A global criminal conspiracy, a prince, a jailed social aide, and a billionaire who may or may not have been murdered.

Welcome to the world of the Jeffrey Epstein.

The Prince and the Pervert podcast.

Journalists Lisa and Jan bring you the ultimate deep dive.

Hello, and welcome to The Prince and the Pervert Podcast.

My name is Lisa Tate and I'm Jen Tarren.

So Jen, We're continuing to report on the Jeffrey Epstein criminal conspiracy, even though I believe it's getting darker and darker by the day.

But I've decided what I'm going to do with the darkness in this case.

I have to embrace it.

I can't bide it anymore.

My frustration about no newer rests, but that's quite premature, isn't it.

It certainly is.

There's a lot of word on the street about civil cases at the very least, and there is a grand jury in Laurida that was underway around the time Gallayne Maxwell was arrested, and we have not heard anything about that exactly.

And then there's the grand jury that was in panel for Galaine Maxwell's arrest, so possibly there could be more charges against Maxwell there could be and other people.

There are going to be civil cases full stop.

For sure.

That's been confirmed.

I will go into that later.

Last Thursday, Bobby Sternham, who seems to be the lead lawyer for Gallayne Maxwell, they filed a motion to appeal.

They didn't have to give any reasons why or provide any more information.

It's just they lodged the notice they were going to appeal.

Shock, horror.

I never expected that to happen.

No, and that's a strange sarcasm by the way.

Everyone well, they will keep trying.

They'll go the whole way to the Supreme Court if they can.

The UN.

They love bringing up the UN, don't they.

Oh, yes, they do.

So this is as far as I know.

One of the first times I saw them mention the UN the Maxwell family was when Gallayne's brother, who was found bankrupt and he was from a certain period of time unable to run a business in the UK.

He was going to go to the UN about that injustice in his words, because they were stopping him from making a living because he couldn't go and work for anybody else.

No exactly, And obviously we have Gallayne at the UN.

So her sister Christine was involved in the World Economic Forum as well, and so she was part of the UN.

She fronted up there absolutely, So they loved the UN as a last port of call.

Well, we'll see about that as we go on.

So what are you going to talk about today?

I'm going to talk about Sarah Kelln Vickers, a listed but unindicted co conspirator on the Florida Please deal.

But also I'm going to be talking about her luxurious new life.

And I've got a breakdown of Galaine Maxwell's statement.

Now you're going to find this really interesting because how does her statement to the court, to the survivors, why does it bring in Selena Juban.

Now many of you would understand that Selena the daughter of Ava and Glenn Juban.

She was Epstein's former partner for eleven years and she married Glenn, who is a was a hedge fund owner billionaires.

Their first child, Selena was Epstein's god daughter.

In evidence tended in Galaine Maxwell's trial, they had a photograph of some of the hard drives and CDs that were found in Epstein's townhouse in New York, and one of those photos featured a CD with the words in sharpie on it Selena.

But we'll get to that when I talk about this statement.

And also we've got some information on the juven family, and we've found tucked away on the Internet a video of Selena, and we're also going to talk about her brother Jordan.

So let's start with Sarah Kellen.

Then, Yes, Jen, Sarah Kellen, do you think she's a victim or a cunning co conspirator in this case?

Well, and when she ended up being hired by Epstein and becoming part of his world, she was an adult, she'd been divorced, she'd been shocked up, she'd been a model, well model in quotation marks, because you've all seen the photographs that Lisa unearthed of her swamp modeling days.

I think she was old enough to know.

She was about twenty two.

She was old enough to know certainly there could be some aspect of grooming, but I understand that's what the family is pushing.

Yes, So I'm going to give you a picture of Sarah Kellen's life today, and we're going to con part to what the survivors have gone through.

Now, she's flitting between a five million dollar New York penthouse, North Carolina and two Miami luxury apartments.

One of them has one eighty degree views unobstructed of the water.

It's absolutely amazing.

And what I'm going to do is I've written a post about this, so I'll put a link to the show notes.

So since leaving the employment of pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, the forty one year old who greeted countless girls at the door of his Palm Beach mansion, continues living a life of luxury.

I find that shilling that she greeted so many girls led them up those stairs to be sexually assaulted, and yet some of those girls ended up in jail themselves, ended up in abject poverty.

Yes, her husband, Brian Vickers, who is a NASCAR driver, He's spent about six million dollars on a breathtaking apartment in the Continuum on South Beach in Miami.

Now.

They married in Wyoming in twenty and thirteen.

Now about their new digs.

Its website reads residents enjoy luxurious amenities and sprawling views of the Atlantic Ocean and coastline, Fisher Island, and the Port of Miami.

It's a two tower resort style condominium.

It's on twelve acres of manicured grounds, a four story jim and spa, three tennis courts, two luxurious pools, an open restaurant as well.

Her life has worked out really well with Vickers.

It's a dream, yeah.

And they also own another not in this apartment complex, but there is another penthouse that they had as well.

But I wanted, just for a moment, if we can think about the survivors, those poor girls who were led up the stairs by smiling Sarah now.

Tara Palmeri in Politico wrote earlier this year about the long standing role Kellen played in the Epstein operation.

Quote it's Kelen whom caught me.

Wild remembers most vividly from the day she first walked through Epstein's doors in Palm Beach in two thousand and two.

Wild was just fourteen, so we know Sarah's at least twenty two, still in middle school with a mouthful of braces to her.

Kellen's friendliness made the situation seem normal, just like Glaine did, and Courtney Wild is the one that ended up in jail, serving longer than Epstein ever did.

You're fourteen years old and you go to a mansion and then Sarah Kelen I mean, she's a beautiful woman too.

She's very nice, you know, escorts me upstairs.

Wild said an interview, it's weird, but I kind of just went with the flow of what everyone else was doing.

That's called grooming.

During a raid of Epstein's house in two thousand and five, police found phone long signed by Sarah Kelen and Tara says Epstein was essentially running an enterprise at Royal Palm Beach High School.

This is what shocks me because, in my opinion, what the judge said in galayne sentencing she is peas in a pod with Sarah Kellen, and Sarah Kellen was continually brought up in Galley Maxwell's case exactly by the judge and also by the government.

Now, this is what I mean, the difference between her salubrious life.

Quote.

Wild was living in a trailer park at the time with a mother who struggled with addiction.

She told me she feared she would become homeless without the money she was earning from Epstein.

Wild told Paul Mary, it's upsetting for her to hear that Kellen calls herself a victim.

That's what has happened.

As far as we know, she has actually applied for compensation, Yes, from the victim's fund, which is backed by Epstein's state.

Which is interesting, Sarah, because now you've got money, people can sue you, people like Courtney.

And yes, she were named in the non prosecution agreement from Florida in two thousand and eight, but that's been declared invalid in quite a few cases.

Well it was in Galains and look, maybe they can get her on something in New York or she did live in California for a while as well.

Okay, So while goes on and says she was over the age of twenty one, so I feel like she was in a state of mind to make good and bad decisions, and she repeatedly made the wrong decision.

This is the thing, Jen, that's the crux.

That is the crux of it.

You made really bad decisions as an adult, and you kept working for Epstein right up until as far as we know, two thirteen, two thousand and fourteen, and he gave you money, yes, towards your legal feet, two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in two thousand and nineteen.

They knew this was coming, They absolutely knew.

But I want to tell you something.

What I know from this case is Brad Edwards, the lawyer.

The victim's lawyer said outside the court in New York last week that they are coming for people.

And I can guarantee you Courtney Wilde is coming for you, Sarah Kelen, and she is not a lady to be trifled with.

And also Brad and Courtney they have a very strong relationship.

He was one of the few people that believed her and what she went through.

That is true, And it was Courtney who was behind all the action that led to a Florida judge apologizing to the survivors for being called prostitutes by their own government.

That's disgusting.

So I think Kellen thinks she's getting away with it, But the reality is, even if they do for some bizarre reason not indict you, the survivors are coming for you with civil actions.

So I don't know what you're going to do with all that Epstein money.

You're better, I don't know, put it in your laundry or something.

Well, they've already redone their kitchen in New York and pissed off all their neighbors and annoyed the builder.

Yes, I found a legal action against her husband.

The owner of the Penthouse in New York for some renovations that have been done, and the builder wanted to put a lean on the property, but he wasn't able to do it because City Bank already had a lean on it.

So essentially he couldn't put a lean on the value of that property to get his money because it was already mortgage to City Bank.

So we don't think he's been paid.

I'm going to call him and find out.

Vicker's mother was also listed on that, wasn't she.

He has got a lot of LLC's and Ramona Vickers his mother is listed on all of them as like registering officer.

See she's all over those documents.

So this company that was involved in was called Requerio Terror.

Sorry, my Latin's not very good.

So he's got a whole lot of companies named in Latin.

So as we know.

During Maxwell's hearing, the judge said that Kellen was criminally responsible in the Epstein sex trafficking scheme.

Jen and Galaine Maxwell's team kept pushing her as well.

She was a knowing participant, according to Judge Allison Nathan, and she was a criminally responsible participant.

Again, the defendant was Epstein's number two and the lady of the house, so she's referring to Maxwell.

There.

At some point Kellen took over some of the defendant's duties, but even after that time, the defendant retained her leadership position.

Fascinating.

You do not want jen your name to come up in relation to Gallaine Maxwell now, in the interests of fairness, I haven't been able to ever get comment from Kellen's people, but this is her story.

At seventeen, she married a man from the Jehovah Witnessed Church and moved to Hawaii.

In twenty thirteen she married Vickers.

As I said, and to date, Kellen has not helped law enforcement as far as we know.

That's the important thing.

We don't know if she has, and has rarely spoken about her time with Epstein, But when she has spoken, she said that she's a victim, that she was raped every week, and she's not a monster.

Her husband has said more about this then she has.

We found out recently that Brian Vickers is involved in a cult information group.

He was on their board but no longer.

He does have their details on his website along with the Innocence program, and he says he supports these kind of law initiatives because him and his wife have both been accused of things they haven't done.

And we spoke about this his website and these organizations early last year.

Yes, he's very generous with donations, Yes he is.

He supports fact which is a cult information group, the Sunny Center, and they are all in that justice field.

And that's what we were talking about last year that we believe the Kellum will use being groomed in a cult, being groomed again as her defense.

Well, she also said, according to Julie K.

Brown's book, she was sexually assaulted at thirteen.

So that's what we have for Sarah.

But watch this space.

It's going to be interesting.

So now let's talk about Galaine Maxwell's appeal.

But first we need to look at that statement.

I read it out last week, but I got a bit of feedback and people are seeing exactly what I saw, So I'll play it again now and afterwards.

Get ready, your honor.

It is hard for me to address the court after listening to the pain and anguish expressed in the statements made today.

The terrible impact on the lives of so many women is difficult to hear and even more difficult to absorb, both in its scale and extent.

I acknowledge their suffering and empathize deeply with all the victims in this case.

I also acknowledge that I have been convicted of helping Jeffrey Epstein commit these crimes.

And despite the many helpful and positive things I have done in my life and will continue to do to assist others during my sentence, I know that my association with Epstein and this case will forever and permanently stain me.

It is the greatest regret of my life that I ever met Jeffrey Epstein.

I have had plenty of time to think, having spent two years in solitary confinement.

I believe that Jeffrey Epstein was a manipulative, cunning, and controlling man who lived a profoundly compartmentalized life and fooled all those in his orbit.

Variously, his victims considered him a godfather, mentor benefactor, friend, lover.

It is unfathomable today to think that that is how he was viewed contemporaneously.

His impact on all those who were close to him has been devastating, and today those who even knew him briefly or never met him, but were associated with someone who did, have lost relationships, jobs, and had their lives derailed.

Jeffrey Epstein should have been here before all of you.

He should have stood before you years ago, in two thousand and five, in two thousand and nine, and again in two thousand and nineteen, all many times he was accused, charged, prosecuted.

He should have spared victims the years of chasing justice.

But today is ultimately not about Epstein.

It is for me to be sentenced, and for the victims to address me alone in court.

To you, I say, I am sorry for the pain you experienced.

I hope my conviction, along with my harsh incarceration, brings you closure.

I hope this brings the women who have suffered some measure of peace and finality to help you pulled the experiences of those so many years ago in a place that allows you to look forward and not back.

I also acknowledge the pain this case has wrought to those I love, the many I held and still hold close, the relationships I have lost and will never be able to regain.

It is my sincerius wish to all those in this court room and all those outside, that this day brings a terrible chapter to an end.

And to those of you who spoke here today and those who did not, may this day help you travel from darkness into light.

Gallaine Maxwell, June twenty eight.

The first paragraph that acknowledges the pain and anguish expressed in the statements made today.

She says that it's really hard for her to address the court after listening to the pain and anguish.

It's hard for me, as in Galaine is the victim for having to listen to all of those the terrible impact on the lives of so many is difficult to hear and even more difficult to absorb.

She's forgetting she was there that sentence, is trying to separate herself from those crimes.

The kicker, I acknowledge their suffering and empathize deeply with all the victims in this case.

Again, it is my belief that she's trying to say that, yes, I'm a victim too.

Now she does say that she acknowledges that I have been convicted of helping Epstein commit these crimes.

Again, she brings in Epstein it was Epstein, and that she was convicted for helping.

She's not saying yes, I did it.

I did these things.

She's saying, I got convicted for it.

She is not at any point admitting guilt.

Then there's the whole I've been helpful and I'll keep doing that, but my association with Epstein and this case has stained me again.

She's placing herself as a victim.

This victimhood continues.

She hates the fact that she ever met Jeffrey, and she's already spent two years in solitary confinement because of him, and he fooled everyone, including herself.

Apparently.

Now this was the worst sentence, the one that really jumped out at me.

Variously, his victims considered him a godfather, mentor, benefactor, friend, lover, godfather.

That's Selena Juban, daughter of Ava and Glenn Juban.

Ava was Epstein's girlfriend for about eleven years before he met Glene.

She married Glenn Juban, who used to own a hedge fund the Billionaires.

So is this little section saying sorry to Selena knowing that the word godfather will be picked up on?

Is this a way pointing at Ava and Glenn.

Ava, as you would all know, was one of the witnesses that she called to the stand.

Ava of course has memory problems at the moment, but I'll ask Lisa about what she thinks about that later.

So godfather, mentor, benefactor, friend, love, these are all people in Epstein's sphere.

She's not talking about his survivors.

She's talking about his friends and their family.

It's not about survivors.

And the next part, she's giving a nod to her estranged husband, Scott Orginson.

She mentions, and today those who even knew him briefly or never met him, but were associated with someone who did.

That's her she's talking about, have lost relationships, jobs, and had their lives derailed.

A few people being pushed out of their own companies due to their association with Epstein.

Scott Borginson was one because he married Gallaine and in fact, he didn't talk to her for three months before the FBI went and picked her up.

Next, Gallaine talks about how Jeffrey should have been there in two thousand and five, two thousand and nine, and again in two thousand and nineteen, blame shifting.

I'm only here because Jeffrey isn't, That's what she's trying to say.

But she was part of this and that was proven.

Then she says but today's ultimately not about Epstein.

It is for me to be sentenced and for the victims to address me alone in court.

She's not saying sorry again.

She's not admitting to the crime.

To you.

I say, I am sorry for the pain you experienced.

She's not saying I'm sorry I caused you pain.

I'm sorry about my involvement in the criminal activities, the sex trafficking.

She's just saying, if you experience pain, well, I'm sorry that you experienced pain.

And then she dives back into saying sorry and going I'm a victim because my loved ones I also acknowledge the pain this case has wrought to those I love, The many I held and still hold close, the relationships I have lost and will never be able to regain.

This is pure victim here from Galai Maxwell.

Just before sentencing, she was calling out Ted Waite and his kids, calling out Scott Orginson, saying how they still supported her, but she'd lost the relationships she had with these two men and their children because of Epstein.

And she kept naming Ted Waite where previously she hadn't mentioned him at all.

So none of this was an apology to survivors.

The only people she truly apologize to were the men she had relationships with, Ted Waite, Scott Borgenson, even though she doesn't name them in here, and to her family and close friends.

In my opinion, this was not an apology to any of the survivors.

But of course, seeing as she's going to appeal, it's probably best that she didn't admit any guilt whatsoever.

But what will the grounds for appeal be?

Having seen the way her legal team operates, They're going to try everything.

They're going to throw mud at the wall until something sticks, So they'll be throwing up stuff that isn't legally allowed, isn't part of the process of an appeal, But no doubt they'll choke the court.

They'll choke the docket.

Already back in April, she tried to get the trial dismissed because of Scottie during number fifty.

They'll try Scottie again, or sure, because he did not disclose being sexually abused as a child, they will drag that up again.

But there's plenty of other legal arguments they can use.

Her lawyers have already said that the conviction was tainted because the evidence did not prove her guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Another reason could be that it took so long to prosecute her.

Why didn't they do it before?

If they truly thought she was involved in the sex trafficking, why didn't they do it before.

They'll also throw up, in my opinion, how she was housed the solitary.

They'll bring up every time someone was late turning on a light, a computer, or there was issues getting paperwork into the court or hard drives so she could look at her discovery.

Everything is on the table, I believe.

So, Lisa, do you think along the same lines as I do about that reference to godfather means she was apologizing to Selena perhaps, or is she trying to point the finger at other people like her parents, because Virginia Dupres said she was assaulted by Ava and Glenn Juban, not Selena.

So we just want to say here there is no suggestion that Selena Juban has done anything illegal or been involved in sexual assault.

If anything, she is one of the victims of this whole conspiracy as well.

She was a child, yes, because Epstein was godfather to their three children.

Exactly.

Now, what did you think about Ava Juban's time on the stand though, Remember she had a memory problem, medical issue, and it was glossed over and ignored.

No one asked what it was.

I'm going to keep my eye on you, Ava Juban, because you do do a lot of YouTube videos where you speak to people and you discuss cancer and breast technology and have the recent ones just before her testimony, they were fairly normal.

Well, yes, was one where they were celebrating ten years of their breast cancer center at Mount Sinai and she seemed altogether Yes, but I'm not a doctor, neither am I.

But I just saw that its interesting, So I will be watching you.

But guess what else I've found?

What the Juven's love YouTube?

Well, yes, they do self promoters.

Now this kind of broke my heart actually, So Selena Jubn uploaded a video two months ago talking about career in medicine.

So she's studying to be a doctor and she wants to work in dermatology.

And there were some school kids there asking her questions.

But she introduced herself and she said, and I actually gasped, she said, my mother is my hero and my inspiration.

Right, if you have children in the car, you might want to turn the podcast off for a second.

Fuck me dead, Jen, That poor girl, they have messed with her mind.

And I'm sorry, but we've got Virginia's testimony about what they did.

Ronaldo Rizzo there but la okay, Now we've also got on top of that what we saw at the trial.

Her own mother was there far out, Like, I feel so bad for that girl.

My heart breaks and the other children.

Yes, do you know Epstein took her to a daddy and daughter dance because Glenn couldn't make it.

Yes, I do.

And she was so excited exactly, and he taught her maths and science and piano.

This just makes me sick.

But interestingly, they've got this Juban Family Foundation and all three kids were on it for a while.

Where but Jordan Juban is no longer on the executive committee now that is their song.

Yes, and he works in finance in New York.

He's twenty four, I think.

But you've got to live in oh an Igloo not to know about this Epstein case, especially since how closely they were involved.

So I'd like to know if there's been any falling out with Jordan and leaving the family foundation.

That is an interesting point.

Yes, because they're all on a page with all their cvs and the rundown.

There's a photo of him on the homepage.

But someone is trying to do some reputation management online for all of them, because there's links all over YouTube and there are blogs.

I can't see Jen, how they could ever hide this story.

So what they're trying to do is push so much good stuff out to bury the bad.

Well, it's going to take twenty years, don't you think?

I really feel sorry for the Juban children, So do I being exposed to that negligence.

This is my knowledge in reading court papers though, that Glenn Jubn didn't like Epstein.

That's true, yes, and it was a cause of a lot of friction between the two of them.

That's Ava and Glenn.

So I don't know what AVer's story is, honestly, I don't.

She might say that she was groomed as well.

It's sad, it's tragic.

See, Ava was already a beauty coin pageant winner when she met Epstein.

She would have had to deal with some men before she actually ran into Epstein.

Yes, it's a big gap in her life story, isn't it?

And in his Yes, that's right, because that time when he was in Europe, he was meeting with Robert Maxwell, and during that time he was splitting living between London, Switzerland, and New York.

What did he get up to in Switzerland exactly how did he meet Ava?

I wonder if he went to Lichtenstein, because that's the spot where a lot of the Maxwell company money has gone in and out of over the years.

It's interesting, fascinating.

There's so much we don't know about this case.

We've been on it for three years and we will never know everything because the period of time with Ava was before he met Colaine and started seeing her.

Yes, see, we'll never know everything to do with this case, but we'll keep looking.

Having Herbert I said about her statement, you can just see that she's trying to set up for the appeal that she didn't know or it was somebody else's fault.

Oh and also her victim blaming siblings were out the front of the court as always.

They never ever ever have known a TV camera that they didn't want to pontificate to.

I'll just chuck it in here so you can listen along.

Yes, so just to say that we have nothing and to add to the very heartfelt statement that Guillen gave in court, and nothing to add to the comments that she may about the victims and her sincere hope that the trial, her conviction, and this sentencing will allow the victims some closure.

Just to echo what Bobby Sernheim has said, Guillen will be exercising her right to appeal her conviction and sentence, and we the family were busy solidly behind her all the way, Thank you very much.

So what do you think she's going to base the appeal on.

So it will be Scottie the juror and lying on his jury questionnaire, and notice he turned up to the sentencing but for once didn't want to answer any questions.

Thirsty Verry, So Scotti the juror.

I think she'll start pushing that it was other people and they should be on trial.

Ie Sarah Kellen, magnificent.

I live for this stuff.

Jen.

She'll probably try and push that some of the girls themselves should be tried because they brought in other victims.

I imagine she'd like to see Virginia on the dock.

Oh yes she would, Oh Florida plea deal.

Did they try that?

Yes?

They did?

It got knocked back.

They could try it again, couldn't they.

No, I'm going to try and have a good day now.

That isn't dark gen, because this story in the Epstein case is very dark.

So is our other podcast, Goodbye Glam Squad.

Isn't that getting dark gen?

It's got everything, money laundering, abuse against children, racism.

Anyway, Look, it's goodbye from me and fuck you to all the Epstein co conspirators out there.

They're coming for you and we are here for it.

So if you want to get hold of us, you can find me on Twitter at Oh really truly, I'm at least of podcasts, and we've also got Instagram and a Facebook group and a Facebook page.

So we'll leave you now in the capable hands of our middle age intern with a fake English accent called Jis Stain.

Yes, and if you'd like a shout out from jiz Stain, just go to our Patreon page.

Links are in the show notes, and from five dollars a month you can support this operation.

Maybe Brian Vickers wants to donate to us, Jen, No, we wouldn't take it.

That's a joke.

We'd send them money back.

We have done that before.

We have actually so, Brian.

If you send us money, we'll shoot it back or will donate it to a nice decent foundation, maybe a survivor fund for suing people.

So everyone stay safe.

Bye, goodbye, thank you, Hello everybody.

Yes, it's just staying.

I don't like doing this, so I'll get this bit over and done with because I've got a message from my true friend to read out later.

Anyway, No, thanks to Susan, Betty Max.

Someone's pretending to be my mother, Sue, Caroline, Gail and Julia.

You can all bugger off.

But to my hopefully new bunkie, a woman called Gillene Maxwell, I have a wonderful statement to read out.

Her lawyer, the most wonderful woman in the world, Bobby Sternham, said this outside the court, and I think you all need to hear it over and over again.

Our client Gillin Maxwell, has been vilified, pillaried, and left little room for her to be treated fairly because even before she dropped forward into this courthouse, she was being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion.

Well, Gillin, I'm with you on that.

People just judge me, yes they do.

They have tried and convicted me and it's all lies, lies and lies.

Hi, it's Lisa here.

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