Oh, snap, snap.

Well, hello, raw feeders.

I'm Didi Mercer Moffat, CEO of Raw Dog Food and Company, where your pets help is our business, and we're friends like my friend, Dr.

Judy Jasic.

Uh, doesn't let friends feed kibble and probably doesn't let him get on apple quil, which we're going to talk about today.

No way, Jasic.

No way.

No, no apple quil and no testing for asymptomatic cancer either.

What is asymptomatic cancer?

Would you explain that one to me?

Asymptomatic cancer.

What does this mean?

You actually do have cancer.

We're probing for cancer.

We're just looking at it, even though there's nothing wrong with you at all.

What does this mean?

I think it means they want a reason to start chemotherapy and start treating cancer.

They want a reason to start treating cancer without any symptoms to support that there's cancer there in the first place.

So I'd like to like run that test.

I'll have to see, like, get somebody here that's got a pet and just run it just to see, like, like an otherwise completely healthy dog and like how many of them come up positive.

Because I bet anything, a lot of healthy dogs are gonna come up positive.

It's like, well, I can hear the verbiage.

Well, if we start treating now, then we're gonna prevent it, then we're gonna prevent the cancer from taking home because your dog, otherwise, you know, in six months, your dog's gonna have cancer.

But asymptomatic, and you know, we were talking about this at our at our team meeting today, how the verbiage, the verbiage that came out during COVID, like you didn't really hear the term asymptomatic infections until you know, then COVID came out, you know, like widespread.

Like you know what asymptomatic means.

No, so but it came up during COVID.

Well, you can be an asymptomatic carrier, like us evil unvaccinated people.

You could be asymptomatic and or or asymptomatic shedder.

I think we could be shedding it and not be, you know, and and not be symptomatic and all that.

So now they're using that same word.

It's like it's all one big plan, one big marketing plan.

Like let's start the fear and then let's float these words out there, like asymptomatic, and yeah.

You know, I'd like to know, I'd like to know how many people, okay, were bullied, okay, threatened, shamed, you know, all of those words um by their doctor, okay, to get the injections, and then they're still seeing that doctor with all of the information that has come out, right?

Dr.

JC, all the information that's come out.

Why, if something is so good, would you have to incentivize somebody with thousands, tens of thousands of dollars?

Why?

Why?

Because as they say, when something is good, the word gets out and people want it.

Right.

People are screaming it from the rooftops, yeah.

Right, right.

Awesome.

I mean, did you ever hear anybody say, gosh, I just got that COVID shot?

Man, do I feel great?

I just feel better than I've ever felt in my whole life.

Usually they're in bed for three days afterwards, or worse, worse symptoms.

Right.

And I just, I just wonder, because again, like I've said before, it shatters your trust in in the health professionals.

Just like, you know, this when when Lazie got sick and she was vomiting profusely, and you were on that ride with me, right?

Because I was texting you.

And it always reminds me, you know that Carvana commercial, Dr.

Jasic, where it's uh, I forget the actors, it's a husband and wife acting team, and they're like gonna sell a car.

And she's like, Hold, hold, you know, like he's like, we gotta sell, we gotta sell.

She's like, hold.

That's how I kind of felt like when we were going through the whole thing with with Lazie, you were like, Hold, you know, deliver enzymes, then hold, don't do, hold, don't do anything, you know.

And um, but for me, when I think about what they put Lazie through, all of the tests that they were trying to convince me that she was um pushing, she was Addison, she had pancreatitis, she had lepto, she had she had none of it, zero.

She had a she had an upset stomach.

Her body was trying to purge something, right?

And she got dehydrated, yeah.

And so it it makes perfect sense to me that pet parents would be in an enormous amount of fear because they're like, okay, obviously I'm not a doctor, and as a pet parent would think to themselves, I'm not a doctor, I know that my pet is in distress.

However, I don't trust this entire community over here.

So what do I do?

Right?

It's it's a it's a very, very, very serious issue.

It's a very real issue that we're going through with our pets and in the healthcare community.

Yeah, period, Barnott.

That's what I want to do.

I'm gonna create a new paradigm and start training up some young vets that get it and that people can trust.

And I've met a few, and it's it's really exciting to think that because, like someday, like, you know, I quit doing this.

Well, then what are people?

Well, not like I'm the only one that practices this way, but there aren't very many that do.

And you know, and and a lot of us are getting older.

A lot of the people I know that have this same kind of mindset are getting older.

So we need to get the youngsters, and the youngsters have it really hard because they come out of school with a bunch of debt and they've been all indoctrinated by the system.

But if if you know, my goal is I can inspire them to practice a different way, and you know, uh working on setting up a little clinic where I can demonstrate it.

You know, I feel like you can't just say it, you got to say, look, this is what this looks like.

This is how this operates, like true health, where people come in and they learn about wellness.

They learn about how to feed their pet and how not to do all these vaccines and all these pharmaceuticals and how to really create health and they get the education they need.

So it's like you're never going to change the system as it is.

So we need a whole new, we need a whole new paradigm.

We need a whole new approach and system for educating pet parents, but they need someplace to go where they can trust the people and that that they know they're they have the knowledge base, you know.

It's not just they're reading in in a Facebook group or something, you know, they it's somebody they trust that has the background, the knowledge base to to guide them appropriately.

And you know, it's it's so health is so simple, you know, just sometimes the body just needs a little help, you know.

That what they see as disease is just the body like lousy, just trying to purr, trying to get vomit and get get something out.

And then she got dehydrated.

I was talking to at the chiropractic office, I started going to one of the ladies there, was telling me she had a little 15-year-old dog, and and the dog's been doing great, already eating raw and doing really good, and then it stopped eating.

And it was seemed acting really painful.

So they go in and they put it on pain meds and all this stuff.

The dog is not eating and drinking.

So the dog went a whole week without eating and drinking.

Well, it's already dehydrated, they're not doing fluids, they're giving it pain meds.

Turns out the dog had an abscessed anal gland, you know, we were in a fever, right?

Right, they completely misdiagnosed the whole thing that was going on with the dog.

If they had just kept the dog high and the dog's kidney values went up because it's an older dog, so they can't bounce back, they can't like not drink enough for a whole week, and they just don't bounce back overnight.

So then finally they figured this out, and the dog got some fluids.

Now the dog's doing fine.

But you know, that dog could have died not from kidney failure, but because they weren't supporting its body properly, you know.

I see it all the time.

It's like the same thing like you went through with lousy, and I just see that scenario all the time.

They just keep testing and medicating and testing and medicating, and you just need to do some basic support, rule out anything life-threatening, and then give the body a couple days to heal.

You know, it's so it's so simple, but they don't make enough money doing that.

These poor private equity companies that own these corporate clinics.

I mean, geez, I'd hate to see the you know, these executives not get their multi-million dollar bonuses, you know, I'd be a shame.

Breaks my heart just to think about it.

You know, it's it it the other side of it, too, is what makes it so frightening is the warning labels, the labels that clearly say these drugs that are super duper popular, like the anti-itch medication Apoquil, have these massive adverse uh effects, including cancer.

But I wonder if anybody out there that's listening that has their dog on ApoQuil.

Okay.

CytoPoint, ApoQuil, you know, they're different, but we're talking about a little bit different.

I mean, they both do some of the same things, the different ones shut down different things, but ApoQuil specifically, which has been, I see it advertised on TV all the time, it has some massively scary side effects, Dr.

JC.

Great.

Yep.

And yet pet parents think that this is a great alternative instead of changing the food.

Now, maybe I I would contend that most people that are listening to this podcast might change the food or probably already have changed the food, but people that don't know anything about raw because their pet health professionals poo-poo it don't even have an idea that it's a very simple change in a lot of circumstances, right?

Change the food, stop putting toxins in, but they're gonna put this very, very scary drug in their pet.

And I would bet that they're not told that prior to, they're not given full consent, right?

Right.

They're not told that, you know, some of the side effects are, you know, it could be worsening skin infections.

Um there could be, you know, lumps and growths.

Um, there might be some ear infections going on, uh, maybe even cancer, Dr.

JC, maybe even cancer.

And I would say that dogs that are eating a poor diet, um doing all of the preventatives, then getting on something like this.

Typically, we see the next phase, however many years down the road that is, cancer.

Wow, cancer just popped up.

Right.

I think if pet parents, like if they don't believe us, they don't have to believe us, but just ask, ask your vet, like they want to search on a drug named Apple, hey, could I see the you know, the the package insert?

Because that, you know, safety warning I sent you, it was actually an ad, and it's just a I just I'm on a general veterinary list, so I get these journals and stuff, and it was an ad in there for veterinarians.

So veterinarians have this information if they're reading it, and wouldn't you think, wouldn't you think that a veterinarian, the profession that's supposed to keep pets healthy, that they read the safety warnings on the drugs that they're handing out, like candy?

But I bet, I bet they don't.

And that ad Applequil, it was quick acting.

So guess what?

You can give your pet cancer even faster.

Oh, yes, let's let's let's tell the truth.

Would you like to give your dog cancer super fast?

We've got the answer for you right here.

Yeah, I so the important warnings, it's right there in the important warnings.

Um, Apoquil can also suppress immune response, making infections more likely or harder to control.

And then it does also say it inhibits the genus kinase or the JAC enzymes, um, which can affect your immune system.

And it has been observed in dogs treated with apoquil lymphoma and other cancers.

Right.

So why would you risk that?

I mean, is that worth not having your dog itch, especially when we we tell people and people listen to us that if you change the diet, that that can help and you stop vaccinating as much and you and you don't use the the next guard and brevecto, these lean tick products, which are shown to cause uh itching too.

So if you're using those products, your pet's likely to itch more.

So this is better.

You risk cancer.

I mean, you're you're putting your pet's life on the line.

I mean, how would you that?

Or who would do that?

But the other thing is this drug, when it first came out, one of the big marketing things was not a steroid.

So they kind of made, you know, people get a little afraid.

Oh, I don't want to do steroids.

I'm I'm worried about that prednisone.

I can tell you prednisone is way safer than this.

Not that I would use it long term for itching, but if I had to do something short term, like say a pet's just they're digging holes in their skin, they're so itchy, and we just need to give them a chance to rest and and get some other things on board and make some changes, maybe change the diet and all that.

I'd do two weeks of prednisone before I'd ever do anything like Apical because prednisone does have its own side effects, but a couple of weeks, it's not going to give your pet cancer because I've been doing that for years, just short term, just to give some temporary relief, you know, um, anti-inflammatory relief.

Um, prednisone is way safer, but they make people afraid of that.

And it's the fear thing, they make people afraid of the prednisone.

But guess what?

We got another alternative that's even more toxic, but you don't have to be afraid of that one.

Isn't that crazy?

They make people afraid of the thing that's not as dangerous, and they give them something else and tell them they don't have to be afraid of it, even though the side effects are way worse.

How does that happen?

I just don't I just don't get it.

You know, and I was looking in like some of these drugs, you know, what do they do?

Right.

So the uh quarter uh steroids and stuff like that, and primnisone's in that arena, but hydrocortisone is in there, but there's also uh cytotoxic drugs, so those are chemotherapy agents, and then there's also how do you say this calcinurine uh inhibitors, calcinurin, um, and then the jack inhibitors, what we were just talking about, like apoplequill.

And so it was saying in a lot of these, it blocks the T cell activation, the T cell.

So I'm like, is that the killer T cells?

Is that the cells that actually kill the cancer cells?

Is that why we we see in these types of drugs?

Because they're blocking the T cell activation.

Yeah, they're blocking the actual the way that the reason they stop the itching because itching is an immune response.

It's the body is reacting to something.

And anything that just can shut off itching, it's it's stopping the immune system from acting.

And they're like you're saying, there's different mechanisms.

All the different drugs that do that have different mechanisms of of action.

They're affecting a different part of the immune system.

But yeah, they're stopping the body from functioning properly and eliminating abnormal cells like cancer cells.

And you know, the body has defense mechanisms to deal with toxins and you know, unwanted bacteria or you know, things, foreign bodies, foreign things that come into the body and abnormal cells like cancer cells.

The body has mechanisms for cleaning them up.

If you shut down those mechanisms, sure, then they can just take hold and grow.

So I remember, you know, Neely saying, because she would see these dogs, right?

That and and you've seen them, where their hair, right, has totally fallen out a lot of times underneath the body, right?

No hair, and their skin's black.

And she would say, in almost every single one of these dogs that she saw, what she found out was that these dogs all were on some type of steroid, had been on a steroid, and then they got put on apoquil.

And then, um, so she would see this, and she's she did say that then then these dogs also a lot of them had cancer.

And when you do some research on this, it says combining multiple immunosuppressants like apoquil and steroids plus cyclosporin greatly increases serious infections and cancers in dogs.

Yeah, and I see that done all the time, apical and steroids, even though they, you know, will tell people, you know, that apical is better and you don't want to use the steroids, they'll still do steroids in the short term.

So they just give this big, you know, blast of it.

And and even prednisone, you know, if it's a long-term treatment, I've seen a lot of those pets.

So this is way before like apical was even a thing, and pets would be put on steroids for months and months and months, those pets would get cancer too.

A couple weeks, they're usually okay because you're alleviating the stress and allowing the skin to heal.

But at the same time, you're you're starting other things, you're changing the diet, you're doing herbs, you're doing things to help treat the skin, and then you can you can wean them off.

But and why start them on multiple?

You know, if you're gonna start them on one on a medication to suppress the immune system, doesn't it make sense to start that one and see if it works before you start stacking two or three of them?

But no, I see them start two or three at the same time because we need to even cancer fast because they make a lot of money selling chemotherapy.

You know, cynical these days?

It's okay.

It's okay.

I'm right there with you.

I am I'm right there with you.

I just think that okay, you have to, you guys, you have to think of it like this.

Let what what is your job?

Not you, Dr.

JC, but just talking to our listeners.

So let's think about this.

What is the job that supports you, right?

Pays your house payment, feeds your kids, puts gas in your car.

Okay.

Now, let's say that some sort of information came out that you know about, not everybody knows about it, but you know about it.

And if that information got out, that the job that you do somehow is either harming the environment or the chemicals that are in your plant or harming, you know, wildlife or whatever.

Let's just say that that got out.

Would you would you want to blow the whistle?

Would you really still um keep your mouth shut?

Or would you hope like hell that that information never got out because it would affect your income, it would totally affect your way of life, it would affect your income.

Would you just somehow justify it in your mind?

The fact that you don't look at it, you don't do the research, you act like it doesn't exist because it would affect your income, it would affect the way you eat.

What would you do?

And because you know, you think about it, we're not talking, we're talking about millions and millions, if not billions, of dollars in the pet food industry alone.

So they don't really want to look at that, they don't really want to look at that and say, well, you know, this kind of food really does cause itching in the pets, and I could just get them off that food.

But if you got them off that food and that food happens to be the food that you sell, that kibble, that prescription diet, are you really gonna do that?

Or are you just gonna put them on something?

Because if you if you said go to a raw diet, you don't sell a raw diet, you're losing income.

Okay.

Now, if you go to an apple quill, which causes cancer, right, you aren't gonna lose any money actually, you're gonna make money.

Right.

So I just I just think that that there it's it's got to be this massive compartmentalization, right?

Because I can't believe that everybody out there likes to just make people empathy.

They just don't want to be inconvenienced in their own lives, they don't want to have to find a new way to make money, right?

And you know, in the and the vets, the medical professionals, you know, this whole thing called standard of care.

So the AVMA says this is an FDA-approved drug, this Apple quil, so it's okay to use it.

So then they're like, Well, the AVMA says it's okay.

There's these safety warnings, but you know, they say it's okay and it's standard of care.

So I can't get in trouble but for using it.

Even if it harms my patients, I can't get sued.

You know, I mean, I guess they could get sued, but they've got a pretty strong stance if it's considered standard of care and it's and it's FDA approved and all that.

So they feel that something's if something is considered standard of care, they feel the safety net, and then it's okay, even though the warnings say all these side effects.

I don't know what, I don't know how they justify that to the vets.

Like, so if I I I used to grill the the pharmaceutical reps that would come in to visit me, and eventually they didn't come in anymore.

Because all as they have is beauty, no fun because because it became a game.

Once I sell the game, you know, they just come in with their script and they sell this stuff and they tell you how to sell it based on fear and how much money you're gonna make and all this stuff.

And my game was to ask them questions till they couldn't answer them because they all they have is a script, yet it's what these pharmaceutical reps say that dictates how the vets treat their patients.

That's who's deciding your pets care when you go into the vet.

It's what they've been told by the pharmaceutical rep who comes in and buys them lunch and says, Okay, you just sell this and you give this drug for this thing, and look at this apple quill, it's quick acting and now it's chewable, so it's easier to get it in them.

I doubt that they read those adverse effects, but they print them out there so that they're there, so they can't say that you didn't know, and then then you know they they the companies can put it on the vets, but then the vets are let off the hook because it's standard of care and the poor pets are left with cancer.

It's a mess-up system.

It is.

If if you do a search of what standard of care is, okay, here's what it says the degree of care, skill, and judgment that reasonably skilled professionals in similar circumstances would exercise.

Um, so they say in human medicine, it's what a doctor with similar training would do for a similar patient.

And in veterinary medicine, what a competent okay, veterinarian would do for a similar animal under similar circumstances.

But here's the key feature of that reasonable and appropriate.

It says it's not the best possible care, but what is considered reasonable under the circumstances.

It's not the reasonable and appropriate, okay.

Reasonable and appropriate, it's not the best possible care.

It doesn't even have to make them better, just reasonable and appropriate.

But think about this, Dr.

Jason.

If we took that and we applied it to what happened in COVID, okay, what a doctor with similar training would do for a similar patient.

So Dr.

Fauci was the one that was, you know, the mouthpiece.

He doesn't even see patients, he's never seen a patient.

And what kind of doctor is he anyway?

Well, I don't even know.

Every doctor was was going in lockstep.

In lockstep.

You couldn't even, and here's the other thing: if we ever enter into a place like this again, where companies because hospitals are a company, okay, are greatly incentivized, then you have censorship mixed with that.

So somebody's greatly incentivized, and then there's censorship.

Don't you think there's a problem there, guys?

I mean, just one of those would be bad, but let's combine the two, shall we?

We're gonna pay you great deals of money to say this, and we're gonna censor anybody that goes against you.

Now, I don't know why anybody thought that was a good idea.

Right.

But that's exactly what happened.

Mm-hmm.

It's probably that same thing in the vet vet profession.

I mean, I don't know who who is getting the uh the big payoffs, but I'm sure the same thing is happening.

There's vets.

Well, it probably happens at these at the continuing education meetings, you know, where they their speakers, and the speakers typically the talks at the big meetings are sponsored by either like you go to a nutrition lecture, it's going to be sponsored by Hills or Royal Canaan or Purina.

And bottom line is they're promoting one of their foods.

So are they paying that speaker a little kickback to promote their food?

Bet they are, and it's the same thing.

All of those, all of those big meetings, those like the AVMA and you know, most of like the state associations, they're all sponsored by these big drug companies and the food companies.

And they buy lunches and dinners and they put on entertainment, but all of the talks are sponsored by one of these big companies.

And bottom line is it's promoting their products.

I mean, they they make it sound like they're reporting research and that they're reporting science, but it's really just a big marketing thing.

That's all it really is, it's not education at all.

Yeah, I was I was looking up um why so many vets commit suicide.

I was like, why?

And and and and it it's quite interesting, actually.

Um, so it says that veterinarians' experience um has one of the highest suicide rates among professions, often exceeding that of the general population.

And then because there's so many mental health stressors, they say, in this profession, right?

They got long hours, heavy workloads, and the emotional exhaustion from caring for sick animals, right?

Because why do people go to the vet most of the time?

Because their animals are sick, and then they say, you know, they have this huge responsibility, life and death decisions for animals, which are um, you know, often under you know certain timelines and regulations.

And so this impact of euthanasia as well, they say, is really um linked to this moral distress, grief, and depression in the vets.

So I often wonder, Dr.

Jasek, I mean, think about this.

You go to vet school, you come out, you got 150.

To$250,000 in debt, you go to work for a clinic and you're not making, you know, that kind of money.

I mean, if you're a great surgeon, maybe you do, but you've got these high workloads, you see a lot of sick animals.

Don't you think that more vets, or doesn't it seem like more vets would be saying, what the hell is wrong?

It can't be that these animals just are sick.

It can't be that all these animals just need to die.

Isn't there a better way?

I mean, don't you think that somehow they they would say, okay.

And and I don't know, maybe they just feel trapped.

Maybe I think they know, I think they know deep in their heart.

Because they think I think anybody that goes to vet school really truly goes because they want to help the animals.

Because you don't go to vet school to be rich.

You know, you can make a good living, but if you're Dr.

Morty, Dr.

Morty's pet food, because you get the seizure.

But he's in the food business.

Um but I think that I think they start out well intentioned, but then you know, they get taught this bill of goods and and how to do all these, you know, just do all these pharmaceuticals, and they gotta see.

I mean, that's when I woke up.

I'm like, this isn't working.

Like I've learned all this stuff.

This isn't helping pets.

I mean, I saw it right before my eyes.

That's why I changed.

So every vet has to see that, but maybe they just don't know how to break out of it.

So, like you said, they feel trapped, and that's feeling traps a really tough position with so many clinics now being corporate, and they got a good salary, they got this debt, maybe they have a young family to support.

It it can be hard.

Yet uh part of them, I think they just know they're selling their soul and they're not doing what's in the best interest of the animals, and that's why they end up, you know, killing themselves, because they just don't, they just don't see a way out.

But there, but there is a way out, you know, they can practice differently.

They they just they just don't see it, they just don't know what that path is.

By the time they get out of that school, they're so indoctrinated that they just don't see another path.

That's what I want to try to do.

I want to shine a flashlight on the other path.

That's right.

Because you have created another path.

You have created another path.

And Dr.

Jasic, it's not as if you've been hiding in a corner.

We talk about this stuff on on the on the podcast all the time.

You go out and you give talks, and and and why do I say that?

Because I'm saying a I feel that, and correct me if I'm wrong, that a lot of vets worry that they're gonna lose their license.

Right.

You haven't had your license yanked, and furthermore, I've heard you say, take my license.

I don't need it to do what I know I can do to help pets.

Right.

Right, there is another way you can create a great lifestyle in helping pets.

And that is why I'm so excited about you know these things that these clinics that you're looking at creating.

Um, and if there are any vets out there, if there are any vets out there that are listening, if you have somebody in your family that's currently in vet school, just got out of vet school, um it's gonna be it, it it it it they're in a they're in a captured environment for sure.

There, there is no way uh other than that because they they have quotas, right?

You bring in a you you bring in an um uh ultrasound.

I I've seen it, our daughter's bet, I've seen you know what they do inside these clinics.

You bring in an ultrasound machine, now you've got to get the people to use it because the darn thing's expensive, gotta pay for it, right?

Right.

Um, so if you think you don't have quotas, if you think there's not some sort of financial incentive incentive to do things that maybe you don't need to do, that that definitely are gonna put our pet parents in hardship, financial hardship, emotional hardship, and certainly a lot of it, not even good for the pet, right?

Totally different way, and they're definitely paid on production.

I mean, the the vets, like part of their salary is a percentage of what they make.

They're they're making they're baking a commission and they have monthly quotas to make.

And so if a vet needs to make generate, they have to they're some of them are obligated to generate a certain amount of money for the clinic, like every month.

And if they don't, they have to pay that money back.

They don't get a bonus and then they have to pay the money back.

So if you go in on the last day of the month and they haven't met their quota yet, I get get the upsell so that they can meet their quota, or they're getting ready to go on vacation.

They need a little extra money.

Well, you know, they sell a few extra things, then they get a little, a little, you know, healthier paycheck that month, and then they can go on a nicer vacation.

So it's, you know, I it's it'd be easy to get wrapped into that.

And that's why they do it, you know.

And then the vets maybe compete with each other.

How much did you make this?

How much and that sadly, that's what practice success becomes.

Like you go to these big meetings and they also have practice management lectures where they because because we have no business training.

Vets don't get any business training.

You go out and you get these practice management lectures, and practice success, it's all about the money.

You never I've never once sat in a practice management lecture where it said, How do you track the health of your patients?

Do you track how many healthy patients, how many pets got better, how many, you know, successful skin treatments you had?

They never tell you to track those statistics.

The only thing they teach you to track is the bottom line.

And yeah, you're in business.

So yes, you got to look at the numbers, but you're in the business of healing.

And if you're not tracking how successful you are as a healer, then all you're doing is is money.

And I think that's where the vets end up feeling like they're selling their souls because they're not healers anymore.

They go to vet school wanting to be healers and they end up as drug pushers.

That's not why they went.

So they just feel trapped and doesn't feel rewarding, and they just don't know how to do different, they just don't know the way out and they paid all this money, or even if mom and dad paid for it, well, they'll you know, they'll be disappointed in me if I don't keep this career, but they're miserable.

And you still got the debt.

You got the debt.

I got the debt.

Yep, you got the debt, and so you gotta I I would just encourage you guys to again, if you know anybody that is in vet school that has just come out of vet school, maybe they've been at you know, a vet for a while, and you could just see the light has gone out in their eyes.

You it would really, really behoove them and you to tell them about Dr.

J-Z and to have a conversation, have them reach out to me.

I'm happy to talk to any of them, really.

Yeah, because it is a huge industry, but look, we all love pets.

We all love our pets.

We want our pets to be healthy, and we have got to find a different way to do it, right?

And um, there is a way Dr.

J-Z has done it, and it just takes somebody standing behind you saying, hey, this fear is baseless, right?

And and you know, the amazing thing is I'm actually able to make a living doing it too.

You know, like they teach the best, like, well, you you got to sell all these products uh in order to make a living.

Well, I came full circle and I got people coming in to see me because I'm not doing all that stuff.

So there's plenty of people that want that kind of care.

And you can do Chinese medicine, you can do acupuncture, you can do chiropractic.

There's so many things you can do to help pets that is not about just pushing a bunch of drugs into them.

And if you do the right business plan, you can have a very nice income and not stress and you enjoy it, and you enjoy it.

You don't have to be, you know, medical professionals don't have to feel stressed and trapped.

You can actually practice in a way that is really enjoyable.

Yeah.

So get over to a havet.com.

That's ah vet.com.

That's where dr jace gives.

She can um talk to you, do a consultation, uh, whether that's for you as a vet, uh, aspiring vet, and a veteran vet, um, or whether that's for your pet.

You can get over to ah vet.com.

And listen, get your dog on a species-appropriate diet.

Um, I just don't, uh, there is nothing good about kibble.

Uh, cooked is gonna be substandard.

I mean, raw is the top of the chain, guys.

It is what your animals were created to eat.

Um, if bacteria, if the big bacteria boogeyman was gonna get the dogs, well, in my 25 years, I think I would have seen it.

You know, Dr.

Jesse, I just haven't seen it.

Me either.

I don't know where it is.

I don't know where it is either.

And I will say this that the rules and laws around producing the raw diets are so much more stringent today than they were 25 years ago.

Okay.

And I certainly didn't see it then.

I darn sure don't see it now.

So that is a that is just you can just toss that right out the door.

Toss it right out the door.

And I would challenge your bets.

I would challenge your bets.

Why is my dog itching?

I I gosh, I wish you guys would just send me all the reasons that they say your dog itches.

Well, my dog's allergic.

Okay, well, okay, I see that he's itching, but what is causing it?

Right.

Well, it says whatever.

I mean, we can help.

We can help.

And and we are in the true pet health business.

We care about how your dog feels and looks.

Our dogs eat raw, our dogs have been on raw.

We have a huge body of evidence.

Um, a huge body of evidence.

So we'll talk to you.

It's free.

It's free to talk to us, and we can certainly help you get started on a species appropriate diet.

Brian is right there.

He's in the chat.

Uh, you can sign up for a free consultation.

We will help you get your dog feeling and looking better today.

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And what, Dr.

JC?

Our friends don't let friends feed kibble, y'all.

That's right.

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