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Ghislaine Maxwell a "Florida Woman" Dershowitz to Depose Wexner

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A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a billionaire who may or may not have been murdered.

Welcome to the world of the Jeffrey Epstein.

The Prince and the Pervert Podcast.

Journalists Lisa and Jan bring you the ultimate deep dive.

Hello, and welcome to The Prince and the Pervert Podcast.

My name is Lisa Tate and I'm Jen Tarrant.

There's lots of news around, isn't there.

Gin Well, I'm fine, Lisa, but I'm not sure Gallaine Maxwell or her family will be.

After news broke that she's going to Florida.

I've also got a heap of Alan Dershowitz and the civil case that he's fighting against Virginia du Frey.

She slapped him with a defamation suit in April twenty nineteen.

He faffed around and then countersued her.

But more on that later.

So back down to Florida.

Galaine Maxwell thought she was going to end up in Danbury in Connecticut, and that's where her legal team and her family wanted her place.

That's the same facility that Teresa Judais from the Real Housewives of New Jersey was at.

It's known as a bit of a picnic compared to some jails.

But no, she's been sent off to Tallahassee in Florida.

It's apparently about a five hour drive from Palm Beach, you know, where she was involved in setting up massages and recruiting young girls for Epstein.

What will the chances be that one of Epstein and her survivors will have friends in that facility, or as we know what trauma can do to young people, there may be some survivors in that facility.

It's a bit of a shock, that's for sure.

On the Department of Prison's website, if you search for Galaide Maxwell, she comes up with a registered number two eight seven nine DASH five O nine age sixty race, white sex female, release date seven seventeen, two thousand and thirty seven, which is the seventeenth of July two thousand and thirty seven, located at FCI Talahassee.

And as we're recording this, still no word from the family Twitter account Real Gallaine protesting about this move because at least a Danbury the Jubians were about an hour or so down the road.

That's Glen and Ava Juban.

Ava was Epstein's former girlfriend, a Miss Sweden Taboot and Glenn was a hedge fund owner who married Ava, and of course Jeffrey was known as Uncle Jeffrey and he was also the father of their three children.

We spoke about the elder Selena in a recent episode and how CDs were discovered in the FBI raid on Epstein's New York townhouse and those CDs were labeled Selena a v show.

Jen, Let's go on a trip to France, Ula La We I want to talk about Gallaine's mother, Betty Maxwell, otherwise known as Elizabeth Maynard.

That was her maiden name.

Around the time of the bankruptcy, Betty was very clear in saying she had no money.

She told the journalist Edward Klein in nineteen ninety two, they say, I have five hundred thousand dollars.

Those are lies.

I haven't anything.

But yet around that time she managed to give Ian Maxwell, her son, five hundred thousand pounds four creditors, and she raised nine hundred thousand pounds four.

Kevin and Ian's her sons their legals once they were charged in relation to the pension fraud, but they were found not guilty.

That's an insane amount of money for a woman who claims not to have anything, yes, and says she needs a pension fund.

Yes, so she said, I am in great financial difficulty.

They've stopped my pension from the Mirror Group newspapers.

The only person who has actually lost her pension is me.

All the others have continued to be paid.

My husband's will is impounded.

I haven't salted away anything because I never, for a minute believed that he'd leave me destitute.

They say I have that five hundred thousand.

It wasn't my way of spiriting things away anyway.

I don't have access to funds.

I was never involved in Bob's business.

That's from the Sunday Times nineteen ninety two.

Jen Quite often in relation to Gallaine, when she first moved to New York, people say that she had a pension that her father had set up for her out of Lichtenstein.

So that was the one hundred thousand pound trust fund that she had, Yes, that's the one that she had.

Now, all that money came out of Lichtenstein.

And a journalist here who is from the Times of London, and it was after Betty had put out her autobiography in nineteen ninety four.

Quote the journalist says only once in our long interview, during which she submits to questions about Lichtenstein funds.

Quote, this is Betty.

There have been hundreds of administrators looking through everything with a magnifying glass.

Don't you think they would have found it if it existed?

And her French chateau jen Now she later spends her life in the French chateau.

She said to the journalists, don't be absurd, of course it's not a chateau.

And the precise nature of the debts which forced her to write the book, And whether she will donate any royalties to the pensioners if it sells like the Bible, Yes, that's a no.

Personally, I can do nothing because I have no money myself.

Someone printed that I'm one of the richest women in England.

If that was true, would I approve an option of all my personal belongings jewelry dishes everything and just stand aside helplessly.

Everything is going to the creditors.

I need to find a job to support myself, otherwise what would I eat?

And yet she had a home, She had quite a few.

For a while, Robert Maxwell's will was impounded.

The Financial Time's got a copy of it in June nineteen ninety two, and it says I give devise and bequeath my wife, Elizabeth Maxwell, or my right title and interest, and to the three apartments located in France, which both she and I have an interest.

Okay, so we've got the chateau and three apartments.

Well there's actually two chateaus as well, and then there's the boys apartment.

So two chateaus, three apartments and the boys apartment.

Yes, so does the family still own them?

That's the question, Lisa, what do you know?

It is very complicated, and I have some spies who live in France who were trying to work that out for me.

The Guardian in December nineteen ninety one it said receivers were set to cast eye over Maxwell's luxury chateau, but proving ownership in France can be difficult.

The Observer follows nineteen ninety six.

It's interesting the figures that are put on the fraud that Robert Maxwell did this one say four million quote a hidden pot of gold spirited away into secret Swiss bank accounts, and the Nordex group had some relationships with people in Russia and Ian and Kevin in this article from January nineteen ninety six were mentioned in relation to that, although we must say they have been found not guilty, in no case to answer when it comes to this fraud.

So we come back to the Sunday Times.

And you know Betty's so has such a big heart.

She was letting her belongings be auctioned off.

Well, the auction was scrapped after she insisted that the furniture and objets de art were all her personal property.

So again out of bounds.

But she's destitute, yes, and this is how she was living in Paddington Hall, which was the Maxwell base in Oxford for many many years.

She had to let go of two maids the shame, and Betty was the only one living there at the time as far as I know, So why would she need all these maids dust?

But she was able to keep the Filipino cook and the housekeeper.

She said when she was releasing her book in nineteen ninety four, while at the Plaza Hotel, she had nowhere to go.

So that's despite having two chateaus, three Paris apartments, and the Sun's owned a apartment near one of the chateaus.

Yes, and also the Duke of Westminster was allowing her to live in his four bedroom apartment in the center of London, so she had nowhere to go.

No, honestly, Jen, my heart bleeds.

But you're still having trouble finding out whether any of these residences or chateaus or apartments are still in the family name.

We're trying to because she could have had a will that we know nothing about.

Obviously she had a will, but finding it.

Where has this property and the proceeds from the sales of these properties gone?

She had one property in her maiden name, the one that she claimed wasn't a chateau.

It looks like a chateau to me.

I think there are two turrets.

Now, that's a good explanation.

When you hear turrets means something's going on, some kind of fanciful construction.

How many rooms.

I know that there's four bedrooms, but it's got massive grounds, a swimming wool, a full driveway, absolutely manicured outdoor areas.

It's better than anything I've stayed in.

And it goes through about six thousand euro a night.

Now, uh huh.

I think that we should like rent it out.

Maybe that's the only way we'll find out who's looking after the property.

Well, Headington Hill Hall might be cheaper at Oxford.

So the place with the turrets is known around town as the freyer to Manor.

It's fat et.

So I take it you don't have an idea of how much this whole slew of property is was valued.

No.

One of Betty's daughters, Isabelle, was in a relationship with al Seckel.

He was a magician, sash fraudstar who came to a very sad end off a cliff in France.

They lived in another property that's linked to Betty's family on her maidens side.

So it's called the Castle of La Mala Tree.

And I can see at least five turrets in the picture.

I'll put these all on Jeffrey Epstein podcast dot com.

So that was also held by the family, Yes, on her family side, so the mainards side.

Yes.

So it's quite amazed, Jen, but we're going to be looking into it.

And now I went back to Betty's book, and it is important to understand what happened at the time of Robert Maxwell's death.

So who helped her?

Quote this is page five twenty nine from a mind of my own.

That's the name of the biography.

I was however, received compassionately by many others, in particular by an American businessman who'd gotten to know Bob during his brief ownership of The New York Daily News and admired his support for Israel.

Well, Jin, what do you think of that?

Who's the businessman?

I'm going to come out on allege here.

I'm going to say I think it's Les Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein's only client, allegedly and the owner of Torria's Secret.

But Betty doesn't state the name of the man, does she.

No, she doesn't.

That's just a Lisa take guess.

It's a very interesting guess.

Now.

Upon Maxwell's death, Glaine's brother Kevin flew by concord to New York, paid for by an unidentified donor to help organize a rescue package for the New York Daily News.

That is interesting.

No one's ever been able to find out who that donor was.

No, unless it was Jeffrey Epstein allegedly, I don't know.

Now.

Despite the family constantly saying that Golaine met Epstein after her father's death, we know from court tabled documents that she was on a test flight with Epstein in the April of nineteen ninety one.

Bob died in November nineteen ninety one.

There was also an American company was called pH In Brackett's US, Inc.

And it was found to have been paid Kevin Maxwell and to have been a route through which millions of pounds of assets from the Maxwell empire have been passed.

Who is pH Jen No idea.

It could stand for a name, or it could stand for another company.

So a lot of these trusts and charity things probably don't exist anymore, which makes it harder to try and track all this money.

Oh yes, something will come up.

This is my new hobby gen Some people do arts and crafts.

I try to find money.

So we don't know if anything the Maxwell family still owns in France, but we're looking into what we can find, and if anyone has any expertise in this area, please contact us.

It'd be interesting to know how much all that property was valued at at the time of Robert's death.

Yes, and she wanted a pension.

Yes, it didn't get a much popularity though she lived in another world.

Absolutely, but then again, we've seen Gallaine and her siblings act well.

I think if anything, because as I said, you're not accusing anyone of anything money laundering or whatever, but of anything, we can get an idea of how they approach problems, what their rhetoric is, and it's usually lies, lies, lies, and it also shows what they consider to be poverty, completely different to the rest of the world.

I think it's interesting that Galline's pension money it came to her via Lichtenstein, but that's probably an opportunity that we will never be able to find out.

Now a lot of this has been gone, a lot of the records.

I remember reading articles from around that time, and it kept mentioning that trust fund the hundred thousand pounds and how it was so little to live on in New York at the time.

I'm sorry, but that was ridiculous.

Now there've been a couple of excellent articles about the family's alleged links to a trust called lahog as well.

That's more recent, and that trust paid out to Betty Maxwell in the early two thousands, and that's the papers that were recently found in the Jersey Island squash court.

Yes, it is well, Betty owned quite a bit of property.

She did.

Poor Betty.

I wonder where it's gone or who controls it now.

She has a lot of family on her side again, so there are some nephews, some grand nephews.

What a family.

And I found their names in the Epstein Black Book to the cousins, of course, yeah, because we all know that book was based on Gallaine Maxwell's phone book.

Epstein really wouldn't have wanted those numbers or a list of Bob's favorite restaurants in New York exactly.

In the latest news, in the Guffre v.

Dershowitz case, which is for libel and slander, it seems that Alan Dershowitz now has to hand over his tax returns.

There was a phone in conference a few days ago and he was told got to hand them over now.

Regular listeners would know that we've been talking about dersh and his tax returns for months.

He dropped the part of the suit where he wanted economic damages, stating because he dropped that he didn't need to show his tax returns.

He also used his wife as an excuse, saying that she didn't want their joint filings shown in court.

Well, Judge Loretta Presca said no, he must hand them over now.

What's going to be interesting about that is to see how much income flowed from Jeffrey Epstein into Alan Dershowitz's various bank accounts.

The fact he fought so hard to keep them out races quite a few eyebrows now.

Dersh also hit the news this week.

We always call him the world's most famous naked volleyballer, but other people are picked up on this as well, and there was a fantastic thread tweets by Craig Unger, who is the best selling author of five books on the GOP War on Democracy and a Vanity Fair contributor for about fifteen years.

He wrote Okay.

In the nineties, I was an editor of a Boston magazine and we ran a guide to Martha's Vineyard, including nude Beach's bavide by local celebs such as one Alan dersh.

As soon as it appeared, I got an angry call from drsu Witch shouting at me that we have to attract it because he had never been to a nude beach in his life.

For a moment, I was genuinely upset.

I don't like to make mistakes and didn't realize that Dersh doesn't always tell the truth.

I said I would look into and went to the reporter who wrote the story, ready to chew her out if she had heard.

But before I could finish, she reached in her desk and got out of photo to show me that had images that has been seared into my brains alas for more than twenty years.

The nude man in the photo had some lotion or something on his genitalia, but other than that looked exactly and that's inc caps like Dersh.

So I called dersh back again.

He yelled and screamed and said it couldn't possibly be him.

Back to the reporter this time, I asked if she could identify the woman next to the dersch clone.

I was told the woman was Caroline Cohen aka missus Alan Dershwitz.

In the end, no retraction, and dersh has become a vocal proponent of nude beaches.

And as for the image itself, so that was a lovely thread about the fact that dersh put zinc cream or sunscreen on his todger.

But it's been known for a long time that Alan loved his nude volleyball.

There's a Newsmax piece from December two thousand and one, and it's titled Alan Dershevitz, I enjoy getting naked at nude Beach button Down.

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershevitz admitted Saturday that he enjoys getting naked at a clothing optional beach on Martha's Vineyard, and defended his sandy frolics by claiming that Eleanor Roosevelt used to do the same thing.

The bizarre confession came as WABC radios Richard Bay interviewed Peter Simon about his new book I and I Pictures of My Generation, about how the nineteen sixties changed American culture.

Dershevitz, apparently a friend of Simon, phoned in to talk about the book.

Dershevitz, you know, when I started teaching Harvard Law in nineteen sixty four, it was a crime for anybody to faunicate, that is, to have sex with someone with whom you are not married.

That was a crime in Massachusetts.

Even the extreme right, with a few exceptions, have accepted the notion that sex is not the government's business.

Richard Bay except that now foraunication has become a form of entertainment.

Simon, Alan, let's bring it back home.

You and I both go to this wonderful nude beach on Martha's vineyard that never would have happened without the sixties.

By Alan, I've got to tell you something.

With the listening audience here at ABC, they are now screaming and pulling their hair out at the thought of Alan Dershevitz running on the beach.

Dershevitz laughing nervously.

Ah, I've been Nobody is required to imagine that phenomenon, Bay, Thank you, Simon.

Don't you think Allan that the popularization of that sort of intimacy in a kind of public way was an effect of the sixties?

Derschewitz, No, I don't, actually, because I think you know, Eleanor Roosevelt used to run naked on that nude beach, Simon.

But it wasn't a movement.

Bay.

That's another thing I'd rather not ponder, Dershowitz.

I don't see that as a movement.

I see that as just a personal You know, people, there are a lot of beaches, there's a lot of privacy.

People do what they want.

Skinny dipping is as popular among conservatives as it is liberals.

Bracket's end of excerpt.

So that's the transcript of when Dersh joined his mate Simon the author on WABC radio.

Whether or not he's actually playing volleyball naked, we're not sure, but he has definitely omitted to running on the beach, and we do know he likes the game of volleyball, so of course we always stick them together.

Now, I spoke about that pre trial conference that Dersh and Virginia had the other day.

Now, another thing that they were told to work out was a timeline of when this case would be heard.

Originally that was going to be held in fall this year, and for those of us like Australians and those in the UK, that means around September, but no it's been pushed back now to March twenty twenty three.

Both parties have agreed that Discovery will close on November thirty this year, and Expert Discovery closing on February fifteenth.

Expert Discovery is the expert witnesses that come in.

Plaintiff understands the court had previously indicated a design to have a trial the fall of this year, but neither party now believes that is possible and indeed, we believe a March trial is optimistic and aggressive for the following reasons.

Now, I'm reading from document four ninety nine on that case docket first and foremost, and there is the next couple of paragraphs completely redacted.

Now, several times Dersh has mentioned, or the lawyers have mentioned, that his state of health isn't that great.

I don't know.

Perhaps this redaction refers to medical treatment that Dersh has organized for later in this year.

Maybe by September it will be over.

But he may still be recovering those pesky redactions.

We don't know what's behind them.

Back to the document.

Second, the parties have agreed to resume plaintiff's deposition via zoom from Australia on July twenty six, and have agreed that defendants deposition will be taken on August thirty and thirty one in Boston.

Third, given that the defender Dersche, plans to take nine depositions in addition to the ten depositions he has taken thus far, additional time for the fact an expert discovery is necessary.

Both parties have indicated they want to depose each of the individuals identified as anticipated fact witnesses by the other party to the extent those depositions have not already occur.

Based on the currently anticipated list of fact witnesses for plaintiff, this means we will be taking five depositions in addition to the one deposition that we have taken thus far, including the deposition of the defendant.

For defendant, this means defense counsel will be taking seven additional depositions, including finishing the deposition of the plaintiff.

In addition, Defense this is Dersh has indicated they intend to depose three additional individuals, na O and Virginia's mother and father.

Plaintiff anticipates subjecting to those depositions, but will address the issue with a court when and if those depositions are in fact noticed.

Fourth, it appears there will be extensive expert discovery.

Plaintiff has identified three affirmative expert witnesses and may add others if defendant continues to claim physical, emotional, and mental damages.

Remember the defendant here is Dersh.

We currently anticipate submitting expert testimony from an expert on sex trafficking, a forensic psychologist, and an expert on the dissemination of dedans defamatory statements over the Internet as noted above.

However, this list could expand depending on what claims of the defendant remain in the case.

Defendant has identified five potential expert witnesses or at least topics.

This expert discovery will require at a minimum two psychiatric evaluations a plaintiff, one from plaintiff's expert and one from defendant's expert, and defendant has indicated an intention to seek a physical evaluation of plaintiff as well, which plaintiff anticipates objecting to, but in either case will require time to resolve the objection and or schedule.

With respect to the plaintiff's currently anticipated list of fact witnesses, we have identified the following individuals we plan to call in person a trial.

One Virginia Dufray two David Boys three, Sigram McAuley four Edwards five, Paul Castle, six, David Stone seven, Anuska Di Giorgio and apologies if any of those names are read out incorrectly.

In addition, we currently anticipate submitting recorded deposition testimony from a number of witnesses.

Now that short list of people that Virginia's team is going to depose include a lot of lawyers, David Boys, Sigram McCauley, Brad Edwards, Paul Castle, and David Stone or lawyers.

Now, David Stone is an attorney who is also tied up with David Boys.

And in two thousand and fifteen it was via David Stone that Dursh tried to reach out to boys, and of course Drsh doesn't like boys.

In a New York magazine feature, he said, a boys, He's not a lawyer, he's an extortionist.

Now, the last name on that list is Annushka, who was Jeffrey Epstein's first British victim, and she spoke out at his New York hearing.

But who is dersh looking at bringing to depose?

Well, Document four ninety eight gives us a bit of a rundown so far, Professor Dershowitz.

Currently anticipated fact witnesses include himself, Virginia Dufre, Caroline Cohen, Jim Buckham, Sharon Churcher.

Now she was the journalist that broke the story about Virginia and Prince Andrew.

John Ziska, Leslie Wexner, that's right, owner of l Brand's Victoria's Secret, the man who gave Epstein that New York apartment and sold him a plane very cheaply.

Rebecca Boylan, Michael Spalholtz, Juana Lesie.

That's right.

The butler Anthony Figarola Crystal Figarola now Anthony or Tony as he's also known, was Virginia's ex boyfriend.

She was seeing him at the time that she was with Epstein and palm Beach.

Also on Dershowitz's list is na O, an artist who has admitted to recruiting women for Epstein, who also claims that she is a victim.

Caroline Andreano, who was Caroline Minor, victim four in the recent Galaine Maxwell criminal trial, Rabbi Zev Boyarski and Lisa Scarabino.

Rabbi Boyarski was praised by President Trump, according to The New York Times, for his leadership in generating support among lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and Jewish groups for the criminal Justice Reform legislation.

Rabbi Boyarski worked with Dersh on a number of clemency petitions during the administration.

In addition, Dersh reserves the right to reserves the right to call any witness identified by plaintiff rebuttal witnesses and custodian witnesses to the extent necessary, as well as additional witnesses based upon discovery yet to be conducted, as well to the extent necessary to preserve his rights.

Dersh will seek to present testimony from Sarah Ransom, Maria Farmer, and from other men who plaintiff has alled she was traffic to who have denied her allegation, and from whom the court has denied.

Professor Dersha whit's the opportunity to take discovery or offer evidence.

I wonder who he could mean?

Part two.

Dersh is currently anticipated expert witnesses.

Dersh presently intends to offer expert witnesses to testify on the topics listed below.

Each is possible that more than one of these subjects will be addressed by the same expert.

One mental health experts forensic psychiatrist and or forensic psychologist regarding plaintiffs claimed adverse mental health effects.

Two medical expert regarding plaintiff's claimed adverse physical health effects.

Three medical expert regarding defendants physical and related damages, four expert regarding memory, and five expert regarding reputational damages.

Dershowitz reserves the right to disclose rebuttal experts in response to each a plaintiff's experts, and to disclose experts in additional categories based on remaining fact discovery.

Now.

Dersha's inclusion of reputational damages is interesting because less than a week ago The New Yorker ran a story that was headlined Alan Dershowitz canceled in Martha's Vineyard, and I'll just read a few paths from it.

Alan Dershevitz became one of the most famous lawyers in America by representing high profile clients such as Jeffrey Epstein, Mike Tyson, and O.

J.

Simpson, and ameshing himself in political debates on the subjects such as torture and the Israeli occupation brackets.

He has defended both clothes brackets.

In recent years, however, his career has taken even more controversial turns, notably his public campaign against the Mueller investigation and his decision to join President Trump's legal team.

In two thousand and nineteen, Connie Bruck profiled Derschewitz for The New Yorker and looked into allegations that he had sexually abused Virginia du Frey, who was trafficked by Epsteinckets.

Dersh denies the allegations.

Dersh has had lately been going on television and Twitter to discuss cancel culture, specifically how he has been shunned on Martha's Vineyard, his long time summer getaway.

He even released the text of what he said was an email from someone who had been beaten up on the beach for reading one of his books.

I recently spoke by phone with Dershowitz, an Arematis, Professor at Law at Harvard An author of the new book The Price of Principle, Why Integrity Is Worth the Consequences.

It was released last week and happens to be about the very subject of the email he received, cancel culture and unwillingness to hear differing opinions.

He describes the book as the story of my cancelation.

During our conversation, which has been edited for lengthen clarity, we discussed what has happened to his social life since he defended Donald Trump, his falling out with Larry David, and why he compared the January sixth Committee to Macarthurism.

Now the new Yorker.

Piece was written by Isaac Schottener and it was published on July nineteenth.

Go and have a read.

It's a really good read.

So we'll keep you up to date when things move on the docket.

But how about that Dersh is going to depose Wexner or he wishes to depose Les Wexner.

That's all we have for this episode.

But there is a lot happening.

There's questions in the Virgin Islands about where all of the lllcs and the trusts of Epstein rolled into his estate, because the Butterfly Trust doesn't seem to be part of that.

And as many of you may remember, the Butterfly Trust seemed to be the vehicle through which the European, the Russian, the Eastern Bloc women were paid.

Now that Butterfly Trust, that was the trust employees used to withdraw the maximum cash him out almost every day.

The bank went, hey, what's going on here?

And that's what led to Epstein going off to the Virgin Islands and starting his own bank.

Unfortunately, when we tried to set up our own bank, we were not back, weren't we.

That was so rude.

I wanted to get my cat a bank in the US Virgin Islands and they didn't even reply.

Maybe we should have put down that we were into DNA research like Epstein did when he applied.

Absolutely Jen, So we'll be back later with more.

There's so much coming out at the moment, especially on that dirsh docket.

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So we're going to bring in now the most offensive into Earn in the Southern hemisphere, Gistain.

So stay safe everyone, Bye bye.

So hello everyone.

I can just see it now, the headlines about me Florida woman constantly.

Now I'm going to be leaving this laundry, I hope, and heading off to sunny Florida.

Anyway, I'm here to say thank you or no thank you to a few people because they've been helping these bitches out.

So no thanks to teen and Verity.

I don't like you, and stop trying to find out what happened to all my mother's properties.

You don't need to know.

There's nothing to see there.

It wasn't a castle, it wasn't a manner, it was not a chateau.

It's just a little turret with an earth floor.

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