Oh, okay, so it looks like Bill Petterson is going to take the coaches chair here for a moment.

Welcome to Gun Radio, Utah.

We've got a lot to cover here for you.

God, what an amazing week we've had for Utah in general.

And also we had memorials for September eleventh, twenty four years I was just thinking about that, you know, not just the other day twenty four years ago, where I was at what I was doing, and man, I can't believe it was twenty twenty four years ago.

We're going to work on getting Clark back online.

We had some echo coming back from his system there, but we think we might have it figured out.

So Clark will chime in if you all kind of watch from you here, but we'll get him.

On the other great tragedy, tragedy that we've all been watching and been shocked myself, Uh, Utah Valley University with the Charlie Kirk incident.

Unfortunate, What a tragedy for for Utah, A tragedy for a big time for the Kirk family and Erica and her her kids and everything, and and uh, we'll get, we'll get, we'll get.

We're gonna get we're gonna, we're gonna.

Yeah, so we're working the feedback thing here, Clark, go ahead and give me a word there.

If you've getten near me.

Nope, we don't have you yet, Clark, but we'll get you in here.

But uh yeah, we're going to talk about some of the things.

Clark was very busy uh this week, not only for here in Utah, but domestically, uh here in the nation and internet with media calls in regards to Utah and gun laws, and we'll go over that.

Also going to talk about things that we can learn from this.

And it got me to reflect quite a bit on a lot of things myself, just the thought of what had transpired.

I was actually scheduled to go to the event.

I was just up the road, just finishing up some client work, and then I was head I was going to head down, but they had the road closed doing some pavement work, and so I ended up driving around.

And as I was driving around, I just happened to go buy Tempanoga's Hospital and that's when I saw all the lights and sirens, police highway patrol, from law enforcement from different agencies go flying into the Tempanoga's Regional Hospital and I'm like, what the heck happened?

I just I kind of figured the first thing came to my mind.

You know, a law enforcement officer may have gotten hurt and was being escorted in or there was something going on at the hospital.

But yeah, just it just and then all of a sudden, my phone just went ballistic text messages from a group of friends and our Second Amendment group here in Utah with legislators and that of what had actually happened, and oh it was just heartbreaking, heartbreaking.

I think the hardest thing for most people is when you you might not know Charlie Kirk personally, you might not have that one on one relationship, but we're attached to his videos, his YouTube shorts and his videos that he would put out, and maybe you'd be involved with his podcasts that he would do every day.

But you felt connected to this guy.

He's a very very likable guy, and we're going to talk about some of the things that he stood for.

I'm going to tell you this, he was he was all in.

Let me put it that way.

He was an all in kind of gentleman.

And we'll talk about some of his traits and his character here in the next segment, we're going to take a break here for a moment.

We're gonna get Clark back online.

Here you're listening to gun Radio Utah and we'll be right back after this message.

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When you're dealing with four microphones and speakers and laptops from ghost dimnor Hey, sometimes this happens.

We are glad to be back.

Bill.

Thanks for for stepping up there there in the street.

That's why we had in the studio.

Sometimes I know, yeah, yeah, I'll just leave, all right.

So it's been a it's been a rough last four days.

It's been rough with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

You know, the media always this is where we get our information from, is the media.

And as as you could probably figure, uh, the media gives us a call and they were trying somehow you could just hear it in their voices.

They were trying somehow to relate Utah gun laws and how Utah gun laws caused this assassination, aided in the assassination, or something like that.

They used to they used a special word, the promiscuous laws, gun laws, permissive, permissive gun laws, permissive i apology, permissive gun laws, thinking and Clark, you were calling me.

We were talking a lot this week during this and I was getting more and more angry.

I'm like, Clark, you got to tell these guys it had nothing to do with the permissive gun laws of Utah.

This was a this is a bad person that did a bad thing, and they're trying to tie into our gun laws of how that would cause that, and it had nothing nothing to do.

And Bill, try as I might, so I was on with the AP, I was, I was on with Swedish TV, I was on with the with every news place here in Utah as well as others.

And you know, it got me to the point Bill where I was asking them a question because they weren't figuring it out.

I honestly asked them, I said, you tell me what gun law would have changed this.

We're talking about a rifle which is over one hundred years old.

I mean the rifle itself may not have been, but the design of that rifle is one hundred years old old, a Mauser ninety eight.

It's shooting a cartridge, the thirty six, which was one hundred twenty years old, at least one.

Hundred and twenty years old.

One in fact, the very name of the cartridge, thirty odd six denotes the caliber thirty and the six was the year was adopted by the military nineteen o six.

It used an internal magazine, not a detachable magazine.

That magazine held at the most five rounds and it and.

It's bold action.

Yeah so.

And I remember when we went to the memorium there on Wednesday evening, organized by Representative carry On Lismby, and we had the news asking us, well, how could any any regular person other than a military sniper or a tactical, you know, a police sniper make a two hundred yard shot?

And I had to, yet they were still pontificating on you know that it must have been some you know, military train person.

I try to tell him that's a fairly average shot.

That isn't even getting into long range.

Yet, No, you don't even get you don't even broach, in my opinion, getting into long range until you're four hundred just on the edge of long range is four hundred yards.

In fact, to give you an idea, we all know.

That bullets start dropping the moment they leave the muzzle if the muzzle is perfectly horizontal.

And that's why the muzzles.

The barrel of the rifle, if you will, is pointed ever so slightly upward.

You can't see that when you look at the gun, but they rely the bullet basically makes a big arc, and depending on where you zero it in at, that bullet at two hundred yards from a thirty out six is technically still climbing.

It's still rising above the bore.

So it's certainly not a long range shot.

And we found out later that he had a scope on it.

Yeah, well that that changes everything too.

Bill.

I think a bigger issue is since it's not a gun issue.

It's not a concealed carry issue.

It's not a permit holder issue.

It's not an eighteen or somebody under eighteen getting access to their parents' gun issue.

It wasn't a waiting period one.

It's not an assault rifle issue.

It's not a magazine issue.

It's what does it boiled down to.

It was a weapon of war?

Oh yeah, I mean technically absolutely, this was a military weapon way back when.

Yes, it absolutely was, so I wouldn't go to war with it today, but yeah, back in the day.

But Bill, why if in these heady.

Days of assassination attempts in these heady days of political discourse of violent again people, you know, whether it be you know, hand to hand violence or pushing or what, or you know, actual bullets whizzing at our president.

Uh why didn't they anticipate, Well, they knew there was going to be you know, some type of Uh.

Well, they had the students or somebody had organized a petition to block Charlie Kirk's free speech essentially at that campus, and they knew there were some groups behind this that were known to.

Have some violence in their history, agitator.

Why didn't they built I'm going to ask you just honestly, why didn't they one have more security and two have just one person on a roof.

Well, I've been asking myself that question all week.

Here's what we do know.

We had over three thousand people in attendance.

Okay, we only had Charlie Kirk's security team, and we only had six UVU police officers on campus at the event.

Watching it.

And the sixth security team or rather, his security team was basically designed well from what I can tell, to confront an onslaught on the stage.

Right, if you will, and most of the law enforcement officers that were there were up front as well also, so but yeah, I have to ask you know, when you have that, I mean to me, at a minimum, put Bill Peterson up there on a roof of a pair of binoculars in a radio I'll give you and to give you a bird's eye view of what's going on at the event.

Or put a drone up there for going's sake.

I'm actually surprised.

I don't know whether they banned drones or what, but I'm surprised that somebody didn't have a drone that they were flying around.

I used to manage a concert security company many many years ago, what was it been, thirty years ago something, and we even put people in elevated positions to be spotters.

If there was an elevated position available, we would put them there.

But the concert.

But that security, when I look at it, it reminded me more of concert security.

They weren't.

We were never ever really worried about somebody shooting, like an assassination on one of the performers.

We were worried more about somebody rushing the stage.

And that's what it reminded me of.

So anyway, you know, Bill, you've shot long range You've been a hunter for many, many years.

Two hundred yards not a big deal, am I?

Right?

Well?

Yeah, in fact, I started hunting well when I was you know, sixteen was the law or legal age you could hunt big game in Utah.

But I've been proficient with a thirty odd six for since I wasrobably fourteen years of age.

Me and my father would have some competitive one on ones with each other and we got very, very good with the thirty six.

I don't hunt with one of those today.

I've chosen a different caliber gun.

But you know, to do uh, I remember I took I've taken elk at three hundred and fifty yards uphill.

You know, with one shot, A two hundred yard shot is not a difficult shot to do.

And like you were saying, we're talking to the media Wednesday evening, they were blown away.

They were like, you got to be kidding, but.

They were blown away at the reality that that's not a big a big time shot, right And somebody I could literally, even though I'm not a long range shooter, I could train somebody to do that shot in probably five minutes, yeah, or less.

With certainly with a rest, I wouldn't be doing it freestanding, holding it without some kind of a rest or, you know, a lip of a roof, if you will, or a bipod and with a scope, Oh my gosh, it'd be pretty pretty easy to do.

But the media in that they were amazed, were still, like I said, giving editorial, giving pontific, you know, saying that this had to be that even in the lack of knowledge, you know, I'll.

Tell you I was interviewed, like I said, by the AP.

I think it went out, I don't know, twenty twenty five different news outlets picked up on that, and it was mostly about what are the gun laws in Utah and what they didn't include in that?

And I did.

I said, Utah has, if not the most, one of the most permissive statutes or collection of firearm statutes in the nation.

I don't know of a state that has more permissive laws than we do.

There's some differences in that.

But and and and yet and I told them this, and I always continued with it.

Yet we have the third lowest homicide rate in the nation.

And I reminded them what and I told them the other two states, New Hampshire and Vermont, and and how we were what are we four tenths of one degree?

Four tens of a percent off from the lowest.

And I tried to explain to them, you know where that how that's derived, and so on and so forth, and they still just said, did you know what the question was?

On one of the news outlets, did Utah's lax gun laws contribute to Charlie Kirk's death?

They literally used that as the head of their ap story.

And you tell me, well, tell me, it's like law would have prevented this?

Yeah, what gun law would have prevented it?

But it's like, gosh darn it, why can't Why will they keep blaming the firearm and not blamed the individual that did this horrific act?

It just blows me away.

Charlie Kirk was prophetic about this.

You know, he he anticipated this, He anticipated the lefts thing and and you know he if if one thing you can say about Charlie Kirk is.

He remained rather.

I don't want to say, emotion less, but unruffled in these debates.

He'd be very calm and he liked the debate for him, the back and forth.

One of his statements is when discourse ends, violence begins, and you know, I think it was a Secretary of State, and it could have even been Winston Churchill for all I remember, you know when negotiation and and that ends war begins.

Well look Rush in Ukraine.

I mean perfect example, I mean perfect example.

Yeah, I mean all he did he gave people a place to speak and converse and learn from one another.

And uh, and they shot him, well, and they blamed him.

And not only did they shoot him and blame him, but now they celebrate his death.

Well again, Clark, it wasn't the it wasn't just the platform that they he gave them to debate.

He invited those that didn't agree with him to come to the front of the line.

He was like, I want to hear from these people first.

And you might not like some of his political stances, but he always did it in a rational way.

He didn't be little people.

I mean, there are some videos out there transgenders.

He's giving hope and praise to and prayer that they can work out their issues, that they can find themselves.

That he's always leading people in a positive manner.

He put forward Christian values.

I mean one of the biggest things he talked about the youth.

And I think This was kind of one of the interesting things is the younger generation.

You know, they're saying that had a huge impact on the last election, and I truly agree, but the youth kind of felt like, Hey, I'm starting to see these things that are happening around me.

That's happening in schools, happening with government, happening with my work.

I can't afford a home.

And Charlie Kirk nailed those points and open their eyes.

He didn't say you have to believe me or do what I do, but take a look around you and make up your own decision.

So, hey, before we go, before we go on the segment, I want to get the same because we're going to come up on third segment.

Here, no good segue.

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Bill.

I want to talk about what new legislation do you foresee in the wake of this.

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Sometimes I think, uh, Clark Charlie saw a lot of things that could happen, and I think I've got a great clip there.

I'd love to have you.

Yeah, listen, listen to this one.

This is this was I don't know, three or four years ago.

I think hang on.

So then ever, they're going to be taking now Twitter accounts left and right.

They're gonna be taking up videos on YouTube.

They are going to be coming after us.

They're going to be following us in the middle of the night.

They're going to be breaking into our houses.

You think I'm joking.

They are going to have violent that you will not be able to walk the streets of the Maga hat without your your physical health be put in jeopardy.

And I hope it doesn't get that way.

I hope that this clip gets unearthed and everything's like wonderful.

I hope that a country comes together and we have a beautiful munitarian healing moment.

All right.

So yeah, and we saw that, I mean we've we've even seen that this week at a vigil up in Boise where a guy just starts profan of the lacing Charlie Kirk, and thank goodness for those folks.

They they whipped his guys butt and I'm glad they did.

Right, here's another one.

Here's another clip.

I found that that we have been warned and Charlie saw this, you know, Bill, we put ourselves out there we do not as much, not nearly as much as Charlie Kirk.

But uh, I know you have gotten nasty phone calls, emails, uh messages, Facebook things.

I continue to get them and some are absolutely direct threats and that type of thing, and uh, somehow we continue.

All right, here's what Here's what he said a while ago, Charlie Kirk, you.

Will never be the best version of yourself if you allow other people to convince you that you can't be better because of your skin color.

No, that's not the one I wanted.

I wanted this one.

At the core of the left, at the core of a liberal, as someone that would use the sword of they had it.

They are very violent people at their core.

They always have it.

They can't debate, they can't have conversation, so they'll resort to these tactics.

They're going to do everything they possibly can to try to murder this movement because they can't beat us, so they're going to try to take weapons.

And no, we're very aware of that.

I'm aware of it.

We have full time security.

This is not a joke.

This is who these people.

Are, all right, So, uh, Bill, we know that.

What do you think as far as the media driving legislation or just I mean, we don't even need the media driving legislator, legislator.

It's our leadership today.

It's our leadership now.

Not that not that some of these left legislators need to have a direct metric from what happened to their legislation.

I mean, I'm sure.

That they'll they'll be expanding on you know, magazine capacity, even though this wasn't a removable magazine, and you know, so on and so forth.

What do you see happening?

You know, what kind of legislation do you see happening that they might try to use this for?

Well, here's where I have a hard time with that one, Clark.

And the reason why is because it came from their side.

This was done by the other team.

Okay, what can they do?

I mean, to be honest, the only reason why we haven't heard much.

I mean, there's been some talk at the federal level and they're blaming you know, why we don't have permissive gun laws.

But there's still not blaming the individuals yet.

But what can they say and do?

It was their side.

You've got Tim Walls out there saying I'm opening my phone every morning and hoping to see that Donald Trump is dead.

I am.

And we've got others that are saying campaigning, saying we've got to put everything we can do to stop this rhetoric.

And they're calling out people to it's off on them to do it.

And then when violence happens, and we can all look at you know, Antifa, Summer of Love, where were those people?

They were encouraging it, and they continue to encourage this stuff.

And I really am concerned about our youth because in their mindsight, they're getting this information, they're fed this information, and they're acting on this information.

And opel.

We have had so much media on radio, on television, social media, whether it be Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

We've had conspiratorial theories.

We have your own friends and our own friends taking one side, you know, very emphatically, or the other side.

I've had people that I really thought were akin to my views completely change things around.

There's so much chatter, there's so much din uh, there's so much noise.

If you will, and I wonder if you know, I'm just gonna throw let's get some introspective here.

Forget about the noise, forget about the chatter, and let's take a moment to ponder this, to reflect, if you will, to just quiet that down and Bill and Denny, I'm gonna.

Ask for.

Of some silence in the world, silence in the neighborhood, silence and social media.

And I want, I want, Bill, what do you think I want?

Fifteen minutes of radio silence.

Fifteen seconds of radio silence starting now.

Thank you.

Just take that time.

I think that time just for some quiet.

I know, fifteen seconds is not a long time.

Maybe take some time to just sit back and and and ponder though, ponder what all this noise is about, and think about it.

You know, I don't care if it's left or if it's right, if it's trans or gay or straight.

This was an evil person and regardless, and you know what, you can have evil people on the right and evil people on the left.

This was an evil act and an evil person.

And hey, I'm sure Hitler probably started out as a great little kid, but somehow along.

The way he was affected.

He was what do they call it?

He was he was affected, he was influenced, He was into this.

And you know, why is it that so many of these groups, especially ones that are kind of anti trimocracy groups will call them, we can name them.

But uh, why do they go bill?

Why did they go to the to the junior highs?

Where do they go to the high schools?

Why do they go to the colleges?

Why don't why don't they go to the old folks homes?

Why don't they go to the old folks homes?

Why don't they go to the to I don't know, outdoor concerts that are playing classic rock or anything like that.

Why are they going to these places where young people are built.

Well, it's like I tell my kids.

I haven't had to tell them this for quite some time now, but as an older adult, mature adult, we have forgotten more than what this younger generation has yet to learn.

And what I mean by that is they're manipula.

If they are learning, they're having their eyes wide open seeing things that are happening around them.

They have questions, they have concerns, and sometimes they go to social media to find their answers, where their answers aren't really there.

There's nothing at the other end of social media.

It's fake.

And that's why I am off social media.

I just I mean, I do little Instagram, but I'll post things.

I don't respond, I don't comment on things.

I just post things.

But if I'm off all the others, And it's because two things I've learned is one I will never get the time back that I've spent on social media.

It's a complete waste of time.

And if you're searching and looking for answers in your life that can help and lead and guide you, maybe on your knees in prayer, you might find your answers instead of some person you might not even know it even exists at the other end of the world.

Thank you, Bill.

All right, when we come back, we'll have our last segment and one more thing from Charlie Kirk.

We'll come right back.

Stay tuned, Bill Patterson with your United States flag.

I'm filming.

I'll tell you righting into the studio, I was getting a lot of looks.

Who are on your motorcycle LINEA.

I mean, yeah, okay, all.

Right, Bill, you know something that's going to be big now, I mean it was already going to be big, but I'm sure the topic is going to come up at the fortieth Annual Gun Rights Policy Conference coming up in just a couple of weeks September twenty sixth to the twenty eight It's going to be held in Salt Lake City.

This year.

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But the talks are going to be fantastic despite even me going to be speaking there, I think.

So anyway, go to that event registration it's free, and plan on being there downtown Salt Lake City.

All right, Bill, while we were on the break, I think you have heard.

I got a call from the media, somebody out of New York.

I'm assuming it's either well, I don't know who it is, but we'll call them back.

And so they're still doing this because Utah is an oddity bill.

Utah is an oddity we have Hey, you cannot You can't say we have real strict gun laws and.

Lo homicide, right, it's just the opposite.

So there are those that say that the more restrictive gun laws, you know, like say Illinois or New York or California, leads to.

More crime.

Well that's not necessarily the case, because there are some states that have lower crime, lower homicide rates, and still have restrictive gun laws.

But it doesn't hold true because there are states with very permissive gun laws, like Utah with the third lowest in the nation.

And it really comes down to culture.

It honestly comes down to culture.

They're barely starting to talk about this now, and you know, why do we why do we have guns?

You know, the Supreme Court has argued that in the Heller decision, and they finally came out unequivocally without apologies and said, this is an individual right.

It's not a federal right by the military to have these guns.

It's not even a right of the state militia or the state like the Utah National Guard to have them.

No, it's an actual individual rights and that's what the Constitution really talks about, our individuals, Thank you, Bill.

And so it talks about individuals.

And why would it then deviate in its very very second amendment, the first the Bill of Rights in the first ten amendments of the Constitution talk about a state or government, right?

It doesn't?

And why do we have these well as?

And I'm paraphrasing Justice antonin Scalia for the dreaded anticipation of confrontation.

No, we're not waiting.

We're certainly not hoping for such an engagement.

But we must realize and not be naive and prepare for something like this.

To prepare is not to be paranoid anymore than you're not paranoid for having a fire extinguisher in your home, a first aid kit, a smoke detector.

Do you put your seat belt on?

Are you paranoid about a car accident?

No?

Do you get training in first aid?

We recommend it.

Do you get training un stop the bleed?

Yes?

And do you get training in using a firearm in lawful self defense?

Yeah?

That's not paranoid.

It's being prepared.

It's not being naive to that.

Okay, Bill, what have we got?

Have We've got to time this correctly.

Yeah, we got less than a minute here coming up, but you know, you bring up some really good points, Sarah Clark.

I just I just hope this, I really want this tragedy to kind of be an awakening for some people to get more actively involved.

You don't have to put yourself in danger, but be more actively involved, being more actively informed.

And I mean, I just I mean, we hate to hear and see of any death or incident, but man, I'm just feeling.

Bill.

Let's leave this with the words of Charlie Kirk as we under show today end with his message the.

Next time you see somebody who is suffering or is being treated unjustly and you can intervene, you do something about it.

You stand up to the bully, You put your own neck on there, and you choose what is right over.

What is comfortable.

The most masculine people that I know are the ones that go into places where they are not welcome, they were not invited, that they will be boog off stage, and they still proclaim the truth.

That's what it means to be a man.

They know that if men and Christian men start to recommit to the truths and the promises of the Bible that this country can and will be saved.

I hope we'll do it.

God bless you guys.

Thanks come much and Bill, we ended that a little keny bit early before our break comes up.

But yeah, stay ever Villagilan.

What a good man, what a good man.

God bless.

All right, Bill until next week.

I'm going to Yellowstone this week and uh I will be back uh for the for the show on Saturday.

Okay, be safe, Thank you one for listening.

Prayersday and everyone sorts