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[SPEAKER_00]: Time to take deeper.

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to MD Wheel Friday's on the Nicole Sandler Show, featuring national security journalist and BS detector, Marcy Wheeler, from MD Wheel.net.

[SPEAKER_00]: Marcy is here to break down the chaos, connect the dots, and probably drop a few F bombs along the way.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is Anti-Wheel Friday's on the Nicole Sandler Show.

[SPEAKER_01]: It is Friday and, you know, this was a longer than usual week.

[SPEAKER_01]: Not just because of the belt that way.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a blue sky.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, no, no, no, you need to get some rest than you're on for Friday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because it's been 10 days.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it has been 10 days.

[SPEAKER_01]: Because we did last week on Wednesday.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we had a, a Thanksgiving, uh, how was yours?

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm doing Thanksgiving tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_02]: I got it cold, so I canceled with my, with one of Derek's aunts, one of my spouse's aunts, because she would be coming from Dublin and has not the best health and now I'm feeling a little bit better, but I have to go and make pie is after we get off and pies and the stuffing.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, oh, so you didn't do the castle thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I didn't think the castle was fine.

[SPEAKER_02]: The food was fine, the pies were better than, I mean, you know, the Irish can do anything with spuds.

[SPEAKER_02]: The mashed potatoes were great, but the rest was sort of fine, the desserts were great.

[SPEAKER_02]: The castle was nice.

[SPEAKER_02]: I went to, I put a picture up.

[SPEAKER_02]: During the day on Saturday, I went to James Joyce's Martello Tower last week, which was super cool.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never been.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have never done Bloom Day, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, a Bloom Day, June 16th, a bunch of people track the path of [SPEAKER_02]: We pulled Bloom through Dublin and I've never done that either, but so I went to the tower and it was cool for two reasons because I do like James Joyce Ulysses and it was super cool being in that tower like I put up a post, I put up a photo of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, of the, [SPEAKER_02]: the bay, the beach, and I was like, what to literary references can you see in the picture because the Martella tower was there, but also one of Ireland's military ships is called the Samuel Beckett, and the Samuel Beckett was right off of the Martella tower.

[SPEAKER_02]: But plus I have this thing about Napoleonic Martella towers for reasons that I don't really need to go into, but [SPEAKER_02]: earlier this year.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this one is preserved.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can go up and see where a famous fight happened on the second floor of the Martella tower and you can see.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, so I went to see James Joyce on Saturday, which is pretty cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: very cool, a lot of history there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on Friday, I was looking through the listings, we, you know, since losing Jackson, my dog, we got in touch with a lab rescue because my husband always had labs.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always had rescue dogs.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we compromised and we said we'd find a dog, a lab that needed a home.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we were in touch with this rescue group and they put out these [SPEAKER_01]: Bolotans, and on Friday we got one, and there was the picture of this dog that it was a gorgeous chocolate lab.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I called the foster, we met him, the dog, on Saturday, and we adopted him on Sunday.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you see him behind me?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's Charlie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Charlie.

[SPEAKER_01]: say hi he's just he's the sweetest thing and that's what he does when i'm on the air he um he just sits in the studio with me he's quiet he's loving he's the sweetest thing so we have a new puppy he's six years old so not really a puppy but he's my puppy so um the best remedy for [SPEAKER_01]: Heartbreak is is another dog.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I highly recommend it.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are, you know, don't don't shop adopt.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are amazing dogs like this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Available at in shelters at rescues and so that's my My PSA for the day [SPEAKER_01]: So it was 10 days that felt like, oh my god, I tuned out for a while because I was, you know, paying so much attention to the dog and getting acclimated here.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it was a hell of a week again.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing I want to say is Donald Trump, I guess gets pissed off when people keep talking [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I mean, it's always protection for him, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Hunter Biden was cropped, but we've got Don Jr.

getting a $600 million account at DOD, and he's not qualified for, we've got Eric Trump, who's well, says gone up multiple times, because he's running Trump organization, we've got the bribery to Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was, [SPEAKER_02]: Richard Blumenthals and Outletters to the people who bribed Trump on the ballroom.

[SPEAKER_02]: And most of them were contentious when they responded, they refused to tell when and how and what.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he did get some responses on the ballroom bribery.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, [SPEAKER_02]: everything's projection with that man, but it is what it is.

[SPEAKER_01]: You also have to wonder about the partners because the partners just this week seem to have exploded and you have to wonder who's getting ridiculously rich off of those.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of the big ones this week is one Orlando Hernandez, the former president of Honduras, who that pardon was a pardon arranged by Roger Stone, who of course needed at least one pardon to keep himself quiet about what Trump did in the 2016 election.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Matt Gates, who of course, nearly avoided charges for fucking a 17 year old.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so, really great guys, and now Donald Trump has pardoned a guy who shipped 400 tons of cocaine to the United States while he's bombing individual guys stuck on boats in the [SPEAKER_02]: Momentum for holding him accountable for this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like one thing I think that Democrats should do.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hate giving advice to Democrats one thing I think Activist should do is call up the Republican and say Obviously you must support in impeachment for Donald Trump for letting a dangerous nargo trafficker leave Yeah, right and they'll say now and they'll hem in highs They've been hemming and high, but like this is so obvious and it's so obvious [SPEAKER_02]: to tie the Republican Party to pardoning a narcotrathic or that if we focus some attention on at the same kind of attention we focused on Epstein, I think you can really begin to hold him accountable for, I mean, like CZ, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Chengjiao also helped fund terrorists, like he helped [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you can't claim to be opposed to terrorists if you're letting their facilitators go free.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the funny story about Parkinson's is so they caught the pipe bomber yesterday.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's eligible for both of Trump's January 6th Parkinson's.

[SPEAKER_01]: because he was at January 6th, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And, well, no, he was there on January 5th.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if Enrique Tatio can get a pardon for attacking the country, having left DC on January 4th, there's no reason that Brian Cole is not eligible for a pardon for attacking DC on January 5th and attending it to go off on January 6th.

[SPEAKER_02]: So what happened was, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, they announced this arrest of a guy from Virginia who happens to be black, and um, um, they tried to see Fox News with saying that the person in question was the Antifa or an inner guest.

[SPEAKER_02]: And when they gave the presser, they were mum.

[SPEAKER_02]: They, they were like, [SPEAKER_02]: We caught the pipe bomber, Joe Biden sucks, Joe Biden sucks.

[SPEAKER_02]: We caught the pipe bomber, but they said nothing about like why he did it And so the guy who is reportedly on the spectrum Apparently didn't lure up before he started talking the F.

[SPEAKER_02]: But be I, and you're beginning to see leaks to people who have ties to actual January six investigators like Ryan Riley is the first one who had this scoop, who, of course, is one of the journalists who covered January six all the way through, and, according to him, Cole.

[SPEAKER_02]: It made it, well, sorry, I think CNN is the one that said he admitted it did it, but according to Riley, he said that he did it because he believed Donald Trump's election fraud frauds.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, so, if you look at the terms of Donald Trump's partens, one is for stuff that you do in the vicinity of the Capitol on January 6.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the second one is if you were pushing election fraud, now we qualifies for both.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the case, like it's my, when the, I did a post about the affidate, and I was like, this affidate that misses a lot of things we saw in every single January 6.

[SPEAKER_02]: Affidavit, which is what was the person saying in the lead up to January 6?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like the last bomb component he bought was in November, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: He was in DC on December 14th, which I'm very interested about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like he was at, he was across the street from where he planted one of the bombs on December 14th, 2020, which is in the wake of it is in the time period of [SPEAKER_02]: people plotting insurrection before Donald Trump actually announced January 6.

[SPEAKER_02]: But for 90% of January 6 are as Trump sends out his tweet on January 90s too high.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say 60% of the January 6 was Trump sends out his tweet on December 19th.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they all go in, they all act as if they have gotten order from the commander and cheese to pack their bags and buy guns.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Many of them didn't just that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Packed their guns by guns.

[SPEAKER_02]: He did buy components for that they found in the pipe bomb.

[SPEAKER_02]: The effort David, like when I read the effort David this morning, I'm like, you know, there's definitely probable cause that this guy did it, but there are a couple things missing, like they don't.

[SPEAKER_02]: say when he bought those funny sneakers that grew up in the video that everyone targeted on.

[SPEAKER_02]: The one thing that they did find are these battery connectors that were released in limited supply that he had, but he had bought in 2019, not in 2020.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like this guy was playing around with with pipe bombs in his house that his family maybe didn't see.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a huge part of the story we don't know, like how did this guy who had no apparent social ties perfectly place these bombs to serve as a distraction for January 6?

[SPEAKER_02]: And so he didn't lure up, he's talking the FBI.

[SPEAKER_02]: The FBI is quickly leaking what he's saying to people like Ryan Riley.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you look on Blue Sky, a bunch of us are like, you know, the reason these leaks are coming out is they're preempting whatever bullshit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because like Kashpital's gonna get himself fucking fired because he just renewed the January six at like he went in front of TV yesterday and said, oh my God, this was a horrible attack.

[SPEAKER_02]: And now we learn, [SPEAKER_02]: That this guy was one of Trump's, like I twice to the gone on Ed Martin is the part of your attorney, and he's a Jan six or himself, and he got all the Jan sixes out of prison.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I keep nagging Ed Martin.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, hey, Eagle Ed, which of the two parts does this guy qualify for?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because is it or is it both Eagle Ed, because he clearly is one of them, and they, you know, like, [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Bongina was asked a passion Hannity like oh you said that this was an insight job up until you became deputy director and Bongina was like yeah but you know then I was an opinion person I was paid to express my opinion and now I'm paid to to to to deal in facts and and [SPEAKER_02]: It's fucking hilarious.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is fucking hilarious because Cash and Dam Bungino have done exactly what they fired 50 FBI agents for doing, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Which was follow the evidence and find out that January 6th was actually a really dangerous attack on the capital, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And so we don't know what'll happen with it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, I did a post the other day called Prepare for Hunger Games because [SPEAKER_02]: Andrew Bailey, who was the attorney general of Ms.

are a terrible person, horrible partisan hack.

[SPEAKER_02]: But a more competent hack than Cash Patel and Dam Bang Juno, got hired into FBI in mid September, basically is a baby city for Cash Patel and Dam Bang Juno.

[SPEAKER_02]: And as of the 15th of December, he will qualify for taking over one of their roles, or possibly in Pan-Bondies role.

[SPEAKER_02]: without having to undergo senate confirmation.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, those of us who've been following this are like, oh, well, somebody's going to get replaced.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's probably, you know, cash.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the reasons we're seeing all of the stories about cash sending FBI SWAT teams to bring his girlfriends, drunk friends home in Nashville.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because somebody once cash ousted and Andrew Belly replaced.

[SPEAKER_02]: And here you have, like, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: Donald Trump said we have to solve the pipe bomber thinking it was going to help his bullshit narrative and now I mean and at the very least it didn't help their bullshit narrative, but there is a non-zero possibility.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean again this guy didn't have a lot of social ties, wasn't in any of the networks that we know of, but nevertheless knew exactly how to place these pipe bonds so it's to be useful for January 6.

[SPEAKER_02]: What if he starts describing, and there are many of us who believe there's more organization to the attack than was ever fully proven, and, you know, Pam Bondi and Kashpatar like, oh, Joe Biden didn't investigate this, I'm like, well, they didn't investigate it, but what's interesting about this guy is either, like, what they showed in the affidavit last night.

[SPEAKER_02]: was not anywhere near as much proof as FBI was showing on regular old January 6 defendant right after I don't know if you remember but they busted down the door of this woman in Alaska and she ended up being the wrong woman and it was a it was a huge embarrassment so especially after that they're like okay we're gonna do [SPEAKER_02]: You know, six months of work to prove that this guy is who we say he is before we best down his door.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the affidavit that we were shown yesterday is nowhere near sufficient to put some, you know, to certainly this high profile of an arrest.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then they arrested him.

[SPEAKER_02]: The prosecutor on the case is somebody named Jocelyn Ballantine and that leads me to be really [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, distrustful because Jocelyn Ballantine in 2020 was involved in Bill Bars attempts to overthrow the map, the Mike Flynn case.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I maintain that she, [SPEAKER_02]: make misrepresentations, material misrepresentate, which is, I mean, that's a very strong accusation about a lawyer to make, but, you know, so for example, she said, well, I talked to Andrew McCabe's lawyer and Peter Strucks lawyer, and they say, Yada, Yada, and that wasn't true at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: She told the judge that it was true, and she told it was a judge that it was true to try and avoid having to confess that somebody at DOJ altered Peter Strucks.

[SPEAKER_02]: notes, materially so that they could try and implicate Joe Biden and him.

[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, I don't trust Justin Johnson Valentine as far as I can spit.

[SPEAKER_02]: She's the prosecutor on this case.

[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, F-bit, you know, I assume that the eye agents are leaking rampantly to get out the news that this guy is a gem.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sixer is a Trumpster is a, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's fucking hilarious, because it's not what Donald Trump wanted, it's not what Dan Bongina wanted, it's not what Cash could tell wanted, and it's happening in the midst of all this other collapse of their efforts.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, now we can talk about Latisha James who's had two good people, yes, yes, that was big news this weekend, you know, you know, you [SPEAKER_02]: previously they couldn't get an indictment against her and now here we go again well they did get an indictment against her the first time one thing that I'm sorry I'm going to put a code in here so that I can look something up but they did get an indictment against her in [SPEAKER_02]: Alexandria.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Virginia is one of those U.S.

attorney offices that has offices in several different places in the district.

[SPEAKER_02]: The actual house that Tish James is being, they want to prosecute her for.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a Norfolk.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's actually a more conservative far more conservative play, but it's a big maybe place, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a far, it is a more conservative jury based than EDBA, but in August, I think they, the prosecutors who are stationed in Norfolk interviewed Tisch James's niece, [SPEAKER_02]: And the niece basically said, I'm not paying rent.

[SPEAKER_02]: And based on that testimony in part, prosecutors like we get a charge this.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then Lindsey, that Lindsey the insurance lawyer, Lindsey Halligan brought the kick.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, partly I think, I don't imagine there are many grand jury's in Norfolk, because it's a very small office.

[SPEAKER_02]: So to get away from the grand jury that knows about the niece's testimony, she charges the case [SPEAKER_02]: in Alexandria, which is where the first time it got charged, Lindsey is the only one in the room.

[SPEAKER_02]: We know from what we've heard about the Jim Cummy grand jury that she turned told the grand jury things that no AUSA who's worried about their bare license is going to have told the grand jury.

[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows whether she said the same things in the first tish james jury grand jury But my guess is that one of the reasons Norfolk refused to indict yesterday So got thrown out a week ago Monday they try and indict [SPEAKER_02]: 10 to 11 days later, Granger is like, no, we're not.

[SPEAKER_02]: My guess is one of the reasons they were used to indict yesterday is that those Granger's likely knew more about how the house was used and knew [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there was a filing, about a week and a half ago, two weeks ago, through weeks ago, it was DOJ's response to Tisch James's claim of selected prosecution.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, look, no, here's the paperwork.

[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, all the right rumors on Shutter were like, oh my god, you know, this is proof.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, actually, no, it's proof that, [SPEAKER_02]: Lindsey Halligan gas lit in a bower, which he told her that, you know, that Tish James was making a lot of money on this house.

[SPEAKER_02]: It confirmed everything that was public, which is that Tish James, it appears that there was a charge in the first year that had to do with the closing on the house and some utilities, but even like, [SPEAKER_02]: to shame spotted is a second home the right wing or so like oh tish james doesn't stay then what you guys to visit i'm like yeah but [SPEAKER_02]: Like you're complaining that she spent more money, but the one hotel charge that they showed in that filing was actually hotel charge tied to the closing, so it's like they all went to a hotel and stayed together at the hotel waiting to get into the home or something like that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of reasons to think the cases even weaker than say the near-time said, which is public now, and you know, if the grand jury looked at those documents that were made public closely, they would be like, [SPEAKER_02]: There's no profit here.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's no, there's no unlawful profit here.

[SPEAKER_02]: So how can you claim that this is, you know, an attempt to get rich, you know, attempt to, because she, she ended up spending a lot more money.

[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, she wasn't charging rent.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like it was a rental property and be everything she did cost her more money, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the notion that, well, it's, she was trying to get off cheap doesn't work because she actually paid more money than she otherwise would have paid.

[SPEAKER_01]: right right no the whole thing doesn't make sense it's that they would not prosecute anyone else for this there's no case there so but the fact that they and they said they're gonna do it they're gonna try again [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they do say that, but the more they try again, the more they'll make a case for select a prosecution.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's already a strong case, but if they go back and try and find another jury, then it's going to be a slam dunk.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you just wouldn't give it up.

[SPEAKER_02]: You were told by Granger, there's no probable cause, the only way you could get probable cause by was by sending Lindsey in.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is not the only possible win that Tish James had [SPEAKER_02]: So the US, the alleged, the make-believe US attorney in Northern District of New York, so Albany, I don't know if he's, yeah, I think he's in Albany.

[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, he is trying to lay the groundwork for an investigation into chess James for her investigation of Donald Trump and to be a criminal.

[SPEAKER_02]: okay and she is fighting the subpoenas on a several on several bases but one of them is that he's a make-believe US attorney like everyone else like Alina Haba like Billiceli like Lindsay Haligan like Chata the Nevada US attorney he's not lawfully appointed and the judge in that case was pretty [SPEAKER_02]: um, amenable to that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then that's make believe you, U.S.

attorney went down to Manhattan yesterday because Mori and Komi, yes, is suing for wrongful termination, and there's this, like, I did a post on this too.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, Mori and Komi, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've been interested in this case because if it survives dismissal, then she's going to be able to ask for the kinds of things that Jim Komi would have asked for if he got selected prosecution discovery.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, tell me about who all knew about the effort to prosecute Jim Komi on bullshit.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I was interested about her lawyer's filed something the other day that laid out why it's really a fundamental separation of powers issue because Trump has gutted the office, the merit systems protection board, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: That you're supposed to go to as a civil servant to contest the way you were fired, they've gutted it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then the DC circuit today allowed him to gut it further.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so her attorneys are like, [SPEAKER_02]: If she was fired by the president or on delegation delegated authority by the president, how can her recourse be to go through the MSPB where the president has destroyed the independence [SPEAKER_02]: So it's actually a super interesting case, and Sarkone, the make-believe US attorney in Albany is the only one who would take that case.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, STNY wouldn't fight it because they had conflicts.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, more income is been around a long time, and nobody, like, EDNY didn't want to take it either because they've worked with her on a lot of cases.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now make-believe US attorney is doing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are all so tangled together and it seems like, you know, this administration on every front is just grasping, so does this affect the Jim Comey investigation or prosecution?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see whether they try and [SPEAKER_02]: charge Jim coming again but the interesting development in that is remember I talked about the fourth amendment violations they made in investigating Jim coming what they had done is back when [SPEAKER_02]: DOJ IG investigated Jim Komi for whether it was improper for him to bring these memos home and leak them.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was a bullshit investigation.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I asked to the IG at the time, I was like, why didn't you investigate this politicization?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you were given these memos, why did you not open an open investigation in this politicization into this violation of context policy?

[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, um, [SPEAKER_02]: As part of the DOJ-IG asked Richmond to consent to share his computer so that they could be sure all of the classified documents were gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then using that computer, the FBI investigated him.

[SPEAKER_02]: for they thought leaking information about Jim Cummie's decision to not charge Hillary Clinton.

[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't find evidence for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Then they investigated Jim Cummie for whether he had [SPEAKER_02]: Unlawfully converted to his own youth government documents, the logic being that by leaking those memos, he was and then so that's all that all goes on in 2019 in 2020 under Bill Barbell bars Like I'm gonna go investigate Jim coming he tried a bunch of things and got nowhere but in doing that the FBI got a bunch of warrants and those warrants were like you can only seize X, Y, and Z [SPEAKER_02]: everything else, you have to seal and not access.

[SPEAKER_02]: And also, you need to protect not just attorney Klein privilege, but all of Richmond's sensitive, because, you know, sensitive communications pertaining to his Columbia students, and [SPEAKER_02]: Either then under Bill Barr or in the interim, my guess is actually in the interim.

[SPEAKER_02]: They took that data, all of that data, and they just made it a big pool.

[SPEAKER_02]: So when they went back to investigate Jim Komi this year, they were swimming in everything.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they sort of knowingly accessed attorney-client communications.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so Jim Komi was challenging that.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, you know, we're gonna throw at all the attorney-client communications.

[SPEAKER_02]: And prosecutors were like, [SPEAKER_02]: you don't have a privacy interest in those communications they belong to Dan Richmond.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that argument would have worked for some of what they were going to use against Jim Komi but not all of it, but two days after [SPEAKER_02]: The judge dismissed the indictment against Jim Komi, Dan Richmond, went to D.C.

and said, I want my property back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Give me all my communications back.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need any more.

[SPEAKER_02]: Jim Komi has been the the case against Jim Komi has been dismissed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Give me all my property back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so if he, if a judge even puts a hold on people accessing his material until that's resolved, then they really have no evidence against Jim Komi, not for the things that they really want to go after Jim, they want to go after Jim Komi for three things.

[SPEAKER_02]: They want to go after Jim Komi.

[SPEAKER_02]: One, because they believe falsely that he saw this referral from the CIA, and he should have never signed a face of warrant using the still dossier, had he read that referral, which doesn't say what they think it does.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's one.

[SPEAKER_02]: Two, they want his role in putting the dossier into the intelligence community assessment, and three, they want his decision to leak that one memo, which led to the [SPEAKER_02]: not led to the appointment of Robert Mueller and in Trump's mind really terrible things, because he couldn't sell out the country to Russia in 2017.

[SPEAKER_02]: He had to wait until 2025 to do so.

[SPEAKER_02]: So, anyway, Dan Richmond is doing to get a stuff back.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if that even stalls things, it's going to make it a lot harder to indict.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the statute of limitations is done anyway, [SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise we'll try and indict him in Florida.

[SPEAKER_02]: There is supposed to be a new grandeur opening in front of Alien Cannon on January 12th, at which point they might try and indict him there for a conspiracy that continued through 2023.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if they can't get this evidence, [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be hard to indict it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and then there is another, you know, prosecution, I guess, in the works with John Bolton, is anything happening without one?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that has more merit to it because he really did do like this is the thing is people in the White House do this all the time.

[SPEAKER_02]: They, they basically write diaries of their time in the White House and then they write books after they leave the White House and he did whatever one else does.

[SPEAKER_02]: He sent those diaries home to his wife and daughter and D.A.J.

[SPEAKER_02]: claims there's classified information in it.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's interesting is, then you're around Hackedham.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so he went to the FBI and said around Hackedham and then the FBI started investigating the Iran Hacked and found that there was classified information in there.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's where that case started from.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I wrote at length in response to the Joe Biden [SPEAKER_02]: Reagan during Iran contra was not held accountable for his diaries in which he wrote classified information and kept it at home.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Joe Biden, when he was being investigated, he was like, [SPEAKER_02]: I did what Reagan, like there's a Reagan precedent that I had every expectation held for me too.

[SPEAKER_02]: And John Bolton is going to be able to say the same thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they explicitly call them diary.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a diary exception for people who live in those in those worlds.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the idea, I think.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to like it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a legitimate case to build against him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we wait for that to play out.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you do have a big piece up on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's more about like the more interesting thing about Bolton's case is, and what I did with Outpost is that remember Trump was hacked by Iran last year.

[SPEAKER_02]: and there is almost certainly continuity between the people who hack Bolton and the people who hacked Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: So for some time I've been trying to figure out why, like, why that, why no one is showing that continuity.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what's interesting to me is, [SPEAKER_02]: The indictment on the hack and leak regarding Trump describes that the hackers tried to do with the Russians did in 2016, get journalists to publish it, get Kamala Harris to publish it, get other people to publish it, then this year after the Iran bombing, they tried to sell them.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which is how I learned that the lawyer in question who was targeted was not Stan Woodward.

[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually Lindsay Hulligan and but one of my questions is they tried to extort John Bolton the hacker's stiff.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh really okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so did anybody try an extort Trump probably [SPEAKER_01]: right right well now seems like a pretty good time to take a short break and then come back for round two because there's a lot more to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's Marcy Wheeler.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much on Trump, but it seems like nobody is taking him on obviously he's a sitting president.

[SPEAKER_01]: So for a number of reasons I guess they're afraid to.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think probably the biggest.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, one of the interesting things about this week is the number, the, the sustain stories about how everyone hates Mike, Mike, my John Johnson, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Marge won't go to work anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't show up at all this week.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the other women, [SPEAKER_02]: are complaining about how Mike Johnson deals with him.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, surprise.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're your party sucks for women.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry that they don't like the most talented people in the party, but I'm also a little bit glad about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, but, uh, but.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what's going on.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one, for most people in the United States, the economy sucks, it's going to suck worse, and especially until Trump fought in until it's print court, overturns his tariffs.

[SPEAKER_02]: Trump's not helping Americans at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't give a fuck, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: He gives a fuck about paying off his debts to the, to the oligarchs.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, [SPEAKER_02]: The health care, I know a lot of people think that Democrats played the shutdown poorly, but Democrats are gonna try and push a three-year extension to the subsidies for health care.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably gonna fail.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's 36 people, including about enough Republicans to pass in the house who want subsidies.

[SPEAKER_02]: If that goes through on a dispatch petition, discharge petition, it could get a vote, in which case we'd go to the Senate, but the Senate doesn't want it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's a very, you know, Mike Johnson is sort of like doing what Republicans have been doing for 10, 15 years, is saying, oh, yeah, I'll find a better healthcare plan next week.

[SPEAKER_02]: and there's two weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no sign that that's going to happen and if that doesn't happen then on January 1st people are going to start paying a huge part of their income to health insurance or dropping their health insurance entirely.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the terrible thing, but it's also going to be a terrible thing for the Republican Party and then Captain Bane lost in the Tennessee, the Nashville [SPEAKER_02]: And she lost by nine points.

[SPEAKER_02]: So wasn't as close as for a moment that it looked like it would be.

[SPEAKER_02]: Republican spent $3 million on that race.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, Democrats spent probably two.

[SPEAKER_02]: But what was interesting about that loss is she lost by nine in a plus 2022 district.

[SPEAKER_02]: Does she close the gap by 13?

[SPEAKER_02]: But she did, so all the other specials would Democrats are overperforming.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're overperforming on low turnout.

[SPEAKER_02]: So another word that's what's happening is their base is more enthusiastic.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so that results in more Democrats coming out to vote.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why they're overperforming in those races.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here, Bane overperformed.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the turnout is what we expect.

[SPEAKER_02]: next November, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: It was a huge turnout.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's got, I mean, that, like, it's that somebody smart say, you know, if she had won, then everyone would have been in Trump and Johnson, that she lost leads everyone to decide to retire, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: right so well and then this ruling comes down i think it was just yesterday from the the supreme court they said that texas jerrymandered maps can be used in the midterm's next november but this could very well backfire on them right and texas at very well could because what they did is they took the latinos who voted for [SPEAKER_02]: And he claims he's going to remain a Democrat.

[SPEAKER_02]: Republicans were pissed off about that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pissed off about it.

[SPEAKER_02]: He came Jeffries on.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to correctly said it's thin charges.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing that to keep the seats.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I get him.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's cynical and gross.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if that makes a difference, if that gives him another body as [SPEAKER_02]: Speaker in 2027, then I get it, but I'm not a fan of Henry Quayer.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a fan of that kind of corruption, but yeah, you know, in that area of Texas You've got a lot of Latinos who have been voting Republican and and they've turned on Trump and so those districts are not going to be as safe as people think [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, and the other thing about the Supreme Court ruling is important for this reason.

[SPEAKER_02]: When the judge reviewed what happened, the judge was like, this started as a partisan issue, in which case it'd be totally legal.

[SPEAKER_02]: But then Hermite Dillon, who is the civil rights assistant attorney general, and she's basically, she is her parents were immigrants, but from India, but she has turned the job into a, you know, a firm of action for white people job.

[SPEAKER_02]: and she sent a letter which was just a catastrophe and made it clear that she was then it was all about race.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so the judge in Texas was like this is all about race and that makes it illegal and then the Supreme Court said oh it's about partisanship which it started as being but then it turned into being race.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I didn't read the full descent, but Alana Kagan was like, look, you know, you read this long document over the weekend, you like, how are you supplanting?

[SPEAKER_02]: the decision of the judge of the original judge who read everything and read the harming dill and letter.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the way I figure it is when when Texas first redistricted, we all assumed that it was rock salad because it's Texas, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And so we just put those five seats into the gone category.

[SPEAKER_02]: In yesterday's decision, Alito and somebody else, like there were three [SPEAKER_02]: Meaning the the net result of what happened yesterday is Texas is redistricting survives California survives [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a net, except when you factor in that the districts with all those Latinos may actually vote for Democrats next year.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, which is what Jasmine Crockett said, she had a good state.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she did, yeah, and she's saying this Supreme Court did not say that these maps are fair, you know, this was a shadow docket ruling.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have any written statement on it or anything.

[SPEAKER_01]: She said, they did not say these maps are constitutional, they did not undo what the lower court found.

[SPEAKER_01]: All they did was allow maps that the lower court flagged as discriminatory to stay in place for now.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she said to every politician celebrating this decision, let me offer a word of caution, don't get too comfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Those maps were drawn like political Russian roulette, slicing districts, tightening margins, and assuring voters wouldn't fight back.

[SPEAKER_01]: When you push district lines this far, you're disclosing the very seats you thought you had locked in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right, she's smart woman.

[SPEAKER_01]: But now her district, though, is gone.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she's talking about running for Senate.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's the polling on the Senate race is really confusing.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she does lead in the Senate, um, yeah, I mean, who knows?

[SPEAKER_02]: Who knows?

[SPEAKER_02]: I like, who knows?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the, you know, and then Derales, Deralisa, for a brief moment, Trump was trying to talk by said and to running in Texas.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I said was like, no, I'll, I'll, I'll try and keep my district.

[SPEAKER_02]: because his is one of the ones that was targeting California.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's badly as the Texas ones, but nevertheless, I'll be happy to see derelicts have voted out because I used to live right in his neighborhood, but I used to live the next district over.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and if people don't remember, you know, I was surprised you ever got back into Congress because he is a fucking criminal too.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're all criminals.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, speaking of criminals, let's talk about the murder books.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, so boy, um, and you, you have a great post, basically putting together the events of the last couple of months, and what led to this, um, what, what do you, [SPEAKER_01]: What did you call it?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, signal gate.

[SPEAKER_01]: This chat's kind of dead.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the one where, I mean, it started p-texats.

[SPEAKER_01]: fall from, I don't think you ever had grace.

[SPEAKER_01]: But you kind of laid it all out and put it all together.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where is it?

[SPEAKER_02]: I think the second talking about his earlier, it's like on Eva V.

Legal Venezuela and about that's the one.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I did point out that Pete Hegseth who judges his power by lethality took four shots to sink in unarmed murder boat.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is the post I'm referring to.

[SPEAKER_01]: But again, this is all involves Pete Higgs-Seth, who I'm amazed he's still standing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean Republicans are terrified, but [SPEAKER_02]: uh...

wicker yes wicker uh...

senator wicker did partner with jack read to investigate signal gate and that came out the other day and then he partnered with jack read to investigate the murder boats and i think that um...

it's clear that [SPEAKER_02]: Good.

[SPEAKER_02]: If it goes well, it's going to, I mean, they're, they're, you know, like, uh, Washington Post said, well, we killed two people who were basically helpless.

[SPEAKER_02]: Republicans came out of yesterday's briefing and said, ah, no, they were coming after us and then Democrats came out and they're like, no, those people were pretty helpless and it's pretty chilling that they were killed.

[SPEAKER_02]: The thing that's important to remember is they were two murder bird shots after that [SPEAKER_02]: And in those cases, and one of those cases, the Navy themselves rescued them.

[SPEAKER_02]: In another case, it's not clear what happened to the survivor, but there was a survivor.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he was left to sink on his own, which is just the same.

[SPEAKER_02]: But there's enough pushback against Tegseff for these things that now became clear that the guy who wasn't charged was basically pushed out because he didn't want to do the legal murder [SPEAKER_02]: And the point I make, though, is at some point somebody's going to come up with a price tag for these murder boats, and the price tag is going to be astronomical, because these are reaper drones, and they may cost six figures a piece, and it costs four figures an hour to run the drone, so you're talking really expensive efforts to take out murder boats [SPEAKER_02]: It's better if you just collect the people and get intelligence, but Donald Trump and Pete Heggseth and Steve Miller believe that doing things the stupidest way is good for America, and so they continue to choose the stupidest way.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it provides, you know, like the way I think of things is every time you can get some friction within the Republican party, it's good to do so.

[SPEAKER_02]: Here you have Wicker who is never a fan of Hagsah, who is willing to exercise this oversight.

[SPEAKER_02]: And at the very least, I mean, [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what happened when Wapow came out with their story about the second strike is, at first, DOD was like, no, it didn't happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then, they decided that they were going to admit to it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And as soon as they decided, they admitted to it, they're like, but I'm not in charge.

[SPEAKER_02]: Some other duties in charge.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the kind of thing that really will make people below you not want to play around anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one of the things, like, [SPEAKER_02]: They do have an LLC memo that sort of says you're not going to get prosecuted for the murder boats, but one of the things people like I did a lot of reporting back in probably 2009 on a guy named David Pissaro who was the only one the only DOD person, sorry.

[SPEAKER_02]: The only CIA person, he was a former DOD special forces who dealt a force who was working for CIA, and he allegedly assaulted a guy during an interrogation the guy died, and he went to prison for it.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's the only one who went to prison for it in that side of the torture program, but what's interesting about him is he knew about the OLC memos [SPEAKER_02]: authorizing those torture positions and he had them in a brief case before he was arrested and they took the brief case away from him and they did a number of other things that disillusioned me that made it impossible for him to get to communications he knew existed that authorized that conduct and you know it's a lesson people should go back to because [SPEAKER_02]: If you don't have access to that memo, it's not going to help you.

[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be in David Persaro's boat and you're going to be in his case, they needed a fall guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was arrested in 2004 and they needed a 2004, 2005.

[SPEAKER_02]: They needed a fall guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: DOD needed DOD CIA.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like this was in the wake of [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so they needed some, they needed, yeah, they needed to prove that they were actually prosecuting somebody.

[SPEAKER_02]: So he was the, he was the fall guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm now saying what he did was good.

[SPEAKER_02]: What I'm saying is, which brings us to the guy who killed the National Guard, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that guy was recruited as a 15 year old to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's awesome, basically, for the CIA, for the CIA.

[SPEAKER_02]: Same kind of stuff that the Sahara was doing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And 15-year-old, he's recruited.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they sort of had to bring him to the US because you can't leave him around because then he's going to...

[SPEAKER_02]: you know, be a witness in a war crimes trip, you know, but also, you know, it is true that those guys helped the US get out in 2021.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they bring them to the United States.

[SPEAKER_02]: He has, you know, in the same way that especially special forces guys, but there was a marine sniper who shot up [SPEAKER_02]: Cape Fear, some bars and Cape Fear from his boat in September.

[SPEAKER_02]: There were two former Marines, the guy who burned down the Mormon church in Michigan, former Marine, although he wasn't a combat Marine, but then there was this case in Cape Fear, North Carolina where this guy just started shooting people in a bar.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that guy, similar kind of thing, he was an Iraq veteran, comes back, he's very disturbed, everyone around knows that he's very disturbed, like this Afghan, and the Afghan in question called the CIA and said, I need help because I can't even get a job right now because of the way the visas are working.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what's important about his story and what Republicans are trying to run from is that [SPEAKER_02]: Trump's the one who gave him asylum, and John Radcliffe's CIA is the CIA, the blew him off.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so those are the precipitating.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, now he was having problems as early as 2023 with the transition, but it's like it's the same thing that you find in special, you know, like he was basically working with special forces people.

[SPEAKER_02]: and CIA paramilitaries, and you find this in all of these people that they undergo a lot of trauma and come back with a lot of demons.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't address those demons, those demons are going to explode.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not an Afghan thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's not an immigrant thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is a Spencer Aquaman had a good post on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is a American war on terror thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we need to do better at pushing back against Republicans, claiming this is about an immigration thing because it's right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so back to, you know, the murder votes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, head Seth is trying to throw Admiral Frank Bradley under the bus.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's the one who actually made the call.

[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even stick around after the first strike.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is such a fucking coward and it like this is the thing if I were in the military I'd be so furious because not just that, but then signal date comes out from the signal gate report We discover that one He managed to talk that like my guess as DOJ IG was just [SPEAKER_02]: walking a tight line between getting fired or not, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Because he learned about other communications, head chef was carrying on on his phone with people who weren't cleared, including his wife.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be more of a problem because it was knowing sharing of classified information.

[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, well, I'm an original classification authority, so it doesn't matter that I put this secret information that could get people killed in a signal chat where there happened to be a journalist because I declassified him like, no, the point is that you put people at risk.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he wouldn't cooperate, he wouldn't sit for an interview, he wouldn't, like I said, he wouldn't turn over his phone to the Inspector General.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was totally a cover-up, and the worst part of that report is that it was totally a cover-up, and like literally understand the P-Tag Seth replaced the press core, yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: for this moment, Laura Lumer in advance of the report was like, oh, I had a special interview and they say that he's completely exonerated and he did that specifically so a bunch of fucking writing trolls would undermine the clear case, which is that he doesn't give a shit about the troops that he is a loose cannon, that he can't manage his own behavior [SPEAKER_02]: protect himself.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the last thing you need in a Secretary of Defense, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Will people, you know, will it pick up steam?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Will it make it a lot harder to do the Venezuelan invasion?

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was a great CNN interview of Tom Cotton.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you happen to have it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can pull it and just say I have it somewhere where Tom Cotton, you know, it's actually a really important interview because Tom Cotton was doing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I actually have a phrase called a cotton swab, where it's like a cable news thing where people like Tom Cotton kind of was one of the early adopters, JD Vance is brilliant at it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have to back to sick, okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: One of the cowardly things that Higgs F.

tried to do was say, look, here's what I had on my phone.

[SPEAKER_02]: And because there's an extra text beyond what the Atlantic published, I don't think you can consider the Atlantic texts reliable, now that extra text, it's hilarious, fucking hilarious.

[SPEAKER_02]: The moment after [SPEAKER_02]: Jeff Goldberg drops off.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you drop off a signal shot, it says Jeff Goldberg left the track.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it says Jeff Goldberg leaves the track.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this break.

[SPEAKER_01]: This I have this.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this I have this I've right there.

[SPEAKER_02]: So there's this brick, this child's kind of dead, anything going on, and it's like such desperation.

[SPEAKER_02]: And me, well, it's January, it's like a Rubio, it's got the scent, starts deleting, M-A-R changes his name, John Rattcliffe changes his name, Stephen Miller changes his name, and so this moment after, [SPEAKER_02]: Jeffrey Goldberg, after they realized they're in trouble.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And J.D.

[SPEAKER_02]: Vance has so little sensies like, oh, guys, what happened to my, you know, my fun, my fun game?

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's make a joke out of this.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like his insecurity like, oh, where did all the cool kids go?

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the cool kids realized that we just fucked up majorly and this is going to blow back on us.

[SPEAKER_02]: But he was too dumb for that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's just his his judgment is he doesn't have any.

[SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't he's he doesn't know what's appropriate.

[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, you know, it trickles down.

[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't find this Tom Cotton thing right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Where is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll find it later.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll post it with everything else.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it seems like things are coming together on Hegseth.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then the thing yesterday, the members of Congress all got to see the full video of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when he came out, he's changing his story so many times [SPEAKER_01]: the dear leader session the other day, you know, again, he's making shit up and trying to, you know, blame the admiral.

[SPEAKER_01]: This is where he changed his story here.

[SPEAKER_01]: I do have what he said at that meeting when Trump couldn't keep his eyes open.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.

[SPEAKER_05]: Now the first couple of strikes, as you would, as a leader would want, you want to own that responsibility.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I said, I'm going to be the one to make the call after getting all the information and make sure it's the right strike.

[SPEAKER_05]: That was September 2nd.

[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of intelligence that goes into that building that case and understanding that a lot of people providing information.

[SPEAKER_05]: I watched that first strike life.

[SPEAKER_05]: as you can imagine at the Department of War we got a lot of things to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the 40 minutes.

[SPEAKER_05]: I decided exploitation digitally occurs.

[SPEAKER_05]: So I moved on to my next base, a couple of hours later I learned that that commander had made the, which he had the complete authority to do.

[SPEAKER_05]: And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat.

[SPEAKER_05]: He sunk the boat, and eliminated the threat.

[SPEAKER_05]: And he was the right call, we have his back, and the American people are safer, because Narcone Terrace, no, you can't bring drugs through the water, and eventually on land of necessary.

[SPEAKER_05]: To the American people, we will...

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just as spickable, just seeing we've got his back, but while he's throwing him under the bus.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, and both CNN and Washington Post this week had good summaries of the changing story.

[SPEAKER_02]: I linked to CNN one and one of my posts.

[SPEAKER_02]: Good summary of the many times what they've said about these things have changed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he's such a coward and so, so I have to go to the National Security Strategy.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do a little European moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: Three things happened in European American and relations today.

[SPEAKER_02]: Today, yesterday and today.

[SPEAKER_02]: First, the Lensky came to Dublin.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we have a new President in Dublin, of course, plus our old Prime Minister, who sort of sucks.

[SPEAKER_02]: But regardless, the Lensky came.

[SPEAKER_02]: as he was his plane arrived early okay and there were three military missiles that targeted his planes [SPEAKER_02]: original approach.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if he had not shown up early, he might be gone.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is interesting because Ireland, of course, is a neutral country.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ireland has, it's boats, it's ships, it's military ships are named after Samuel Beckett and James Joyce.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's great.

[SPEAKER_02]: But they're like, [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we take neutrality seriously, but we're also like the weak left flank of Europe.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we almost got the Ukrainian president kill the other day because we're a very weak left flank.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it, you know, Russia has, it's, it's, it, it, we don't keep out the Russians very well.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyway, so that happened.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, another thing that happened is that the EU find [SPEAKER_02]: some million dollars, two couple hundred million dollars.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, some change for Elon Musk, but they're all squealing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they're squealing, and they're pretending this is a first amendment thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's a free speech thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: What it is is that the Digital Services Act in the EU says, you have to have transparency.

[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, it also says that you can't host Nazis, but shitter kind of got around that restriction based on pretending they're not as big as they are.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the EU, find him for not releasing data on its advertising, not releasing research data to researchers.

[SPEAKER_02]: Remember, he started charging a million dollars for that, so they're saying you have to, those are two transparency issues in the third thing they find him for is, [SPEAKER_02]: The fucking blue checks because the blue checks lead consumers to believe there's some kind of verification going on and of course there's not and so that's what the fine was about but there are Whaling about it and climbing it's a free speech thing including Brendan Carr meanwhile The National Security Strategy that was released overnight [SPEAKER_02]: Let me go back.

[SPEAKER_02]: There was a financial time story the other day saying that Donald Trump is not retaliating against these massive hacking attacks by China on both U.S.

companies and the government because it's afraid of pissing off shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and the reason it's afraid of pissing off she is because Donald Trump picked a trade war and lost and now they need to find a way to not piss off she any longer or else the lose access to rare metals right and so [SPEAKER_02]: And that was in the financial terms.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they said that Steven Miller is, a few of the Steven Miller and Scott that sent to the two people who are going easy on China.

[SPEAKER_02]: So go to the National Security Strategy.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the National Security Strategy basically says, we're going to invade the rest of our hemisphere, Western hemisphere.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're mostly interested in Asia for shipping routes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we are going to protect Nazis in the EU.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's my short version, and also we think Europe needs to get up.

[SPEAKER_02]: We need to give up on its concerns about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

[SPEAKER_02]: And this is honestly what I have been expecting since December, you know, Donald Trump ran on saying he wasn't going to share intelligence with the EU anymore, and from that point we should have always assumed that Donald Trump was going to trade out.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to be, he doesn't want to be part of the Western Order anymore.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't believe in, he doesn't believe in free speech.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't believe in human rights.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't believe in journalism.

[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't believe, and so I will read the National Security Strategy over the weekend and do a piece on Monday or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the short version is that [SPEAKER_02]: Donald Trump says Russia's our friend, Europe is not.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna invade South America.

[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not gonna piss off China.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, it's stupid anyway.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm glad, like in Europe, people in Europe are like, well, I guess we know where we stand.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's really overdue for Europe because Europe needs to find some ways.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm glad Ireland is going to have a very difficult time [SPEAKER_02]: Trump starts saying, we will make Facebook withdraw from Ireland if you don't let them foster Nazis.

[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody is in Ireland.

[SPEAKER_02]: Google, Facebook, Shitter, they all live in Ireland, and Ireland relies on them for jobs.

[SPEAKER_02]: Ireland has some of the best, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: affluence in Europe right now, at least on paper, not a lot, you know, there's there's increasing well, I shouldn't say that because there's so much less economic stratification in Ireland than there is in the United States, but it's increasing and there's a housing problem in Indiana.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I've been saying for years that Shitter was built, they are using Shitter to foster [SPEAKER_02]: And Ireland is going to be at the center of that that's how that's why they are misrepresenting this DSA fine and trying to claim it's about free speech.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now the National Security strategy, whatever, it's stupid.

[SPEAKER_02]: When one of the things that they did by withdrawing USAID is they, you know, they withdrew a lot of South power that we had in South America.

[SPEAKER_02]: Both South America and Africa, China has been building its own South power for very long time.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so one of the reasons Donald Trump is so angry that he couldn't bring Lula to heal with Bolsonaro is that China is going to support them.

[SPEAKER_02]: China is probably going to support Ecuador.

[SPEAKER_02]: China is going to support a lot of these other countries.

[SPEAKER_02]: And China has a head start in South America, and also what China's doing doesn't come off as a green go, doesn't come off, you know, like, and, you know, if Pete Heggseth needs four strikes to take out a murder boat with the strongest military in history of the world, that says that there was a piece in the AP today about the bombing attack on the Houthis.

[SPEAKER_02]: in March actually that we started with the signal gate thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they said a lot of the fuck ups there were problems with deployment problems, with leadership problems, stress, it was an impossible deployment.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so you are seeing a degradation of America's capabilities under Pete Hedgsess and confident leadership.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the notion that the United States is going to invade, we're just going to invade South America.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's going to be successful.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that is, by the way, why they freed the Honduran former president.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that that race has been called, but they did that because in Honduras, there's a freedom city, a Peter Teele, a freedom city, like I kid you not.

[SPEAKER_02]: And so this was part of Roger Stone's great plan, probably, [SPEAKER_02]: Dramptop with the help of Paul Manafort, who is doing business down there to cement the far right in Latin America.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that's why they were friends with Naya Bukelli, who had his own ties to Narko traffickers.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they dumped all the money into Argentina, right, to save $40 billion.

[SPEAKER_02]: So they do have this aspiration to turn Latin America back into a fascist land and, you know, like they're going to invade Latin America to turn it back into fascism where it hasn't, you know, where you don't have mule and bouquets.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and Trump in the dear leader meeting, said, and those numbers are down, those numbers are down and we're down.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then down because we're doing these strikes and we're going to start doing those strikes on the land too.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start doing these strikes on land.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we know the routes they take.

[SPEAKER_01]: Talking about sending land troops into Venezuela.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that I thought that quote didn't get enough attention.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad enough, the murder boats, but he's talking about sending actual troops.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, I mean, he doesn't want to invade Venezuela, and I'm sure they've got special forces down there doing things that'll turn some, I mean, but again, here's the thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: people who are being recruited by special forces in CIA to fight to take Amaduro.

[SPEAKER_02]: See how the National Guard Killer lack lack lack and well I think his last name is.

[SPEAKER_02]: See how he was hung out to dry.

[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if they're going to see that there's an institutional hanging, dry hanging from Peter Higgs-Eth on down, will they want to cooperate with the United States?

[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to significantly, I mean, this, like, John Radcliffe CIA just blew that guy off.

[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_02]: And other people that the CIA is trying to recruit are going to see that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to have you do every well.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like the people that they left in Afghanistan.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now the ones that were able to come back, Trump wants to deport them all.

[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the backs of people who who fought for us.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it goes further [SPEAKER_02]: Right, America is an unreliable partner, and that's crystal clear, and it's an unreliable partner partly because there's no honor among any of these people, none, zero, but it's also an unreliable partner because Donald Trump cares only about graphed, and if you pay him enough, he will do what you want him to do, and it doesn't matter if it means letting a narcotrificor from prison, it doesn't matter if it means betraying Ukraine, it doesn't matter if it means [SPEAKER_02]: just blowing off NATO, which is effectively what the National Security strategy said they were going to do, because unless you give Donald Trump personal graft, he doesn't give shit about you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ann Alpabam on Blue Sky about the National Security Strategy wrote, [SPEAKER_01]: It's a propaganda document designed to be widely read.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's also a performative suicide, hard to think of another great power ever abdicating its influence so quickly and so publicly.

[SPEAKER_01]: As you said, it'll be worth following the reactions around the world, not just in Europe.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read it, I do have the link and you posted it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll put it in the blog with today's show.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think we should all know what's coming.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we don't know what's going to come because there's the possibility that the United States beats back Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's, you know, not it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Look, we, you know, that's one possibility.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's the possibility that the US just completely collapses and China takes over and we do what China says.

[SPEAKER_02]: And, and that may be the default possibility at this point, honestly.

[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's the possibility that Donald Trump turns the entire world into the kind of mafia regime that happened in Eastern Europe when the United States just kind of left them go, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: And those are all distinct possibilities or some version thereof.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that is, I've said a lot since over the course of this year it's not as bad as I thought it could be.

[SPEAKER_02]: even as bad as things got and it's still not as bad as I think it could be or could get or but this [SPEAKER_02]: formulation of selling out Europe to Russia and yeah I'm biased because I'm here I'm biased because there were four drones that almost took out Zelensky's plane in Ireland the other day so that pisses me off but it also makes it clear to me that there is no defense against Russian hybrid warfare here in Ireland so you know whenever they want to come after me they'll eventually come after me here but you know right wingers would come after me in the United States so it's [SPEAKER_02]: But that's sort of the point, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Is where Trump wants to go?

[SPEAKER_02]: Or the default for where Trump wants to go is precisely that kind of mafia state where everybody needs their own personal security because Donald Trump has wild up.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, one of the things, this is so minor, but one of the things that happen is there's a sky-tailored Toronto, and he is the guy who Trump should have been prosecuted with.

[SPEAKER_02]: He is the guy who took Barack Obama's address that Donald Trump had posted to true social and started stalking both Barack Obama and Jamie Raskin.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Toronto got a time-served sentence.

[SPEAKER_02]: This was like he was pardoned for the January 6th which were minor, but he's, and he's actually, he's this mentally ill man who, Navy veteran, and he, on January 6th was really just a trespasser, but then after January 6th he got into the hole, [SPEAKER_02]: culture of, you know, like this is a community of people who won't give up January 6 and it was through that and they actually didn't like them because he was fucking nuts.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he smelled, but, um, [SPEAKER_02]: So just Trump.

[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, like not a stable man, and so he's hanging out with the scene outside of the DC jail.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the, that was the phase he was in where Donald Trump basically docs Barack Obama leading directly to this guy, stalking Barack Obama with an armed fan and Jamie Raskin.

[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, uh, [SPEAKER_02]: Toronto is supposed to be in Washington, where his family is, but he came back across the country in the last week, and was making videos from the Pentagon parking lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: He was stalking Jamie Raskin again, and the judge in this case is Carl Nichols, so the second Trumpious judge and D.C., actually there's a new Trump judge, so I don't know how she falls, but [SPEAKER_02]: In, from the first term, the second Trumpiest judge, he's a, he's a clearance Thomas, former Thomas Kirk.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he was, you know, he was like, well, I don't, I don't want you in jail for Christmas, so I need you to go back to, to, to Washington for Christmas.

[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't go back, so he may get, put, you know, like, [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's sort of tragic.

[SPEAKER_02]: It is a classic case of the kind of fragile people, the Donald Trump, you know, probably like this guy Brian Cole, who is going to be in jail for a long time unless he can convince, like I think both of the partis qual.

[SPEAKER_02]: Both of the partners that Donald Trump gave Jan Sixers, he could qualify for.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been nagging at Martin about whether that's true or not, because I think that he'll get a lawyer today or tomorrow, and the lawyer will say, we'll try and throw out the confession he just made and we'll try and do a bunch of other stuff, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: whatever.

[SPEAKER_01]: I got to ask you one other thing about the Epstein files.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're still waiting on them much.

[SPEAKER_01]: She's got 30 days to release them allegedly, but we did see some pictures and videos of the island.

[SPEAKER_01]: Any other movement there?

[SPEAKER_02]: No, they are trying to go to the New York cases and get sealing requests unsealed for that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not as corrupt as it sounds.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but nevertheless, they are trying to stall and they are trying to gain more control over this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that they're going to be able to gain control over it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, um, or anything else we didn't touch on, we covered a lot of ground today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I got, there's a couple more things I have.

[SPEAKER_01]: Netflix is buying Warner Bros.

[SPEAKER_01]: Discovery for, which is horrible, but less horrible than Larry Ellison.

[SPEAKER_02]: Although my guess is the brand and car is gonna try and prevent that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.

[SPEAKER_02]: something like eighty three billion dollars or something.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's seen.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's it might be eighty like seventy three billion.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like in that range, but yeah, I mean, it's horrible because it means everything is going to be further net text, although better better that than Larry Ellison.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're net flexed.

[SPEAKER_01]: You used to be, you know, the the CDs you would get or the DVDs in the little red envelopes that they would mail to you [SPEAKER_01]: And then there is the Institute of Peace, which in the early days of Joe's, I can still see in my mind that the Joe's terrorists storming that building as they tried to keep them out, they removed the CEO and all that.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's just disgusting.

[SPEAKER_01]: Trump has renamed it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here they are.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well he's quite a re-name it, but this is still being litigated and ideally we'll win and be able to replace it Yes, well certainly when he's gone, but yeah, yeah, but the Donald Trump Institute of Peace like someone's got to stop he needs to go the man Still dares to call Joe Biden sleepy Joe Biden when he can't keep his eyes open there are there are questions about his [SPEAKER_01]: meant his physical health that they're not being honest about.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, hmm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, all we can do is keep doing the things that are working, you know, Chicago gave us important lessons, the no kings has worked, the, you know, there is, we are in a great moment of flux.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think I said this like three weeks ago, and I said this is a pivot moment, we don't know how it's going to end up, but this is a, you know, and we're still in that very fluid moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be very fluid for I'd say a year at least.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fluidity is the important moment, like can we get, can we get enough house members to not show up that my Johnson is, you know, he's, the more and more people are doing dispatch petitions to go buy my Johnson to get around and, you know, like he has, and this, you know, this is this effectively started in July when Democrats, [SPEAKER_02]: pulled a fast phone with Epstein.

[SPEAKER_02]: That literally, like you can go back to that moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: Which, by the way, Hickeen Jeffers was part of, but give Rokana a lot of credit.

[SPEAKER_02]: And cooperating with Tom Massie.

[SPEAKER_02]: So again, it does take bipartisan chip to do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But that moment in July is when Mike Johnson for all intensive purposes lost his gavl.

[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're public in seeing what happened two weeks ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: And last week, our, you know, back in November and last week, they're all saying, fuck, you know, like, we can't do.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's actually very curious because Donald Trump would like to do politically popular things, right wingers in the house still want to do really stupid things like take away all of Medicaid and, you know, [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to continue to hemorrhage and the question is, we don't know what will happen.

[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can we stay off of Venezuela and envision if we don't will that lead all of the isolationists to saueron him, can we do something with the Nazi split in the maggot party, can we get people like Roger Wicker to [SPEAKER_02]: And Bill Cassidy, who, you know, basically RFK today did exactly what Bill Cassidy didn't want him to do, is Bill Cassidy going to do anything about that, or does he, you know, is he too desperate to keep Trump support for his reelection next year?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, the what he did today was the hepatitis vaccine for infants, there is no longer on the infant vaccination schedule, and that's going to, there will be deaths because [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's USAID, that's some of the measles.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_02]: I hopefully, in the next week or so, I'm going to write, like, we really need to talk about a way to make Steven Miller own how fucking incompetent he is.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think that [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to legally get rid of Trump, but one of the reasons Trump is so much worse this time than last is because Stephen Miller is this primary gatekeeper.

[SPEAKER_02]: Stephen Miller is much more powerful than he was in the first term, and Stephen Miller is quite frankly a fucking moron, but he is a very, he's a bureaucratically powerful moron, and it won't take much to convince people whether their Republicans or whether they're just average people, [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Chris Ingram made a graphic for me, is to show that you can take the 50,000 people they're trying to hire in ICE.

[SPEAKER_02]: And those jobs used to be people like cancer, cure, researchers, and park rangers, and VA nurses.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if we can visualize that for people, so that people outside who are not political junkies understand that what has happened in the last year is a [SPEAKER_02]: one-to-one shift.

[SPEAKER_02]: We have taken money out of things that are good for you and put it into snatching your neighbor and sometimes your own daughter.

[SPEAKER_02]: And Steven Miller is the one who owns that.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if we can do that, Steven Miller, if we talk about hegemonic suicide, that all comes from Steven Miller, [SPEAKER_02]: And everything that we do, that's about getting rid of schools, getting rid of universities, defunding, you know, there's a lot of Steven Miller.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's all Steven Miller working on his fucking teenage angst.

[SPEAKER_02]: And the entire world is suffering because Steven Miller never got out of adolescence.

[SPEAKER_02]: right because he was bullied in high school maybe he wasn't bullied in high school he was bullied right he was the bully yeah I mean because he you know I've seen one theory that his his parents had a financial setback for a while and he had to move from the fancy part of Santa Monica to to a more racially mixed part of LA and so um so he said about making [SPEAKER_02]: He said about causing trouble for Santa Monica, his glitch of course was diverse and not that well integrated, but nevertheless, he tried to make it worse and he succeeded.

[SPEAKER_02]: So then he has basically, that is his play, that he has not moved beyond that fucking play from when he was 16.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why America's committing hegemonics suicide.

[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't maybe because he doesn't there's nothing written with his name on it like he doesn't have a position where he or some how it gets away Yeah, yeah, no, that's definitely true.

[SPEAKER_02]: So just as an example in the James Bozberg is holding contemporaries in the deportation of the 200 Venezuelans because that [SPEAKER_02]: soccer tattoos.

[SPEAKER_02]: And that was Steven Miller's policy, but when DOJ said who was responsible, they landed it on Christina.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: And same thing with the murder books.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that's that is Steven Miller's policy, but now it picks up is the one of the murder books.

[SPEAKER_02]: In Chicago, that lawsuit, where they were like, who sent Greg Bovino here with basically CBP special forces to terrorize civilians and DOJ lawyers managed to avoid any mention of Stephen Miller, but it's all Stephen Miller, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: But he's managed to keep his name out of his image to keep like if he if we could get him [SPEAKER_02]: If we could force him to do depositions, left him right, he would lose his shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that's anyone who is in a position to tie him in writing to this stuff, we need to be able to get his name associated with all of this somehow that it so it leads back to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: You've got the assignment.

[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever can do that.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm going to try and do, I'm going to write about the National Security Strategy because it's something like, I'm glad the response I'm saying from Europeans is like, oh, well, I guess there go our illusions.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really important that you're at being that position because if Europe is going to be a bastion of human rights, the last bastion, [SPEAKER_02]: Not the last, but one of the last vastments of human rights, then we need to stay off fascism for a better than we're doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of that is what happens when an adolescent, like Stephen Miller, gets to write the National and Stephen Miller in Janey Vance, gets to write the National Security Strategy.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's clearly not something achievable.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: The strategy is stupid, but also offensive to most people who care about America.

[SPEAKER_01]: But we also said that about Project 2025 and they are implementing it, you know, or they've been for the last year, almost, so, you know, we need to stop it and it's a trap.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a Friday.

[SPEAKER_01]: We can just hear, you know, holidays are coming up.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully I don't know.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully things get better as you said.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to get better.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be fluid.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we have victories like Tish James.

[SPEAKER_02]: May she have two victories a week for the next 10 weeks.

[SPEAKER_02]: That would be a great thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: Tish James.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like you know, like you [SPEAKER_02]: going after Mark Kelly was the stupidest fucking thing that Donald Trump and Pete Hexeth could have done because they look so amasculated anywhere in the vicinity of Mark Kelly and Mark Kelly is fundraising his huge and Mark, you know, it's given him a platform and I will expect more of that from Mark Kelly from Tisch James and and those are the kinds of opportunities that we have to shift this fluid moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's really not Congress, although I think when Republicans end up voting down healthcare and then the rates go in in January, then we're even more fluid moment.

[SPEAKER_02]: You may see more people not choked to work in January.

[SPEAKER_02]: I promise you it's going to suck.

[SPEAKER_02]: I promise you it's going to feel out of control because it is out of control.

[SPEAKER_02]: But if you think of that out of controlness as an opportunity that we didn't have as much in March, I think that's a good way to think about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, keep doing what we're doing and staying on top of it all.

[SPEAKER_01]: Marcy Wheeler, I will go have a great weekend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Any big plans for this weekend?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm having Thanksgiving dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to have a bigger Thanksgiving dinner, but then I got this cold.

[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm like, it's going to be a small Thanksgiving dinner, but I'm going to go cook some pies right now.

[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, feel better and enjoy the pies for us all.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will be back next week.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be here Monday.

[SPEAKER_01]: Charlie Brown.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I will.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's still back there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Just just sleeping resting.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's the best.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's really.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good boy.

[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go play with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: After I get the show, I'll ready to go live.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be back Monday.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see Marcy on Friday.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, have a great weekend, everyone.

[SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.