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Why can’t men find anything?
Episode Transcript
I'm manny, and this is no such thing to show where were subtle r dumb arguments and yours by actually doing the research this week, where the hell is the damn ketchup?
No, there's no no such thing.
Speaker 2Touch, thank touch, thank.
Speaker 3Touch Touch.
Speaker 1This week is very kind of U you know, sitcom coded episode, very King of Queen's style.
It's about, I think, a common trope that men can't find things, you know, in their own home, where presumably they would have some sense of where the condiments are, spices or other everyday items.
Do you guys relate to this?
Speaker 4Yes, but I will I'll add in a dandum here that like, I've only run into this when I've lived with my partner.
So like before, when I lived by myself, it was fine because there's only so many places a thing could be.
But these days, yeah, there's like a learning curve a little bit when you move in with someone who does things a little bit differently me.
Speaker 1I'm I'm easy.
Speaker 4I'll adapt to your style, but you know it might take me some time.
Speaker 5Okay, So you're you're basically did you have this issue with roommates?
Speaker 6Are there men that you lived with?
Speaker 4Not that I can remember, no, but would you be sharing less of things?
Yeah, that's what I really is about, I think.
Speaker 5But you and your wife now have lived in two separate places where you both moved into these places together.
Right, So yeah, to some degree, you're setting up these places collaboratively.
It's not like she moved into your apartment.
Speaker 1Yes, or you move We both went into these places.
Speaker 5Okay, let's just remember that for later in the episode.
Okay, Wait, what are certain things that you like are looking for that you can't find?
Speaker 6Give us an example, you.
Speaker 4Know what, it's really a problem when I'm putting stuff away, then I just put it to finding things, so I relate to unloading the dishwasher.
Speaker 6You put things in the wrong spots, or I'll.
Speaker 4Be like, where does this thing go?
That I never fucking use?
So can I be held accountable for not knowing where it goes?
Sometimes I feel like I don't use the thing, you know, give me, cut me some slack.
Speaker 6But so you don't cook as often?
Speaker 4I mean yeah, not as often for sure.
But she drinks a lot of coffee and tea and has all these like dow hickeys that I just never use.
Speaker 1You don't know where to put feminine devices.
Speaker 4Tea.
Hey I didn't say it, but not not really in case you're listening to this, honey, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1Mean I'm trying to think what specific things definitely, like I set it up, like spices and kind of small items that aren't in everyday use.
It could be in one of two places and you know, maybe we have run out of the coriander, you know, outside of the kitchen.
Other things like where a certain type of towel is or anything like that, or cleaning agents.
Yeah, yeah, it'll be little things like that where it could be Okay, it could be in the bathroom under the sink.
It could be in the kind of storage closet, it could be in the office closet.
Like you know, there's you know, our apartments not that big, but there's just so there's like three or four places where everything is crammed in.
And then because of that, it is kind of an ordeal if you have to like move things out of the way.
So that's where I think maybe a lot of the frustration stems from where now it's like all right now I need to dig in here.
That said, I think some OF's this tripe comes up in a way where it's like, well, maybe I'm asking where it is so we can get to the answer quicker than me digging around, maybe making a mess.
And you know when again, when it's not an everyday use item, it might just be easier to have communication.
Speaker 4But it's like asking my friend what time is the Lakers game versus googling it.
Like if I'm right next to my friend, he might know the answer.
Speaker 5Okay, But to stand out for the women in your life is kind of annoying.
And we talk about this all the time when people ask you shit that they should know or they can google.
Speaker 1Themselves, weaponize some competency.
Speaker 6Yes, I've heard this term.
Speaker 5Yes, So like if you, for example, Noah, You're like, dammit, I need some Lifesol wipes?
Speaker 6Where do we put that?
Speaker 5All right, this one time you're looking for it, you don't know.
You know it could be in one of three places.
You find them, use them, you put them back.
Three months from now you're thinking about where the Lifesol wipes are?
Does that stick in your brain?
Speaker 6You now know?
Speaker 5Okay, I've I've was looking for the Lefsol wipes at one time.
I know it's in Yeah, i'mder the sink or do you are you like a goldfish?
Speaker 6You got start over?
Speaker 5You're like, I know it's in one of these three places I remember where if.
Speaker 1Everything is in order, hopefully then I typically I think I do remember.
That's okay, okay, But I think this is also where you know, you can easily get into a you know, teach a man to fish situation where okay, if I actually then go and get it myself, I will know, yes.
Speaker 6Versus if you're told.
If I'm told or you know, go get.
Speaker 1It grabbing for you then given to me, then maybe I put them back, but not connecting the same way.
Speaker 4Yeah, just to concede a little bit here.
There are times when I'll get the answer and I think that makes me forget about where it was, Like my my problem that I was having was solved.
Speaker 6Yeah, and so you don't even have to remember to.
Speaker 4Go so like next time, I'm like, damn, I didn't ingest that answer.
Speaker 6Yeah, in one air out the other.
Speaker 4But I do think some you know, many times I think I like this, like we are remembering I think the times we ask where the thing goes, but of course you don't remember the times we don't ask.
There are I know true.
I know all the things you do, know where the bread is, where the cereal of the time, not asking where something goes.
It's those moments where I don't know that are more memorable.
Speaker 5I think, how long do you think you're going to need until you're able to not have to ask?
Speaker 6Well, I just think you're ever reached that day?
Or is it just like.
Speaker 1Surely over time?
Speaker 6But I guess some of it.
Speaker 4I don't think about it as like an assignment that needs to.
Speaker 6Be so it's not something you're striving towards.
Speaker 4No, it's relatively not important in my life.
Okay, other now, you know I do want to be helpful.
Speaker 5Yeah, it's not so you're not embarrassed or like concerned that every once in a while you don't know where something goes.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm confident enough in myself that I'm able to ask for help.
Yeah, you know it's a man.
Speaker 6You're confident enough of your man wife.
Speaker 1Yes, I'm able to say, babe, I need I need help right now?
Where the hell is the catcher?
Speaker 6Please?
Speaker 1The eggs are getting cold, crying the eggs get it's been six hours.
Speaker 6What the help?
Speaker 1I've looked everywhere?
Speaker 5You know, I'm an investigative journalists here on the pod.
So I didn't want to just take what both Menny and Noah said about their home lives and how good they are at finding things.
So I, you know, hopped in the group chat that I have with the girls secret we have a secret one.
So I'm gonna play some soundbites starting with Mia about how well does many do in a house at finding things?
Speaker 1Be interested to hear this.
Speaker 7I think that he's like, doesn't quite have eyes for the kitchen, you know, keeps it sort of organized and stuff, but it's just like when it comes to like where things go, I'm like, oh, this is so funny that I kind of thought that we had organized the kitchen together.
And then sometimes I'll just be looking for something and.
Speaker 1I'm like, aware, enough.
Speaker 7Could that possibly be?
And I'll find it in a completely different place and I'm like, oh, I wouldn't have thought to put it there when I hurt my back recently.
So then Money was in charge of like doing everything in the kitchen, cooking, cleaning, like putting stuff away, and I'd be sat there next to him, like at the bar on a bar stool, watching him try to navigate some of this stuff, and it was so funny where he's like holding up a measuring cup being like I know where this goes, but like just remind me where's his go and I'm like, in that cupboard.
The other day, he was like putting a blender away, and he was going to put it with all of the canned goods like where we have like beans and crushed tomato sauce.
And I was like, oh, no, that doesn't go there.
That just that goes in the next cupboard.
So then he was gonna put it below with all the vinegar.
I was like, no, no, try again.
Speaker 6It goes in.
Speaker 7Another cupboard, and eventually he found the cupboard where we keep appliances, and I was like, wow, that's that's so interesting that in my mind I just kind of like know where everything goes.
But I was like, maybe he comes into the kitchen every day and it's like what new adventures away?
Where could this go?
If I thought about it fresh?
Speaker 1This is libel.
Speaker 6Did you know where the blender goes?
Speaker 4No?
Speaker 1Because I don't fucking use the blender.
Speaker 4I don't use this shit, so I need your help.
Speaker 1I don't put that shit anywhere.
Speaker 4But I think generally ninety nine percent of the things I can't remember where they go.
It's stuff I don't use, I will.
Speaker 5Say, to give me any credit, you were talking about people don't remember when you do.
Speaker 6Find things exactly.
We do have an example here.
Speaker 7I was surprised to learn that he does know where we keep the like bulk salt because we have like a what do you call it, like a little jar with salt in it, and we refill it with this big salt thing that's kind of hidden in the back of the car cupboard.
And I like had realized that I was the one that you should refilled it.
So I was like, I wonder, like, I'm guessing he probably doesn't know where it is.
And then the other day he refilled it, and I was like, you know what, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he does know where these things are.
Speaker 4She's talking about me like a like a chimpion learn how to use tools.
Speaker 1A shocking new development.
Surprise, you knew where the salt is?
Speaker 6All right?
No, yeah, you're up next.
Speaker 1I know she's been waiting for this episode.
Speaker 5I will say you you were marked safe in terms of most things in the kitchen.
Yeah, not a lot of examples there you're pretty good about that.
Speaker 6But Noah's issue is laundry.
Mmmm.
Speaker 1Oh well, it's not my laundry.
Speaker 6Okay, let's play it.
Speaker 1I'll take the many the many defense.
Let's hear it.
Speaker 3Noah cannot discern where my clothing goes at all in a way that's like really should be studied, Like the sports bras are going with like the sleep clothes and the T shirts are going in the underwear drawer, and like every time we talk about it, he's just like, right, but your system is hard, Like your system's hard, and there's something about it that just truly does not compute for him.
Like I think if he could put it away right, he would, but every time he does it wrong, and every time I say, oh, that would be fine if you did it wrong, because then you would learn, But it's like completely unknowable to him.
I will try to explain the difference between an AARSM top and a sports bra.
Speaker 8Really hard for him to get his head around.
Speaker 3And I just feel like that's related in some way to just like complete inability to pick up on details that feel so fundamental to like an art item's properties to me.
Speaker 1I'll explain my system, Okay, Yeah, there's pants in one drawer.
Yeah, there's like sweatshirts and sweatpants in another drawer.
Above those, I've got socks one drawer.
Speaker 4Same, I've got a lot, way too many draws to it's it's more of a box, uh drawer thing, probably not a big drawer.
Speaker 1Like okay, so boys, and then underwear and like athletic shorts.
Speaker 6Okay, those are in the same.
Yeah, my socks were in my underwear.
Speaker 1That makes sense.
If I if I didn't have so many.
Speaker 6Socks, you have less socks, maybe you could get it.
Speaker 1And then above that T shirts one drawer and then another one for like basically polos and kind of some miscellaneous shirts that aren't like.
Speaker 6Yeah, not a straight T shirt.
Speaker 1But that's my six drawers six that's my system.
Yeah, her she is six drawers as well.
It's just incomprehensible because the workout clothes seem like sleep clothes to me.
Speaker 6But they're different.
Speaker 5Apparently you don't know the difference between a sports.
Speaker 1And then there then there's like and then it's like socks.
It's it just to me, it seems like a jumpoint.
Every time I opened them.
I'm looking and one of her drawers doesn't really it'll open or won't close.
That's a whole over the level of frustration.
Now where I'm now, I'm really messing this thing up.
Speaker 5Okay, So let me ask you.
Is it what's confusing to you?
You don't know where things go, or you can't discern what the.
Speaker 1I can't discern what when I open the drawer, it's hard to tell what.
Speaker 6Which is which?
Speaker 1What category should be in here?
It is the issue.
Speaker 5Now, let's be honest here.
How much of this do you actually really care about?
Like how much of this is like if you actually put your mind to it, could you do it?
Speaker 1I mean it depends what you mean by put my mind to it.
I mean do I care about it?
Speaker 6No?
Speaker 5Yeah, you know, I mean like part of it is like whatever, It's like, this is your stuff.
Like if I put something in slightly the wrong drawer, it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 1That's more or less.
Speaker 6You think that's more of it, or.
Speaker 5You think it's like you're like fuck every week, I am like trying my hardest to do this and it's just not clicked.
I mean I could yeah, I could got a hard closed blindness or something.
Speaker 1I could try harder.
I think it is a little bit of closed blindness, where like I'm not just throwing stuff in.
Yeah, you're trying a little bit, but my system is a lot simpler, I think, even though I've sick.
Speaker 6Wow, guy, there are a lot simpler.
Speaker 1You've got like three categories.
Speaker 5Well, let me play this because Julia also said this in her voice memo, and I think this rings tree to me.
Speaker 8Obviously, I know that's not about finding things, but I feel like, as I'm sure you all get into, so much of this is like dumbass, like mental load shit of like living in partnership with anyone where one person is going to be better at something than others.
But like the home is considered the woman's domain, whether I want it to be or not, like whether I agree or not, and whether the people coming into my home agree or not.
Ultimately, in my mind, I've been raised with like this is my responsibility.
You haven't been raised that way, and I feel like that's obviously part of it.
Okay, you haven't been raised to really take not responsibility for this, but like you don't see it as at all related to who you are as a person or like a value about you it's not as important to you to know where things go because it's keeping an organized is not a value judgment on you as a person, in your capability to exist in the world in general.
And so like then being met with obviously wanting to be a good partner and wanting to be helpful, then being intently bad at something like that like feels bad.
So then it's kind of futile.
Speaker 5You think that rings true to you that like you just don't view it as like, well, you don't see it as a reflection.
Speaker 1I don't think it's you.
I think there are worse character flaws for someone to have.
And you know, I think in a perfect world we would all be able to mess up where things are, you know, And it's it's sad that this is what society has done to our queens, my queen specifically.
Speaker 6Yeah, people are dying.
Speaker 5This is like they're big There are bigger issues in a worried about the war is not top of the list.
Speaker 1And if I can't, I can't distinguish the unicule tops like have you seen the news?
Speaker 5Yeah, because in the White House, speaking in a group chat, I want to make it clear both of them are like, oh, this isn't really that big of a deal in our relationship.
Speaker 6But I was.
Speaker 4I was listening to what she was saying about, like what you're expected to do, or like what the home is a reflection on.
But I kind of agree with no where we're like, yeah, it should be the case that they're allowed to make more mistakes, not the case that I should be perfect at putting stuff away.
Speaker 5I like what Julia says about like it doesn't matter kind of what we think, because it's like, yeah, if someone shows up to your house and your home is a mess, yeah, they're not going to say oh God, damn manny or no, or I'm like, oh, what are Julian and mea doing?
Speaker 6Like this place is a it's a hell hole.
Speaker 5You know, nothing's organized, it's all over the place, right, So it is a reflection of the women.
Speaker 4I don't know about if I agree with that so much.
If someone's apartment was dirty, I'd be like, it's the guy doing this, they're.
Speaker 1Dirty, or but yes, you would think it'd be like, wow, I can't believe she puts up with that.
Speaker 5Yes, you would think it's a want like she is, because guys are expected to be dirty and the women are supposed to counter.
Speaker 4It, honestly, genuinely speaking, probably like the war of feminism in the past, like fifty sixty years has allowed these kind of uffs to be on equal a little closer to equal standing today than like in the fifties or sixties or seventies.
Of course, if there was a dirty house, it'd be like who the hell did you marry?
Speaker 1Who's this woman?
Speaker 5Yeah, Now it's more expected that men should help out a bit in the home, but it's cenerally still not you know, it's not fifty to fifty, but it is is less like, you know, guy goes to work, shows up at home and does absolutely nothing right, like they're I feel like guys get like shirtain chores now and like yeah, ahead of or own household.
Speaker 1So there's been a couple of theories on this one that I think is largely debunked is that this goes back to our you know, hunter gatherer yeah, cavement.
The theory is like, because men would go out to hunt, mm hm, we'd be we'd be looking for you know, animals moving holding like a bow and arrow or a spear, I guess, so you're looking for things that are moving out in the land.
Speaker 6Things that are stationary.
Speaker 1Yeah, things that are stationary, we're blotting that out.
It doesn't matter because we're not going after that, you know, we're looking for the will to beast or whatever.
That's incredible.
And then people were also saying that, like, uh, men's peripheral vision is worse because we're laser focused on what's in front of us, which also explains why men will get caught looking at you know, pretty woman because the woman is you know, us hunk comes by, she can just look at the peripherals.
It's not gonna be clocked versus you know.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Do I think that's true?
Probably not, But it's a clever idea that someone came up with.
Speaker 9Yeah.
Speaker 1I want to look at some you know, proper studies on you know, object location memory and see if there's any credence to this.
Maybe there is a gender difference going on biologically, and I want to find out if there's a way we can combat this and reverse the cursor, maybe get better.
Can we do better for our wives?
Speaker 4Yeah, out there who are just desperately in need of help.
Speaker 1Yeah, So that's that's what we'll do.
Speaker 6After the break.
Speaker 1All right, we are back I'm Annie, I'm Noah Devin.
So I set out to find out why men are worse than women at finding things in their own home.
I looked into a lot of research over the decades, and I spoke to a man who co authored a meta analysis on gender differences in object location memory.
Oh, so seems like maybe an answer, yeah exists.
Speaker 9I'm Albert Posma.
I'm professor in europe psychology in Utrecht University in the Netherlands, and my research is in the so called memory and space lab.
So we study how human memory works and also spatial memory works, and also how it can fail, what can go wrong.
Speaker 1So this paper of his was published in two thousand and seven.
It looked at dozens of different studies to see how gender impacts object location memory.
So I asked what a typical experiment looks like for this sort of thing.
But first, we're going to do it right now ourselves a little surprise.
Speaker 6Dude, did you hide some surprise experiment?
Speaker 1So a classical one is a sheet of paper with a number of drawings of objects on it.
Speaker 6I feel like this is like the Trump presidential test.
Speaker 5Yeah, basically, amster dog, You've got to remember.
Speaker 1It you study it for a time, and then you get a second sheet of paper and you have to mark which drawings have moved positions, put it cross through any items that are new.
Ready, oh go.
Speaker 5So I also if there's on location, I'm looking to my dumb as I have been thinking about.
Speaker 6What the exs you actually are are.
Speaker 1There's also versions of this on a computer where you have to place the objects back to their original place.
And there's natural environment tests where you study a room and have to memorize the object locations in a similar fashion.
So that's more realistic to kind of what we're actually talking about, where you would kind of have a room set up, kind of like an I spy.
Yeah, we put it to the test.
My wife and I did it this morning, and now it's your return.
Speaker 6And I'm looking at mine.
Speaker 1I'm not looking at shit.
I'm looking at my paper, all right and time.
As for the results of our budget version of the experiment, Devin and many actually overperformed for men.
Congrats boys.
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Now let's get to the actual science.
So having done this, I want to know kind of what are the actual outcomes in the studies, the ones that have done this more professionally than we have here are men worse than women at finding things?
So first, doctor Postma made a caveat that often these differences are over exaggerated.
There are more similarities than differences.
But while men are better at some spatial cognition tests like being able to do mental rotation of objects, women have shown to be better overall at tests of object location memory.
Because there's so many different factors that make it hard to pin down, but there is kind of a measurable effect size difference for this one and kind of overall in this meta analysis they did, there is a mean way to effect size in favor of women of zero point two sixty nine across the eighty six total effects sizes.
So, by and large, women do show superiority in object location memory.
Speaker 6Wow.
Speaker 1Yeah, the rumors are true.
They're just better validated.
I was hoping that would be like a percentage, it's not.
Yeah.
And then there's also all this stuff once you kind of get into the fine prints of like if it's masculine coded objects, men are better versus feminine coded ones and neutral, which is funny.
Speaker 6You know what's funny.
Speaker 5I think I connected with some of the what people say that feminine code because I was like ironing board.
Speaker 6I know's I love ironing boards.
I remember where that is my tea.
Speaker 5I got two different teapots, so I know exactly where those were there, you go, I knew where the flowers were.
Speaker 1Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6None in the maskless stuff stood out to me.
Speaker 4I misplaced the dumbo.
Yeah, I need to hit the gym.
Speaker 1But I ask why he thinks this is so.
Some of the thoughts behind this are exposure.
So if you do these exercises like searching for ketchup in the fridge, you'll get better at it.
And others expectations.
Speaker 2And I know there have been studies that if you label them as a spatial cognition test, you get larger differences between men and women.
Then if you don't label them, it could be that that women think, oh, this is spatial thinking, I'm not good in this.
Then they do slightly worse than men.
Speaker 1And then still there might be some hardwiring due to the fact that effect sizes remain stable over many studies over decades.
And here's another note which explains some other studies that show men are better at navigating space, so like using roadmap, et cetera.
So this is doctor Postma talking about relative location versus exact location.
Speaker 2So women are slightly better in memorizing where things are.
One important reason, if I can explain this, could be that in memorizing the locations of objects, it often is not the exact position that's so important, but it's the global position that's important.
You can try to memorize where you've left your headphones.
They could be on the table, but the exact position on the table is not that important.
It's the relative location.
So it's knowing in which container location items can be found that's enough.
Speaker 1In the studies say this where men will be better at being like, Okay, I know that mug moved six inches over that way, but women are better at knowing okay, the mug is to the left of the pot or whatever.
So those relative things versus like precision, Yeah, which is interesting.
Speaker 4Which like to be fairer to women.
The precision thing is way less important.
Speaker 1Well yeah it doesn't like it doesn't help me, yeah at all.
If you're practicing these things by going into the cabinets or the fridge, et cetera.
Naturally you're gonna need to know where items are.
So if women are typically cooking more, then they're going to be navigating those items much more than someone who isn't.
And maybe the man is going to be better at finding the tools in the garage.
Speaker 6You know.
Speaker 1Yeah, So it's just the roles that you're playing, Yeah, and it makes sense, you know, and all these things.
Of course, the studies say like it changes by population and individual.
I'm always kind of hesitant to even do episodes like this because it is like, yeah, men be like this, and you know women aren't.
You know, women know where the spices are yea.
But that said they do, err yeah yeah.
And then going into that kind of idea of is there a hardwired difference?
You know, we mentioned the intro, there's theories that this goes back to hunter gatherer days, that sort of stuff, where maybe there is an eventually some sort of genetic position.
Yeah, so I asked about that, and that comes up in the studies too, where people do have this theory and they're actually looking into it.
Speaker 6You know.
Speaker 1Of course, it is impossible to do an experiment on this given we don't have time machines.
Speaker 2I like the basic idea that there was some deficion of labor in or ancestor societies and over many generations that could be have led to a sort of hard to wire difference in the brains.
But again, most of I think is that there was joined labor in many things.
So men have to gather also vegetables that could be eaten, and women also had to do loom, distance estimations or certain things.
So again it could be a small driving force, but not too much.
Speaker 1It's not as black and white as like men never had to look for things that were still you know, advice versa.
Yeah, so it would be a very lazy excuse for me to say.
Speaker 6That's why I can't back in the day, What do.
Speaker 1You expect me to do?
I'm out walking around the world and hunting.
You know.
Always important to note that.
Speaker 6So we can't completely discount it.
Speaker 1Yeah, it's not like totally garbage, but you know, you can't necessarily wait it so heavily because we can't prove it.
Speaker 6You know.
Speaker 1It's more like here's maybe a possible factor into it, along with current environmental things and all that.
Just like roles that we have in our own house or outside of it.
That sort of thing makes sense.
Yeah, and then I ask, you know, how can we improve Believe it or not, there's no simple It's a matter of being intentional and systematic.
So if you don't have some organizational system, or we don't have one that you know yet, you should learn it.
So okay, you write spices on the left, green spaces on the right, et cetera.
And just being intentional when you put things back or take the things, and it's basically just practice and eventually you will learn this.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 5Like, for example, if you say you're in a kitchen and you're like, all right, this is where we put all the appliances.
So then the only thing you need to remember is if there's an appliance, it's going to be in this general area.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 6You don't need to know the exact location of it.
Yeah.
Speaker 5So if you have a blender, maybe you don't put it with the beans.
Speaker 1Yeah exactly.
Yeah, you know when we talk about it like this, exactly, it is common sense.
Speaker 4It's the thing too where like all right, So for this experiment, we were asked to intentionally put some effort in remembering where these things were and then at the end we did pretty well and remembering where they were.
And that's essentially what a lot of women are asking their partners to do, which is just to put some effort into it.
Yeah, it's not a biological disadvantage that we have.
It's really about like, okay, if you look at this for one minute.
Speaker 1Really think about it, and we can do better.
That said, I knew what the experiment was going into it, and still when I was staring at the that first page trying to memorize, I was like, I cannot I know, I couldn't like us, and you know, I was just nervous.
And then I get to page two, I was like, no clue.
All right, folks, that's the end of the main show.
We're always trying new things out here at NST Headquarters.
Speaker 6So stick around after the.
Speaker 1Break to hear a bonus hot take from Devin.
Speaker 5So my hot take, and this happened to me.
I'm not just talking about it, I'm about that life.
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Love Cava.
Speaker 1Tell the people what is tava?
Speaker 5Is Mediterranean bowl similar to everybody calls it Chipotle of blah blah blah.
It's Mediterranean bowls.
You make your own bowl delicious.
They give you a lot of food, good portions, A.
Speaker 6Great lunch option.
Uh, if you work out a corporate job.
Speaker 5And I was eating my bowl delicious bowl and it was a long piece of hair in it.
Oh, my hot takes.
Is not that big a deal to have hair in your food?
Yeah, I almost people get hairing the food and they want to burn the restaurant down.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, it's hair.
Speaker 5It's not I get it's a little bit roast, especially if you don't see it ahead of time and it's in your mouth and you're like, oh, this is someone else's hair.
Speaker 6It was long.
Speaker 5It was a long I knew first of all.
And it wasn't my hair.
Yeah, the very distinct you know.
It was a straight blonde piece of hair, and it was like it was in there good, you know, like it got mixed in it was it was curled up nicely, and I just took it aside and continued.
Speaker 1How far into your meal were you This was towards the end.
Yeah, so you might have been chopping.
Speaker 5Oh I could have been.
They could have been a mouthful.
It wasn't like I saw it on top and stopped I was in there.
I may have eaten some here already.
But my thing is like, it's not that big of a deal.
And I think people get upset about it because it reminds them that someone else made their food, you know.
Speaker 6I think people don't like the idea.
Speaker 5They like the idea of the food being in front of them, right, they like the idea of the food being made fresh, and they like of not having to make that food.
I think the hair is a reminder that someone else had to do labor interesting to make your food.
Speaker 6Wow.
Speaker 5And because I don't think it's that if there was a piece of hair that got into your mouth just randomly, you wouldn't react in the same way that you do that as oh yeah when it's in your food.
Speaker 4Well, I certainly think people behave out of character when it comes to like food service.
People like yeah, especially a fast casual.
Yeah, like they're kind of people think they're kind of below them.
Speaker 6Yeah.
Speaker 1Remember the Chipotle saw people then going filming the Chipotle things so they'd get bigger portions.
Yeah yeah, yeah, the saddest people in the world.
And you know, I used to be.
Speaker 4A food service worker, thank you.
Speaker 1Yea, And yeah I used to get like people.
Speaker 4Who would come in and just like find anything to complain about to either get a discount or in many cases weren't even looking for a discount, just like needed someone.
Speaker 6To yell at beat the outlet for today.
Speaker 4Yeah, so I could see that.
I could see that.
I think when I find hair in my and my food, I think there's a good argument, like if you wanted to be like, hey I found you go up to them, Hey, I found some hair in my foe?
Speaker 1Can I get a new one?
Speaker 6I don't think it's I think that's fair to fair.
Speaker 4But the reason I'm not doing that is largely out of convenience.
Speaker 1I think I just can be fucking It doesn't disturb Yeah, to your point, it doesn't disturb me that much anyway.
Yeah, if it was like, Okay, I'm noticing now there's multiple here, like it seems like there's really something going on, but like, yeah, it's an honest mistake.
It's not even a mistake.
Speaker 5Yeah, it's just that's what happened on your head.
On your head, it falls off sometimes that's it.
Yesterday I was watching a video where this guy had he went to some place and got like some pancakes with some syrup, and he opens up his container when he gets home and there's literally bugs scroll around.
Speaker 4Okay, in this instance fair multiple bugs skip.
Speaker 1That local franchise and go straight to corporate.
Speaker 6At that point.
Speaker 5The funny thing is he took it back and the lady was like, what do you want me to do about it?
Speaker 6You want me to make you another one.
Speaker 5He's like, I don't want another one.
Speaker 6Give me my money back.
Speaker 1I think you should shut the whole place so.
Speaker 6That you know that is fair if you're being nagliged.
Speaker 1Hit, Yeah, something is actually dirty, you know, obviously bugs.
Speaker 6If there's a bug in my food, all right.
Speaker 5That's kind of a problem.
Yeah, you put a band aid in my food, all right?
Come on, that's kind of a problem.
Speaker 6Yellow piece of hair.
Speaker 4Even with the hair, like the hair, I'm truly not that bothered by it is of course more disturbing when you when you're pulling out when you have already consumed.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, and it's like, oh that's rough.
Speaker 4It kind of can't even eat the rest of the bowl because I think there's more hair in there.
Speaker 6I just not me.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm turned off.
Speaker 6Couldn't be me, I mean that thing.
Speaker 5I mean it more now I might go get seconds finished the whole thing, like, hey, there was some hearing that, so I'm going.
Speaker 1That was delicious.
Speaker 6You know whose hair was that?
Yeah?
You know.
You come in and they do those like pranks like who made this great job?
Whose hair is this?
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