Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get to the heart of the issues that matter to you.

Today, we're talking about Charlie.

Like so many people in Republican circles.

I got to know Charlie.

He was an exceptional man.

I'm sure you're feeling the same way.

But my heart has just been broken.

It's just been breaking over the past few days.

The only thing heartening.

By it is seeing the millions of people around the world turned to God, turn to Jesus Christ, and also to be more bold in their beliefs.

I'm sure you're seeing it as well.

It's been a gut check for so many of us to look at a thirty one year old man who had so much purpose in his life.

He knew exactly why God put him on this earth, he knew exactly what his mission in life was.

He loved his family, he loved his wife, He treated people with respect.

So you know, what are the rest of us doing.

I'm sure you're feeling it to this tug on your heart about you know what's my mission?

Am I doing enough?

So just want to knowledge that and let you guys know that I'm feeling the same pain that you are after losing Charlie Kirk.

On that note, I don't know about you, but I'm so sick and tired of the media trying to both sides this.

The bullets have been flying in one direction.

We've seen the attempted assassination of Steve Scleeze and other Republicans in twenty seventeen, the attempted assassination of Justice Brett Kavanaugh, two attempted assassinations against President Trump, and then the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

So we're going to dig into that both sides nonsense.

We're also going to dig into the radicalization of Charlie Kirk's assassin.

Was Charlie's killer tied to Antifa?

Was the roommate?

We're going to dig into all this with someone who really wrote the book on Antifa's violence, Andy No.

He's the author of Unmasked Inside Antifa's radical Plan to Destroy Democracy.

So we're going to tackle all of these big issues with someone who, unfortunately has seen Antifa's violence and the radical lefts violence up front, who's been attacked.

Who else better to speak to about all of this than someone who has seen the evil of the left up close.

Stay tuned for any No.

Well, Andy, thanks for taking the time to join the show.

It's been a while since we've caught up and just really looking forward to hearing your insight into this conversation.

It's a sad one and a scary one, but you know, you've got a lot of unique insight into it, so we appreciate you making.

The time my pleasure.

Thanks for having me.

As we look at obviously it's been a few days since Charlie was assassinated, we're learning more about his killer and the killer's roommate.

What what ties to Antifa do you think they have or to what degree were they radicalized?

You know, I know you've been doing a lot of independent reporting as well.

What have you learned so far in which we know?

So I watched the live press conference when the name of the suspect who's apprehended was released by Governor Cox, and Governor Cox also stated what was written on the rifle cartridges and the first reference being hey fascist exclamation mark, catch exclamation mark?

You know my eyes open is like that's there's very little space to write on four cartridges.

And this is basically unless we find a manifesto.

I think this is going to be the manifesto, so the limited space was used for that particular choice of wards.

And then when the governor quoted from one of the other cartridges, which were the lyrics of Belichow, like my jaw dropped like this was a very specific dog whistle to anti film in particular.

Belich How is an old Italian folk song and it was used by those during the Second World War who oppose fascism in Hitler, and in the decade since, lattists and communists and Antifa have adopted it anti film in particular, they put it in their slogans and chants, on their plat cards, in their social media profiles.

It's like their unofficial theme song.

You can think of it that way.

And in twenty nineteen, the Tacoma Antifa gunman who died shooting up an ice facility in Washington State in his manifesto, he also referenced the same lyric.

So I immediately like, that's what stood out to me.

And then of course there were these other game references on some of the other cartridges in refurry reference as well.

So in the media hours after that, I was trying my best to combat the lies and misinformation that was being put out by a leftists online, which unfortunately was then laundered into mainstream media La Times in particular, and then on the Wikipedia and therefore Google and AI which said that oh, the Belachau was actually being used ironically in a far right in the manner and that maybe the suspect is actually a far right white nationalist, a Christian nationalist.

And I looked at.

The evidence that they presented for that, and there was none.

The evidence was a Spotify playlist was five followers that was I think it was.

It was called them or Groyper or something like that on the playlist, and it had the song on it remixed in a dance version amongst dozens of other songs.

And this is an account that has no connection to the suspect, and it was just put out there as hey, like, maybe he meant it in this way, and a lot of people believe that online.

So with that, we've learned other things.

I wasn't particularly surprised when Fox News first reported that, according to sources, it was suspected that the roommate of the suspect is not just a roommate but likely a lover and who was transgender, and it did some on my own digging, spoke to a source who gave me a suspected user name of the roommate that was being used on Steam.

So with that news tip, I went in and I dug in and on Steam, which is a gaming platform where you can buy video games and play video games, you can look on the username history, and so the current username of the news tip I got was flux at Ale and then I looked at the history and one of it was a variation of Lancelot, and so I did some searches and it led me with those exact old usernames to a TikTok that was still active, a TikTok which had a video which showed the face of the lover of the suspect gunman, and so I was able to tie together, Oh, this was his absolutely his account.

And then I did more digging.

He used some of those old usernames also on Reddit, and saw that Oh, he talked extensively about being transgender, about being on cross sex hormones, about his dislike of Christianity.

So this is a picture coming together.

And I know that there's been reporting that the FBI is probing to see if the accused was motivated in part.

Because of his support for radical.

Transgender ideology, and also that there are left wing groups who are being looked into, one who deleted its social media presence immediately after the shooting.

So these are lines of inquiries that the FBI is doing.

According to press reports, and my impression of the profile that's coming out of the suspect is that it seems like he may have been radicalized into some of the anti fear ideology that's steeped into the wider culture.

He seems to have been a type of person who, from what we know, who was online a lot and was a big gamer, much like the lover.

And I have not seen any other evidence.

Either through other reporting or through my own findings, that he was involved with a militant cell.

Whoever, I did see.

That New York Posts reported that in recent weeks that there were individuals allegedly coming in and out of that apartment in Saint George, Utah, which I mean, I'm paying attention to that sometimes with this violent extreamist radicalization, it could happen very fast.

We've already know according to what his family has allegedly said to the press and to investigators that for quite a long time he had been left wing, and The Guardian did report that a person who formerly friends with him in high school that he was becoming quite radical as far back as his sophomore year of high school.

You know, we we hear the term trantifa.

I know John Lott with a crime prevention research center told me about the transgender are overrepresented in committing mass murders, are about seven times more than their share of the population.

That was after the Minnesota uh mass you know, mass murder at the church.

You know, with Trentifa, how tied are like the transgender community to antifa is?

You know, what's the overlap there?

I guess so.

Uh.

Trantifa was the term that I coined, and it was to describe the phenomenon that I observed actually five years ago from my on the ground reporting about Antifa.

I just at that time anecdotally, not even not not even ancdotally.

This is good the data because there were so many arrests.

But by twenty twenty one, so there were six months of riots in Portland after George Floyd died, there were about a thousand arrestees.

That's a really huge data set.

For one city that had such radicalization in people who were participating in an insurrection against the government for the cause of so called Nancy fun BLM, And on some nights it was ten percent of the arrestees were somehow gender diverse, which is a very large number.

I mean, you know, estimates that academics have done on the American population is maybe half a percent is gender diverse identifying, which is much bigger than how it used to be.

So the number is growing, but it's not ten percent, but on many other nights it was twenty percent up to a third.

And actually I'm seeing the same phenomenon happen with my tracking of the dozens who have been arrested and charged in the ongoing riots happening currently outside the ICE facility in Portland, Oregon, where I'm originally from.

So there's an observable phenomenon, and I think maybe what maybe explaining that is that Antifa broadly as an ideology movement mutates and it changes with what's happening in wider society.

So back in twenty eleven, around that time, it was very much around Antifa movement was against was about opposition to like world trade, wto conferences and like internationalist type events that were happening.

If it happened to be hosted in the US or somewhere in Europe, they would be targeted for violence because they viewed the liberal international order as fascist, which they wanted to destroy.

But starting around twenty fifteen sixteen, then it latched on to BLM as well as opposition Trump.

That's how it mutated next, and it was aided by mainstream media.

Your listeners will not be surprised about that.

The propaganda that was coming out day in and day out for BLM really radicalized a lot of people.

And also the propaganda lies against Trump's first administration also radicalized people to join some of these militant networks.

And then starting I would say probably around twenty twenty, how it's mutated as BLAMA has become out of vogue is that it's focused on transgenderism and the rhetoric that the transactivists are using or they're claiming that they are opposing fascism, that they're so called denial of their ability to groom children into transgender ideology, that that's fascist, that the US government is fascist, and that they are victims of a genocide.

And that type of propaganda.

Has characterized not just fringe transactivism, but actually mainstream if you go to any of their demonstrations, Lisa, maybe you've seen some of these pictures online of the type of signs and shirts that they wear, trans rights or else, and then pictures of rifles and firearms and knives.

Just pretty much being very clear about what the els is.

Right, got to take a quick.

Commercial break more with Andy on the other side.

How do they organize?

Andy?

Like, how how organized is Antifa?

Like, how how does it spread?

What's sort of like the radical what have you learned about kind of like the radicalization process?

Like how does antifa work as a network.

So first, it's about ideology.

It's a Greedin's ideology.

The US is wicked.

The world order led by America is an imperialistic system that oppresses people of color, oppresses black bodies, this is their language, oppresses trans bodies, that strips women of their bodily body autonomy, autonomy, and is out there to to empower fascist and white supremacists.

And therefore it's up to people who pose that to fight back in any way they can.

So the tactics are really wide.

I focus on the violent criminal aspect of it, because I find that that's unfortunately ignored.

But there's also a lot of non violent organizing around it, and that involves things like disseminating the propaganda, making it, making the texts.

That they print out.

They have booklets and texts which are used to radicalize people at They quite often have anarchist or radical so called book fairs, which are sometimes just tables that are set up in a park in some city.

It happens a lot in this literature is used to introduce really radical, extreme theory in a distilled, simple way that like a young reader, including maybe even a teenager, could read and just become radicalized.

And it's at first it's about fighting for immigrant rights and for black lives, but you just turn a few of the pages and it's like, oh, how that fighting actually works?

Is direct action, direct action against the state, and the goal is to overthrow the US government.

And just a number of weeks ago, there was a shooting on an ice facility in North Texas in Alvarado, and there was a local officer who was shot in the neck, and the militants who are arrested and have been charged federally as well as locally are accused of being part of the cell and have looked into them and they're part of the North Texas Antifah network and reading the federal criminal complaint when one of the suspects was arrested after the shooting, allegedly in an effort to destroy some evidence, they found a whole box of these radical texts in literature about overthrowing the government.

And that is characteristic of how that propaganda is disseminated on the ground.

Of course, now with social media, it's disseminated massively online, so it's it's out on every front that's on the radical and then you have the role of the mainstream media in repeating various versions of the lies.

You know, Andy, President Trump said that he was asked if he would designate ANTIFA as a domestic terrorist organization.

He said, one hundred percent, I would do that.

Should he do that, isn't HEFA a domestic terrorist organization?

So I saw a lot of people were excited about that, the yeahs.

I want people to remember that.

Actually Trump said the same thing in his first administration.

I believe it was in twenty twenty actually or maybe twenty nineteen that he had declared Antifad terrorist organization, and it's legally it doesn't do much more than act as a statement.

I think a number of issues come up immediately.

One, what does that even mean because in the sense that the US, our legal system at the federal and state level does not have the government has no ability to actually ban groups based on ideology, which is different from Europe in the UK.

In Europe they can ban specific organizations based on ideology.

In the US you can't.

You run into First Amendment issues immediately.

Second answer for organization, the way that ansiph organizes, people have to really think of it.

Similar to radical Islam.

You can't ban radical Islam.

You can ban specific groups that organize around the For example, Al Qaeda is being involved in that is criminal.

In the US, being involved as Islamic State is criminal.

But those are like specific organizations.

And the way that Antipha organizes that it's dispersed amongst so many decentralized cells.

A lot of them don't even have names, and they do it all intentionally to be quote unquote non organized.

There are groups like Rose City.

Antifha, which is importand and they are involved in assault on me and other groups in different cities.

However, in the last five years, a lot of those accounts on their websites and social media have gone actually pretty quiet, and they don't organize openly with the banners and such that they used to with their organization name.

Instead, they'll use the symbols of Antifah as some of the signs, but rather than the name of the organization.

I think they fear, for example, that they could get prosecuted under things like RICO or conspiracy charges, which has happened, by the way, there's a blueprint.

Two years ago in San Diego County they were able to convict in sentenced twelve members of SoCal Antifa.

That story received no national tension.

Very few people even know about it.

Yeah, I'd to be honest, I didn't know about it.

Yeah, I mean that was the case that took years of prosecution, prosecutors uncovered, it went to trial.

By the way, all the evidence of organizing so that Ultra actually quite rattled a lot of the organized antifook groups like.

So.

Now, what they try to do more so is that in a way similar to what Islamic State did at their height, they would release the propaganda online.

Do you remember they had like these PDFs you could download.

It was in all these languages.

You could go on their social media and just read any of it.

Come radicalize yourself, And that really is sort of the tactic that they are encouraging their radicals and ideologues to do that.

You don't formally organize under a group name.

You believe the same thing, and if you can connect with other people online and then in real life who believe it, then do that, but do not organize as like an actual group.

So I to sum up, it's a nice sentiment I guess you could say from Trump, because I guess the point what matters is that he recognizes that this should be a priority and that something needs to be done.

The role of the DOJ, I think is going to be it's much more nuanced and how they navigate First Amendment issues right, because part of the antifa appeal is that it can draw in people who think that they're just I'm part of the antiphah because I'm an anti fascist.

I've seen that a lot those are from people who are not really actually involved, but they would still identify with it.

So there are a lot of legal nuances to weave through.

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You've spent a ton of time just on the ground and also researching all this in your book Unmasked Inside Antifa's Radical Plan of Destroy Democracy.

You've also been a target of Antifa repeatedly.

Walk us through just what you've seen up close, Like how dangerous are these people?

Obviously they're extremely hateful, you know, just kind of tell us a little bit about the evilness that you've seen on the ground and also being a subject of the violence as well.

Or victim.

Yeah, you know, it took assaults for me to kind of really understand how extreme and violent these militants were.

Like unfortunately, it took that, I think a part of me for a few years in the early years when I were reporting on them, like in twenty sixteen and seventeen, I do them more as kind of just street thugs who would mask up and riot and vandalize.

And I didn't quite understand that when they're they called for the overthrow of the US government, overthrow of America and its ideals, and they used to violent rhetoric around that they actually really truly meant it.

I think what people have to I hope people are waking up and learning is that the far left, the militant left, Antifa and other ideologies on the left, they mean what they say.

They don't hide it.

They want Their goal is to win by any means necessary.

So the warfare is asymmetric, if you can think of it.

It's like they're not engaging in the rules of battle where you don't do this or you don't do that.

You know, like they're willing to do anything and everything if you lying, for one, putting out disinformation, intimidating even targets that are lower level by doxing, releasing their addresses where their family lives, releasing pictures like those are some of the lower level things.

And then they have tactics and methods to escalate.

Towards killing and in terror attacks.

And there's been a number of number of them who have been committed by self described Antifa ideologues, and people don't really know about the names because there's a whole system, an apparatus, so who describe it that protects them.

And we saw it play out in the last couple of days too, after Charlie Kirk's assassination.

Is that.

Lies about left wing violence or the ignoring of it or both.

In twenty nineteen, there was a school shooting by an Antifa member in Eugene, Oregon.

He died in the shooting because there was a school resource officer fortunately that shot him, and nobody even really knows about that case.

I mentioned already already the Tacoma ice shooter in Washington State.

In Portland in twenty twenty, there was a Antifa gunman who assassinated a Trump supporter in downtown Portland during one of the riots, and the way the media had reported on that afterward was that the victim who was shot dead was far right and was a suggestion that he also somehow deserved it.

So there's been a number of these attacks, and I I think actually what is most dangerous about all of that is not just obviously those who are capable and are committing acts of violent criminality, but how they are protected by a much much larger system, The role of democrats in that Democrats who are elected to office prosecutors, for example, who let out left wing violent criminals.

That happened in Portland, that happens in Seattle.

People always ask me what happened to all these thousand people who arrested out the riots.

Well, the prosecutor would immediately drop the case.

They would be released out of jail immediately, no bail anything, So they would just return to riot again.

They get arrested, let out case, case drop.

And then if the prosecutor Sonny able to drop the case because it's such a violent felony, multiple violent felonies, you have liberal judges who will dismiss the case.

Or allow a plea deal where.

The person who commits let's say, multiple violent felony arson attacks gets probation only and then there's a chance for the record to be a sponge like that.

That is a system that protects him.

And of course the press, they're all of the press liars in the press, sociopassic journalists who lie.

That is the part that concerns.

Me, because you know, any country is going to deal with some fringe of extremists who are willing to kill but when you have a much larger system that protects him.

In the mainstream.

We've seen how many people, for example, white collar positions who celebrated the assassination of mister Cook, and we're calling for it to happen more and sometimes two specific individuals to happen to next.

That's great.

I hope it is eye opening.

No, it's it's been extremely eye opening before we go.

You know, obviously to your point about the media, there's really this effort to both sides.

You know, what happened to Charlie that you know, Oh, it's we've got to stop violence overall on both sides.

And you know, is there both sides to this political violence in the country or or you know, I guess what do we know about where it's coming from?

Is it a both sides issue or is it more specific to the left.

So this is a deflection tactic that those on the left do when they when when they're not able to get away with the lie that the accused terrorists or accused killer is uh is right wing, when they can't lie about that anymore, and Max slot the evidence and they say, well, okay, he may be last wing, but look at all this this research that's been done about the real threats in America.

And they always cite these same few studies that are done by liberal organizations, liberal nonprofits that have had liberal funders written by so called academics or researchers who are on the left.

Some of them are even Antifa sympathetic researchers, I would argue, And the issue is a methodology for it's very hard to categorize politically motivated crimes simply as like last wing or right wing.

I'll give you a few examples, and then you and then I'll explain how this stuff gets excluded from the data for a reason, and then a certain narrative can emerge once you eliminate enough of the data.

You know, there's been a number of killings that are quite that happened somewhat routinely somewhere in America where a black suspect accused of a homicide may have made a reference to race, for example, may have said something anti semitic.

There were a few killings a few years ago in Jersey City, for example, by a black nationalist suspect and his partner.

Where where do you map that on?

Do you map that left or right?

Because in the in the sort of the eyes and ears of the of the leftist academics, when they think of racist, they think a right wing.

But when it's a black person who's accused of that.

Where do you map it?

Oh, they exclude that data.

It doesn't really fit into this data set.

What about jihadism.

It's religious fundamentalism, but it's also Islam, which is called by the left.

So do you map that on left or right?

Oh, will exclude that.

You know, we that that doesn't fit into the data set.

And then when you keep excluding things, then you can find what you want to include.

And that's what happens with some of these screenshots that are coming out of these charts that are showing it's a deflection tactic.

You know, this is not a game or race about arguing who's more evil than who.

There's a lot of evil and wickedness in the United States, a lot of violent people who are willing to kill and have killed.

What really disturbs me is the denial when it happens on the left.

It's kind of like they don't want to admit that it happens because they know in some part that they play a role in creating this environment where their political opponents can be dehumanized with impunity.

And there's some research that's coming out now, particularly after several high profiles asassination attempts and successful assassinations in the US that.

Has polled.

Surveyed, I should say left wing and right wing respondents asking for their views on is it acceptable to assassinate Donald Trump?

For example, one study at a out of a research organization at Rutgers found that over fifty percent of those who identified as left of center said yes, it's justifiable in some way.

So that that is the data that these people don't want you to see.

And very disturbing.

Go check out Unmasked and sign Antifa's radical plan to destroy Democracy, Who is a bestseller?

Andy, thanks so much for taking the time.

I learned so much from you in this conversation.

Stay safe and will continue to look out for your work.

So we really appreciate you in the time.

This was so interesting.

I learned a lot from you.

Thank you, and my substock is ngocomment dot com.

That was Andy No.

Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show.

Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week.

I also want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.

Until next time,