
·S4 E164
Little Shop of Horticulture
Episode Transcript
Broadcasting from Studio A.
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It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy, Hervella me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.
Well as Vincent Price would say in the thriller, darkness falls across the land.
The midnight hour is close at hand.
No, I'm not talking about Halloween.
I'm talking about the end of daylight saving time and the growing season.
Oh boy, today, little shop of horticulture.
Speaker 2Hmm.
Speaker 1I was thinking about you the other day, Stacy, because I have a neighbor just down the road and she has a Stacey Halloween Nightmare yard.
Not on Elm Street, but on my street.
This neighbor has a yard full of agapodium, goutweed, vinkevine growing all over the place, and chameleon place at the Yes, all three.
I watch your fill a little bucket of miracle grow and go out there.
Speaker 3On that fertilizes.
That's the scariest part.
Speaker 1Yes, I know that.
I know that.
Is there a barbary scarier?
Speaker 2Right?
Speaker 1There was no barbary?
Speaker 3Is there?
Wind chimes?
Speaker 1There are?
Speaker 3Okay?
Speaker 2Got me?
Speaker 1So four out of five something like that.
Speaker 3It's a tree nightmare.
Speaker 2There might be some barbary in the backyard that you just haven't seen yet, so.
Speaker 1I'll check it out.
Are you decorating in your yard or landscape like many people do for Christmas?
Americans are expected to spend four point two billion dollars on Halloween decorations decorating their house uh this year, and many people that the number of people decorating their homes has continued to increase.
Some displays look so elaborate people have had to call the police.
Speaker 2Uh.
Speaker 1And I have a neighbor down the road, not the same neighbor with Stacy's horror land, but a neighbor down the road that decides to put up Christmas and Halloween at the same time and just get it over with.
Oh my, yeah, so it looks like the Holidays threw up in their yard.
It's just crazy, the.
Speaker 3Whole Halloween yard decorating.
I mean, it's fun.
Speaker 2Don't get me wrong.
I don't begrudge anyone.
They're fun, but it is wild.
It came out of nowhere, you know.
It is like you used to put some pumpkins on your porch and call it good.
And now I mean people start decorating in September, and they have to get their money's worth because they're spending so much on these displays.
And I mean they are really fun to see, but wow, I mean it's in some ways it's like more than Christmas decorating.
Speaker 1It's unreal.
Speaker 3Yeah, And where do they store it all?
Speaker 1That's that's always the big problem.
Where do you put those things?
Well, invasive plants and invasive bugs are a big contributor to Halloween horror stories and the Little Shop of Horticulture.
Now, I do want to mention something right off the bat, and we have some pictures for our YouTube viewers, Stacy.
But at this time of the year I get real melancholy and sad based on the fact that I don't get to see that bright yellow color of green ash trees in the landscape.
Because of Emerald ash bore.
Many of our ash trees are gone, and I'm chilled by the lack of that bright color in our neighborhoods our parks.
Green ash had ecological and cultural significance in our landscapes.
Streets lined with green ash trees.
They made baseball bats, bowling pins out of green ash.
I really really missed that tree, and you'll see some here and there where they're struggling to survive or growing out of the base of the plant, sending out suckers or shoots.
I've got some pictures to show you in a parking lot that I went through the other day, Stacy, I missed that tree.
And Emerald ash bore is one of those little shop of horse to culture things that I'm dealing with personally.
Speaker 2It's horrifying they are, and you know, what they did to trees all over the Midwest is really genuinely horrifying.
But where my in laws live out in the Detroit area is literally just a few miles from what was ground zero of the Emerald ashboor invasion here in Michigan.
And it's interesting because ashes are coming back because they ate everything, you know.
So the ashes took care of everything that they could.
Speaker 1Eat in the area extinct.
Speaker 2Yes, and so they have then moved on to new areas because it's saying, hey, there's nothing for us to eat here, better move to West Michigan.
And now that is giving ash from seed because it does spread pretty significantly from seed and other ones that were just significantly weakened a chance to come back, and there are actually some quite large ash trees now around there.
Speaker 3Now.
Speaker 2That doesn't mean they can't come back, but there is this kind of sequential or succession of ash and Emerald ashboorger that.
Speaker 3Maybe they will be back.
Speaker 2Now we're behind the Detroit area because we didn't get it as early as they did, but maybe.
Speaker 3In a couple of years.
Yeah, I agree, your ashes could be back.
Speaker 1I agree, And that's why I took pictures of these trees, because they're also seeking out some of these trees that seem resistant to Emerald ashbourer to develop cultivars for future generation.
Speaker 2Well, that's exactly what happened with the Dutch Olean disease and the bark beetle.
Speaker 1Exactly when we talk about Little Shop of Horticulture.
Of course, one of the things we've talked about this year in our show is that area between the street and the sidewalk and what in the world to do with it.
Some people call it the hell strip, some people call it a parkway, a boulevard or right of way.
I'm planting some loriopee and some creeping time in mine.
And for folks who are watching or listening to the show in the south.
Remember also here in the Earth we suffer from something called snowplow disease in winter, so that is an area also that creates problems.
Many plants we could talk about in our show on Little Shop of Horticulture, Stacy.
You know, one that I can't stand is stinging nettle.
Some people love it for the health potions that they can create out of it, but I get intense burning and an itching sensation.
Low grow sumac.
Now you'll see that growing in island beds at stores and parking lots because it's super tough.
But I made the mistake of putting it in my landscape and they call it a fragrant sumac.
It smells awful.
Speaker 3I've ever really spelled it.
What's it like.
Speaker 1It's just pungent and it's kind of like Russian sage on steroids.
Speaker 2So it really ran and spread and it's one of those plants that it's suckering and if it's happy yet, it'll sucker and colonize, which is perfect for parking lot beds, but maybe not so much for the backyard.
Speaker 3So that's what's happened to your right.
Speaker 1So I'm I'm pulling it out.
But the whole time I'm pulling it out, I'm like holding my nose.
It's awful.
O Punti or prickly pear cactus.
I love prickly pear wine.
I love Opuntia and prickly pear cactus.
But those pads are so innocent looking.
You get close to them and you get those stickers in your socks, in your gloves.
I was watching some deer eating them.
I'm wondering, how in the world can they eat those pads real thirsty?
Speaker 2Oh boy, you know, I have to say I don't think that our native a Puntia chumafusa, the one that grows out here.
The glockids, which are the little teeny tiny hairs that are the most irritating because you can usually avoid those big, long thorns.
It's the little tiny ones that get you.
They're not as bad as long lasting as like cactus that you'll find in the Southwest.
They provide a temporary irritation, but you know, for the most part, they're not that bad.
But the thing that I find about them, at least in my garden, they need a lot of management.
Speaker 3They really overgrow.
Speaker 2Might have started spreading from seed, which, as you can imagine is simply delightful.
We dead headed ours this year to prevent that from happening, because, yeah, you do not want to be weeding and come across a little cactus seedling in your vegetable garden, which I did have one there.
The other thing about managing this plant, talk about horror stories.
We're always really careful about what we do with it and make sure that we put it in thick bags in our trash and not the yard disposal, because I don't want, you know, the poor person who takes away that garbage just to get an unpleasant surprise.
So it also has to be managed carefully, not just in the garden, but for other people to deal with.
Speaker 1You're right, you're right about that.
Well, on today's show, we're going to talk about some plants and some invasive issues.
I've got things on my list like calorie pair daughter, horse bind weed, all of these things that have to be part of our Shop of Horticulture Hall of Fame.
Here's a terrifying thought.
Rick at your doorstep, Rick or treat.
Yeah, today's limb a Rick Rick visits your doorstep.
Caution with me, maybe hoove, I see a plant in your yard.
I disapprove while you're busy doling out candy.
The distraction I'll find handy in darkness, the plant to remove.
If there's a weed in your yard, I'll pluck it.
Take your treat in my bag, I'll tuck it my costume.
Likewise, you may recognize I'm the guy wearing a five gallon bucket.
Speaker 3You are on a roll, rick roll.
Speaker 1Thank you very much.
Yeah, on Halloween, I go out there wearing a five gallon bucket.
It's ideal.
Speaker 2Uh, okay, just drill some Oh it's a mask, gotcha.
I was thinking like a full body, five gallon buck it kind of costume.
But oh, you were in I didn't know you were such a Halloween fan.
Speaker 1I don't know.
I just little shop.
Speaker 3I feel you're feeling the spirit.
I like it.
Speaker 1I can't wait for Plants on Trial that's coming up next.
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Boo and greetings gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where we are opening up the little shop of horticulture.
You know, everyone's always like, oh, Seymour feed me because of you know, the famous movie.
Speaker 3But that's not really that scary.
I mean, they didn't make it very scary.
Speaker 1It's not scary.
Speaker 2Yeah, but thank goodness, there's not actually plants like that.
Of course, there are carnivorous plants that eat insects, but they are not ever going to harm you personally, so anyway, and.
Speaker 1There's always barbary.
Speaker 3There's all that.
Speaker 2Barbary is indeed scary.
You can scare me with many things in the garden, you know, stinging nettle.
I also have a big, major issue with.
Speaker 3Very very big rastion.
Speaker 2And no one ever told me about stinging nettle.
Right, so I'm working as a landscaper in college weaving and all of a sudden, like what the heck just happened?
And also those stinging caterpillars.
Yes, you know you're hearing a lot about those these days.
So but you're not to discourage you from gardening, because all you have to do is learn a little bit.
And that's what we're here for, is to kind of teach you some of that stuff, help you make you aware of those things so you can avoid them, whether that is an invasive plant or a pest or a bug or you know, whatever that that that scary thing is for you.
We all have our own fears.
But you know, last year there was quite a bit of talk going on about Gothic gardens, goth gardens, goth gardening, and you know, those words just got thrown around, and I realized that probably a lot of people don't really know what that means.
You know, like I grew up in the eighties and nineties when goth people dressing like goths was the subculture was a thing, you know, like we knew what that was.
But some people who are older might not.
Maybe even some people who were younger might not.
And that got me thinking, where did that goth term come from?
So of course I looked it up, because this is what I do.
So the original use of goth goes back to the term Gothic, which was a tribe of Germanic people in the fourth century.
Now, the Romans did not like the Goths, and considered them uncouth and barbaric, and so to some extent you could say, okay, well, like dark ages, that's where the association with darkness comes from from that.
But then fast forward to the twelfth century and we've got Gothic architecture, which plenty of people are familiar with.
Of course, Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris is one of the classic examples, and that actually had nothing really to do with the Germanic tribe of the Goths.
That just kind of came out of nowhere.
Then fast forward to seventeen sixty four.
Okay, so we're up, you know, another four hundred and five hundred years here, and Gothic takes on a new, yet another new meaning.
In this case, the first Gothic novel, which was Horace Walpole's book The Castle of Otronto, which later got the subtitle, added a Gothic story, and that gave birth to the whole subgenre of Gothic novels.
So, of course Rebecca by Daphne du Morier is a classic example.
Frankenstein by Mary Shelley is another classic example.
So it was kind of this, like, you know, mysterious is sometimes supernatural, freaky, scary, but also darkly atmospheric, taking place in creepy labs or abandoned mansions or castles and all of that kind of thing.
Speaker 1Yeah, and if you're keeping score at home, that's O Toronto.
I thought it was a typo.
I thought it was supposed to be Toronto.
It's Toronto.
Speaker 2Yes, Okay, The Castle of Otronto by Horace Walpole.
If you would like to spend this spooky season reading the first ever Gothic novel, I have not read it, but I find it sounds like it's very interesting, So I think that that is really where this idea of the goth subculture comes from.
Is more of the gothic novel, dark, creepy, staying inside.
But what really characterizes the goth subculture is wearing black, like dressing in black.
Speaker 3Oh yeah, so Rick maybe a goth.
Speaker 1Where we'll.
Speaker 3Find a future API, but that's what it means.
Speaker 2So when we say like a goth garden or a Gothic garden, what is generally meant by that is plants with black foliage or plants that kind of have this looming presence.
So it can mean a lot of different things.
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Speaker 1Fantastic, let's hear.
Speaker 2Okay, So my number one quality, and this is the easiest one, is black foliage, because you know, that's a very common thing now.
You could because black foliage has been so popular for the last gosh, I don't know, fifteen years, twenty years or something like that.
There's tons and tons of options, everything from annuals, vegetables, perennials, shrubs, even trees if you wanted to plants it.
Speaker 3Tulips, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2If you wanted to plant an entirely black flower and foliage garden, you actually could, and if you did, please let us know because we want to see it.
That sounds pretty amazing.
But black foliage is just one way you could think about this.
You could also go for a plant with creepy gothy names, and like I said, other plants with a looming silhouette.
You know one plant that I always think of.
And when Lisa Roper from Chanticleer was on, she talked about it a little bit about the big weeping spruces that they have around the ruined garden at Chanticleer that kind of look like ghostly looming presences.
Speaker 1Yeah around the garden it be oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 2Definitely a good creepy plant.
So black foliage.
Center Stage crape myrtle, now this is an interesting one.
Beautiful, it is beautiful, and so most crape myrtles are considered Southern plants, and the tree forms definitely are because of course they can't die back, or you would not have a tree anymore.
But center stage is a shrubby crape myrtle which is actually hardy down to USDA Zone six.
It can die back to the ground and it will just come right back up and flower.
And this has some of the darkest foliage out of any crape myrtle out there.
But what's cool about it is it's not like goth and brooding all season long.
Blooms in summer, and when those flowers come out, it just takes on a totally different character.
Now, I personally like center stage red, and I think that probably is the most goth because it's combining that black with that red.
But we also have center Stage pink and center Stage coral, and they're really just beautiful plants.
That I think because of that they're long blooming and have that colorful flower.
They don't just kind of suck the life out of the landscape, which can be a risk of black plants that they just kind of become a black hole or they blend in with the soil.
The other thing about it it is very resistant to powdery mildew, because there is nothing scarier than a ugly crape myrtle covered in powdery mildew.
No one wants that now our jazz hands.
Variegated Laura pedulum.
This is a really cool plant that is looking so beautiful right now.
It is a varigated Laura pedilum.
Of course, if you live in the South, you also know this plant dark purply black foliage.
But the new both on this is variegated with white and spots of purple and pink and black.
But it's also not like a festive party.
It still has I think some like very goth kind of vibes to it.
It's not overly happy, so so don't worry about that.
Kodiak Jet black dravilla.
Love that some of the darkest foliage that has ever been introduced on a darvilla.
And what I love about this one much like the center stage crape myrtle in summer.
It has these bright, bright yellow flowers and they're small, but the contrast when those are out is just so beautiful.
Also, I love black and yellow because I like really strong contrasts, like that black hat rhododendron.
Speaker 1You gave me one a few years ago.
I planted it in my landscape.
I love that plant.
That has become a favorite.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 2So, so do you have a planet where you can set off the color or you just yet?
Speaker 1Oh yeah, there's there's hosta, and there's the hack and a kloa yellow hack and a cloa near it, and that is just gorgeous.
Speaker 2Love that.
It's a great combination.
Speaker 1Uh.
Speaker 2And then I was thinking, you know, we don't really have anything yet.
We will have a butterfly bush coming out in twenty twenty seven with near black flowers, but right now, we don't have anything with super moody gothy flowers, with a possible exception of wee bit grumpy hydrangea.
And this plant it got its name.
I think I've talked about it before because one of its trial codes was among seven the seven dwarfs.
So each of the plants in that trial group had a name from one of the seven Dwarfs.
This one was grumpy.
It made us laugh every time we looked at it, so we kept it.
But in the right soil conditions, so acidic cool, the flowers turned some very very moody, dark purples that are really really cool.
Moving on to we've got, of course the white Gela Wine and spirits, which also has the benefit of a creepy name, Midnight Wineeshine, which is probably the blackest of any Whygela, and Sonic bloom Wine, which is a reblooming wygeala.
So if you just want to be like a little goth with a black foliage, but you want some nice flower in there, it really splits the difference.
And then kind of to end up, I think that laced up and black lace elderberry are really the ultimate Goth shrubs in our collection.
So they have really dark black, kind of lacy foliage.
But once that first frost hits, the foliage kind of does this thing where it just kind of droops on the plant, So it doesn't fall off right away, it doesn't turn color, but it kind of droops and it's got like immaculate abandoned mansion vibes.
It really really a cool choice.
So if you were looking for Halloween vibes or goth vibes in your landscape, there's just a couple of suggestions.
But of course it's always about using your imagination and making it work for you.
But be sure to tune in on YouTube so you can see what all of these plants look like.
In the meantime, we're going to take a break and when we come back, we're opening up the mail bag.
Speaker 3I don't think it'll be too scary, but.
Speaker 2You never know what lurks inside.
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And welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show where Adriana just scared me half to death with some wind chimes.
You know, again it's to each their own, but when you live in a windy neighborhood and your neighbors have wind chimes, it's hard.
It's hard to get some rest.
And that's scary because I could be pretty scary when I don't get enough sleep.
But anyway, it's our time to answer your gardening questions.
If you have a gardening question that you would like us to answer, you can always just visit us at Gardening Simplified on air dot com.
There is a contact form there you can just send it right in.
There's even a place to attach a photo, because there's nothing scarier than trying to identify a garden problem without a picture to tell us what the heck is going on.
And you can also just leave a comment on our YouTube version of the show.
He Drana reads all of those and responds to them and tells us if there's something that should be answered on air.
So lots of different ways to get your questions answered.
And we're kicking this edition of Mailbag off with a question for Rick.
So Rick's expertise is requested by Melissa.
I heard Rick talk about his leaf mulching machine.
Can you describe what that is?
And did you make it yourself?
Why do you grind leaves instead of leaving them as is?
I'm also curious about creating my own compost in much.
Can you please describe the best formula.
I know you have to mix the browns and the greens, but I'm not sure how to start on my own.
Speaker 1Wow.
Well, okay, so we're referring here to the what I call the cherninator.
So this all started a number of years ago when I recognized that leaves were super important in my landscape infall, and they were free, and I wanted them because of my Dutch heritage.
But they decomposed so much more rapidly if you shred them up, and that's what we do in the lawn.
We get a super sharp blade for the lawnmower, a ninja type blade, and you can grind up the leaves and define pieces and not have to rake them up because, like my good friend Neil Sedaka said, raking up is hard to do.
So we use a lawnmower and shred the leaves finally, and the turf can handle it and not be matted.
I thought, well, this is going to work well in the landscape.
So I got myself a garbage can, a weed whacker, some safety glasses, and I'm out there churning up these leaves.
I went on an online site and you can take a look at it on YouTube.
Adriana's showing you the video right now that I put together of the cherninator in action.
It's loads of fun, it's entertaining.
I entertain myself out there and it just shreds these leaves and they make the most fantastic mulch for my garden or if you wanted to put them in a compost bin.
Yeah, they're basically decomposing quicker.
You're speeding up the process by tearing them, just shreds.
Speaker 2Increasing the surface area that makes them decompose more quickly.
You know.
Speaker 3That reminded me.
Speaker 2I did complain a bit about windy areas and wind chimes, but one of the benefits of living in a windy area is it tends to blow all of my leaves away.
Speaker 3It's true, and I don't.
Speaker 2Usually have to do very much raking orlyaf removal because nature kind of just takes care of it for me.
Hopefully they end up, you know, down in the woods somewhere and not in a neighbor's yard.
But hey, once they blow away, I don't know what the heck happens to them.
I wanted to talk about Melissa's questions about creating composts, and we've talked a little bit about this without ever directly addressing it, but you know the basics, you can read.
There's whole books written about composts.
But ultimately, composting is really just kind of managing the conditions that allow a natural process to take place so that it happens more quickly and that you actually get a usable product.
Because all organic products, which is to say, anything that comes from nature naturally is are going to decompose eventually, but some things like oak leaves can take an extremely long time because they're very very and the tannins and all of that.
But when you're composting, you want a mix of greens, which is to say, fresh material, so it doesn't necessarily literally need to be green.
It's just something that's fresh and you see and browns, and the browns are going to be dry material.
And by combining these in a rough proportion of one to two one part green to two part brown, which is so much easier said than done, because it seems for most of us we have no shortage of greens and a major shortage of browns.
But again, you don't I mean I when I've composted, you don't need to like get don't be out there with like a scale or a measuring tape or anything like that.
It's you know, you mix it, you put you layer them down, continue to layer, keep it moist.
That is what I've always found is the most crucial.
And then once you get it kind of up to the top of your bin or whatever, then you can start mixing it and mix it every once in a while, and eventually you'll have composts.
How long that takes depends on the weather.
Of course, it's going to happen much more quickly in warm weather than it's going to happen in cool weather, although you can compost all year long, I have found.
I think my number one tip though, would be that you were never really going to get composts if you keep adding to the same pile, because then you're always going to have bits of fresh stuff in there.
So it really is best, if at all possible, to have two separate piles.
One that is that you're actively adding to that's my and one that's actively you know, rotting, because I've tried it and you know, you just you go to get it and then you got like a big squishy old tomato or pepper or something nasty in there.
So it's really best to have one that's rotting, one that you are continuing to add to.
Advice, and then compost is multra interchangeable.
Speaker 1Yeah, I've learned a lot from you through the years, and last week you said something that I thought was brilliant, and that is set aside some brown browns for winter, because I'm always putting my broccoli scraps vegetable scraps into my composter, and but I don't have in winter, I don't have the browns.
Speaker 3So I think, do you know if that reminds me?
Speaker 2Someone did say I don't know if it was on YouTube or they wrote to the show, I don't recall, but someone did share that they tear up paper grocery sacks because we were talking about how it used to be that they used to just recommend newspaper and there was no shortage of newspaper.
Now there is a massive shortage of newspaper.
If indeed, you can even find one, so they tear up paper grocery sacks to provide some browns.
Speaker 1So, you know, while you were talking about the leaves to enshredding them.
In my neighborhood, as long as we have this scary show, I have two neighbors who are feuding.
Oh no, when the leaves have fallen off the trees.
If one of the neighbors leaves the house and leaves his garage door open, the other one will get out his leaf blower.
Speaker 3And well that's the very nice I know.
Speaker 1But it's the wind, did it?
Speaker 3Wow?
And you're witnessing all the wall.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, from my living room.
I'm sitting there having a.
Speaker 2This is like a real rear window kind of situation.
We had another question and I thought it was also very timely from Lily great name.
I'm in Usda Zo nine A, and I like to transplant my roses from their planters to the ground this fall.
They still have leaves, Should I prune them before transplanting?
And if so, how much should I prune?
Speaker 3So?
Speaker 1Absolutely prune them.
It's going to make it easier for you.
Speaker 2Right, there's really nothing scarier than transplanting roses.
I mean, I've been saying that about a lot of things this show, so forgive me.
It is the Little.
Speaker 3Shop of horticulture.
Speaker 2But transplanting a rose is totally one of those easier said than done things.
Now, I think that you can prune if you want, you don't really have to worry about it.
But I have to tell you my approach would be to not pruin them before transplanting, solely because or at least not majorly prune them, because if you have more to work with as you're trying to dig them out and move, that often makes it a little bit easier than if you've kind of cut them down to, you know, just a few inches or whatever.
Then you know, you really have to kind of work with very little.
And if you cause damage then and you have less of the plant, then you're gonna have to prune that off anyway.
So my general approach would be, yes, it's okay to prune, but I would typically save the pruning for after it's done.
And what I would do when you've got all those unruly canes going all over the place is use some rope or an old pair of tits, Although that's going to be a little bit tricky on a rose, but you know, just like a durable rope, put it into a ponytail and then gather that all up so that will help you get closer to the plant, and then that provides something that's much easier to move.
You can't do that if you cut it back to little stump, So this isn't really a plant health issue.
You're absolutely free to prune them, and pruning and transplanting often go very well together because no matter how careful you are, there's always some root loss, so it's good to compensate with a little bit of loss from the top as well.
Speaker 1That's what I do with my ornamental grass is when I cut them back, is I'll use the rope tie tie them in a tight bundle and then chop them off at the base.
Speaker 2So much easier than trying to get in there, and because that's a tough job too, So yes, it's totally up to you.
I think this is going to be a your mileage may very type of situation where it's going to depend on the rows and how big it is and how flexible it is.
But usually if people are planning to prune and transplant, I recommend giving yourself.
Obviously you need to sometimes prune stuff so you can actually get into it, but give yourself a margin of error of leaving the plant intact for that transplanting process and then go ahead and do your pruning once it's in its new home.
So that's just one approach.
But you know, again, this is not a plant health based reason.
This is a convenience in transplanting based reason.
So thank you both for your questions.
We're going to take a little break.
When we come back, we are going to be continuing a very scary conversation about creepy Crawley's and weeds and all that scary stuff.
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Speaker 1Welcome back to the Little Shop of Horticulture, Stacy.
We could probably do three, four five shows on this because thinking about it, for example, someone could say you haven't mentioned poison ivy yet, and is poison ivy the worst thing growing on planet Earth?
Some people would argue that maybe it's a harsh assessment as far as summertime problems go.
A bad case of poison ivy competes with horrible sunburn, a swarm of black fly and mosquito bites.
Or how about the ubiquitous European paper wasp that loves to congregate under your deck, your patio furniture, and when disturbed, packs a punch.
There's all kinds of weeds like bind weed.
I call that frankenvine is what I call it.
And there are different types of bind weed.
There's a hedge bind weed, and then there's one that's a relative to the morning glory family called field bind weed.
And this thing is a real problem.
And I think we have to take our cues from the agriculture industry, and that is bind weed can become a real problem in fields.
And the problem that it creates Stacey is not necessarily the esthetic issues, but its root system is extensive and it sucks a lot of water out of the ground, and if you have a year like we had this past year with drought and heat, can create some problems.
Speaker 2Yeah, And you know, I think one of the biggest issues and I'm certainly guilty of this.
Well before I was in horticulture school, but when I was working as a landscaper.
You're out there, you're weeding, You're like, oh, a wild morning glory.
How lovely exactly because the flowers do look very much like a morning glory.
And so if you have this in your yard and you're weeding, you might be inclined to say, hey, this is perfectly lovely.
I'm going to leave this go.
You should not.
Speaker 3You will regret it.
Speaker 2Not to mention that by letting it go to flour you're just going to get more seeds to spread more, and that is really scary thing about weeds.
They're very very successful at spreading and growing.
So look up bind weed.
There may be different types of bind weed that are native to your area, and know what you're dealing with, so you don't just think that you have some special wild morning glory popping up in your yard.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Some people refer to it common name as devil's weed or devil's guts, so careful gy, Yeah it is.
How about Dodd.
It's an annual seed bearing parasitic vine.
Now more of a problem in the south than it is.
Let's say here, in the north or with our Canadian friends.
But this is, you know, one of these parasitic type vines.
It's fascinating how it well, you know, the seeds will fall to the soil, and then when the growing season starts, it starts to grow and it tries to find something to latch onto, and then once it does, it abandons the roots and basically sucks the life out of the plant that it's consuming.
Dotter, it's an annual seed bearing parasitic vine that's got to be in the shop of horror.
Speaker 2Oh absolutely, And I distinctly remember the first time that I ever encountered daughter and I freaked out.
I mean it, so, you know, you're obviously you're envisioning sort of everything that Rick just describes so well.
But what Rick didn't mention is that it is this bright yellow orange color.
Speaker 3So it's not green.
Speaker 2It is this weird bright yellow orange that looks like something that like dropped out of some sort of alien ship or something.
And yeah, I remember, so I was working again as a landscaper, going way back here to all of those those old times, and we had this little kind of bed at the entrance to a subdivision or a condo development or something like that, and there was it was all planted with you know, annuals and one time, you know, we came there to do our annualine, our our weekly or bi weekly weeding or whatever, and the whole bed was covered in this orange spaghetti looking thing.
Speaker 1Crazy.
Speaker 2It happened so fast, you know, because we were doing relatively regular maintenance.
Adriana is going for her phone because she's got to get the mental image.
So if you need the mental image, be sure to check us out on YouTube.
Speaker 1Yeah, and Stacy, let me quick mention if you're keeping score at home or you're in the car listening on the radio or podcast d O D D E R.
Speaker 2Yes, scot cascuda is its scientific name.
Adriana has a big frown on her face because she just looked up the daughter c us c us t a.
So it's kind of a fun, uh scientific name.
But yeah, So then it makes these little suckering structures that it attaches to the host plant with.
They're called astoria H A U S T R I A and yeah, so there they aren't just using the plant's as structure that they literally make these little mouth like structures that directly connect to the plants, and they are literally sucking the xylum and connecting to the xylum and flow and sucking the water and sugar out of the host plant.
And yet once it is established, it totally disconnects from the ground.
So you can't even trace this thing back and find a place to pull it and sever it if you have daughter.
If you had daughter in a bed, then I would honestly just recommend that you take out everything that's in it, and I would use a pre emergent in that bed, even if that means that you couldn't grow something that you wanted to.
And of course a pre emergent is fine as long as you're not trying to grow from seed.
Daughter is a true annual, so you don't have to worry about the plant returning.
But as a weed, it does put out a ton of seeds.
And yeah, you don't see it often here, but you do see it.
Speaker 1So, yeah, the plants are weakly photosynthetic.
More So, as Stacey mentioned, the host storia basically just tap into the plant's vasculars Yep, they just.
Speaker 2Chuck the juices right out like a barnacle or something.
Speaker 1I've got a hot take.
Hot take controversial plant in my shop of horticultural horrors, and people are going to be upset with me, oh marigolds, But again, remember I come from the garden center industry.
I have handled hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of flats over the course of my lifetime.
And when you've handled fifty two thousand, five hundred and sixty seven flats of marigolds and you smell like them, you do not like marigles hardy.
I had to get that, all right, fair you had your win chimes.
I got my marigolds, hardy orchid, broad leaf helleborine drives me crazy.
And then we've got to mention for a lot of people, especially on the East coast Northeast, are dealing with spotted lantern fly.
And this thing is an invasive species that has spread to eighteen states in the United States.
Key areas that have been affected are Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware, New York, Virginia.
But it's moving along.
We're waiting for it here in Michigan to appear.
And this is an invasive insect that will basically do damage to all kinds of plants, but loves the tree of heaven.
Yeah, ilanthis and ilanthus is another shop of horticulture horrors.
That tree is it is?
So I got to mention it.
Speaker 2No, and that's good to mention because now, especially if you live in an area, well, maybe it's not a good idea to remove any ilanthis if you don't have spotted lantern fly yet, because then that just means they're going to eat your other stuff as soon as they arrive.
And they're like, wait, what, no, right, exactly, better go eat your Japanese maple because maple is one of their favorite other foods and when they can't get the ilanthis.
But yeah, and unfortunately it's just a matter of time because they One of the main ways that they spread is if you make a nice road trip to an area where there is spotted lantern fly, they love to lay their eggs on cars.
Yeah, and so that is one of the ways.
You know, it's not just a situation where the insect itself is just flying and you know, moving its range a little bit here and there.
Humans are actively playing apart.
It's spreading it by you know, accidentally transporting the eggs.
Speaker 1And in that adult stage, they don't necessarily have to fly as a matter of fact, they like to go for a walk.
They take a walk.
So if you're out there on the patio in summer and you've got one, you're sweating and they're crawling up the back of your neck.
Speaker 3Have you seen one yet a spotted lantern fly?
Speaker 1My daughter has described in detail to me what it's like to sit in Pennsylvania.
Oh, okay, and when she was living there.
Speaker 2Oh, I have not seen one yet.
I truly dread the day when I do.
But yeah, anyone I know on the East Coast is just, you know, saying horrible things about you know, how they're just ruining your ability to sit outside, and they just they can conglomerate.
So there's bunches of them.
But at least when there's a lot a lot of them, you can you know, kill a whole bunch at once with like a fly swater.
So get to know what they look like, so you know, if they do reach you what they're actually quite pretty.
I mean I hate to say that about them because they are so destructive, but they are quite lovely.
Speaker 1We've got to include on the list, and there are hundreds of plants and invasive species we could include, and we're gonna have to do an additional show on this, but I got to make sure to throw in here calorie pair.
Good intentions got out of control.
You know, it's one of the first trees to bloom in the spring, covered with white flowers that have this objectionable fouls smell to them.
Some people say they smell like mothballs or ammonia or whatever, but it just doesn't smell well.
The tree grows at upright angles with weak crotches that break with age.
And of course, Stacey, the problem here this plant has become highly invasive and crowds out native species.
Speaker 2Oh, the invasive on this plant is really out of control.
I mean, if you drive pretty much anywhere at least I can speak for the eastern half of the US anywhere in the spring when it's in bloom.
You know, you don't really notice it too much when it's not in bloom, but when it is in bloom, you just see how utterly widespread it has become.
And this isn't as simple as just saying like, oh, hey, I'll just take my little trowel with me on a hike and you know, take up any invasive species.
I mean, you need a chainsaw to manage this invasive species and that is dangerous.
Speaker 3Scary.
Speaker 1You got it, boy, what a scary show.
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Speaker 1Thank you, Rick, Thank you very much.
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