[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back, Red Sox Nation, Craig Brazlow, continues to make moves, none being yet the blockbuster that we have been waiting for, but there are whispers, is a big move coming.

[SPEAKER_01]: The winter meeting shall reveal all, but for now I'm Nick the Voice, joined tonight by Charles Charlie.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just tripped over your name for some reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've never met you before.

[SPEAKER_01]: Charlie Smith, nearly called you Charles for some reason.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy Schilling, we are the bastards of Boston.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for rejoining us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the first thing I would like to do is pay memorial to a man who has served this Organization greatly Cooper Chris well is off the roster on his way to New York I mean this dude as soon as I saw him being designated for assignment going on waivers I said someone's gonna pick the guy out [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there's a, in the past, I voiced a lot of support for Cooper Chris.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, starting pitching depth is not something that, you know, makes sense to keep a guy like this around at this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: We should have nothing but the best going to the match, but thank you, Cooper, your service, that one miracle year, just two years ago now.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll always appreciate, you know, I love these random players who sort of show up and put on just good performance and for some reason they become like, [SPEAKER_01]: you know, they hold a place in your heart.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys have a play or like that?

[SPEAKER_02]: Daniel Nava comes to mind.

[SPEAKER_02]: But as the Cooper Chris well, he can get out to the big league level, you know, he can.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's shown he can do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: He can show he can start and come in long relief.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't really want to bring him in in the middle of an inning because he has no [SPEAKER_02]: Look, you can get out, you know, for me, you root for the guys that have a lower scale level because we relate to them better right at 42 years old I probably have about 72 73, which Cooper Chris will throw is harder than that, but, you know, you root for those kinds of guys there every day guys you, you know, these freaks that can come out and throw 99 we can't relate to that, you know what I mean, so.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they put on the red sucks uniform and we root for him, but when it's a it's just an every day looking guy with an 88 mile now, our fastball, you're kind of root for those guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, you know, he like you said you alluded to the pitching that they go out and they get the Aviado, ovado and he gets pushed farther down.

[SPEAKER_02]: So what's he like our ninth starter at this point.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I get the DFA, especially if you're going to move somebody on the 40 man and protecting from the rule five, which I think came over this week.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it moves like that happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: I expected him to get picked up and I expected him to pitch at the big week level and continue to get out.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, nothing bad to say about the guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He did everything that the socks organization asked him to do, including go pitch and what's there.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for me, yeah, thank you, Coup.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, his last appearance, he went to 70s against Houston.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was the thing, we're like, all right, great.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then immediately after pitching gone.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that was tough.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeremy already hit up on the fact that, you know, we know he's not a strikeout guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a high-beal, oh, guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's 29 years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's going on to 30.

[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no surprises.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no building up in curiosity of [SPEAKER_00]: what could this guy be?

[SPEAKER_00]: We already know what he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was only a matter of time before somebody like that does get picked up, push him well, and just moving forward.

[SPEAKER_00]: As far as a guy that I think I really liked, Navo was fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: There were a couple, but I think I'll go on the pitching side of things.

[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I actually liked the different Daniel.

[SPEAKER_00]: This was Daniel Bard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Bard was actually somebody that I do miss.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they just they messed him up where they're trying to convert a reliever to a, you know, a starter and it just didn't work out, didn't pitch, became a coach and they went back into the game and became pretty good again as a closer.

[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, probably Daniel Bard, I thought he was always fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can't say anything bad about him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when it comes to the Red Sox's off season, one thing that we can, I think, say, positively is that they're making moves relatively early and these might not be the big moves that we've wanted just yet.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of huge players on the board, whether they'll sign with the Sox is still up in the air.

[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, we shared our thoughts on a lot of those free agents during the actual countdown of the list.

[SPEAKER_01]: But this most recent trade was a bit of a perplexing one.

[SPEAKER_01]: The password being shipped out, which isn't necessarily a surprise, but it was a surprise I thought for the package.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got a starting pitcher who's not a number two, by any means, maybe not even a number three in Johann O'Vieto, a very interesting player, but with a lot of flaws, and it's kind of interesting just because the starting pitching is such a position of depth, [SPEAKER_01]: such an incredible position of strength right now, especially that three through five spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many names that you could put in that bottom half of the rotation that you have confidence in at least performing at that level.

[SPEAKER_01]: So to have another guy join the list, it almost makes me feel like another move is coming potentially.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys think?

[SPEAKER_02]: What was your reaction to the trade and what do you think of the player?

[SPEAKER_02]: money on free agents and they're going to try to improve the roster by by trades.

[SPEAKER_02]: Including maybe some of these guys that were acquired this week packaged into another deal to continue to try to build the roster because I don't think they're going to plug the holes with with dollar bills that just don't see it happening.

[SPEAKER_02]: At this point maybe one bat but I still think that's a pipe dream the way this organization operates.

[SPEAKER_02]: If they can get younger guys still in their rookie deals arbitration [SPEAKER_02]: eligible guys, then they're going to save a bunch of money and potentially get similar production.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, that's what this trade does.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you think you're going to go get Joe Rhina, I don't see that now.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't love the fact that this is a guy that projects well in the system.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I want to establish guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're the Boston Red Sox.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's no reason why we can't go over the threshold and get established guys.

[SPEAKER_02]: That another thing I got from [SPEAKER_02]: This is this is to save money and they think that this guy is going to, you know, fit in the three spot and more sunny and him are going to be the two three and Bayo is the four or however it's going to shake out.

[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_02]: You have the season of the tournament who's going to get the three starts in the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, it's just disappointing to confirm what we already knew and, you know, it's not like I'm going to pretend like I've watched a bunch of pirates games.

[SPEAKER_02]: with the, you know, accuracy issue, but I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: What I mean, can actually say what he's going to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that walked three guys in sixth straight appearances.

[SPEAKER_00]: He can't really get past the fifth inning.

[SPEAKER_00]: Can't go for six full.

[SPEAKER_00]: He pitched against the red socks.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was actually one of his wins last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm with Jeremy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we talked about this on the top 10.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: great to cover some elite talent but disappointed to know like full out no we're not gonna get any of those names and again you know kind of hard to go after Jeremy here but [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to get your Ryan.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't see his off the board.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're making trades for four or five guys because there are no more ones to that you're willing to pay top dollar for.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough and I hope he does well, considering we gave up the password and I don't know where he was going to get an opportunity.

[SPEAKER_00]: We talked briefly before the show that he got a limited sample.

[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't absolutely feel like he knocked out the park, he blew them all away.

[SPEAKER_00]: So best of luck to the past already, you know, hopefully he has a, you know, that revenge fire when he faces the red socks later on in life.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know what's gonna happen with Oviato.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this guy's 27 years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's, you know, close to 30, then he is to 20.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's close to 30, then he is to 25.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping this dart throw works out, but at this point, if anybody said, yeah, we're building this team up and I think that we're better than last year.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you be able to say that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're still missing two massive bats in your lineup and you still never replaced, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler O'Neill from a couple years back.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now you don't have Rafi Devers and you just put in some fillers.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, fact of the matter is, this team is not looking like a 500 team right now and maybe because the Toronto Blue Jays went out and bought up and Yankees went up and they're going to get tools back.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really have a shot at the first or second spot in the ALE's.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how anyone would be able to pick Boston right now as the winner in the East or the division, or excuse me, the league.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, tough spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: I totally get that perspective.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know this is just like I said before kind of a weird move because it didn't necessarily address the big needs you know and the interesting thing about the trade it's sort of Harkin's back to the sunny great trade where both of them I mean we saw Richard Fitzko we saw Brandon Clark go and then we see the past where go none of these guys are guys who we expected to be a big part of 2026 or even the future really I mean we knew [SPEAKER_01]: that really they all had talent and potential, but were blocked, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: There were just too many guys in front of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: These dudes were not going to make it on the Major League roster for the Boston Red Sox and get significant playing time.

[SPEAKER_01]: So really the question is just going to be, is the return good enough to weren't moving those guys or are we going to say, well, maybe they should have been moved for someone else, you know, because those are certainly names that you would have expected to have been included in a trade for a big bat or a pitcher like Joe Ryan.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's very possible sort of like we got foreshadowed in the trade deadline of this past year.

[SPEAKER_01]: that maybe those teams didn't view our prospects or our players as highly as we thought they did.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's something that Brezlo indicated.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's very possible.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we got some return for them, certainly.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually a bit more interested.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that more interested, but equally interested in these other two names that were kind of thrown into the aviado trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just a one for one.

[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually the Stinson Garcia and Hazus Traviaso for Yohan aviado Tyler Salmoniego and Adonis Guzman.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when it comes to this Tyler Salmoniego, at the end of the day, I mean, he's a 26, going on a 27 year old who hasn't pitched above AA.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that sort of seems like a why not throw him in there, type of guy, maybe they see something in his arsenal, they think maybe we could tweak him, put him in Worcester, maybe, you know, Worcester scenario, you know, turn him into something decent.

[SPEAKER_01]: but I mean, getting a little bit of catching depth back in the system, that's definitely a plus for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: This guy wasn't like super highly rated, I didn't think in prospect reports.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm wrong, I'm a little out of the loop, obviously I'm a pirate system.

[SPEAKER_01]: But at the end of the day, he was their fifth round pick.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is Donna's, who has been was, was a fifth round pick for the pirates and had a signing bonus in nearly $500,000.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a pretty decent tack on.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to Aviado in general, I mean, this is a due coming off of Tommy John surgery in 2024, which isn't nearly the albatross around your neck because that it used to be, thank God.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, control issues, he's a big guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got good strike-out ability.

[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like at least in the nine games that he pitched this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just gonna be very interesting.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: That was a bit of a ramble.

[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you guys think about?

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess not only what I just said about the pieces being moved, when they're being moved, the depth in the system, whatnot, what are your thoughts?

[SPEAKER_02]: The idea that they go fine talent that meets certain metrics, but is underperforming.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a small market mindset, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's trying to find broken pieces and with the belief that your system and Bailey system is gonna fix them.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I don't believe that that's our path to being a world-series contender.

[SPEAKER_02]: A lot has gone into the revenue and how, you know, the socks are making more money essentially than anybody else.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's extremely frustrating that this is the deal that's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I expect more one or two more as we progress throughout the off season.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the roster as it is right now is not how they're going to report to spring training, because they do have to add, you know, some pieces that've got to make a decision on first base.

[SPEAKER_02]: They've got to make a decision on third base.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's the small market mindset with which Freslow's being forced to operate in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the most frustrating part for me.

[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we all want them to go out and sign Schworber, Alonzo, and be the first there.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like the Blue Jays did with Cs.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just confirmation, since we've last spoken, that this is how they're going to operate.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just incredibly frustrating.

[SPEAKER_02]: With regards to the catching prospect, I don't know anything about him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to pretend to know anything about him.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hope that, you know, the scouting that went into the trade happening, they may be see where he's maybe a backup, you know, but beyond that, I really don't know what to say with T.O.

[SPEAKER_02]: Gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: They really had an issue there last year when Wong went down, so maybe that's what they see as him being kind of that third catcher, and I don't know if he's where he's going to [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're just adding pieces to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just shuffling cards and having the same hand.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got two jacks.

[SPEAKER_00]: You got two just-the-guy type players.

[SPEAKER_00]: You have no idea what they're going to turn into.

[SPEAKER_00]: One was at single-lay at 21.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was your catcher, Adonis Guzman, and good on him, two for five had a home run in that game.

[SPEAKER_00]: But that doesn't necessarily translate to automatic success.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's 21 years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea what's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: The other guys, 26 years old, [SPEAKER_00]: got up to AA had an e-ring just over three.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did have a little over one strike out per nine on the scale there, so that'll get Terry a little excited where it matters.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, 26 years old, I did.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is supposed to be the team that goes out and gets their guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: I miss the days when the red socks were the team that made breaking news and signs so and so to seven years or eight years for 200 something million or 250 million through a million.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because the last one felt like a, okay, we're trying to make it work, but no, delete, we wish we could just undo what we did with.

[SPEAKER_00]: Robby Devers, you give them a $300 plus million deal, you trade them into your two of that deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't show long-term commitment.

[SPEAKER_00]: That shows, I don't know if we completely made the right move, and we got to hit reset as best we can.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just going to try to not tell anybody, and make hopefully no one will notice that a $300 million player just got moved.

[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I mean, here's the thing, the red socks are operating like a small market team, they're operating like the Oakland Athletics or, you know, Miami Marlins, and it sucks.

[SPEAKER_00]: It really sucks, you know, like people want to say, oh, well, just because you spend the most amount of money doesn't mean you're going to get to the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just look at the midst.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was an anomaly year.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nine times out of ten, if you spend the most amount of money, you're probably going to the playoffs.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can put that into your parlay, however you want to [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, that's the thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the red socks are operating at a fraction of the percentages that some of these other teams are operating at, and as far as the spend is going, same thing applies.

[SPEAKER_00]: The red socks from one of the more recent articles that we saw as recently as last week, [SPEAKER_00]: We're operating at, you know, a profit over a hundred million dollars in profit.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where did that money go?

[SPEAKER_00]: The pockets.

[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't go to the players.

[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't go to additional, you know, teammates that could make this team great or better.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like we're just there.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're praying for the fact that fans are thankful, that Fenway Park is still the oldest park in America and there's a lot of rich illustrious history here, but we're not gonna do everything we possibly can to put a winning team on the field.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna do good enough because good enough is great, apparently, and that's what's frustrating.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a team that used to compete for titles and now we are, [SPEAKER_00]: were there.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're just a team that's playing against those other teams because next year, honestly, it could be Toronto LA all over again.

[SPEAKER_00]: LA could go for a three-peat.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've got the pieces and Toronto just made some proper additions and they're probably going to go get both the shed.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to, I mean, they were making a run for Tucker.

[SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard anything with the Red Sox and Tucker Red Sox and Bashet anything serious?

[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is no, because one, they're not going to offer that kind of money.

[SPEAKER_00]: And two, I don't think any player wants to possibly come to a city regardless of how much talent is there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And could potentially get moved in the second, third year of that deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're showing a commitment to be in this spot.

[SPEAKER_00]: Rothy Devers showed a commitment to $300 plus million dollars to be here.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we said, no, we actually know what we want to re-enig on this and say, no, no, we don't want this anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't play anybody who says we don't want to come to Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was, I wasn't annoyed when, like, Jordan Montgomery didn't want to come to Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he wasn't that great.

[SPEAKER_00]: He had, like, his flash in the pan, now he's awful.

[SPEAKER_00]: but there are other people that, yeah, I would like to see come to Boston.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's gonna be glossed over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Even people that can run the president of baseball operations or the general manager, they're also saying, nah, I'm good bro, to the Boston Red Sox, because they also don't wanna have a short shelf life.

[SPEAKER_00]: Craig Brezos gone after 2026 if this team goes nowhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because why would we keep them?

[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of compelling points that you just raised.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people are concerned with the financial state of this team and specifically how unwilling to spend the wonderful financial state that it's in, you know, on the team itself.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have about what 18 or 20 million dollars to go give or take till the luxury tax.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think another, you know, 20 million beyond that roughly until you hit that second threshold.

[SPEAKER_01]: right now the red socks are window shopping at the dollar tree that really is their modus operandi and you know the further we get away from the sunny gray trade the more I've really come to terms with oh no he's our number two that without question was the budget right that was the brilliant reds low crystal ball of saying well my god how can I get us [SPEAKER_01]: a frontline starter without paying for one.

[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I'll just trade for Sun and Gray and have the cardinals give us $20 million to boot.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a bit afraid about how that boads for getting a bat because right now we need two, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the common consensus.

[SPEAKER_01]: We need two big bats or at least one big bat with a second complimentary bat is the language being used.

[SPEAKER_01]: Two impact bats, we'll say.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one name that is being thrown around suddenly, we talked about a lot of the free agents, but obviously you can't talk about all the trade candidates, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Here is the interesting thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is the budget option of a guy like Alex Braiman right now or Boba Shatt or any other big name in the field that you can think of?

[SPEAKER_01]: The budget option might actually be the best option, which is the Ketel Marte trade rumors that have suddenly begun swirling again.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys think that there's any validity to this guy?

[SPEAKER_01]: If so, do you want him?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is on a team-friendly contract and he's a hell of a player.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do we know why Arizona would make him available?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, so I'm, yeah, rumors about, I watched the news and whatnot, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: I watched the level of press conference from when his house was blurred bird wear eyes and look, we tend to forget that these guys are human beings and like what what would you do if you were at work and the police called and said, hey, they just you just got robbed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't, I don't immediately go to, hey, baseball has to be the [SPEAKER_02]: What made what I haven't done because I watched that before we came on today is go see if there's other things going on.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what kind of clubhouse guy he is, but, but him being available, you know, and again, I don't have any information as we sit here right now, but I is why why is he being available, why is he being made available he's a plus player, so.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'd want to know those things.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think one of the things that allowed the Red Sox to get take that step forward was These guys clearly liked playing with each other.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Breggman was part of the reason why they kind of came together, but The big three are up, you know, they obviously have a lot of chemistry and been playing together a while.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the clubhouse matters and I think that's Alex Corr's strongest suit, you know, I mean, I don't, you know, I'm a core guy, you guys know that, but his ability to manage the personalities in the clubhouse, I think that's what makes him, you know, a top five top eight manager.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, if there's a clubhouse issue, I really don't want that coming in.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want that coming in.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want a veteran with an attitude problem with such a young roster.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I have to do some more research on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to get into the depths of Twitter and figure out what kind of guy is and what people have said about them.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if some, if an X player is spoken on it, you know, unless you guys have heard something.

[SPEAKER_00]: The one big thing that I remember about Ketel Marté was a fan saying something inappropriate about his mother.

[SPEAKER_00]: passing away and I got them really emotional on the field.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure that's what it was.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know it was about a member of his family passing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well that's that's expect.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's expected.

[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of jacket.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I remember him being like him being in the news for and it was it was uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Let me see if I can, he said, I'm pretty sure something about his mother, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: So in June of 2025, a fan yelled to robatory comment about his late mother during a game against the white socks, causing him distress, and then teammates and his manager came and comfort him that fan was ejected and has been banned by Major League baseball.

[SPEAKER_00]: Referencing his mom would pass away eight years prior.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I really don't know what somebody like Ketelm [SPEAKER_00]: His team, we are not a Diamondbacks podcast.

[SPEAKER_00]: We don't pretend to know what's going on in that clubhouse or what's going on with some of their players.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously some of our players or former players are now members of the Diamondbacks.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we have that history with Tori as well with before he like completely architect the entire team and has built that team up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he'd be, [SPEAKER_00]: willing to let somebody like you tell them or take a go, like trade a player to the team that didn't give you your first chance.

[SPEAKER_00]: But didn't give you permission to give you, or get you your first chance to manage.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: 28, 28 bombs from a position in need, though.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's a second basement.

[SPEAKER_02]: He had 28 bombs, 78 RBI, something like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need that from a first, the third base.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you get it from a little pop from the second base spot, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Myers going to, would be your third basement if they pulled the trade off, and you still need the first base result.

[SPEAKER_02]: The, the other thing I'll say about it is I don't trust this front office, and it's not necessarily breathes low.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't trust that he's being given the okay monetarily.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so to me, this falls into the red socks or the interest kings, they're interested in everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: a decent player, a decent player, there's a rumor, you know, somebody tweeting in tweet, hey, Martell might be available, six minutes later, the red socks somehow are already interested in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And like, right, I put no, at this point in my red socks fandom, I put no stock in that.

[SPEAKER_02]: none.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like what if it's a trade, what are the players who are the players?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like somebody leaked the actual trade.

[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a free agent deal, what has been offered?

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't just say we're interested, there's no value in the red socks, whoever's doing it, leaking that they're interested.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're interested in everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, they make it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I look, I understand, for every team, [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're interested in a bunch of players that doesn't work out for a variety of reason, but are they seriously interested?

[SPEAKER_02]: Are they are they actually putting together a package they think could trigger a reason?

[SPEAKER_02]: The Red Sox art that team until they are, which is not going to be under the way John Henry's run in this team.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're over the moon here, guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're not getting any of those players.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ketel Marté is under contract six more years.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's there through 2031.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's 31, 32 years old.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not getting younger.

[SPEAKER_00]: He has been consistent.

[SPEAKER_00]: Probably three of those years will be pretty good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you get lucky and you get four of those six to be a value.

[SPEAKER_00]: on paper though, that's still a pretty good deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm Arizona, I want your house for somebody like that who's going to be good for the next minimum four of those six years.

[SPEAKER_00]: As you mentioned, Jeremy, in a position of need, it's not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's under 22 million, which is adorable.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we'd be able to afford that, which is fantastic.

[SPEAKER_00]: That makes it worth their while you're going to have to part ways with if they go Jeremy okay cool you guys want to tell marté understood great we want to run probably one of your pitching prospects and somebody else you're going to say us to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So jaring during what pitching prospect I mean could you do it the ran for marté type of type of deal or to ran if if they go to ran and myr.

[SPEAKER_00]: Would you do it for marté.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would do to ran from our taste rate up.

[SPEAKER_02]: You take a surplus and you fill a spot that we, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: That's not pressing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think pressing is first base and third base.

[SPEAKER_02]: We haven't been there.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to ask for one of your three.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to ask for Roman Anthony.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to ask for Marcelo Meyer or one of those two.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Roman Anthony and I eyes, I think is untouchable.

[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they just gave him a crazy contract.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going anywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I feel the Nordic gets something like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to give up a proper package.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some people thought we couldn't wait for the password to come up, and they just shipped them off with, you know, for a number four and number five.

[SPEAKER_00]: I hope O'Vieto can, you know, can really turn out to be good, but I mean, are we serious?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you add Marte and you don't add anyone else, [SPEAKER_00]: We're still not there yet.

[SPEAKER_00]: Marté is not two power vats.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's one really good bat, but he's also left handed.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of left handed, is he switching?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, shoot.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember seeing a bat writing, but yeah, all right, so there you go.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm half wrong on that, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see it being, I don't see it.

[SPEAKER_00]: where we don't have enough stones in our pants to make the moves necessary in order to make this team like a proper threat in 2026.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna liquidate the farm, you're gonna have to dump rouseki it to try to get pieces.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not doing it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We missed the boat when we didn't sign seas.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the one positive, the optimist view of the marte trade is the fact that and this is something that I fully attribute to Red Sox payroll on Twitter, who has done a great job compiling stuff like this, his service time is in such a state right now that in April, he will earn a full 10, 5 no trade clause.

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe this is Arizona just realizing, man, this is our last time to trade him and maybe get full value.

[SPEAKER_01]: get rid of a guy who is going to go into his 30s and no doubt be good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can completely agree with that.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, maybe they're worried that the defenses are going to fall off a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they are worried about the days off so on and so forth.

[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they're just thinking, man, maybe we can cash in.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can sort of get the best of both worlds.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got more today up to this point.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now we can get rid of them, get someone else.

[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, the interesting thing is for me, the trade that comes to mind absolutely includes Doran as a focal point.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe a player like Dobbins or something like that, I wouldn't like to give up earlier, totally certainly in a Marta trade.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those two are guys that I personally would only give up for a school-based player, you know, and trade for a real frontline starter with the guys you hope will be frontline starters, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, a depth piece certainly Dobbins who you're hoping is a number four or number three.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to Jared Durand, funnily enough, we're hearing that the Red Sox are valuing him as he was, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: That seven B-war, eight B-war type of player, rather than a four B-war type of player, which is kind of funny because if you look at, Katel Marté, I mean, you look at his past three years, four point nine B-war, six point eight B-war, four point four B-war.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, well, Jared Duran, sure, he's not a second baseman, but hey, we're giving you this four to seven war guy who's cheaper, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And younger, you can just give us yours.

[SPEAKER_01]: Still, I doubt it's going to be, you know, a one on one, especially because more tape is locked up for a value that, you know, we'll see what happens with Duran and his career who knows.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, there's the concerns that we [SPEAKER_01]: which is, you know, the fact that he's fast and that's such a big part of his game that what is he gonna look like at 34 or 35?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is he even gonna be in the league at 38, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Those are things that probably dampen a team like Arizona's interest a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I mean, I think Doran still has five good years of baseball and I'm at the very least.

[SPEAKER_01]: by the time he's done with those, Marte would also be done, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he's a cheaper alternative for those few years.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just interesting, though, because I mean, when you look at our needs and you look at the red socks, we are up against the wall that is John Henry's bank account.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't want to go over 265.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know they're they're voicing well 244 we can go over 244 but 265 whoa slow it down and my brain unfortunately is just trying to rack how do we get three players or even two players at this point two impact bats that aren't going to cost like $55 million put together you know you may not and that's why [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be your short stop in two years assuming he's here and that part of some sort of trade, but if you were to go get a guy like Marta, you have a flexible player like that to fill second base and then that fills third and then you got to figure out first and I don't know what their position is on trust and castes.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a real there's a very real possibility that they plug first base with a temporary.

[SPEAKER_02]: solution until he's back healthy and ready to go.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what historically would lead them to that conclusion, but I don't rule it out and then, you know, they're not looking at the team with the same holes that we're looking at.

[SPEAKER_02]: So that's problematic to me.

[SPEAKER_02]: It scares me.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that's, I think that's a possibility because it fits within the constraints that's being put on [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what else to add to it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like I'm kind of going to go keep going in a circle if I talk about what we're doing as a member, as fans with Craig Brezlo making decisions, we are going to continue making moves for not top tier players, whether they be pitchers or hitters, and that's it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't add anything else, it's depressing, it's really sad.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there is going to be a team that probably does make a blockbuster trade, it won't be us.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do have one person in the comments, Nick.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you want to mention him, this Brent Bell is mentioning here that the Diamondbacks podcast indicates that the team is under tight financial constraints.

[SPEAKER_00]: They do not wish to trade more today, but with Galen and Merrill both in free agency, they need pitching.

[SPEAKER_00]: There you go, kids.

[SPEAKER_00]: Marta is going nowhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you train someone that you have incredible team control over?

[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not going to get the exact package you want, it's not happening.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel that if you're a clubhouse cancer, everybody majorly baseball is going to hear about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone heard about, you know, the Houston Astro's picture, you know, beating his catcher when, you know, Jeremy so eloquently put it, how do you not know or how do you get crossed up when you have the pitch being verbally told in your head via pitchcom.

[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's gonna hear about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen anything about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have to do a see that play.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me started on that play.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you're not seeing the same level of crap from within Martais camp that you did with, [SPEAKER_02]: And let, let me be clear as we're getting close to signing off here, I'm still optimistic that there's time to improve the roster right the winter meeting start today.

[SPEAKER_02]: So those are happening who knows if something comes early this week, but I am confident that there are still moves to be made.

[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think they're going to be dollar bill moves.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to be assets move to try to build the roster through trades to keep that dollars down.

[SPEAKER_02]: So.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not where you are Charlie where it's from not as doom and gloom.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still optimistic.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's just, I know what they want to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: I know that there's constraints in place and I'm interested to see how Brazil with those constraints can improve this roster.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to try, I mean, he's going to try who knows what ultimately happens and we'll be here to cover it when it happens, but.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be other moves.

[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't the team that we're looking at in about 60 days when they report for pictures and catchers.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I would just like to float a hypothetical before we sign off here.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just for fun, I did a little bit of the math, and it could be a bit fuzzy on the margins here, but roughly if we added more tape, excuse me, if we added more tape to this roster, [SPEAKER_01]: and let's assume that Duran does get moved for him, or maybe in a different deal, but regardless, that would give us about $30 million to play with.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that could go to a guy like Alonzo, maybe that could go to Schwerber, maybe we could do what, you know, all the top teams are doing these days, the hot new thing is deferring money, you know, that seems to be all the [SPEAKER_01]: Two bats and pitcher, if our big impact moves are wish list from the start of the off season, if that was, Sunny Gray, Alonzo, and Marta, or Sunny Gray, Schorber, and Marta.

[SPEAKER_01]: Would you guys consider that a success, a failure, or somewhere in between?

[SPEAKER_02]: It makes us better.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we need, we need pot.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need someone that can hit the ball out of the ballpark [SPEAKER_02]: As Charlie said, with Devers gone, who knows what's going to happen with Breggman.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you're going to get Breggman and one of these situations.

[SPEAKER_02]: So assuming he's not part of the hypothetical, but you know, it's not just the hitting of the home run.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's who you can you could plug Roman Anthony in in front of him in the line up and make them pitch to him.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just that guy spot in the line up.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a trickle down effect.

[SPEAKER_02]: And without that big thumper in the middle of the line up, it's easier to gain plan, especially in the lady, and means when you're matching up arms versus bats.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, they got to get somebody that can do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Marta hit in 28 home runs is, I don't know, it's not all the way there, but a guy that's right around 30 home runs is a difference maker.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's about whatever's would do.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, if you could add Marta and one of those other two bats, I'd be extremely happy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, that would mean I'm wrong.

[SPEAKER_02]: and John Henry okay to big spend even if it is a three year with two opt-outs deal which is fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: Go get them and try to win this year.

[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else to add.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think overall I'd be [SPEAKER_01]: I'd be fine with it, you know, I think that it would be a decent use of resources, unfortunately, and the, you know, the real payoff would of course be when opening day starts and we begin to watch, you know, what right, that's where everything's proven ultimately, you know, people will make signings and we think it's great signing and then opening day comes and you're like, who the hell is this got, you know, the picture is completely falling off.

[SPEAKER_01]: or the hitter has regrettied looks like a shell of himself.

[SPEAKER_01]: We saw it with all sorts of guys throughout history.

[SPEAKER_01]: Pablo Sandeville comes to mind of an impact guy we thought we got and you know, turned into one of the worst contracts in Red Sox history at the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even retroactively, you know.

[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you guys so much for joining us.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully with the winter meetings, we will have some very interesting things to report ongoing forward at the very least, there's gonna be a lot of rumors.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there always are at these times.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've been nicked, joined by Charlie and Jeremy.

[SPEAKER_01]: See, I got the name in one there.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have been the bastards of Boston.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for listening, watching and spending it to the time with us.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Go Redstocks, take care.