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Well, thanks to Ober one and it's a bit of a special episode today because we did, of course last week have the Mysterious Planet Part one where we had a chat to host of the TV show Lee Hart and well we got about halfway through it and we delved into a few of the mysteries, but didn't have enough time last week.

So I'd like to welcome back once again to the show Lee Heart.

Thanks man, great to be here.

And yeah, mysteries out there certainly suck up time and took a lot of my life, you know, making that show, and many of other researchers before me, documentary filmmakers, I mean, last time we.

Cover it off your biggies, your Locknest, Monster, Bigfoot, Marshall, Peachew, Musha pe Peru, Musham Pichue.

So we're getting around the world, man, We see that we're traveling around and that's really putting a lot of strain on us as a film crew, on the budget, starting to squeeze.

What was the biggest cost you found with making this TV show?

Wages?

Yeah, I think you know, cameramen aren't cheap.

Shot medical bills.

Yeah, I was gonna say, if you have to pay for the medical bills after snake bites, it's probably an unforeseen cost.

I don't know how much.

TV you've made, but you normally make a rap party after the end of a series, you make it a twelve part series something, or you know, end of the year, you have a.

Rap party the whole crew.

We tended to do that after every show or sometime after every day sometimes just because we didn't know where it was going to end up.

You know, we're in a different country, different cultures.

You need to sort of become a part of that.

So we moved on from Scotland.

After Graham Cosby, one of the researchers, we were looking into a lot ne this master Worth.

He had a nervous breakdown.

Yeah.

I think we lifted at him and Chase and you didn't get up with a camera tripod.

We left him to go back to try and patch up his marriage, which I don't think he's done in that time.

I don't know where he is now.

We find ourselves in New Mexico, in America the Rosbell incident.

Wow, okay, and tell us more about that.

Well a bit of background on that.

Of course, it's probably the most well documented UFO.

Incident in history.

Ninety twenty seven.

Apparently a strange metallic disc crashed in the desert there.

The farmer finds it.

Air Force check it out where the alien bodies on.

There was that, perhaps a weather blue and that crashed over the years, Matt, as you can imagine with these mysteries, they can get convoluted, you know, Chinese whispers, all kinds of theories.

So we were there to get to the bottom of that.

And did you get to the bottom of answering any of those questions you just mentioned.

Well, we've got off the bad start because we arrived at the Roswell Festival.

I suppose a good time to go and do this, because you've got a lot of people in one place.

But we went to our first event we got kicked out of it.

Is there like a music festival or well there was.

Music there, funny enough as a carnival, there's a parade as.

A cultal event.

But we were there for the serious spinness of UFO rese and that was just the back job.

We went to our first seminar.

I supposed to talk to these UFO experts, and we got thrown out of that because of our experience at the Bigfoot conference, you know a number of weeks earlier, so.

The Roswell conference got wind of view of Bigfoot Conference.

Amazing.

It's amazing that the Bigfoot people contacted the Roswell people saying that we're on our way there and to not let us in because we're there to undermine the thing.

We were actually there as serious researchers, and I don't understand what's the correlation between Bigfoot and UFOs.

Just because you believe in the lot of you, smartster, it doesn't mean you have to believe in Bigfoot or UFOs.

But do you find there is a lot of cross over there.

With the type of people that believe in them, Yes, there is, But as far as facts or et cetera.

That doesn't have to be one could be real, one might not be.

You don't sort of sign up to believe in everything that is on the verge of being unbelievable.

That's more of a personality trait, I think, than and their logic.

And we were trying to bring logic to this this discussion with our documentary crew.

So we wanted to go to the desert to the exact place where the UFO apparently crashed and bring some technology there and to try and find some remains there was.

It was it the same technology as you had when you were in Scotland looking for long miss or at different times.

That was more border based technology obviously, you know, being in a loch.

But in the desert we were using our sort of pretty powerful metal detectors.

Add in the desert there they'll pick up anything.

You know that too much actually was betting stuff up in the car and that you know, you have to take every all your keys out.

Of your pocket, you'd have to hear move.

We had to move all the snacks that had foil around them with chip packets that they had to be moved away from the area we're looking at.

Even the guys that ended up taking their pants off, they had zips and stuff and there in their on their clothing because that'd get picked up and give me bad reading.

And we found some interesting stuff.

Yeah, like in one of the most interesting pieces we sent off to the labs, turned out that was a the steering column of a of a buick.

Have you seen one of those four buick?

A steering column.

To a buick potentially, I hadn't before that, so that was interesting.

And then we had this we we we found these amazing tiny bits of foil around.

The place where like a gel on them.

You know, I thought this could be it.

Could be out of this worldly of anything.

We sent that off that no, no, it wasn't you.

That turned out to be the the foil packets for a condom, and that was the the gel.

I think there's a gel that they used for.

Anti lubricant, you know, I might be lubricant, might be lub I think it was more like a spermicide type of thing or a lubricant.

Maybe there's two and one.

I don't know what the point is.

It wasn't anything that we were looking at.

So there's some disappointments with some of our results.

But it only got worse.

Kind of after that.

Right, how So one of the cameramen, luckily it wasn't the one that got been by a snake back, a different one here sinus issues and he would have anti histamine for those issues.

And I went to his bag and.

To find the anti histamine, and I gave it to him.

I thought I had turned out.

I gave him anti venom for snake bones, and that's quite different than anti histamine.

Don't know how much anti histamine you've ad or or even anti venom, and antie venom is actually made from venom.

So technically he was bitten by a snake that even been bitten by snake.

So you were indirectly in charge of basically two camera.

With snake related injuries.

So we had to take him to the hospital.

Lost another couple of days there, I'm back on the tools filming a lot of the stuff, A lot of the best shots actually is a lot of stuff I got, but.

I wouldn't go on by that.

So yeah, then we're there and we get into the fast eventually, and that's where we get probably our best stuff.

Yeah, and that's interviews with eyewitnesses, people that have been abducted, had you know.

Close encounters is the word encounters that happened with big Foot, not once.

A similar that, But I think these are very compelling.

I think you need to hear it from some of these eyewitnesses.

Roll that footage can me You'll fall in into my mom's yard in nineteen fifty four, and I was born listening a year later.

So you're saying you're actually born of alien.

All I know is that her husband had thought she cheated on him, and she never did, you know, And my mom was gold.

She never do nothing like that.

She's a good Christian woman.

With the aliens and roswell, the same as the ones that you saw, the big heads in the eyes.

Oh yeah, yeah, some of them are Yeah, no genitalia.

Actually they do have genitalia, but not.

I didn't see it on the males, but I know it on the females because I actually have intercourse with those females several times.

All right, you had intercourse with the female.

Yeah, several times, Yes, several times.

Yes, before they let me go in the one night.

No, they kept me but a week.

And that whole time you were having sex with aliens.

Yeah, well not all the time having sex with them, but no I didn't, I don't know.

I didn't have anything we'll do with them.

But well, that is pretty powerful stuff, so that that sexual encounter was more consensual than the bigfoot one UK.

Yeah, well it seemed to me.

I'm not sure how it works on a mother ship, but he certainly believes that.

So we are they dealing with someone there?

Who's had a very legit close.

Encounter with the being from another solar system, or someone with serious mental health issues, and either way.

It makes good TV.

Yeah, I think he goes on, doesn't he?

Since I had their devices in my head, I used their devices to control their ship with and stuff.

They didn't know how I did that because I have more advanced technology in me.

So instead of doing the mean things to me, they became my friend.

They offered me to technologist.

I don't want this man kinds you're not ready for.

He'll destroy the world.

That was an incredible interview there, and unfortunately for us as well.

Another one of the more compelling interviews on the show was from one of our crew members, aj the producer.

He recalls been abducted by aliens himself years ago, so I think we've got some footage of that.

He was very reluctant on the show to even talk.

About this, but I sort of bumped up his wages and we got to talk about that on the show.

And this is pretty powerful stuff.

So I'll just give you a sample of that.

Not the whole thing was a bit too powerful.

He told me he was a medical professional from another galaxy and he wanted to just run some tests on me.

He took some your iron off me and then took fluid out of what seemed to be one of my ears, and then things started to get crazy.

I blanked out for a while.

They put a rect on mind probe up my pass and started downloading information about Earth from my brain.

What do you think they learned?

I don't know, but it was up there for a how of a long time.

They were using a very slow mode.

Well, there you go.

And obviously we have to reenact that with images and stuff.

I mean that.

Yeah, and obviously the image you see there, that's the recreation that we did in the house to sort of show what went on.

And yeah, I like to think that the you know, in real life, it wouldn't look that cheap, you know, for Ajo's sake, I don't think that would have used to bicycle pump like that to download information from his backside.

And yeah, and it makes a question once again, why would they want to do that?

What are they trying to get?

What are they trying to achieve?

There?

Exactly?

There's always history with this stuff too.

One of the other major interviews we did was with someone who's actually on the base back in the day when they brought the alien bodies in.

Apparently their bodies.

Well, this is what the claim is.

This was a fairly compelling, hard hitting interview, was slightly undermined by the fact that the sergeant at the time was now a fully fledged transvestite now, so it's very hard to take him as serious as when he was in his military uniform in many ways.

But this is the sort of stuff we were up against as a crew.

We didn't have an issue with that just before it was in this Occo.

Yeah, you know, yeah, no, that makes sense.

This stuff's never definitive.

That's what makes the mysteries.

That's what makes some great mysteries.

Man.

Yea, yeah, powerful.

We didn't meet miss New Mexico.

Did you make the cat for the for the show?

Sorry?

What so did you end up solving the mystery?

No, we didn't.

Well we moved on from there anyway.

We're mentally we moved on and we're already saying to have our gear on to the next mystery anyway.

All right, So were was that mystery?

Oh?

That will of course.

We'll go to Egypt, as you do.

Might stop me there just for a moment, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back to talk about the next mystery in Egypt.

Welcome back to pay to Talk and this is the Mysterious Planet Special, Part two, where we're talking to host and producer of the TV show Lee Hart.

Now we've just been in Roswell.

Now we're moving on to Egypt.

Whoa slow down, man, Not so fast.

Yes, we're after Egypt to look at the pyramids.

But on the way, what better place to stop at Stonehenge in England.

We stopped along the way there, but that wasn't with that its issues either.

The first thing, once you get there, look it's it's semi impressive, but once you get there you realize.

You know, why did they finish it?

It's so historic?

Yeah, I think you've got to grow up.

If it was so good, they would have finished it, wouldn't They wouldn't put that up there.

I think you're wrong.

Yeah.

So look, we did a brief study of Stonehenge, spent a bit of time there and then moved on.

Right.

So how long were you there?

For?

About four and a half minutes?

I think, as you think the van might have been running the whole time and were stretched at the airport.

And of course after Egypt, we had a lot of work to do that a lot of.

Work to do, so he didn't solve the stone.

Inche mystry.

I don't think it was one to solve.

I mean people brought the stones there, they put them on top of each other.

They didn't finish.

And so we went to Egypt and we had, you know, bigger fish to fry so to speak with the pyramids and the Sphinx, the Sphinx.

What did you say that the sphinx?

Ye, sphinx, Yeah, the spinx, not spinx, the sphinx, sphinx.

Yeah, what demands some people call it the spinx, right, some of the Sphinx and the pyramids?

Right?

And how did that go?

Not good?

And in what way?

What is it like sort of going to these places and seeing these these mysterious objects and things.

Yeah, it's a good.

Question because as a documentary filmmaker, a docco filmmaker, if you want to shorten that, it's tough for me because we get a permit to film in front of the Pyramids or.

The Sphinx, and it's for.

Like forty five minutes, and you know, so we're trying to get through a lot of script and a lot of data, a lot of information for the viewer.

So you got to remember, I'm facing the camera.

The pyramids are behind me.

This is my one time, a lifetime opportunity to talk about the pyramids and see the pyramids and feel them.

And I'm not even looking at it really, you know, I'm brand on camera.

He's looking at it, but even he's not seen it probably either because he's looking it through a viewfire and he's trying to look for the best, like stand face.

So you're not kind of really experienced anything.

But anyway, we had a lot of stuff to get through.

Who built them?

Why you establish that?

Well, it's pretty obvious, I think when you get there.

They built them because they wanted to, you know, who built them?

The Egyptians.

Then again, was it Aliens Stonemasons from another solar system on a bigger.

Contract, the same ones from Marshia Phiue the same ones.

This is a bigger contract.

And then it was done before Marsha Pihie.

I mean it's common sense comes into it again.

My father's a sort of us in construction and stuff.

And if you bring a common sense approach to the stuff which he tends to do, which I find quite refreshing, also quite annoying.

If you want to build something that high as the Pyramids, which is used to be the highest structure I think until the Eiffel Towers built, If you want to build.

It that high, you have to have a base that big.

If you told some kids, if you gave him a whole lot of blocks and said, build the highest thing you can me long before they worked out that they'd have that base bigger, smallest and going up like that.

It was only in recent times with steel and concrete that you go sort of straight up.

But point there is it proves they actually didn't have that much technology, and you suddenly see it as if it was just revealed overnight.

It wasn't the top thousands of years.

So you could argue that at this stage you've still not solved any mysteries, but your father's self one.

Well, yeah, I think we weren't going around the world trying to debunk mysteries.

But there was a slight.

Attitude to it, like state the obviously if you can you know what I mean.

We ended up in the desert and.

We were luckily enough to be invited into a very very privileged in fact to this dig that you know, no one being on.

This is a very fresh dig, and they were going in there, and we brought our camera crew were the only camera crew on hand at the time that could document what was going on there.

That was pretty cool stuff.

And what was going on there, Well, we got kept off that.

Actually in the end, well we got invited back on and me she has, I say, because we only crew in the area.

So they got us back in.

Well, we found a Initially there was.

A cave, and we thought what better place to use some of our technology, which again we had the sand Rover two thousand with a.

Kind of a camera on.

It took a lot of convincing to get the head of the dig to give us permission to do that.

I mean, initially it was it was quite good.

It's quite impressive.

Darta came through there.

But then we kind of lost control of the went rogue.

Jeresney has gone rogue and is not responding to basic commands.

Come back j But.

Then and once again the Mysterious Planet team and their technology have been ejected from the dig.

I think there was another occasion after that they pulled up a mummy.

That's the sort of the mummy the two.

Yes, cliche kind of thing.

And I've never seen anything like that before.

And I've done a lot of research.

I'm an expert and a lot of stuff.

But that's my ancient Egyptian was.

You know, I'm not bad, but it's been like my French I suppose, you know, I'm sort of I can.

Communicate in it.

You're bad but not good.

Yeah, it's not bad.

I can order a beer and that kind of stuff, you know, and I can't read hieroglyphics that well.

You know.

You know, so as you knows.

As a doco team, we're trying to bring what we.

Can and to this Egyptian dig and you know, our reputation is on the line here and New Zealand's reputation.

Yeah, I mean, they don't know what's gone on before.

So we thought would make it up to them by lending them some of our computer stuff that we had they.

Didn't some stats and data wow no more.

Sort of facial recognition technology.

Yeah, pretty pretty top hands stuff.

So we did this and there's a big slow render of course, but you know, we got the whole team there and pretty powerful moment for us.

You know, this was make your brain for us, could be related to some of the very people there on the dig.

Pretty powerful stuff, you know, and this is the peak of the doco too, you know.

So of course we're all there and the face becomes clear and clearer, and I don't know if it was me versus it was Ah, but we we start to notice this looks very familiar to this guy.

I've seen this guy before.

I'm not sure if the local Egyptians said I'd seen it was prob very much like Gary Boosey, you know, the actor, but yeah, yeah, yeah, as in fact, it looks exactly like him.

So I'm not sure if it was pulling data from somewhere else on the computer or or somehow how that managed to infiltrate you know, that software.

But they'd end up being called the Gary Busie.

Mummy, right, and again we're kicked off the gig and ridiculed in many ways.

Well they were as well, which made it worse than we could move on.

They couldn't.

They were stuck there and you know, everyone at the university and local people were you know, mocking them and stuff.

But gave us a chance to get back in the city to Cairo and do some research about you know, the pyramids and why they built them.

And one of the theories I was trying to get across that the shape of the pyramid, which is the obviously the trig or the pyramid or the upside down v shape was representing the v the veggie, the vagina, the vagin I.

Think gonna say sort of Illuminati, Yes, very much.

Like that, the vagu, the vagine, vagina.

So I got that across to one of the top Egyptologists in Egypt, and he didn't go down well onither.

So he's just gonna laugh at me.

But it was tough there as well, you know, Brandon camera, he got food poisoning again.

So because once again I'm doing a lot of shooting.

Was that your fault?

Like the snakes?

What sure about that?

Actually, we did have a big night in a karaoke bar.

I think were singing money for Nothing, you know I on mine You remember that, you know the n TV Yeah, yeah, yeah, And then we did have some seafood from the Nile.

So perhaps that's when when Bretty got done.

You know what I ended up.

I ended up having the film to say, sets and stuff again.

Yeah right, I don't think it betters where you are.

I don't think you should trust the seafood a karaoke bar probably.

Yeah, you're right, and you probably should never see food basket and the oysters from the Nile.

Yeah.

So we moved on from there and went off to finish off.

You know where else you finished a shout at that Bermuda Bermuda.

So just before we go to Bermuda, Egypt, do we solve any mysteries in Egypt?

No?

Okay, all right, We're just gonna take another quick break.

We'll come back with Bermuda Triangle.

Fantastic.

Welcome back to page to talk.

This is the Mysterious Planet Part two special where we've got host, producer and well co host of this podcast as well, Lee Hart.

Now we've covered off a number of the mysteries so far, but I think finally we're on to the Bermuda Triangle.

Yeah, that's right.

You know, we've we've been all over the world by the stage, and of course we're finishing off and in Florida, Miami to look at the Bermuda Triangle.

Of course, you know a bit of background to those just joining us and changes the mystery.

It's an area off the coast.

Of Florida, Miami where a lot of planes, ships, you name it, have gone missing.

There's a lot of theories, you know, as a you know, as.

A UFOs again, magnetism, sea spouts, you name it.

There's been all sorts of theories put forward, you know.

So we're really looking forward to this, but you've got a member of the time we got there to do this, we'd really done the budget on this show.

So I've got to be honest with you.

Before we even got to Miami, I knew we wouldn't really be doing a show there.

I already already decided that we were going to use the mystery itself as a way of not actually making an episode, you know what I mean.

So let's pretend to head out and we go missing in the tining ourselves, but which would mean we don't have to have to make an episode at all.

So you okay, I see what you're doing, Smoke and Mersey.

So you didn't actually make it out too.

We let to stretch it out for the length of an episode and the rest is whatever recap from the episodes I meant before, Right, So we're kind of milking footage twice podcast, well this is more so.

This is milking it the third time in a way.

So you've got to remember, this budget really has been blown.

We've had some issues with it.

So we with what's left.

We filmed the infamous boat scene going out, and then we decided to have, you know, a real proper wrap party in Miami.

I think we deserved it.

It's been pretty tough going and we had a pretty big night with what was left of the funds.

You know, the TV's credit card.

But if you've seen the movie The Hangover, I have, yes, Okay, I'll explain it backwards.

So what happened.

We woke up one morning all bit worse for wear, and we're trying to find the credit cards or any.

Cards or anything at all for the trip.

From the trip we'd lost at all and we literally had nothing.

So it was kind of panicking because we still need to get home, and we got we've got no credit cards.

There's like we've been mugged kind of thing, and just laying on the floor.

There is the one of the small little handicam cameras which we sometimes talk out at night just in case we see anything interesting.

To film.

So I don't know whose idea it was.

They said, look, why don't we have a look on the camera and see if there's any clues as to what happened.

We said, that's you know the hangover movies, just like this.

So we're all on the bed, crouch around, looking at the looking at the camera, you know, scrolling back on the little viewfinder.

You've seen us all going.

Out and a few nightclubs partying, and then we get to a scene.

The very last piece of footage filmed is three of the guys sort of frolicking around in this fountain in the in the middle of town, diving and swimming and everything in the fountain.

So we go down a reception and we say to the show them the footage, do you know where this is this location?

And picture goes, oh, no, so that it's a fountain down two blocks down there to the left, and we said, okay, great, So we're running down there, and sure enough, we get to this fountain and in this fountains floating on the receipt credit cards, anything we had, credit cards, pull this paperwork or that, just floating in the things that we're in there, grabbing it all and that's how we found the cards and stuff.

There no way we would have found that, you know.

And then you had to hand those receipts back to the TV's.

In Yeah, we receipts.

So it worked out.

There was a real sort of example of you know, life imitating ard and that getting in the you know, the mood of trial going missing.

We kind of did go missing many ways in the last episode, you know.

Yeah, but yeah, a great way to finish an epic epic series.

Yeah, and then this was a very good sort of deep dive into that that series.

Would you ever consider doing a season two?

Well, you couldn't make a show that?

Now, why couldn't you make another show like that?

They would say it couldn't be done?

Who would say you couldn't be done?

An you mean, well you said that?

Whose day?

Or the people that would the people that would say you couldn't do it, they would say, well, you could do it.

You probably could do a show.

I mean we could do it.

Yeah, we could do it.

Yeah, Well probably would do another one.

Yeah, we'll do another show like that.

Yeah, what would you do it on?

Sort of what miss is?

These sounds like EM three eighty or any mean well, because you know you've covered off mushroom, Pi Shue, you've done Roswell the Pyramids with the.

You will do those again.

We just do the same ones again.

We didn't solve them the first time, so we'll just do them again, go back to the same places, but just do it better.

Right cool.

Well, Lee, thanks for thanks for joining us on on Page Talk.

On Can I just say that before you sign off, it's been really cathartic for me doing this and letting a lot of this out.

It's been bottled up inside of me.

You know, a lot of the crew that got hurt and stuff been able to talk about that.

Yeah, the fortunate nature of some of it, you know, it's just been great to get on my chest and and and and talk to people about it.

But yeah, thank you.

That's great to hear.

And I'm glad you could join us on page Talk and thank you for the Unfiltered June.

I guess thanks for coming over.

Yeah, well, thanks for thanks for having me.

Yeah, and I guess I'll just see you next week since we both co host this podcast.