the guys in the fucking on the ship aren't oh, Washington called.

They're like, oh, the commander told us to leave.

We got to go.

OK.

Yeah.

So from that standpoint, sure.

But obviously the commander of that base is going to give the order always true.

He's Aceo of that base, yeah.

But there would be some sort of documentation that this came.

From I mean, would there be this the fucking 40s bro, I know what documentation what all you got to do.

Is have a letter.

All you got to do is a little.

I got to actually match.

No literally match.

I think the evidence burned up, yeah.

They got bombed, yeah.

This was crazy about conspiracies in the past.

Because there's no, there's no paper trail.

No.

There's still, like, cell phone records, yeah.

Nowadays it's so hard to get, you can't do anything but.

Like we checked his Google history and it's like fucking.

Camera.

Every camera, like city camera, has one on every corner.

Dude, my parents fucking caught.

So did I.

Don't think I guys ever told you this story.

Oh my God no.

My dad was like showing the news a couple times.

What?

What?

So my parents used to live in Tampa, right?

And there was like this slew of like these, like these house robberies, like all there was like, I think you.

Told me about this shit load in.

Tampa in Tampa.

So my my dad comes home and he comes home and like the, I think the door was open or some shit.

Oh yeah, you told me about it.

And he's like, what the fuck?

And my dad's like, my dad's a bat like.

I'd be weirded out by that too though.

He's a bat.

Your front door's.

Open.

Oh no.

So he was like sketch and he was like.

And my mom wasn't home.

And he's like, something's fucking up.

Yeah.

So he's goes and he's, like walking through and like.

Nobody else lives there, just you.

This.

This, my mom and my dad, they had like a bookshelf that pulled out and, like, went into my dad's office.

Yeah.

And so like super.

Spy shit.

Then goes through through this office to their bedroom and like sees like purses and shit all out and he's like what the fuck?

Oh yeah.

He's like fucking freaks out.

Then he hears like the fucking dudes running and he like chases them out.

But they ended up catching the dudes because of my, their Ring camera.

Yeah.

So they literally had them on the Ring camera and they called them and then my dad was like on the news and like they caught the guys that did it.

Like to your testament like the Ring camera, it's like.

You can't get, you can't get away with shit you can't with.

Nobody.

Yeah, I know.

What a bug I.

Got cameras inside my house and really, Yeah, so.

Guns so.

Yeah, that too.

Erica's get some.

Cameras.

No, we got cameras.

OK, good.

Yeah.

Yeah, I have cameras.

All but you need to get yourself.

But I told you last time, our trash cans were stolen.

Oh, you didn't tell me about that.

That is the most petty shit.

Yeah, that's fucking bullshit.

That's petty as fuck dude.

The city, the.

City was like 200 bucks.

And they wouldn't replace it.

200 bucks.

What?

For a trash can.

Two trash cans.

No, it's bullshit.

Isn't that fucked up?

I know, so I got cameras now on my trash can you.

Got like you got like air air tags on your trash.

Can God damn it, man.

Anyways, yeah, yeah, well, I mean, you know, it's a lot different than than it was now, obviously.

I guess that's the point.

It's not the same, but the question then is if Roosevelt were arranging A sacrifice, it's unlikely that he would risk all 8 battleships just to save the 2 carriers.

Right.

Yeah, because they I agree with.

That I don't think he knew the magnitude of that's what could happen or what.

Or maybe they felt like they're like, they're just the Japanese.

Yeah, like, we're fine.

Like what are they going to do?

Yeah, that's what I think.

Like they you didn't expect 2 waves of 200 planes per wave.

Yeah, right.

Like underestimate the capabilities like like, yeah, I mean, they'll do some damage, but it won't be that big of A and maybe maybe they.

Thought Pearl Harbor would be a little bit more ready.

Yeah, or maybe they would like guns would be loaded.

Right.

Like like for example, let's just say Pearl Harbor was full ready.

There would be far less casualties.

Right, yes.

And so then, so OK, let's the planes.

The planes weren't tip to tip.

Yeah.

So I want to actually play that scenario out, right.

Let's say Pearl Harbor was fully ready.

Yeah, they see the planes coming in there.

They say ammo boxes were open or, or everything was loaded.

Yeah, loaded, ready to roll.

Planes weren't tip to tip.

They had the they had the Nets up to stop the torpedoes.

Yeah, what would maybe one or one would have been?

Lost, yeah, but.

You would have had a a a defensive.

Scrambled.

The planes in the in the air.

Scrambled the planes they'd like, right?

Maybe that's it.

That's what I'm saying.

He was expecting them to be because that's why they they issued the alert.

They're like, oh, he probably.

Thought he had more time.

You.

Know that actually makes.

A lot.

Maybe it is a conspiracy.

No, that makes a lot more sense.

It's like, oh, OK, cool.

We'll provoke their attack.

We'll fend them off because we're America.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then then, like, it happens.

And he's like, fuck, they weren't ready at all.

They weren't doing anything.

Yeah.

Because obviously I don't think he would willingly sacrifice 3000 people.

Yeah.

But maybe you thought like, OK, if it's only like a couple 100?

That's an obvious dude.

I mean, imagine you're imagine you have to make that choice of, I mean, it is a sacrifice, obviously get into the war.

To be more sacrifice.

But dude, that might no matter how many that sound, that sound might be right where there is the conspiracy of he's letting it happen.

But then there is the negligence of the commanders who like didn't have it set up.

So it's like both like, and they were like, oh, easy scapegoats because these guys weren't fucking prepared at all.

Yeah, I like this.

Oh boy, is this going to be.

That's where I'm leaning.

This is the stamp of approval here.

We're going to get this in the stands.

It's so much better when we like realize it mid to like.

Like I might be sending an e-mail to The History Channel like real quick.

So, you know, in that sense or in that like vein, some argue that because Washington did not urgently warn Kimmel, in short on the very eve of the attack on December 6th, about the specific threat to Pearl Harbor, it suggests A nefarious intent.

In the morning of December 7th, Washington time, after decoding Japan's final message, US War Department officials scrambled to send a last minute warning to all Pacific commands that war was going to break out.

General George Marshall dispatched the message to Hawaii that morning via commercial telegram.

Oh God, so they had to fly a fucking plane out there.

Warning hostilities imminent and to be on alert.

But this was Washington morning time, so this is before the 1:00 PM thing that we talked about.

Yes.

OK.

But they they had the commercial telegram, so they still had to fly like a prop plane out there.

Tragically due to routing delays in the slow of telegram delivery.

Here we go like the horses, the.

Message was received an hour after the attack began.

Imagine receiving a message the war is imminent.

No shame, we're amidst the war.

But non conspiracy theorists say there's no deliberate hold.

Just too late, too little too late, or whatever the saying is.

Yeah, sure.

Additionally, even the day before December 6th, Roosevelt had personally appealed one more time to Japan's Emperor for Peace, which apparently that message was unanswered by the Emperor of Japan.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, well, yeah, OK.

The day before it was unanswered.

No, she probably never got to him.

Yeah.

I mean, you can't get it.

You you couldn't get a message to fucking Hawaii?

And get what are we joking about like.

Why isn't he responding?

So what do historians conclude about the FDR new conspiracy?

The consensus of mainstream scholars is there's no credible evidence that Roosevelt or his top advisors had specific foreknowledge of the Pearl Harbor attack.

Yeah, see, you lost me in mainstream.

In mainstream I was like, I like went to sleep.

The idea here is yes, they expected war and indeed possibly even wanted Japan to fire their first shot.

But.

They didn't expect Pearl Harbor.

Expecting war somewhere in the Pacific, perhaps the Philippines, is very different than American soil.

Yes, see, But see this is where I think we were really on to something is like.

Yeah.

They expected something to happen, but they also expected everyone to be prepared.

And then so it's like a dual thing of this negligence.

Yeah.

Like these guys were at a fucking luau, like shit faced.

And they're like, that's fine, No one's going to touch us.

We're America.

We're America.

Baby, we're America.

So a couple other points.

The key intelligence failure was that the US code breaker, and this is from, by the way, the Commission that came out.

Got it.

Right.

The key intelligence failure was that the US code Breakers had not cracked Japan's naval operation code in which the Pearl Harbor strike plans were hidden.

They just broke the overall code.

They broke the code like the their political code.

Yes, Correct.

Yes.

And the diplomatic code?

The diplomatic, Yeah.

The Japanese went to great lengths to maintain radio silence among the strike force that was at sea.

So you remember when they disappeared?

Yeah.

Yeah.

They just went radio silent.

Oh, that's smart.

I mean, it's you don't want to.

That's just a smart play, yeah.

Yeah, Washington knew Japan was likely to attack, but they assumed it would be against targets in Asia and or the islands.

In fact, on the very eve of Pearl Harbor, American leaders were more concerned about Thailand or the Philippines.

Hawaii seemingly way too far away.

Yeah, just not likely that that would happen.

Yeah.

So you're not even prepared, OK.

Yeah, yeah.

So it seems like like the mainstream's, it's weird.

It's like the mainstream's like, well, there's nothing wrong, but they were like, they definitely instigated and expected an attack.

Yeah.

Yeah, so it's like, it's like weird.

Like they're agreeing but not agreeing.

Yeah, like there's nothing nefarious here, but they were definitely thought some shit was going.

Well, they thought some shit was going down.

They just again didn't act.

Didn't didn't act and and also didn't expect that it would be.

But I I get why they I get why they came with the, the conclusion of like the, the generals of the Pacific Fleet weren't prepared.

They weren't.

100 Even if there was no conspiracy, they weren't prepared.

Yeah, 100.

If there was a conspiracy, they weren't prepared.

But here's here's the here's the thing that's like, am I responsible if I'm like, OK, let's say, yeah, let's say we're we're best friends and we're in grade school.

Yeah.

And I'm like this picking on and, and everyone knows it and we're like, you know, we're we're 2 popular kids and they're like, oh, these two popular kids.

And I'm just like picking on some motherfucking kid nonstop, nonstop, nonstop, taking his lunch, taking his lunch, taking his lunch, taking his lunch.

And then eventually he goes and like beats the shit out of Eric.

Like, Oh yeah, I knew it was going to happen eventually.

I.

Mean plausible example, but I get where you're going.

Yeah, you get the analogy is like, you know what responsibility lies on the Yeah, like they intentionally you're.

Instigating.

They intentionally provoked.

It Yeah.

Like, they provoked it and I think they knew a threat was happening, but I think that the the data was not transmitted as as fluently as it should have been.

Yeah.

And that's why I think that I think the Pacific Fleet should have been more on alert.

They should have been like, hey, like, shit's getting dicey.

Yeah, like the entire.

War.

Our world is at war.

Yeah, everyone's on air.

You.

Should have been like red alert.

Yeah, at least the fucking ammo.

Bonds be open.

Just load the fucking guys.

Like at a bare minimum, that's.

Derelict or whatever the word is.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean it's.

Negligent.

Yeah, What's that one we did with like the cops?

And they were like, so the negligent, it was like, like, no.

Menu which?

One it can't.

Be remember that remember the the guy who shot the the town bully.

Oh yeah, in the corner, like shot like 60 times.

It was like, and everyone's like, I didn't say shit, see nothing.

But let's bring this forward a little bit and don't ask your opinions.

Russia fully takes over Ukraine.

OK, Yeah, today.

OK, yeah, OK.

Then they decided to take over Poland.

Yeah.

Do we get involved?

Oh, A.

100% what do you we're, we're already involved.

You already?

We already didn't then.

No, I'm saying now.

Now is different.

Now is different, dude.

Now we're already involved.

I mean, we wouldn't get involved.

We're already.

Involved.

I'm talking about troops on the ground.

I'm talking about present day.

I'm saying like I'm trying to put ourselves in Roosevelt's shoes.

Oh, I'm OK.

Yeah.

OK.

Do do I want to get involved?

No.

Would we get involved?

Of course we would, yeah.

Really.

Yes, we're part of the UN, dude.

It's just the way it is.

We're part of.

It but there was no UN back then.

No.

But I know.

Kind of same idea.

I mean, you're not really because not you guys before it.

I wouldn't I I just you.

Before sending American troops to.

France, I just said I don't like it to protect.

The border of France and Poland, Eric.

I would you would.

Yeah.

I just said I don't like it and I don't agree.

Yeah same.

But it would happen because it's not a part of me, because there's there's this also this other theory that it's like this is all a globalist agenda.

It's like, how do you, how do you control the world?

How do you have a one world unification thing?

You know, the way you do it, the United Nations, Yeah.

But.

Also now if you're talking about now in presence, I mean, we have history to look back on and World War Two, you know, that's that's what it was like.

There was multiple countries involved in like look what it kind of like bled into or LED into, but.

The thing is now it's that that.

If you don't step in.

The thing is it we're, we're at a mutually assured destruction point, yeah, where it's like that can't happen because everyone is literally like with the finger on the trigger is like, we'll just almost kill everybody.

It's like, oh, you do this.

We're all.

Technologies.

Let's just.

Blow the let's just blow the Earth up.

So that's why no one will ever do that.

Like, you can make little moves like, OK, cool, they're on the border of Russia.

And like, yeah, you can make, make a move like that.

But if like Russia, even even Putin's not stupid enough to be like, let's start trying to take over like Europe because guess what happens?

England's got nukes.

Fucking US has nukes.

Yeah, everyone's got fucking nukes, dude.

All the major fucking Israel's got fucking nukes.

Like everyone's got fucking these nukes.

But they got China terrifying.

No, but the thing.

And that that's the point.

It's like it never stops, but it's.

Terrifying now?

Yeah, it's a.

Huge 100%.

Mutually assured destruction, meaning that like, cool, if we do this, everyone dies.

Yeah, like the Earth dies.

Exactly.

Is it worth it?

Is it worth it?

Oh, you could try to take over.

Then everyone on the planet dies.

No, it's definitely fucking obviously not worth it's.

Why it won't happen?

But it's not that it won't happen because like these.

Never.

You got psychos behind.

The news No bro.

The new the new war.

The New War.

Here and over there.

No, the new wars are tech wars.

That's the new war.

Yeah, the tech.

It's the tech war.

You manipulate the people via the tech and that's how you do it.

That's the new war.

It's the the new, the, the real wars.

The real wars now they're not fought with fucking bullets, bro.

Yeah, they're fought online.

They're fought with hacking technology.

That's war.

Yeah, like, because no one, everyone's too fucking afraid.

You realize how we only go to war with like little fucking shit hole countries?

Stop.

Their ass out like we don't go to war.

We don't go to war with China if we don't go to war with Russia because we're all fucked.

Yeah, no, I was just wondering what what that would look like in today's.

Well, no.

In today's it would look like fucking it was everybody's game over.

Yeah, it's we all die.

Yeah, like World War 3.

Means we all die.

Depressing.

Yeah, well, not.

Maybe not all die, but like 90% of the planet.

Yeah, yeah.

Like a nuclear.

Yeah, yeah.

Exactly.

And I think most people die, and then what's ever leftover probably won't survive long, unfortunately, Yeah, All infrastructure's gone.

There's everything's done.

Awesome.

Yeah, it's super not fun.

Fuck.

And they're shooting these hypersonic ICBM's like you can't.

What's ICBM?

It's intercontinental ballistic missile, so it's like you.

Can shoot, I can hit Denver and all remote.

And I can shoot a nuke from here to Australia, like, and it's, and it's hypersonic.

So it's, it's travelling faster than the speed of sound.

Yeah.

So you can't stop it.

Like there's, you can't intercept it.

It's 'cause it's, it's travelling at like Mach 5, yeah.

Or at least we could do.

We could intercept like 3.

And then, yeah.

But but you're pretty you're.

315.

Yeah, we're shooting 3.

But like the US, the US is five with 5000 nuclear weapons.

It's it's a why, why are we so?

It's so.

Because we're America.

It's 5.

1000 Why are we so?

It's like you need.

You need like 100 to like and.

Russia's got like 2000, right?

Yeah.

And then China's got fucking thousand.

It's just like.

It's that we know.

Of it's so unnecessary.

Like that's what I'm saying.

Like the levels are so unnecessary.

It's like, ridiculous.

So if you get one Hitler in power.

Yeah, we're fucked.

Everything's fucked.

Yeah, yeah, Like, not like we're fucked.

We'll lose.

Like everyone loses.

We all lose.

Yeah, there's no.

No, everyone loses.

We all.

We all lose them.

We go back, you know, sets us back fucking 2000 years.

Jesus.

Yep, super sad.

Merry Christmas guys, dude.

It's, it's interesting is that even if you look at like, like if you look at, if you look at like, like even at Christmas, even in books, I always just thought it's interesting if you look at even like sci-fi books and like, you know, they talk about the future.

It's, it's interesting.

And I go back to Dune.

I, I've rewatched Dune too and I've read, I've read all of Frank Herbert's books.

I stopped reading.

Is he the one that does Dune?

The Frank Herbert wrote Dune in the 60s and then oh I didn't know that and then he wrote like 6 books and then his son, he died and then his son wrote like 3 books.

OK, so I read all of Frank Herbert's books.

I didn't read his son's books, but in Dune and even in the movies, they do this too.

It's like this is like a this is like a galactic fucking empire, right?

And like they outlawed atomics, like atomic weapons were outlawed like and every but but every family every they had these major houses.

All the major houses have them, but you but you can't use them.

It's like illegal because they're so fucking they're so devastating.

It's like you can literally just you destroy planets.

So that's why it's so funny.

Like even in like, you know, you look at this like oh, this future like even like even in they don't fucking even use them in fake shit this.

Is like too dangerous I.

Know it's too dangerous in fiction, but it's like it's totally cool in real life.

Well, the last part on you know, if Roosevelt knew and we touched about it on it a little bit before, but it does seem like anti conspiracy theorists on it suggests that sacrificing the core of the entire Pacific fleet doesn't really make a lot of sense.

I.

Understand.

Meaning if you were, if you were like, hey, let's get into the war, maybe we shouldn't sacrifice.

3.

1000.

80%, yeah, that was like 80% of the Pacific Fleet understood in that harbor.

And I get it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Almost like a stupid move.

Like a little too much.

And that makes a lot of sense.

But I go back to this point as like what would have happened if they were prepared, if they were at a normal ready state of like, OK, cool.

Like we have defenses and like planes that we can send out quickly.

I don't know, I don't know what happened.

Maybe the same thing happens.

And but I, I get that argument.

That argument does make sense.

It's like, why sacrifice like your own military power, right?

To get into a war that you're going to need the military power.

You probably could have gotten Congress's OK to go into war if they attacked.

Yeah, like some like 1 ship in the middle of the island.

For Midway, yeah.

You know, like a little base.

Yeah.

And that and that's, look, that's a great, that's a good argument, Yeah.

Another claim is that Winston Churchill or the British intelligence knew and didn't warn the US.

Oh.

'Cause they warn the US in it, they're like, don't fucking say shit and.

This is a bit of an offshoot conspiracy theory that Winston Churchill, the British Prime Minister, had advanced knowledge of Pearl Harbor plan and chose not to warn the Americans in order to ensure that they would enter the war and save Britain.

Save.

Their ass.

This theory plays on the fact that Britain did have a sophisticated code breaking operation.

It was called they broke they.

Broke enigma dude.

And a global spy network in that Churchill was desperate for US involvement against Germany.

However, historians find the theory unconvincing.

There's not really any evidence in the archives that had any specific Pearl Harbor warning.

In fact, British code Breakers had not penetrated the main Japanese naval codes prior to Pearl Harbor.

The sharing of intelligence between the US and UK was not as seamless on the Pacific front, but it was way more like in operation on the European front.

Yeah.

Because again, we had talked about how difficult communications are in that time for sure.

So it was a little bit easier to do London to New York compared to New York to Hawaii.

Yeah, yeah.

But it's all it's also to, you know, because I have to play the speculative card is like, yeah, you know, would would England really be like, oh, yeah, we had advance notice.

Yeah, we just didn't tell you and like, let's ruin our relationship.

No, like obviously they wouldn't fucking disclose that.

But another piece of information that most people actually don't know about Pearl Harbor is within 72 hours of Pearl Harbor, Japan attacked Hong Kong.

Oh shit.

And Malaya.

And Singapore?

Damn, they were like on a rampage.

Now, all of those were occupied by the British Empire.

Yeah.

So they're they're in.

That's where the conspiracy.

Kind of.

Overlaps is that, you know, I, I don't know, you know what I mean?

Like it's a little little loosey goosey.

But it's obviously very loose.

But it's pretty wild that they attacked on many fronts.

Yeah, this is like a full scale.

Japan was like, you know.

They were trying to get in good with the axis of evil.

Over the years, various supposed smoking gun documents show secret conversations or messages, like a rumored Churchill Roosevelt secret correspondence about Pearl Harbor, but those have been concluded as forgery letters.

You know what I just thought up, sorry.

And this is, like, slightly off topic.

Well, it's not off topic, but it's like a little little curve.

Yeah.

If the Germans were so obsessed with being the Aryan race.

Why?

Would why would they like?

Why would they be in cahoots with with with Mussolini and and the Japanese?

Totally.

Hey, that's a great point.

Like right?

It's hypocritical it.

Doesn't make any.

It's a little confusing.

It's.

Just purely hypocritical.

It's based on the concept that they just needed help.

Yeah.

Yeah, but it's hypocritical.

And look, we're better than you, but we need help.

But look, we could make, we could be friends.

Yeah.

I don't.

That's not German at all.

I don't know what the.

Fuck, I like it though.

Like it we're.

Going to be the fans.

Sounds Italian.

Actually, look at the cops.

Oh.

I mean they were part of the axis too that.

Works us at Mussolini.

Another conspiracy is that there was a It's called the Deadly Double advertisement.

One famous example arose from a curious advertisement that ran in The New Yorker on November 22nd, 1941.

The ad for a dice game called the Deadly Double, and it featured imagery of people huddled in an air raid shelter and prominently showed the dice with the numbers 12 and seven.

December 7th.

Well first of all, wait, what kind of dice has a 12?

It's a 20 side die.

What the fuck is this?

Like wait, what?

Like you got?

It also had the words a.

Word well.

Two like 2 sixes and.

And then a seven, where's a 7?

There's No 7 can't be on one.

Is this 4 die like?

Actually 4 actually.

The dice just literally said 12 and.

So it was probably like a 20 side die.

Yeah, yeah.

I knew.

I don't even know that exists.

Oh yeah, they have a 20.

Why you guys looking into shit?

Question everything, Eric, especially when you say.

It.

You know why you're like, this is the holes in the holes on in this story, this.

Is not how craps.

Works.

This is not how craps works.

You can't crap out before night.

Yeah.

It also had the words alert and warning on the cover.

After Pearl Harbor, people speculated this was not a coincidence, but it was perhaps a code in an advertising in The New Yorker.

I mean, that's a little, that's just, that's too, that's too loose.

That's like that's like when you find like 10 different clues numbers quote UN quote on on the dollar and you're.

Like, well, I was.

Here's the Masons.

Here's the, here's the calculator, Yeah.

And then this is.

The FBI did investigate it, but ultimately it was found it was just badly timed advertisement.

Yeah.

The deadly double.

The the creator of the ad in the game, Roger Paul Craig, said it was chance that the dice showed

12:00 and 7:00.

I mean, it's, it's soup.

It's so like, yeah, it's, it's too loose.

Yeah, I don't, I don't too loose.

I don't like that one.

I.

Don't.

It's also an advertisement in like The New Yorker.

It's not like an advertisement like on TV.

It'd be different if it was like they're pumping it, yeah.

The game The game flops flopped so horribly.

Obviously, and this is super ironic or weird, the game went under and the business was abandoned and the creator of the game went to work for U.S.

Intelligence.

What?

OK, so now we're on.

Yeah, weird.

Anyways, yeah.

Coincidence.

How?

Do you how do you go from there?

I'm a game maker to be like, put me in the intelligence division, boys.

I'll.

Be your number one friggin spy or.

Something.

Another weird anecdote is that on the morning of the attack, some local Hawaiians tuning their radios might have heard a Japanese voice announcing code phrases about E wind rain, part of a so-called winds code that Japan would broadcast to signal breakdown of negotiations.

Indeed, U.S.

intelligence was listening for such signals.

A winds message indicating war with US was reportedly intercepted on December 4th.

Conspiracy writers have claimed this warning was suppressed or ignored.

However, the significance of the Winds message is still debated.

Some historians think it just it did occur, but it was a misunderstanding and it wasn't necessarily a general alert of war.

OK, OK, still a little loose.

Yeah.

Like some like amateur radio guy like in Hawaii, first of all, like.

I heard that thing.

Hey, who's doing that?

Like the first, First things first, who's like, oh, I'm going

to like tune my radio at 6:00 AM, like.

Fucking another claim or conspiracy is that Kimmel, and we kind of touched on it and leads into this, but that Kimmel in short were the scapegoats of the cover up.

I mean, it's it's a very easy and the fact that they.

Were version of.

That it's the fact that like it's also interesting that they weren't dishonorably discharged, right?

Because like if you're blaming someone for like the loss of 3000 lives, I mean, that's pretty easy dishonorable discharge, right?

It's a pretty cut and dry.

Like you can get dishonorable discharge for like fucking up like something way less than.

That the Roberts Commission heart their harsh verdict essentially ruined their careers and reputations forever.

For.

Obviously for years they lived lived under the stigma of being the officers who failed Pearl Harbor and that's.

Got to suck.

Can you imagine, like even your whole family?

That's when you that's.

When you're all branded, you.

You change your name, you change your name, and then you move to, like, Alaska, Yeah.

Their defense?

They argued that they had never been given the full intelligence picture.

Kimmel pointed out that Washington knew through code breaking that Japan was planning something, and even that Japanese had spies in Hawaii and had been asked to report on fleet movements.

Kimmel and Short were not informed of many of these intercepts.

They insisted that if they had been, they would have increased their alert status.

Yeah.

See, that's why I wish or.

Is he going to say that?

Well, but I also, I, I also wish that there was, like, hardcore journalism back then.

Like, I wish I had, like, an interview with these guys.

Yeah.

Like, tell us everything, you know, like, give us all the juice, OK?

Like if there was like a Netflix fucking special, you know?

But this is the 40s.

So that that exists.

Later investigations during and after the war acknowledged that responsibility was not just two men.

In 1946, congressional inquiry, for example, found mistakes and underestimation all the way up to the the chain of command.

It criticized the War Department and Navy Department for not keeping Hawaii better informed.

Still, those inquiries did hold up or upheld that Kimmel, in short, bore a majority of the blame.

You know, I, I think that one of the things I was thinking about too is if you know that like the rest of the world is at war, wouldn't you try to fortify your communication systems a little bit better?

That's true.

When you want to make it a little more streamline or like efficient, maybe we should be able to communicate with our military bases like quickly.

In the post year, wars and narrative did take hold that Kimmel and Short were scapegoats to protect others and the upper echelons of government.

That sounds about right.

That's that's, that's, that's definitely in the playbook for sure.

This belief gained enough traction that decades later, there were efforts to posthumously rehabilitate the investigation in 19.

That's after.

That after they died, yeah.

In 1995, as part of a review ordered by Congress, the Department of Defense concluded that Kimmel and Short had not been treated fairly and that others shared the blame for Pearl Harbor's unpreparedness.

Oh wow that's weird for the DoD.

I'm figuring as they this is 95 figuring is they fail all audits and like they're super gram and so.

In 991999, the US Senate passed a non binding resolution exonerating Kimmel in General short, stating that they had performed their duties competently and that the failure at Pearl Harbor was not solely because of the.

Their what was the failure because.

The resolution asked the president to restore their ranks after their death in 99.

While the ranks were not officially restored, the resolution reflected a historical reconsideration, and by the end of the 20th century, the US government essentially acknowledged that those two officers were unfairly singled out and that crucial information had been kept from them.

Oh, so so they they agree that crucial.

Yeah, there you go.

How is this a conspiracy?

Like this is pretty much a fact that they got fucked.

Yes.

Yeah, the Congress has concluded that that they got fucked.

Yeah.

OK, so we we solved it.

I mean, it's pretty much just kind of dry.

But towards the end of this solved it's.

Solved.

It's solved like stamp approval.

No document has ever surfaced with a clear warning ignored or an order from FDR such as let it happen, ignore it.

Well, no.

Well, obviously.

Yeah, there wouldn't be.

An order on.

That yeah, I know, I know.

I'm just the order.

Would be like, he'd be like in.

You'd be in as often be like, just don't tell him.

Yeah, like there wouldn't be like, put it in writing.

And also there is documentation that he did know about it.

And it's just like the fact that you don't do anything about it.

That's that, that's what it is.

That is that letter that you're talking about.

Like that's what that is not doing anything.

Omission yes.

Pearl Harbor has left a legacy that endorsed to this day in strategic lessons, in national memory, and even in personal relationships that emerge from the war.

Strategically, the attack reshaped naval warfare.

The devastation of battleships in a single air raid demonstrated the age of the aircraft carrier had truly arrived.

the US Navy, forced to rely on carriers and submarines in the week of Pearl Harbor, was quick to adapt and would deliver its own surprise to Japan just six months later at the Battle of Midway where US carrier based plane sank 4 Japanese carriers.

And that was the turning point of the Pacific War.

In a sense, Japan's victory at Pearl Harbor was not long lived.

I mean, it wasn't really a victim.

It wasn't even the even like the Japanese generals are like, you fucked up.

Yeah, you fucking you idiots.

Bring you shame on puns.

This country, take your own life.

Suboku in American culture, December 7th became a solemn date of remembrance.

As we approach it now, every year on National Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day, flags are flown at half, staff ceremonies are held to honor those who lost their lives, and the most iconic memorial is the USS Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor.

It's a white structure that spans the sunken wreck of the Arizona, which still lies on the harbor floor where it exploded and sank in 1941.

In the early 60s, this memorial was constructed and dedicated in thanks to an unlikely booster known as Elvis Presley.

Oh wow.

And he had lined a benefit concert in Hawaii that raised the money to actually create the memorial.

Oh shit, yeah.

I guess when he wasn't like shit faced he was like doing good stuff.

Inside the memorial, a marble wall lists the names of 11177 crewmen who died in the Arizona anyways.

And it and it is become a annual memorial for those who experienced it to go back.

But as we we reach that time now where there are no living, I mean, there's a few left, but not very many.

And as we do this episode and and if this episode lasts, pretty soon there will be no more.

But it's really the story that that that.

That keeps it alive, keeps it alive.

You know what I mean?

So there you go.

That's, that's Pearl Harbor.

That's the information that we have about Pearl Harbor.

You know, nowadays our relations with Japan is much different.

We're like super allies now, like.

Even in 2016, Japanese Prime Minister and Obama, President Obama at that time made a visit to Pearl Harbor side by side and they they commemorated the December 7th anniversary.

Anyways, you know what I mean?

Like so, a lot has happened since that time.

Very different.

Yeah.

Very, very different times.

Different time I think.

Then like recently, Japan pledged like.

Bajillions of dollars.

To like build, build plants in like the US like.

Very different times, very different people all around.

OK, there you go.

That's Pearl Harbor guys.

You know, I hope you enjoyed the the thorough data at at this point though, like let's.

Let's bring it back to.

What do we think happened here?

Like what's what?

What happened?

Who's first?

Was it negligence?

Was it?

Conspiracy.

Eric, was it?

Yeah.

Eric, you go first.

You never go first.

Yeah, I go first.

It's always me or Jorge go first.

I really like the concept of that.

They knew maybe the top, the top, top tops and they had a whole strategy and and we're talking about years of this situation.

We're in 41 of December.

The war started in 39.

We're already 2 years deep.

That's a long time to not be part of it.

Oh yeah, it is.

Yeah and yeah.

And so I do believe there was a semblance of we need to get into this, we need to, we need to jump in.

And I think it went overboard accidentally.

Yeah.

So whether you want to call it a conspiracy of accident, does that make sense?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And I'll, yeah, I'll touch on that when I go into mine.

So that's, that's where I, I've, I've, that's.

Where you're completed.

Yeah, yeah.

Where they didn't intend for, what was it, 2300 people that died, 2400 people that died.

And they they didn't intend for Pearl Harbor to be so unprepared and they didn't intend for the Japanese to be so brazen.

I think that was the word to use.

Brazen incoming 3000 miles across the Pacific Ocean with a major fleet or a major arsenal.

And I think they were in asset.

That's why the IT could be said that they were blindsided.

Yeah.

Right.

And they were mad.

Even Roosevelt was fucking beside himself.

Yeah, but there he did have AI do believe and I think there's a little hand I.

Think that's probably why he was so beside himself, because the casualties were far greater than most anticipated.

Yeah.

Because in any battle that lives are lost, doesn't matter how small or how big it is, lives are lost.

And I think that they purposely instigated, they needed, they needed an in and they saw a very clear path to getting it in that they could push Japan to the breaking point to where that they had no choice but to, to, to, to do something about it.

And they purposely didn't want to stop it before it started.

But I do agree that the for them not relaying all the information properly, they were caught so fucking off guard that they got it was like way bigger.

It was a way bigger loss than they anticipated.

Yeah, real quick question is why didn't we just, this sounds stupid, but like, why didn't we just be like, hey, we're going to go support Britain and like, we're going to go let's just, let's just send over some troops.

No, because look, the reason, the reason being is because in order to do that, you have you have to pass a, you have to pass a bill that negates the isolationism and.

So like half of the party is like, no, they're even more than half, no.

They're like fuck off.

But you do, you know, like look how easy it is, as we've seen in recent times with 9/11.

Look how easy it is to get shit passed when everyone's like fucking now, now pissed they don't.

We're not reading it.

You don't want to read it.

Just pass it.

No one wants to fuck it.

No one wants to look at how fucked up it is and like what what else you're putting in there.

Everyone is galvanized to like, do it.

So it's much easier to pass something like that and actually get in the war with approval.

And like you have the approval of the American citizens who technically are your boss.

Right if in theory.

I wish God fucking.

On paper, paper, paper we're.

Like.

On paper, we're rich and we got power.

But in real life, we're fucking nothing.

But that's what that's.

Why?

OK, because.

It's because otherwise it's, it probably doesn't get passed.

And then like, you've got like 50% of the people are fuck you, Roosevelt, like you fucking bitch.

Yeah, it's not all.

Trying to get us into war, trying to kill our people.

And now we're like, we're begging for it.

Let us in the war, please.

I wonder what if there was a poll done before Pearl Harbor of like if we should have you know what I mean?

Yeah, I bet you it would be.

It probably was 30.

Percent No 30.

Percent I.

Guarantee.

It was like, mostly no.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because, like, why would you want to put yourself in harm's way?

Yeah.

But then, like, they killed, like, they attacked us and they killed our people.

Like we have.

We have to do something about it.

Yeah, well, on my on my side, I'll start with the Y and I think the Y is always money.

You know what?

Fucking so true.

It's and and you go back to any war and I know I keep referencing like even 911 because that happened fairly.

It's very very common.

Or like similarities.

And it's our time.

Exactly, it's our time and and we lived it.

So like, you know, there's a lot of similarities there and and the why always goes back to the fucking money.

So.

What?

What was the money benefit?

So again, we talked about this and like, look at the affluence that we had after the war, because there's this whole war machine that kicks in and like, first of all, it starts at Wall Street like we were was talking about earlier.

And and so that's the top and then it flows down politicians.

And then obviously then it's like, OK, the whole economy was stimulated after that.

I mean, how, why I don't, you know, I don't know, I don't.

But it's also, I don't, I don't get the whole economics and I don't even want to get into it right.

Now war opens the coffers, like, yeah.

And if you think about, you talk about Wall Street, it's like, what?

What?

What are the What is like a elite banker Like more than anything else.

War profits.

War because you fund because you're you've got to.

Construct everything.

You're funding both sides and everyone's taking debt.

Of course they are.

They don't have a choice.

Oh, do you want to lose?

You're taking debt.

Yeah.

And like, it's it's so it's so profitable.

It's it's the single most profitable thing.

Yeah.

It's these.

It's nothing is more profitable than more.

But I think it, you know, that's like the start and then kind of what happened is, I mean, I agree with both of you guys.

It just starts with the negligence and just not acting fast enough and let this technology play a part, of course.

But I also think that it was like designed that way, like not pass down and and be ready enough to be able to sustain something like this.

But I also think that again, credit to the to the Japanese that they we didn't think it was going to be like.

That that big?

Yeah, It's like.

Oh well, well, you know, we'll pick it up, we'll anticipate it.

We're going to fight them off where it whenever, wherever it happens, and then we'll go.

To war after that, yeah.

But not 2300, you know that that was definitely not planned, I don't think and.

And you also don't think you're going to lose that many ships.

Like, yeah, it's that's often not part of the plan to, like, lose that much like hardware that you're going to use in war.

And before that it was definitely instigated with all the things that we were doing with embargoes and we were, we were trying different things to really instigate.

Like piss them off.

They wanted to get in the war, get in the game.

They wanted to be attacked.

First, Yeah, yeah.

Because that's like rules of engagement, you know, like.

You can't shoot.

And it's like back to what Sean was saying, like you need that justification so that you get the whole public behind.

You.

Everybody's on.

Board yes and now it's like it's easy here anything can be passed at that time because I mean shit everything gets passed right now with no war and everybody's just like and in the middle of the night when nobody's looking thousand page document you got an hour to you know look it over and and and approve it you.

Can't even scan all of those pages in the chat.

Should be to tell you what the fuck is going.

On So Do you?

Do you believe that Roosevelt knew who's going to have it?

I I think he knew a strike was going to happen, yeah.

Just not where.

Not necessarily where or the extent, yeah.

But I think it was all part of the plan that a strike would happen.

Yeah.

But I think that we thought that it would, it wouldn't be catastrophic.

Yeah, it would be very manageable, yeah.

And then and then from there we go on to, Oh well, we just got to overwhelm them and take over.

Yeah.

Now, weird question, I guess this could be our end question is yeah.

Do you think it was the right move?

I think it was the only move you could do, like wait wait what wait?

From Roosevelt.

Like, say, you're Roosevelt.

Go to war and and and like.

Instigating it or.

Oh yeah, exactly.

Before or after?

Letting it happen.

No.

No, because you thought we we would have already been into the war.

We would have eventually.

We would have eventually it would have there would have been enough pressure from the rest of the the rest of the world that we would have gone in and sure, what if things, you know, ended as soon as they did?

Maybe not.

Maybe it would have dragged on for another year.

Yeah, but I don't think it's the.

I don't know that that choice, yeah, of.

That's a hard choice man, cuz it's like you bring it down to play something, put yourself in a different situation where you're like, I don't know, you're walking downtown and then all of a sudden you see this whatever, girl getting mugged or something, or, or a kid getting bullied by a, by an adult.

Are you going to step in or you're just going to be like, that's not my fight?

I, Sean brought it up.

Yeah, we brought it up a couple.

Episodes ago.

Like if depends on the weapon.

If it's a gun, I'm not stepping in.

If it's like if it's just a dude, I'm 100%.

Stepping, but no to correlate that to this is you know, you know you have to face off with Germany.

Right.

And that's that's that's a.

Scary fucking fight.

So that's the weapon.

Germany's a big weapon, yeah.

And Japan, I mean, I mean, I guess we didn't know.

I don't think how dangerous.

I don't think we thought Japan was like a.

Problem a big thing.

Like we weren't.

We're we.

Underestimated them?

Oh.

For sure.

I would answer my own question with like, yes, I would.

I would step in.

I think it was right move.

Yeah, I think that.

Interesting.

You know, if you're, if you're bigger, if you're like, you got the muscles, the resources, whatever.

Like whatever scenario we're talking about, like, yeah, you should, you should step in and help.

No, it's just like an integrity thing like.

Yeah, I wouldn't have instigated.

I wouldn't have instigated an attack that's.

Different I would have.

Been like we need to go help.

But you know, we don't, we don't know like 'cause the war started almost two years earlier.

Yeah, I don't know.

How much he was trying to get us into the war already.

And maybe you've exhausted all your avenues.

Yeah.

And you're like, I can't, I fucking have tried.

I can't get us into this.

I can't get us to help them other than Lend Lease program.

You know, the, the that and the embargoes.

That's the only thing I've I've succeeded in.

I mean, that was an instigation, Yeah.

Honestly, what I would have done in that situation is like, I would have sent over, like, film.

Well, I don't know how it it probably may be difficult, but like in like present, I'd like you send over like film crews and you bring you bring like the images back.

And then that would happen.

Like people would be like, Oh my God, we need to like, use film.

More.

Yeah, like we need to like help these people out.

Like oh shit, like Germany's fucking shit kicking UK right now, like hard.

Like London's getting bombed daily, like non fucking stop.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Well, I would hope that, you know, my theory of it would be that we're a little bit more overt.

And you know, if there's, if the world's at need, we should be able to go, hey, the world's at need and we need like this is good versus evil and.

Kind of thing and.

And I would, I would hope that that that's.

I don't know that's enough.

Yeah, like that.

But I wasn't in those shoes for sure.

Maybe he maybe he tried.

And it's also it's failed.

It gets very convoluted, especially nowadays because of what we've experienced and like in our generation, it's, it's a much different of like it's not.

We've been tricked so many times that it's under the guise of like, oh, they need us.

And then after the fact we're like, why the fuck did we do that?

Why did we like waste our time with this shit?

That's.

True, you know.

Afghanistan, like all this shit like.

Korea, like Korea, yeah, Vietnam, like what do we do?

Maybe we were trying to later on make up the day.

Yeah, like the same mistake, same mistake and.

Good point.

So now we can't trust anything.

Now we're like why are we doing this?

Because we can't really trust what is happening because of like all these fuck ups.

But like, but like the one time it was like for real and like legit like we were like, oh fuck you, we're not helping.

Wow.

But nobody's going to put up, nobody's going to put up with a repeat of this, like, you know what I mean?

Like Hitler?

No, we can't.

Yeah.

No one's going to allow that to happen.

Like you can't let that happen again.

Yeah.

All right, well, there you go guys.

That's Pearl Harbor.

We hope you enjoyed it.

There's there's there's more you can dive into.

Again, we mentioned a couple books.

We mentioned the Netflix documentary of Minute by Minute, Pearl Harbor.

That's a really good thing to check out.

And if you're ever in Hawaii, you should go to.

Be awesome.

Yeah, I was just thinking about.

That.

Yeah.

I would really love to.

Love to go to it, yeah.

We'll put we'll put this one in another category of solved conspiracy.

Just a stamp of solve.

We've got a couple of cool episodes going into the new year.

We have a Jack the Ripper update.

Oh yeah, that we're going to, we're going to do, I don't know if you guys know this, but about a year ago, I think it was about a year ago, we did the, we did Jack the Ripper series.

And I don't know if you guys know this, but.

We kind of solved it.

One of our summations at the end was a specific yes.

And then there was evidence that came out earlier this year, DNA evidence that pretty much I will get into the episode, but that's going to come out before the end of the year as well as a Christmas special that we have for you guys.

Yeah, yeah.

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