Welcome back to Bombing with Eric Andndrey, the only podcast that seems into your subconsciousness and reminds you that success is temporary and embarrassment is forever.

Today's lineup we got my favorite comedian, Derek Gaines, media personality DJ and co host of lip Service, the Gorgeous Jordi E.

Menu had singer songwriter Rapper, one of my favorites, Cucko, the world famous purveyor of magic pendulette, and chef Henry la Parte who has a viral friendship sandwich and draws an endless line of hungry people.

I think we created a monster.

Bombing with Eric Andre.

Okay, let me roll.

Oh where are we going to give the call?

A guesst Molly going forward?

Don't ask the network for any permission, you just we just have to do everything like pirate Radio.

I don't have any executives.

Yeah, they said no to every idea, all the fun a cool idea.

Sorry illgal Okay, are we rolling?

Thank you ladies and gentlemen.

Sucking the bombing Ladies and gentlemen, give it up.

Your mia, Derick Gaines, let.

Them come.

And give it up for my guess.

Jordy and Cucko.

Everybody they don't even know each other, they have nothing to do each other.

They just met.

Did you guys just meet?

How was that meeting?

Was it awkward or were you.

Guys fully just hit it off right off the bat and the mstry was the chemistry?

I think we've had a conversation.

How was the eye contact?

Good?

Okay, So, Cucko, I heard you're gonna take us on a guided meditation?

Do you want to start?

Do you want to bless us?

Sure?

Do you want to do meditation?

That's what I heard you want to do?

Are you from l A?

Yeah, shout your hood out?

Well you're from I'm i'm a.

I'm oh no, it's too loud.

What did you say hawthorn?

I don't.

I don't bang though, but I want to say that because then if I say hawthorn, then it's like on.

Fun goes to die?

Right?

Rather me from wittier you guys, I was cool?

Yeah, hobout other makes me want to orgasm?

I love Have you ever orgasm there?

Have you ever an orgasm?

There?

Yeah?

Yeah, that's my boy, That's what I'm talking about.

I do my my guided meditations.

Oh yeah, yeah, Okay, can you do as a guy his meditation?

Wait, did you go to Hawthorn High?

Yeah?

Were you a good kid or you were getting in trouble?

I was good.

I was pretty good.

I was I was on a lot of drugs, but I was get along with your mind or your dad better.

You said what you get along with your mom better or your dad?

I get along on both of them both.

Yeah, that's beautiful to say that.

Okay, this meditation you want me to I go off scripts so that way, it is just I want you to do whatever you want.

I don't really know the premise of the bit.

I mean, let's let's uh, let's keep our eyes open.

Okay, try to not blink at all.

Okay, let's eyes dry up and just start thinking about a happy place.

At the same time, try to keep your eyes open.

You do close them.

Think about think about trees.

Okay, I already blinked.

Think about trees.

Think about think about a scholay a squirrel, And and the squirrel found found a needle on the floor, a syringe.

You know the different types of needles.

Yeah, squirrel, the squirrel found a syringe, right, and and but he pops open the syringe.

He doesn't use a needle at all.

And inside of that syringe is it's it's not it's not a drug.

It's not it's not a plant.

It's it's just.

It's it's sand.

It's sand.

Okay, he's a mother.

And ye on the island, I have been, I have been.

The smell the sand smells like Cone Island hot dogs.

Okay, smells like Corne Island hot dogs.

And and he starts singing to you.

He starts singing the song.

I have the lyrics right here.

Actually, the squirrels singing, singing.

He says, something inside of me is coming out.

Okay, I feel like killing you.

Wow, let loose the anger held back too long?

My blood runs cold squirrel, super deep squirrel through my anatomydes, another being rooted in my cortex, a servant, a servant to his bidding.

Mm hmm, but totally.

Butality now, because my appetite, violence is now a way of life.

The sledge, my two, the torture as it pounds down on your forehead.

Wow, damn you gotta syriage.

Eyes bullet from their sockets.

With every swing of my mallet, I smashed your head and until my brain until brain.

Sea, Jesus Christ, the cracks.

Blood does leak, distorted beauty, catast your feet slid splattered all over me.

Emo squirrel.

Wow, that's beyond email.

It's all good, it's all good.

It's all good, avoiding the prophecy of my newfound lust.

You will never live again soon your life.

When I see dye in my feet eternally, I smashed your face, facial bulmost collapse like as like crackers calling.

Half it's Christ.

School shooters.

Contents, drain the snot, ripped out the eyes, squeezing them in my hands, nerves in size, peeling the flesh off the bottom of my weapon, volunte pulpifying.

Okay, okay, wow, beautiful, little beautiful, you wrote down there that's a cannibal corpse.

There it was.

I feel like it's probably acountable question theres I wouldn't be surprised.

Hey you doing, Let's go on.

I don't know, it's all happening right now.

You know, you want to tell us your worst gig you've ever had?

Oh ship we're doing.

Tell them that's couco Jordy.

That's up, bro.

Hey, these are all my co host They wanted to tell you to introduce yourself.

I'm Hank right, it makes the same your own restaurant.

Yeah, it's a pop up or what do you do?

It's a restaurant, it's it's a shout it out, it's all Hanks, show your HOODO.

Where do you live?

Bleaker Street?

I live in NoHo?

And where you from?

Almost just said my actual address?

Dress?

But there?

What's your phone number?

You try to do that.

Don't get.

Let us dox you.

I've done that before, like multiple time.

Letter do you wan my phone?

Cut it out?

Just say your number, your address, We'll cut it out.

We'll cut it out.

Why you got your address already before you walk in and put it at the bottom of the screen.

Every episode one piece of personal informations?

Those are security There was something.

Well, I was going to tell a really embarrassing story.

Where give us some personal information, then you can tell an embarrassing story.

Where are you from?

Originally?

I grew up in like the northern part of California, northern California.

But you're not going to say the city pedal?

Shout up and then what's the address there?

At least give us a.

That's my mom's address, Give us your mom's address.

Come on you guess, guess they're a bad guest.

You come in here all fucking game.

I didn't.

You come into your tight lips.

Give us your mom's address.

Sow us your legs skin off.

Okay, give us a stop playing with.

Your penis like skin, what the flete your legs?

Just leg skin skin?

Good?

Healthy.

I did some sets this.

Morning, did you Okay, now you're bagging now you shout up, but give us, give Cugo and Jordy, my new co hosts, your.

Story.

At least tell that.

Okay, all right, your worst gig.

So you're Hank the sandwich Tank sandwich.

What's the name of your what's the name of your restaurant?

It's called Salt Hanks.

It's on two eighty Bleaker Street, after salt like that huh name after salt.

My name on the internet is salt Hank.

So I just you named that after salt, right.

Yeah, like the thing that you spread like so yeah exactly because you like I love yeah, I love salt.

There's another ingredients there is, but about pretty main one.

I think people over here.

Sugar is the ship, sugar great ship.

Anyway, did you want that sugar?

Let's go.

We're from the suburbs.

Hell, yeah, okay, tell us about your mom's address or whatever you're talking about.

You had an embarrassing story of bombing story.

I thought of one this morning.

I couldn't think of one, but speak truth to power.

Okay, you guys are comedians, And I thought one where I was standing up doing a public speaking thing.

Okay, kind of in that, like because what that's what you do?

Yeah?

Uh, I had to give a public speaking class speech.

And I was in college and I was getting hazed the night before and they made a drink of like a two lier of prune juice make suit poop, and I shipped my pants and.

Really, yeah, I put myself and I had to walk out of the.

Noise.

Yeah, like there's.

A whole layer of noises.

I could see it.

Come on, don't show reveal everything cameras your pants?

What did you do where you're like, get I do that?

I was wearing a suit because I was a pledge.

Fraternity.

Yeah, that's why.

Hazing and they bring you to like the brink of death.

They well so amazing, they're like slicly able, they all up.

This was that's right, But no, no.

He ended up shitting his brains in the middle of flas.

Water board hazing, though hazing was obey in these fraternities.

I'll tell you if you want to, all right, So we had to drink a bunch of.

Kids in a circle, and this is the first crow and I quit that one.

So shout out to the new one that I joined, because I don't want them thinking that one.

No, not never uh anymore.

But I wasn't.

You got it finished, college man, You got the whole sandwich thing going.

Now you can move on AnyWho.

They had us stand in a circle and each person had a two liter of V eight like spicy V eight, and a two liter of prune juice, and there was one trash can and we had to finish it before blah blah blah.

And then there was wait.

We just want to get it done first so that you can puke first and then be out of there, because everybody sprints towards the trash can at the same time to puke at the same time, and it wants puking on the back of each other's heads and ship bilippery kind of fun fest of like prune juice and V eight and puke and and ship and not yet.

Not to like digest in your system and then ship out the next day.

Miscarried, thrown up.

Well, we have good news.

Bey is about to go to the super market and get three gallons of prune juice and four gallons of V eight.

They were gonna rebame.

You were titled saltbet like that.

It'll sal bebe.

We're gonna send her runner out.

We're gonna get you prune juice, and we're gonna get you vi it because we heard this story.

We read it on your reddit, and you have saltbay right here.

She's gonnas and you're gonna have to drink it in front of pendult beautiful magician.

Looking set by the way.

I haven't even had a chance on I was late.

But you can just look around.

You don't have to look at the monitor.

I don't know what you're in it right now?

Okay, all right, Jordy, what's your worst bomb?

What's the worst?

What's the worst?

What do you do for a living?

Okay?

Tell us one one.

I have a wait, wait before you start, are you going to start making a sandwich?

I don't know, dude, Yeah, I start making a sandwich.

We're still.

Sandwich.

This is like all cold prepped ingredients, so it's not really going to be what.

Everybody's a fucking div We got you a bunch of brune juice coming and you gotta chug it.

Okay, Jordy, what do you do for a living?

Tell us the audience?

Tell us your entire bio bio.

Where are you from?

How'd you get into what you're doing?

Now?

Give us yours and let us docs you Jersey lords yep, grew.

Up in Jersey.

Obviously, live in New York now.

Jersey, Jersey, New York or nothing.

Absolutely, I've been here sixteen years.

Are going okay?

Sorry?

Sorry, sorry, disrespectfully.

I co host lip service with Angela.

Ye, okay, can.

Wear sex talk?

I want you to come on.

We want to hear some of some of your sex bombs.

I'm a virgin, huh.

I have never and will never have sexual intercourse talk ship dude until I fall in love.

Aren't you?

Celibate?

Says here that.

You you celebrate I'm formerly selibate.

Formally horse, You're back in these streets.

I mean I had a time.

I had a time.

You're getting pregnant tonight?

Absolutely?

No, can't do that.

Okay, Okay, you went through a celibate phase and then you were like boring.

Yeah, so you're a DJ who.

Was celibate, who's known for their celibacy.

From New Jersey.

All right, so you're from New Jersey.

You're a celibate DJ.

What else?

Former celibate DJ?

Okay, now you're in the streets, back.

In the streets kind of nowe y'all deserve any any coach.

Animals.

It's very blanketed.

I mean, yeah, you're making about objections.

I don't hear any objections.

My objection is that you made a broad journalization millions of people, and we're very sensitive.

And you study journalism in business, so you know it shouldn't working statements.

It's true, y'all all who y'all the people with penises, the people that's everybody.

So's every dude.

That's pretty much everybody asked for.

Not the gays.

Now, because you say that, no go into that.

Why why we don't are You're a thirty two year old, I mean in a TV personnel and you were a twenty nineteen Playmate of the Year.

Yeah, fire, you were Playboy's first Black Playmate of the Year.

Black history, and you study journalism, business and art history.

I did.

So you know about cubism, yes, actually tell us about cubism Picasso?

Yeah, tell us about Wow, what is cubism?

To break it down for our audience who may not.

Know art shapes?

Literally?

What is the definition of it?

Oh?

I don't remember?

Is surrealism I could tell you about all right, tell us about surrealism.

Surrealism is something that looks real, but it plays into different elements of your subconscious.

And isn't cubism when you'd squish a three dimensional image and you showed the best two dimensional parts of it.

Not from what I recall now.

Isn't that painting that Picasto painting of the Spanish Civil War?

Isn't he trying to show three dimensional images in a two mentional space?

Yes?

Isn't that cubism?

Hmm?

That's almost kind of cubism and surrealism.

What about twisted perspective?

Wow, twisted perspective.

Is twisted perspective?

Yeah?

Egyptian art I couldn't even tell you about.

Yeah, they would make the toes all fucking It's kind of like cubism, That's all I.

Remember from So which one was the artist that kept cutting off his parts that okay, I'm just okay, keep going.

He cut off his ear and cut off every story.

I'm listening, baby, he kept some of the other parts.

Oh yeah.

Part of the cast of Bravo reality shows Summer House where.

He's been here.

You were in that?

Yeah, that was me.

Why wouldn't you tell me?

I mean, I'm not on it anymore?

Winterhouse Winterhouse both about friend groups going on vacation together.

And you were co host of Angelie's sex and relationship podcast Lib Service.

Yeah for a year.

Recently you who broke who broke it?

I want to see the hunk that broke it?

Who broke it?

Damn?

Do you guys make more noise while she's pouring her fucking heart out?

So small pay Oh yeah, Cucko's gonna freeze out DJs?

Well yeah, make it like a bunch of you.

I smell.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry for this.

I apologize to all man.

Can I exhibit a?

Can I ask you something?

Why are you dating these guys that are emotionally unavailable?

Why don't you date a guy who has a ship together and treats you like a motherfucking queen.

And that you're saying, where are they?

These guys should be on hands and these for you?

They should Where are they at?

Where are they at?

Here you go?

Do you go a little?

Do you snap on these guys?

I don't even give them that much energy?

To myself, I can't what you got to take some account of pay men in dust.

That's where I'm at right now.

I pay men in dust, payment in dust.

That means nothing at all.

Wow.

But who broke Who was the Who was the guy that broke the celibacy pack?

My college crush?

He moved to New York and I was like, this is my chance?

Really?

What's his name?

Just name?

I'm not doing him.

We'll call him reporter man.

First name you can't give hell no?

What about last name?

Hell No?

Okay, first name name.

Reporter man, reporting man, A reporter.

He worked on the news.

And how did it happen?

We were both in Salt Lake City, Utah the most at nine pm?

Yeah you know what I mean, in spite of the Mormons.

But yeah, So he he came to where I was staying, and that's the night I lost my virginity for the second time.

Wonderful time.

A bit of a bomb in itself.

That's when I lost my Analamen, I los my anal Hymen and Taigwan Douglass.

Actually, oh yeah, I don't know.

It's a new organ I made up.

And how was that?

I've never recovered?

What was your worst gig?

You read?

What was your biggest bomb?

Ah?

You know it's just like tech stuff.

I feel like you're wound up emotionally and I'm trying to make you comfortable and I don't that's quite a word, trying to make you expand.

Wow, it's crazy.

That is server right there.

That is what's your worst gig besides this podcast?

What's the horse mode of your career?

I don't know.

I don't.

I don't feel like I ever have.

I don't have any shame.

That's the thing with me.

The Martha's Vineyards, there had to be some rock bottom moments.

Breakdowns.

I guess on Winter House we got sucked up on shrooms, which was a misall.

I mean on camera and yeah, full mental breakdown.

I had a full mental breakdown and it took too much, way too much, way too much.

And then the next day I'm supposed to be leading this.

Riding.

My god, how many grounds you remember?

No, it was an actual physical.

Cap and stem.

Basically, okay, so you just ate too much, so you're tipping balls.

We got on the horse the next day was barely slept.

Oh yeah, you was high, high, high as fuck.

And then and I was smoking two piece combo.

And the next day I had to go to.

Of course back.

And then what happened?

Horse trips.

I almost Christopher is tripping like you fed and mushrooms because that's an animal.

Maybe it's transferred over.

With a redre with aridre pendulate.

Everybody, tellers better have directed every residence video.

Good to see him, Eric, that's Jordy and Coco Psychedelic Pandemonium.

Come on in, We're making you a sandwich.

Oys hooking up.

I'm living in Vegas.

Is this microphone omni directional enough that I'm okay?

I think it should be closer to your mouth?

You think so, I'll see the problem is that my mouth is high up?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, Well can we can somebody help jet Jesus, he just came out of the emergency Jesus Christ, that was horrible.

Do you know all my guests comes straight from the emergency room to this podcast.

That was a horrible moment.

What that microphone got?

Well, I'm one of those insufferable vegan assholes.

Do you does anybody want to sandwich?

Anybody want a sandwich?

Jordy sandwich?

Sandwich?

I'd like you to just sit there holding this same Hey, can we look very attractive?

Can we look up here?

To me on?

I don't think anybody wants Hey?

Bay?

Can we look up her with the horse?

Was it a horse?

Cop?

Yeah?

Okay, So she just told a story where she took too much psychedelic mushrooms and I'm unfamiliar fire fire and didn't sleep and smoked some marijuana, which I don't subscribe to.

I've never touched a drug in my life and never will.

That's true for me, really, Yeah, I've never even had a drink of alcohol.

That was right, You know what.

Nancy Reagan was my godmother and she she got in there early, and I'd say no to drugs.

What about caffeine?

Uh, you sed to long ago, but not anymore zoactives for like thirty years.

About nicotine thirty five years now?

But you've done caffeine, yes, so you have had an experience, You've experienced active reaction from something.

You've been in the hospital like I had, like you know, I was fucked up and they gave me like morphine that you're like, I've never done drugs.

I left out the word recreation creationally.

You have done caffeine recreationally.

Yes, so so you Yeah, okay, here, you're not what you think.

I'm some sort of fucking tight ass.

Yeah, I'm a wild man.

I've had a couple that's right.

Yeah, yeah, you put me in the category essentially just say Miles Davis, Coltrane, hendrixel.

Yes, that's the kind of potropics, that's the list.

Yes, that's a spectrum.

That's okay.

Now we have this clip of you on mushrooms.

Mushrooms us is your rock bottom except for when the reporter the thing in Slake City, which I know't feel comfortable talking about Winterhouse, right, winter Winterhouse, cucko.

What's your worst gig?

And then we'll get to you Penn.

I know you're fucking itching at the fucking oh yeah yeah, but what's the Mike got adjusted?

Everything was okay?

Like Christian Bale having a melt out on that cinematography for you, well, right when you walk in here, I've been walking on eggshells.

Everything's okay, Okay.

Cucko always gig, I think has to be.

I think I think a lot of them have to do with drugs, for sure.

Just tuned out.

Yeah, I mean I once had two cups of coffee.

Wait, so.

I think honestly, probably just I had I had to do a cover for a whole event, and I think I was just so faited off.

What do you mean a cover like a music cover, like a cover of song.

Yeah, I had to cover a song and I did.

What song did you that was a good question?

Was?

I think it was.

The Beatles?

I forgot Honestly it was.

It was for an event, but I just remember being so faded and I don't.

Even remember what song you recovering?

Genre?

Maybe we go that like some something in Spanish.

I was just I was just super fading.

Like the event was kind of like a like a charity event.

Okay, yeah, yeah, were seriously we take children here, the kids, the children.

I'm so sorry you guys are dying.

But one.

Happen.

I just forgot the lyrics and I remember just watching off, like beating myself for it because I was just like, what the funk like that was it was bad?

Was it a rap song or under?

No, it was you know what.

I felt like.

I kind of bombed when I had to do the rap warring injured because I just didn't even know what to do.

I just you were perfect?

Are you kidding me?

I was just screaming.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's the point of the show.

We're just torturing it.

Yeah.

Well yeah, that was the first time I ever got cattle prodded too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't lay up, yeah, cattle Yeah.

Paint balled.

We had a bull prod too when I was wet to when I was I'm wet right now, honey, I'm snail trailing, sliding down this chair, looking in your eyes.

You better, Will you break your celibacy with me?

Take me to Salt Lake City.

I'm missed a reporter, you know what I mean?

Yeah?

What is his name?

Recording you find?

Did you find the video of herund mushrooms and horses?

Oh?

God, kill me?

Now?

What's your peacock password?

I don't even know, Actually I don't know.

You don't peacocks?

I got somebody else.

Do you have it on your phone?

You can just hold it up.

I was on the horse.

Yeah, you gotta get.

On the horse, honey.

Okay, now how many years have been?

Okay, so they kicked you out, so you got faded Sanchez?

Kind of music is that?

So what you know?

Do you know?

Tolano Sanchez, Chelino, Chelino, Celino Sanchez.

That's not Thaniel, That's what kind of music is that?

The like the Chelino.

Yeah, I like that ship.

Yeah.

Didn't he like get shot out on stage?

Yeah?

He was, he killed people on stage and ship He's like, Allen, no.

He he read that.

No, you know that video where he's like he's really knowing they're like sweat.

He's like, yeah, like the.

Bob is the Yeah, ship, I want to like a man.

Also scary images Charlino, Charlie Sanchez, Charlino Sanchez.

Yeah, I like that.

Ship with the tubas, the German influence and Mexican He's a.

That's a real thing.

I mean the German that came over Tubas in a quarter.

That's why there's so much tubas in accordates Germans were going to South America.

No, this is not this is like before Okay, it was like nineteen hundreds, Okay.

It was a random migration like the forties, like so much of.

The forties.

They were just like you the mood like nineteen forty five, I want to say, like randomly.

Bunker's a little crowded.

Yeah, yeah, my nerveburg drought, so you got faded.

Yeah, I was.

They didn't kick me out or nothing, Sancho's type note, Like I wasn't.

Even the headliner too, so it wasn't like it's like for me, it was a moment.

Maybe everybody else was like cool, I'm not even here really like for him, Okay, so it was it was a bigger deal to me then maybe it should have been.

But like, but that was that was it.

Because they also felt like I was like damn, I kind of just didn't want the song like that, and and I'm all drugs and what.

Drugs are you on?

At the time, I was doing a lot of I was on a lot of blowing, like a lot of like ecstasy for sure, My god.

You were sky high.

Just smoked a couple of puffs of Yeah.

I've said it's like stopped doing all like the heavy heavy since.

Like three years ago.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I feel like.

I'm just already pretty fried out as a person.

So we gave you a little molly water before.

You got here.

It hazing.

We gave you prune juice and all water.

Ship myself just be really fitted.

Oh I have dislocated my shoulder off of Mally goddamn so that sucked.

It was that was like a personal bomb.

It wasn't a gig.

It was I think it was a personal bomb.

It was in la uh.

It was at Rolling Loud at like twenty nineteen, and I was in the most finish shit.

But it wasn't even during the most you know, you know how like if they do have a stadium and they have grass, they cover the tart like the the turf with like plastic.

See people are drinking and ship and it's all slippery turf turf.

I'm sorry, yeah, bro.

So I was like I was just tripping and I remember finishing washing and then it wasn't even in the pit, bro I literally and I was just like at the time, my problem is that I'm not proportioning it.

So if I gain weight, I'm.

Gonna get I'm gonna I'm gonna getna get that.

I'm gonna get that legs.

Did you get the tall surgery.

I went, I went watched it way too fast after that surgery.

But I don't get my arms and lays stay skinny.

So I was pretty big at the time.

It's my toy, so gets too big.

That's cool.

So then it's like like super humpty Mike Wasowski, you know what I mean, like really really just big.

But then like arms and le super skin, like a tooth looking like a tooth like fat.

Yeah, I got you.

Okay, So it's talking about yeah, he's talking about like the costumes, like the little tooth costumes and ship sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talking about something.

And I don't know what you're talking about.

But no, you got the body of a tooth that basically it's fat in the middle, little legs, skinny arms.

Go ahead here, we don't body sham too.

And what he just did was an active domestic.

Terrorism tooth tooth teeth do not have arms and legs little legs.

Okay, I'm thinking about like a little costume.

You know, if somebody's cost then say you're on ecstasy a term.

I'm just.

There's a tarp, so there's a tarp over it.

I slipped and because my arms are so were so like skinny at the time.

From my body, it's just like I just fell in.

It popped right out of place.

And you're mid song.

Mid I mean she's in the audience.

You're in the audience your show.

That's what I say, a personal bomb.

I'm not, I'm not.

Yeah, this is just you're not a cannibal Courts show or something.

And keep.

The residents fiftieth anniversary.

You were going out.

Now I gotta get back.

I missed the.

Speaking of having arms that are too little, I was one second.

I was once wrestling with a little person in corn Starts Starts.

Yeah, we had in the day he could corn start wrestling party at my house.

There was a kiddie pool full of cornstars, which you know, is is that weird?

If you go fast, it's solid, if you go slow, it's liquid, of course.

And the main event was because I'm six seven and you know two point fifty, I was wrestling my buddy Arturo, who is a who was a little person.

He's not six seven, No, he's not six seven, and he's he's also we decided to do it nude, so that's what does rac We were wrestling.

We were wrestling nude, sobriety is not all it's backed up to me.

Sure, And what I didn't realize was, you know, we were doing all the wrestling moves and picking him up and do them the cornstars.

What I didn't realize was his arms were not as long as the corn starch was deep, so when I put him face down, he could no longer push his mouth up to be able to breathe, I would say, or nose.

And I was, you know, show voting because I was naked and big and standing over him and doing all my my misunderstood New England professional wrestling things, kind of parading and you know, kind of peacocking around and he was dying at the same time.

Yes, And finally I looked down and Terry Shaman, motherfucker, He's been in that same position for a wicked long time.

So then I was in the position of being nude and trying to pick up a little person who was stuck in corn starch, you know something, And I'm using all my strength.

I think I have.

That's not the sound bootstuck in mud.

You get to pick up a little person, pull him out of the corn starch.

And the nice thing was that he's such a kind man that when he finished coughing and vomiting, he thanked me for saving his life.

But you also have forgotten.

I suppose that the corn starch and the nude and the wrestling and putting him face down were all my idea.

You were, you know, like one of those business managers who likes to get credit for fixing something that he fucked up.

You know that standard operating procedure.

That's what I did.

So if you'd been with me, you'd have dislocated your shoulder and been drowning in cornstars?

Is that your word?

And that was your worst magic trick too?

That was your biggest part, was really there was something magic about it.

You little person in corn starts.

Don't let him breathe, he starts to fucking die.

There.

There's nothing magical about there.

When you're when you're trick, there's R and D.

So that could have been.

So what was the R and D, ladies and gentlemen.

I will out put a little person in corn star and he won't die.

That was that was the whole There's been some brains from it.

You're in the experimental phase.

Yeah, the magic was in the moment yes, it was cute and you're so married.

To this port.

Yeah, yeah, no, I think I think our tour was is touring with a with a circus in Mexico.

And was this just the two of you guys?

Was there an audience?

Oh, there was a big crowd.

Thought it was just the two and we were just the maise other people.

Other people would wrestled before us, okay, but we just when you're done, be so much sexier.

But probably there were probably seventy five two hundred people watching.

And the thing was that nobody seemed to give a flying funk about him drowning.

I mean, you're most sociopathic, sure, but I was doing so much parading, you know, yeah, covered with corn stars you were.

And then and then you were and then uh, God punished you for Hebrews.

It was like, actually, the nice thing about my relationship with God is when God punishes me for hubris, he drowns a little person.

It's a really well it's a nice things.

I do something very terribly wrong and someone in India gets leprosy, that deal with God.

Stephen Stevenson, Sure, I just want to just want to make sure is God doesn't care as long as someone is punished and I made the deal.

You know, God won't be me motherfucker.

Yes, that's that's what.

That's the best thing about him.

I can't stop reading, you know, the best thing to every night.

The best thing about God is his punishment is capacious.

It means I'm changing your mind without reason, which God is good.

And it's sassy.

Yeah, a bit of a diva has he has?

He said to Job, I don't know, man, just something about you pisses me off.

And then then Lot fucked his daughters.

Yeah.

Well, Lot first of all asked an angel in to fuck his daughters, then fucked his own daughter.

Yeah, that's bizarre.

Yeah, and.

That's not even some of the weirdest stuff from the Bible.

You can't eat shrimp, yeah well yeah, and you got to stone your wife to death if you find out she's not a virgin on her wedding day.

I think the order of the words is wrong.

He's not a virgin.

You get stoned in your wedding night.

Okay, Yeah, that's a rough one.

Yeah, but you know what trimp is delicious is that's what I have the bone a bit out of all the books.

Well, that's all loves her side.

What size of the tree you shipped on and stuff like that has also in there.

Okay, wait, what's that?

There's certain kinds of rules for we're also miss mixing your fabrics, you know.

Yeah, you'll go to mix your fas.

No.

No, someone in India will go to hell.

That's the deal, kay.

Yeah.

Because of all the shism, all the shrimp eating you're doing, someone else is getting punished.

Because Hinduism is older than Abraham, older than the Abrahammer religions, the abraham Ham what was.

We called them the Mediterranean death cults.

That's the name of my metal abra Hammick religious.

With aer Codre with Aerdre.

What is your worst gig?

What was your worst?

How long have you been performing with Teller?

How long have you been performing magic?

Well, I've been performing.

We tell her about fifty years five zero Yeah, holy show.

Okay, And and the first I'm assuming decades of that profession is rough as as I've started.

I started as a juggler, and it is a juggler in the circus.

No, I was, you know, you know, just working around my hometown.

And then I finally went to Ringley Brothers Barn and Bidley.

I'm from Greenfield, Massachusetts, by Worcester and fram and Worcester and the western Western mass Yeah, Worcester, Okay, Yeah, I saw Guire at the fucking Palladium.

Dude.

It was fucking nuts.

Bro there you go.

Okay, So you're in England, No, Florida.

Okay, So you went to school at Arizona.

Other school it's actually my new school.

It's in Venice, but they call it Sarasota.

You went in Florida.

So you went to circus schooling brow.

I went to clown College.

You had to clown school, which I have to say, part of our training in PR was we were not allowed to say the circus or Ringling or clown College.

It was Ringley Brothers, barn and Bidley, greatest show on Earth, clown College every time.

But then I stand with that.

You gotta say the whole thing.

I think also there, I don't think he's from Sarah.

So he grew up in Sarazona and he jerked yeah, which is what those movies are for.

That's what Sarasota is for.

Come on, cut this ship.

Let the guy judge offthing else to do besides jerk off?

In Sarasota.

You're not in Sarah.

You're not in hell out.

We don't want you here.

So are you from Sarahsoona?

No, My sister went to New College, and that's why I know about Clown College.

And that's al.

I was actually a very very successful street performer.

I was making ship tons of money king Yeah, okay, I know.

Were you doing magic?

Just juggling?

I was juggling.

I was juggling him talking.

That's when I ruined my voice and all that stuff.

But I was living here permanently.

Yeah, I was on the streets.

You know, your voice doesn't sound ruined, it sounds funny.

Well, at that point it was.

It was bad.

Now it's a little bit better.

But what happened?

You burst a polyp in your larynx?

Oh no, my, my, my.

My voice boxes like leather.

It's in there.

They don't never go to you know, when you aren't talking, which is rare.

Your vocal cords go right together like this, nice and sweet and nice.

Mine have gaps in them all the time, which is why my rob streaming stream.

But I made I made a ship ton of money.

I didn't make more money, uh, until I got to Broadway.

Than I used to make on the streets.

I'dn't make thousands every weekend, it was.

But I also didn't live anywhere I tell down there.

I met Teller when I was still in high school.

Yeah, you got are high school friends.

No, No, he was a high school teacher.

I was.

We're seven years he's seven years older than me, but at a different high school.

Okay, but the worst gig we ever had, and uh uh was I had this very romantic notion about show business because I'm from a small town and I didn't know anything about show business.

So Teller was a high school Latin teacher and tenured and very successful and very skilled.

Where's what city, Lawrence township side of Trenton in New Jersey.

And actually the year Teller left to work with me, that was the year that John Stewart was going to take Latin with Teller.

And then he found out that mister Teller had left to be a magician.

And John Stewart is all Wes said.

If I hadn't taken Teller into show business, he would probably be a Latin scholar today because he was looking forward.

John Stewart see maybe the only person in the country who was looking forward to taking Latin.

He was very excited about it.

So I had this romantic notion that we should do nothing but show business.

We should never have a day job ever, we should just do that, so that would force us to take every job that came along, no matter what.

So we got called we're living in I don't know where we are.

I think we're living in Philly or in Trenton or something.

We're down around there.

The year is this and where you at in your career doing?

Oh?

This is this is early on?

We were seventies eighties.

Oh no, no, this would be seventies.

Seventies, yeah, seventies.

This would have been about seventy six, seventy seven.

We'd done Philadelphia.

Seventy six was the bi centennial, and we were doing all these shows on the streets, but.

They hadn't you're making a living performing, Yeah.

That's all we were doing.

And we had done one show in Philadelphia seventy six.

It was actually the only show I've ever done for nobody, and it was actually nobody because we got paid one hundred dollars a show, and we could cancel any shows we wanted, but we wouldn't get paid, so it was pouring rain.

It was outside behind the Art Museum in Philly and it was pouring rain, and nobody showed up.

I mean nobody, nobody and Teller and I said, well, you know someone could come in to check to see if we were doing a show, So let's do a show anyway.

But that isn't the worst show.

That's not the worst.

That was just for nobody to me.

You're getting paid to rehearsal yea for a sound check.

This show was a very odd show.

There is a place in New Jersey that is a federal prison for people under sixteen who've committed major felonies, capital offenses or murder.

Okay, okay, and they're all under sixteen, and it is a heavily armed, dangerous, dangerous prison with all children.

Yeah, all children.

And they called up and said we'd sure like a Magic action, so you know, tell her.

And I had this rule, you know, if someone was paying them, we do the job.

We made no decisions, we turned down nothing.

That's still to this day, that's still true.

I still answered the phone with okay, I will because you know, my mentor and Magic always said say yes to everything.

That's the way.

That's the way to live life.

You know.

So we took this job, you know, and I guess I didn't really understand that people under sixteen years old can be like crazy, fucking dangerous.

Yeah, you know, they're stronger than all of us, strong, stronger and have all.

Of that, no frontal lobe whatsoever.

And yeah, they'd already killed they'd already killed people, right, and they're under sixteen.

Some of these people are like twelve, we will shoot us, yeah yeah.

And they're also they're in prison already and they're never going to get out.

Yeah yeah, So.

Y up.

We go there and they're like guards all around, right, and they've they've they've set up like you're like like like four hundred five hundred.

Felony youngsters psychopaths, Yeah yeah.

Who are all lined up with guards who were just the worst screws you've ever seen.

It's like fucking oz with children.

It's just fucking insane.

And tell her that I show up at the time, I was juggling knives and I was I was eating fire.

Tell her was swallow swallowing needles.

You know, all those kids need like a sharp toothbrun exactly exactly.

People lookn kill people with a paper CUPI they have skills.

And so the guards say to us, they say, you know, you're ready to do your magic show.

And I think they expected like hipping the hop rabbits.

And I said, well, you know, we're gonna juggle knives and eat needles and you know, it's like a bottle of surface cups, okay, which I don't know why the guards would ever say okay, guards, I you know, so we were set up and there's nothing, there's no stage.

We're just on the floor with like, you know, four hundred psychopathic children and probably I mean a huge ratiow like twenty guards who all have like night sticks and our I mean, their job is beating the ship out of children.

Child they're just chilter.

I'm not sure, you know.

My dad was a jail guard, but I'm not sure that.

No, he wasn't.

Watch watch this one.

He was practicing, you know, so I don't have this noise, this basic view sandwiches the other side, this basic view of you know, all jail guards, the psychopaths.

My dad was a wonderful man and worked a small county jail and was was very kind as far as I could tell to everybody.

That's not true for these particular the gentlemen that we're in this place.

So tell her and I go out and we just start doing our show, you know.

And Teller and I are carnee guys.

You know, we were carneie trash, and we go no matter what, you know, we not stop a show.

There's no there's no pussying out for us ever.

So we go out there.

We know we're back ready to go.

There's no backstage.

We're still a props set up, right, and we're just gonna go out and do our show.

And I'm gonna do every fucking joke I do about that juggling, We're gonna do all We're just gonna do it right out right full and we kind of start performing and they're kind of fuck, like shut up, shut out.

There's all this stuff, and then all of a sudden they like chill out and they're like ap plodding, and we finished our half hour.

We did our show.

We thought we'd done really bad, and they come over and say, you know, we have a show every year for these people.

They have a show once a year, these these children have a show.

And they said, in the ten years I've been here.

You're the only ones who have ever finished.

I tell you, these motherfuckers were calling us every year while we were while we were on Broadway, they were still calling going can you come back?

Did anybody else?

And also we were the only ones that they hadn't stolen props.

They stole nothing from us.

Wait you had nine.

Yeah, they didn't steal a faith.

They just watched our show.

So maybe this is an odd combination of triumph and bombing.

You know, it's the worst gig you can have.

Yeah, plus plus we actually kind of did Okay, they kind of liked us, but I didn't.

You know, that's not the kind of thing you imagine.

But of course when you think about it, of course there are felons under sixteen years old.

You know, they're people have done really really bad things.

We're performing for them.

And also on in Philadelphia, we were doing a show on the Parkway that they'd closed off that turned into as far as I could tell, it turned into a race riot, and we have it on stage in the center doing our show while people were just screaming and throwing things at each other.

And we also we also wouldn't stop.

I mean, we just just go and go.

But see, magic is very different kind of bombing because if you are doing comedy, right, if I'm doing a comedy bit and people aren't laughing, then it's kind of like, oh this is terrible.

I'm not in a groove.

But if you do a magic trick and at the end of the magic trick it doesn't work, there was no reason for you to be there.

It's like we've just watched you for seven minutes.

And that in the early days that happened a lot where you guys are like, well.

Early days last week, No, I mean when things stop, you know, that's the thing.

He just goes.

You just actually say that didn't work.

That you know that is your cover line.

There's no way out.

There's no way you can pretend I wasn't trying to do that.

Is this your card?

No?

Okay, okay, what do you What do you want to do later?

Well, I want to see your card and I wanted to get it out of here, and I want to see me.

You give him the rules of poker card, but you want to see me there, want to see me wrestle a little person make up.

I've always got that out of my back pocket.

But just just remember that if you're ever wrestling a little person in cornstarch, keep an eye and how long their arms are.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I agree with that.

You want to do that, you go back to the jail because said they called you, They kept called the jail, kept calling you back.

You never went back, and we never went back, but we would have.

It's just working on broad and if you if you try to tell people that you're cancelling your broad to prison, they they look at you.

I've had a lot of friends who have done like magic and juggling shows at prisons for adults, and they told me the joke that always works.

It will kill every time.

If you're picking a volunteer from the audience, all you do is say how about you the black guy in orange, and you will get a laugh forever.

That's stand I'm playing well, I'm teaching a comedy course in Fulson Prison.

Really at the end of this year's there's a.

There's this woman that Derek Beckles knows who teaches theater, improv and comedy to the prisoners there.

So sh I'm doing like a guest lecture and I feel nervous about it.

I have to peece so bad.

Derek's gonna conduct, I'm gonna pee.

We're gonna come back and do it just a few more things.

If you guys got the.

Time, I know, everybody's gonna go, and then I'm gonna eat a sandwich and then we'll get the buck out of here.

But I've had the peace since it started, and I can't hold it anymore.

You keep keep the conversation, all right, unless you guys got a peet, people, you go pee too.

I actually go ahead and all right, everybody else.

And I'm not hungry.

That's pretty cool, So I'm preparing the real We are the longest running headliners in the history of Vegas.

We've been at the conveniently named Penn and Teller Theater, uh since two thousand and one.

It's so funny.

Is there someone do that?

That club I walk by on me like that is the guys, and it's really cool to see.

Yeah, well, I wish you had time to come see our show.

And I don't know if you've ever seen this, but when you've seen this, it's new stuff.

Obviously TV.

When I was a kid, like a lot of pittot tell if it wasn't David Copperfield.

It was yall.

Yeah, so it was like, speaking of which, David Copper looks pretty bad.

He'd be at the dB hanging out at the cellar sometime with Atomics.

We're the only ones in Vegas that do a new show all the time.

You know, we're always putting in new stuff, stars, respected, joll Hustle, always doing incredibly whatever.

Yeah, yeah, you know it's been usually you know, after fifty years, just say fuck it.

We'll just do some of the hits.

We're on the fiftieth anniversary tour.

You know, we did Radio City and every place we played that played him in London and everybody expected fiftieth anniversary were doing stuff from sending that live and let him in the stuff all new stuff, all new stuff.

Sure got a state like are you learning from this?

This is to you do?

Yeah, so that's really well what else don't want to ask?

Well, how often you change your stuff?

You stand up?

I kind of I try to change it, like at least every month.

You give it a month to get the hard twenty thirty, forty minutes whatever.

Sure, but then it gets mundane, so you start tagging, adding extra shit or taking something from that's new and then adding to something old, but or just rewriting an entirely.

Yeah, well you when you know, when I'm doing hunks that are just verbal, yeah, you know, you can.

You can change, you can change stuff.

But when you're doing stuff that you have to actually have props and stuff and tricks have to work, then you got to do like there's more planning.

Yeah, prop guys back in the day, the guys that would come on stage with a whole bunch of props and jokes for each and jokes feed.

There was a guy named the Wid, uh, the Wid, the Wid, yeah, w Id.

He call him up the Wid And he was like an open mic hoast in Philly a long time ago, and he used to just flood the stage with all kinds of props and didn't have a joke or three for each one.

And I don't know how much of it was the same, but my god, it was pretty it was pretty insane.

Yeah, I'm a Philly.

Guy, but others from Center City.

Yeah, I started a comedy three in Philly and then moved to New York around oh nine and it was fucking around since then.

But no, man, that's really cool.

Anybody else got a fundational question.

What's up?

Have you had a show a prison before?

I have.

I've done halfway houses, so not.

Sapeline between magic, comedy and jail.

Well, motherfuckers are sitting in their board.

They need something to do, so they can't really do too much because they're still in prison.

So you you you you you.

These people call out and they trust, Oh.

We don't get your hands off.

The pipeline is people need to be entertained, you see what I'm saying.

And comedy is always something you could do because people want to laugh, either they psychos or not.

And people want to see magic if the cycle is not, you know.

So so if you got to do them Lord of the Fly shows that he was just doing, then you just got to do, you know.

But that's how did he do in the bathroom.

We didn't miss you at all.

Real just went fine.

As a matter of fact, it wasn't really interrupted until you came back.

No, Pa was telling me some flying ship.

But now these sandwiches are good.

I just I took a few bites.

Okay, So your people thought my producer's name is Bee your salt Hank, so we don't calling her salt Bay.

And I got in trouble in the bathroom.

That's by Wang.

Everybody, this goes off.

Now.

I know, asking the magician to do a magic trick is asking like a comedian's to tell a joke.

But we do have a decord cards at Easy one.

If you want to do any of that ship you know, because I'm so temfortably, you're sick.

You're sick of it.

You don't even want to touch the decker cards.

Really, it's that.

It's that I gotta go on.

You got people here.

We really like magic and I love voodoo.

I don't know.

It's like asking Neirvana to singing smells like teen Spirit.

They don't want to do it.

I'm having fun here now, is that okay?

Yeah?

Yeah?

But I mean you know you also, I thought.

You you you you broke the vent horizon there.

You actually put that sandwich into your mouth and then pulled it out.

Once you break the event horizon right here, you can't pull it back out.

Something good to say.

I'll also tell you if you will.

If you're eating making me crazy, I don't like that.

If you're eating fire, there's a little piece of advice.

If you're eating fire and you're you've got the fire in your mouth and you're holding it in your mouth and someone does a heckle, And if you have the best comeback you've ever thought of in your life and you know you're going to kill, don't do it.

Why because in order to speak, you're going to breathe in.

Oh, when you breathe in, you're going to suck the fire into your lungs, and your ad lib is going to come out like this.

I didn't go to the hospital, but I did get I did get an exactly I burned it.

I've heard the tipulars of my lungs.

So for a while, you're coughing up really discussing ship.

Now you can die, Yeah, yeah, you can die.

Well, Bob, tell you something else.

When you were trying to riff.

You're gonna die, but just not necessarily right now.

Well that's what I called it because when I when he does this, it makes me fucking crazy.

Either put it in your mouth and eat it or don't, or.

I'm a Japanese fetish.

Where I reached the event horizon.

Oh yeah, but once you break that event horizon, that's all I can think about, is he put that part of the sandwich in his mouth.

Then he took it out, so that part of the sandwich already belongs in his mouth, but now it's not there.

You teach me, easy trick to do it home, Easy.

Trick to do it home.

Well, you had your book growing up, and I would always try to do the thing in front of my mom.

I would take the malka Denny's and I would stick my fork.

It's a great trick.

It's a great trick.

But I would I would never do it.

Well, my mom, Well set.

Up the gas.

Yeah, yeah, here's all you got to do.

It's a great trick.

This is a trick that Mac King came up with, one of the best common magicians in the world.

He told us this.

You know, when you're you're sitting at a diner, cheaper diner, they have those little creamers.

Right now, all you got to do is, while people are talking and shit, you just take the creamer in your hand.

Now, make it so that the paper side is down, and you put like a fist around it.

No one's paying any attention to you, No one cares.

You're just holding your hand on the table.

You got that in there.

Then you take your fork right and you start fucking around your eye.

You just take the tongue times of the fork and just kind of put them near the edge of your eye.

And then, no matter what is once, you start doing it quietly, don't say anything, don't explain anything that, just start fucking with your eye a little bit, and all of a sudden, everyone at the table will start looking at you.

That ever buddy's looking you for fucking with your eye with the fork.

You then bring up your hand as though you were looking through your fist, but you actually got the creamer there at the Then you do three things simultaneously.

You stick the fork into the creamer, You squeeze your hand hard, and you scream like a mother feel And what happens is white gunk suits out of your eye all over everybody, and you're screaming.

And even though it's not logical because the blood, it's kind of like your eye just came over everybody.

Yeah, I don't think it's blooded.

First.

I think first there's an ocular fluid, right, that's kind of clear.

Let's don't know.

I don't even spe English, memori.

And uh uh uh, you just do that.

That is a fabulous trick.

And I don't know how you fucked it.

Oh you let your mother see you grabbing the well.

In my defense, I was seven, okay, but committed had not committed a felony.

I had not committed a felony, and I would when my mom would go to the bookstore, I would go to the comedy section and your book was in the you guys, so you didn't buy it.

I'm not many money, okay.

My mom gave me like a one dollar allowance a week.

It was more than one dollar, it was, but I remember, like I would try to like get your tricks out of that book when I was little, and.

Like memorize them in the bookstore before she would grab me and then we'd go food chopping or whatever, and I would try to do them.

But you can't let the audience see you.

Set up the gag.

We wanted to explain I'm still learning.

We want We wanted to explain that trick.

We thought it'd be a great thing to do on on Letterman, you know, explain the trick.

First we do it to Dave and then we'd explain how to do it.

And the the executives were all going, I don't know what if somebody sticks a fork in their eye after they see this, and we go, well they should know better, absolutely, But but that was that was that was a big deal that we had to say, learn to don't stick a fork in your eye for real.

Yeah.

Also executives one, you know they can be wet blankets.

Yes, everybody, you have a good time over here.

You reach for that, reach for it.

I just came back from Mexico City, so I have three brain sowls up.

Now Google, you know Zoey has a bit of a crush on you, Zoe, Zoe, come on out here, give him on, give him a kiss.

Who you gotta let.

Zoey kiss you?

Zoe gives him on the come on, come on at least a hug.

He's Venezuelan, very nice, everybody, very wonderful.

And now sit in his lap.

Okay, can you, lady in the tramp one of the cookies into my friend Zoe's Are you dating somebody not currently?

Okay?

Do it?

And no he's on the back on the market.

You're turning round connection.

I love that you verb.

Lady in the tramp?

Oh verbs really nice?

Did you find that clip of her?

We're gonna have this guy chug prune juice while you freestyle over a beat of her and that'll take us out.

What the fuck?

No, why don't we just like pass it around or something?

No, no, no show, you're not telling you, you're not telling us what you actually you gotta drink as much.

As you can.

No, I'm not you gottself a little bit terrible.

This is good for you.

Okay, we have like what do you call.

This music library?

Free stock because we can't abort anything.

Is this it that overhead doja or something?

All right?

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I'll take a meal.

Raisin gross go, Thanks, appreciate.

The gut.

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Thank you.

It was good.

I'm pretty you got drinking that a.

That's like miles from now.

I'm not I have another like you want us to support your sandwich?

Do you want us to make a documentary.

Put in the Aunjo by the way, I like meet you this little coffee.

Yeah, make him feel like he's a bad Okay.

Make a sandwich.

Oh we got let's go.

Spit that ship.

I wish I could thank you guys so much.

It's been a pleasure.

Thank you for having me.

Yeah.

Of course.

With every contre got it burning story that you're itching to tell about when you bombed or absolutely failed in life.

Now's your chance to tell me all about.

It, babe.

I want to hear your worst, most cringe worthy what the fuck was I thinking?

What just happened?

Moment?

So pick up your phone and dial seven one six bombing that seven one six two six six twenty four sixty.

Four and leave me a voicemail and we might just play it on a future episode.

Bombing with Eric Andres brought to you by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network and iHeart Podcast.

Our executive producer is Noah Abad.

Our producer's Bei Wang.

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His podcast is recorded at Sweet Tea Studios.