I'm John Glover.

I was Lionel Luther on Smallville and I will always always hold on to Smallville and I hope you all do too.

Welcome to Always hold On to Smallville.

And this podcast we talk about each and every episode of the Young Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to twenty eleven on the WB and the CW.

Unless we don't, we're back for another Superman Special, number forty two by my calculation.

I'm Roe Zach Moore and I'm joined by from Always hold On to Arrow Lance Last, What's up?

Lance?

What up?

So we heard to talk about Superman.

Welcome to Metropolis, an official novel inspired by the film met the prequel junior novel this film, James Gunn Superman is not an origin of story.

It is not a love story.

It is a story about it's a fevery day, is summer right?

Something that is?

Yeah, you're making my dreams come true.

So this is not an origin story, yes, but this book is the origin story for the Superman we're about to see.

Yes.

So that's why we made a point to read this book because it's our entry point into this character.

And when these cinematic verses come out.

There's not a lot of you know, extra material like this for the for these specific you know, multimedia universes.

Now you've read some Arrow novels and all this on the Arrow, I am going to be reading some small old novels for all us on the Smallville.

There were novelizations of some of the DCEU movies, but not all of them.

The Nolan trilogy all had novelizations which I do want to read.

Now you read did you read all three novels?

I know you read that Begins.

I read That Begins, Yeah, and I had like a that was a cool framing device of like a journal of Rayshaw Gold and all that which was didn't track at all.

I guess when Rises came out, right, Daniel the Great Daniel and Neil wrote, yes, that novel.

So I think it's just always interesting to see what kind of like extra material there is no no one day, we're going to have to find a reason to talk about Batman Gotham Knight, Yeah, which is the Dark Knight trill g adjacent, but it's not quite Cannon.

But Kevin Conroy is Vatmint in it, so that's good enough for me.

Although he did do the voice of Badmin and killing joke, didn't they?

So maybe it's not good enough for me.

So it's not about junior novels for a minute.

Like I was always an advanced reader, not to brag about myself.

Yeah, but were you in the advance reading class?

You didn't have to take two double block of reading.

Here's the problem I was.

I was really good at some subjects, and so like, oh, you'r GT Gifting talented, so you're not going to be in all GT classes.

And I am bad at math and science and I work so hard to scrape out a C.

And then I realized, wait, I can go down a level to advanced and just coast and make an a Yeah, what have I been doing wrong?

So all that to say, when it got to like, you know, seriously, even like elementary school, I was reading just legit novels and things like that iver a Jurassic Park the novel when I was in elementary school, you.

Know, saying yeah, no, I did the same.

Yeah.

And so I'd see a lot of these young adult novels like Young Jedi Academy novels, and I was like, good, you know.

The same, Like it was that type of stuff was never really like I never never really thought it was for me because of the fact that I read like novel novels as as a youngster.

Like I'm sure you did, like you read, we read like a lot of the classics before we had to in school and like when we had to like reading for assignments, and like, I'm pretty sure like you've like you had the same conversations like, oh, I already read that, so yes, Like I never really got into junior novels and stuff like that, and I've only kind of become more aware of them just because a lot of my students will read them or I see them reading them and I'll ask them questions.

But outside of that, I really haven't read any of them.

Yeah, I remember they would be like super returns, the junior novelization.

I'm like, what what does that mean.

It's more like it's a more simplified version of the novelization in the movie, for example.

But that see, that's why this fascinates me because.

I read that I read that novelization.

Oh yeah, I read the first chapter of it in the EU Aage bookstore.

Yeah, and I do want to read the whole things.

That's where I bought my We've read that.

You have that.

I probably held that book in my hands.

You probably do.

Do you still have it?

It's in store somewhere anyway.

Superman Welcome to Metropolis an official novel inspired by the film, The prequel junior novel written by David Luhman.

Okay, David Luhman, whose name I did not recognize, but he does have an about the author in the back lands.

That's good.

Let me read you this about the author.

Wait.

David Luman has written over one hundred and sixty five books for young readers, including Before the Batman.

Oh well, there we go.

We gotta read that one too.

I guess they fait a adult novel for that.

How can you a young adult novel for that universe?

Goodness?

I don't know.

But the funny thing is there are a lot of like DC young adult books out there right now.

This guy's written a hundred sixty five I know, yeah.

But like there's I know, there's one about Big Barta.

There's one with Oliver Queen that we will get to.

Well, they have it's that like DCAU adjacent artwork, and you're like, yes, what is it's the guys from the DC.

Yeah, watch, they're like, should we talk about it?

Will it?

Cannon?

There's a couple one woman ones.

There's there's a Bruce Wayne one.

There's a Selina Kyle one.

There's a Cassandra Caine one.

Yeah.

So yeah, well go look when you cover that and see if they rid by David.

Yeah, but including before the Batman in DC League of Superpets.

A former actor, he once played a messenger in the episode of Lewis and Clark The New Adventures of Superman when the title characters got married.

Shout out to Matt Truex.

Yeah, shout out to Matt Truix Lewis and Clark.

The new podcast is a man.

You need to have this man on your show, no joke.

They got married in multiple episodes.

That's correct.

I don't want to know.

I want to it's more fun that they say the episode as if they only got varied ones.

Uh.

He lives in Los Angeles with his wife Donna and their dog Gombi, And I got a shout out to you, David for not putting your dog in the book.

So let me start with reading the synopsis on the back of the Other Lands before we get into it.

Okay.

New to Metropolis, Clark Kent seems like any ordinary person.

He has outgrown his hometown Smallville and is embarking on his career as a journalist at the prestigious Daily Planet newspaper.

He is an affecting a strict boss, a competitive colleague named Lois Lane, or my serious attacks around the city by an unidentified metal robot.

Clark's coworkers don't know that he's Superman, a powerful meta human, all right, but trying to help other meta humans defend the city while getting the scoop for an article proves to be harder than it looks.

Can Clark solve the mystery of the dangerous robot, keep his secret identity hidden, and get Lois to warm up to him?

Welcome to Metropolis?

The prequel junior novel is an original story about Metropolis's most iconic superhero, Superman and his infamous enemy Lex Luthor, based on the new motion picture Superman James Gunn Superman.

This action pack book includes an eight page full color insert.

All right, we're gonna get back to that metal human stuff in a second, but what were your impressions of this book?

I liked it, you know, for what it was it was quick read.

Uh, it's a very quick read.

I was like, yeah, you know, I'll read this over two or three days, and I'm like, I'll just finish this now.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

I was like, yeah, I'll start it, read about half and then finish it tomorrow.

And uh, I was just like I got about halfway through and I looked at the time.

I was like, oh, I'll just finish this name and then that's what these are for.

So that that that is not a slight to the novels not.

I too, found it very enjoyable.

There are a lot of parts I liked Clark Kent Daily Planet, Lowis Lane Perry White Daily Planet Environment.

I like that a lot.

I liked them using Mittallo.

It's interesting that how often do we like, can we finally get you?

We've been talking about why can't they use Metallo for years.

Like in a movie, yeah, or Brainy acer Mentalo?

Yeah.

And so I'm like, I am I'm kind of torn.

This part of me is like we just wasted him in this novel.

Like I mean, you could always bring.

Him back, yeah, based on based on this book, yes you can.

But but I feel like they're done with that.

Yeah, and that's kind of like, oh so I'm old torn on that.

Okay, there's character name Moore in here.

Yeah, he creates Metallo.

So I like that when you read a novel, like you can picture this stuff in your head, like what it looks like.

I pictured him in a proper Supermann costume, so that help.

So there was that, but I couldn't help.

But I couldn't help but keep picturing micro o'samm his lex and thinking about how awesome he would be, because you know, we have these scenes of Nicholas Holt's Lex.

Yes, I'm very disappointed.

Leans, I'm not gonna lie.

We've been bombarded by every day there's a seems to be a scene or an interview or something.

And I gotta tell you, like, you know, when we saw the first trailer, I was like, yeah, you know what, I think.

I think he might run away with this.

I think he's gonna be the best part.

And the more I've seen it is Nicholas Holt as Lex, I am not.

I mean, obviously they're just out of context little scenes, but I'm not too excited about it.

What's your take on that comment?

Same, I'm a little concerned for me, Like we're reading this like it defaults like like Lex Luthen defaulted to Clancy Brown, like in my head.

See, that's another thing we're gonna we're gonna focus on this book, but we can't help but talk about just this bombardment of I mean, the full court press they're doing, yes, and I understand the play.

I don't know if it's gonna work out the way they think.

Like like full court like actual full court press or this or this this media and rollout because both are applicable to what you're saying.

Well, I'm saying that they did almost nothing for the longest time.

Yeah, and now they're like every day throwing stuff at you.

And I get it.

They want to.

That's why strategically full court presses don't work.

Right, But they're trying to cut through all the noise of like they didn't want to like peak too early, and like there's Jurassic World over here, in Fantastic Four over there, and they want to make sure they're like, oh, you know, this is Superman time.

So that's why this this very high concentration of TV spots and and clips and interviews, right, But I do feel like I'm kind of like exhaust every day.

I'm kind of exhausted of like what new James Gun interview is going to pop up?

Now?

What what spoiler?

I feel like they shouldn't have talked about they were they talking about when new pictures gonna throw a new scene?

You know?

I feel like we we went from knowing nothing.

We still kind of know nothing, but we've seen so much but also known.

It's it's an interesting place to be.

It's like next week on mad Men, the spots that they used to do where they would show you stuff but tell you absolutely nothing.

Here's the thing, Like I was initially, I was a little hesitant to read this because like I don't want this to even my first exposure to all these characters.

Yeah, but honestly, part of my decision to read this and cover it here was like, well, I've seen a scene of like everybody now, yeah, so I can I can use that to kind of picture in my head what this is gonna be.

Yeah, Because yeah, I found myself drifty into like Christer Reeve as Clark or Micro's MoMA was lax.

Those are my favorites, right, So, like, especially when he's doing the Clark stuff.

I'm like, I could totally see Christer Reeve like, oh oh sorry, I'm all white, because that's how he's playing it here little right, or at least how that comes off in the novel.

M hm.

Now in the in the in the scene, Clark's like, sold my article late.

Yeah, It's like you're it's the Zach Moore deep.

Voice, right, Like why is Clark's voice deeper than Superman.

It's like, again, I don't want to take all these things out of context, but they're giving to me out of context, so I can't.

Really that's all I have to work off.

So uh, the story was fun.

Light got the job done.

Yes, I like the his very first like save that he does whole toy factory thing.

The first thing I was thinking about was just like, are they going to give us like toy.

Mann toy man?

Yeah?

And then it was lax of talent.

Yeah.

I was like, okay, cool wine whatever.

But actually the thing that that stuck out to me the most was his that I also liked the most was his Clark tries to go and uh interview mister terrific and then even he comes back as Superman like that I like, I love that entire scene in their interaction.

I love that all of that.

I like Lois's interview with like subsequent interview with with like Luthor, I like, I like that.

I thought that was great.

And then the initial we didn't get a whole lot of Clark and Lewis.

We got a little bit, like some some hintings, but like first but I think one of the things that I guess I was disappointed at was like we didn't get enough of the two of them, especially considering that what like we know that there are a couple already in the movie, and so I thought that there would be like a lead up to this point.

We didn't get it, and so disappointed on that aspect.

I did like though, with their with Clarks internal like thinking and sometimes there's different points of views, right, so like you get Low's the point view a little bigs a little bit, and I liked how they were like responding to each other.

He's like, hey, thanks a lot, and she was like, oh, well, you're welcome.

I like that.

And then they do have their She's mad at him because he busted in the cree with her relax, which is you know, makes sense and she doesn't want to babysit him, and that's something I really like Perry in this.

Yes, yeah, oh so like Clark, he shows up to try to get a job.

He kind of works his way up to Perry's office, winning the security guard like feel sorries for him.

He's like, I don't tell that.

I told you, but he's the top for and uh.

It's actually very similar to in the eventual Superman.

The first episode of George Reeves.

Yeah, Like he just goes into Perry's office and he's like, I don't know how you got in here, but he's like, so if I break it back a scoop, I get a job.

He's like, I mean sure, good luck, But I mean you mean that, like, yeah, sure, bringing back a start, I get you a job.

Thinking he's not gonna do it, he does, and that's kind of what happens here.

So I like that a lot.

Yeah.

The uh Superman's first appearance though, you say you like the toy factory all, yeah, thing.

I thought that was.

I thought, like in my mind, I was like, this is a really cool like concept in the cool set piece.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely so I did as well.

And then yeah, this will circle back around, Lois tries to interview.

He's like, I have a special arranger with Mark Kit and I'm like, yeah, that's to me, that's so funny.

That's not only like in all these other shows like Lewis and Clark for examples, He's like, yeah, I'm friends with Superman or even Adventure Superman.

He's like, kid, you don't want to contact him.

It's like, like, what are you what are you guys talking about?

Like I just I find that kind of jarving.

Yes, uh that that's established there.

And then at the end of the novel he's like, you know, I have that arrange with the Clark Kent, but you said I can make an exception for you.

I'm like, there you go.

Okay.

So like here's the thing.

I don't know how I feel about Clark continuing in our articles about him and Superman.

Yeah, because like I think it's kind of funny that and that's what he does in these other versions.

He he writes a story about Superman to get him a job of the Delly Planet, which I'm like, I don't know, man, that feels like cheety, yeah.

But it doesn't feel it feels like it because it is.

But Uh.

The thing with that is like, usually there's so many versions, right, but there's some big event, big save Lois is somehow involved, she names him, maybe he gets the scoop on Superman later, right, yeah, but this is like not only did it wasn't even that big a public save.

It was like a kind of a private thing and some copsaw and all that.

But then he names himself super bad do it and then continue to write articles.

I'm like, Okay, we've taken to your point about Clark and Lewis and Lowis and Superman.

We've taken so much of their initial meet cute way.

I do like how she was skeptical though.

See that's what I liked about Superman and Lewis when she was like, I don't care about this, this is the news this is I'm like, that's that's the new angle I want.

And then they're not doing that hair.

There was a little bit of that where she was like skeptical of Superman at first, like that he even existed, you know.

But I guess what the end showed me was like, Okay, now he's not going to just write stories about Superman.

It's like Peter Parker taking pictures of Spider Man, like it's it's a little different because he's a photographer.

Yeah, let's say Rebbie movies are so good because he's just Jjo just going tho those pictures.

I look at him like, how did you get It's like the most amazing.

His face is just like the same thing with Robbie Roberts because the spot Man, because he clocks it media.

Oh my goodness.

So all that to say, I mean, there's different ways to play it.

I really did.

That was my favorite thing about who the Daily Planet staff, their interactions parrying them and being a boss till Clark and Mowis and that sort of thing.

Clark's impressed by her and she's impressed by how nice he is and that sort of thing, and then the clumsiness of Clark too, and like, oh that's fine, we'll see how it plays in the movie.

Chris to Reeve was on matched as an actor.

He could put that kind of stuff off.

We'll see what happens on film.

So all that to say about that, no one's too like, I guess impressed by Superman because oh he just must be another man of human Yes, because the Justice Gang is here and I don't like the Justice Gang.

I haven't liked him since we heard about him.

I don't like him.

Here they're pretty much exactly what I would have expected, because because Guy Gardner starts calling Superman Family Opera because of his cape, and they have a whole bit about that with Hawk Girl, and I'm like, I had to re I had to rewind and read that again because I thought they were talking about Matallo because he has half a face.

But that that annoyed me.

I was like, what are you doing, Guy Gardner?

Well, he's well as as the supporters of him will say it, like I have seen on the internet say, is Guy Gardner man.

We're supposed to like him?

Okay, well mission accomplished?

Ye yeah, Misterrific by far the best of these three.

Yes, comes off very well here.

He does not come off like he does so far in the clips that we've seen.

Would you like to speak to that last not right now, not at this time, not at the time again, everything out of context.

Yes, but we've only say about two or three things, and you can take that as she will.

Yes, do it important stuff.

So, Misterrific, like you said, that's a good scene where where he doesn't let Clark in, but Superman comes and he talks to him.

But okay, so they keep calling your ready meta humans.

Right, let's get into that meta human thing we talked about off the top of the synopsis on the back the Justice Game.

Yes, they're not meta humans.

No, they referred to it such, they're not.

Superman is an alien?

That's correct?

Who's not an Eddy?

Evan also referred to that's a Eddy who one in the back of this book.

Yes, I feel like somebody watched one episode of the Flash and decided, oh, I know, meta human.

Uh so, what's your thoughts on this?

My question is, has something happened in this new DCU where meta humans have happened and people just assume that any person, any people see, any superpowered person is a meta human and it means something else, and it means something else to them, right, like or like they like do they not have the concept of alien life or any of these types of things?

Yet?

These are things that we don't know all we know, especially especially considering from like you know, James Gunna said, it is like this is a world that has had superheroes already before in populating the universe.

So is meta human just a common catch all phrase for superpowered people we don't know, even though we know as comic book readers and people who know these characters that they are not in fact meta humans if.

You okay, go down the roster of the Justice Gag.

Yes, right, okay, green lantern human, yes, with a ring, Yes, with an alien ran yeah, not a meda human, mister terrific human with technology.

Yes, not a meta human.

That's correct, Okay, hawk girl, we don't know what.

We don't know virgins or the actual only meta human.

On here maybe, and Superman is an alien, so uh now I get why other people might assume Superman's a meta human before.

But okay, let's talk about that, right.

I I don't like that.

Like they've been around and they're established in okay, even on Smallville where there was a whole Justice League operating.

The blur was the guy in Metropolis and then you know, we never got to see it.

But I assume at some point someone's like, hey, uh I go buy Superman now.

Yeah, but he's the guy right now, he's gonna show up, And it's like, well, I don't care about we have Green Lantern over here.

You know what are you bat.

Yeah, Jimmy was like, oh yeah, the Justice Gang, Yeah, Green Lantern and and and he got Misterrific my favorite girl.

Yeah.

So I mean, what are your thoughts on that?

Does that?

Does it bother you?

If he's not the first one, it.

Doesn't bother me.

But depending on how it goes, like I might not be a fan of it.

Well, I don't think they'reven gonna address it because I mean in the movie it'll be like, well that was years ago.

Who cares, Like if he's been Superman for two three years, I don't know what the timeline is exactly, So I know that kind of like, okay, well what makes him Metropolis a hero?

Then?

If yeah, I.

Won't Maybe the movie might be about that.

We don't know, but I just like, it's just kinda he just shows up like last yeah.

So and like I said, you could make the argument out small though, but he's burning the s everywhere and he's the guy in Metropolis, so that muddies the waters.

Some group what's it called again, that's a working day.

He'd very well proved to be properate though.

That haircut should be against your fowls, that.

That one should be what Superman most being on Earth.

I will destroy him.

Good luck with that?

Do you run that, dumb man?

Wap?

I guess you decided to help.

Yeah, I've gotten damn missing terrific.

You keep getting all these interviews with Superman Clark.

Eventually people are going to figure it out.

Superman, I'm gonna take everything from you.

Your power, your humanity, and everyone you care about.

Good luck with that.

Let's talk about lex and thora.

So I already kind of mentioned.

I was like, okay, all right, can we move on from Otis and miss Tesmaker By the way, she wasn't in this though, she wasn't in this, but she's in the movie.

And I always forget Otis is in the movie until I like whatever, I'm like, oh, that's right, Otis is in it.

Why and he's a dumb ass?

And it's like.

I also, isn't isn't Otis black in this?

Yes?

Okay?

Like I said, look, I didn't cast this movie questionable to make the oafish dumb psychic character for being dumb.

For being dumb and messing up.

Yeah, I want to see very long arm Otis good?

Lord, what I just we don't need that?

Like, what where is Mercy Grave.

That's that's again like again growing up with the with the Christopher movies and like so like I I can appreciate a notice, I can appreciate a misstestmar.

I enjoy them like it's funny, Like you're a kid, you love it, you get all.

I'm like that was kind of cheesy, but now I'm like, Okay, I appreciate the comedy there because because the way those actors interplay, it's entertaining.

But like that's that we can move on from that.

We can't.

And when we did, it's like, oh Lex has Mercy, and like it's like and so I love Mercy.

I love her as a character, especially like you know, like in those those Superman animated series episodes where you kind of explore like their relationship.

Well the one the one a brain net can that's Lex and Superman's like, why do you work for flex Cures?

About me?

And then and then he kind of leaves her for dead and then her and Cervant have that look at the end of the episode.

Uh huh.

Yeah, Like that's good stuff.

That's that's like who I don't know what they're gonna do with.

Yeah, I just love to see a proper Mercy and live action.

If this book is any indication, it's gonna be like, hey, you remember ned Baty from Cuman and we were doing that again for some reason.

Well, also Nigel from Loews and Evil Alfred, Like that's the guy I want Lex to be talking to.

I like the Gene Hackman Lex Luthor for that version of like Luthor, right, but we don't need to have him surrounded by dumb people to criticize him all day long.

You could have Lex talking to people that he could actually he doesn't see on his level, but he at least respect respects, right, because that's that's the cool thing about Lex and Nigel and Otis and Clark and even you know Mercy.

I mean really, yeah, he respects her for certain things.

But yeah, I just I don't need Otis Like it's they even do that in in the Smallville season eleven comic Otis.

I'm like, can we move on?

I will suber Man, who's my favorite super hero film, But I don't need to see Otis.

Don't understand this fixation, but that that might have been my least favorite part.

Lex and Otis the whole time and all their conversation.

I just I don't know, like I didn't I didn't pick up when they were putting down with that, right.

I mean, it's not really enjoyable to read.

It's not really.

It's just because because it just goes on for too long, because it's like you're it's like you're you're at that point you're just kind of seeing like how long they're going to take that bit.

So let's talk about Metallo.

So John Corbyn, Yeah, I'm like, well, look at you.

He's an assassin.

And it was clever where we start the Metallo chapter with John Corbyn and he's hired to kill somebody and he's like, oh, it's Lex Luthor.

Oh here's the gun to use, and then he goes the names that it likes and it blows up on him.

He says, a whole setup.

That was pretty clever because his scientists are testing this robot and it's good up to a point.

But it doesn't lacks the killer instinct.

Yeah, so it needs a human brain.

So that's fine.

I mean, there's one hundred ways to Metallo.

Superman.

The Amate series is by far the best, YEP, but this on this tracks, Metalla is a very available character.

We've seen lets of different versions of him.

I was on the All Star super Fan podcast talking about many of those multimedia so shout out to those guys.

So, I mean, in my head, I just a picture this is like the Terminator, Like it's eyes are red.

I'm like, come on, and then when they put kryptinite in his eyes are green.

So what did you think about the ryptonite in.

This where they get it?

Like, I mean, they they sort of talk about where they got it, but it's still at the same time, it's like, where'd you get this?

Well, that's the thing I mean, I mean again Superman the movie, my favorite superhero movie of all time.

We know exactly how and where they get it, but then relaxed, deducing they would harm Superman.

And maybe that's the biggest plot all that, but we don't talk to me about time travel.

That's the biggest plot.

Yeah, yeah, I think we kind of jumped ahead to the kryptonite.

You know I would have not done that.

Well then you can't use.

And also like it had happened way too late in the thing.

It was just like there was like twenty pages left twelve just.

Like these chapters.

I mean again, it's a children's novel, right, These chapters are like four pages each year.

Right.

I was thinking, like, where's this gonna end?

Yeah, but I thought maybe they might leave it, leave it hanging in there, maybe an open And the thing about with Tallow is again we've always talked about why don't like, I know when Superman Returns came out, like, what can we do the sequel?

Open Tallow?

Maybe Lex and make me Taliman?

Yeah, please, something something for Superman to punch.

I remember everybody thought the guy with a big, gotling gun on the first was gonna be a Tallow Like why why would you think that so a good physical threat for him?

I like how Superman tries to use his heat vision it doesn't work.

Yeah, he'd be interested to not work in Metalo.

Sorry, Los and Clark.

That's a good episode.

But like the fact he's just melts Metale.

That's climactic.

It's like, no, no, no, no, no, that's that's not how you work Again, I said the Icen Green when he has Kriminine and Instruman feels like weak and he doesn't quite know though, so like they haven't quite connected all the dots.

And then Lex recovers that at the end.

I did like the scene Lex on the submarine and noticed that was pretty fun.

Thought.

Actually I did enjoy that one.

But why why do you have half a face.

For the fan of the opera joke that they didn't land but.

That was but don't there wasn't even about him.

I know.

That's what I'm saying, didn't land it.

Because I know an animated seriously is like the ripped face look, which is silly when it comes back in Justice League, and like that was the one I think.

But anyway, I thought that he would have like RoboCop, like your face is on something, but like no, he just has to rip the half the face and like the why would it be two face because that's how it's described right even on the left and robot on the rider vice versa.

Yeah, why, I don't know this makes sense.

I did like all Lex's like neeuverings with like the power so he's like, oh yeah, city Hall, Oh well this my poison the water to get this out of here.

Like that that was good stuff.

I really I really do hope and thin this whole pulls it off.

I'm rooting for him, Yeah, I just from what I've seen, I haven't been like, oh cool, right, that's just where I am so and that's why my this my mind started putting micros mom on my head instead when I was I was trying, but I couldn't help it.

Clark getting away and changing to call the police like I don't know, and Jimmy was there, and Metallo crushes the camera so they incorporated the Daily Planet crew.

Well yeah, I think, I mean, I get really no read on Jimmy, Hey.

You didn't get shot?

And the shot in the face though this time.

That first of all, that was a cover name for a CIA operative.

It was still him and it was played by uh Michael Cassidy who played Grank Cable, so I was happy to see him shot.

And the thing, I like him better, jimmyils than Grank Capery.

I'll tell you that the guy's the worst character in Smallville.

Find me another one who's not a freaking week or something.

But really, though, what's the worst what's the worst character on small Well?

You can't think of one, Yeah, because Grant's pretty bad.

You know what got me?

He was just I said this on the part, I'm sure, but he felt like a little kid playing dress up like I'm the boss, right, I mean that's how he felt.

Uh yeah, we'll see about this.

This kid who's playing Jimmy who plays a test Marshal's kid on that the Righteous jem Stones.

Uh, he looks perfect, so I I I hope that's Jimmy notoriously underserved and all this stuff.

Yes, in addition to getting shot in the face.

Uh.

Mark Mccluurr's fun.

But he has nothing to do.

Yeah, I mean he has more to do in Supergirl than he is in the four Christophe Superman movies.

I guess Superman Three's is a big one when he's like in the fire but like he has nothing to do.

I think my one of my favorite moments with him is like not even in the theatrical version, it's like the extended version.

He's like, uh, mister Clark, It's like Kent Clark, Kent Jimmy Wilson.

I don't know, it's just a fun thing.

I'm like, that's what I remember most I think from them, outside of like Superman three, So Superman Returns, Sam Hunchingson is probably my favorite Jimmy, Yeah, because him and Clark are like Buddy's like the Clark kitt oh you know, he says in the cake and somebody took a piece already, and they go off for beers and then they meet old Jimmy Elson, Jack Larson.

I think there Gordon is Chief Britop rattling off things for one movie.

I think he was good.

He was He's my favorite.

Jimmy.

What about Aaron Ashmoart.

That's Henry James Olson.

So that's where we are with that.

So I don't know, like, uh, I hope we I hope we do get to see like like so this like Clark Lewis and Jimmy wide on the street and there's a tabo battle he has to get away and all that stuff.

I hope we see stuff like that in the movie because thinking about it, like in the Christ to Red movies, Clark, Lows and Jimmy never go do anything together, that's correct.

The only time they're ever together outside of the office is in Superman four at the end where they're gonna cover the press conference.

Of course, like oh, I forgot the type of corner.

Oh save ole mister.

Anyway, they don't do anything.

Now we have whole TV shows like Lewis and Clark where they do stuff, but like, I want to see that movie, so I hope we get that same energy here.

And oh my god, I forgot about Druggy Jimmy that guy, right, dude, layoff, lay off the Mary Jane bro where.

Steven would says, layoff the weird dude look like strung out the whole time.

Right, I was so excited that Superman Lowis was gonna do Jimmy Wilson.

I I kind of like, I it's it's uh, I kind of like shake my head, like you didn't have the guts to bring back m cod Brooks.

Did you know you wanted to be taller than Tyler?

Now?

I mean Tim and Tyler on Supergirl.

To guess it's it's not like it's not like the Superman had never we hadn't seen the Superman with a Jimmy Wilson or jim Olson.

As we say, yeah, those who are doing my handshake with Bradley, shout out to Bradley.

Shout out to Bradley.

They recast Sam Lane.

Yeah, well they didn't recast Lucy Lane.

No, so like, oh, what are they gonna do with Jimmy?

And they didn't show him for so long, like oh really decided, you know, that kind of thing.

But then they ultimately we did see him once in season four.

Gregory Smith's brother, by the way, Ephraim from everyone who directed many episodes of this, Yeah, he was taller than Clark too.

One was you guys will prop BacT but god prest and talking.

Well, now, granted, the funny thing is we've seen Tyler in person.

It's like that those dudes must be really tall.

Well yeah, I mean he's not.

We joke that he's short because he's like five inches shorter than Brandon Routh.

It's not fair, you know.

But I guess all that to say about the Jimmy Olsen that episode, right, yeah, I was so certain that whole episode was going to lead to him dying.

And this is why your father doesn't tell people his secret kids, because when he did Jimmy Olsen, right yeah, But instead he's just alive at the end.

Why we only see this character through flashbacks and he's alive, like Jimmy Olsen is alive, And then they hadn't talked, and like, I don't know, I don't know.

That was strange a little bit.

One of the many underwhelming things about season four Suman Lowis is still a great show is Season four is obviously the lesser of the four seasons.

But yes, but if nothing else, give us the immortal gift of doomsday.

Yes, hold out let him cook?

Ye so good.

I use that on almost daily based so happy to have it.

Okay, So that's Jimmy Wilson Black all we went into, Wells comes off great in this.

I think Wellis.

I'm still on more for Rachel brosnahanns Lowis.

I've from the jump.

I'm like, she great, casting, looks great the clips I've seen, I still think she's gonna be great.

So yeah, I mean that that's kind of where we are.

The I wonder if they're gonna keep these designs, you know, because the they have that eight page full color insert right this Luthor Corp design.

This looks like a Division two college football team logo.

This green and yellow, Like, what what is this?

Like?

You know what I'm saying, Like we need the the downfall of the live action Luthor Corp logos needs to be studied, right because I mean small, the classic kind of l see the purple purple, traditional Luther color.

Uh.

The Lex Corp from season two with an X, but it's like the Lexus l that's an X, Like that's great.

We saw it like three times, but that was great.

And then you get just generic Lex Corp from BVS, Like it's just like rain there was a play and this is the same exact Now it's LuthorCorp again, not LexCorp.

Yeah, but it's this different kind of bland.

But I'm like, this is I hope it's not green and yellow anyway.

You know, James Gunn said, we call it Luther Corp because not a lot of people name it their first names and be their last names.

And we can bring in Lex is dead if we want.

Like what he said that that's not a laughing.

I mean, that's that's that's why I'm laughing.

Ryan Kranston, Yeah, why would you say it's strange?

But you know the build, the Lex Corp tower building and the logo there on the look at me, I'm calling Alex Corp with uthgar.

I'm the small of a guy, like I'm a I'm all that stuff now.

But the Luther Core building and the trailers looks cool with like the logo there, like he Lex's office is like in that circle thing in the center.

It looks like that's interesting.

I just really don't like that.

Hopefully this is like pre production art.

You know what I'm saying though about this logo.

Is it the color or the design?

What is it?

What do you think?

Okay?

But yeah, I mean so yeah, overall, I enjoyed.

I hope they keep a lout of the same energy of the Daily Planet staff we did.

Actually, there was no Steve Lombard or Trooper anybody in this.

No Cat Grant.

Yeah, no Cat Grant.

This is the children's a maybe that's why, but you know it's look, it has a it's a simple story.

It served a simple function, got the job done.

He did go fly to see the kids, talk to them for a few minutes.

Yeah, they could have they could have gone without that.

Yeah.

I guess they feel like they need to introduce them.

I get, But also like we just listed off all those other characters we didn't introduce, so why did you need to establish that No crypto in this?

That's interesting, right it is.

There's no fortress in this Nope, So he's just gonna have those things in between now and then.

That's again, that's like so like the other the questions that come about this.

Even though I enjoyed, it's like, well, how far away from the movie does this take place?

Because again, Lois and Clark are together in the in the film, right, we know that there are a couple.

We didn't get to see any of the meat cute stuff.

We didn't get to see a big reveal to the world.

We didn't get see any of those types of things.

Where is the fortress?

As you said, where's crypto?

All these things are like are obviously established and like and he has like a routine and like and like a rhythm to how he does things at this point, but we don't get these in the prequel novel, So that's kind of a miss.

I guess we have to look at it, like, what is the function of this?

Is it to explain all that stuff or is it just to give you a taste of what to expect in the movie.

Seems like it's just gonna it's the latter, Yeah.

And that's fun.

For that.

I think he succeeds, And that's I guess all I was looking for.

I did.

I certainly expect this to be like the canon prequel to James Gunn Superman.

Right in this novel he doesn't even know what it's cannon in his own new universe.

Well, it's very simple, Lance Creature Commandos, Peacemaker season one except the last scene of the Justice League Blue Beatle, the character but not the movie.

Not the movie, but the character Amanda Waller, and various members of the Suicide Squad cast, which is what about super Suicide Squad which none of the ben Affleck parts count.

Okay, so I don't see why that's complicated.

Yeah, I don't either, And then of course this novel is, yes, why I can't wait, you know, let me see this, and like in the first ten minutes it will probably be contradicted by something something that so oh man, but yeah, there's no that is I I honestly I expected Crypto with this.

He is all over everything we've said, Like they should just call them movie Supermanic Crypto.

That's what they Honestly, they really should have just called it the Suermano Crypto super I'm not even joking now, because like you want to, if you want to differentiate this, right, that's how you differentiate it, Supermanic Crypto.

Like I would, I would be more okay with Crypto being over everything.

It's like, oh, it's supermanic crypto.

Right, Okay, because they're already going all in with the dog.

The dog, you would keep your cool, bro, you know.

Okay, last last thing we'll say about that.

Uh you know I did say, because again they keep posting about the dog.

Some tweet was like I saw it.

It said, I'm really starting to think the whole movie is about the dog, because I mean they show like him flying around.

I was just like, okay, people can pet let's as we close out here, I think we can say we enjoyed the book.

Yes, it didn't fill every question or pottle we have, but coming out before the movie, I didn't want to.

That's the reason I was like, should I read this?

I don't want to be spoiled by stuff, and I think this is a very safe thing to read before the movie.

Yeah, and and hey, we got Mattello, and I wish we'd get him in my action at some point in the movie.

But kudos here for not just inventing some random generic thing for him to do like he fought Mentello.

I would have enjoyed some sort of air vehicle rescue because that's traditionally either if Lois is on the helicopter on the plane or not.

That's how he reels himself to the world.

This is like he stopped a fire and told some police officers his name was Superman.

Yep, yep, Superman's by him.

I would hate him too.

Let slippers side.

So as we wrap up here, let's do we talk.

We've we've talked around it a little bit, right, the Superman meets Lex Luthor scene.

I didn't I didn't like that.

I didn't like it.

I don't know, like because you compare that to the scene and Superman the movie where Chris to Reeve meets Hackman at the first time.

Yeah, so okay, in this we don't know the context of the scene, right, Superman his his.

I guess he's gone back to the fortress and Lex has stolen the dog or god forbid, killed the dog.

I don't think they're gonna.

Kill the dog.

James Gill would never kill an animal in his movies.

So he's obviously upset this dog's missing, and there's some he somehow knows that le's broken in the fortress, as we've seen in the trailers.

Lex, because it's a movie, of course, Lex Luthor has to go to the fortress solid.

Right, let's start with crystals.

Tell me everything.

So I get why he'd be upset about that.

Yeah, right, I just I think the vibes are off in that scene, right, Is that the best way to put it?

Yeah?

And again, we don't know what part of the film this happens, and we don't know if they've met before that.

No, this we meet it last.

Lex Luthor says, this is their first meeting.

That's why.

That's why that's awfu to me.

That's see, that's key to me that you like this being their first meeting.

That throws me off.

Because it would be because that because that.

Seems like they've known each other for a year a little bit.

Yeah, and that which is why he has the you know, the balls basically the barge in there.

The way.

The real funniest sweet this was somebody said, so did he like wait in the lobby and take an elevator up there and then bust through the door.

It's so funny.

It would be different if he came through the windy door.

That's that's why I have such a critical eye on it, because it's their first meeting.

At last, we meet, Yes, get all this eve I don't know.

I don't, I don't.

Vibes are off, fives are off.

Bro.

So that's where we are.

But Lance, uh, in less than one week's time, we will be sitting down and we will be and seeing James guns Superman for the first So that's Look, it's here.

It's hard to believe it's here.

It's like fate.

It's inevitable, but always surprising when actually happens.

Chloye Sullivan Season two, episode twenty three, Exodus.

So where are you on this movie?

Did this book make you more or less excited for the film.

I'll say it did make me more excited for it.

Yeah, made me excited because of reading it, Like I think my biggest takeaway is just like, well I love this character and yeah, so now I'm like I'm in a Superman mood, you know.

So yeah, I'm excited to see the film finally, and and then we can see whether it holds up or not or lives up to the hype, if it's going to be what we want, if it's going to do what we want it to do more importantly than than anything else.

So we'll see.

Yeah, I think you said it best.

This reminds you why I love this character because Superman one hundred percent in character in this Yes, I have no complaints about his actions, decisions, and anything he does.

So that's always refreshing when and within he's formaltimedia when like like that's the character because yeah, story stuff you can mess up.

As long as the character stays true, I think that elevates the rest.

Of that's and that's that's the issue with other with other properties, like most at the end of the day is like, well they messed up the essence and and the other stuff is just kind of like you know, piles on top of that.

Don't mess with the s.

What's up the toy commercials?

That's how that's from.

Don't mess with the s.

I have never had any of those toy I had Batman toys though, because he's my guy.

We were in the red zone here for James Gunn Superman.

The next time you hear me a Lance will be our night of yeah coverage.

Now we're gonna drop that on the Patreon.

So if you want to hear that, get it.

Pay We need you.

We did.

Look if you want this podcast to continue, we don't do this for free.

The talk pill is is such a gift on so many levels.

No, but so no A Lance and I traditionally, whenever a new DC film comes out, we come back and record a night off so we get our fresh first impressions.

So we are going to release that on Patreon first, Yes, so they'll be in swooping there for you know, X number of days.

But because it's Superman, we will release it on the Maine feed.

We will, and then we'll follow out with a proper quote unquote not night of yeah, stumbling back to the theater at two in the morning.

Uh huh so uh, but we will do a you know, Superman special on that, probably more than one episode, likely on James Gunn Superman.

So we're here.

The podcast really timed out really well.

I never could have planned it this way, but because of the various combination of breaks that I took, intentional and unintentional real life covering Superman and Lewis, you know, delays and things, and you're scheduling with things like we ended the episode, but it covers a small little and now this is my movie.

Yeah, it's just like twenty thirteen all over again.

It is, except uh, James guns Superman's gonna make lessann a still opening week and you heard me.

So.

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