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[SPEAKER_04]: He just came back from an elk hunt.

[SPEAKER_04]: We were planning on this for a couple of weeks and every week and I'm on an elk hunt, I'm on an elk hunt.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't, what soon is your back?

[SPEAKER_04]: As soon as your back, you come back on full blast.

[SPEAKER_04]: Riley Kirkpatrick's here.

[SPEAKER_04]: How the hell are you?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing good, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for, thanks for waiting.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I kind of like check out this time of year and I feel a little bad for what's it going on?

[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, people got lives of it, lead.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is the weird one.

[SPEAKER_04]: We should not be like hanging on the phone.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm done, done cool.

[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_04]: How was the, how was the hunt?

[SPEAKER_00]: It was good, like, you, Hunters are weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're like, you're happy, you're out there, you're happy you're getting to do it, like the opportunity to do it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like, some hunts are really frustrating.

[SPEAKER_00]: You just aren't seeing much game or like have many opportunities.

[SPEAKER_00]: And some hunts are frustrating because you are having opportunities in seeing game.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just not coming all the way together all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, and even when they go good, you're like, oh, well, this hunt went good.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we got something, we're like, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we killed something so it's like it's always has like these like, it's a roller coaster, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's this one I so like I didn't kill bullets here.

[SPEAKER_00]: I had a couple opportunities to elk like they were close enough within range and everything was fine.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just weren't [SPEAKER_00]: the L.I.

[SPEAKER_00]: was looking for, you know, that I wanted, and so I choose to pass on them, knowing that there was other elk in the area that I did want, you know, that I was excited about, and so I just never got an opportunity at one of those.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you learn to not be like, I mean, I'm thinking to myself like, I don't know how many days you're out there.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I'm thinking to myself, alright, day one didn't go so well, day two didn't go so well, day three.

[SPEAKER_04]: I see something and then I make the decision.

[SPEAKER_04]: How do you get the discipline to say, I'm going to let that one go?

[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, just time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And some people don't ever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some people are ready to take that first opportunity every year and that's cool I don't I don't try I try or not I can't say I don't but I try hard not to put my thoughts and what I would be excited about on to somebody else Especially in hunting like so if that is the animal that excites him and they want you know the first one is That's awesome, you know, but [SPEAKER_00]: For me, it's just who the person I am, I'm just like, oh, well, this is what I'm expecting for myself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or this is what I know is gonna make me excited to walk up on or to take its life, enough to take its life.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I just, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the patience is just there for me.

[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I'm, I'm excited just to be close to things.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to kill it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, some people out there called their old goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, I just want to go out there and get me and come home.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then like, right on, that's cool for them.

[SPEAKER_00]: I like that for them, but it's not my whole goal.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, a lot of my hunting is with hounds and I don't ever kill anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm just walking up.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, I've ever heard a counten coup.

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_00]: So the natives would do it a lot when they would do it to each other of like come up and kind of pat somebody on the back or something, you know, and like they could have killed you.

[SPEAKER_00]: They just, they like you live, yep, they like you live.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, [SPEAKER_00]: There's different things of like, if that happened to you, you had like, lose a feather.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's some like, there's different like traditions along with it, but like, to me, that's half a hunting is just like, ah, I could have had you, you know, but I let you go today.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just an experience between the two, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm, I give you a lot of credit because you're also, you know, I don't, I'm not going to pretend like I'm a hunter, nor am I going to pretend like I'm not immediate or nor am I going to pretend like I know better I would, I would put my own opinions on on somebody else.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I appreciate the fact that you say it how it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was a vegetarian for a long time and I remember thinking to myself, God, I feel as though meat eating is one of those things that there is a life being lost and at some point we should be a little bit more not so callous about those lives being lost.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I've always felt like, you know, if you're going to be a mediator, maybe there should you should have to go through some sort of like watching how it is, and then making your decisions because of that, um, I appreciate the fact that you don't, uh, use these words like, you know, people say, I mean, I guess it's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I don't want to want to know, but a lot of people, they kind of just trying to chill the wording down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they do.

[SPEAKER_00]: They chill it down.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's [SPEAKER_04]: That's exactly what I was the word I was going to say, and I'm all like I've said that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I used to listen to all these guys, and I never really, I never really had the, you know, intrusive, I went on hunting one time with my dad's vineyard.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was the guide, I don't know if I told you this, but there was this, my dad had a vineyard.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I used to watch world of deer work, because we had all these, when we had this, uh, he had a special permit that people could shoot out a season, because they were like, [SPEAKER_04]: getting into the fields, and it was a problem.

[SPEAKER_04]: So my dad at this friend, it was his German, he's a German nobleman for all I care.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was a very rich German guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was a friend of my dad's, and my dad would ask me if I would take him up into the woods through where the deer are.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I said, sure, and we would talk along the way at driving his range over, and he would talk with this very thick German accident, which is between you and me, especially at my age.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was very, very, very, very, slightly uncomfortable.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, you know, this young Jewish kid from the every side of the world.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to climb with the goddamn German, and he's got a gun, and he's telling me about the whole thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll just leave you to use it.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's simply at that time, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, this wasn't that long ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the craziest part is as hilarious as my father.

[SPEAKER_04]: was because he was a linemaker, he was friends with all these German guys, and he would say to me, all my German friends, he says, because my dad was in World War II, my dad would say, all my friends, their parents were definitely Nazis, like no bones about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just want you to know, I love these people, they are my friends, he didn't say like that, he says these are my friends, but they are their parents were definitely Nazi, like real Nazis.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I just remember being in this truck and he was interesting was this German guy was telling me what it takes when you I guess this is also back in the you know 80s and 90s He said when you're hunting in Germany, you're not allowed to just get a gun and go hunting you have to take courses Yeah, like courses on the marksmanship you take courses on the butchery you take courses.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't just let you go out and [SPEAKER_04]: hunt things yeah and i just remember i remember you think wow this is this guy's like this is a noble shit right here and then i remember there was like this doe and he you know there's a smaller deer and he had me sit down and he put his rifle over my cousin New York state at the time people couldn't hunt with rifles they had a height well because i think you know the bullets were going through people's windows yeah shotguns [SPEAKER_04]: There he's in shotgun, so meanwhile this guy comes with this, you know, long rifle with a fat scope on it and stuff like that, and I don't know the, you know, and he says just sit here, he's in, I'm not doing the German accident, but think of thick as hell and he put the rifle on my shoulder and I said, and I said, can I put my fingers in my ears, he says, don't worry, it'll be okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's watching the deer.

[SPEAKER_04]: through the scope and it's like the the the wood part of the head stock is on my shoulder and I'm thinking he says just don't move and he didn't take the shot which I was grateful for but at the same time the whole experience was not like this is not like I need this in my life.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was terrible, that is horrible, and then I got the only other story I remember was when I was very young, my dad taught me how to use, my dad taught me how to use the bandsaw.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's probably what got me into sculpture and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: I made a rifle out of what you PVC tube and I made the scope and everything like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: and he showed it to the hungry wanted to show it to this hunter who worked my dad and if that guy says, well, I want you to come out with me one day.

[SPEAKER_04]: We'll go, I'll take you hunting.

[SPEAKER_04]: He gave me a bucket.

[SPEAKER_04]: We went to the woods.

[SPEAKER_04]: He said, sit here and don't move.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we sat under a tree.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's at one tree.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on behind him.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it doesn't shoot me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: We sat on that guy and bucket for three hours.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was just like this sucks.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's suck.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: So both my experiences were just like this ain't for me.

[SPEAKER_04]: Terrible.

[SPEAKER_04]: The total two opposite.

[SPEAKER_04]: The one my dad's guy looked just like a homer fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had the The hat he had the red flannel jacket and then he had the red flannel pants to match that that snuck it that kind of tucked into his boots.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, literally homer fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: where they're like puffed out in the thighs.

[SPEAKER_00]: Puffed out in the thighs, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, like, this is legit old school.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, wool.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Right, yeah, wool rich.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is the whole nine yards.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I appreciate the fact that, I mean, I appreciate the fact that you have, uh, [SPEAKER_04]: You know, you have this romantic style about I mean both both the guys I went with were like we're gonna shoot some fucking deer It wasn't like this wasn't like let's wait for the right waters like first what we see we're fucking it's dead And then it that is like a difference in the The sides of our country is like the east coast you guys have a way too many deer like So I just had a friend here that's from Pennsylvania.

[SPEAKER_00]: He came over to high elk with me for a week and [SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about the difference in, so in his like unit, like his hunting area, they killed almost a half million deer last year.

[SPEAKER_04]: Jesus.

[SPEAKER_00]: And in my unit here at home, we killed six.

[SPEAKER_00]: six million no six six oh Jesus Christ six deer Wow, and so here we are just already so used to passing on smaller one like out of those six deer There was only one four point deer shot and that was that was the deer eye shot and so it's like [SPEAKER_00]: We're just already used to waiting.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're used to not getting anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like not that big of a deal.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's still sucks, but it's like, it's way different than the mindset on the side of the state.

[SPEAKER_00]: Or country where it's like, there's deer to go around, go ahead and start shooting something.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's, it's we're not gonna run out.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're like here, we're pretty worried about running now.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm about to drive down to the center for metal arts when this drop drops and I know that I will easily see 10 deer that've been hit on the side of the road easy by the trucks wild.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Totally crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have those numbers and so it's very.

[SPEAKER_00]: we're all pretty conservative most and not saying everybody is there's do we still have our bubbles are here but it's like we're everyone's pretty conservative with the animals they're not trying to let shoot too many young ones we're not trying to run out you know so there a lot of elk where you live yeah right right live we we do have a lot of elk because it's like so where I live is like [SPEAKER_00]: a blend of timber land, so logging land, and then a little bit of farm and with like, hay fields and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just like the perfect mesh for those elk to be in, and it's like a bunch of private, it's like a good amount of private land, and so they aren't getting too much pressure from other like hunters.

[SPEAKER_00]: and so they end up just hanging out kind of in these properties right here uh...

i don't i don't like hunting at home too much because it is just sitting in this kind of boring and so i like to go out to those we get access to a lot of the private timber lands around here [SPEAKER_00]: They get a tax break and everything for letting the public Recurate on their property and so they open it up for public hunting and so I go and hunt a lot of that stuff around here But it's still only like 10 minutes 15 minutes from the house.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so when you're but when you're going like when you like the past couple weeks So I can do you and you said you were hunting does that mean that you were hunting for days on end or you just doing day trips [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much day, we're coming back to the house every night because it's with so close and then we're just hunting out each day, especially for this season.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the unit that we're hunting right here at the house and so it's easy to just come home each night.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we did hunt.

[SPEAKER_00]: We hunted 20 days straight.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: And we hiked, we hiked about like 10 to 15 miles a day.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a good amount of walking, you know, and it just hills.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you're not hunting with the dogs though, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, you can't, in Oregon, we can't use dogs on any a deer, elk, or anything like that, just on a bobcats.

[SPEAKER_04]: I would think, I would think that the deer, I would think the dogs would help anyway, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they do, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because the dogs are running them by, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's easy to pass on one.

[UNKNOWN]: Dang.

[SPEAKER_04]: So how much, how much, I mean, if you know my me ask asked, last time I asked a question, like, how much to bends to our apparently, I was being rude.

[SPEAKER_04]: What I said, I didn't realize that when you say to ranch or how many cows you have, that's like apparently.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, definitely more like a Texas thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that was so glad he told me too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like, sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, no, that's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: He just didn't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, I would I know exactly, but so like I mean how much meat would you make How much meat would you have for a year of hunting?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, do you factor that into how much you're gonna hunt to?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, this is so I got kicked in the belly by a horse and I had a kid and and so I took out a bunch of like my guts my gallbladder Some of my stomach stuff and so it's like I just live better on game me game meets a lot leaner than beef and so I I function way better on elk and deer and be at bear and stuff like that and so [SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get enough protein for the whole year for us, the family of three, and we kind of know we need at least like one elk, one deer, one bear, or one elk, two deer type situation, and so I didn't kill a bull.

[SPEAKER_00]: My wife still has a cow tag that goes for quite a while, and so she'll put more than likely kill a cow with a rifle, and then [SPEAKER_04]: I need a hunt and deer season pretty hard and bear season pretty hard that since I didn't kill a bull So when you get a tag and let's say all right, let's say out of just I have no idea I really have no idea your wife gets that she's got the deer tag that gives you the or the right to give you the permit to shoot a deer Yep, right or I don't bull I'm a mom I'm a female, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so when you got the deer You got to bring in at home.

[SPEAKER_04]: You got the tag.

[SPEAKER_04]: Then do you have to report to somebody?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so it's like, in Oregon now, it's like four or five years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: We went to, I think, called E tagging.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's an app on your phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so as soon as you kill the animal, it'll kill up to it, you find it.

[SPEAKER_00]: You go on to the app on your phone.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you, you know, like, go through the process of registering it, or whatever, saying where you were, or what time it was, what day.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're out of phone service, it'll just wait till you're in service and re register it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's done right then, you don't have to do anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, so they know, is this meant to be so they know what's being hunted through the year?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty much, and it's easier waste than people don't have to go into stores and stuff like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they can keep track of the data more.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have to do what's called like a hunter report at the end of every year anyways.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want to know, did you hunt any days at all, were you successful?

[SPEAKER_00]: What did it look like for you?

[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: We do have, if we shoot a bear, [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty much any predators, a bear, a mountain lion, or a bobcat.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have to take them in and they take a tooth out of them and they so they can go ahead and age it and everything and take a history of it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then they give you what's called a site's tag and they put it on the animal for you.

[SPEAKER_00]: So then it could be transferred or transported.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anything what's going on.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's, you know what, it's amazing.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it's like, is it seem like a giant pain in the ass?

[SPEAKER_04]: Or are you paying in the ass?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if he's paying the ass and it's really not like ever keeping anything go it like Yeah, sometimes I just feel like it's just another government.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just another government check box and we're kind of just like It's a lot a lot of the things we end up happening to do as hunters is just to appease the side that doesn't want us hunting Like it's just like a A compromise within the legislation to be like, well, what if we have them do this little check station and like, oh, okay, I guess we'll be okay with it then [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, hey, you guys are just making us go through some hoops, you know, and kind of making it harder to manage wildlife just because you want to feel good about yourself.

[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder, it's interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: I never thought about how, I'm going to think that everything is all government oversight and bureaucracy is difficult, but I would think that I would think that in, you know, some, if you talk to somebody that are going to say, well, we're making sure that there's [SPEAKER_00]: like massacres that are completely unnecessary you know yeah the thing like hunters man it's like we're pretty self-regulating where like there's no matter why in our like especially our there's not enough game warms go around they aren't gonna see what's going on and so [SPEAKER_00]: You got to have assume guys that are going to be out there wanting the right thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be like, hey, this guy has out here screwing things up for the rest of us and so he's going to get turned in like it's just not A lot of the little checkbox.

[SPEAKER_00]: They have us do don't end up catching anybody right so it's like it's ends up being the hunters that are just like helping out either way so it's busy work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a lot of busy work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you have a matted hunter or a game warden while you're hunting?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, quite a bit.

[SPEAKER_04]: And what do they say?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're cool guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, when you run into game warrants out there, like they're number one thing, is they're just doing a compliance check.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like seeing if you're in compliance, seeing if you're a nice guy, and if you've seen anything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, man, I really don't have too many questions.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've ran into a couple bad apples that are dudes just like, just like cops, you know, like they're certain guys that are out there to seek belt tickets on the highway.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's guys that are actually trying to do something, same thing in the game warrants, [SPEAKER_00]: I've had the seat belt cops, you know, and they're they're annoying, but for the most part, man, they're guys out there really trying hard.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're nice guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: They aren't trying to give anybody any hassle.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think if I was a game where it would be terrified of coming up on an answer, because I would think maybe.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because you, because you never, I mean, only because it's like a guy person's armed, and I don't want to spook him, and maybe I might piss him off because what if I ran off as whatever, and I would just be terrified to just interact with a guy in the field hunting.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he's already a dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if you're dealing with a poacher, there's a known poacher.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy that's carrying a firearm.

[SPEAKER_00]: He already doesn't really care about the law.

[SPEAKER_00]: And he has a little bit of a callousness to take in a life.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like what he's just want to scare?

[SPEAKER_00]: He's willing to step away from taking a person.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this be way scarier than pulling someone over.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a game warden.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's as a prize.

[SPEAKER_00]: The most game wardens you run into are like ex-military.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, who is a who knows a game warden?

[SPEAKER_04]: I sure got to get back and I'd have been breaking his balls relentlessly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Matt Harris.

[SPEAKER_04]: Matt Harris is dead.

[SPEAKER_04]: Matt Harris is dead.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I had him on your years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he said that his dad was a game warden down in Maryland.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he was working with the waterman.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he was like, he was a real game warden.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I remember him telling us these, I said, were you afraid or was he afraid?

[SPEAKER_04]: And he said, he had some rough experiences.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And just to let you know, he is a long-suffering Baltimore Royals fan, and I have let him he has two years ago, these Oriole fans, were letting you have exited great team, the Orioles two years ago were awesome, and it were contenders.

[SPEAKER_04]: But ever since then, they talked a lot of shit two years ago.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're holding on to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we were talking a lot of shit two years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then this past year, not a fucking peep.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was listening to the Yankees, but the last regular season series was to get the Orioles.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I got a thing going with the Bat Stagmer and Harris, because they're both Orioles, guys.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I write to him like you know you're a fucking peep out of you too like I get my balls broken all year long normally Great guys are good and now I got nothing but yeah Harris is dad was uh I don't have to get him back on Harris is dad was a game warden.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, said it was scary [SPEAKER_00]: I bet it would be a scary job, but it'll also be kind of fun job, just, you're out hunting people in the woods.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that he made the point that he was like a better, he was really proud of the work he was doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that's a carousel's a good dude, and you know, that probably comes from that kind of stock too.

[SPEAKER_04]: So what else is going on?

[SPEAKER_04]: Everything else is good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise, family is good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: Been good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Kid just started kindergarten.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's been like the, you know, I feel like we just started this whole stage of life.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're super excited for.

[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's just been fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: You'll be surprised how much easier it gets.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do it seems so busy.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's busy, but you don't have to slap as much stuff the older she gets.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

[SPEAKER_04]: You remember when you used a baby and you got the bag and you got the stroller and you got the other bag and you got the diapers and you got the it was like it was like going on a camping trip.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just go go out of the kid as they got older you went from the big stroller to the umbrella stroller from the umbrella stroller to walking you're carrying less stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have to carry, you know, it gets to the point now when my kid's about to turn 21 and I'm like just over a month and I don't [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I know that it's totally part now it's pre it's like it's presumptuous of me and I'm not just to say I'm done but I feel like I'm done feel like I did it all she's finishing off college next year I feel like I'm done that is crazy to think that she is done with college next year yeah Madness that is yeah because today is like today's the first time we let her just [SPEAKER_00]: and to think that like, here you are at the end of that whole process.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, very soon it's like, man, it seems like a lifetime away from me right now, but I'm sure it's going to go super quick.

[SPEAKER_04]: My kid feels like my kid is an adult when she talks to me, like you can't really talk to her, like, [SPEAKER_04]: a child anymore because you got him smart and it's like the words that she chooses to use in the insight that she has is too good to talk to her like okay Lila is he ready for it you can't do it you got to like all of a sudden you're just like gonna go back off now [SPEAKER_04]: It's great.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can't convince her like backdory like how to do something, they see it coming from a mile away.

[SPEAKER_00]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're tactics have to change completely.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no manipulation anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's she's too smart and I love it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm thrilled.

[SPEAKER_00]: We have to be a little bit scary there now because it's like...

[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like my kid can make any decision right now and it's really no big deal, we can buff it out.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure in your situation now it's like every decision they make can end up being pretty big.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's making big decisions and they scare me.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the big decision is she's doing this internship right now with this organization that helps a lot of really like drug-addicted people and homeless people and this is out in Los Angeles and I do get worried.

[SPEAKER_04]: I do get worried and she used to use her head.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's from like, our town is not an easy town.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the craziest part is our town was tough and her school was super tough.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there were gangs there.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a tough kid.

[SPEAKER_04]: When she got to college, she was just like, the people on the kids I'm in school with are soft as shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're so soft.

[SPEAKER_04]: They wouldn't last a minute.

[SPEAKER_04]: They wouldn't last a minute in my school.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it is hilarious.

[SPEAKER_04]: So she's a pretty tough.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's very, very smart.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's funny because she's very aware of like the upbringing she had was much tougher than the upbringing they have out in this California.

[SPEAKER_04]: These kids are like, [SPEAKER_04]: these kids are ridiculous.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that would be the only thing I would worry for you for your daughter is like, is that there's going to be like this culture shock of like when you deal with, you know, kids who are so soft and it's like, how do these soft kids interact with the rest of the world, which is our big problem right now?

[SPEAKER_04]: Soft people.

[SPEAKER_04]: Our biggest problem right now is people are just relentlessly soft and their softness turns into dessert, you know, that what is it when you feel you feel like you're entitled to things.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then it's just like the crying and the whining and the screaming.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's been maybe fits all the time.

[SPEAKER_00]: And people like we've gone to a point where it's like the baby fits work out for him way too often.

[SPEAKER_00]: like they can kind of throw a fit and somebody comes and still hands in the soccer at the end.

[SPEAKER_04]: You put your on Facebook.

[SPEAKER_04]: You see these people go crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's isn't it are you are you are you we are you surprised as much as I am as people that you want to school with or people that you know or people that you're aligned with and they post this crazy shit and they get into these ridiculous fights for nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: For, for, it's like, it's like, it's like, is there hobby?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's a strange language.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, it's like, they're low-key hobby debaters.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's, but they're not good at it.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're horrible at it.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're not, they're none of them are, that the craziest part is, and I got bless people who don't, they didn't do well in school.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the people who do well in school are the ones who are kicking her ass and like, debate.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, their debate is debate is like a course.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a real course that you have to learn how to be a debater.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can't just show up unprepared.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like, yeah, it's not even a professional debater.

[SPEAKER_04]: Our whipping everybody's asses and people just cry and scream at a holler.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's people, and we also live in a time where it's like, you can just kind of say a lie.

[SPEAKER_00]: And even though you can disprove it, they're like, yeah, but maybe.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but maybe it's still true, right, they'll hold on to it no matter what, you know, it's like we're in a time where it's like there is no right or wrong answer at all, like everything's argued and it's just kind of like what's the point sometimes guys you guys aren't even like going to convince each other of anything [SPEAKER_04]: I see some of friends in my high school who, you know, my age 51, which is should be I have two friends that I hold very in high regard, ones of Wall Street Guide, known for since high school.

[SPEAKER_04]: And another guy is a lawyer in Pennsylvania, high level justice department lawyer.

[SPEAKER_04]: I hold these guys in high regards, you know?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we all talk about the fact that we need to, we need to, [SPEAKER_04]: Act like distinguished people at some point and I talk about some of my high school friends who are like Nine ten, you know memes about this person, you know, or hatred towards this thing or yeah, you know It's this and they just they just live their lives To fight and I and I just look at it and I just I think to myself is this my wife If I did that my wife will have to be a long time ago [SPEAKER_04]: This is how you're going to spend your time.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to fight people, strangers on the internet?

[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, we could, I could do better than this.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and you know that's what their house is filled with is just that talk.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can you believe what she said?

[SPEAKER_04]: Can you believe what he said?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to say something now.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to use like there.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just this weird form of new connection.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like instead of having like actual real conversations or [SPEAKER_00]: When I was a kid and like my dad still is like my dad has no social media or nothing like that So it's like you could hope to his house in the afternoon He's just all in the phone chatting to somebody and like they and it's like now the new thing is like You don't call in chat with people or like talk to the neighbor you just argue with somebody online [SPEAKER_04]: The best is the arguments aren't even well nuanced like no one's like Mark Twain Nobody's like hitting you with a good new shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're repeating things that they've heard From someone else or from a movie [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or something.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so it almost makes it, it almost makes it worse.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have a friend of mine as a lawyer and he writes these like, you know, things about law and stuff like that and they're, they're well written, they're well, I mean, everything about him is just like you read it and you're feel like you're reading an interesting article, you know, they're feels like original.

[SPEAKER_04]: original wording.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you see the people just spewing the same thing that you know you've heard from other people.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you also know that they're using the same dismissive and jv manipulation.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know that's as clearly as it work.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you just immediately know that this is some bullshit that we're never going to get, we're never going to get through.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I always try to like wonder it's like why are they, why is anybody kind of do that?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not even just like political things or, you know, randomly, like people do it and like even just like our blacksmith world.

[SPEAKER_00]: They grab onto this like one belief and they're so, and it's like man, like why what is it about the person?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like with like no backlock on it or anything, we just grab onto like Velcro.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, that's me now.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I believe too.

[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the thing about talented people, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: People who find something they're good at have the subliminal opinion that they're good at this.

[SPEAKER_04]: That means they're good at everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: And a lot of that philosophy.

[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of it is some sort of like, I'm good at making this.

[SPEAKER_04]: That must mean I'm very good at philosophy.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know it's so spot on like all of a sudden and like you're you're I can't say never because I might do it What it was like you're really never gonna see me turn the camera to my face and start telling you my personal beliefs about something [SPEAKER_00]: It's like obviously it's like we both like do a podcast and stuff like that's the time to do it right now Now today's but it's like we're not gonna say me and my stories Right turn this it's like just because I can swing a hammer and make a line with my hammer It does not mean that you should listen to my political Please like or anything other.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it doesn't mean that I'm a good person It just means that I can hit something with a hammer like that's all this means right now like I Am I I [SPEAKER_04]: I think I was listening to some UFC fighter years ago and he was someone who wanted to square up with him and he goes, I don't fight for free.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's how I feel.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to wait.

[SPEAKER_04]: I remember I've said this in many times.

[SPEAKER_04]: This was a weird knife-talk thing where we found there was some guy scamming and doing somebody else's knife and I decided to see what our, you know, the listeners could do and I made this.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had them, you know, I sicked the whole listener on this, you know, scammer or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I found myself preoccupied with the things that I was going to say, and then the things that he was going to say.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, wow, my inner spawn, did he respond?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was such a giant waste of my energy that needed to be spent on the business, or with my family, or with my wife, or with my, you know, or whatever, doing something anything positive.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I could not, and I vowed to myself, I am not fighting for free on the internet anymore.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and now what I do is, somebody says something awful to me, or nobody, no one's ever really said anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: That, I don't get it like other people do.

[SPEAKER_04]: Some people look for it, I don't look for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't look for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But when they do, I bring it to the knife talk.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like you never get to believe with this motherfucker said.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then it's all because, I mean, I got through about between this podcast and that, I got three hours to burn.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like, I need some good material.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's also, it's just never, the arguments in the comments never turn out good or thought, no, never.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, it's fine having like disagreements with people, but it's like, you don't have to get insulted about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, it's almost better to just wait and stew on and talk about it in a podcast or a later.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I do a lot of subliminal messaging in my stories where I'm probably talking crap about something other.

[SPEAKER_00]: I try to put some thought about it and maybe, like, hey, why am I thinking about this this way?

[SPEAKER_00]: Is it logistical?

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it ends up being more beneficial, seems both sides.

[SPEAKER_00]: Am I doing it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a play chess?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, dude.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried a couple of times.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've never...

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you ever see those videos of guys playing chess with like a timer?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: They'll take a move and then they'll hit the timer.

[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like these political debates online, I think you need a timer because these people sit and they, and they, you can almost tell, I even some of them are in my nightfaker blacksmith friends.

[SPEAKER_04]: If somebody says something and then somebody says something in return and they seem a little bit smarter than the original poster.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can almost see that the original poster [SPEAKER_04]: sits up straight, starts using no more contractions.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're done using contractions.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you could almost tell that they're trying to kind of high-level their communication a little bit more.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Make it seem as though they're far more educated than they actually are.

[SPEAKER_04]: It makes me think, no, no, no, no, you spent too much time on this answer.

[SPEAKER_04]: I need immediate, I want the timer.

[SPEAKER_04]: I want the guys of the chest.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to do this.

[SPEAKER_04]: One guy get a timer or just talk online because this, this, the waiting and the thinking and the trying to, you know, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just I can't take it.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so, it's so fake.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fake.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's just a total high school essay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, subject.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, this is what I found online on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, regarding this matter.

[SPEAKER_04]: Look it up, look it up, you know, believe me, look it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: The best thing I think, the best thing I've seen, the best thing I've seen is I've seen three times or so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody says, I can't believe I'm related to you.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's my favorite.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is like that's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that is just like thanksgiving to the suck.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh Dude, that's the best.

[SPEAKER_04]: You don't talk about you here.

[SPEAKER_04]: You've received me feeling worse.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I cannot believe We're all-naded Like a total disowning [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't believe you're in this dumb as what they wanted to say.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I can't believe we came from the same gene point.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's so great.

[SPEAKER_04]: And on the public forum, it's just so grotesque and then they'll say, well, sorry to hear you feel that way.

[SPEAKER_04]: Andy, what you're going to call it?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it always is to it's some ant or something that like you can know it's like you guys have even seen each other in five years Well, you mean but I'm confused.

[SPEAKER_04]: What do you mean by that?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, all right, listen.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got a story.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got to tell you all right So last week was Cliff Duffton's C.J.

[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody knows you know you know Cliff Cliff Duffton got married and it was a wonderful wedding wonderful wedding and He asked me if you could get married to John [SPEAKER_04]: He's listening to this.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a bunch of good ones.

[SPEAKER_04]: There was a lot of jokes about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of jokes about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Sunset Forge was kind of the best man.

[SPEAKER_04]: He did have him read a poem of Shroversha poem.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very short, he don't want people to hear it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm not going to play it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the funny part is he was kept saying she's taken him away from me.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of those jokes.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the answer is yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Cliff asked me if I would cook a Paia for the, like, the, the, the, the, the, the, um, like the rehearsal dinner party and it was what 60 people and I was thrilled.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was thrilled to ask me it's fun to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got this 35 inch Paia pan.

[SPEAKER_04]: He takes two people to carry it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I was a little pot fired up.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the pie of turn I'll find that's not even the story.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a dumb, dumb, what is a pie air?

[SPEAKER_04]: OK, perfect.

[SPEAKER_04]: Pie air is the Spanish rice dish that you cook on a very thin, wide pan.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was meant to be for [SPEAKER_04]: they would cook it for the workers in the vineyards.

[SPEAKER_04]: So traditionally, you kind of, you know, wood on the, you know, from the grapefines from the vineyards, and you cook under that, and they would put this specific rice in the rice is called bomba rice or calispar rice.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a short grain rice, not like arboreo.

[SPEAKER_04]: It actually has Middle Eastern.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, most of the, most of the decent rice in the United States and Europe all comes from [SPEAKER_04]: far more than regular rice.

[SPEAKER_04]: So regular rice, let's just say it's one to one.

[SPEAKER_04]: The bomber rice is just like three parts, three to four parts, liquid to one rice.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like it's it's it's it's great and it's known for it's just you know, throw everything in and it's a great party food and it's a lot of fun that I've been doing it for years.

[SPEAKER_04]: My grandfather used to do them all the time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Part pie it turned out great everyone was happy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the here's the interesting part.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it was originally going to be at this winery On the other side of the Hudson for more I am they where they cleared where they live and then the weather got bad So they said well, we're going to change it to this other winery that they owned each other They the both wineries were like, you know, owned by the same company and the second winery had kind of covering [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so it wasn't a big deal except for the fact that I all of a sudden that the the name of the winery was very familiar to me because my father was a one maker my father was A the a pioneer of white wine in the Hudson Valley in the 70s 80s and 90s [SPEAKER_04]: He actually started his vineyard and at almost the same time as the Culinary Institute of America really started it and they took him in as like, you know, somebody in the food and wine business and they like they look like an angle of it and the New York Times is really trying to push American, you know, New York State stuff and there wasn't a lot of wineries, you know, two hours from Hudson.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he was, you know, a big marker.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was a big marker in the in the wine [SPEAKER_04]: So, I would have been if it wasn't for his wife, there's a very good chance I'd be the wine maker.

[SPEAKER_04]: Easy.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's not a question in my mind.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so, I get a message from Katie, Cliffs' wife, and she said, oh, we're going to go to this wondering.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, I know this wondering.

[SPEAKER_04]: I said, I wonder, and then I started to get like, I wonder if they remember my dad.

[SPEAKER_04]: But Dad's been dead 15 years, so it's like, you know, who knows?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I get up there.

[SPEAKER_04]: I get told who to meet, who to meet, you know, who's, you know, ranging from the winery.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I go meet this young woman.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's so nice and I said, listen, I just had a curiosity.

[SPEAKER_04]: My name is Jeff Fader.

[SPEAKER_04]: My father is a winemaker and her eyes immediately, when she hears my last name and then she hears my dad's a winemaker.

[SPEAKER_04]: I said, man, my dad's been Fader of Clinton Vineyards.

[SPEAKER_04]: Her mouth drops open, her eyes go big.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she's not all that much older than me, or around my age.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she's just like, oh my God, I remember Ben, your Ben son.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then she goes, we've got to go to the winery.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't, I haven't even dragged the bed stuff out.

[SPEAKER_04]: She drags me into the over to the winery where there's these dudes working tubes and they have presses and they're hosing out this and they get tractors, this is a real winery.

[SPEAKER_04]: This isn't bullshit one, it is a real winery.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's this older dude there.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, I gotta introduce you to my father-in-law.

[SPEAKER_04]: So her husband is there, father-in-law's there, and she's there all working hard.

[SPEAKER_04]: She goes, guys, guys, come over here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what this is?

[SPEAKER_04]: This is Ben Fader of Clinton Vineyard Sun.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they're all their eyes open, their jaws drop, and it was as if a ghost had walked in.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the old wine maker is like, who is this tough old guy?

[SPEAKER_04]: The younger one, Makers, is your dad gave me my first job and I remember he cooked tongue for me one day and I'm just like, yeah, that's him, all right.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this is another question and the old one Makers looking at me and he's just like, it's like a ghost while my father walked in.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then it freaked me out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then at the end of the night, the wine maker stayed and he hobbled up over to me and he goes, I just wanted to talk to you to just say hello and your father, what your father meant to the wine business, especially here in what he meant to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we had always had a good time when I saw him and I'm really sorry that he's gone.

[SPEAKER_04]: I said, I really appreciate that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he said, [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of you in him.

[SPEAKER_04]: I see him in you and I'm gotten like goose bumps, and this is like it was not expecting any of this and it was really wild And I go home to drive I go home drive and I'm telling my I call my wife for the kid.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got to believe this They get home.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like she's won't put they Santa pick they're freaking out because they knew my dad They went to some award ceremony that he was at and all this stuff and my wife says you're not gonna believe this.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what day today is and I said what is it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Because this is the anniversary of his death No way.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was the day.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was the anniversary of the day he had died [SPEAKER_04]: It was a craziest, it was like, I got goosebumps.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, I'm not a ghost guy and not, I'm culturally religious, but that's about it, but it was the wildest thing that's ever happened to me in a long time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes, things are just like, and having to like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is two, like, you do happen to correct for it to be an accident.

[SPEAKER_00]: No way this could be an accident.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to think too deep into it, but it was like, it was, no one from my dad's past, it was only because I'd said, if I didn't say anything, no one would have said anything.

[SPEAKER_04]: Funny thing is this is, oh, so this is your mother referring to his wife, and I said, fuck no.

[SPEAKER_04]: That isn't what you got.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got nothing to do with her.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they laughed because they said she is a little intense and like, yeah, that's the beginning of the story.

[SPEAKER_04]: But it was amazing because like they stopped everything because they were talking to me about him and the funny jokes they would have.

[SPEAKER_04]: All these wine makers, especially back in the 80s and the 90s.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was different than the knife makers now, where they were really helping each other.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like the one maker's in the area and I think that a lot of farmers are in the same way.

[SPEAKER_04]: The one makers were helping each other.

[SPEAKER_04]: Guys, track your broke down, borrow the other guy's tractor.

[SPEAKER_04]: Guy needs help with the press, you send over your guys and then you help him with the press.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a really, really like, it was a surreal moment.

[SPEAKER_00]: Serial has a community all hands on decks.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like obviously like your dad had like touched each one of those dudes who've helped ball away through.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it was a, it was a very positive experience which was kind of crazy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the funny thing is I was telling this to John, he didn't give a fuck.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what I was just like, are you going to cook this pie out or what?

[SPEAKER_04]: You're your ghost story.

[SPEAKER_00]: John's like, so are we getting free wine?

[SPEAKER_00]: How much free wine are we getting?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are we going to eat or what, but yeah, that was a crazy story and it was really like, it tore me up for a kind of that tore me up and it was just like, it couldn't stop thinking about it for a couple of days because it was so, and then I called my sister and she was just like, that's crazy, how come you didn't call me sooner?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that's a crazy story, so.

[SPEAKER_04]: do you think you'll you'll go back and visit with those people more um i mean i didn't really i mean it wasn't just like we need to come back we need to deeper i mean i think it was just like i think if i went back again it would probably be like oh he's back [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it would have been like, yeah, what does he want?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, sook, yeah, okay, now we want something, so I don't know, I mean, it was just like it was something that I wasn't expecting, it wasn't expecting this kind of like [SPEAKER_04]: seeing someone from a similar, a pass that I didn't really know too much about.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I didn't really know, I don't, my dad's best friend died, and my dad's best friend held all the keys to all the secrets.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like one of the secrets was, my dad's first wife, nobody knows anything about, like none of us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like we know our name was Gloria, that's about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's, we know that there are a lot of secrets out there.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so when I have the accidental opportunity to meet someone who knew him, it's always just like, well, what is he going to say?

[SPEAKER_04]: What am I going to learn?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was just like, the whole story was crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was wondering, like, talking to the guy again, like, you know, you wonder what he knows.

[SPEAKER_00]: When you first meet somebody, even if you like have some secrets about someone, and they know you're like, yeah, I'm going to wait to, like, especially someone that's past.

[SPEAKER_00]: no one wants to like tell you any dirt right about him because like well the guys gone so it's like you don't want to like ruin their image you know and they're heads but it'd be like interesting to know what you knew you know what I mean I will tell you the worst way to go was we were at my dad's funeral and my dad's best friend who knew were all the bodies were varied he knew all the secrets [SPEAKER_04]: We were my sister and I were talking to him and she was starting to say some things about my father and he kind of held he kind of got he's a older guy to use in this same age 80s and you know or to guy and he just he gets on the elevator and as the doors closing he says your father was a complex person doors close that's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he dies a couple years later and I got, you know, we get zero zero.

[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just like you literally have this movie ending.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was a movie ending, it was just like, you're like, great, yeah, fuck, you know.

[SPEAKER_00]: When do I find the hit the hit no under the floor bar?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's nothing.

[SPEAKER_00]: nothing but it was just like it was almost like the worst way to get I'm not telling you shit dog, you know it's like you know by see light his secrets are dying with him it's almost better though in some man's it is like have a little bit of romance you know what I mean a little bit of your own Indian maybe of that's how I that's how my life is for like most my grandparents you know it's just don't really [SPEAKER_00]: no much about him so it's this like you kind of just write your own little stories sometimes to it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah there's weird the my dad's family's very strange my dad joined the the arm the air force when he was 16 after the bombing of Pearl Harbor okay so he was and he was hit a he is mother was a pacifist she was a so she was a so she was a soo's a crazy socialist too she also had uh uh uh skits of friendia [SPEAKER_04]: Because it's a French socialist pacifist, is wild, totally wild.

[SPEAKER_04]: But she also walked across, she walked across Russia with her sister, baby sister, because she was evading pogroms.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where somebody gets a friend of you.

[SPEAKER_04]: This woman had some, you know, a stout with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he forged your signature or figured out a way that she would agree to him going.

[SPEAKER_04]: So she went, he went and his older brother was on the beach storm to beach of Normandy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And his older brother got a ton of bronze stars for getting, during the streamship Normandy, he captured a German communications spot and then they kind of like, you know, turned it over.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the craziest story was the weirdest part was, is ever since the army, ever since World War II, afterwards he refused to drive.

[SPEAKER_04]: and we don't know why, would not drive.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I would say to my dad, I'm like, don't you think it's weird?

[SPEAKER_04]: Your brother, yeah, you know, since we're two, just won't drive a car.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he says, yeah, it's weird.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that was the end of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we never had a, there's all sorts of these goddamn stories where we were just like, we can't you give us a little bit?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, did something happen?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, why is this guy not driving?

[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this guy not driving?

[SPEAKER_00]: Especially during that time of war, those guys didn't have a lot of explanation.

[SPEAKER_04]: no like they didn't have a lot not like our guys have a lot of support now but it's like they definitely have any support that well these both my dad and his brother were pretty well they didn't my uncle buddy who died and who was in on the beach enormity he was the happy go lucky dude he did have PTSD [SPEAKER_04]: you and at the time it's not driving a car but i mean that's he was still sweet he was still happy he was still friendly towards everybody he was a loving guy i mean i don't think that there was like i mean at the time they called it shell shock but i mean it was like there was no there were no there was no but it was the name buddy says it all he was like the name but he was like one of the like a matching we think in the [SPEAKER_04]: But he was like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was like sweet and loving and kind and he never so asked me to be behind the wheel Yes, do you know Yeah, so that was one thing and I don't know the history of your family secrets and the history of your family is just them I hate them.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to know them [SPEAKER_00]: No, and it's like, it's always so different.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's like these people that are like, they love attaching themselves to the history of their family.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that gives them like reason and like something to build off of.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's people like, I think I'm in a little bit of a group.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, my family history just doesn't even matter.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just in who I am.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm just separating from it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Almost as hard as I can.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even mean like there's, there's just seems like there's just like the two parties there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you're also at the mercy, you're at the mercy of other people's history that you're related to.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it becomes, it can just kind of like flop onto you, whether you have no real, doesn't really affect you except for it's part of who you are kind of.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, especially if you stay near home.

[SPEAKER_00]: You stay where your family kind of was or where anything like that, like yeah, it's gonna hold on to you pretty hard.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have, if you want, I have some weird outdoor news.

[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, would you like to hear a little weird outdoor news?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's hear it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, and when we can discuss it, I know that I know that there's a couple that I think would be interesting, but I want to make sure we get to them.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have authorities warn of Pet Bobcat on the loose in Minnesota.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is and this is recent.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is very recent Authority's Northern Minnesota on Thursday.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is from September 29th Warren the public up beyond the lookout for a pet bobcat that is escaped from its owners The currently sheriff's of Minnesota Department of Reload received report that a pet bobcat escaped Authority's warn that anyone is CD animal should not approach it and should contact the sheriff's office and they give a couple of numbers [SPEAKER_04]: Under state law, Bobcats are classed as a regulated species, and it's generally illegal to keep them as a pet.

[SPEAKER_04]: There are exemptions for accredited zoos, wildlife sanctuaries, but individuals can only own a Bobcat with a permit from the United States Department of Agriculture, Sheriff's Office didn't indicate whether the missing Bobcats own a permit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you wonder if there's any, like, is this Bobcat wearing a harness?

[SPEAKER_00]: or something like, how are you going to ID this one over another one?

[SPEAKER_04]: But you know, you see these like, you see these videos on Instagram and they'll have like, some like, you know, some sweet song from, you know, name your, you know, it's whoever, you'll hover out hard.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the eyes of the angel.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't angel.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then they...

And then they...

I don't know how they do these.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then you see them walk up.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then there's this infant animal on the road.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then they nurse it with some drops.

[SPEAKER_04]: Next thing that turns into a crocodile.

[SPEAKER_04]: Something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just like...

You know, that you're just like...

Are you really supposed to have a pet like that?

[SPEAKER_04]: Does that really seem like a wise idea?

[SPEAKER_00]: They Disney it.

[SPEAKER_00]: They completely disneyed.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one of the like the best like things I ever heard from like an old-time horse duties.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have this way as humans of looking into an animal's eyes and just seeing whatever we want to see.

[SPEAKER_00]: Anthem up anthropomorphic Exactly, it's like so like it's so easy to look at like a bear's then you're like oh, he's so sad and like all that bear's He's like, dude, you got anything to eat Yeah, guys.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: This tapeworm's coming out of me I saw this morning.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a video of a fisherman caught a accidentally caught a baby alligator [SPEAKER_04]: and they're trying to get the hook out and next thing you know they nurse them and then they're he gets he's getting bigger and then as he's getting bigger they out they'll crack it out they're putting uh ears on them and shirts on them and stuff like that and then at the end this woman is holding this fully grown crocodile like she's burping a baby and it's got a harness on and it's got the whole nine yards and you're just like [SPEAKER_02]: It's just one day away.

[SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing?

[SPEAKER_02]: Biting one.

[SPEAKER_04]: What are you doing?

[SPEAKER_04]: We were at my wife and I were at the San Bernard Festival in Manhattan.

[SPEAKER_04]: This guy was walking around with this lizard on his shoulder and it was just like, what?

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think the lizards enjoying us?

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: He needs this.

[SPEAKER_04]: We all need to see you with this fucking weird lizard.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like we already did it.

[SPEAKER_00]: We got dogs, man.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you want some animal that's going to be cool living with you, get a dog or a cat.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot, some of the wild ones, like, people who are ice-ware are just trying to be weird.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they're just like, what's the weirdest animal I can get to draw attention to myself?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, funny that you say that because I have a list of unusual pets that are legal to own.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a good list.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is the dumbest list of all time.

[SPEAKER_04]: So these are animals that are, I want to read them off, and then feel free to ask you what they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: You can own a capi barra.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know what that is?

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: Capi barra is the world's largest rodent, weighing upwards of 140 pounds.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just can live between 10 years.

[SPEAKER_04]: It looks like a giant mix between a guinea pig, a horse.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like a groundhog, thing is horrible, capy barra.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're from South America.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're not I mean, a Serval, it's legal to have a Serval.

[SPEAKER_04]: A Serval is, well, I think you'd like a Serval.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they live up to 19 years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the house of the horse client, she had some weird cats.

[SPEAKER_04]: uh...

servals of the most successful hunters of wild cats making a kill a kill for one every two attempts uh...

most cats can't get in the case chinchillas are legal a wall of roues legal wall roues what is the most relia and it's a mix of a kangaroo and well be well that's kind of cool the funniest thing is all these things have to be caught when they're little [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just like the some dudes out there just met in little babies.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you know what our friend Ben Snorr wants bad is a fox kit.

[SPEAKER_04]: A fox, a baby fox.

[SPEAKER_04]: He wants it bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've he that talked about this for a long time.

[SPEAKER_04]: He wants a fox baby bad.

[SPEAKER_02]: A foxes are a little understandable because like they're almost half domestic anyways.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're cute.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just kind of hanging out.

[SPEAKER_04]: He, he once won in the worst.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anytime I see people with a, I got, so I'm sending in so much shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's sending me so much.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's usually something getting kicked in the nuts, but if I see somebody with a baby fox, it's going straight to him and he goes, I want that bad.

[UNKNOWN]: So.

[SPEAKER_00]: You're guys just feed like the AI was like, man, we would think these were 240-year-old women, but then they were almost like, they send the nut shots in there, they clean it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my favorite videos are the ones where somebody's cutting a tree down and it falls on someone's house.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love those more than anything else.

[SPEAKER_04]: You'll send me one or the scorpion or you know, or somebody falls and their legs go up and over.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I almost touched on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's hard to back of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Alright, so more animals that are acceptable, aoxyl, aoxyl, aoxyl, which is like, looks like a salamander with weird fins, yep, a kinkadju, kinkadju is, sounds like I said some bad slur, but I didn't, it sounded terrible, it looks like, um, [SPEAKER_04]: It looks like a mouse, but it's more like a monkey and a mouse together.

[SPEAKER_04]: They live 20 to 25 years.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love the Pac-Man frog, the horn frog, those are legal.

[SPEAKER_04]: The day goo, which is like a squirrel, a hedgehog, those are legal.

[SPEAKER_04]: And a genet, G-E-N-E-T, you'd like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's like an African cat that looks kind of like a weasel.

[SPEAKER_04]: okay and then a sugar glider you know what a sugar glider yeah those are weird right those are fairly common yeah i hear their common here that they like they have like leprosy too and they like just disintegrate as pets yeah i had a we had a neighbor who was love sugar gliders and they guess they look like a they're like a weird rodent that puts his arms out he can fly but they're like their fingers fall off and it's just a strange [SPEAKER_02]: They're probably pretty incest.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, oh, yeah, probably your got it.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's you.

[SPEAKER_04]: See, you know, this is, this is the animal for, this is the animal for, for, for Ben, a phenic fox.

[SPEAKER_04]: This thing is like right up his alley.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I could see Ben with a fox on his shoulder.

[SPEAKER_04]: I could, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god.

[SPEAKER_02]: They just be very fitting.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, he, he would be like, he'd be like an anime character.

[SPEAKER_00]: And the, and the fox would also drink beer.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, and you see him with that hat on the mustache.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, this fox and his shoulder with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he trains the fox's tail to go around the hat to kind of make the hat even more cool.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: We gotta do whatever it takes.

[SPEAKER_04]: A pig me goat, that's legal.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ball python, bearded dragons, pot belly pig, tarantulas.

[SPEAKER_00]: I will never understand why people own snakes and spiders.

[SPEAKER_04]: those are the weirdest people those are the people who love working at pet stores right?

[SPEAKER_01]: yeah, pet store people how can you handle that smell?

[SPEAKER_00]: just that pine shavings and reptiles shit so it instantly smells like when you walk into like a pet cow you're like wow someone works here all day [SPEAKER_00]: And that's coming from a guy that walks around in a horse farm.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think that the pet co is probably not as bad as one of those like mom and pop pet stores.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I do the mom and pop fish stores.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Jesus.

[SPEAKER_00]: Where they have like 10 like a hundred gallon tanks just everywhere.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just really like this moisture everywhere in the room.

[SPEAKER_04]: I remember one of my close friends who he's to fish with in college, we were trying to get live bait from for fishing and everybody was closed and he says, let's just go to the pet story and get some gold fish.

[SPEAKER_04]: and they were, we were not dressed like goldfish, goldfish buyers.

[SPEAKER_04]: We were just like, we were wearing like, waiters and shit.

[SPEAKER_04]: We look like, there's, and they were like, what do you do to do with these?

[SPEAKER_04]: We like, we need some new pets.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we went fishing with goldfish and I sort of got it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was the best bait of all time I'm sure it was.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that rings.

[SPEAKER_01]: Blashy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my, they're not, if you go into a pond and then you got to be on a goldfish on the hook, [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing gets hit harder.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that brings me to our next topic of conversation, which is top five invasive animals and parks.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm hoping I'm going to try to get you to guess some invasive animals.

[SPEAKER_04]: But you think in the United States we have in the United States and we have Australia.

[SPEAKER_04]: We want to take a couple of guesses.

[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, the carp or the Pike Minow is gonna be on there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't think.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have to look.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let me get to another.

[SPEAKER_04]: I gotta, I got two of them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's go to 10 to 10 most.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: What did you say was the first one?

[SPEAKER_00]: I would think the Pike Minow would be pretty high up there.

[SPEAKER_00]: Asian carp.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the carp.

[SPEAKER_00]: Asian carp, you got it.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most true.

[SPEAKER_00]: man i'm trying to think of like we have the new trio that's pretty invasive that's in there you treat is in there uh...

may i feel like there's going to be a bird in there like starling yes the starlings horrible but and all [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to depends on like it determines to is like I would consider the horse I bought it in our modern day Mustang pretty invasive not what we got going not good.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think you can get there's one a big one that I think you can guess The ball python Florida is not Florida seems to have invaded this list that's surprising but I think that I think that you're a wolf a thousand percent right the [SPEAKER_02]: you don't grow on a blank on it.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's the big one?

[SPEAKER_04]: Swine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Swines are hogs.

[SPEAKER_04]: Serial hogs are big.

[SPEAKER_04]: But like the number one, one of the number ones, Feral cats.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially for like, I was for some reason.

[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that would be an Australia's.

[SPEAKER_04]: that's in both okay yeah no the cats are horrible zebra muscles you know about that yeah yep yep you're being starlings you're being starlings you're being starlings rabbits are invasive species and then they got cutsu longhorn beetles uh small Indian mongus what the fuck country is that oh [SPEAKER_04]: oh no that's for that's Nate it's intro it was introduced to Asia South America and South South American cats are just too good at hunters you can't let some cats go out in your neighborhood like they're just going to wipe things out this is what's happening in Australia this is from an Australia invasive species council cats in Australia have caused more environmental damage to Australia than any other continent in the world I actually think we're [SPEAKER_04]: Cats are believed to be the first to arrive in Australia in 1788 within 70 years they had covered the continent and now are spread across more than 99% of Australians land area.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sadly, Australian wildlife like endangered numbats.

[SPEAKER_04]: The fuck is that?

[SPEAKER_04]: The numbat.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you went B-A-T-A.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have a new, we have a new insult.

[SPEAKER_04]: Listen here, numbat.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think numbats are good ones.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good one for us.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, when we go online on Facebook, there's a fight list near Numbatt, the Numbatt and the night parrots have proven particularly susceptible to pharaoh cats and roaming pet cats, cats are the perfect ones who are being sent patients out on adaptable.

[SPEAKER_04]: What can be done?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll surely need to start your laws.

[SPEAKER_04]: Palaces programs to protect your wildlife from cats.

[SPEAKER_04]: They have killed every year.

[SPEAKER_04]: They kill one billion, man.

[SPEAKER_04]: One billion, sixty-seven million mammals.

[SPEAKER_04]: One year, every year, cats kill 300 and 99 million birds and 600 and 9 million reptiles.

[SPEAKER_04]: These motherfuckers are.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're killing them.

[SPEAKER_04]: They are going BAM on all of Australia.

[SPEAKER_00]: When they're just like killing for fun, like even like cats around and just towns here, it's like they just sit under a bird feeder all day.

[SPEAKER_00]: And kill as many as they can.

[SPEAKER_00]: They barely eat them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Just having a good time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Free roaming cats both feral and pet are highly efficient predators.

[SPEAKER_04]: On the top of over 30 native species of cats that help push into extinction, since colonization including a pig-footed bandicoot and this particular parakeet are now in peril since another 123 nationally threatened species.

[SPEAKER_04]: 9-2 million mammals, 1.67 million reptiles, 1 million birds, almost 25 million frogs, 260,000 frogs, 2.97 million invertebrates.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stats are scary, cattle continue to drive species towards extinction unless we intervene.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of a weird thing that like, I'm fern just some Australian hunters and like trappers on a cigarette and they'll have like, like, how will have like a pile of pictures of animals?

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he also dead animals in a picture and they'll have a picture of like a bunch of cats on people lose their mood.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're not like, like, if I post a picture of cats like a bobcat or something, so they're wild.

[SPEAKER_00]: These cats look like house cats.

[SPEAKER_04]: These are house cats.

[SPEAKER_00]: These are [SPEAKER_04]: And my wife is going to be like, we got to do something about Australia.

[SPEAKER_04]: These people are deranged, but we don't realize it's just like an extinction level of vent going on in the wilds of Australia with these fucking cats.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, but there's such a cute cat.

[SPEAKER_00]: I know.

[SPEAKER_00]: It can't be trusted.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, if you die in your house, and if you have a pet dog, it's gonna be a couple months before we start eating you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got a story to tell you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go ahead.

[SPEAKER_00]: If you die in the house and he's a cat, do you're losing your nose by the next morning?

[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, the woman who got me into the marathon originally was a fixture on the housewives of something something.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she died in her apartment in her Griffin, like a westy, like a little tiny, but started eating on her.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's hungry.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can you get fed?

[SPEAKER_04]: She died in her share.

[SPEAKER_04]: Starting with little dog.

[SPEAKER_04]: Little dogs started whipping up on her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd be surprised I might be a line little dogs can't be trusted either Some little dogs are but cats for sure You just I know people really like them, but they they're scary animal [SPEAKER_04]: And here's another story that's kind of wild.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is, I don't know how you feel about this in terms of, I guess, the idea of invasive species.

[SPEAKER_04]: Two links were captured after being illegally released in the Scottish Highlands.

[SPEAKER_04]: Two links, links, L-I-Y-N-X, those are big bobcats, I guess.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're illegally released in the Scottish Highlands that have been captured overnight and are said to be in good health.

[SPEAKER_04]: The police issued a warning to public on Wednesday evening.

[SPEAKER_04]: Not to approach wildcats.

[SPEAKER_04]: after several sightings near something something.

[SPEAKER_04]: Working alongside the police in Scotland, experts from the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland, he mainly trapped the Wildcats and now being cared for in a quarantine facility.

[SPEAKER_04]: The wildlife conservation charity condemned the illegal release and reckless and highly irresponsible as the other animal welfare groups who warned that it was likely that the pair would have died in the wild.

[SPEAKER_04]: There were calls for whoever was responsible to face the [SPEAKER_04]: Police said inquiries were continued to establish the full circumstances on Thursday.

[SPEAKER_04]: While charities were the fact that the usually shy and elusive animals were photographed in the snowy woodlands by local residents suggests they were used to human interactions.

[SPEAKER_04]: uh...

it's amazing to see the links being captured safely and humanely biosecurity laws mean they can't need to spend 30 days in a suitable quarantine facility so we can transfer them to the wildlife park uh...

it's a highly irresponsible act in very unlikely that it would there was survived due to the lack of uh...

preparations their abandonment was reckless to the animals in the public community nature uh...

just total bucket biology [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these motherfuckers just said, let's put these really wanted some cats in their area, probably, you know, or, or it's like, it happens a little bit on the west side of our states like it's a, a group that like, you know, a group that thinks that there should be those back out there and so they release them like that in the happening with wolves around here, like a group that once wolves back out in the wild, they just kind of take it into their own hands.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't understand, I see, I just, what I don't understand is how people can think of the ramifications of these decisions like, oh, man, it all, I mean, it seems like the thing they like that they're releasing, they don't even think like, yeah, you're probably going to die in the next week.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, think about how difficult it would be to have a couple of links.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then not easy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, let's just say for our human sake.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's just try to see us how hard this came from.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think this was one of the guys who was doing a YouTube video, found a fucking animal on the road and like, listen to health and you're just like, whoa shit, these are not, these are not what we thought they were gonna be.

[SPEAKER_04]: All of them they get mean.

[SPEAKER_04]: All of a sudden they're just like we got to do something about this and we can't just That's probably more along the lines of what it was.

[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just like we need to read Introduce these especially like just being able to catch them that fast right it's like links aren't aren't easy to catch They wouldn't have been two of them if they weren't yeah at all [SPEAKER_04]: They probably like almost maybe on the black market they got them as kittens and then they're just like this is gonna be so cool on our rap album Yeah, sitting next to these little praying links and then somebody was just like dude We are going to the there was a story New York years ago and the craziest part is how this guy had a an alligator in his bathtub a fully grown alligator His bathtub and a full Size tiger and this is a boss part [SPEAKER_04]: And you know how they you know how they caught him because the river of urine that was going down to the second the store that apart from the tiger from the tiger the tiger was like pissing buckets.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is a full size tiger in a small apartment in the Bronx and there's like and somebody was just like bro this is not there's like [SPEAKER_04]: a river of urine coming down the side of the house.

[SPEAKER_04]: Something's got to happen.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they busted in and there's this fucking alligator in the bathtub and a full-size tiger in the fucking on the bed.

[SPEAKER_00]: People love having something crazy.

[SPEAKER_00]: My aunt, when I was a kid, she had a superior tiger right off the back of the horse barn.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of like, I still think it's like a must have fueled my love of cat, like big cat.

[SPEAKER_00]: So like a very young age because it's like the horse barn and then there was kind of like a lean too off the back that was wrapped in cyclone fence.

[SPEAKER_00]: And there was this huge Siberian cat named Shiba back there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: How old was it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was a full size cat and what did what did she do with it?

[SPEAKER_00]: She's beat it whole chickens like in it just kind of hung out.

[SPEAKER_00]: I got a tire swinging there and stuff and then Eventually fishing game found out about it somehow [SPEAKER_00]: and it had to go away.

[SPEAKER_00]: How did you get it?

[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's shout out to shout out to the little stereotypical tiger female tiger name, Shiba.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there was no list.

[SPEAKER_04]: What should we take this tiger?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, I don't know, Shiba.

[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this lady's horses are also very, like, that's Brownie.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little bit of this call, though.

[SPEAKER_04]: I expected.

[SPEAKER_04]: I respect that, like, what does she name it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Shiba.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right, boom, there you go.

[SPEAKER_00]: So she had the triangle name.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she had the tiger for.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, probably, till I, like, I think she had that thing for like six, seven years.

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you remember seeing it?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, every time, like all the time, we went out there quite a bit.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you pet it?

[SPEAKER_00]: No, there was no pet.

[SPEAKER_00]: It took my uncle out of girlfriend and he took her out there to like try to, because he could pet the tiger.

[SPEAKER_00]: like it would let him kind of handle it a little bit and she tried to like introduce his girlfriend to and it bit his girlfriend's finger off off yeah like she had yeah it was all like her ring finger was gone and i i like now looking back is like how did that go with the doctor like what did you tell them of where the finger went and why the finger was not available to be put back on [SPEAKER_04]: And then when she's telling people what happened to your finger, and a tiger bit it off, you have bullshit.

[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Give me a break.

[SPEAKER_04]: Where were you here in Oregon?

[SPEAKER_04]: Shut up.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's any, like, you imagine you and me as a little kid.

[SPEAKER_00]: You'd go to school when you tell people my aunt and the tiger.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, I'm sure your aunt and the tiger.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what happened to that really happened?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it wasn't tell like, lately that like, pictures of started or like floating up from family of this tiger that was just hanging out on the floor.

[SPEAKER_04]: Young Riley, he's learning how to just tell great stories.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's honest and nobody believes in nobody.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody, nobody bought it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Ah, that's terrible.

[SPEAKER_04]: That would be unbelievable if you like coughed up the picture of like the woman with the bloody finger [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'll have to send you, I have a picture of it now, and it's just, like, this family, the dark picture with chain link fence in front of this thing in a barn.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's a comfort.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's a comfort.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the, I need that picture bad.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's unbelievable.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so when the fish, so somebody said something, and I, I would, I would love to know what happened, the fishing game to show up with, like, a whole, you know, a patty wagon and do that to kind of had, like, a plan for it already of, like, hey, [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to be taking your tiger and it's going to go somewhere I bet that they would probably do you think they talked to her beforehand or you think they just never got any trouble for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's amazing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you never got any trouble for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened.

[SPEAKER_00]: And like thankfully the thing never got loose.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like looking back at that is like think man.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is time.

[SPEAKER_00]: We're pretty strong.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, man cocaine is pretty popular back then.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's a real straight-laced, like, work hardwork and lady, but it's like, I imagine...

[SPEAKER_00]: The powder had something to do with this tiger being in the area.

[SPEAKER_00]: You know where else, why else would somebody have a tiger in the 80s?

[SPEAKER_04]: The best story would be if she was like a landlord.

[SPEAKER_04]: In her tent it was like, I can't pay the rent, but I can put this tiger up as collateral.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got this tiger that you can hold on to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well that's what happened to my dad when he moved to his vineyard.

[SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to, at the farm.

[SPEAKER_04]: He wanted to, he was before he started the vineyard.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was trying to figure out what he was going to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then the meantime, before he planted the grapes, this farmer was just like, look, I need a place for my cows to, to, to graze.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can I use your farm?

[SPEAKER_04]: And my dad said, well, I don't want to take care of him, but, you know, you're responsible for him, but sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then the guy left.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the guy left.

[SPEAKER_04]: And my dad got stuck with these goddamn cows and he would say, this was his story.

[SPEAKER_04]: Anytime there was he, he says, I hated the cows and the cows hated me.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he told me these stories and it's just like he got, I think maybe that's what happened in your, your aunt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, just got a left on her.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, give mine a bed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who is your grandmother, your aunt?

[SPEAKER_00]: My aunt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Your aunt?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as my aunt.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sick.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's an insane story.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just tiger in the backyard, right up.

[SPEAKER_00]: And horses in the barn just on the other side of the wall.

[SPEAKER_04]: How freaked out do you think those horses were?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, they could not have been cool with it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.

[SPEAKER_00]: Horses are not cool with predators.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sled alone a tiger.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my god.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not going to get much better than that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we're at in life right there.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to get much better than that.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we're at in life right there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Riley Kirk Patrick is the man.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love hearing these stories.

[SPEAKER_04]: We did a good job.

[SPEAKER_04]: Go follow Riley.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you doing all of his links?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are going to be in the show notes where you're listening to this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Dude, you're the man.

[SPEAKER_04]: I love just shit cutting the shit with you.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I love everything you're doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: And you're just a good dude.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I appreciate the hell out of you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I appreciate you and your friendship.

[SPEAKER_04]: Alright guys, we will see you next week.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks again, Riley.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.