Hey, I'm Teresa and I'm Sarah.

Welcome to the Ship Show, a half ass true crime podcast.

My finger gun to tell talesa to go ahead and start recording popped this time, Yeah, which I know, great weird.

I mean it's only been two weeks.

Yeah, so I forgot how to do this.

I don't even know what life is right now.

So how was it going good?

We didn't have an episode last week because I had pneumonia and.

I spent so long I forgot you had the pneumonia.

I thought I was gonna die, and then we both forgot to pack a case to re release because, in my defense, I was on my literal deathbed.

Yeah.

Pleisa text me on my birthday, on her birthday saying it hurts to breathe and I have a fever, and.

I'm like, yes, you fucking idiot, go to urgent gear.

I was like, I can't breathe and I hook motrin and my temperatures one hundred and three.

What am I gonna?

What do I do?

You're like, go see a doctor, like, go hit drugs.

Yeah, I yeah, because I was sick the week before and then you decided to like just one up my Sack.

So it's been.

I mean, so that was a while ago, long enough that Sarah forgot that I almost died.

Yeah, in our year.

I am very tired today.

So I went to two concerts this feke went to Low Wayne on Friday and then Willie Nelson last night.

Wildly different vibe.

I was gonna say, that is a wild wild the different the drastic difference between the two types of music.

But I also enjoy both.

I mean, I'll never turn on a concert so well.

So Captain sent me the TikTok of the Little Wayne concert that you were at, and I'm like, that looks absolutely fucking terrible.

We are two entirely different types of people place.

It's like there's a crowd, Okay, cool, I'm fine with that.

I'm totally finely, give me, give me a beer, let's shout sing.

And we were like off to one.

There's one spot at that venue that like everybody goes this way, like that's just where the crowd ends up being.

But you can see the full stage from where I was, and it was not very crowded.

It was totally fine.

It's still something terrible.

Yeah, what did I do anything this week?

Then I did we had dinner?

I think Saturday.

I textas Roadhouse.

It was very good, excellent.

Every time we go there, I like, I don't know why I order a meal.

I literally can take one bite of my meal by the time it comes out after like rolls and appetizers.

Yeah, but I I should not have ordered food.

Yeah.

I haven't been there in like eight years.

Anita got my gift card for my birthday, so it's like, we're kid free, let's go.

I'll do it.

Yeah.

Their margurados are good too, so but yeah, I don't know.

I honestly, the last two weeks have been like such a blur that I can't even like, just like my childhood, I can't remember up in the.

Last two weeks, you know what.

That's fair.

So that's where I'm at.

Yeah, so it's your turn to tell me a case.

I'm going to tell you a case.

I'm very excited.

I tease Sarah a little tiny bit.

Do we want to do socials first?

Oh?

We do?

Just kidding?

So you before we let me just reword my face?

What reword your face?

I got today?

I said, I don't even remember what I was trying to say, But I as soon as it left my mouth.

I'm like, that was entirely backwards.

And then I just cackled for like five minutes straight because I'm like, what what is my brain right now?

I did try a cut water yesterday?

Oh yeah, did you die?

I didn't die?

Okay, don't understand the hype.

My TikTok is all people that are like I had two cut waters and blacked out.

No, I had two and I did not.

I had a cut water a couple of years ago at an airport because I didn't know what it was.

That's the best place to have one, no like, and I had to drink it kind of quickly.

Well I took So I went to go Grand Vodka the other day and I saw him there and it was like the my taie ones and I'm like, oh, that sounds kind of good and let's give that a go.

So then I walk up to the counter and I ask the lady.

I'm like, oh, have you ever had these?

And like before I could even finished my send it, she's like, oh my god, they're so good.

I'm like, oh, hey, cool, cool, cool, that's thank you, thank you, thank you so much.

You hurt my feelings with not iding me, but it's another thing.

But yeah, so then we forgot about them.

So I tried it yesterday and.

It was fine.

I mean they were good.

They were good.

They were you could definitely taste the alcohol in them.

But it wasn't like, again, either I'm an alcoholic or it just isn't as bad as people are saying.

Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, I mean they were It was fine.

It was fine.

It was nothing special I was.

I Also, I am on that side of TikTok where everybody's like, oh I did this and I blocked out and now I look at my face or whatever, and I'm like, I don't understand.

I was gonna say, maybe it's because we grew up with four logos, but I doubt you did.

Yeah.

I don't think I've ever had a four loco.

Honestly, we are completely opposite human beings.

We're so much We're like the same but also opposite.

Yeah.

No, I definitely have never had one.

And I may have thought that they were just an energy drink for the longest time.

Well that's not true.

I found that out as an adult.

It's still have yet to have one.

Anyways.

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And I almost out of my birthday liking comment on Spotify and obviously chairs with your friends.

Oh that's another reason we didn't record last Monday is because oh it was my birthday.

I forgot my birthday.

That also feels like it did not happen at the time.

It does feel like it didn't happen all right.

Well anyway, so I tease Sarah and I was like, hey, I am working through a case.

I feel like it's cheating though whenever I do something that's like super well known.

Yeah, but I said, it's a cult, and it's a heavy hitter cult, and I did feel like it was cheating to not be doing like lesser known thing.

I'm going to cover Heaven's Gate today.

Okay, it was like Heaven's Skate or wait, go, like for some reason, what are you doing both?

Maybe I will eventually.

I don't know how I feel about I don't know.

The thing is though, like I know, like the base things about most of the bigger cults or whatever, I've never really looked into Heaven's Gate, like.

I haven't either, And honestly, I try really hard to avoid any cult cases because you're afraid you're gonna get sucked into it.

No, because I want you to tell me all of them cool, because if I'm just so fascinated on how like that, like people can so easily be pulled into something like yeah, my thing, like with this one in particular, like I don't understand.

I don't I fully I can, I don't understand.

I don't get it, and I like, okay, so full disclosure, this is not gonna be like a deep dive of three hour episode.

I'm probably leaving stuff out right, I mean, because I mean, especially with the like more known ones, like there, it's gonna be There's always going to be something that like you could have gone down this changing, could have gone down this one.

Like there's always gonna be like the.

I might leave your favorite part of this out and I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to deal with it.

You the random listener I'm talking to me, I was like.

I have it was your favorite parts of it and trying to understand how people do this?

Okay.

So Marshall apple White was born in nineteen thirty one in Texas and by most accounts, had a pretty normal life, like nothing crazy.

His father was a Presbyterian minister and also a former soldier.

Where was his mom?

What did his mom do?

She?

We don't know, buddy, homemakers.

She was not spoken of a woman.

In the thirties, he was known for his musical talents and once attempted to become an actor.

That didn't pan out, and he pursued more music focused careers at universities like just teaching whatever.

In nineteen seventy, he was.

Allegedly fired from his job as a music professor at Houston's University of Saint Thomas because he was having a relationship with one of his male students, which is inappropriate and frowned upon in the seventies.

Yes, the male part of it, not the student part of it.

That's I was just going to say, wait, that's hopefully still still frown.

So in this time, like he was married and divorced.

Also that wife name, I didn't find it.

I mean, did I look hard for it?

Now it's I It was kind of unclear if they got divorced because of him getting fired and having a relationship with a male students.

Also said that he might have had like a nervous breakdown and he just had a struggle.

Okay, So a couple of years later he met Bonnie Nettles.

She was a nurse with a super strong interest in the Bible as long as a few other obscure spiritual beliefs.

She was born in nineteen twenty seven and was raised in Houston, Texas.

Her family was like Baptist.

They as an adult, she moved kind of away from the religion that she grew up with.

After after she became a registered nurse, she married a man named Joseph Joseph Siegel Nettles.

Joseph Siegull Nettles, I was trying to really like focus on seagull.

They were married in December of nineteen forty nine, and they had four kids.

They were marriage was.

Mostly stable until nineteen seventy two because at this time she began attempting to contact decease spirits by conducting sciences and came to believe that a nineteenth century monk named Brother Francis frequently spoke with her and gave her like instructions on how to.

Live her life.

Maybe we should have done video today because my face I can tell us doing something.

She also visited you know, fortune tellers, who told her that she was soon to meet a mysterious man who was tall, with light hair and a fair complexion.

These descriptions were fairly close to Marshall Applewhite.

Okay, well, I mean when you're making up whatever you want to make up, you can fit whatever narrative you would like.

Listen, Brother Francis, the monk.

What do monks go by?

Do they go by?

I think brother sounds right?

It sounds more catholic to me, actually, you know what, it sounds just it because of father.

I am more questions about Brother Francis, So I hope that there's more information.

No, that's that's about Brother Franciskay.

So she made up this person.

She did sciences, she was being spiritually visited by Brother Francis.

You know, you know all that stuff that happens normally.

Okay.

While the true story of how Applewhite met Nettles it is kind of murky.

Marshall's sister maintains that he went to the Houston hospital with heart trouble and that Bonnie was one of the nurses that treated him.

Bonnie convinced Applewhite that he had a purpose and that God had saved him for a reason.

Marshall Applewhite would say that he was just visiting a friend in the hospital when he met Bonnie, so like, doesn't anybody know they's got heart problems?

Maybe.

No matter how they met, though, one thing was clear, they felt an instant connection and begin to discuss their beliefs.

Like immediately was the connection crazy?

It sounds like maybe Brother Francis brought them together.

I don't know.

Marshall Applewhite would later say that he felt that he had known Bonnie for a long time, and he concluded that they had met in.

A past life.

Su sure, so they had this instantaneous connection and apple White decided that Nettles was going to be the sage, to be the sage, and he the speaker, Like I don't know if that's like he's she's my muse.

So he's like the face of the.

Campaign basically like the talking yeah, and she's like the background person who was telling the talking head what to do and say.

Yeah kind of, I guess.

So they skidaddled together okay at the beginning of nineteen seventy three.

Okay.

So she that she divorced before or after a meeting.

I am not sure if she divorced.

Oh okay.

I think she was like, I will see you never goodbye, peace out, have fun with the four children.

Bye.

So her three youngest children were left with their father and the oldest daughter, her name was Terry.

She was twenty okay, so she was just I don't on her own yet.

Okay.

So Marshall and Bonnie were convinced that they were the two witnesses described in the Christian Book of Revelation, and they would prepare the way for the Kingdom of Heaven.

That is a quite bold I wrote underneath.

How do you even come to that conclusion?

What is that conversation, like, I mean, if brother Frank says it, Frederick Francis Francis, I mean, if we're making.

Of names, it can be whatever you want.

Yeah, brother f said, I mean maybe manifestation.

They're manifesting that they are those people.

Yeah, okay.

So Bonnie told Marshall that the meeting had been foretold by to her by extraterrestrials, and she like persuaded him that he had a divine assignment to so prepare the way for the Kingdom of heaven.

We have a dead monk talking to us.

Yes, we have aliens talking to us.

Anybody else yet I don't think so, just that there's a following the Bible though, because we're still going hey, based off revelation she can We're just we're fusing everything together, you know what.

I might believe this more than anything else, honestly.

Okay.

So they ran off at the beginning of nineteen seventy three June.

Marshall and Bonnie's beliefs were like, we figured it out.

We know what we're doing.

They concluded that they had been chosen to fulfill biblical prophecies and given higher level minds than other people.

They wrote a pamphlet that described Jesus's reincarnation.

As a Texan, which the description was like a vague reference to Marshall apple White.

That was probably a super gross ound.

I'm sorry, Okay.

The pair visited churches in spiritual groups to speak about their identities and often responded or referred to themselves as.

The Two or the UFO two because the aliens regular churches allowed this.

I don't know if it was like groups study, you know, like offshoot groups or yeah.

I mean, they weren't going to Sunday School and saying all this, but okay, so they believed that they would be killed and then resurrected and, in the view of others, transported onto a spaceship.

This event, which they referred to as the demonstration, was to prove, like their claims like this for sure was going to happen.

It's really shocking, but these ideas were really poorly received by other religious groups.

Weird.

I wonder, why do we know what type of drugs were happening.

I mean, it is it's the seventies, so there are drugs happened.

Some drugs.

I mean, I feel like you'd have to write I mean two thinks that you were the chosen two of you a Folian, Yeah, did we do?

We know how many can fit on this spaceship that they're leading people to.

We will find out more about I mean no, there's no, there's not really a number.

Okay, Okay, marsh on their parts, well, yeah, you got to leave it like vague.

Yeah, you don't want to put a cap on it because more people want to follow you, like you don't want to cap off people who want to follow you, right, yeah, Okay, So Marshall and Bonnie began calling themselves bow and peep, him and her in dow and te No.

I think all of it.

They immediately know all of Sometimes they went by Winnie and pooh, shut the fuck up.

They shared a platonic sexless partnership.

Well that's because he's gay.

This whole thing is just because Marshall Apploy is gay in the seventies.

Yeah, and this was okay, So, like the platonic sexless relationship was really the life that they would encourage like their followers to.

Okay, because if I can't, then you can't, yeah, because that's not fun for me.

Right, So if I can't have any enjoyment neither can you know?

This is why I couldn't be in a cult.

Right.

So once they really like they put their beliefs together, they went out to a couple of churches.

The church people were like, exactly how I expected.

Yeah, yeah, no, think whatever.

They were like, you know what, we need pamphlets, presentations like we're we're rolling with this because we're right and or wrong.

Okay, Jesus is coming back, as I can some text him duh, but I don't know.

I had added the handsom burden, but I'm assume that's the way he talked about himself.

I have no clue what he looks like.

I do have a clue, but you know what I mean, Like, I don't like.

He's got the biggest creepiest culty eyes ever.

You have to have seen a picture.

I for sure have.

I'm just like, off the top of my head, I can't like exactly.

So they prepared presentations for potential followers all over the country.

They would distribute.

Posters, and the posters promoted a mixture of like conspiracy theories, science fiction, and UFOs, which I guess follows under science fiction.

Did we depict Brother Monk Frank, I think we're done with brother.

Sorry, brother Frank, he started this whole thing.

These invitations too, or posters, I think they're so.

These posters were pretty eye catching.

The word UFO was in big letters on the top, but there was a disclaimer at the bottom that said, quote not a discussion of UFO sightings or phenomena.

We are going to board a large ship when all of this is over, but we do not talk about you possibly seeing one.

Right, So the posters usually claimed quote two individuals say they were sent from the level above human and will return to that level in a spaceship UFO within the next few months.

We are putting a cap.

Well, I mean yet, I feel like with col sets always the downfall is when they start.

Putting like a timeline on and like, oh, this is gonna happen.

We're all going to go meet Jesus on this day and time, and then that happened or comes and then it's going to be Jesus cowboy boots spurs.

Okay, I'm going to say this and we're not going to laugh, because I think it's just the dumbest thing ever.

The term ancient astronauts, the term ancient astronauts is used to refer to various forms of the concept that extraterrestrials visited Earth in the distant past.

So Marshall and Bonnie took part of this concept and taught it as the belief that aliens planted the seed of current humanity millions of years ago and have come to reap the harvest of their work in the form of in the form of spiritually evolved individuals who will join the ranks of flying saucer crews.

Okay, so, okay, Only a select few members of humanity will be chosen to advance to this transhuman state.

The rest will be left to just like wallow in the misery.

Yeah, only individuals who joined Heaven's Gate and followed Marshall, Appleoy and Bonnie Noddles belief system and make the sacrifices required by the membership would be allowed to escape the human suffering.

Okay, how much does that all track?

How much does this membership cost?

How many tickets to join this ride?

How many?

How many mundane.

Tasks do I have to complete for you so that I can be in your cult?

Well we'll get into one one thing, which I think is pretty drastic Okay.

So Heaven's Gate interpreted the Bible as recordings of events of extraterrestrial contact.

The Bible tells the story of the aliens in the Ancient Astronauts.

Okay, Okay.

Every time you say ancient astronauts, all I can think of is the one scientist off of ancient aliens.

It's think of.

Okay.

So they believed that evil space aliens or Luciferians falsely represented themselves to earthlings as God and conspired to keep humans from developing.

Okay, so they are the ones that fed Eve.

Yeah, if we're just spacing it off of alien interactions, yes, so, as you know, technically advanced humanoids.

These aliens have spacecrafts, they can space time travel, telepathy.

Blah blah blah.

They have all the things, and their evil, the evil space aliens, they do not the good ones.

Okay.

So we have evil and good aliens naturally.

Yeah, follows the tracts.

Okay.

The two would gain their first follower in May of nineteen seventy four.

Her name was Sharon Morgan.

She abandoned her children and family to join them.

Sharon, what kind of mental illness did you have?

I'm sorry that but it's true.

I mean.

A month later she left the okay, the two and we'd go back to her family.

She was like, hey, actually, but what did they get, Like what did they say to her to like get her to be like all the things?

I just said, Hi, you have to be with us so that the aliens when they come to reap what they have grown, take you to the good spaceship and not the bad spaceship because the evil aliens are trying to make it so you can't be the next level human above human.

Oh, I don't understand what you're not understanding.

That just sounds crazy to me.

Okay, maybe I'm more stable than I thought.

Nettles and Appleway were actually arrested and charged with credit card fraud for using Sharon Morgan's cards, although she said that she consented to their use, so the charges were drip.

Oh okay.

A routine check revealed that Marshall apple White had stolen a rental car from Saint Louis like nine months earlier, and he still had it in his possession, so he spent six months in jail in Missouri and was released in early nineteen seventy five, rejoining Bonnie Nettles.

Okay, imagine him in jail, just like fucking ranting honestly about the aliens.

You would never be bored okay listening to him.

Okay.

In nineteen seventy five, after he gets out of jail and all that stuff, the two received some national attention after they gave a particularly successful presentation in Oregon.

In this presentation, they promoted Heaven's Gate, but at that time they called it human individual metamorphosis or total overcomers Anonymous.

Okay, that one may have gotten me.

How do I overcome the total overcomers?

Anonymous?

That sounds like what are it's somebody who comes to me.

When I read that and type it, I was like, I'm gonna laugh at that.

For sure, they really needed somebody in their corner to help brainstorm better.

I wish that they stayed with total overcocomers Anonymous.

I mean honestly, and yeah, that's when they got so.

It is so at this presentation they you know, the promise of the spaceship that would whisk their followers way to salvation.

Also said that before you could be a follower, or in order to be a follower, you had to, you know, renounce sex, drugs, and all of your earthly possessions.

So we weren't doing drugs, no, I don't think.

So who are we giving our worldly possessions to?

I think you just leave them at your home.

I think you just leave them at your home and then you go away.

In most cases, they also need to abandon their families because because those are worldly.

Well, I mean, you can't have a relationship.

Okay, But but if you bring your family into it, can you keep them?

Then?

I for some reason, this doesn't strike me as like a the whole family is gonna want to join.

I mean no, but I'm just saying like they're definitely somebody.

Who like imagine if Kenton was like, Hey, we're going to join this group and we're no longer allowed to have sex, but don't worry, the aliens are gonna.

Come save us.

Well, they can save me from having sex when it's happening, but until then, I'm not doing that.

Okay, So only after you do all that, join the group, get rid of your family, sex, drugs, all of the fun stuff, then you could be elevated to a new world and a better life known as or at the evolutionary level above human telh No, like if you're gonna make up some bullshit like make it interesting.

I mean they are, is it?

The aliens are coming?

Okay?

Okay.

So they started publishing advertisements for meetings where they recruited disciples and they called them the Crew.

Okay.

At these get togethers, they purported to represent beings from another planet, the next level, which the next level sounds like in MLM.

It really deem honestly it does.

That's why I wondered how much the membership cat So they were seeking participants for an experiment is like kind of what they Okay, they said those who agreed to participate in the experiment would be brought to the higher evolutionary level.

Okay, yeah, okay.

According to Heaven's Gate, once the individual has perfected himself through the process, there were four methods to enter or graduate to the next level.

Okay.

Number one a physical pickup onto a tele spacecraft and transfer to a next level body aboard that craft.

Okay, I would like a next level body, thank you?

Can that one not be broke in this version?

So there's I mean, there's obviously lots of people who have studied the shit out of this, right yeah, so this guy.

Professor Zeller said that this would be like a UFO version of the Rapture where an alien spacecraft would descend on Earth and collect Yeah, Marshall, Bonnie and their followers and their human bodies would be transformed through like a biological or chemical process to perfected beings whatever that, okay looks like.

So we're putting like a remix on revelation right now.

But yeah, Number two a natural death, accidental death, or a death from random violence.

Here the graduating soul leaves the human container for a perfected next level body container.

Okay.

So basically, any death, it doesn't matter how you die, you are brought to your next level.

Number Three, outside persecution that leads to death.

After the deaths of.

The Branch Davidians in Waco and the events involving like Ruby Ridge, which I will cover it, Okay, Marshall was afraid that the American government would murder the members of Heaven's Cape.

So if the government murders you, then you get right next level body?

Do love that are her?

What did you call the three the four ways?

What would you call them?

Like?

How like?

How to that we just already factored graduate to the next level.

I just like, how do we already factored it in the United States government?

And two those things?

He's like, you know what one and two?

But again repetitive, it's.

Alien, it's aliens, random death, death by government, or number four, a willful exit from the body in a dignified manner.

So near the end, Marshall had a revelation that they might have to abandon their human bodies to achieve the next level, as like, just like Jesus had done.

Jesus didn't technically have a choice in that, but okay.

Well, so animals were said to have souls in this scenario, and a soul in an animal could enter the next level a human soul if it became a servant to humans, like a.

Guide dog or something.

It's like, your dog can go with the aliens too, as long as it's like a member of your family, which doesn't make sense because you're not supposed to have a family with you and you're not supposed to have any human like relationships.

Yeah, it does seem that we have a few contradictory things happening, yes, but I mean, who's to question there are aliens.

In April of nineteen seventy five, during a meeting with a group of about eighty people in Los Angeles, they shared their revelation that they were the two witnesses of Vantim.

While accounts of the meeting differ, I'll describe it as like momentous and that the two were very charismatic leaders with an important message, and they actually got about twenty five people to join their group.

It's wild today.

So in September of nineteen seventy five, I have a Marshall and Bonnie preached at a motel hall in Waldport, Oregon, and then after selling all worldly possessions and saying goodbye to all their loved ones, about twenty people vanished.

From the public eye and joined the group Jesus.

Later that year, on the CBS Evening News, Walter Cronkite reported on the disappearances in one of the first national reports on this religious group.

That was missed up.

He said, quote, a score of persons from a small Oregon town have disappeared.

It's a mystery whether they've been taken on a so called trip to eternity or simply have been taken Okay, I mean again, they are all adults choosing to do or believe and follow what they would like, I just do.

I think they were correct.

No, Okay, in reality, Marshall and Bonnie had arranged for the group to go underground.

There's like, we're worried about the government.

We're worried about this.

The news is now word that all these people are missing.

We are drawing too much attention to ourselves at this Also at this point, they were like, really going by Dough and t.

I hate it.

Who is who?

I think Marshall is Dough and Bonnie is Tea.

This is the worst, Like, and I'm somebody who comes up with nicknames for literally everything.

Those are the worst.

So it's said that they had nearly one hundred members across the country.

These people were sleeping in tents and begging in the streets because they gave up all their worldly possessions.

But they're trying to be the perfect right being to be taken in the alien rapture.

So, like we told everybody, they have to do these things to get the next steps, So we didn't really give them any guidance on how to get to those next steps.

I just kind of have to die be murdered by the government.

Other than dying.

Okay, so trying to become the higher evolutionary level above human dough and t claimed that they had already done that without being their containers.

Apple White believed he was directly related to Jesus, meaning he was an evolutionary kingdom level above human for sure.

His writings combined aspects of the Book of Revelation, the Doomsday stuff, some spiritual you know, brother Francis stuff, science fiction, and suggested that he believed himself to be Jesus's successor in the present representative of Christ on Earth.

Amen.

No, they taught that apple White's body with bodily vehicle was inhabited by the same alien spirit that belonged to Jesus, and Bonnie was God the Father and apple White's older member.

Okay, very bold, not surprising.

Uh, imagine my camp one day and me like, you know what today's day, I'm tell him I'm Jesus.

Like, no, it's not even that I'm Jesus, It's that my body is inhabited by the same alien spirit that belonged to Jesus.

Yeah, can you please or be not sure?

Oh?

And also this platonic lady, she's my God.

She's got the Father, and we got all of this from brother Frank Francis.

Right.

No, well, I mean I don't think brother Francis is really listen.

I'm still telling everything to Brother Francis because he started us.

He got the ball rolling for tea and toe and Doe and tea, the same thing in Winnie and Pooh.

The crew used various recruitment methods as they toured around the United States.

Literally, like I wrote in Destitution, like they were nothing.

Yeah, they claimed, proclaiming the gospel of the higher level metamorphosis in the deceit of humans by.

False God spirits.

Okay, okay.

In April of nineteen seventy six, the group stopped recruiting and became even more reclusive, and they instituted some really rigid behavioral guidelines.

They had already band sex obviously obviously.

They were to have no human level relationships, no socializing at all, no use of drugs, absolutely like no, like what does no human level relationships mean?

Like?

And no socializing like you just can't speak to anybody.

Not even a hey, how's your day?

Like, oh, so we're going back to being a monk where.

You just have to be mule, right, you are literally tying everything.

And I mean not all amongst our you, obviously, but I know that a lot of them like do take a vow of yeah, silence whatever, and celibacy.

Yeah.

So I mean I'm not crazy for trying them back to You're not.

I mean, you're the least crazy perspective right now.

The followers were expected to dress largely alike and conform to some really specific rules about the most mundane things, like literally, I read a thing about how like if I make pancakes, it needs to be done exactly this way, this size, cook for this long, no deviation, or you were not going to make it to the next level.

Like I have too much anxiety for that.

I have too much.

Don't fucking tell me what to do for right, like like I am purposely leaving a sun for five extra seconds now.

And also I like my pancakes too.

You're not allowed to.

This is the perfect pancake for you to be a perfect being, for you to get a next level body, wait, which you need smaller pancakes out I can get I can eat pancakes and have a next level body.

Though the alternative religious experience in this really helped grow the group, Sheilaism is a word that I did not make up but had to look up.

Okay, is a way for people to combine diverse religious backgrounds and agree on a more generalized faith.

And I guess this was more appealing to people at the time than a more traditional religion.

Okay, I just think that's fine, right, we can do that.

Yeah, sounds great.

When you start.

Adding alien rapture is I think that's where I fall off, Like.

Well, the and the.

When any religion is getting so strict to the point of you have to cook your pancakes this is exact way, or you cannot advance.

That should be a huge red flag to.

People like no, this he's made it how long in this episode without even saying red flag?

This list whole things of red flo That's probably why we haven't.

But the first red flag was Brother Francis.

Yes, yeah, I just there's a lot of red flags.

Yeah.

So many of the crew came from some you know, diverse backgrounds.

Most of them were described by researchers as having been longtime truth seekers or like spiritual hippies who had been like trying to find themselves through other spiritual means that weren't yeah, liketional, like I especially how heavily like religion is and was even that, Like I feel like it was more heavily involved back then than it maybe what it is now.

Of course that I'm not in a religious I have zero religious aspects of my life now that I'm an adult.

But like, just like back then, I just seemed like everybody ever already had their home church and everybody, you know what I mean.

Like it just seemed like that was part of a daily life for everybody.

So then when you're growing up in whatever religion you are, then you do tend to want to like Ran John and be like, oh is there something different?

Is there something more?

So I understand the like curiosity and wanting to learn and know more.

Tell me how to make my fucking pancakes.

That's where you lose Sarah.

You lose me at the aliens.

You lose Sarah at the don't boss me around.

Okay, the alien part is just pure fascination to me.

Okay, well there's literally the next part.

So Michael Conyers was in earlier recruit and he said that the cult's message was appealing because they were quote talking to my Christian heritage.

But in a modern updated way.

Yeah.

For example, Heaven's Gate apparently taught that the Virgin Mary was impregnated after she was taken up in a spacecraft, not just like just didn't just turn.

Up, had to.

Yeah, God put a Jesus Fetu center.

So okay in that aspect, like that's what how it was appealing, Like there were answering questions the people had with aliens.

Yeah, are there aliens?

Who knows?

There was one early recruit named John Craig that was a respected Republican ranch owner who came really close to winning the nineteen seventy Colorado House of Representative race.

He joined the group in nineteen seventy five, so he homeboy.

Just like straight up fell off after He's like, I didn't win this race.

I'm just going ball alien.

Yeah.

Identifying itself by its business name Higher Source, the group used its website to spread the word and recruit followers beginning in the early nineties.

Rumors started spreading among the group in the following years that this upcoming comment, that Haley Bop comment housed the secret to their ultimate salvation and ascension to the Kingdom of Heaven.

So now we've got this comment coming.

They're like, that's got our spaceship in it.

Now, now we have a time Yeah, logic, you're logic.

I just said that way my next line.

One of the cult's major problems was it's now operating on a clock.

If you're going to start a cold, don't don't put a time limit, right.

Followers believe that if they stayed on Earth long enough, they would face recycling, which is the destruction of Earth, as the planet was to be wiped clean.

Now, like our beliefs are evolving into more it's not just you'll stay here in this mundane shithole Earth.

Everything is going to be wiped out and keen and recycled.

Okay, So Bonnie and Marshall, we're convinced that it wouldn't come to that, Like they were like, this is what But the spaceship is going to come before that and take us and it's not going to be a problem.

We're all great, perfect next level bodies.

Yes, you got to continue.

You get an next level body, you get a next level body, you get a next level body.

Just hang tight.

Unfortunately, though, their plans got ruined when Bonnie Nettles died from cancer in nineteen eighty.

Her death was a severe blow to Marshall, not only emotionally but just philosophically, Like this whole thing, his god died, the god.

The Father, Yeah died.

Yeah but no, okay, but yeah, she graduated, she didn't die.

Annie Nettle's death had the potential to call into question a number of the cult's teachings.

Girls, girl, like, why would she die before the beings came to pick the followers up.

She's gonna hurry up and get up there and help prepare everything before everybody else comes and join.

It's like she's going up there early to make sure everything's in line for you.

See, I could run my uncle.

Sara's so proud of herself, and I'm like, do I even have to say the next So it was with this that Marshall began to rely very heavily on the one one particular tenet of the cults beliefs that the human bodies were just vessels or vehicles that were carrying them on their journey, and these vehicles could be abandoned when humans were ready to ascend to the next level.

Yeah, okay, So Marshall believed that Bonnie had simply exited her vehicle and entered her new home with the UFO beings.

Yeah, she went up to be me up base Jesus.

Yes, I don't know.

I haven't made that joke, sinner.

I don't know how either, Oh I didn't, but anything like they also mixed like some star Trek stuff, and I wonder that when you said.

Science fiction, I'm like, that's what the science for shure.

I didn't like dig deep into that because I don't know anything about star treks.

Imagine like you're one of the writers at that show and then you find out like this crazy colt was like based off your TV shows, right, you literally just made up to entertain people.

Like all that took a.

Turn, Okay, So he believed Bonnie exited her vehicle, went to her new home.

She's with the ancient astronauts.

He believed that he still had work to do on Earth and would guide their followers in the hopes that they would be be reunited with Bonnie again.

Which also like it seems it feels.

To me like Marshall and Bonnie had a relationship relationship which is not allowed.

Correct, But you do what I say now what I do, right, See, this is why I couldn't be in a cult.

I'd be like, hey, motherfucker, what are you talking now?

I know you're fucking necking out back like okay.

So it's unclear exactly when, but eight men in the group, including Marshall Applewhite, voluntarily underwent castration as an extreme means of maintaining the lifestyle of no boners like chemical no.

The group initially attempted castration by having one of its members, who is a former nurse, perform the castration, but this resulted in I believe the patient's death and caused at least one member to leave Heaven's gape.

Every castration that followed that was done in the hospital, Like they went to Mexico.

Good all Mexico.

They're like, oh, you can't get that done in the United States.

But it's fucking wild.

Okay, sure, sure, I don't.

I can't.

I mean when you hate boners that much.

Also, why are we like somebody litter a nurse like no zero shaped nurses Like I know that they like carry the medical field, like, but I am trusting them to like do surgery on me either.

I barely trust a doctor to do that right as I am hoping to have surgery.

So okay, I don't like any of that.

It makes me uncomfy and I'm not even a man.

In June of nineteen ninety five, they purchased land near Manzano, New Mexico, and began creating a compound out of rubber, tires and concrete.

But are we affording any of this if we are.

Well, they're doing stuff online websites.

Oh that's why you said whatnot?

Yeah, they left this project abruptly in April of nineteen ninety six.

If they were smart, they would have been like, you have to give up and sell all of your worldly beings or belongings, but you have to give that money back to the church.

So that, like I'm wondering if that is part of it, Like that would make the most culty sense.

Yeah, but I think they largely were making money off from whatever whatever website things.

In October of nineteen eighty six, the group rented a large house, which they called the Monastery, was nine two hundred square feet all in Santa Fe, California.

They paid seven thousand dollars per month in cash for this.

In the nineties, Yeah, I didn't a fuck ton of money.

We're just gonna it's just a fucked money.

Yeah.

In the same month, the group purchased alien abduction insurance that would cover up to fifty members and would pay out one million dollars per person.

The policy covered abduction impregnation.

Where the fuck is this?

What?

Insurance company?

Death by aliens?

In an article from nineteen ninety seven, the brokerage said that it insured four thousand people against abduction by aliens, but quote, there has never been a genuine claim for alien abduction.

I okay, So I read that on like the Wikipedia page, like when I'm peruising through it right, and then I'm like, hold, hope, pump the brakes.

What the fuck?

So I had to go do a whole separate Google just for this.

I found the article and it was like a legitimate can we still get alien abduction?

Also?

Why are we getting insurance to pertect us from what we want to happen with the evil space aliens?

Oh that's right, okay, yep, I forgot there's good and bad evil.

Okay, Oh, never mind a retracted question.

I just love that there was a quote that was like, I I'm sorry, I got to google this right now to see if I can get alien abduction insurance.

In short, yes, you technically can purchase alien abduction insurance and New York, but there are some important considerations.

What are the.

Legality the legality of alien aduction abduction insurances that's specifically addressed or prohibited under New York insurance.

Availability their payouts.

So yeah, you could, I guess you can.

Still you can still get that wild and fascinating.

So they settled in the San Diego area in nineteen ninety six and support themselves by creating websites.

They had their own website.

Their website is still there today right now.

Yeah, but they like.

Built websites for people.

That's okay making their money.

And on March thirteenth, thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, at around seven fifty five PM, a witness in the Henderson, Nevada area reported seeing a large V shaped object traveling southeast in the sky.

At eight fifteen, unidentified former police officer in Arizona reported seeing a cluster of reddish orange lights disappear over the southern horizon.

Shortly afterwards, there were reports of lights seen over Prescott Valley, Arizona.

So this family, Tim Lay, his wife Bobby, his son Hal and his grandson Damien, first saw the lights when they were about like sixty five miles away from them, and they were like, what the fuck is that?

At first, the lights appeared to them as five separate and distinct lights in an arc shape, like they were on top of a balloon.

They soon came to realize that the lights appeared to be moving towards them, and over the next ten minutes or so, the lights appeared to come closer.

The distance between the lights increased, and they took more of a shape of an upside down feet Eventually the lights Nope.

Eventually, when the lights appeared to be a couple of miles away, the family said they could make out a shape like a sixty degree Carpenter square triangle.

I don't know, that's what they said.

It was just tried.

So with five lights set onto it, one at the front and two on each side.

Okay, the object appeared to be moving towards them, about one hundred to one hundred and fifty feet above them, and traveling so slowly it gave the appearance of like a silent hovering object and then just like skidaddled okay, towards the direction of the Phoenix Sky Herbert International Airport.

So they were just landing for the day.

Yeah, they were tired.

So even the actor Kurt Russell, he was an amateur pilot, he called into air traffic control because he saw it too.

No shit, Yeah, that's a weird coincidence or connection.

Met About ten o'clock that evening, a large number of people in the Phoenix area reported seeing a row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky and then.

Like slowly looked like they were slowly falling.

A number of photographs were taken, and this prompted this author named Robert Schaeffer to describe it as perhaps the most widely witnessed UFO event in history.

This became known as the Phoenix Phoenix Light Incident of nineteen ninety seven.

And it was actually just the government.

I was gonna say it was.

Operation Snowbird was a pilot training program operated in the winter by the Air National Guard out of Davis monthan Air Force base in Tuscan, Arizona.

Okay, I mean, and people were like, that's.

A fucking spaceship, right, I mean, that's why I would I mean, yeah, especially like when like now it's a lot easier to like debunk things like that.

But like back then where you have limited information and access to certain information, then yeah, it's going to be like, holy fuck, is this an alien right?

I wrote like what kind of planes it was or whatever?

It's really not that interesting, And they sorry that I offended myself by saying that that is offensive.

So like this was going on, it's something that the cult was aware of, and they're like, that was not the government, that was right, it's it's happening like.

Covering it up the government.

See, the government is.

Covering up our ancient aliens astronauts, and they're covering up that they're going to try to kill us, which is a way to graduate, right, But like why would you think they would be running towards that, because you'd want to graduate into the next higher level than be stuck in this earthly container.

You said container earlier and it stuck in my head.

Sorry, I just think, like I think you're joining the cults?

Are you not?

Like I am one hundred percent just being really shitty about other people falling for this, which is I do.

I do feel bad for the people.

I hope it's not like misconstrued, but like I just I still cannot wrap my brain around how people are so easily, because it's even nowadays, people are still being like drawn into like the most crazy, off the wall shit, and I just want to know, like what was in their brain when that's happening, Like, how do you process that?

Clearly different than I would process it.

I was gonna say, I can't even begin to I have no idea.

Okay, So members of Heaven's Gate believed that suicide was wrong, but their definition of suicide was different than like the traditional you know definition or whatever.

They believe that the true meaning was turning against the next level when it was offered to them.

I mean, we're making up everything else, we might as well make up our own definitions for already very defined towards that word already has a definition.

And unfortunately, this offer to go to the next level was made in March of nineteen ninety seven.

It's not clear exactly where Marshall Applewaite got the idea that there was a UFO trailing behind the Haley Bop commet his brain, but he could not let it go.

Yeah, like that's where that's where the UFO is.

That's how I get back to Bonnie my not relationship right, my platonic, my situationship, Yes that you guys were not allowed to have, but I secretly was necking and.

The why are you saying necking?

I'm old.

During March nineteenth and twentieth, Marshall Applewhite taped himself in a video titled Doe's Final Exit speaking of mass suicide and quote the only way to evacuate this Earth after asserting the comment Haleybop was the sign that the group had been looking for, as well as the speculation that the unidentified flying object was trailing the comment and all of the light stuff that just happened.

He was like, it was a quick check in to see where they're going, right.

Marshall Appowoy and his thirty eight followers prepared for ritual suicide, coinciding with the closest approach of the comment, so their souls could reach the next level before the closure of Heaven's Gate.

Members believe that their deaths NOPE members believed that after their deaths, a UFO would take their souls to another level of existence above human, which was described as being both physical and spiritual.

Their preparations included most members videotaping a farewell message.

So the thirty nine followers was twenty one women and eighteen men between the ages of twenty six and seventy two.

Are believed to have died in three groups over three successive days, with their remaining participants cleaning up after the prior group's death.

That make sense, say who's cleaning up after Group number three?

No?

One.

The suicides began on March well went from March twenty second to the twenty third.

Members took phenobarbital mixed with apple sauce or pudding and washed it down with vodka.

After ingesting this, they put plastic bags around their heads so that they would exphyxiate.

All thirty nine were dressed in identical black shirts and sweatpants and brand new black and white Nike Decade Athletic shoes, armband patches that read Heaven's Skate Away Team.

I'll cut that.

So the Heavens Skate Away Team is one of the group's use of like that's a star trek thing.

I guess that sounds about right.

Each member carried a five dollar bill and three quarters in their pockets, and according to former members, this was standard for members leaving the home for jobs.

And a humorous way to tell, a humorous way to tell us they had left the planet permanently.

The five dollar bill was for covering the cost of vacrancy laws like if they got picked up for that, and the quarters were for calling home from payphones.

Okay, heaven we have they were making a joke.

I am too literal to understand that it was a joke.

Okay, right, sure, I mean, I guess if that's where we would like to throw in a joke poorly, it's a poor, poorly formulate, formulated one.

Another former member said that they thought that this was a reference to a Mark Twain story which said, since seventy five cents was the cost to ride the tail of a comment to heaven.

But there's like no passage from writings of Mark Twain that say that, oh that any I know we're making shut up, we must we don't make up whatever quote we want to as well.

I feel like you've said that like seven times before this episode.

Okay, So after a member died, a living member would arrange the body by removing the plastic bag from the person's head, posing the body so it laid like neatly in its bed with the face and torso covered by a square purple cloth for privacy.

Okay.

In a twenty twenty interview with Harry Robin, Well Harry Robinson, two members who were not like obviously not there.

When they were away a team, they were not on the way a team.

They said the identical clothing was a uniform representing unity for the mass suicide, and the Nike decades were chosen because the group got a.

Good deal on the shoes.

Just the fuck up.

I forgot about that part.

Oh my god.

They said that.

Marshall was also a fan of Nike and therefore everyone was expected to wear in like Nike's within the group, I mean Marshall item heavens Gate also had a saying just do it, echoing nike slogan, but they pronounced do as dough, So.

Just do it?

Shut the fuck all the way up?

What not?

Only is it like the disappointment on your face when I said that, sir, stop making dough.

Try to happen.

Appleoy was the third to last member to die.

Two people remained after him, and they were the only ones found with bags still over their heads and not having the purple cloths covering the the top pat.

I wondered what happened to or how the last group transitioned, since with that there was nobody there to do.

That for them.

I thought we were supposed to avoid alcohol, but all of a sudden, we can have alcohol for this beautiful ceremony of death with pairswell with pudding.

I literally almost threw up when you said apple sauce or pudding because as a child, that's helped my mom used to force me to take medicine because I couldn't do it.

Apparently I'm still scarred from that.

Apparently, before the last of the suicides, packages were sent to numerous Heaven's Gate like affiliated, formally affiliated, past members, individuals, whatever.

And I guess one media outlet had reached out to the group a little like, let's say, six months before and wanted to do like a little documentary like covering them, and Marshall was like, no, we're.

Busy, we are busy.

He sent he sent whoever that was, so one person who received him message was a member named Rio DiAngelo.

I don't know if that's his real name, to be honest, I feel like I read somewhere he changed his name in the when he was in the.

Group or something.

I don't know him for not wanting.

He was supposed to spread the word of the group's purpose, so he was not on the away team.

And I do think that he left the group after being involved for several years and was helping with the website stuff.

Okay.

The package that D'Angelo received on the evening of March TWI was very similar to other packages sent It contained two VHS tapes, one with Doe's final exit and the other with the farewell messages of the group's followers.

It also contained a letter stating that, among other things, quote, we have exited our vehicles just as we had entered, just as we entered them.

So Dangelo conducted his boss and was like, hey, this is happening, and he needed to ride the mansion, yeah, to like check in.

Yeah, Like hey guys, this this concerning Did you really do it?

Like and you left me behind?

Because I mean, if you're in ther you believe the beliefs of it, right, I don't know, Like I read that he might have left, That's how you said that, So I don't know, all right, So he found the back door intentionally left unlocked, and I read that he used a video camera to record what he saw.

I didn't look up to try to find any footage because I don't I don't care to see that.

But he went in, saw that they were there.

They were there, well, their their vehicles were there.

Right.

He left the house, and his boss had to encourage him to make some phone calls to alert the authorities.

Boughs, just make the phone calls.

You're sorry, but if you like, if he's not doing it, you do it.

The San Diego County Sheriff's Department received an anonymous tip through nine one one at three fifteen on March twenty six, suggesting that they check on the welfare of the residents.

Okay, so they sent one deputy to the house, which I think is rude.

He entered the home through.

A side door and initially saw ten bodies.

Was said to be overcome like as soon as you went into the home by like the smell of yees because they were decomposing.

It's like three days California spring days like.

After a cursor research by two more deputies, they found no one to be alive, and they left until a search warrm could be right.

Let me get out of this scene as soon as side.

I am not on that type of patroll.

Okay.

So the aftermath of this discovery is pretty chaotic.

Reporters swarmed the scene and they were, you know, needing all of the details about the suicide cult, as the media will do.

Marshall Appleloy's image was plastered on newspapers, magazines, everything.

His wide eyed expression was like, like I wrote, it's got to be something that you can picture unless you legitimately have never looked up cals.

Yeah.

Oh, I wish I had a picture of Laura's dad.

I'm not joking.

Is he on Facebook?

No, I don't think.

When the news broke of the relation to the Haley Bop comment, the co discoverer of the comment, named Alan Haley, was drawn into the story.

He said his phone didn't start bringing for days and he chose not to respond initially until he get a press conference together, and he wanted to research the details of what happened.

What happened.

He said that well before Heaven's Gate, he told a colleague quote, we were we are probably going to have some suicides as a result of this comment.

He said.

The sad part is that I was not really surprised.

The comments are lovely objects, but they don't have any apocalyptic significance.

We must use our minds or reason.

Like, I didn't know that people thought comments.

Were Yeah, I mean there's all sorts of different like for him to be like, oh, we discovered this comment that's going to be flying close to here.

People are going to kill themselves, Like yeah, that connection would never happen organically in my brain.

Well, I mean since somebody who researches and studies the things, obviously it's more no, you know, that's more common knowledge for somebody like him versus somebody like us who doesn't.

I mean, it does attracts I guess if you ask me, that makes sense that people would tie some sort of I don't know, religious aspect to something like that.

I don't know, I guess I don't know.

Well, I just think about the like the oble White du caving.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Like, I'm sure people also probably self deleted after that or when that was happening, you know, I mean, you know what I mean, because like everything's going to shut off the world's going to collapse, like that's what was being said basically, right, So I'm I'm sure even with like that happening.

You know, people tied religious aspects to that as well, so I can I can't imagine that, Oh, this new found comment is flying next to Earth.

Yeah, there's got to be something attached to it, okay, like a UFO.

News of the mass suicide motivated the copycat suicide of a fifty eight year old man living near Marysville, California.

The man left a note dated March twenty seventh, which said quote, I'm going on the spaceship with Haley Bop to be with those who have gone before me, and imitated some of the details of the Heavens Skate suicides as they'd been reported in the media.

It was said, though, that there is said that there was no connection with this man and Heaven's Skate, like he wasn't oh on.

The list of follow Like I don't know if they had a list or what.

I don't know.

At least three former members of Heaven's Skate died by suicide in the months following the mass suicide.

On May sixth, nineteen ninety seven, Wayne Cook and Chuck Humphrey attempted suicide in a hotel in a manner similar to that used by the group, Cook died, but Humphrey survived and was saved by authorities.

Another former member, James Perky Junior, died by suicide by a self inflicted gunshot wound on May eleven.

In February of nineteen eety eight, Humphrey, the guy who survived, killed himself in Arizona.

His body was found carrying a five dollars bill in four quarters in his pocket, and next to him he had a note that said, do not revive.

Unfortunate.

It's really sad like they I know, I made a joke earlier about like what mental illness is happening here, but there's clearly something mentally going off with these people that they are so susceptible to something like this that that and he felt strongly enough about it that he didn't succeed the first time.

He felt that confection so deep that he still had to follow through with it.

Also, weirdly, on the same day as the Heaven's Gate mass suicide, five members of the Order of the Solar Temple also died in a mass suicide, So the Solar Temple.

The Order of the Solar Temple was a group with some.

Similar beliefs in so In both cases, they believe suicide would allow their souls to be trans reported into space, and this led initial suspicions of like a connection, although police investigating the Heaven's Gate deaths refused to acknowledge like any of these speculations.

The Solar Temple suicides had been timed for the vernal equinox on March twentieth, not the comment, but owing to several failed attempts, it happened on the twenty second.

I guess we failed the day we were supposed to do it.

So let's just there's like no apparent connection between the two groups.

Okay, I think I've looked at that one up before.

I can't remember.

I would have been like when we first started, and then I'm like, nope, this is Lisa.

This is for t Lisa.

Although most people consider the event like they call it a mass suicide, sociologist and formal former cult member Janna Lilac referred to the event as a murder, and the UCLA psychiatrist Louis West described the members as victims of a hoax.

I mean, I mean, throw whatever label you want on it.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Like these it was a form of religion that these people what decided to follow and unfortunately had terrible outcome.

But I it doesn't seem like anybody went into it without prior knowledge of what they were getting into.

Yeah.

The house that the mass suicide took place became a stigma in the neighborhood, and local residents opted to rename the street.

I didn't write the name may would I.

Yeah.

The property itself ended up being purchased by a local developer in nineteen ninety nine.

This was during a foreclosure sale, so it sold for six hundred and sixty eight thousand dollars in it.

That's like half of what it was said.

Yeah, I was going to say, a huge amand generally so it was purchased and then demolished and they built a new house in its place and changed the address.

It's smart.

Two former members, Mark and Sarah King of Phoenix, Arizona, operated operating as the Tell te Lah Foundation, are believed to still maintain the group's website, and in an article from I think it was twenty sixteen, they said, quote, we do this to make the information available to those who are interested in learning about it.

In a way, it's like planning seeds into the future so people can get familiar with the ways of the next level and prepare for an eventual return.

They so they're still straight up believers, like yeah, even without their profit or whatever they want to call him.

And that is the story of Heaven's Gate.

I just I really wish I could know what was happening in these people's brains when they relate.

Yeah, this tracks you know, you know what I mean?

Like, right, that's what that's the parson.

That's so fascinating to me.

That like, because if I came up to you and I was just saying the most off the wall shit of I am one of the two from the Book of Revelation.

I am here to lead you to your next level being we're all going to die one day and become aliens, I would calmly be like, how do I excuse myself from this conversation?

I would be like, Hi, I think you need some help, Yes, exactly to that part.

It's like just always going to be like fascinating to me, like trying to understand like what people were thinking when they decided like yeah, this is this, this is the way to go.

This is what we're doing.

Yeah, yeah, I don't I and I and I still stand by.

I feel like it's people who are usually have some sort of compromised psyche.

Yeah, I mean I have a compromise psyche, and you're not getting me chasing a comment to be no aliened.

Although the next level body is really tempting.

I mean that is very tempting.

This this, the body that they gave me here is broken as fought.

So like hopefully I get like an upgrade, like I get special upgrade upline.

Okay, so my sources.

There is an article on Vice dot com by Kylie Rodgers.

Wikipedia had a ton of information heavenskate dot com.

Oh, type that into your computer right now.

LA Times had articles, but they were all archives and associated press like no byline and all.

It's interesting.

Had an article by Jacqueline Angelus red alert.

It popped up red alert like this is a very nineties it is.

I love it.

Hold on, let me just give a quick Hailey Pop brings closure to whether Haley Bop has a campaign in or not is irrelevant from our perspective to like.

For another one.

I guess I just started typing how many members does Heaven?

I was gonna do heaven scape.

My finger caught in the first dropdown is how many people can Heaven help?

How many?

So that's too.

It's dope.

I almost close my whole computer over that.

I don't do that over dough, Doe and tea and Winnie and pooh.

So that's the well known cult that I teased you with yesterday.

Thank you.

You did a good job.

I still just cannot wrap my brain around the vast majority of it and how it pulled people in to the extent that it did.

But yeah, you did.

You did a good job.

Yeah, so that's I think that's something.

Oh, wash your water bottle.

Oh shit, yeah, wash the water.

It's been I know, we took a week off, so it's probably been a couple of weeks.

Wash your water bottle.

But that's all we have this week.

Thanks for listening.

Heaybye, okay bye