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It's Tuesday night.

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On Lance McAllister Rocky Boyman Auto assignment tonight.

He just wrapped up in Boca calling a bowl game in his place.

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I got this all memorized thirty years with the Dayton Daily News, the last twelve nineteen let's starting in nineteen seventy nine, last twelve from ninety seven to two thousand and nine, covering the Bengals.

If there's been a sporting event take place to be covered, he has covered it in his illustrious career last fifteen years as part of the iHeart Cincinnati media family in various roles.

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And he went to school with Archie Griffin.

Yes, that would be none other than Chick Ludwick stud How.

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It is awesome to be here.

This place is absolutely incredible.

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A lot of adult beverage being punished tonight, but it's great to be with you, awesome.

To be filling in for a rocky point and.

Tonight, did I cover mostly acolently your your resume?

Yes, yes you did.

Gosh if it's if it was Ai man yeat have a great letter, a great resume.

Yes, yes, all right, let's say let's do this.

Let's get to the headlines.

Hockey like we usually do, and then we will navigate our way through this Bengals season between now and seven thirty Austin Elmore.

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Let's get the headlines so we can go.

We start with the Bengals.

Jamar Chase voted to the AFC Pro Bowl Games today.

He ranks second in the NFL with one hundred and ten catches over twelve hundred yards receiving.

He joins AJ Green is the only players in Bengals history to be selected to Pro Bowls in each of their first five years in the league.

He is the sixth player in team history with at least five Pro Bowl selections in his Bengals career.

Anthony Munoz eleven, Geno Atkins eight, AJ Green seven, Chad Johnson six, Lamar Parrish sixth.

Bengals return to the practice field tomorrow ramp up preparation for a Sunday's matchup versus the Cardinals at pay Corps.

A league high six Ravens, Broncos forty nine ers and Seahawks were also selected to the Pro Bowl Games today.

Reigning NFL MVP Josh Allen, Drake May and Justin Herbert.

Your AFC Pro Bowl Games quarterbacks Travis Kelcey selected to his eleventh Pro Bowl.

Nineteen players chosen for the first time.

By the way, the AFC South Jaguars eleven and four had only one player, their long snapper Ross Mattison named the Pro Bowl Games today.

Meanwhile, Brown's head coach Kevin Stefanski told reporters quarterback DeShawn Watson will not will not be activated this season.

They had opened up that twenty one day practice window.

College Bowl action, Rocky just finished it for as in Boca the Boca Raton Bowl, Louisville over Toledo twenty seven to twenty two.

Western Kentucky now trailing Miss Southern Missis, just put a touchdown on the board and leads seven to three first quarter of the New Orleans Bowl.

Tonight at nine, the Ohio Bobcats take on UNLV in the Scooter's Coffee Frisco Bowl.

College basketball this afternoon.

Kentucky over Bellerman ninety nine eighty five.

Cam Williams eight three pointers on his way to a twenty six point day for the Cats Ohio State over Grambling eighty nine sixty three.

John Mobley Junior scored twenty.

Baseball Pirates add another bat.

They signed free agent first baseman Ryan O'Hearn two years, twenty nine million.

O'Hearn was an All Star last year hit seventeen home runs last year.

Last week, the Pirates added an all star, the Rays all star second baseman in a three way trade, Brandon Low.

He hit thirty one home runs a year ago, and John Hayman of the New York Post reports the Mets have discussed former Reds outfitter Austin Hayes as a free agent possibility.

All right, those are your headlines.

I think we're caught up.

Let's get into the Bengals, what we saw, what we make out of it, and what was to be learned, what was learned on Sunday, and what it means going forward.

Then later on seven o'clock hour, and I can't wait to do this.

We're gonna do a little word association, Chick.

I went through and I went through your years ninety seven to two thousand and nine, covering the Bengals, and I picked out some names, and I'm gonna throw you a Bengals name, maybe a coach or a player, and you're gonna give me a reaction, perhaps a story.

Does that sound like something we could do in.

A seven o'clock sounds fantastic glance.

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From this standpoint, I heard a lot of people say, including Joe Burrow, Sunday was what it should look like, what everybody expected to look like.

It was awfully nice to see.

As much as Joe struggled last week second lowest quarterback rating performance of his career, he turns in the second best of his career against the Dolphins and looked like Joe Burrow Lance.

What Sunday reminded me of is a reminder of what might have been, what could have been, and what hopefully will be in twenty twenty six.

Joe Burrow needed that game after really the terrible performance from the week before.

These guys are alpha dogs.

People are saying he shouldn't play the last few games of the season.

No, he's healthy, he wants to play and to come back.

I mean it was personal for all the Bengals.

You don't want to get shut out, so they come back strong and lay it on the Miami Dolphins, and it was just a fantastic performance and it reminded us of with Joe and Tea and Jamar on the field together.

Uh, just an awesome, an awesome trio.

We were talking before the show.

There was one play in particular that Joe pulled off that was just vintage Joe Burrow and one of those signs that he's moving well, seeing the field well and doing what Joe Burrow does really really well.

And as awesome as the passes were, two t Higgins, the thirty five yard are down the left sideline, the nine yard touchdown pass, which was unbelievable.

It was the twenty eight yard or twenty seven whatever yep to Drew Sample.

Uh, Joe is flushed out of the pocket, He's rolling to his right, look like, who's gonna throw it away?

Yeah, he was getting ready to throw the ball away, and then he sees Drew Sample throws across his body between the hash marks and then he rumbles twenty eight yards to the or twenty seven yards to the eleven.

And that drive was finished off by samaj p Ryan, giving the Bengals the lead for good.

They would not look back from there.

We also saw the defense create turnovers, and not just create turnovers, but every time there was a turnover, the offense turned it into points.

Even when they got the fourth down stop, the offense turned it into points.

It was David.

One of Dave Lapham's favorite lines is complimentary football, and that Sunday was sixty minutes of as complimentary football as we've seen from this team this season.

Six trips inside the Miami University red zone, six touchdowns, the man just the flood of turnovers to score three touchdowns in one quarter, and oh by the same guy, Chase Brown, so man t Jamar and Joe, and then the emergence of a Chase Brown phenomenal to see.

You know it is.

And at the same time, it's frustrating, just in a two week span, because I look at the Baltimore game and they're at home and they're playing for their playoff lives, and they don't just get shut out.

They looked at times disinterested, and one week later they play for perhaps their finest game, most complimentary game of the season.

And it's that scale of balancing that out and I just I don't get it.

How do you get to the opponent's thirty five yard line five times and not score a point.

That's what was so frustrating.

Yeah, you're blown out your shutout, but yet it wasn't that bad basically, But yeah, they moved the ball between the twenties and couldn't score, you know.

Right, even while we're on the complimentary subject, even the special teams, I mean, Emma McPherson had to boot six point afters which is good, and only one field goal.

But Brian Rico punted four times inside the twenty two of those inside the ten they returned punts well, they returned to kick Tis Brooks forty one yards.

The Special teams joined the party.

On Sunday, they really did, and Rico eleven punts into the end zone.

Not good, but.

Man, his ability to get it inside the twenty yard line was fantastic.

He's really come on, h wow, Charlie Jones, you know, a Pro Bowl alternate.

He's been fantastic this year.

And then you're you're exactly right.

And to see DJ Turner, gosh, Jalen Davis's interception where he basically blocked, you know, boxed the guy out at the at the sideline to catch the ball.

So fig Newton getting his hands on the ball that Barrett Carter intercepted.

Uh, just all fantastic to see.

I thought the Beckels made a mistake getting rid of Logan Wilson and going with a full blown young.

Defense earlier this season.

It kind of backfired, but hopefully it'll pay dividends in the future.

I'm glad you brought that up.

And I was talking about this morning.

We were taping our year end special Cincinnati Sports and Review that'll run Christmas morning, and I was with Moe and Tony and Austin, and I brought up the exact point you made.

It never made any sense.

It never matched up that this was a season they thought, they hoped they could win the Super Bowl.

They got desperate enough to go and trade for Joe Flacco to save the season, and yet they were playing two rookie linebackers, which doesn't say super Bowl thoughts.

When you play two rookie linebackers, you are accepting growing pains and mistakes being made.

And this team didn't have the margin of error to play two rookie linebackers if it thought it was going to be a playoff team.

It never made any sense to go all in on rookies at the linebacker position, at least to me.

Totally agree.

And the Bengals are three and four coming out of that awesome win against Pittsburgh, and you've got the Jets and Chicago Bears coming up, and you lose two heartbreakers, scoring thirty eight points in losing, scoring forty two in losing.

Those were those were daggers to the kidney, yep for this club.

Point.

I remember when they traded for Joe Flacco and you start calculating in your head when Joe might come back.

Man, could Joe get back for the final three games?

Could it be back for the final four if they can just go four and four with Flacco or even three and five with And this team went went one in eight when Joe went down, and it just left them with And that had to be part of the frustration of Joe, who was busting his tail so hard to get back and then gets back and then it doesn't happen, and wanted just an emotional letdown.

And he had a poor game against Buffalo as well, which piled on and it just made it a really difficult thing to digest.

It really was.

And gosh, the national media coming down on the Bengals, and you know the support of Joe Burrow.

Is he Bengalized and all this, Well, we know that when he is playing football he's happy.

When he's in the training room rehabbing, he's not happy.

And Lance, when you've had all the success that Joe has had in his career, National championship, Heisman Trophy, number one overall draft pick, to go three years without the playoffs at Scott to kill him.

And that's that's part of the burden that he's carrying.

You know.

And along the lines of the rehab.

And I've learned this the more I've talked to athletes over the years, and remember talking about this with Joey Vado, and guys will say once they retire what they miss, really do?

They say they missed the game.

Most of the time they will say they miss the guys, being around the guys.

And you are so detached at times when you're rehabbing because it's on your own and you're isolated.

And Rock has told the story when when he was rehabbing, at times, you make it a point to say hi to people in the hallway, to coaches so they don't forget you because you think you're so removed from the equation that that people forget about you.

That's a lonely spot to be.

What you're rehabbing is an athlete.

And we're finding that out with Philip Rivers in Indianapolis.

He's loving life, coming back head and taking a snap since twenty twenty.

Incredible, Yes, that they're struggling.

Can you imagine being a Colts fan, like we talked about off the year two at one point eight and two and then a melt down with the injury to a Daniel Jones, and now they're going to be looking, you know, the outside looking at.

Yeah, made the big trade for Sauce Gardner and then he got hurt and they lose last night and from eight to two to not making the playoffs.

All right, we've reached the bottom of the hour when we continue the other thing that came out of the game and there you know this chick.

There's a lot of fans who would prefer they lose out to get a better draft pick.

There's a lot of fans who would prefer they don't risk the health of Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and others.

There are those who say it was just the Miami Dolphins.

So I asked a question this week, how many people actually enjoyed the victory?

You know, if I could quote HERM Edwards, you play to win the game.

Let's talk about that angle of things as we continue.

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Chick longtime Bengals beat writer from ninety seven to two thousand and nine for the Dayton Daily News.

He has some stories to tell.

We'll do a little word association coming up in the seven o'clock hour that will include Marvin Lewis.

It will include Steve Tovar among Al Roberts, among many names to get to at the seven o'clock hour.

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We'll go with Chase Brown.

Nice day, two touchdown catches, one touchdown rushing.

Also nice protection, picked up a runner that was in Joe's face, headed towards Joe's face and bought Joe a split second for a touchdown pass.

Nice all around day for Chase Brown, who's gone over twelve hundred yards in scrimmage yards this season for the Bengals.

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Chase Brown on Sunday became the Bengals all time leading receiver.

In catches by a running back in a season, James Brooks had fifty five, Giovanni Bernard had fifty six, Joe Mixon had sixty.

Chase Brown now at sixty two catches, He's had a heck of a year.

Incredible, and Joe Burrow talked about that like his first year, I don't think he caught a ball, and now he's just worked and worked at it.

And we see the dividends here and he was untouched in the right under the end zone.

So you can't forget about where that guy's at at all times.

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We'll go with the Bengals first touchdown drive.

It was their longest.

There was a short field much of the day after that.

Seven plays ninety one yards.

It was Joe to t for the touchdown.

That is our driveway Dumpster's drive of the last week's game for your Cincinnati Bengals.

All right, chicks, So the Bengals won, but a lot of people there were there was hand ringing, there was it's just the Dolphins.

It's all a figures.

Now they hurt their draft status, or this will lead to this, or it will lead to that.

I just know this.

I think the idea of tanking is misunderstood by a lot of people.

You're never not going to try to win a game, and unless you're really, unless it's a quarterback, I think tanking is a is a futile effort to begin with if there's one premium quarterback in a draft.

But beside all that, I bought a line it to this, and I refer to what Herm Edwards once said, you play to win the game.

This team needs to re establish a culture of winning.

And I don't care if they beat a one win team or a twelve win team.

They won on Sunday and that's got to mean something.

And Lance, they have to use these final three games, starting with Miami, to find out who can play, who's going.

To be here next year.

Sam Weis told me in a press box in Carolina, find out who's helping you win and keep them.

Find out who's helping you lose and get rid of them.

Every player is not only playing for the Bengals, they're playing for thirty one other clubs.

How many times do we have to say that?

So everything is being scrutinized, and if you take that field, you better be at your best.

So find out who is going to be a part of this team next year that they can count on, that they can rely on, and trust is huge in the NFL.

And in terms of the draft for those hung up on the draft or to the Bengals held the ninth pick in the draft going into the game and as of today they still hold the ninth pick in the draft in the upcoming season.

I know there's still two games left.

I know there is a segment of the fan base that says, sure, the pressure's off, they're out of the playoffs.

Of course they played better and lance the will win this week and they'll win next week.

And we know Chick having done this as long as we have, and I understand this area of concern.

I think some fear if they win their last three, the front office, Duke and the front office ownership will say, well, maybe we're not as bad as we thought, Maybe we could get away with This player will be healthy, that player will get better and will be okay.

That is a reasonable fear and a cost for hesitation.

You know, you're absolutely right, Lance, And you know what does this team need.

It needs to bring in two or three impact free agents to help the young guys that are coming along.

Okay, and then we had players in the draft on defense, and you can never have enough offensive lineman, so O, line, dbs, all three facets of the defense have to be added to.

So yeah, maybe we're not that far away.

Oh, you know the offense, you know, two young guards, you've got two tackles, you've got the center, you've got the skill position players.

You know how much do they need?

You know, on offense?

But defense needs help.

Yeah, And what is what remains frustrating from last season.

It's very clear after last season ended, they thought we had some bad luck.

We had a missed field goal that won't happen again.

We had a snap problem, we had an injury problem.

Will be healthy, we'll have better luck.

And really all they did they went out and they signed TJ.

Slayton and that was about it.

And it came back to bite him.

And I'm going to keep pounding this home.

They are in a very precarious and precious spot, the Joe Burrow window.

And when you miss the playoffs.

I don't care what the reason is.

When you missed the playoffs with Joe Burrow for three consecutive seasons, that.

Can't happen a fourth season.

It just can't.

It can't.

It's a crime.

And if they would start slow next year, can I use my favorite word, Ar mcgavig, it is it will be Oh, it will be Bengalized to the max.

And think about it.

Having said all we said, we were talking about this off air this season, this playoff season for the NFL will not include Joe Burrow.

It's not going to include Patrick Mahomes, and it's not going to include Lamar Jackson.

I mean, what are the odds that that happens in any season?

And we're staring at it right now.

That's what makes it such a weird, weird year.

And you know, I think the NFC really is awfully strong.

The three teams out West that are already in oh and some new blood gush Trevor Lawrence and gosh, Caleb Williams the Bengals.

When Caleb Williams beat the Bengals, they launched his career.

That started a five game winning streak.

They've won seven of eight and he's a monster.

Right now, I will say something tangible and people wonder what's real and what's not in late in the season, when you're out of the playoffs.

I do like the fact that defensively they were flying around the football.

The more bodies you get to the ball, the more good things happened.

There was a tandem that popped the ball loose on the fumble and fell on it.

There was a tandem that popped the ball up in the air on the pass and intercepted it.

Multiple guys to the ball is a good thing, and that's something I think is real.

That is a sign that the Al Golden Way is making some progress, not finished product, not Chicago eighty five Bears defense, but making some progress.

And it's just that one play, the forty eight yard run.

And then Dan Horde said it during the broadcast, the misdirection has killed this team this year.

So take out the one play, the eighth Chan run of forty eight yards.

The rest of the day, the Bengals allowed twenty six rushes for only eighty yards.

That is a great number.

But there's still that this defense will do something good.

Maybe they do something else good and then they'll be that forty eight yard run, which is just maddening right now watching them on defense, and.

You just go to sleep at night and you see Josh Allen a place that was vacated.

He sprints left for forty yards that was coming off a Bengals touchdown.

And you want them to grind out three to four minutes, and it happened in a minute and change.

Yeah, and that's what drives you crazy about this defense.

Still ahead, speaking of the defense, let's talk about the rise, the sudden surge of one Miles Murphy.

And let's give some love to t Higgins who went through a lot with the concussion, got on a plane last week, got cleared, had a lot going on, played and came up big.

We'll do that as we continue.

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Let's run through a couple of notes from the weekend.

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Joseph Osi miss Sunday with an ankle.

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DJ Turner was dealing with an illness.

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We'll go with We'll go with the trio.

Barrett Carter had an interception.

Jalen Davis had an interception.

And Jordan Battle forced to fumble and Miles Murphy recovered that fumble.

So we'll include all for a defensive play of the game and a segue to Miles Murphy who checked there were there's been frustration in the first couple of years with Miles Murphy hasn't done a whole lot.

This season, there were moments where he would flash and show a little something.

Now it seems like the lights staying on and week to week Miles Murphy is making his presence felt, and they need his presence to be felt.

Weak to week with his defense.

No doubt about that, and you can tell that his his confidence is growing.

Yep.

Really the more he plays, Hey, you're thinking too much as a rookie first two years and to finally get him out there, maybe at times forced to be in the life, but you could just.

See his development.

The guy is very active, he's becoming productive and it's only taken his third year, so he's definitely back next year.

We'll see if there's a club option for this former first round draft pick in twenty seven or whether he becomes a UFA in twenty eight.

But he's really come on great to see they need him and man.

Hopefully the future is bright for Miles Murphy.

Yeah, we're talking about a guy and you mentioned his confidence.

I think it's really clear watching him he's feeling it.

You can see his confidence and just how he reacts on the field when he makes a play, and he seems to be building on that, and they do need him.

Joseph O Siza free agent at the end of the year.

Trey Hendrickson.

I don't think anybody believes is going to be back next season.

Shamar Stewart.

They still need more from But you know, we were talking about it during the break.

Lou Anarumo.

For all the things lou did well here, he had a way of doing him and that leaned towards veterans didn't in a lot of cases have time or patience for developing guys.

Maybe he was frustrated at times with the guys he was handed to develop, but he leaned heavily on his veterans and sometimes at the expensive young guys getting reps and opportunities.

And I'll say it forever that the Pittsburgh game last year where Russell Wilson went off on those dump passes right over the middle, he went for four or five hundred yards.

I forget, I don't know how many touchdowns.

And I said that is Lou's gone after this year, unfortunately, but that's just the way it is.

So I agree with you Lance and new Blood, and hopefully these young guys just continue to improve.

Gosh, Jordan battled the hustle place that he's made knocking the ball, you know, the goal line away from a player, and gosh, fig Newton getting his hands on the ball that Barrett Carter intercepted.

So and I'll give you another guy defensively who's just kind of hung around, hung around in this league and is now getting a chance at an age twenty nine, had his first interception.

Jalen Davis, who was.

A Dolphin for a while, originally undrafted, then he was with Arizona for a while.

This is going back to twenty eighteen.

He came into the league and he has lived and survived on practice squads a lot of the time.

With the Bengals, he's been with the Bengals for five seasons now, but he has started for the first time three games this year.

Came up with the interception, and he's almost that guy that makes you wonder, well, why didn't they give him more of a look than maybe Cam Taylor Britt or somebody earlier in the season.

Back in camp, It's like he's this year's Trey Flowers.

The guys really come on and yeah, where has he been?

Why didn't they have confidence in him earlier?

He's blown up plays yep, running plays, very active, very productive here.

So man, I hope he can stick around.

No doubt.

Let's talk to Higgins as well.

He deserves some props for it's been a difficult sequence of the last couple of weeks with the two can cut us and the questions surrounding why he went was allowed back into the game and then he got hurt and the team.

He said that the team told him and recommended he'd go to Pittsburgh to get a meeting with a specialist.

And he flew on Thursday to Pittsburgh, and he talked about how uneasy he was getting on that flight, wondering, you know what they would tell him if they told him that there was something really messed up and he was going to have to miss the season and check.

I don't think anybody, anybody who was being fair about it.

If t had not played Sunday and they said, as a team, we are shutting Tea down.

I don't think anybody could have rightfully had a beef with that based.

On what we've seen him go through with the concussions.

And no, I was spled.

Yeah, I was surprised to see him out there, but it's a testament to the guy and to get out there and give it your all and then be oh man being the star that he is thirty five yards down the left sideline to really ignite that first touchdown and then the touchdown catch, Oh my gosh, had to go back to the Minnesota game.

It caught it from Jake Browning and swiveled his arm around the pylon.

Oh.

He is such a mismatch.

It looks like a man among boys, like playing backyard football at times.

The catch he made over top of the smaller defensive back, like, I'll take that from you.

And that's just he's got, said strength and power and long arms and catcher radius.

He's everything you'd want to a wide receiver.

And he was at the top of the second round.

Teams were going, oh, what a great pick he really was.

But tall, long, you said, radius, and strong hands yep and he's double catch, you know, double cut balls, you know over the middle before but oh, and then just the contrasting styles, the complimentary styles with him Jamar Chase, Oh, Jamar, he gets the ball and he's a bull in a china shop and t oh, my two number ones it is.

It's a beautiful thing.

CBS had a stat of on TV Sunday that I wrote down and I've now added to it since the win.

When the Bengals have had Joe, Jamar and t All play in the same game, when the threesome, the three Musketeers are together, the Bengals are thirty two and seventeen.

That equates to about an eleven wins season.

Think about that, when they have all three of them playing in the same game, they win at a rate of about an eleven and six record.

When one of them is missing, When at least one of them is missing, the Bengals are thirteen and twenty.

That equates to about a six and a half win team.

You talk about a difference, and you talk about the importance of having those three available and on the field every week.

And to think g.

Had the hamstring to start last season and they lose that opening game to the New England Patriots, and he's outside of the concussions.

He has kept himself extremely healthy all year.

It's been a phenomenal to see and now just a matter of and it's I think obvious to anybody that they you have to feel pretty good about them offensively what they have, even the offensive line a little bit of concern with Orlando Brown Junior, but you have to feel good about the offense.

Spend this offseason fixing, upgrading, adding to the defense.

No doubt, no doubt.

I think in all three facets, Yes, upfront and on the back end, you know, can they upgrade from you?

And you're gonna I think that's a great point because I'll go to the middle.

They're gonna have to do something linebacker wise.

You can't just shut your eyes and cross your fingers and say, Dimitris Knight Junior and Barrick Caruter are going to be better.

You're gonna have to hedge your bets some way, whether it's a veteran, and I think it has to be a veteran.

You're gonna have to bring in a veteran who at least is more of a guiding force for those guys who can give them snaps.

You just can't say those two rookies will be better next season and roll the ice and take that chance for another.

The leadership of a couple of veterans to come and show the young guys the way.

We'll be huge, all right.

We put one hour in the books man.

That was like lightning fast.

That was a lightning round of the Roundtable Show.

When we come back, we're gonna play a little word association.

He was on the Bengals beat from nineteen ninety seven through two thousand and nine.

He has stories to share.

I will pull some of those stories from Chick as we continue.

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An Away we go second hour unfolding Tonight, second of three.

We're back to a normal three hour show Tonight.

First half filled with the Chick Ludwig who's in for Rocky who's on assignment Tonight.

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Appreciate everybody coming out and hanging out with us.

It has been nuts tonight at Long Necks and Wilder.

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And happy New Year and Merry Christmas to her as well.

All Right, let's take advantage of the wealth of information and the storytelling capabilities of Chick Ludwig, who wrote for the Dayton Ayleen News for thirty years.

Is final twelve on the beat for the Bengals nineteen ninety seven to two thousand and nine, ozerho where there's some moments and personalities and individuals who came through the organization in those years.

And I want to give you some names and you just give me a reaction, maybe give me a story.

And first let's set this up by and I'm so glad you wrote this today.

You wrote a piece for I believe it's Press Pros magazine today.

Is that correct?

Tell me about that first?

Yes, gosh, it was a week ago where the publisher, Sonny Falkes calls me and says, hey, kind of an anniversary shoo.

I was one of the first four riders for the back in twenty ten when the website started, Hal McCoy's there, and you know, it builds itself as the best sports stories by Ohio's best sports writers.

And so I was on the ground floor of that, and and so he wanted kind of a you know, an anniversary story.

The only thing I can think of was it was my beat, you know, the Bengals.

So uh yeah, So.

I told some stories and gosh, I basically led off with with Marvin Lewis.

Now take us to that because Marvin was you, it would be safe to say you and Marvin occasionally butted heads.

Yes, yes, And it was.

It was draft week of two thousand and five, the year that Maurice Clarett came out, and I and I wrote a piece on you know, the draft Week, and I supplemented with a little sidebar about three paragraphs that said, basically, the Bengals are not going to draft h Maurice Clarett.

So the next morning, I'm awakened by an early phone calling.

I picked up the phone off the cradle on the landline.

I said, uh, this cannot be good.

And like I said, it wasn't pretty, but it sure was loud.

What the hell are you doing writing that story.

Uh well, first Jamie, his secretary, said, Chick, I'm passing you through to Marvin.

And then he screams in my ear and he says, tomorrow after the news conference my office.

So uh yeah, after the news conference.

So I go up to his office.

And and you know, he unloads on me.

And I basically told him.

I said, Marvin, I am the liaison between the team and the and the patroons, the fans.

I'm the voice of the fan.

And I just said a fact that he had to accept and we shook hands.

I escaped unscathed.

But the writers in Washington because he was with the Washington Redskins after the Baltimore Ravens uh super Bowl, they told me he said, hey, you've got to call him out when you think he's wrong.

And stand up to him.

That's what I tried to do.

Yeah.

And then there was the David Pollock press conference where I basically said, I waited, you know, after all the hosannas for David Pollock and I and there was a pause and I said, David, what were you doing when your teammates were sweating their asses off at Georgetown College and he was holding out and he was holding out and Marvin was sitting next to him, and I just said, if looks good, kill, I'd be dead.

Marvin staring glare burned a hole in me.

So yeah, we had some.

Yeah, all right, take me back to take me back to ninety seven.

This is Boomer quarterback in the game against the Eagles.

They lose forty four forty two.

Take me through a sequence that leads to Steve Tovar taking exception.

It was the greatest lesson I've learned as a sports writer, first of all.

Okay, but yeah, Boomer led the Bengals to a four and one finish those last five games in ninety seven.

In the second game, they go into Philly and lose forty four to forty two.

Brian Milne had scored a touchdown given the Bengals the lead by a Bobby Hoying Ohio State and Saint Henry High School throws a pass to Irving Fryar blows down the field, and Chris Boniol hits a thirty one yard field goal at the gun.

Okay, so I'm in the locker room.

Boomer comes in, throws his helmet at the defense and says, you guys, don't deserve your paychecks.

Okay, So the next day, you know, and Steve Tovart was a great friend.

I talked to him like every day.

And instead of me saying Steve, Boomer said you don't deserve your paychecks?

I just came out and said, Steve, do you guys deserve your paychecks?

And he came at me with both hands toward my neck, and thank goodness, there was a flock of writers around that got between us.

He wanted to kill me, and I tried to apologize.

Didn't work, called his agent.

It just didn't work.

Steve never talked to me again.

And I closed my story by saying the Forest Gump line.

That's good, one last thing less guy to interview.

So uh but yeah, yeah, the greatest lesson I learned.

Hey, blame it, you know, say that Boomer said it, yep, instead of me saying it.

So all right, tell me about uh, tell me about.

Players bumming quarters off of beat writers for cokes.

It was basically Carl Pickens would come in and yeah, it was awesome to have a soda machine, you know, the mountain dew for a quarter man.

That was awesome.

But yeah, there's Carl Pickens.

Making one hundred grand a week, you know, and.

Parking in the handicapped parking spot, you know, and and bumming quarters off writers Man and Carl was crazy.

A guy would get released during the season.

He would go up to their locker and he would sniff their clothes and and and like meditate and uh.

It was.

It was a strange scene.

Yes, sounds like yeah, yeah.

All right, let me give you a name and give me a reaction when I say j Blake, what comes to mind?

Wow?

Uh, number one the greatest uh deep ball thrower in the National Football League.

Man, just google him up on YouTube.

Unreal.

Yeah, Jeff Wold, I could tell some things, uh for radio.

Yeah, but we'll.

Just stop at the deep ball.

That's because you know, yes and uh and we have stayed in touch.

He became the quarterback coach at the i MG Academy, uh down in down in Orlando.

So we've got we've got a close relationship.

And what was the one yeah story, Yes, we had to instead of just going up to the players at Georgetown, we had to ask for them in advance.

So Jack Brennan, the PR director, you had to put in a request.

So I talked to Jeff Blake all the time, so I put in a request to talk to him, and the next day Brennan goes, chick, Jeff wants to know who is this Chuck Lidwig from Dayton And then so we just laughed about it and I grabbed him.

Oh yeah, can I talk to you, Jeff?

Sure?

Yeah, who is this Chuck Lidwig?

What was it like covering?

And tell me about the end of the run of Bruce Coslin as Bengals head coach.

Well, the one thing I remember about Bruce the Bengals lose to Jacksonville and Mark Brunel.

He pops the top on his diet coke can, takes the sip to start the news conference, you know, gives a deep breath and his first words are we suck.

His special ts practice lasted as long as he could burn a cigarette in the corner of the end zone at spinning Field.

But he was a offensive genius.

And the sad thing is at the end of.

Ninety seven he wanted Boomer.

Back for a couple of years, and and they did offer him a two year deal.

That's what Monday Night Football job.

Yes, and and Mike Brown encouraged him to take it.

And I really do think, you know, with his son's issues, health issues, that he was mentally, physically and emotionally, uh spent.

But I'm looking at Philip Rivers boomeris aasin could have come back two or three years later and been awesome.

What comes to mind, if anything, when I say the Achille Smith era of Bengals football, does anything come to mind?

He came in for a pre draft interview.

Uh, Tim Couch did, Donovan McNabb did, and Achille did.

And the day he came in was the tornado.

That ripped up I think it was.

Was it Al Roberts House?

Yeah, okay, so the tornado that day?

And h he once they put him on the chalkboard.

He looked great in seven on seven, eleven on eleven drills, but when they put him on the chalkboard.

Bruce Koslic discovered he was lost.

Yeah, he was lost.

I hate to say it, but on his questionnaire who to call in case of an emergency?

Nine to one one?

Okay, But I knew he was trouble when he showed up at Georgetown College with all of his uh, with all of.

His stereo equipment.

Uh, there's no time at training camp to uh, to really delve into all the music that you want to.

But yeah, all of his hystereophonic equipment.

I knew that might be trouble.

I'll never forget Bob Trumpey.

At one point on a Friday when we did the pep Rally show together.

This was after an Achille game.

They had lost and Achille had performed miserably, and Bob said something about it.

I said, well, does he not understand the offense?

And he said, understand the offense?

He says he ran twenty plays Sunday and screwed up thirteen of them.

Man, that was just classic Bob Trump.

Yeah.

His first start, they beat Cleveland and Cleveland yep.

And then the next week it was Pittsburgh, so it wasn't from boy and then gosh after Dick Lebogue took over a month after Bruce resigned.

Following that, thirty seven and nothing lost in Baltimore.

That's when Corey Dillon went off for two hundred and seventy eight yards and ten of his runs were for zero or minus yards.

Twelve of his runs went for to eighty oh yeah, and he finished with two hundred and seventy eight yards.

All right, one more before the break.

Uh.

Former special teams coach Al Roberts tell me an Al Roberts story.

Al always liked to say, you wanted to a dot the ie, you know the guys that wanted to dot the ie.

But they needed a couple of bodies during a special team's drill at Georgetown College and he came over.

To the bench and he said, hey, you Lurch and bigger than Lurch, get out there.

And it was it was Scott Rayberg and Jamaine Stevens.

They had to go out onto the field for a special teams drill.

But love Al.

He introduced me to Billy white Shoes Johnson in a in a tavern restaurant in Atlanta, and that was that was awesome to meet White Shoes.

Oh one one more just because he was he meant so much of his franchise.

And and now in the Ring of Honor, what was it like covering Corey Dyllan?

Oh my gosh, the best player outside of the you know, quarterbacks, the best player that i've that I've seen.

He was Jim Brown reincarnated.

He ran angry and at times off the field he was angry, and uh, you know he got into a little bit of scrape with the Law after his rookie season, and we reported that he kind of held that against us.

But man, what two hundred and seventy eight yards and he went for eighty on the an opening handoff in Detroit's yep, but yeah, CD and I we text one another.

And the last game at Riverfront Stadium, synerg Field, he went for like one ninety eight in a three touchdowns but just clock killing Corey Dylan.

He was, uh, just the greatest.

He was Jim Brown reincarnated.

Let's take a time out.

That was fun.

We'll come back, hit down the stretch, squeeze in a couple of different things.

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Looking forward to that as well.

Before we run out of time, let's look ahead to the Arizona Cardinals first, who were in a bad way.

They started the season two and zero.

They've dropped seventh straight.

They've lost twelve of thirteen.

They do have some local connections of note on their roster, do they not check?

That's exactly all right?

Welcome back to town, Corey Kiner Roger Bacon High School LSU University of Cincinnati.

He was an undrafted college free agent signed by the San Francisco forty nine ers, but he was waived with an injury, an ankle injury.

Then Minnesota picked him up.

He was on the practice squad when Arizona grabbed him.

So looking forward to having Corey Kiner back.

And remember Jonah Williams, former first round draft pick.

Yeah, when they signed Orlando Brown, he was all upset.

He had to move to right tackle and he wanted to be a left tackle.

So what is he in Arizona?

He's a right tackle and he's on the ir for the second time, and he was given a big contract prior to twenty four thirty million, nineteen million guaranteed.

He will have missed.

He's out the rest of the year.

He will have missed nineteen of thirty four games in the two season.

So and Jacoby Brissett, should I listen?

Should I listen?

My backups Eric Sire, Donald Hollis, Billy Wollick, Bruce greg Kowski, Derek Anderson, Damon Heward, Shawn Hill, Brian Hoyer, t J.

Yates, Trevor Simeon, Mason, Rudolph, Mike White, Cooper Rush and Jacoby Brissett, all back up journeymans who had.

Beaten the battle.

Yes, and nightmares you just prompted.

And Marvin Harrison in Ohio State.

Yes, Martin Harrison, He's only had one catch in the month of December with a heel injury.

He had one catch last week for fourteen yards and hopefully he's back.

It's been a down season, a frustrating season.

And like you mentioned yesterday, Lance, the tight end for the Arizona Cardinals' snut Yeah.

Trey McBride.

Trey McBride has one hundred and nine catches for one thousand and ninety eight yards and ten touchdowns.

I would highly recommend the Bengals cover Trey McBride.

Yes, have the.

Bengals had an issue covering the tight end since back to your days and beyond have covered the It is amazing how every year it seems the opposing tight end reeks havoc of the Bengals defense.

It's always been that way.

Yes, the middle of the field is open, it's got to get shut down, all right.

Your Ohio State Buckeyes.

Yes, not this weekend.

We gotta wait till December thirty first, but they are the two seed they take on the Miami Hurricanes.

How do you currently feel, what are your emotions, what is your confidence level?

What are your concerns with the Ohio State University Buckeyes.

I'm extremely worried.

It's gonna to me it's going to depend on the offensive line because they're big.

I think they're slow, okay, and the lightning quick defense eve vents of the Miami Hurricanes, Wow, Ruben Baine.

Junior and Akeem Mesidor.

And then I'm thinking the buck guys had no business winning that Fiesta bow years to go, you know, and ending at thirty what thirty five game winning streak by the Miami Hurricanes.

Could this be a payback?

But get Julian Saying protected, give him time and run the football with with Bo Jackson.

You know, I'm not a big fan of Miami's offense.

You know, I think the Buckey's great defense with all those first round draft picks, they got to come to play and stop Miami's offense.

But gosh, the offensive line protect Julian Saying and open up some holes for But what that game is on New Year's Eve?

Yep?

Okay?

And then man the cotton that's the Cotton Bowl in Arlington, Texas, and then the Orange was always the late game.

It's the early game on the New Year's Day.

Oregon against Texas Tech, then the Rose i U against Alabama, and then the Sugar with Old Miss against Georgia.

It's my favorite day of the year.

Lance.

I met my brother Jeff's house in west Chester.

He's got four wide screens in his in his man cave and he's a food broker.

We're gonna have great food and we're gonna veg out on football.

And Ryan Day is handling play calling duties with Brian Hartline on.

Yes, Yes, and Yeah.

It's gonna be just an awesome quarterfinals here for the college football playoffs.

That that i U Ohio State game.

Boy, did Mendoza make some throws late in that game or what.

He absolutely did and it won him the Heisman, although he probably had won it against Penn State with Yeah, that phenomenal catch at the back of the end zone.

Yes, he's he's a gamer.

They've got a great defense.

They exposed Ohio State there and Miami is gonna attempt to copy it.

They are quick upfront, and the pressure that they're going to apply on Julian saying could be special.

All right, Then final thoughts on BEng Arizona before Austin slides in afternoons.

I would think this would be that classic case of Cardinals are out of it, Bengals are out of it, but the Cardinals are.

The Bengals are at home, Cardinals have to fly across the country.

They've lost seventh straight, they've lost twelve to thirteen.

Seems like a good time to score early and see how interested the Cardinals that are playing football versus checking out and starting the plane to fly home.

Totally agree, And a message for the young Bengals on defense, man, you're playing for your job and come out and get after it.

Put the Cardinals away early, and gosh, have Joe Burrow another phenomenal game with this wide receivers showcase Chase Brown and then just like last week, get Joe out of there in the fourth quarter it was eleven twenty two, I believe, to go get him out of there in the second half.

All right, this has been a blast.

I cannot tell you how cool it is.

You drove all the way here to hang out and this thing flew for ninety minutes, and thank you and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Thank you, Lance appreciated.

All the best to you and your family.

Merry Christmas and happy New Year to all the loyal listeners of seven hundred WLW out there.

All right, let's do this, take a time out of come back.

I believe Austin will be here.

He's scheduled to be here.

I have not laid eyes on him at this point.

Oh he is here.

He is Where is it?

Oh okay, he is here.

Oh okay there, I had not noticed him.

He is here.

We'll talk with Dan Klaskins, who's got your fantasy football fix.

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It's not dry till let's Ever drive The holiday season sends Rocky on assignment.

He's got five bowl games this bull season, including in Boca Raton today for the Louisville game, and Louisville won that Louisville Toledo twenty seven to twenty two, if I remember correctly.

And to replace Rocky it takes two individuals.

We split it up Chick Ludwig in the first half hour for the second portion of the show live and in person.

You hear him weekdays with Tony Pike on Sincey three point sixty.

You hear him in a variety of roles on seven hundred WLW.

He is sitting at the table with me.

Now that would be Austin Elmore.

How are you.

I'm wonderful, Lance, Thanks for having me here.

This is a rare occasion.

I don't know that I've ever done two shows in one day with the same person.

Our day began if we could pull back the curtain.

We were in the iHeartMedia studios this morning at nine o'clock.

It was you and me and Tony and Moe, and we did our yearly sports talk Year in Review and look Ahead, and we recorded a two hour plus show the whire Christmas morning at nine am.

And here lo and behold, we are back together again for a second show today.

There's just so much to talk about.

I mean, it is we could do that entire show over the next hour and a half if you want to, because there's that much to talk about.

And I'm excited to talk about the Bengals as well, and finally a little bit of hope around this, Like isn't it amazing how much better of a mood everybody when they win, Like we wouldn't want to do two shows in one day if they had.

Lost, but now we're like, yeah, we can do two.

Yeah, that's no big deal.

And we've improvised tonight, which I kind of like, and Mike remember this next year because I actually preferred this setup because the place was packed and to the point, we didn't have a table, and so Mike improvised and grabbed a smaller table and moved it to a different spot in front of the big.

Giant claw machine.

And the way the table is set up, we're sitting across from each other talking face to face.

Usually the traditional setup were side by and I have to turn to talk to Rocky.

I actually like it's like we're sitting at a table like having a beer or a coffee and just talking sports.

So Mike, you're in charge.

Next year, I want to do the face to face setup and I'll put Rocky on the other side of the t.

Well, I don't know if you want to stare at Rocky that we I mean, obviously I'm a lot better to look at than Rocky is.

But I get what you're saying.

I want to know if you've used that claw at any point.

No, but at one point during the show, second Christmas shopping could be happening.

There were there were.

Like twelve kids shoved in behind me playing the claw machine and trying to win little uh little Rubber.

Ducks prize Time Deluxe is there?

You go?

All right?

Uh, we're gonna start off.

We're gonna start off big, and we're gonna make this because you know, I have cards to read.

We're gonna make this this week's Hot topic around the NFL, brought to you by Hudson Oil, fueling champions on and off the field.

We're gonna localize it to the Bengals the hot topic.

And I heard this a lot from Joe Burrow mentioned it, and I think we've all mentioned it that Sunday.

We'll get into the debate of how much it meant and what to take out of it in our next segment, sure, but for the moment that Sunday is how it was supposed to look.

In an ideal world, the performance we saw on Sunday would have been translated extrapolated over a seventeen game season.

That was fun to watch, yeah, and it was a reminder obviously of what could have been, what should have been.

I heard chicks say hopefully what will be.

And that's the thing with me is I know Tony and I have disagreed a little bit on this.

I know some people on social media have disagreed with this.

I really don't think the Bengals are that far away, and Sunday was a reminder of that.

And if you think even after the Baltimore game when they got beat twenty four to nothing, Joe Burrow was asked about not being far away and he said, I don't think we're that far away.

Truthfully, hard to fathom in that moment after that game, but easy to understand where he could get that after the way that they played against the Miami Dolphins on Sunday, and when you look at the pieces that you know have to be in place on defense, and the money that they have to spend in all of that, I think there's a path for it to happening sooner rather than later.

This isn't like a rebuild that they have to do.

And this was a reminder on Sunday of that.

And the encouraging thing is and you know, this is one of Dave Laplan's favorite lines about complimentary football.

That was the very definition of complimentary football.

They had an offense that produced points following turnovers being handed possessions by the defense, and special teams carried there into the bargain as well.

It was a complete three element performance by this team.

Yeah, and that's what you have to have, Like in this league.

We always talk about, Okay, you don't have to have the best defense in the NFL.

You have to have an opportunistic defense.

And if you're going to have a defense like that, you got to have an offense that can score.

And I feel like the Bengals are never a top flight special teams unit.

I mean, I know, Darren Simmons has been here for one hundred and fifteen years.

They've been okay, They've never been great at the special teams, and again the bar is very low.

Can you not fumble a kickoff?

Can you make the extra point?

Can you get four touchbacks inside the twenty?

Your guy Ryan Rico showed up yes, And so when you finally get that all together, it's easy to see.

Okay, Yeah, this is what this is what complimentary football actually looks like.

And I think everybody had, had you been a betting person, it would have been a good bet that Joe Burrow was going to bounce back after the way he played last week, second lowest passing performance of his career.

He turns in the second best of his career.

But watching him, the passes he completed, the way he moved out of the pocket, extended plays, that was the Joe Burrow.

And as he said, he he had fun.

He was with his teammates and they won a football game.

That was the Joe Burrow.

That is super Bowl caliber Joe Burrow.

Yeah, And I think the team responded and kind of rallied behind Joe because whatever was going on football or non football, it kind of crept into that Baltimore game.

It was zero degrees.

Everybody was miserable and they're like, you know, what we got a rally behind Joe Burrow here and let's hold up our end of the bargain and try to finish this thing.

And I think that's important, especially when I think of the defense.

You talk about playing complimentary football and all that.

Zach Taylor challenged them at halftime, we need turnovers.

Go get turnovers, and they did that.

And again that's them holding up there into the bargain, because if Joe's going out and throwing three touchdowns in the first half and looks like him and they're three points ahead of Miami at the half, it's like, Okay, here we go again.

We can't lose another game like this.

And they held up there into the bargain.

What is perplexing to me, which I don't know what to make of it from this standpoint.

Had the performances been reversed, had they played really well against Baltimore but lost and been eliminated, I could have understood a letdown and then losing this weekend.

Maybe I don't understand how they went from looking disinterested at home with the season on the line, not scoring to looking and I know the Dolphins are a factor in that equation, but I don't understand the difference in performance and engagement level for this team.

I don't know how important that is ultimately, but that let me confused.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I mean I didn't expect him to be at that level.

I don't know that anybody did, because you know, I've I've long pounded the table for Zach Taylor.

I'm a Zach Taylor guy.

But against Baltimore they quit on him.

Yeah, and that worried me about what the rest of this season would look like, especially what that meant considering the news coming out about him getting an extension yep, and where this path is going to lead.

But I think I was, you know, reminded.

I know those guys in that locker room like Zach.

I know they respect Zach.

I know they like playing for Zach.

Does that mean that he should be the head coach?

Not always, but it does have an impact, especially in games like this that mean nothing.

And the response after a game as bad as it was against Baltimore with nothing to play for, I think is indicative of the roots of the culture starting to take hold.

Yeah, because those guys are gone.

Hubbard's gone, Bell's gone, Hilton's gone.

This whole season has been about, fine, who's gonna be the people to replace them?

Trey Henderson has not been around, He's not been a part of the team.

So now I think we're starting to see that as we get towards the end of the season when the adversity hits.

Even that drive in the third quarter against Baltimore whatever, the sixteen play drive that took eight minutes off the clock, down by three scores, it was almost like a just concede this, let's get it over with.

There was no urgency.

It just none of it added up to springboarding them into this week's performance.

So I just I don't get it was like.

Unplugged for one game and then plugged back in and super charged for another.

And it just I don't that's the only odd thing.

I don't know what to make up that.

That's a great point.

I wish I had an answer for you, because you just don't see that.

Yeah, and you certainly don't see it from the Bengals to go from one end of that spectrum to the other in such a short period of time, and the fact that they turn it over each time they turn it over, including the turnover on downs the offense then scores a touchdown.

I mean truly, in the most complimentary of the essence of the game.

They took advantage of everything they gave them.

And I mentioned this with Chick what I liked about the turnovers.

It wasn't just one guy forcing a turnover.

It was somebody punching the ball out, somebody falling of the ball.

It was somebody punching the ball up in the air, somebody intercepting the ball.

That's what this defense has lacked.

That the quintessential get guys to How many times have we seen mistackles.

They got multiple guys to the football and made things happen on Suday.

Yeah, and you know, I think a lot of people go into that game thought Devon h Chan was gonna run all over them, and he certainly had his moments.

But early on in that game, they were swarming to the football.

They were aggressive off the line of scrimmage, they were getting to the boundary quickly.

They're doing all the things you are supposed to do.

And I remember the quote from Mike and McDaniel after the game.

He said, for the first time all season, it felt like we were out techniqued.

They wanted it more than we did.

How many times have you said that about the Biggs defense?

Zero?

The answer to that question is zero.

So I don't know if it is some sort of pride or something that that clicked inside them.

That's like, crap, this was not how any of this was supposed to go.

All right, Still ahead, We'll squeeze in Dan Klaskins for the final time this year because it's championship week in fantasy football.

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All right, let's get to the big doings from fantasy football.

Our next guest, our weekly contributor, host of Fantastics Insider Football Sirius XM Fantasy.

It is week seventeen, and we welcome in Day and Klaskins.

How are you.

Hey, Lance, Tommy doing tonight?

Brother, We are well ready to go.

My son, Casey's a little bummed.

He was headed towards a championship until last night.

He said, I should be good unless Brock Purdy goes off.

And Brock Purty went off and Casey was doomed a halftime.

Absolutely all right, Let's reflect on some insights from this season and maybe make us better fantasy players in the future.

Yeah, no doubt about it.

Lance, You know I've been playing GERM for thirty years.

No matter how long you play, you could always take class in the DCAD And here's a few of mine from this year.

One.

Let's stop wasting valuable draft picks un injured players.

So many guys were drafted Brandon.

A, Joe Mixon, a small of players with mid round picks and never actually played a football game.

But the way injuries occur in the league right now, you can't afford to start with.

A couple already.

Rookie running backs seldom deliver early round value.

Insidiffy was the top ten pick of Marion Hampton Treaty un headed round two and three rd parties around four or five.

None of them really delivered on that value.

Owners are offen patient, so generally they're overrated.

Lance.

I'm still waiting on quarterbacks next year too, Drake Mate, Matthew Stafford, Trevor Lawrence, Jushin, Perpert, Caleb Williams, Sam Darner, all those guys who were drafted outside the top twelve that every league I was in, and all of them in the top twelve as we did here today.

You got to get an anchor running back in those first thirty picks.

Don't be a knuckleheads.

I did it in a couple of leagues.

I've waited at little too long.

You need that RD one and.

Finally you're in a lot of leagues.

Don't use the game strategy and every league mix it up.

I got guilty of this last year, getting a little drunk on tin ends and those premiums tight end.

As the two of the Big three got hurt, my team, everything was down to drag.

So you know, just whatever your lessons are, remember him now so they can help you next time.

All right, let's take one final look the all important injury report heading into this final stretch man.

This is the time of year where the bad teams and everybody's hurt.

They're going to stop playing.

But here's the key injury to watch.

We got a lot of different days with games, but Lamar Jackson, let's start a quarterback obviously suffered that back injury during Sunday night games.

Either it was a non participant.

Today, the Ravens are on a short week here.

I don't think he's gonna go, but we'll see wait and see you on the other side.

Of that game.

Jordan's love.

Officially, it can cause some protocol belief Willis finished out last week and that loss to the Bears.

J.

J.

McCarthy.

He's already been ruled out for the Biking this week, so Max Brosner Bill looks to start there.

Pretty Much the entire Viking teams hurt.

I would avoid all of them outside of Dustin Jefferson, Trevion Henderson.

He's a kincussion proto probably on Quinch John Junkins.

He broke that leg last week, five to six month recovery.

He's ready for week one, But you're not gonna have a Browns running back.

He's last two weeks of fantasy what he marks didn't play last week for the Texans.

He's trending in the right direction.

I'm not trusting this guy in Championship week, so last hope you don't need a dk metcamp this week or next.

His suspense its upheld just hours ago.

He is going to get those two games for that interaction with the fans.

And here's the thing, it's the Raven Blue that Green Bay Pittsford had nothing to play, so the Stewarts offense as a whole getting real sketty here in Championship week.

And then three big wideout injuries.

Were watching Devonte Adams at the Hams being for Shaw shooting me, Rossie Rice with a concussion rama, Dusney Luther Burdon two whiteouts of the Bears not on played last week.

Obviously, we'll see I'm not looking at any of those guys outside maybe Adams returning here in fantishing championship week.

All right, how about lineup advice our weekly studs, duds a sleepers.

Yeah, let's start with my stud and give you a little Christmas night goodness.

Dax Prescott is my gut.

Here's the players.

Scored twenty five plus fantasy points the four of his last five starts, first the Commanders.

He's got twenty plus fantasy points at five of his last six overroa.

He gets that easy.

This week, my stud receiver christ arcuse Me Chris Alave.

He's at Tennessee, the tight fifteed and the ninth past fantasy points to white House on this season.

I really love the way he's connected with rookie Tyler Schuck.

There sixteen catches, twenty five targets, twohundred and thirty three yards of the three score of over last two weeks.

He is a top ten play this week on to the does We'll go quarterback on Christmas there too, Derek Goff.

He's at Minnesota.

No team's given up fewer Fantasy points the Fantasy Sigma callers and back to Vikings, but they're allowing on one and a half points less per game than the second beat Sea, which is the Texans only want to be all here is passed for more than a single TV in Minnesota.

Golfo I managed it at after once in five careers starts for the Vikings.

I don't like him this week.

I don't like Rieka Dabble this week either.

Tough matchup, but he's only found the end zone once over his last five games.

He hasn't broken fifty eight yards on the ground at six straight and he's splitting time with two bee hundred doesn't help.

He's facing the Seahawks table about the fewest fantasy points two running backs over the last five weeks.

We're benching him and I'll leave you with a couple of sleepers for Week seventeen.

We're gonna go Michael Carter.

I can't go without taking against the Bengals teams I hate to do with it has been Fantasy gold and hard.

I mean, the usage wasn't perfect, but he's clearly that lead back in Arizona right now, more than doubling other running backs and snatch aout the opportunity and going against that Bengal defense.

They're allowing the most fantasy points to running back twenty three running back if a double digit half TPR points against the Bengals, fourteen of them fourteen plus.

That's why I'm projecting Carter here USRB twenty for Week seventeen, and my final sleeper Troy Franklin.

And you know pat Ryant went down rookie there.

I looked for Franklin to get back to that eight to nine target range when he was a big time fantasy contributor in October.

You're taking up team of late fifteen point seven PPR over the last susas average.

I think he gets close to that this week.

He's in that wide receiver three ranked here in championship week.

So it all comes down to this, Dan, give us maybe a final word or words of wisdom for those playing in the championship game.

Yeah, well, first of all, congratulations, you got there.

Only two teams out of twelve in most League fourteen, even tennis.

I'm gotten to this point.

Only one team is gonna win that Fantasy league fans, But you.

Know, right now, the biggest word of advice for Week.

Seventeen is pay attention.

There's a lot of different days in the game.

You've got to get the right spots in line.

Let's make sure you got the flex guys playing late.

Check the weather.

It's December, it could be a factor.

This week's looking pretty good there though.

And I said it a.

Couple of weeks ago.

Here to your process.

You made it this part.

Doing this one.

Don't change it now.

So best of luck to everybody.

I hope everybody enjoys this last week the fans football lands.

I certainly appreciate m back here with you another season.

Get talking about my friend, Well, this was was it always has been a blast.

Your commitment and loyalty to this show has been unwavering for over two decades.

Most importantly, your friendship has been very valued.

And I have a blast doing this and thank you for doing it and look forward to doing it again next season.

Yes, yes, I feel the same way as my friend.

I with you and your family and all the listeners and merry Christmas, and best of luck here in week seventeen and hopefully.

That we can take it up.

Let's win the money, let's get that trophy, and I'll look forward to talking to you about it again next year.

Sounds like I am playing Merry Christmas Day and take care all right, brother?

All right, there you go.

Dan Klaskin's host of Fantastics Insider, Football Serious XM Fantasy, wrapping up another It's a year twenty two to twenty three.

I've lost track so many years, but love doing it with Daniell.

I'm I'm at dinner last night and I turned to Casey.

I said, so, how are you looking with your teams for the championship And he said, I should be pretty good tonight to advance to the championship as long as brock Perty and George Kittle don't go off and Purty throws for five touchdowns has a career high thirty plus Fantasy points for him.

And I text Casey today, I said, so did he hose you?

And he said it was over by halftime.

Yeah, I think it was.

Like the first pass of the game was a thirty five yard nag George Kittle and it was going to be a long night.

I had a similar situation I had.

I needed twelve points from Tyler Warren to get to the championship.

Philip Rivers missed him on a wide open touchdown.

He had a drop that ended up in a tip pass that that fell to the ground.

I was gonna go face off with Rick Yu Chino game showdown and I lost.

Thanks Phil Rivers, oh man, Now are.

You a one fantasy football team owner or multiple fantasy football team?

I have five and I am the commissioner of three leagues.

You you've got.

I always thought you had problems.

You haven't even more problems.

Then all starting to make sense, isn't it?

It is all coming together.

We've got an hour to go.

Hang time.

We'll turn the corner into the eight o'clock hour.

I want to talk about what's to be taken away from this past Sunday and the great debate of the meaning behind it and if winning was fun and enjoyable or if it was screwing up the draft pick, and if guys shouldn't play, and all of that as we deal with the eight o'clock hour ahead.

Thanks for hanging out with us tonight.

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Anyway, we go our third hour, third of three big hours.

Tonight, the show expands to what is a a regular time span early in the season for us, before all the coaches shows get going.

We got three tonight, two next week to wrap it all up.

We're back here next Tuesday night from six to eight o'clock.

Rocky Boyman is on assignment.

He was in Boca Ratan earlier today for the the Boca Raton Bowl Tough Life Louisville Toledo twenty two, twenty seven to twenty two the final.

Brock has four more bowl games and he will be out next week.

Austin will be in in his place again thanks to a Chick Ludwig stud He was.

In earlier for the first portion of the show.

Told a fabulous Marvin Lewis story of Marvin yelling at him and demanding he report to his office the next morning, where they went toe to toe, and how Steve Tobar wanted to strangle him one time in the locker room.

Does not beat story time with the Chick.

Long list of those people with chicklood with Yes, Yes, that was that was fun stuff.

That was excellent stuff with Chick.

All right, let's get into and this I ask on on Twitter yesterday and I think it's part of the conversation that came out of the game of the Bengals winning.

And we go through this each year they're out of the race.

How much the final games mean, how much they should they mean?

Should they try to tank, should they try to win?

Should they sit players?

I'll baseline it very simply.

Put, they won on Sunday.

Were you able to enjoy the victory on Sunday?

Yes?

I was because I like it when my favorite team plays good football and when the best players on that team play good football, And I personally, like I just have a soft spot for Joe Burrow.

I want him to perform at a high level.

I want him to, you know, be the representation of the Bengals that you know, we've I think a lot of Bengals fans have been missing for so many years.

I mean, even Andy Dalton could only take you so far.

Carson Palmer didn't have the personality like I think there's just something about that.

And anytime you whip somebody's butt, I mean that feels good as a fan, and I think there's something to be taken from them.

Yeah, I just I don't get I always default to life is tough enough.

The last thing I'm gonna do is be miserable.

I don't have to be miserable, and they want a football game.

And I can just tell you from a very selfish individual standpoint, it's a lot easier walking into pay corps for Bengals line on Mondays when they have won a game versus losing a game.

And ultimately, the goal is to There's a reason the standings have a WN and l win or lose, and the goal is to win.

And you know, I quoted HERM Edwards earlier and I'll quote it again.

You play to win the game.

I just I don't have the time or the storage in my emotional bank to not be happy with a victory.

If you want to get wrapped up in in draft picks, they're in the same position they were going in.

They'll pick ninth.

That may change over the next two weeks, but I don't know.

I just think if you are to be a winning organization, you have to win football games.

And Sunday was a win.

And we can get into here in a second.

Whether it's a false positive or not, makes the organization think things are fine, But for the moment, they won a football game and they looked good doing it.

In all three phases, and that's been very rare this year.

So I'll take it and I'll run with it.

For the majority of this season they have not played up to the standard.

Yes, on Sunday they did, Yes, And that's that's worth celebrating.

Yeah, that's worth saying and appreciating.

Okay, finally in a game that, even though it doesn't matter, that is.

What it's supposed to look like.

That is the standard for the offense, that is the standard for the defense.

They did what they were supposed to do.

There is something to take from that, if you're a coach, if you're a player, whatever.

It might be.

And I think the other thing is we often times kind of look at players as like numbers on a spreadsheet.

If you've ever watched like quarterback with Joe Burrow, or.

Receiver or hard knocks, any of these behind the scenes stuff, you realize this isn't just a game to them.

This is their life.

This is their work.

And for you know, I know Dave Lapham tells the story of Paul Brown telling people to find your life's work when he would cut them.

Well, for a lot of these guys, this is their life's work and they want to and take pride in that there are guys that are on this team that aren't gonna be here next year.

They're gonna be planned for other teams.

What you put on tape matters, whether that's against the Miami Dolphins or the Baltimore Ravens or the New England Patriots.

And when we're talking about each of those, into the rules, coaches and players and the X number of man hours put into game planning practicing.

Who wants to go through all of that and then lose a football game.

Nobody wants to do that.

And I always hear the argument, well, it's best if they lose out and I want them to tank for a better pick.

And always ask people who believe in tanking what they think tanking would look like.

What would it be the coaches getting up in front of the team saying, guys, I don't want you to try hard this week?

Would it be the coaches telling all the starters you're sitting in, all the backups?

And then what is the rest of the locker?

I mean, what is the message if that's the messaging you're delivering?

So do you not want the players to try hard?

I never understand how people think tanking would look and it's like a throwaway line they should tank, and nobody can explain to me what they think that would actually look like and how it would play out at an NFL game.

No, I agree with you, But if you want to know what it looks like, twenty nineteen, Andy Dalton gets benched on his birthday for Ryan, that's what tanking looks like.

And I think the only time you should ever tank is when it's in pursuit of a franchise quarterback.

Yes you have one.

You don't need to do that.

And the debate becomes culture, culture building.

Is it wins or is it draft picks?

I think right now it's wins.

Yeah, and the whole look.

The debate right now, if they're ninth and by winning the final two games they slipped to thirteenth, yeah, I don't know.

Come talk to me draft night when when picks nine to ten, eleven to twelve go off the board.

Who maybe they want but to right now I just can't entertain the and get worked up saying, oh, they could have been ninth and now they're gonna be thirteenth.

Not right now.

So for about a month now, I've resigned to the fact couple Bengals are not going to the playoffs.

Oh okay, I.

Thought you were gonna say you were working your draft simulators, and I was about to tell you.

So I've started looking at the draft.

Okay, this is this is what elite preparation looks like.

You don't get this look.

You don't get this from Rocky boyman.

So I've been looking at the draft and everything that i've and it's very early.

There's not a huge difference between pick eight and pick seventeen in terms of the type of player.

And they have so many needs, yes, that it doesn't matter.

They can pick best player available, whether it's a safety or a defensive lineman or a linebacker or whoever it might be.

I'm gonna go full James for peat on.

You wouldn't be crazy if they took a wide receiver, by the way, running back, No, I would, right would riot.

But even if you look at it from that lens, the difference in the type of player that they would draft in that range is not significant.

And so in my mind, the wins are more important to the culture than the draft pick right now, especially when it's not a huge difference, and I also.

Don't buy the whole the scared approach of somebody's going to get hurt.

They're football players.

How many times did Joe have to say I'm a football player.

I play football.

Jamar Chase is.

I hesitate to use the word warrior, but what Jamar Chase does?

What t Higgins?

T Higgins got on a plane, flew to Pittsburgh thinking on that flight, what if they tell me that I can't play football again this season or shouldn't play football the rest of my life?

Came home and said I was cleared.

I'm going to play football.

That's what they do.

And I just I just can't imagine approaching it being scared and not playing, because then if you're going to do that, then what does it say to everybody?

Will you go play?

We're scared of this guy getting hurt, so you go out there and you risk everything.

It just it never made any sense.

It's like iHeartMedia coming up to you and saying, hey, Lance, we don't need you Tuesday night.

We know you just did Bengals line yesterday.

We don't want you to get hurt on Tuesday night at the Bengals all the table.

I would have appreciated, they said, and you did a show this morning, so don't worry about sight trucks.

There's danger and all that we do in driving to the airport, in driving to the stadium, it's it's that's football, that's life.

And I don't think you should go through life scared.

Yes, we agree on that.

When we come back, let's let's talk.

Let's talk what Miles Murphy is showing us.

Man, what we need to see from Shamar Stewart, and what we've seen from somebody like Jyalen Davis.

How about that for a tea?

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All right, Miles Murphy, in a season of so much angst over the defense and hand ringing of what the defense didn't do, Miles Murphy down the stretch has been a bright light on this defense.

And to me, I use light because there would be moments where he might flash.

Once in a game and you say, ooh, to me, it seems like the light is now on and we see like full bore Miles Murphy and it's kind of exciting to see.

It's very exciting to see.

I mean, in a season in which you're looking for anything to grasp onto, hope wise, defensively, it does feel like the light is turned on and has stayed on, and that is something that legitimately can be built around next year.

Now, is he going to turn into Trey Henderson?

I don't know that anybody thinks that, But if you have an effective player who can set the edge, who can at least put some pressure on the quarterback, who's great in the run game, that's where he's been very good at him is in the run game, especially, who flies off the ball like that and can be a true story on that defense of oh yeah, this is what it's supposed to look like.

You develop into this type of player.

I think that can be huge for this team, especially if you know, going into next year, let's say they don't keep Trey Henderson around and you've got that extra twenty five million dollars or so to spend, think about what you can do with that if you don't have to put a ton of it into the edge position, if you go with Joseph Osai or Miles Murphy or someone else.

Yeah, I love the fact that in Miles has been when he makes plays, he's been very demonstrative in celebrating it.

And I like that because there's a confidence there and you could see it growing at him.

And I've always said, and whatever we talk to him on Bengals line or Dave's talked to him in the locker room, he's a very thoughtful young guy.

He's very reflective and very smart guy.

And sometimes it's almost as if he's been overthinking it at times and almost making him mechanical on the field.

It feels like now he's just kind of cut it loose and using the natural instincts and athleticism and you see him flying around and making an impact, and that's that's part of what the profile was when that's why they drafted it.

I feel like we always use the term simplify on defense.

It feels like whatever it is, it's simplified for Miles Murphy.

Yes, and it just allows him to play at one thousand miles per hour.

Coaches always say if you're gonna make a mistake making it a thousand miles an hour and miles and times of being timid last year, throughout his career.

I do think, you know, a strange comparison is him and Amarius Mims.

Didn't play a ton early on, it did Miles Murphy.

He was kind of subject to these rotational pieces, didn't get a lot of snaps.

And now you realize, Okay, if you do something every day, you know what's expected of you.

You go up against different types of offenses, different types of tackles.

You gain and bank all that experience and turn it into being a good player.

It's like with any job.

You know, if you do it every day, you start to figure out how to get good at it, how to take the short cuts, how to take the long way, all of it.

I think the guy who is is going to be an interesting decision is Joseph Osai.

Yeah, because I've always liked Joseph Osai.

But there was always that, oh, just give me more, I need more, and then something would happen.

And now he's dealing with an ankle injury.

And I mean, if you let's just say for argument's sake, and I don't think it's an argument it Pencil and Miles Murphy on one end next year, does Osai merit a free agent contract and a financial commitment along those lines?

Certainly Shamar Stewart hasn't shown enough to take that out of the equation.

So how do we view Joseph Osai Because he's going somebody is going to pay Joseph Osai right, a lot of money and he has it's going to be on future potential, Right, do we believe enough to invest that and bank that kind.

Of money in him?

I certainly would be open to it.

I hope the Bengals are open to it.

The guy I'd want to talk to the most is Jerry Montgomery, the defensive line coach, who I felt like got Joseph productive earlier in the season than what we've seen him in the past, and I think he deserves a lot of credit for the development of Miles Murphy as well.

I would like to talk to him, and I'm sure the Bengals will do that.

Something that's interesting.

He's gonna warrant, according to the projections, fifteen to sixteen million dollars a year on the open market.

His agent is a guy by the name of David Mullagetta, who we know about his dealings with the bank with both Jesse Bates and t Higgins, So that feels like it's kind of stacked against you.

So you're saying, he signs with the Cowboys.

Then he's probably gonna get more than fifteen million dollars a YEW a year, is what I'm trying to say.

And it's gonna be a lot of guaranteed money.

So I think right now I would guess it doesn't happen.

And with the idea of them being able to develop Shamar Stewart and draft another guy, then I think it becomes a more realistic possibility that Trey Henderson comes.

Back and you allow a sign to leave in free agency and see it.

It's that scenario that fork in the road they've hit so many times, where say, Jesse Bates are a DJ reader, if you've developed enough in your pipeline, if you've drafted, if you've identified, drafted and developed, and you have a guy ready in the pipeline, maybe you say, Joseph, we love you, and it took a little bit for you to get gone, and now we've got a tough decision.

But we've got Shamar and we believe in him, and we're gonna let you go, Versus we're gonna you just hate to develop a guy for that long and deal with his struggles.

Then when he starts to make the progress, then you can't afford or decide not to afford it.

Just that happens a lot with this organization, and too many times they take the wrong fork of the road.

Yes, you're right, And if you think of some of these young players that they've extended in recent years, Logan Wilson is one of those guys, and he was much more of a sure thing at that point in his career and you felt really confident about him.

I don't know that Joseph is at that level.

I don't know if he is, And I don't know if the Bengals are gonna look at it and say, Okay, we've got all this money sixty seventy maybe up to eighty million dollars once the new cap number comes in, and we're gonna spend twenty five of it on either Trey Henderson or Joseph O'SAI.

I don't know that they'd be willing to do that.

I don't know that that would be the wise thing to do.

Now there's another guy on that defense who.

Talk about flying under the radar and just surviving, and he's survived in this league since twenty eighteen.

Jalen Davis was undrafted, Yeah, spent the first year in twenty eighteen with Miami and then I Arizona.

I think it went Miami to Arizona and has been with the Bengals since twenty twenty and has lived mostly on the or a lot on the practice squad.

Played in his sixty second NFL game on Sunday, recorded his first interception, but has played so well and seemingly is around the ball enough that I think it's a fair question to say, could somebody explain the evaluation of him in the preseason and in recent years versus somebody like Cam Taylor britt And why has Jalen Davis been fighting for scraps for so long?

I remember doing a segment during training camp talking about how Jalen Davis needs to be on this football team, and I did not understand why he wasn't given the same chance as some of those other guys early on in camp.

Now, obviously Cam Taylor Britton, those type of guys.

But when you have Mike Hilton walking out the door, yep, Jalen Davis he's the perfect replacement for that type of guy.

And I, okay, this is a dude that Al Golden can use.

He can blitz, he can come off the edge, he's not been a terrible cover, he's a sure tackler, all the things that they were looking for.

Ye and he's sat on the practice squad for the majority of this season.

Does not make sense to me whatsoever.

For all the mistackles, for all the communication issues in recent years in the secondary.

Look nobody.

I don't think either one of us are proclaiming Jalen Davis a Pro Bowl caliber player, but he's damned serviceable.

And this team if it had more serviceable players on these defense this year, they wouldn't be in the predictament.

The GOODFL teams are filled with guys like Jalen Davis, the guy who can come in and fill a role and not hurt you every single time the ball has thrown his way.

Yes, final thought to conclude before we hit news on Shamar Stewart.

I don't know.

I don't know that I can draw a conclusion on Shamar Stewart other than he's gonna have to show him a hell of a lot more next season.

I think it was interesting Zach Taylor went out of his way this week or last week to talk about how attentive and engaging and focus Shamar Stewart appears to be meetings and trying to get this chance to finish out the season.

He's a guy I think who should be on the field every single snap he can get, especially with Osai being out.

I think Miles or I think Samar kind of look around at this season and says, all right, didn't have a training camp contract, stuff all this.

Fans didn't like me.

For a while, agent was making noise my step dads on social media fighting with Bengals fans.

Can I just focus on football?

And I hope an offseason with no distractions and a clear defined role and plan for him can pay dividends next season?

All right, when we come back, let's uh, how about we spin off from Sunday's.

Win and the whole debate if anybody enjoyed it.

There is a legitimate concern of the organization viewing a finish of three straight wins as like validation for the playing can we talk about the concern over that.

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Lance McAlister, Austin Elmore, one of the offshoots of late season elimination by the Bengals brings the debate and now for three years in a row, not making the playoffs of what the final games of the season mean, and if it's victory, if there are wins, if that skews and I think that's the biggest fear of the fan base, that the front office, Duke Tobin, the Mike Brown and others will view things as maybe not as bad as we thought, and with a little bit of luck and some health, next year will be good to go.

That's simply that we saw how that worked out with that approach last After last season, it simply can't be.

It is as as much a season, I would argue in the history of the franchise next year, because if you go four straight years with Joe Burrow, you don't deserve Joe Burrow.

You deserve all bad things that would come if you would manage four straight And I think all the Joe conversation over the last couple of weeks, that's kind of been his point.

It's like, listen, we can't just keep doing the same thing here because that's not fun.

Number one and number two, it's clearly not working.

You could make the case last year and I would have listened to it, and I did, and I bought into it a little bit about them being unlucky and then being a little bit unhealthy and marginal improvements will help them.

Well, what I learned is they could get worse.

They did get worse.

Somehow, they got worse on defense.

And so you know, if you if you go back to the Marvin era, when they went to the playoffs five years in a row, six years in a row, whatever it was, it was the same thing.

Every offseason.

They'll get some middle of the road veteran free agent.

They'll pay him barely any money whatsoever, and he's not gonna be enough to put them over the top.

And so what happened.

They had the same result every year for four or five six years in a row.

They have been better, but last year wasn't good enough, and they have no excuse this year.

I mentioned it earlier.

Already sitting at seventy million dollars, biggest fallacy is gonna go up.

And the biggest fallacy in the history of Cincinnati Sports is signing Joe Jabar and t leaves the Bengals unable to spend to improve the roster.

It's simply not true.

If you're someone who believes that, you're simply misinformed.

And I don't know why a ball that now you got me all worked up SCO.

Come on, this drives me crazy because of all things, for the fan base to believe, I don't know why they would believe something that would cut the organization slack.

I don't know why they're believing that.

Because I could see if it was the other way, But they're believing something that cuts the organization slack, and I know the fan base doesn't want.

To do that, So why are people believing that.

As much as they screwed up the timing of those deals and ended up costing themselves more money, they did make deals and because of the you know, so you could say because of the lack of moves made and the lack of development of some of these guys, they've also set themselves up really nicely.

Do have the flexibility in the years of the prime of Joe and Jamar and t.

And you know the other thing too, is they have almost no dead money.

They are one of the best in the NFL at dead money.

That allows flexibility.

Now, that comes to the cost for sure when it comes to negotiating and guaranteed money and void years and all this other nonsense.

But the Bengals deserve credit because they've put themselves in a situation to say we have the flexibility to go out and do it.

You know, I think of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Mahomes is dealing with an ACL tear.

They're forty four million dollars over the cap right now, and they have a long way to go before they get back to being competitive, just in terms of building the roster.

And then they're out begging for money for a stadium, even though they're worth thirty billion dollars.

But that's a different store.

But I think there's so many similarities lands to the twenty twenty season.

Burrow got hurt, missed a chunk of games, they won a couple of games late that ultimately didn't mean that much.

But they had the exact same amount of money just about they spent.

They had sixty million dollars to spend.

They spent fifty seven million of it in free agency.

They got Trey Hendrickson, they got Mike Hilton, they got also On Bell Von Bell.

They they went after those guys and supplemented the weak spots of their roster with veterans who can compete.

They have the formula they can do it again.

Albert Breer from Monday Morning quarterback wrote about Joe Burrow today online and his line was, and this is part of a thing he had done last week in video for I believe was well.

But he wrote, MY feeling is that Burrow badly wants to be a change agent for Cincinnati.

He's made the most of that opportunity.

I don't think he's ready to give up on that.

He won't be patient forever.

Eventually this could become Matthew Stafford in Detroit, and Albert wrote, I think the people who run the Bengals are aware of that.

And he talked with Zach Taylor and Zach said, and this, I guess I have a bit of an issue with this when Zach says this was a down year for us, a disappointing year, but that doesn't mean we're not ready to get right back to it, reload and compete for a division championship, super Bowl, whatnot.

And Albert said it's on the Bengals to surround him with more talent, particularly on defense.

I don't want them.

And Zach uses it as a throwaway line sometimes and it bugs me that we've done it before, we can do it again.

Things have changed.

They got Jamar Chase in that process that helped him win.

In all this, I just there's a giant bug crawling on me of some sort.

What is that?

Yeah, I couldn't tell what that was, but was my point.

I just I don't want them to believe it's easy.

It's not.

They're gonna have to work at it, and they're gonna have to be smart at it, and they're gonna have to be driven by it to do this.

Because I'm sorry, they owe this to Joe Burrow.

Correct, he's twenty nine years old and this is a third straight year of it should have been the conversation we're having right now they should have been having after last year's saying he can't possibly miss the playoffs and the reality is Joe Burrow getting injured.

I know he got injured, but they went without him.

What they went one and eight.

You can't go.

You can't lose your quarterback and just accept being one and eight.

You gotta have a better football team to be one and eight just because you let your starting quarterback.

And I think that them trading for Joe Flacco was an admission of guilt of like, oh yeah, sorry, we weren't ready, We weren't prepared for this, and that I think was maybe the first sign that Zach Taylor was gonna have a little bit more run with than anybody expected him to have.

But there's two things that stand out to me.

Number One, I was listening to Sam Hubbard with Dan and Lapp last week on the Pep Rally Show, and he's been friends with Joe Burrow for a long time, going back to Ohio State, and he said, I want people to know Joe Burrow takes a lot of pride in playing for the Cincinnati Bengals, and I think that's where all of this comes from.

When you care about something and you take pride in something and it's not meeting your standard, that's upsetting to you, especially if you're the face of that and he is.

And the other thing too, is in the second half of the Baltimore game a couple of weeks ago and they got shut out twenty four to nothing.

Adidi Kinkawala was doing a sideline report, God Bless her in the zero degree temperatures, and she was talking about their meeting with Joe Burrow that week, their production meeting, and he told them that he feels like his voice is heard.

He feels like he's not afraid to be very honest about his opinions.

He told them he has strong opinions about players on the team and not on the team, and that the Bengals take that into account.

That's the first time I'd heard that, and that to me is a very good sign that they do understand the magnitude of what they're dealing with here, Because you know, we talked about it a little bit this morning when we recorded the other show.

There's precedent here.

The Carson Palmer thing happened.

Yep.

Whether we want to admit it or not, or if you want to blame Carson, go ahead, I think you're wrong, but it happened, and so there's precedent there, and that means that people are going to believe it can happen again.

Yeah.

I just there's also a weird element here.

There's a segment of fans who and I'm not saying this just because there was a fan behind the bench in the Baltimore game who threw the Joe Burrow jersey at him was calling him name, But there's a segment of fans who I don't know what it is that bothers them about Joe Burrow and I can't figure it out, but I'll get him.

They say, well, he already got what he wanted in Jamar Chase and t Higgins.

What else does he want?

Well, I would argue he wants a defense, he wants a halfway decent defense.

I just don't there's an odd thing.

I think because Joe like did a runway thing last year with a backless shirt.

Sure people don't like Joe Burro.

There's a segment that don't like Joe Burrow.

I'll tell you what it is.

A band in his hair.

They don't like Joe.

I'm like, of all things to worry about, I'll tell you what it is.

For some reason, you know this better than most fans in this city.

Don't like it when a player makes a lot of money.

And they don't like when that player makes a lot of money and get gets hurt.

Yeah, I give you Joey Bot.

Joey Vada was the first person that came to mind and Burrow.

Unfortunately, the injuries have been part of the story.

You know, and I don't know that the injuries have necessarily been his fault.

You know.

The first time that offensive line couldn't protect him somehow.

That guard that got him killed is still playing, by the way for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

But like you know, the calf injury, that could happen to anybody, the appendix, the wrist freak, what happened this year, turf toe happens all over the NFL.

Not necessarily anyone to blame there, and not even Joe Burrow other than it's just bad luck.

But yeah, that when it comes to like that, when there's you know, lap them always says your best ability is availability, and people don't see him playing, and they see how much money he's making, they feel insulted by that.

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The Arizona Cardinals are three and twelve Austin.

They are a mess.

They started the year two and zero.

They've dropped seven straight.

They dropped twelve of thirteen.

They've allowed forty nine sacks this year.

Walter Nolan, who got a lot of play as a potential Bengals pick the draft, has injured his knee and I think he's done for the season.

He was the sixteen pickout of Old Miss.

They have one redeeming quality and that is their tight end, Trey McBride one hundred and nine catches, over one thousand yards and ten touchdowns.

It would I like to use the word behoove.

It would behoove the Bengals to cover Trey McBride on Sunday.

Big physical player, very fast, huge catch radius, all the things that a great tight end has.

I will say this, Bengals had a plan for Darren Waller on Sunday against the Dolphins.

Now Waller is not the player that he used to be, but you could tell they were trying to do something to take away the tight ends, which I know every Bengals fan has understandably griped about in recent years.

Really, I don't know the last twenty five years that they haven't been able to cover tight ends.

They had a decent plan for Darren Waller.

Trade McBride's gonna get his he does to everybody, as you outlined by those numbers.

But they also lost their best cornerback to a knee and I believe in Achilles injury he's now done for the season as well.

Yep.

So these guys are just kind of playing out the string.

I'm surprised.

I read this week that it's believed that Jonathan Gannon, their head coach, is gonna be safe.

Looks like they're gonna do a changing of the guard at quarterback with Kyler Murley Murray most likely out.

So they're just trying to figure out what they got, I guess, and I don't think they have much.

Think about that.

You've played Miami and Tua and they're gonna move on from Tua and it's gonna cost him a whole lot of money against the cap.

Now they turn to Arizona and they thought Kyler Murray was the answer and gave him a Brinx truck and they're gonna move on from him, And just the value of everything we've said tonight.

At least, and I don't mean the bottom line it this way, but at least they have a quarter not just a quarterback.

They've got a quarterback with Jamar Chase and with t Higgins.

If you watch any other games across the league, it's very clear.

It's very easy to see how good the Bengals have it.

I mean, there's five or six great quarterbacks in this league.

I would say there's three elite quarterbacks in the league.

Yep, we have one of them.

There is a significant drop off from Tier one to Tier two, an even bigger one from Tier two to Tier three.

And think how easy it could be this offseason if you accept it in theory, If I said, right now, all right, this offense, just carry it into twenty twenty six, you'd have a little bit of a conversation about Orlando Brown and in his aging.

But if I said, just take twenty this offense and moving it and just work on your defense.

That's that's a conversation you could have of just work on the defense this offseason.

Use your money as your draft on your defense.

Yeah, Like it really is that simple.

You just summed it up, all right, your Ohio State Buckeyes.

Let me I'll do it in like a Sunday morning tweet form on a scale of one to ten.

How competent are you in your Ohio State buck eyes?

Seven and a half?

Ooh, seven and a half?

Right?

And the big reason why I am struggling with that is because of the front seven of Miami Hurricanes.

I mean they are They've got some dudes up there.

Yes, they got all after the quarterback for Texas A and m They've got Reuben Bain, who is a guy that has already been mocked to the Cincinnati Bengals in those early mock drafts as a great edge rusher.

And the only time Ohio State has faced a really, really good defensive front this year was two weeks ago against the Indian and they got dominated up front the Ohio State offensive line.

Couple that with the idea that Ryan Day is back to calling the plays with Ryan hartline one foot out the door to go to USF.

There's understandably some pause there because Ryan Day is not necessarily the best play caller on planet Earth.

Really good coach, not necessarily the best play calling.

If I.

Ask you to take Ohio State out of the equation and pick one remaining team to play a sizeable amount of money on to win it all, which team would that be?

Georgia?

I was gonna say, Georgia.

I think I'd be with you.

There was a point earlier this season.

I don't remember exactly when it was, but I was watching Georgia and I thought, damn it, they're good again, Like they figured it out.

They started kind of slow, and then they started really heating it up.

And I want to say, Georgia and Ohio State have the highest percentage of the College Football Playoff players that they actually recruited on.

Their That was a great List's ridiculous.

You know, when you think about what those two teams have done and the amount of money that they've spent.

Those teams have spent tons of money on their roster, mainly on retention, get the good players and then keep them on the roster.

But Kirby Smart's a heck of a coach.

I think Gunners Stockton is a good enough quarterback for the college football playoff.

They're really good.

Yeah.

I was struck by that list.

How many teams still in the playoffs?

Had so many had sixty percent plus transfers versus players there?

Yeah, all right, our time is up.

This was this was a load of fun went fast, flu Thank you for spending Uh, you spent your your morning at the station, you spent your evening here.

Thank you for doing that.

Have a merry Christmas to you, and uh, let's do it again one week from tonight.

I look forward to it.

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Merry Christmas to you and the family.

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