[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, fine, well then I'm gonna go and I'm gonna do this.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this is my personal opinion, okay?

[SPEAKER_08]: I know on YouTube, we're gonna get all kinds of comments from the friendly.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're just gonna be like, these old hags and their opinions who cares.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, I do, okay.

[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's that's how you care for it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Hello, Rachel.

[SPEAKER_08]: Welcome back.

[SPEAKER_08]: You abandoned me last week.

[SPEAKER_08]: I did.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_09]: Did you survive?

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you did, but I.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it was actually kind of good.

[SPEAKER_08]: I had like a day off because we were like, no, it's not record.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then you realize that also for Thursday, you were going to have a scheduling conflict.

[SPEAKER_08]: So Amanda joined us.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was great.

[SPEAKER_08]: No big deal.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm just happy that you're back.

[SPEAKER_08]: I felt like you been like an attorney that I hadn't talked to you because you were like, I know with with other friends that you were made.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, and let me just tell you.

[SPEAKER_09]: I did not.

[SPEAKER_09]: like I try.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's very difficult when you're like hosting a retreat to check in on the news and I would just [SPEAKER_09]: I would go to the end of the day and go, Oh my gosh, I don't really know what's going on in the world, which is great.

[SPEAKER_09]: But then I would try and play catch up and I just felt like it was definitely going on fire hose.

[SPEAKER_09]: But then I would open up the signal app and you and Amanda had exchanged 77 voice memos and I just had to realize I'm not going to know anything that happened last week.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like I know nothing all I would see is like three minute voice memo from a Sadie and then underneath it would say yeah totally a civil war and I'm like wait what what's a civil war what's happening so it was not ideal for the job A would have actually the ladies at the retreat come and go oh hey did you hear about this like actually I didn't really like thank you I think you're seeing you.

[SPEAKER_09]: So the fabulous time with you ladies, I have no time for this new cycle and it was fabulous, but I was definitely uninformed for the majority of the week.

[SPEAKER_09]: So apologies.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, where you miss was basically just drama because especially since the government shutdown happened, there's been like this void of news because the government shut down and what has filled that void.

[SPEAKER_08]: is non-sense.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's non-sense.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's I can't run rough.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_08]: Speaking of YouTube, okay, so we launched our YouTube channel.

[SPEAKER_08]: This is a side conversation.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't even know where we're flowing here, okay?

[SPEAKER_08]: Because the recycle has been crazy and things have been nuts.

[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, we've been talking a little bit about what is going on on the right.

[SPEAKER_08]: There appears to be infighting.

[SPEAKER_08]: There appears to be, I think the undercurrent of all of it is really a jogging to position of what is going to happen with the Republican party after, you know, Trump leaves because, you know, he can't, I know he jokes around about it, but he can't run for president again.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, and in politics, everything happens so fast.

[SPEAKER_09]: So even though we can feel like or the normal man will feel like we have a long time until the election.

[SPEAKER_09]: Everyone of those politicians already has their eye.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're moved on from midterms even.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're looking in 2028 and they move fast.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like they start.

[SPEAKER_09]: they start working on that right away.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, for sure.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that is a huge aspect of everything that is going on.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think, you know, we have people that want to pull the party further to the right, people that want to pull or gain back power of the parties, think, you know, your more establishment [SPEAKER_08]: Conservatives, so they're just trying to keep the magamovment or coalition together, and I think it's all of that is bubbling up into these really I don't know just like what's the word I'm looking for deflating like deflating [SPEAKER_08]: And in fighting where I just really would like for the party to focus on the win and where we are now and when mitt the problems and whatever issues are happening, but just like this tension, it's exhausting and that's really what's been happening, especially since the government shut down and it all kicked off.

[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it was there beforehand, but I think it all came.

[SPEAKER_08]: to what is it when you call like an in music or just kind of like a crescendo that's perfect with Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes interview.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And now it's not even necessarily so much that interview, but this these demands are being made to disavow or if you want to align yourself with there's a lot of positioning like a lot of positioning a lot of like [SPEAKER_08]: some of it's like really absolutist and simple and some people who are being much more nuanced or being accused of are just I think there are humans are being misrepresented and so it's just kind of been a mess.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well then you have the Epstein stuff happening which is a whole other kind of canter worms because you actually have some Republicans that have for a while been saying release it release it.

[SPEAKER_09]: You have Trump calling it a hoax saying it's all the Democrats.

[SPEAKER_09]: You have Democrats that are weirdly involved with Jeffrey Epstein stuff like that's trickling out you have [SPEAKER_09]: people that are, you know, rightfully looking at players like Massey and M2G and saying, where, where were you for the last four years asking for the Epstein files?

[SPEAKER_09]: Now why are you doing this?

[SPEAKER_09]: And so it all kind of meshes together because lots of people are saying, you know, that's why M2G gave the speech she gave this morning.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was on at the Epstein like press or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: So it's all [SPEAKER_09]: mixing together and it is just a bunch of high school drama.

[SPEAKER_09]: It really, really is.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then you have a president that like calls a reporter like a piggy on Air Force one last night and you I don't know if I'm the only one, but I just and like why why is this what why is this who we are right now this well I mean Trump has definitely been lashing out over the last I feel like he has been in just a state of irritation.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and I think that's really where it's coming from, which unfortunately, manifests itself in the least productive way possible.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_08]: So we're going to kind of try and touch on all of these things a little bit to see if we can together make sense of them.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't, I don't make any promises that that's what's going to happen at the end of this conversation.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just a massive promise that we're going to be the only one.

[SPEAKER_09]: What'd you say?

[SPEAKER_09]: I said it's a recorded struggle session.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's a central, it's a therapy session.

[SPEAKER_09]: I want you to necessarily call it a struggle.

[SPEAKER_09]: A struggle, a struggle, a struggle in, I'm struggling with this being reality.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's what I'm struggling with.

[SPEAKER_08]: So first, I wanted to open us up with, I actually wrote about this today on my sub-stack and it's a free article and I go pretty in depth about this particular article and my thoughts on Tucker Harrelson, but I don't want to get into the weeds.

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, because in my article, I get into the weeds with, you know, podcasts and just other things in general, but I was really surprised.

[SPEAKER_08]: So on Sunday, I got home from church.

[SPEAKER_08]: I told Obed as like, we have to go straight home.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have things I gotta get to do, I have to do.

[SPEAKER_08]: So we can't like, like, we typically would go out somewhere for breakfast.

[SPEAKER_08]: So in my kitchen and preparing, I see a notification from my New York Times app that says it's an article about Tucker Carlson.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so immediately I'm assuming, [SPEAKER_08]: It's like most of these articles that it's going to be hit piece correct because we've seen a whole bunch of these like you can tell that the legacy media, Washington Post, New York Times, like they desperately want to make this battle that's happening within the Republican party a thing and they want to bring it to their love.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was going to say what we didn't mention at the beginning that's adding to all the tension is the stuff that's happening surrounding T.P.

[SPEAKER_09]: USA, Erica Kirk, Candice, and people around the whole area.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, there's just, I know, but there is just so much drama and so many like large media figures, you know, you got Bench, Piero in this Candice, all the T.P.

[SPEAKER_09]: T.P.

[SPEAKER_09]: USA, Erica Kirk, Trump, Candice, and then you have Megan Kelly.

[SPEAKER_09]: You just have so many players that have defined a lot of the right for the past couple of years.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'll have to say that.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then it was funny too because when I did this article in Tucker Carlson and I gave my opinions on like what he's doing and why he's doing it and everything and somebody left the comment of like now do Candace and I'm like, look, it's on the to do list, but Candace is a whole [SPEAKER_08]: There was so much more materials to go in there that's a whole other kind of worms, but this article I thought it was interesting because I assumed it was going to be a hippies and it turns out that Tucker Carlson sat down and did an interview [SPEAKER_09]: We can we just mention first how weird it is that he is doing this article within New York Times.

[SPEAKER_09]: And the reason we say that is because we listen to Tucker Carlson's podcast.

[SPEAKER_09]: We are very clear on where he stands about things.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're students of him and a lot of these other personalities on the right.

[SPEAKER_09]: It informs a lot of the public's understanding of relevant issues.

[SPEAKER_09]: even a few of his podcasts episodes.

[SPEAKER_09]: He bathed these out.

[SPEAKER_09]: He hates them or he says he hates them because that's what you're supposed to say now.

[SPEAKER_09]: And look, I think it's really, really interesting that he decided after [SPEAKER_09]: And we're going to get into the actual article.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I just think it's bizarre.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's just bizarre to me that he would all of a sudden be like, I'm okay with them enough to offer them an exclusive interview that he could have given to anyone else.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like, yeah, it goes to the New York Times.

[SPEAKER_09]: Excuse me.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's so bizarre.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's just, I mean, you could have done this weird.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it was kind of to me.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was a, it was a, I hate that term.

[SPEAKER_09]: it was in the face of Fox News.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think because he could have given this type of thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: He hates Fox.

[SPEAKER_08]: He talks about he would never go back there.

[SPEAKER_09]: He could have done he talks about how the Wall Street journals, the worst, how, you know, national review is no longer relevant.

[SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't, he says all these things all the time.

[SPEAKER_09]: So it's like, why are you even [SPEAKER_09]: offering your time to them, let alone taking them on a vacation with you.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, anyway, it's get into a girl.

[SPEAKER_09]: I just had to bring up that that is so bizarre.

[SPEAKER_08]: It was just like, wow, and it's particularly interesting, not because he's consistently bashing them.

[SPEAKER_08]: But, you know, I think it's real telling because in this article, one of the things he addresses is that he feels that he's being attacked and betrayed by his, his own.

[SPEAKER_08]: So just be sure by fellow conservatives and that he's lost some friends in the process.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: which, you know, it's fine, but to me, the fact, you know, and I, I can, I can sympathize with that reaction, but his response is, you know, what we've seen so far is like, well, then do your own interview, or do your own thing, or going to the New York Times for an interview as opposed to really [SPEAKER_08]: Like in the face of like okay fine, well then I'm gonna go and I'm gonna do this And this is my personal opinion, okay?

[SPEAKER_08]: I know on YouTube we're gonna get all kinds of comments from the friendly They're just gonna be like these old hags and their opinions who cares.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm like I do [SPEAKER_08]: That's right, I'm here for it, but I want to go through just a few things in this article.

[SPEAKER_08]: As I mentioned, the title was once he was just asking questions, now Tucker Carlson is the question.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it says a consumer to commentator is further fractured the right with his anti Israel rhetoric and sympathy for a white nationalist and he's not in the mood to apologize.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that is perfectly clear from this article.

[SPEAKER_08]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, double checking to make sure that I was reading this correctly.

[SPEAKER_08]: This interviewer, now mind you Carlson at this point, he has already interviewed Nick Quintas, and he is apparently on the run because he decided to escape the wreckage for weeks of bird hunting in Maine, South Dakota, Nebraska, and Southwest Florida.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, okay, I do not be grudge anyone who has the finances and ability to drop a bomb like he did and then be able to escape the wreckage by going quail and fizzing hunting.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that that's amazing.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would love to be able to do that.

[SPEAKER_09]: But that just was so rich and so new your times.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like, [SPEAKER_09]: It's the it's their whole brand like it's so funny to me, um, but yeah, and that you would invite the New York Times on that trip.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it says here, during three hours of interviews driving to and from a quail hunting side outside of Fort Myers.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Carlson was by turns a dignity reflective and seething and thoroughly unrepentant for having roiled the conservative movement.

[SPEAKER_08]: in the interview, or his own escalating attacks on those who support Israel.

[SPEAKER_09]: So my first question is, if they drove two and from, that means that they were with him while he was fuzzin' hunting, and I want to see the pictures, like why were those with me?

[SPEAKER_08]: I would have loved not, I just want to, like, this is the guy that was interviewing him.

[SPEAKER_08]: This is the, I can't zoom in to the paper.

[SPEAKER_09]: He just doesn't look like someone who's going fuzzin' hunting to me, but I could be wrong.

[SPEAKER_08]: I really cannot picture that dude with a shotgun.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, physically hunting.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, but, you know, throughout the article, he, especially, you know, he brings up his usual suspects.

[SPEAKER_08]: He has, like, Israel does not matter, which is fine.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't care about his opinions of Israel.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'd really don't care about his opinions of Ben Shapiro per se.

[SPEAKER_08]: My rotation with him specifically of Ben Shapiro is that and and others that he's criticizing is that for 10 crews that he managed to have on his podcast, but even that he's not willing to engage with them right so like for example Shapiro was like hey why don't we he's multiple times has offered to talk this out.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_08]: And Carlson's like, is no.

[SPEAKER_08]: And even after that aggressive kind of hostile interview over the summer with Ted Cruz, a cruise approach Tucker to kind of trying smooth things over.

[SPEAKER_08]: And again, he said, no, he had no interest.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it says, here, he says, I have contempt for Ted Cruz.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Carlson said, as he drove back from the quail hunt, where he managed to bag six birds.

[SPEAKER_08]: Quote not just his public positions, but the way he lives.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then what parenthesis means it cruises in his speech previous this evening saying that Mr.

Carlson's interview with Fuentes, and that he had quote spread a poison that is profoundly dangerous.

[SPEAKER_08]: So [SPEAKER_08]: again, like he doesn't want to, but he doesn't want to talk to crews.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that's kind of adding to this.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah, and I think what you're watching and what we're [SPEAKER_09]: I have listened to his subsequent podcast interviews or podcasts since Nick Fuentes and the different times he spoke.

[SPEAKER_09]: And there's a real duality happening.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's almost like he's two people.

[SPEAKER_09]: He will say that he doesn't want anybody to become [SPEAKER_09]: Um, the worst version of themselves and become evil and, um, you know, become so full of hate, yada, yada yada.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he talks about that.

[SPEAKER_09]: So he speaks out of that side of his mouth.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then in the same breath moments later, he's talking about people like Mark Levin Ben Shapiro.

[SPEAKER_09]: Ted Cruz, Neocons, how they're the worst, they're evil, they spread lies, they are fine with killing people and he is doing it at the exact same time and then he'll kind of like reverse course for a minute, and like apologize and say sometimes I can be the worst version of myself and I pray that I won't be but I probably will be even in the same episode and then he goes on to continually do the things he says that people shouldn't do and that he accuses other people of doing so it's really confusing.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, and one has to ask, why is this happening?

[SPEAKER_09]: Why, where's he going with this?

[SPEAKER_09]: Is it just a matter of confusion for him as well or is there an ulterior motive to, it's like a new found bitterness and anger that I don't think people are picking up on yet because he's still like a pretty happy [SPEAKER_08]: But there's, well, I mean, I have to hear there, I have theories about it, and specifically, I think it has to do with an element of [SPEAKER_08]: like overcorrection, especially for how he promoted the Iraq war and during his time at Fox News, like an overcorrection of being part of the establishment being part of the system that led to a 20 year [SPEAKER_08]: kind of trying to over-correct that, and it's a very simple, absolutist mindset of foreign policy.

[SPEAKER_08]: You know, just like what he, the issue with his argument of us bombing Iran was going to lead to more war three, which didn't wasn't the case, because the president has no interest in getting us into a long war.

[SPEAKER_08]: even what's happening in Venezuela, he has, I think it's fair to have criticisms of the president of what he's doing.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't necessarily, I think he's posturing more than he's actually going to do regime change or invade Venezuela.

[SPEAKER_08]: I could be wrong, but it's not, it would be out of his character, and it's not really something that I'm expecting.

[SPEAKER_08]: But also at the same time, I think, [SPEAKER_08]: the Fuentez interview that Tucker did was what a lot of people had a criticism about was that he didn't push back.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I kind of assumed I don't know like I kind of gave him the benefit of the doubt like maybe he didn't know enough for when he was caught off guard and he or he was just he just didn't give a good interview, which can happen.

[SPEAKER_09]: But as this article, [SPEAKER_09]: reveals he knew exactly who Nick Fuentes is and what he was in the article he specifically states.

[SPEAKER_08]: I knew who Fuentes was.

[SPEAKER_08]: I knew it was going to rouse some feathers.

[SPEAKER_08]: I knew it would probably cause some issues, but he was like, I thought I could, uh, I was like, you know, [SPEAKER_08]: I could take it, it wasn't going to be a big deal, and then he says, this portion here he says, acknowledging that he had not prepared much before interviewing Mr.

Fuentes.

[SPEAKER_08]: He said, quote, honestly, I was guilty of the same thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: I criticized others for, which is judging him by a few three-minute clips I saw.

[SPEAKER_08]: The two head dinner at Mr.

Carlson's house in Maine, the night before the interview.

[SPEAKER_08]: The host could see that Mr.

Fuentes who came along, quote, was rattled like he thought it was going to be a hit or something.

[SPEAKER_08]: In a text exchange, Mr.

Fuentes confirmed that he was, quote, very uneasy and thought that the show would most likely be a full-on ambush or at least very negative.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Fuentes added that after the two went over the discussion topics, what the discussion topics would be, he quote, fell much better and more comfortable.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so wait, a couple of things about that first of all, so they've also interviewed Fuentes.

[SPEAKER_09]: And [SPEAKER_08]: That's what I want to understand and they just go so to me I'm thinking like because it says in a text exchange Fuentes confirmed, so I don't know if the text exchange is being shown to him or if the reporter is texting Fuentes, my assumption was that he's being shown a text message, I don't know well, I think that another thing that can't go.

[SPEAKER_09]: could go unnoticed, but shouldn't if you scroll up a little bit is when Tucker saying that he is guilty of what he criticized people for, which is judging him by a few three minute clips I saw, which essentially what that sentence reads to me as is he's not as bad as we think people are just taking the worst parts of what he says and clipping them together and taking them out of context, which happens to people all the [SPEAKER_09]: is awful.

[SPEAKER_09]: At the very least, extremely bigoted, sexist, hateful, and racist.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think one of the things is that he can say, so it's like the broken clock is right twice a day kind of, you know, theory, so like he can say something that sounds reasonable.

[SPEAKER_08]: that and this is one of the things that I was kind of a sort of argument that I made in my substack today is that you have to understand what is the fruit of that statement, what's at the root of that statement, what is the worldview that is guiding those statements.

[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, I could agree with some of his points and that's fine if you want to listen to them and some of those points might be valid but be aware that not that [SPEAKER_08]: And that's not even to say that those points are wrong because he's filtering them through his world view.

[SPEAKER_08]: Just be aware that his world view is not really something that you want to embrace or that is okay to go just because you happen to agree with a handful of things that he says.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I totally agree.

[SPEAKER_09]: I would just say in every so much a majority of what he says is just [SPEAKER_09]: gross really wrong and dehumanizing and and so you can find the things he's saying that you we could all agree all right that's that's part's not offensive you can find other people saying that who are not going to fill your brain your mind and your heart with a bunch of garbage yeah and so that is a very telling quote to me that he said that and then also what we talked about on the back channels yesterday is [SPEAKER_09]: He knew Tucker knew who Fuentes was.

[SPEAKER_09]: So he knew any had people working for him that knew.

[SPEAKER_09]: So he knew exactly what he was doing when he platformed, not platformed in, but interviewed him.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then also, he essentially is telling us that he told Nick Fuentes, don't worry.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to give you a softball interview.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not going to touch on these more problematic aspects of your rhetoric, because why else would [SPEAKER_09]: Fuentes say, yeah, I felt so much more comfortable after we had dinner.

[SPEAKER_09]: We talked about what we were going to talk about.

[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, well, I mean, specifically in the article, he says, and this is Carlson.

[SPEAKER_08]: He says, quote, I just want to be clear about this.

[SPEAKER_08]: I knew what would happen, Mr.

Carlson said, of the reaction to his anti-Israel posture, quote, and I felt that at this point in my life, I can take it and it's worth it because I want to force a rational public conversation about what's in our country's [SPEAKER_08]: Then we should have that, but do you have to I'm not opposed to that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I don't.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: Either Mike.

[SPEAKER_08]: Then he says 10 minutes later in the interview though, he returned to the subject of how his fellow conservatives had turned on him and his unslappability gave way to outrage.

[SPEAKER_08]: Quote, I most disparating the most disparating fact of the last nine months is that huge portions of the institutional Republican party all kind of hate free speech every bit as much as the left does he said.

[SPEAKER_08]: They are every bit as sensorious as some [SPEAKER_08]: Blue haired menopausal black lives matter activists and I just didn't know that and I'm disgusted.

[SPEAKER_08]: I feel betrayed and I take it personally.

[SPEAKER_08]: You can totally hear him.

[SPEAKER_08]: I take it closer.

[SPEAKER_08]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's really an interesting statement because I think he's conflating [SPEAKER_09]: criticism.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah, he's he's conflating people in the Republican party, hating bad ideas, and he's translating that into hating free speech.

[SPEAKER_09]: Nobody, nobody, I did not see one person saying Tucker Carlson's podcast used to be taken away.

[SPEAKER_09]: D platform Nick Fuentes off of YouTube, although I think it'd be a net good for the world if he wasn't able to be out there talking to 18 year old boys, but whatever, but nobody was calling for that.

[SPEAKER_09]: People were just saying this was a bad [SPEAKER_09]: interview with a bad guy Tucker and he did take it personally and in that sense it feels like to me [SPEAKER_09]: It's a little bit of someone who has really, really big feelings and isn't able to actually take criticism when he says so often on his podcast that he doesn't care what anybody thinks and he's totally fine and secure in what's happening and I think you have that coupled with him so wanting to run so far from.

[SPEAKER_09]: everything he feels is like the neocon kind of bubble fox news national review the Iraq war all the agencies which is dad worked for yeah and he's running in the opposite direction you know he changed his look he kind of rebranded he got away from the William F.

Buckley like bow tie and pin stripes and he's you know a little more folksy now it's just [SPEAKER_09]: You can just sense that there's a lot there that has angered him and [SPEAKER_09]: he is now targeting what he thinks the enemy is which is the neocon right that is real loving.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I feel that he's generation.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's doing like and I wrote about this.

[SPEAKER_08]: I feel like he's doing it and allowed like I don't it platforming I hate to say platforming because that's not it because I really don't care that he had went his on.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's the lack of pushback is great.

[SPEAKER_08]: what annoys me.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think he did not push back because he was open to his ideas simply because of the fact that Fuentes is critical of Israel.

[SPEAKER_08]: And because he had a 30-minute story to tell.

[SPEAKER_08]: about Ben Shapiro and how Ben Shapiro's a bad guy in Nick Fuentes is victim and you can also argue that Ben Shapiro may be contributed to the origin story of Nick Fuentes and you can even make that I know that was a mistake but you just it's just like to me it just speaks so much more about [SPEAKER_08]: And you're forsaking one for the other.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's almost like he's blinded by his own emotions and anger that he can't be like he just seems to me.

[SPEAKER_08]: He's just emotion-driven and narrative-driven.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it's fine like, you know, everybody has subject to their opinion that can share their opinion.

[SPEAKER_08]: But I mean, like show some, like be a dude, show some responsibility, show some backbone or something instead of just [SPEAKER_09]: Like I had driven by the feelings what he said in that one quote where he said that he knew what was going to happen.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he knew exactly I don't think he knew that this was going to happen, but I think he did know that it having Nick Fuentes on was going to tick off people.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and it was going to significantly.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, specifically.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, my gosh.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, specifically the type of people that he wants to tick off the old guard, you know, and in that sense, it's.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he just wants to do damage to the part of the Republican party, the coalition that he thinks that he has he does have contempt he has contempt for the Lindsey grams and the Ted Cruz as he talks about it all the time and this was just a convenient way to make a lot of those people.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, to trigger them, to trigger them, yeah, right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I want before we move on from the article, I do want to touch on one statement that he said, I know which one you're going to bring up right now.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I've had it up on the screen for a hot minute.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I just, I just, this one, I literally like, wait, what?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep, excuse me, it's a, it's a pedoname, it's good.

[SPEAKER_08]: OK, so it goes a lifelong Protestant.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mr.

Carlson said that he had recently grown quote much more devout, and that he had spent a year and a half reading the Bible in its entirety.

[SPEAKER_08]: What drove him to, do so, he said, what's his belief that quote, the spiritual war is real in America?

[SPEAKER_08]: He now recites the Lord's prayer daily.

[SPEAKER_08]: He says, as a guard against quote, hating people on the basis of their race or just hating them in general.

[SPEAKER_08]: the end.

[SPEAKER_09]: That one, that's a loaded portion of, I mean, there was lots of gems in this article, but that one, I had to stop, I was listening to that one because he did already in my track.

[SPEAKER_09]: I stopped.

[SPEAKER_09]: I went back and I listened again and then I message you very quickly.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I was like, I'm sorry, um, did he just say he has to recite that because I recite the Lord's prayer every day.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's part of our liturgy morning and evening prayer.

[SPEAKER_09]: Um, I have never [SPEAKER_09]: recited it in order to Fend it off, raise a picture.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, hatred for someone because of the color of their skin.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's never occurred to me ever and not one time in my life.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that, it's just, I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_09]: He not only thinks that, if that's a real thing, but he set it in an interview.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like, why?

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if I miss something.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I share a screen shot of that in my Instagram stories and somebody replied with, excuse me Tucker, but the Lord's Prayer isn't a rabbit's foot that you wish upon a star on or something like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: So.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I thought it was interesting analogy because, you know, that's probably another one of my frustrations that have happened, especially recently, you know, as we've seen things change.

[SPEAKER_08]: Um, is that he will frequently in his conversation, it will be like, well, he has a Christian scripture and Christianity.

[SPEAKER_08]: And if you know, this is this, and this is heresy, and this is what I believe, and this is Christian, and this is not.

[SPEAKER_08]: No.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then, for you to go and say, and I just found this, and I feel like he also does that in an attempt to create authority, so to speak, like you can trust me, I'm a Christian, your Christian, therefore you can trust what I'm saying, because I'm not going to, I'm not going to guide you.

[SPEAKER_08]: or Mr.

[SPEAKER_08]: I do, yeah, I do a stray or anything because, you know, we're both Christians.

[SPEAKER_08]: I want to make sure that we're as brothers in sisters in Christ that we hold each other accountable.

[SPEAKER_08]: And they don't like that.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't like it when I think people need to be really careful about who they listen to.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is why we talk about it a lot because when influencers or even pastors, leaders in like this movements that are happening in our country, they'll [SPEAKER_09]: They'll evoke scripture and they'll use it for their purposes and they'll manipulate what it actually says.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, simple example last week he was talking about Dietrich Bonhoeffer and how look even a pastor can go and do something horrible like kill Hitler and you just have to go wait.

[SPEAKER_09]: What are you saying right now and it's that he can say these things so flip it.

[SPEAKER_09]: And if you, it's the same way with Canada.

[SPEAKER_09]: If they say things so flippantly and they use scripture and the Bible and being a Christian, [SPEAKER_09]: as kind to prop up whatever, you know, their mission is that weak.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that should not be so, it shouldn't be so accepted by Christians, or at least not called out and just say, like, you can't do that, you shouldn't do that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Please don't use, you know, the Lord is your mascot for your podcast, you know, to me, but we're seeing it a lot a lot lately, with especially, I mean, politicians and [SPEAKER_09]: people who are impacting culture through their influence on YouTube or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I mean, Fuentes talks about his Christianity.

[SPEAKER_09]: They talked about it in the podcast together and I'm going, no, we're not going to, we shouldn't be doing this.

[SPEAKER_09]: Please stop.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, yeah, I mean, it's like anyone is, everybody's capable of failing and, and of course, [SPEAKER_08]: But I think we all have to use a little discernment on what type of fruit someone is producing and I think that speaks a lot as to whether or not when they use this camaraderie to try and connect with you, if it's genuine or if it's if I don't want to say if it because I don't want to I don't want to question people, but the thing is.

[SPEAKER_08]: I, whether it should be trusted.

[SPEAKER_08]: Do you understand?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And right now, there is a lot of that going on.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think it's this idea of like, you know, religion is back, Christianity is back.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's based, you know, they're wearing it like as, as this, [SPEAKER_08]: Badge of like I'm based I'm not like those crazy liberals and that doesn't necessarily mean Yeah, that you have it together or that that is I mean that doesn't even mean that you your opinion isn't valid [SPEAKER_08]: It just, I don't like that being used in a way to frankly, I view lower listeners guard down.

[SPEAKER_08]: And even with leaders, I don't have a problem with them, obviously expressing their face as political leaders, but don't use it to manipulate me.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think that's the main thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, that's why I find it so interesting that some Christians, too, had a problem, have problems when Trump says stuff about God or his understanding of religion and they're like, he's, you know, this is blasphemous whatever and [SPEAKER_09]: especially like that last time where he said, I don't think I can get in the heaven, you know, yeah, people had a field day without, but he's being honest about the fact that he doesn't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: He doesn't have a foundation of about scripture or about Christian myths that he's no authority in it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but when when people with an outsized amount of influence or any influence at all tries to try to bring in [SPEAKER_09]: elements of Christianity, elements of Scripture, and the truth of, you know, who Christ is, and they use it to back up their very human arguments in a manipulative way.

[SPEAKER_09]: What's sad is that there's a lot of people listening to some of these influencers who are like baby Christians.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're new to all of it, and if you don't have discernment yet to go, whoa, okay, that has nothing to do with the Scripture you just quoted or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's really easy to get let us train, [SPEAKER_09]: You know, constantly are doing that.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I've seen him do it and others too.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just the other side of the coin where you see like progressives who will be like, we'll take one singular scripture or a story or their interpretation of what they, how they view Christ, what is Christ like.

[SPEAKER_08]: So the same thing is just, [SPEAKER_08]: The commercial theory.

[SPEAKER_08]: Again, we have a horseshoe saying.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, it's the same problems on both sides.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, but I, that I, what's interesting to me about this article is that it answered a lot of the questions that I had after that initial interview.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it confirms to me a little bit more of what is he trying to do?

[SPEAKER_08]: What is this motive here?

[SPEAKER_08]: I think he exposed quite a few things.

[SPEAKER_08]: Where a lot of people have been confused as to what's been going on.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't think, I think I do think there's a few things here.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think right now the label of anti-Semitism that's just kind of being thrown around.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think it's again being overused.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think that Tucker Carlson is anti-Semitic, but I think he is allowing himself to be blinded.

[SPEAKER_08]: by people who are anti-Semitic and that their messages are anti-Semitic because they align with some worldview that he's trying to craft a narrative for.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so he's just kind of willing to set that aside because they have other things to say that he agrees with.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so it's almost like, it's the same thing with, for example, Megan Kelly.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think she's just kind of being irresponsible and trying to write a fence, but I don't [SPEAKER_09]: No, I think that they understand, well, I think first of all, and you hate to make it this course, but they're millionaires.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're making tons of money and profit off of what they're doing.

[SPEAKER_09]: And if Megan Kelly comes out and sides against Tucker or gives him a hard time, [SPEAKER_09]: Or makes it seem like she disapproved of what he was, I mean, she stands to lose a lot of listeners that's just what's happening.

[SPEAKER_09]: Look at what the fallout at heritage foundation and you've got all of this in fighting and so I think it does.

[SPEAKER_09]: It is good to point out that this is also a business for these people, and I think what happened with I think that the conversation between Tucker and Nick was less about Tucker interviewing Nick Fuentes, and it was more about him making the right people angry in his eyes.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think he knew that that was going to happen.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't necessarily think it was, you know, to.

[SPEAKER_09]: to hear this guy's ideas or whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think he just was he'd knew, first of all, yeah, he knew he was in a role, some feathers.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was good to be sensational.

[SPEAKER_09]: I was going to get millions of listens and make tons of money.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think he knew that it would make the people he has contempt for mad.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so I think that that's [SPEAKER_08]: That was a sharp business move I think he knew exactly what was going to happen and it did in that well and I think that's probably for me most recently one of the things have been really Kind of like a little bit of a realization that's been really disappointing like we went through this era.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm actually just kind of realizing this we went through this era of the legacy media feeding us lies because they wanted to push a certain agenda they wanted silent certain voices.

[SPEAKER_08]: And many people turn to independent outlets, who I'm not saying that we can't trust them.

[SPEAKER_08]: But again, we're finding ourselves in entering a space where we have to filter through what their ulterior motives are.

[SPEAKER_08]: Whether it's money, whether it's fame, influence, pushing a policy.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that's just the nature right now of what we no longer have.

[SPEAKER_08]: the illusion of unbiased media anymore.

[SPEAKER_08]: I just would really like if independent creators were way more their responsibility versus [SPEAKER_08]: their exposure and their influence.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and I think that that comes from a meteoric rise for some of these influencers and people in the independent journalism space, all of a sudden, people were like, we're sick of mainstream media, we're going this way.

[SPEAKER_09]: So people got flooded with all of this fame essentially and they're they're kind of having to work out how to handle it in front of everybody and it's not going so well.

[SPEAKER_09]: And also, I think that when some of these people, Megan Kelly Tucker, Candace, a lot of them, a lot of these TikTokers who I don't know about because I'm on TikTok, but they have like eight million followers, whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: What?

[SPEAKER_09]: They're realizing as a lot of them started with a viewpoint of, you know, we're just, we're just independent.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're on our own.

[SPEAKER_09]: We have no help.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's just little me to all of a sudden becoming the juggernaut's like MSNBC and CNN and Fox used to be now they are no longer these small little cottage they have larger platforms and any the legacy does.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, right, which makes them the legacy medium now it makes them mainstream media now and and you have to question them in the same way you questioned.

[SPEAKER_09]: all of the other people that came before him.

[SPEAKER_09]: And we have to question ourselves if we grow as we grow.

[SPEAKER_09]: staying very true to fundamental principles that got us into the work in the first place.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that becomes harder and harder, the more opportunity and the more opportunities and money you make.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, I'm so anti-social, I mean, absolutely, you get, no, but it becomes a thing where all the sudden one day you're being asked, can you come here, can you say this, can you repeat this, whatever, and we have to be going back to first things first, [SPEAKER_09]: So we don't lose our way in a way I'm watching these people kind of and I'm going wait.

[SPEAKER_09]: I used to count on you, which was probably my own problem, but yeah, it's a good reminder for us.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's for sure.

[SPEAKER_09]: I've been thinking a lot about that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we've actually been discussing that quite a bit on the back channels.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's like, you know, we've even joked.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's like we're never going to be humongous because well, maybe that's a gift, honestly.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that a lot.

[SPEAKER_09]: Someone said that to me actually at the retreat.

[SPEAKER_09]: We were sitting at dinner and we were talking about something I went to and she was, I hope not offended, but I'm actually surprised you don't have more followers.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I said to her, yeah, so am I actually I've been working really, really hard for like four years now and I know other friends that started it like a year ago and they have like triple quadruple what I have and then I thought about it a lot that night and I've told you this and my husband I think I mean who knows why the Lord allows certain things and other things, but [SPEAKER_09]: Heck, maybe he's saving me from myself because you know, but it's it's I'm very serious.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like you don't you don't know what you're going to be like when you have an extreme amount of influence and access and opportunities.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's just you take a lot of work to just like keep it ground state normal.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, a like normal normal normal.

[UNKNOWN]: Good.

[SPEAKER_08]: I was wondering, okay, so in regards to, because another thing that I've seen a lot, and we saw, we've seen this specifically, I feel like with JDVets.

[SPEAKER_08]: there is like I didn't pull the clip but I saw it this morning where Jake Tapper is bringing up Nick Fuente is bringing up J.D.

[SPEAKER_08]: Vance how he won't distance himself also bringing up J.D.

[SPEAKER_08]: Vance's assistant or I think he's a deputy press secretary if I'm not mistaken which I don't remember I don't [SPEAKER_08]: Buckley Carlson, who is Tucker Carlson's son and just to clarify for people if anybody's been following this ridiculous crazy angle of the story, it is crazy.

[SPEAKER_08]: So Tucker Carlson has a brother name Buckley Carlson and Buckley Carlson has been reposting and kind of defending Nick Fuentes clips.

[SPEAKER_08]: That buckley Carlson is not the same buckley Carlson that works for JD Vance.

[SPEAKER_08]: That is all Carlson suffused.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're confusing and do not think things through before they post them.

[SPEAKER_08]: They're both buckly.

[SPEAKER_08]: But one is a 50 something year old man and the other one is I think.

[SPEAKER_08]: his son is maybe 23, 24 years old or something.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I'm trying to see if I have here, which quite honestly, I mean, that's an angle of the story that not that many people are talking about, but how very interesting that like Tucker's son works for the vice president.

[SPEAKER_09]: Tucker is friends with the vice president or was whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: And it's, you know, and had on this man who has spoke and said really gross things about things.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he.

[SPEAKER_09]: didn't know about that or he didn't say, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: The whole thing is just bizarre.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's kind of what I was trying to get at because so in 2024, JD Vance was asked about Nick Fuentes.

[SPEAKER_08]: Specifically, the statements that he had said and he said that Nick Fuentes was a loser in a scumbag.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And he like he just about he was like, yeah, he's an idiot.

[SPEAKER_09]: So did Charlie Kirk.

[SPEAKER_08]: So did everybody has said that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then so this most recent thing has happened and I [SPEAKER_08]: there's a lot of people that are almost demanding the vice president to comment on it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know if JD pants necessarily needs to comment on it because [SPEAKER_08]: Like, from the plot, and I think I've made me have mentioned this to Amanda during the last episode, but from the podium of the vice president, why are you going to put more eyes on Nick Fuentes, especially if you don't like him or you don't agree with him, and also please remember in the past the amount of times that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Trump was asked to disavow the proud boys or, you know, what happened at Charlottesville, and he did over and over again, specifically Charlottesville.

[SPEAKER_08]: And they would just continue to be, well, do you disavow?

[SPEAKER_09]: Do you know the answer?

[SPEAKER_09]: No answer that J.D.

[SPEAKER_09]: Vance is going to give us good enough.

[SPEAKER_09]: My only thing about this is this kid has said, gross things about you in your wife.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's, [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he can't get up and denounce every single person who's done that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, JD Vance has caught a lot of slack in the past couple years.

[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, so he doesn't owe that to anybody.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's the vice president.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're busy running the world, right?

[SPEAKER_09]: The only issue is that JD Vance does comment on a lot of stuff.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's very much on X online and any comments about a lot of things.

[SPEAKER_09]: So when he doesn't comment about this specifically, especially since [SPEAKER_09]: Tucker's his friend, Tucker had him on.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's been a bunch of fallout and he has commented on like the stuff that's happening with buckly.

[SPEAKER_09]: He knows what's going on.

[SPEAKER_09]: He knows that it's being talked about and he's not making a specific comment about it.

[SPEAKER_09]: Even though he's making specific comments about other things, it just makes me go, why aren't you saying anything about it then?

[SPEAKER_08]: If you're talking about, no, and that's kind of where I'm getting at.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like I was trying to figure out like, [SPEAKER_08]: Does he need to also I think there might be an element here where he because we saw so I don't you and I saw I shared it with you.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't have the clip but [SPEAKER_08]: The New York Times did an opinion piece where there are warning people.

[SPEAKER_08]: This opinion piece was kind of set in the stage to warn people that JD vans is going to be worse than Trump.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's that tracks, of course.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, let me actually, I could probably because I think Glenn Greenwald shared it.

[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: and I might be able to find it because he had a really good take on it.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that's where I'm kind of like I'm wondering if an element of this is, I mean maybe, I don't know, I like I really don't think he agrees with Nick Fuentes, okay?

[SPEAKER_08]: First of all, let me just put that out there.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he agrees with Nick Fuentes.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I wonder if there's like an element here of like maybe pride [SPEAKER_08]: be told what to do.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Also, there seems to be an undercurrent of connecting the two to discredit JD Vance, because he is the heir apparent.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I actually have that.

[SPEAKER_08]: I found the expost here.

[SPEAKER_08]: So Glenn Greenwald shared this.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this is the Jameel Booye.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think I'm just pronouncing that opinion.

[SPEAKER_10]: No, that's fantastic.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: Jady Vance is idling at the edges of American politics and Glenn Greenwald says very shortly, you're going to hear this from the Democrat media.

[SPEAKER_08]: Look, I had disagreements with Trump, but he kept the crazies on the fringes.

[SPEAKER_08]: The really dangerous extremists is J.D.

[SPEAKER_08]: Vance.

[SPEAKER_08]: Trump by comparison is a responsible patriot because that's the same thing that they did with Bush and Cheney.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: So that's where I'm wondering if maybe like he knows and that he's just not wanting to partake.

[SPEAKER_08]: He doesn't want to perform like, you know, like do the monkey performance of like I just evolved and then like two months later [SPEAKER_09]: Well, and I do agree with that.

[SPEAKER_09]: Well, he knows the voting's coming up for mid-terms and he knows that he's going to run for president.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he wants to keep every single voter who's potentially going to vote for him as Donald Trump's heir parent, you know, on his side, he doesn't want to alienate this new growing contingency apparently of disaffected young men who are listening to the light.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't even think.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think it's a huge group.

[SPEAKER_08]: I just think, well, and I don't think they'll necessarily side with him.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's not like it's especially like if we're going to talk specifically about grippers and Nick Fuentes and whatever 10% of that is or whatever percentage that is.

[SPEAKER_08]: they don't like JD Vance either.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, I know.

[SPEAKER_09]: I just think it'll be the lesser of two evils again, especially if it's like for for those people, for grippers and that whole contingency.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that [SPEAKER_09]: the Democrats in the media are specifically afraid of J.D.

[SPEAKER_09]: Vance because he has more longevity.

[SPEAKER_09]: He'll be able to have absolutely, and he will start a new coalition.

[SPEAKER_09]: Because Maga will be done with, I think Maga will be done with Trump.

[SPEAKER_09]: Trump leaves and I don't think that Maga's going to stick around with the next president.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's going to have to be a new vision for how we move forward.

[SPEAKER_09]: Because that's just, I mean, Trump's going to be out of office.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're not going to have them anymore to kind of run this party.

[SPEAKER_09]: with him at the helm.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I think that they're afraid of JD Vance.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's young.

[SPEAKER_09]: He has a lot of years in politics ahead of him.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he's a powerhouse in a way that Trump is not just like Trump's powerhouse in a way that JD Vance is not.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I think that [SPEAKER_09]: J.D.

[SPEAKER_09]: Vance can communicate though, yeah, very well.

[SPEAKER_09]: And he also isn't as foreign relations flirtatious as Trump is.

[SPEAKER_09]: He's very much more on the isolationist right, which is interesting.

[SPEAKER_09]: So anyways, all that to say, I think the Democrats are very afraid of him.

[SPEAKER_09]: So of course, they're going to brand him.

[SPEAKER_09]: They didn't work to brand him as weird.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like they did and the campaign now they're going to brand him as like.

[SPEAKER_09]: even more of a Nazi than they did with Donald Trump, which is literally what they did with Donald Trump.

[SPEAKER_09]: So I mean, they did what they did.

[SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and I think too, I think we have there's several undercurrents that are in opposition to JD.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's not just the Democrats, but it's also like you mentioned, JD Vance is more isolationist and the establishment neocon element of the [SPEAKER_08]: doesn't want this, you know, so I think there, you know, there's a lot of, like, I'm kind of looking through all of that as what they're trying to portray them as because they're trying to filter it through that image to discredit him, you know, yep, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I do want it because we are going to be wrapping up here, but I do want to touch on this a little bit because another, you know, I watched the the quad on my TV now of the four major new stations.

[SPEAKER_08]: MSNBC and CNN have been going non-stop about the Epstein files.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, non-stop.

[SPEAKER_08]: It is their primary focus and specifically, Martry Taylor Green and Massey have been making rounds on these outlets.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't like we don't have time to go into the nitty gritty here but apparently so today there's supposed to be I don't know if it's today but still and there's supposed to be voting it's today is it today that's what Spear Johnson said yeah okay so a lot of this is being framed as the president not like martie telegreen is almost portraying this as the president being [SPEAKER_08]: not staying to his commitments to his campaign promises to the American people.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I would be curious to know what do you think about how she's been making that argument.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like I have my issues with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think she's posturing herself.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think she is lashing out because she wanted to run for Senate and when it's not getting the support that she wanted.

[SPEAKER_08]: she I looked up her voter like her record as a representative and anything that she has [SPEAKER_08]: sponsored has been pretty much politics.

[SPEAKER_08]: It's been about impeaching Biden or it's been about some kind of resolution or but nothing, you know, she talks a lot about the economy, the issues that her constituency is dealing with in regards to healthcare and everything, but she has never presented a bill to try to solve any of these issues.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: No substantial legislation.

[SPEAKER_08]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_08]: Your letter.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And now I think she's like branding herself.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, and I think that's precisely what it is.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think that she saw an opportunity, especially during the shutdown and with this Tucker, remember, Tucker loves MTV.

[SPEAKER_09]: She says she's one of the most like honest and loyal and transparent people he knows.

[SPEAKER_09]: So after that interview, I think she saw an opening for, once this conversation, the America First Conversation started where everybody's kind of jumping on either side [SPEAKER_09]: But can we mention to that nobody actually understands what America first means because it can mean like 25 different things to 25 different people, but whatever.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think she saw an opening and she is like, okay, I'm going to realign she realizes that Trump's not going to be around forever.

[SPEAKER_09]: She could probably have a longer political life if she played her cards, right?

[SPEAKER_09]: Then he will in the sense like longevity years-wise.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think she's comfortable in the House of Representatives.

[SPEAKER_09]: She makes a whole lot of money.

[SPEAKER_09]: Some stuff has come out about that this past week.

[SPEAKER_09]: But I think she's just, it breeds to me very opportunistic.

[SPEAKER_09]: I could be wrong and she could totally believe every single thing she's saying.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it is good to ask if you cared so much about Epstein.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, she's, that's her whole personality right now.

[SPEAKER_09]: Why didn't you talk about it the four years that Biden was in office at all?

[SPEAKER_09]: There was little to know each other.

[SPEAKER_08]: Why didn't you suggest a resolution that what, like, why didn't you do anything, right?

[SPEAKER_09]: And why is that what you're getting mad at Trump about right now?

[SPEAKER_09]: Trump has consistently been like fine, release whatever, like he just wants to move on and do other things.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so it's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_09]: She's picking that to be a pet project when there's so many other things that are happening inside the country right now with the, with the America first mantle that [SPEAKER_08]: when I'm seeing it and I apologize all very weird to me.

[SPEAKER_08]: So specifically on that, I find it curious because most recently, she's like the message that she's trying to portray or the image that she's trying to portray is that the president has been in opposition because of the Epstein files.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that he has lashed out at her because he didn't lash out at her.

[SPEAKER_08]: He did post and retract his endorsement [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And now she is now.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's painting herself as a victim because he called her Marjorie, Marjorie Trader, saying she's getting death threats or she's a phrase she'll be.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Which, and at one, today on the, the Capitol, she even suggests that she's like, I'm getting just a taste of what these women behind me have experienced because Trump is attacking her, [SPEAKER_08]: like you mean like she's getting a tweet and she's getting hot because of the post of from Trump and so she aligned her.

[SPEAKER_08]: This is politics.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is politics.

[SPEAKER_09]: This is politics, Marjorie, your place.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's trying to align her victimhood with the victims that are behind him.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, but this happened because she talks about America first and this, she went on, I just want to play this one for you guys because she went on Tim Dylan and talked about the immigration raids.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, here we go.

[SPEAKER_07]: as a conservative and as a bit of a business owner in the construction industry.

[SPEAKER_07]: And as a realist, I can say, we have to do something about labor and that needs to be a smarter plan than just rounding up every single person and deporting them just like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, and I'm going to get push back on that, but it's, I know, I'm just living in reality from here on out.

[SPEAKER_07]: And if anybody's [SPEAKER_04]: Marjorie Taylor Green, ladies and gentlemen, our next president, sorry, JD Vance.

[SPEAKER_04]: Marjorie Vance.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's weird.

[SPEAKER_09]: So as she's saying that as a business owner, she employs illegal immigrants.

[SPEAKER_09]: Is that what she's saying?

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's not a problem.

[SPEAKER_09]: That doesn't feel very at America first to me.

[SPEAKER_08]: Then she did and I guess I didn't grab it because she did this, you know what, I do have it.

[SPEAKER_08]: I have it over here.

[SPEAKER_08]: So she did this long video because recently there was this entire debate in the discussion about H1B visas, specifically because the president did an interview with Laura Ingram and where they discussed the H1B visa and he was trying to make the argument of why we need H1B visas.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, I talked about it with Amanda during the last episode, I shared my opinions on it.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think under very specific parameters, I think it makes sense to have H1B visas, like I prefer to have the Braini Act here in the United States versus in China, for example, but I think it has to be very narrow in specific reasons.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: So she did that.

[SPEAKER_08]: That was over the summer.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think when she did that interview was, it was definitely a few months back.

[SPEAKER_08]: So now she has posted for the first time because I've never seen her do a video like this where she is talking about legislation that she wants to pass.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm not going to play the whole thing because it's kind of long, but I, you know, you'll get an idea of what she's wanting to hear.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm introducing a bill to completely eliminate the H1B visa program, which has been riddled with fraud and abuse and has been displacing American workers for decades.

[SPEAKER_07]: There will only be one exemption in my bill and it will allow for a 10,000 per year cap on visas issued in medical professionals like doctors and nurses who provide life saving care to Americans.

[SPEAKER_07]: However, even this 10,000 per year cap will be faced out over 10 years to allow us time to build our own pipeline of American doctors and physicians.

[SPEAKER_07]: My bill will also restore the original intent of the visa for it to be temporary.

[SPEAKER_07]: These visas were intended to fulfill a specialty occupational need at a given time.

[SPEAKER_07]: People should not be allowed to come and live here forever.

[SPEAKER_08]: We thank them for their expertise, but we also wish them well so they may return to their home country.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that she doesn't want to have any incentive essentially for anybody to stay in the United States after they've used their visa.

[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I find it interesting because of the contrast between when it's her construction company, that needs people to help run her business.

[SPEAKER_08]: She's like, we can't round everyone up.

[SPEAKER_08]: But when it's about sciences, when it's about more specialized issues, which would be a smaller group of people, [SPEAKER_08]: you don't want them to have it and I get, I get that she's creating a bridge here, but I would think that one of the things that we have that is most attractive to bring talent here to the United States is the ability to stay in the United States.

[SPEAKER_08]: Also, I don't know if I necessarily want Elon Musk, for example, to come hang out here, train people for 10 years, and then decide to go to the highest [SPEAKER_08]: in China or Russia or to one of our enemies, yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then we no longer have that that the access to them.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it was interesting.

[SPEAKER_09]: Again, I feel like it's a very opportunistic moment for to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_09]: When she was just saying that we need to be smarter about illegal immigration inside the country.

[SPEAKER_09]: And yet in the video, she's like, we want to create at the same time we're facing it out.

[SPEAKER_09]: We want to create a pipeline to create.

[SPEAKER_09]: or to produce our own doctors and physicians, which aren't the the same thing anyways.

[SPEAKER_09]: And so there's a part of me that's like why aren't we then why aren't you saying the exact same thing and creating a pipeline for people who work in labor, people who work in the trades.

[SPEAKER_09]: And that didn't seem important when she was saying we just need to let illegal immigrants stay here because we don't have the workers here in America, which we do and we could.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think it's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_09]: Again, she posted that video right after that interview.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that's what I'm saying is it's the timing.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's opportunistic and she sees that her loyalty to President Trump either hasn't played out in the way she wanted.

[SPEAKER_09]: It hasn't been fruitful for her.

[SPEAKER_09]: So she's taking her shot now of this.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and I think it's very because she's like, I'm America first, first and foremost, nothing else.

[SPEAKER_08]: America for and it's like so frustratingly simple.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I say that in the sense of America first, and this gets people upset, doesn't mean that we don't have interest in [SPEAKER_08]: right in doing having reform relations.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to send my money to foreign countries.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to prop up foreign countries.

[SPEAKER_08]: I especially don't want to do any type of regime change.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't want to use it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like, you know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like Bush was with Iraq.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like thinking like we're going to bring democracy to the region by forcing it upon them.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: America, [SPEAKER_09]: for an interest in our interest.

[SPEAKER_09]: And if that means us doing things abroad and it is good for America and Americans, then okay to that thing.

[SPEAKER_09]: But that doesn't happen as much as we'd like to think.

[SPEAKER_09]: We're involved in a whole lot of things that you could argue are not [SPEAKER_09]: good for Americans or best for Americans or putting America and her citizens interests at the top.

[SPEAKER_09]: But people are making it more difficult.

[SPEAKER_09]: There's thinking, I think that there are people are confused.

[SPEAKER_09]: They're almost, when they hear America first, they almost think that means American isolationists.

[SPEAKER_09]: Like we're going to remove ourselves from the global sphere.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, that's not what it means.

[SPEAKER_09]: It just means that whatever decision needs to be made, if it is good for Americans, then that is a good decision.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, and I think that's one of, you know, she's clearly made some significant shifts.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I want to play this last one for you because I'm pretty sure that you haven't seen it.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it's about three minutes long.

[SPEAKER_08]: I've cut it, but you'll get the gist of it.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I just want to get your reaction on this one.

[SPEAKER_08]: Everybody listen closely.

[SPEAKER_07]: I write to say that I think Sharia law and women being forced to wear burqas is the greatest threat to our freedoms as American women.

[SPEAKER_07]: I am 100% opposed to Sharia law in America.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do you want to interpret that unapologetically opposed to Sharia law in America?

[SPEAKER_03]: I got to speak with Marta Retailer Green tonight and I asked her one of the things I was worried about, which is all this [SPEAKER_03]: Sharia Log, Muslim concern, I see on X.

Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_07]: My constituents talk about the same problem that played you and everyone on this call.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't, I've never been to a town hall.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've never been asked about Sharia Log at a town hall.

[SPEAKER_07]: I just haven't, I will tell you.

[SPEAKER_07]: I do think there's a paid social media influence or campaign going on on X.

[SPEAKER_07]: If you want Islam and Sharia law, you stay over there in the Middle East.

[SPEAKER_07]: You stay there and you're going to Mecca and do all your thing and you know what?

[SPEAKER_07]: You can have a whole bunch of wives or goats or sheep or whatever you want.

[SPEAKER_07]: You stay over there.

[SPEAKER_07]: But in America, see, we've made it this great, great country.

[SPEAKER_07]: We don't want it messed up.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I think it's a lot mostly on X and I think it is paid and it's probably coming from Israel [SPEAKER_08]: Do these people think that they're not being video tape and recorded and the people can't very easily find all of this stuff at the drop of the original that original video was about three and a half minutes long and it in the dates actually range from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty five, but the last little bit that I clipped it was November of twenty twenty five sorry June of twenty twenty five, um, compared to November of twenty twenty five, yeah that's.

[SPEAKER_09]: She, it's really interesting, too, because when they don't like something that's being talked about, it's APAC and Israel, but then they can shift their talking points around, it's really, I mean, that's like two different people.

[SPEAKER_09]: And I think that she, I don't know if she thinks these podcasts are too small, or their platform isn't gonna gain national notoriety, but how do you think you can say it to opposing things?

[SPEAKER_09]: And it's not gonna get, no one's gonna hear it.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_09]: She's definitely switching things up.

[SPEAKER_09]: She has a, she definitely has her eye on a price.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not sure whether that one really took me back because I live adjacent to her district, because that it is the furthest largest, most rural district in North Georgia.

[SPEAKER_08]: And it shares the state line with Chattanooga, which I can tell you that I went to an event recently at my church.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now granted this was at a church and it was a, I forget the name of it, but it was basically like how to educate yourself in local politics.

[SPEAKER_08]: So it was a civics minded program or session.

[SPEAKER_08]: And one of the questions that a lot of people were asked was one of one of what is one of your largest concerns, right now, and the issue of Islam, the rise of Islam was said multiple times, right?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I find it a little hard to believe, especially knowing her district.

[SPEAKER_08]: that that would have never come up at all a single time in one of her town hall meetings.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now it's possibly didn't, but it would surprise me.

[SPEAKER_09]: We would have to.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, it's coming up all over the place.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's a conversation that all of a sudden we're all kind of being forced to have because we're seeing the influx and the growth of Muslim communities and the fact that like in this last election, like 40 different Muslim leaders were [SPEAKER_09]: and local federal level.

[SPEAKER_09]: It's a conversation that's definitely being had and for her to say that it's never come up.

[SPEAKER_09]: That must be paid.

[SPEAKER_09]: You get your $7,000 from Israel for saying that.

[SPEAKER_09]: You're watching a politician use.

[SPEAKER_09]: rhetoric and talking points, uh, instead of just being honest, it's really interesting.

[SPEAKER_08]: Brandy herself for a long time is just being like, I'm just, well, she's running for something.

[SPEAKER_09]: She's running for something.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what it is.

[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know what she has her eye on, but she's definitely campaigning right now.

[SPEAKER_08]: Well, the reports are that she wants to run statewide for either Senate or even governor in Georgia and that she approached the president for an endorsement and that the president sent her a poll and said that she could not win an election statewide in Georgia against off, which is the senator that's coming up for election.

[SPEAKER_08]: that cheap, I think she like came in almost 20 points behind him or something and some pulling.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so he said, I'm not going to endorse you because you know how the people like to win.

[SPEAKER_08]: He likes to win.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: And that in because of that and since that, she has been lashing out and that's really one of the biggest shifts or things that have caused a shift in her change of policy, her demeanor, her behavior, her responses to the president, [SPEAKER_08]: has lashed out which is not exactly productive.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, you know, so, I mean, nobody's exactly innocent here if we're going to be completely honest.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_08]: But to me that was particularly telling that last one because I think that's something that you would especially say if you are concerned, [SPEAKER_08]: about winning a statewide election where you're just kind of like quieting it down, softening it.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't, I don't think she's a exactly genuine.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, my good stuff.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, she's not.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's obvious.

[SPEAKER_09]: No, my good stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, so we'll see what how the Epstein files specifically, to wrap this up, I [SPEAKER_08]: Mhm.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think they're going to be a relative dud.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I think it's going to be a bigger issue for the any kind of bombs that come out.

[SPEAKER_08]: I think it's going to be a bigger issue for the democrat sphere of influence than it having anything to do is specifically, especially with Trump in this industry.

[SPEAKER_09]: I think so too.

[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you already have Larry Summers coming out and apologizing and stepping back from, you know, I mean, and if you don't know Larry Summers as he was a he worked in the [SPEAKER_08]: Clinton, he was the Treasury Secretary for Clinton, and he was also the former president of Harvard.

[SPEAKER_08]: He had a long relationship with Epstein after he had already been and convicted.

[SPEAKER_08]: Convicted.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like they were texting, the text that God exposed was because he was asking Epstein for advice on how to remember.

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_08]: of wooing some, yeah, professor.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, wow, is married by the way, not great, not a great look.

[SPEAKER_09]: And then you have like another story coming out of the New York Post about Democrats who had the era of abstain with texting him.

[SPEAKER_09]: They were trying to figure out ways to, you know, I have that.

[SPEAKER_08]: Do you want to see that real quick?

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_09]: So the story, if you can't, it's okay.

[SPEAKER_08]: No, I have it.

[SPEAKER_08]: So just to give you guys a quick.

[SPEAKER_08]: So the so Virginia, not Virginia, the Virgin Islands has a delegate like Puerto Rico has a delegate.

[SPEAKER_08]: So they don't have a vote, but they get a position on committees and that sort of thing.

[SPEAKER_08]: So they get to ask questions.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this was Plasket, and so she is a delegate of the Virgin Islands, which is where Epstein had property at and he donated to her campaign.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so it was exposed by the Washington Post, I believe that Plasket, while she was questioning Cohen, which was Trump's fixer, essentially during the whole stormy Daniel's fiasco, she was texting with Epstein asking for questions to ask Cohen.

[SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_08]: Simultaneously.

[SPEAKER_08]: And so this play by play here, which if you guys are listening, I'll read the text for you, but you can see how it plays out if you're watching on Substack.

[SPEAKER_05]: Me and it's, I'll take it under advisement now and it's not a problem in terms of Attorney Klein privilege yesterday.

[SPEAKER_08]: So she texts Cohen brought up Rona.

[SPEAKER_08]: Keeper, wait, what's the, keeper of people of the state?

[SPEAKER_05]: I would suggest I will turn it over.

[SPEAKER_01]: You as my friend, Mr.

Motors pointed out, Miss led this committee, even today.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really looking down at her phone.

[SPEAKER_01]: You were testimony.

[SPEAKER_01]: You suggested you are going to review that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did you review?

[SPEAKER_01]: He replies, Rona, question mark.

[SPEAKER_01]: Break to correct the record, yes or no.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Question, you helped out the president's campaign, or were involved in the campaign.

[SPEAKER_08]: Quick, I'm up.

[SPEAKER_08]: Next is that an acronym.

[SPEAKER_08]: I can't my screen so small.

[SPEAKER_08]: You read it out for me.

[SPEAKER_08]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Representative is a spokesman.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even in your words today, it was your idea for the campaign dating back to 2011.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that accurate?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes or no?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_09]: That's his assistant.

[SPEAKER_09]: Is what Jeffrey obscene?

[SPEAKER_01]: 2011 is a year that sticks in my head.

[SPEAKER_01]: For it's the year my daughter was born and it was the year I was diagnosed with cancer.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was not then pushing for Donald Trump to be president.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was fighting cancer.

[SPEAKER_08]: Three minutes later, Plasca asked Conan about Rona.

[SPEAKER_06]: You've mentioned some individuals to my colleague from New York, Miss Connelly, and also in your testimony about Mr.

Eisenberg and other individuals, Miss Rona, who are those individuals, are they with the Trump organization?

[SPEAKER_06]: And there are other people that we should be meeting with.

[SPEAKER_05]: So, Alan Wiceberg is the chief financial officer.

[SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_06]: You got to quickly give us as many names as you can, so we can get to them.

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, man.

[SPEAKER_06]: As Ms.

Rona, what is Ms.

Rona's name?

[SPEAKER_05]: Rona Graff is the Mr.

Trump's executive assistant.

[SPEAKER_06]: And would she be able to corroborate many of the statements that you've made here?

[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, she was heard offices directly next to his.

[SPEAKER_08]: Now, she knows all this already because she's talking to abstin.

[SPEAKER_05]: Involved in a lot that went on.

[SPEAKER_08]: And then, if fast forwards, one minute later, and I yield back at this time.

[SPEAKER_00]: Committee will now stand and recess again.

[SPEAKER_00]: We will come back.

[SPEAKER_08]: Text message from Jeffrey Epstein.

[SPEAKER_08]: Good work.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not 30 35 minutes 35 minutes after the.

[SPEAKER_09]: So that's a bit less about Trump and Republicans and a lot more stuff that probably the Democrats don't know that's in there and it's going to come back to bite him.

[SPEAKER_09]: Honestly, I do we wrong because we can be wrong.

[SPEAKER_09]: I'm not a good Epstein.

[SPEAKER_09]: Efficient.

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, I have I have many thoughts about Epstein.

[SPEAKER_08]: I talk I actually wrote about it in my last paid subscriber newsletter.

[SPEAKER_08]: Like I did a whole breakdown because it's it's so.

[SPEAKER_08]: obvious to me.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I have a lot of thoughts, especially about, like, what Massey is doing and what MTG is doing and even what Rokana is doing right now.

[SPEAKER_08]: And particularly most of the women that are being, or speaking at these, at these press conferences.

[SPEAKER_08]: And this is not to say that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have underage victims.

[SPEAKER_08]: That's not what I'm talking about.

[SPEAKER_08]: these women that are putting their faces out there and doing interviews and books and all of this sort of stuff.

[SPEAKER_08]: They were of many of them were of age.

[SPEAKER_08]: They were models.

[SPEAKER_08]: They were hired.

[SPEAKER_08]: They went back and forth and repeated and they were being paid and traveling around the world.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, as adults.

[SPEAKER_09]: So they're almost as smart.

[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, so there's two different categories here and we'll know like it when you say that they get very, very, very mad, but like you're an apologist for a pedophile and but that's not it at all no one has no disagreeing or saying that Epstein is not a total creep and you know horrible individual that is not it, but what we're only watching isn't what it's being kind of [SPEAKER_08]: No, because especially if you follow any kind of leftist accounts, their big focus is like Trump is covering a pedophile ring.

[SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, I don't even think, I don't, that's not happening.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, we can save that maybe for an unfiltered or something like that.

[SPEAKER_08]: And we can wrap this up.

[SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, that is not the case.

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[SPEAKER_08]: So I'm going to go ahead and wrap us up for today's episode, but I want to hear what you guys think.

[SPEAKER_08]: What do you think about this?

[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, this debate, this battle that's going on on the right.

[SPEAKER_08]: What do you think is going on with mtg and massy do you agree do you disagree?

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[SPEAKER_08]: Because you know, we're not, we're not big time here.

[SPEAKER_08]: Not yet, not yet, not yet.

[SPEAKER_08]: Then we'll sell out, right Rachel?

[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_08]: So, but we will be back here on Thursday for another episode of Revere and Reaves.

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