A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed socialite, and a billionaire who may or may not have been murdered.

Welcome to the world of the Jeffrey Epstein.

The Prince and the Pervert podcast journalists Lisa and Jan bring you the ultimate deep dive.

Hello and welcome to The Prince and the Pervert Podcast.

My name is Lisa Tate and I'm Jen Taran.

So it has been frantic lately in epstein Land, and Jen, you've been recording and researching.

Tell us what you've been doing.

Well, hopefully you've all listened to the episode we've just dropped before this one, because it outlines two special documents.

There's Documents six six two, which is Gallain Maxwell's rebuttal of the Government and the Parole boards pre sentencing report.

Now neither of those will be docketed, well they haven't at the time of recording anyway, So Documents six six two gives you a bit of an insight to what both the government and the Parole Board are asking for in terms of length of sentence.

And of course, then I cover six six three, which everybody was talking about late last week.

It's their submission to the court about how she should only really get four years and three months with a maximum of five years and three months.

I don't think that's going to happen.

They may be disappointed.

Again, let's hope I covered the actual submission report.

What have you got to say about all those letters of support.

Well, firstly, we're all blaming Daddy for what's happened with the lane and the sex trafficking.

Oh that's ridiculous.

Yeah, they're saying that he was a massive narcissist who took the Lane quote under his wing.

So that's why she was suscept bull to Epstein.

I call bull on that one.

So we'll go into that in a second.

The other thing is Galline's best friend.

There has not been a letter from her now.

Her name is Ariadne Carvo Platero and they met when Glene was young in the UK.

This photos of them back in the day socializing off at Oxford and they're very good friends.

She lives in the US now.

I didn't see anything from her on the docket and I haven't seen her at court yet.

And the Maxwell's have said they were having a lot of trouble getting people to support her.

They claim Gallaine is being canceled.

I think it's that her friends, a lot of them would be absolutely disappointed and they feel betrayed.

Well, she would have tried to hide it from her family and friends as much as possible, because hell, she would have known it was wrong.

Sen Do you remember that Daily Mail article we found a while ago about isabel Maxwell going to Epstein's island and allegedly know if this is true, but there was a third party there that Epstein wanted to use to bug people.

Do you recall that one?

And what Isabelle said, And it was during that conference they had with her ex husband slash boyfriend who died off the cliff in France.

She said too, this gentleman along the lines of allegedly that Gallaine was recruiting for Epstein.

There's so many little bits and pieces like this conjecture.

Yeah, conjecture that's floating around out there.

But I think a lot of people are really disappointed in her.

I have read Elizabeth Maxwell, that's Betty Maxwell, Gallaine's mother.

I've read her book about four times and it's called A Mind of my Own.

Oh and it's all about Betty, I'll tell you what.

And it's fascinating because I want to talk to you about this whole perception that Daddy made her do it.

Now, when was this book published nineteen ninety six?

Okay, so there'd been the scandal Boba died and was well known that Gallaine was hanging around Epstein at this stage.

Yes, indeed, so it's good that we put it in that context.

But I want to go back a bit further, because there were signs Gallaine was headed for trouble from an early age.

Now they're saying this with Epstein is an aberration that she didn't allegedly get involved in anything else that was illegal with her other partners.

There's a mogul called Ted Waite and Scott Borgison, who is the how do we describe Scottie Scotti the borg Well, he's now going out with a journalist slash yoga teacher who, according to The Daily Fail, you can crack walnuts on her ass.

I love saying that.

I'm sorry.

Now, that's all right, say it, it's fine, you're at mugs friends, Jen.

I just want to go back just a little bit.

He had something to do with cargo metrics, didn't he He was a shipping expert.

Yes, so there you go.

So they said that there were no problems there, that she was part of functional relations and chips and she adored their children.

See, I have a theory that no one else has, okay, and it is that Glene's not that smart.

No, she's not.

Okay, good, I'm glad you agree.

Well, I believe that she's been leading her legal team.

Yes, look, she's got a strong personality and she's got charisma, but she's not smart.

And I think the problem is we see time and time again it's Maxwell's arrogance and she thinks she should be treated differently to the rest of us.

The laws don't apply.

So this is an absolutely chilling sliding doors moment.

Now, does everyone know what I mean by that sliding doors?

It's like two things on the same day.

They're minor, but they have totally different outcomes.

And what Elizabeth Maxwell says in her book was when Glene was quite tiny, her school headmaster said she had low intelligence, was disruptive and needed psychotherapy.

And the wife of media frauds to Robert Maxwell, accounts it breezily and it's like she's just ordering a pizza.

Oh well, so we sent her off to another school where they said she was very intelligent academically gifted.

How do you go from low IQ to academically gifted and needing to see a psychotherapist?

Jen, It's possible.

I suppose she did start seeking attention by behaving badly at school and letting her work deteriorate her head master.

Although a distinguished philosopher, Jen had a poor understanding of the psychology of small children.

Her conclusion was that Glene was not very bright, and because she was also a disruptive influence, she recommended we removed her from the school.

She got kicked out as a little tiny thing.

So was Glene like an Escha before they were eschs?

Oh, perhaps I wonder she was a goth or a punk.

No, it's all about the money and working for daddy.

Back then, what Betty does.

She takes Glene to a specialist at Oxford who conducted a series of tests confirming that she was highly intelligent and clearly giving poor results at school because it was the wrong type of school.

Well, she went to four different schools in her lifetime, all around that Oxford area, so it's not a case of they moved cities or locations, therefore forcing a new school sounds like they were school shopping exactly.

So I think it's a chilling tale of an opportunity lost to save the youngster from her fate, because maybe with the psychotherapy could have made her a little bit more robust, because her sister Anne has been doing psychotherapy and she's now a psychotherapist herself.

She refers to it in her letter to the court.

And moreover, I suppose if you're listening, you'd be aware that when Gallaine was younger, the family said she had anorexia because she was ignored for the first three years of her life after her brother died well, he had an accident the day after her birthday and he was on life support for years.

See.

I find it interesting that all this bad stuff, except for one incident, has been mined from Betty's book.

Yes, have the family used Betty's book as an excuse for Galaine?

And then you have to look at why did Betty write this book?

What was her motivation?

Speaking of Betty, what did she do after she went on a big overseas trip, She went and visited the Sun on life support rather than going home to her other children.

Now that's mentioned in the book that Gallaine didn't get enough contact from her mum, and I'm surprised there's not more blame laid at Betty's feet.

Now.

I say this because I spoke to Laura Goldman, who is a journalist who has a relationship with the Maxwell family, and she told me it was Betty who beat down Gallaine's spirit.

Isn't that interesting?

See, that's what I think about Betty's book.

It was her chance to write, her effortaph set the records straight so when she died people didn't think she was behind all the scandal in the family.

She wrote it after her husband died, the mirror pension fun went missing, the boys were in bankruptcy court, and Galaine was running around with a sex offender.

So I think her book was her trying to shift blame and blame Bob for everything.

Yes, Bob has been blamed for everything, and I'm surprised they didn't make him look more ghoulish.

For instance, that whole thing about him hitting her hand with a hammer, which I talked about in the last episode.

Bob was a big man.

If he was there with a hammer and whacked her on the hand, it wouldn't have been bruised.

It would have been broken.

Indeed, we'll never really know what went on in the Maxwell family, but we can get some idea.

This is obviously a primary source we've got here from Betty.

The historian Ben MacIntyre, his sister was childhood friends with Galaine, and he tells the story that quote Glene was envied, admired teas for her money and mocked for her slow reading.

And that's in an article for airmail.

And while Gallayne did attend prestigious Oxford University.

Now these are my words.

The consensus is that father Robert Maxwell had bought her spot.

McIntyre told how Robert Maxwell would invite school friends to the family's home of Heddington Hill Hall.

Did you know it's now like a lecture center for the University of Oxford.

No, he would make her friends and Galline take part in reading competitions.

However good the other girls were, he declared Gallaine the winner every time.

McIntyre wrote, that doesn't sound like a monster.

It sounds like he was trying to encourage her.

Yes, that sounds completely different to everything she has said, her team has said, her siblings have said, and Mummy wrote in the book, I think if anything.

Bob was the one who was pushing her up, giving her a good, solid bass like you are the best, You are the best.

It's not decent parenting, but it's not abusive in the way the family is trying to portray it.

Now.

Look, I know Robert Maxwell was not an easy man, but I reject the assumption that he forced her into Epstein's clutches exactly.

And then there's the big lie that after the father died, she was just right for the picking with Epstein.

Okay, well, Maxwell family, how then is it that we saw Gallaine's name on Epstein flight logs before Robert Maxwell died?

As I said in the last episode, were we all at the same trial, because it seems her legal team missed huge bits of evidence.

Well, also, she was living in New York when her father died exactly, so this myth Janet must be corrected.

But as much as the legal team protests now before the sentencing on June twenty eight, it's hard to find anyone who now believes her tale of woe except for her family and her lawyers, and a lot of people are just avoiding her.

And wasn't there gen one person who refused to go to the trial, the criminal trial.

Well, she said she had a massive list of witnesses and one of them, Kelly Bevino, who was an employee, refused to turn up and Gallayne's team were carrying on about arresting her and all this other crap.

But she wasn't the only one that refused to turn up.

Also, they want her arrested, do they That's interesting, and they want Kelen arrested.

They want everybody arrested.

Oh so did Sarah Kelen make her do it as well?

Obviously?

You know, come on, guys, there's a writer, Anna Pasternak, and you may have seen her on some of the documentaries.

She went to Oxford and moved in the same social circles as Gallaine, and she said it was very clear to me as an undergraduate that she was interest in power and money.

Now, Anna was in the Peacocks series and she was the only one who just basically said this was Goalline, there's no excuses.

Everybody else, especially Lady Victoria, was giving her a way out in a way.

So, Lady Victoria Harvey is Gleane's friend and Andrew's ex girlfriend, and she has been really attacking Virginia on Instagram in a terrible way, and her quote about the trial and the fourth survivors was, there was nothing to see here, So what Glene grabbed someone on the tit appalling.

She was in those same documentaries, you know, but she wasn't as outspoken as she is now.

No, in that series.

In the Peacock one, she was all like, oh, you know, she was great, it was fun.

I had no idea.

But then she's coming out and saying, Virginia faked the photo.

Virginia did this.

They're all that victim blaming, survivor shaming, but yet Anna basically said it how it was.

Anna copped a bit of backlash though for that probably would have from the posh people.

Yes, Anna says she was one of those people at parties who always looked over his shoulder to see if there was someone more powerful or more interesting while she was air kissing you.

We've all know those, don't we We all know those types.

They're relying on the so called evidence of Betty's book when it's really hearsay, and we believe it's Betty rewriting her history.

Yes, so we do believe they are relying on Betty's book as a one hundred percent record of what went on when Gallaine was younger before ninety six.

Yes, and I believe that Betty's book was her trying to set her history straight so she wasn't blamed for anything to do with the pension fund.

Remember, she even asked where her pension was and complained about having no money.

So her husband ran off with four hundred million from those pension funds and he rapped up billions of debt.

But where is it?

Well, you might have a clue.

I do, but I just need to say from the outset, the Maxwell family has no idea about any crimes that Gallaine did, and certainly any of the thefts that a father did.

Is that right?

That's what they are consistently saying, Well, I'm going to talk about something now that they have no unaided recollection of jen I think that's a fancy way of saying I don't remember or no comment.

A major investigation is exposing how at least two Maxwell family members and long time associates put their fortune into a complex web of offshore corporate and trust networks.

Now the Maxwells say they do not know where their father's money went, So that's important to say, but it's something that's fascinated me.

Jen Where did those billions go?

And I'm convinced Jeffrey Epstein was involved in it somehow, absolutely, and that's another reason why Gallaine hung around him.

She might have even been sent by the Emily to keep an eye on the money.

I think also it was a reason why Epstein kept her around.

Worked both ways.

It did, so it wasn't just that they're in love and they had a relationship.

Think towards the end she was pretty sick of him and he was pretty sick of her, Like we can tell from what some of the staff were told in Florida by Glenn that she's just sick of Jeffrey, and how Jeffrey told staff to get rid of all her photos when he had other women round.

So the Independent wrote something amazing about the Maxwell pension funds and what a pension fund is.

It's like payment that you use in your retirement and he was meant to be keeping it aside in trust for the employees of the Mirror Newspaper Group, or the Maxwell Communications Group as it was also called.

So the Independent wrote, while we're about it, perhaps someone could answer MP Frankfield's conundrum.

How did the billions in Robert Maxwell's mirror group pension fund moved themselves from one place to the other.

Was it a secular miracle?

Maybe the pension funds were sentient.

Yes, perhaps they are.

We know the story that Gallaine was ordering staff to shred things just after Robert Maxwell had died.

When I say things, it was on his boat where he died.

She had a shred her out and she's been very determined to get everything shredded.

There must be a reason, absolutely, even though in the documents from the previous episode they talk about how the brothers were the ones who took on everything after Daddy died.

Yeah, there she was with the shredder.

At one point she turned up with thirty thousand dollars from the UK from Kevin and Ian just to settle things with the boat, because it really was getting to a tipping point before Robert Maxwell died.

Not even the staff on the boat we're getting paid properly, and Betty Maxwell had to give them like ten thousand US dollars just to tide it over until Galaine turned up with that money.

You don't really hear of that in other families.

Do you no, I'd say, I'll give you thirty bucks.

You can go down to the hot bread shop and get us a loaf of bread, but not thirty thousand US dollars.

Fascinating.

So obviously the report came out from a consortium of journalists last week and the Miami Herald, and it's about a trust out of the Channel Island of Jersey.

It's a UK territory Jersey.

I just wanted to point out something that might be causing the Maxwell's issues when it comes to responding to the complaints, because did you know in a court action in the two thousands, Kevin Maxwell said he had a policy of deleting all emails and destroying all documents.

It's quote, it is not my policy to store copies of emails in electronic form beyond the duration of the project to which they refer, he said.

And this was in the Independent.

So that's why he can't reck elect or can't remember.

So we'd like to help you, Kevin, maybe you should start keeping records because the memories not as good as it once was.

Perhaps, so there's this defunct trust in Jersey called Lahove, and the documents were discovered relating to the trust in an abandoned squash court Jen.

Documents from the file suggest a trust appears to have been working on behalf of Kevin and Ian Maxwell's so they may not know about it.

They may have entrusted it to a third party.

This trust engaged in suspicious trading activities, in particular relating to the family's telecommunications company, Telemond, which I have been obsessed about for a very long time.

When I found out that their first job after bankruptcy was starting up a telecommunications firm, I was dead.

Jen.

Absolutely, millions of dollars moved through questionable related party transactions veiled by offshore companies, so we're look at fake companies essentially, Experts said.

Many of the transactions outlined in the leak files have red flags, so they're indicative of alleged fraud.

So the LAHOGE files show Kevin and Ian clandestinely moving millions of dollars to offshore accounts after their father's death bomb Boom.

So this is from the nineteen nineties until the mid two thousands, and Lahog was doing this up until about two thousand and eight.

But the fascinating thing is the family were and it wasn't just Kevin and Ian, but they were transactions deposits to members of Maxwell family, including Galaine.

So when Galaine Maxwell's legal team keeps pointing out that she's not an heiress, that's possibly a bit of a stretch.

William K.

Black is a law professor at the University of Missouri, and he reviewed the documents and the transactions, and he said there were signs of potential tax evasion and fraud through transactions involving stock from publicly traded companies and warned the involvement of multi family members in the transactions was a red flag.

So the Maxwells are saying, in relation to the Miami Herald and the Consortium of journalists, neither I nor my brother Kevin, to whom I have spoken, have any unaided recollection of a company called Lahogue, and certainly were not involved as investors, shareholders, directors, agents, or representatives of that company.

Wow.

So when the money turned up into their various accounts, they must have been so surprised.

The League files offer a rare glimpse into how Kevin and Ian Maxwell conducted business through opaque shell companies.

And did you know the documents after they were discovered jen in the squash court.

They were handed over to police in two thousand and fifteen and nothing was done.

See that there itself needs to be looked at closely.

So the brothers were charged but found not guilty in nineteen ninety six of misusing one hundred and twenty two million pounds in shares belonging to the Maxwell company pension funds in loans from National Westminster Bank.

It's interesting how when you come across these types of things there's always random regional banks involved.

So Telemond is at the center of the allegations, and it was one of the first entities, as I said earlier, established by the Maxwell family.

After the pension scandal, I had to look at their listing documents in the US and in nineteen ninety nine, Telemond was an international communications company that is creating a global network which will connect developed countries and regional centers in emerging markets.

So interestingly, they were working throughout Africa, Russia, all throughout Eastern Europe because at that time the nineties was just bubbling away with bits of former Russian state infrastructure for sale, smashing grab market.

Not that I'm saying the Maxwell's did it there was a lot of liquidity at the time in Eastern Europe, and I am convinced that Robert Maxwell was a money launderer, primarily the media companies.

They were just street dressing.

So Maxwell helped the communist leadership of Bulgaria to transfer about two billion dollars in foreign currency out of Bulgaria.

Who'd be interested in something like that?

Then someone in America, Gen, I wonder, So the Guardian found classified documents that approve the formation of this so called joint venture.

The best predictor of future behavior, gen, is past behavior.

Would you agree?

Certainly?

If you're interested in this.

There will be more on the website Jeffrey Epstein podcast dot com.

Now, while we're in Europe, we're going to hop over to the UK and talk about him.

Bear with the sorehead Prince Andrew.

Apparently he's very upset with Prince William and Prince Charles for clipping his wings.

They don't want to be seen with him.

No, and he wasn't allowed to go to the Ascot horse race, and they made a big deal about his daughter's going though, did they.

I didn't see that a horse shied on Beatrice or something.

Weird like that.

There's been a lot of dead cats, especially with Camilla.

Lots of headlines with Camilla these days, how good she is, obviously or set to distract people from Prince Andrew.

Yes, but we'll keep talking about him.

Apparently he's looking forward to a showdown with his nephew and his brother, Prince Charles when they all go on their summer holiday in Scotland.

Bale morel oh.

When Fergie's also been out saying that he was the most honorable man and she'd remarry him in a heartbeat.

No one listens to her anymore.

No one cares Fergie.

I am totally done with Andrew.

So thank you so much for listening to us today.

My name's Lisa Tate.

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So everyone's in a tizzy about Gillayne Maxwell's sentencing.

The Parole Board says twenty years, the government says twenty four, and she's demanding four years and three months.

Well, in my not so humble opinion, that bitch needs at least fifty years, because quite frankly, I've been stuck in this bloody laundry for what is it, almost three years.

She deserves more time than that, and she thinks her conditions are bad.

She's got nothing on my confinement, nothing at all.

I suppose I should thank some of you patreons, but none of you have organized my airfares out of this place anyway.

No thanks to Sally joodle Bugs, Mountene, Nancy, Christina Oxenburg, send me some money.

Nicole L.

Presidente and Diane and the rest of you can all go to Hell as always.

Bugger off.

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