[SPEAKER_13]: this is why it's so wrong.

[SPEAKER_13]: Mendami is winning because he's telling people I knew it for.

[SPEAKER_13]: And that's why I am.

[SPEAKER_11]: Mama phone all over again.

[SPEAKER_13]: Socialist Superman, who's going to come save you.

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[SPEAKER_12]: What are we talking about?

[SPEAKER_12]: today.

[SPEAKER_12]: So we're going to do kind of like an update of a summary update of what has happened in the skirmish of Tucker Carlson interviewing Nick Fuentes, which we have both already discussed in the previous episode and on our separate platforms.

[SPEAKER_12]: I did a whole article about my opinion position or whatever on my sub sack, which is open to everyone if you want to go read that.

[SPEAKER_12]: But there have [SPEAKER_12]: We had not heard from had we heard from Kevin Roberts the head of the Heritage Foundation at the time that we know recorded the podcast.

[SPEAKER_12]: I didn't think so.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, because we recorded on Thursday afternoon.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, and the statement was on Friday on or no, it was on Thursday night.

[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, because I remember we were, right?

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I was somewhere where I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no [SPEAKER_12]: ripple effect that has happened since this interview played out.

[SPEAKER_12]: One of them being that the head of the heritage foundation Kevin Roberts put out he made a statement on his ex and many of you have already seen the statement If you want to see the full statement, it is in that sub stack article that I mentioned on my sub stack it's mcd.com [SPEAKER_12]: And it's a, I don't know, like a four or five minute statement and a lot of things stood out to people specifically about it where he basically [SPEAKER_12]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_12]: It was, it wasn't the best statement.

[SPEAKER_12]: It wasn't well received.

[SPEAKER_12]: And he did not directly address in that statement.

[SPEAKER_12]: The issue of, he said, you know, although I abhor what Nick Fuente says essentially I don't believe in canceling and heritage foundation will always stand by.

[SPEAKER_12]: Tucker Carlson that they're not separating from Tucker Carlson because there had been reports of them removing him from their donor website or page.

[SPEAKER_12]: I should say, because they didn't.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I mean, they didn't move.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: And so because of that removal, it led to a whole bunch of rumors.

[SPEAKER_12]: A lot of people were putting pressure on heritage foundation.

[SPEAKER_12]: This led Roberts to put out this statement.

[SPEAKER_12]: In the aftermath of the statement, not everybody was loving the statement.

[SPEAKER_12]: I personally didn't love it.

[SPEAKER_12]: I thought it was incomplete.

[SPEAKER_12]: I thought there was a lot left to interpretation and when you're in a position of leadership, I think when you're going to put out a statement like that, and he's to be a whole lot clearer.

[SPEAKER_12]: And even if I completely agreed with him, I think it would need to be a whole lot clearer because of the position of heritage foundation.

[SPEAKER_12]: uh...

was particularly interesting because heritage foundation has a one-voice policy and that one-voice policy means that nobody that's with the organization would publicly undermine or you know kind of like air out dirty laundry in public and that did happen a lot of people made public statements then he had to follow up with a long tweet where he listed everything that he had issues with neckwenters okay [SPEAKER_12]: cool.

[SPEAKER_12]: Then he had to, he ended up doing an interview with Dana Lash where he was specifically asked about the comment that he made or actually about the comment that took her cross and made about Christian Zionist.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I have that clip here.

[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people feel confusion because they feel as though their criticisms which seem to be scripturally based are being maligned as the division that is being sewn or that that's what is being described as venomous and and I think a lot of individuals find that hard to reconcile especially when it's set in defense.

[SPEAKER_01]: of someone who would say that they hate Christian Zionist or, you know, they hate people like Mike Hawkeby or Ted Cruz because they support, you know, Israel as a U.S.

ally.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why doesn't that description go both ways?

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that description can go both ways.

[SPEAKER_06]: What we're trying to do is eliminate that kind of venom, both directions.

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it venomous for you to say that you hate Christian Zionist?

[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, of course it is.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I've been really clear, not just yesterday and today, but my entire career that and the heritage certainly has in its entire existence that those kinds of things are just important.

[SPEAKER_06]: I was I said that literally yesterday because Tucker said those things.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be, I mean, is that not so indivision?

[SPEAKER_06]: It's certainly not helpful, but it doesn't mean that he ought to be canceled because it's not a question, but whether he should be canceled, is that so indivision to say things like that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a certain way.

[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people feel comfortable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel, yes.

[SPEAKER_12]: They feel as though.

[SPEAKER_12]: That was his response.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now, can I just point out that that isn't appropriate interview?

[SPEAKER_13]: correct.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's called pushing back.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, on bad ideas.

[SPEAKER_13]: We're pushing back on unclear things.

[SPEAKER_13]: I used to be a cheerleader, so I was.

[SPEAKER_13]: But that's that right there is an example of how you do not [SPEAKER_13]: allow someone and I don't think Kevin Roberts was trying to hijack the interview.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think he was genuinely like dear in the headlights like, oh my god, I better get this right.

[SPEAKER_13]: I better get this right.

[SPEAKER_13]: I better get this right.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's how you target the idea and dissect it and have that person explain clearly.

[SPEAKER_13]: Even when they avoid it or even when they try and like hope that the question is not going to be, you know, restated she handled it exactly how Tucker should have handled the entire interview with Nick Fuentes pushing back asking for clarity.

[SPEAKER_13]: And then when someone doesn't give it to you, ask again, and again, and again, don't give him an out, really.

[SPEAKER_13]: Which was my major issue with that interview with Nick Fuentes.

[SPEAKER_12]: It wasn't like, you can't have a mind or how dare you or anything like that.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's like, why are you basically just?

[SPEAKER_12]: sitting there.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's the bummer about the whole thing is like the tragedy of that interview is totally being sidelined with all of this conversation about someone trying to cancel Tucker.

[SPEAKER_13]: No one's trying to do that.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like I'm sure that there's some people out there who would love nothing more than for him to be off the air waves, but everybody knows that's not going to happen.

[SPEAKER_13]: Nobody's putting forth a genuine effort to get his, I don't know podcast demonetized or something.

[SPEAKER_13]: even if they wish it did.

[SPEAKER_13]: So they're having that conversation and I'll talk about what actually needs to be talked about, like the Nick Fuentes problem, the problem with young males in our country that are inviting this and saying, you know, starting to kind of get flirt with this guy, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_13]: And Kevin Roberts first statement didn't help and [SPEAKER_12]: Sadly, he did those follow up.

[SPEAKER_12]: He did that follow up interview.

[SPEAKER_12]: He did a follow-up statement.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's clear that they're trying to kind of because they have a control correct because they're having people pull donations, funding.

[SPEAKER_12]: They have people resigning.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: There was a new report from the hill that [SPEAKER_12]: the individual that actually wrote that statement was I forget his first name.

[SPEAKER_12]: I know the last name is Newhouse.

[SPEAKER_12]: Robert Nicholas.

[SPEAKER_12]: I think it was Newhouse.

[SPEAKER_12]: And so he was the chief of staff to Kevin Roberts.

[SPEAKER_12]: The reports, this is I'm giving you guys the information.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't have exactly an inside scoop here.

[SPEAKER_12]: But [SPEAKER_12]: The reports are that he was the one that wrote the statement, essentially it sounds like, at least the way that we're being presented the story, Kevin Roberts took the statement, read it publicly, posted it and did not have a full understanding of the entire discussion that it was happening online or full context of what was happening online and didn't realize [SPEAKER_12]: I guess the ramifications of that statement, like for example, Ben Dominish, he said he interviewed Kevin Robertson, that was a conclusion that he led to, I personally think that's a little bit of a cop out.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like if you are the leader, like if you're the head, the spokesperson of the Heritage Foundation, arguably one of the most influential and effective conservative, [SPEAKER_12]: think tanks in the United States, yeah, you don't just like take a statement handed to you by your chief of staff even if you trust him and then just read it and not have a full understanding either of what you're reading or what the ramifications could lead to that [SPEAKER_13]: understanding of what's happening.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's almost like the academic thing tank world exists over here and the online youth movement exists over here and the two don't intersect enough for the academic bubble to understand the youth bubble or just the discourse around some of these issues that, you know, [SPEAKER_13]: are bubbling up on the right.

[SPEAKER_13]: That to me is concerning because this think tanks like heritage, it's not the only one, but it's arguably the most powerful.

[SPEAKER_13]: They're impacting policy and ideas in administrations and with politicians, and you have to have a firm grasp on trends and things that are happening.

[SPEAKER_13]: And for them to be so unfamiliar, [SPEAKER_13]: or out of step with an understanding of what people like Nick Fuentes, or even more libertarian thinkers online are saying and how that intersects with politics and the different voting demographic, it just feels wildly out of touch with.

[SPEAKER_13]: some of the things that are happening.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I was telling you, Miss Adi that it feels like to me, these things tanks need someone who is kind of embedded online and is able to kind of translate and communicate that.

[SPEAKER_13]: And be like, look, you might not think this is important because it's, you know, you're, you didn't study this or it's not what you're seeing and the circles you run in, they don't discuss this.

[SPEAKER_13]: But [SPEAKER_13]: But trust me, this is happening over here.

[SPEAKER_13]: And one way or another, you're going to have to address it.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so let me help you understand it.

[SPEAKER_13]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_13]: It's kind of like how I have to go talk to my teens and be like, what does this mean?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_13]: Can you explain it to me?

[SPEAKER_13]: Or you message me because I am chronically.

[SPEAKER_13]: You don't like it?

[SPEAKER_13]: But like, if you know you don't know, find someone who does and that you can trust, but to just kind of, it just felt very, it felt like they were doing clean up afterwards.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like, oh, my gosh, we waited into something that is way bigger than what we thought it was.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, and they got caught off guard.

[SPEAKER_13]: Right.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, new house got first sent to, I don't know, this side of the heritage foundation.

[SPEAKER_12]: And then he was offered the opportunity to resign.

[SPEAKER_12]: And so he decided to resign.

[SPEAKER_12]: which is basically code for, you can save the design.

[SPEAKER_13]: And here's a severance package.

[SPEAKER_13]: And you can do this, but easy way or the hard way.

[SPEAKER_12]: In, I don't know, fuel, like I find that also disappointing, yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: because, well, I'm just trying to find the right word.

[SPEAKER_12]: I'm not hesitant to say what I think it is.

[SPEAKER_12]: I find it disappointing because I feel like new house has been kind of, he's been thrown under the bus and with out the acknowledgement of Roberts being equally problematic because you are the leader, you should have known better.

[SPEAKER_12]: Also, he then followed up with a statement.

[SPEAKER_12]: Today, last night at Hillsdale College.

[SPEAKER_12]: Hillsdale College, yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: And even in that statement, I understand what he was trying to say in that statement because I will say this just like I have said that I don't think I'm trying to see if I have yeah I actually do have it how long is it it's like five minutes okay okay but I will say that I understand what he's trying to do I just and I admire it because [SPEAKER_12]: I'm not saying, I think we should actually have the discussion.

[SPEAKER_12]: And my biggest thing is that ideas should experience friction.

[SPEAKER_12]: So they can be battled out so they can be tested.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I agree with him in the sense of like, I don't think we should cancel anybody.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't think we should just flat out cancel them and not be willing to have the debate or have the discussion with them.

[SPEAKER_12]: I also think it is wise because it is clear that I think I am grateful [SPEAKER_12]: so far of how the right is debating this issue versus how the left was just kind of like hands off and let the whole issue fester and now take them over as what we're seeing happen, which will get into later in this episode.

[SPEAKER_12]: So I am grateful that we are practicing what we preach.

[SPEAKER_12]: We'll see how it has it pans out, but we're having a public debate in discussion.

[SPEAKER_12]: for everybody to see that about this issue now granted you got like outlets like the New York Times that are trying to take advantage of did you see that picture that they published Michelle Holberg sorry, you're okay, do it, please, hold the please let me know, Michelle Holberg is an op-ed columnist and she is super lefty super feminists team.

[SPEAKER_13]: I've been listening to you just beyond, um, [SPEAKER_13]: Here we go.

[SPEAKER_13]: One of the podcasts I look at.

[SPEAKER_13]: Anyways, who is that?

[SPEAKER_13]: That is not a question.

[SPEAKER_12]: That is AI Nick.

[SPEAKER_12]: That's AI Nick.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, this is maybe Nick.

[SPEAKER_12]: First of all, he's significantly, he has to be significantly younger in this.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_13]: And yes.

[SPEAKER_12]: And then this Nick Fuentes was Charlie Kirk's bitter enemy.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now he's becoming his successor.

[SPEAKER_12]: Curly.

[SPEAKER_12]: Sit down.

[SPEAKER_12]: Get out of here.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now, I don't think like, and my point, I'm bringing this up because the public debate that we're having is being like, I guarantee you the left is going to jump on this and see, see, I told you they were not sees they're completely fine.

[SPEAKER_12]: And for example, I think let me see if I can find it in this article, but.

[SPEAKER_12]: Um, here, she brought up this quote right here, that says, a conservative writer, Ron Drier, a close friend of Vance warned.

[SPEAKER_12]: I'm told by someone in a position to know that something like 30 to 40% of DC GOP staffers under the age of 30 are groypers, which for anyone who's new to Nick Fuentes, those are his minions, groypers is what they call themselves, okay?

[SPEAKER_13]: But like, first of all, bad journalism, because even he says in the article, like he has no way of confirming that.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's someone's opinion.

[SPEAKER_13]: They're also flagging Rogerier like he is besties with vans.

[SPEAKER_13]: And yes, they know each other and they think they've had meals together, whatever, but he's even said in other substacks, I believe.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, or interviews, he hasn't been able to contact Vance since he took.

[SPEAKER_13]: He doesn't have a direct line to him.

[SPEAKER_13]: So he's going to elect it and he knows that and he said it.

[SPEAKER_13]: He's like, we're friends, but I can't get a whole of the guy if I wanted to.

[SPEAKER_13]: He's the vice president now.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's just how it works.

[SPEAKER_13]: So it's all very strategic.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's a sign up and it's so clear.

[SPEAKER_13]: This is exactly what they want.

[SPEAKER_13]: They want to have the Hitler moment because they've been doing this with Trump for like a decade.

[SPEAKER_13]: You know, and I think that this is very convenient.

[SPEAKER_13]: how there are some very ill-advised, unwise people on the right, who are carrying Twentus' water, like he's America first or something, which we discussed last week, he's not.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I had to blend his first opinions about on my subject, of course.

[SPEAKER_13]: So they're going to capitalize on the hopefully what will stay a small sliver of the right, and they'll be like, we told you all along.

[SPEAKER_13]: They all are white supremacists.

[SPEAKER_13]: they're going to try and make him look glossed over and apparently attractive because it's going to draw clicks and gain attention.

[SPEAKER_13]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, I mean, I was setting that up because I was thinking through this and I think this is what Kevin Roberts is trying to do and it's like there is no question that [SPEAKER_12]: there is an issue with young men because they feel disaffected.

[SPEAKER_12]: And this is one of the reasons that Fuentes is attractive to a segment of these young men.

[SPEAKER_12]: In addition to all of the economic issues that we currently have, there's a lot of things that young men feel like that they [SPEAKER_12]: have their reactionary more than anything else.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I think what Robert's is attempting to do, I hope, I mean, I don't know if this is generous, you tell me, is that he's trying to tread between not doing what the left did, which was just immediately ostracized all, especially white Christian men and say, we want nothing to do with them, they're all bad.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: he's taking that into consideration of the reaction to that, which I would argue has led to the situation we're in right now.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: And he's trying to legitimately be like, okay, all right, I hear you.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now let's bring it back.

[SPEAKER_12]: Let's have a discussion about this.

[SPEAKER_12]: Let's not just cancel and ostracize them.

[SPEAKER_12]: Let's try and see if we can like bring them back.

[SPEAKER_12]: You know what I mean from [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and I think that it was one of those moments, look, I don't know Kevin Roberts personally, I know people who know him, but I don't, I've never spoke with him, but I have heard from everyone I know that knows him or knows of him or those people that know him that he's a good man.

[SPEAKER_13]: He just, it, this think hopefully what this will do moving forward is it will encourage these groups and these organizations and the spokespeople for them, the leaders in them to really [SPEAKER_13]: think carefully about how we categorized large groups of people, what we talk about, how we use our words, how blind allegiance to people just doesn't work anymore.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's not, like the fact that he would even say we're always going to stand with Tucker.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't, don't ever say that I just thought he's in terms of him, it was crazy.

[SPEAKER_13]: We're not always going to stand with anybody.

[SPEAKER_12]: Anybody.

[SPEAKER_12]: Because he was like, what was it?

[SPEAKER_12]: He's like, God first, America always [SPEAKER_12]: I can't remember exactly how he phrased it.

[SPEAKER_12]: And then like five, you know, breath later, he's seeing like anyone who's going after Tucker is a venomous, you know, was it?

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, I can't even remember right now.

[SPEAKER_11]: I'll just knock my head.

[SPEAKER_11]: It's not good.

[SPEAKER_12]: It was not good.

[SPEAKER_12]: And then he's like, well, always stand by Tucker.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I'm like, no, let's not stand out.

[SPEAKER_13]: ways.

[SPEAKER_13]: And especially when you're, you can speak for yourself if you really want to say something like that.

[SPEAKER_12]: I know it.

[SPEAKER_13]: Then you can't do that for an entire organization.

[SPEAKER_13]: No wonder some of these people are like, I'm going to bounce because that is, [SPEAKER_13]: He's just it got carried away and he got away from himself and it was a really bad statement and he knows it now and I don't envy his position that he's in.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think you know without knowing the inner workings of the organization, I just think that they just took a big hit and I think it's going to take him a while to recover from this if I'm honest.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't think, I mean, I don't think this is me.

[SPEAKER_12]: I find it interesting.

[SPEAKER_12]: Not the end of her to know.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I don't think like, you know, everybody's like, this is, I think it's disappointing that this is what we're distracted with right now when there are significant other stories that are important.

[SPEAKER_12]: So.

[SPEAKER_12]: There are other, Mary, like the last is just loving this, especially like you saw that op-ed from the New York Times, because they want this to be true, they want to manifest this.

[SPEAKER_12]: And there's no question that with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we're going through a little bit of a growth.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't even know what the term is.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's a transition.

[SPEAKER_12]: No, this is a transition phase and we'll see how it pans out.

[SPEAKER_12]: I am grateful though that it is happening and that it is being debated, unlike what we saw happen with the Democrats, where there was a rise in anti-Semitism within their party among other.

[SPEAKER_12]: problematic issues and it hasn't gone away.

[SPEAKER_12]: And it has not gone away and they have allowed themselves to be led and dragged by it.

[SPEAKER_12]: Hence we bring ourselves to today's election day.

[SPEAKER_12]: And it is looking like Zoran Mondani for all in terms of purposes by all polling is going to be the next governor, not governor.

[SPEAKER_12]: I keep saying that mayor of New York.

[SPEAKER_13]: Polymarket gives it a 94% chance of [SPEAKER_12]: So I was watching somebody because, you know, if you guys aren't familiar with, there's Polymarket, there's also Cal, Cal, she, I think is the other one.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: People can bet on who you think is going to win the election.

[SPEAKER_12]: And they're actually, they're pretty good.

[SPEAKER_12]: indicators, indicators of who's going to win.

[SPEAKER_12]: However, Kelsey has this other one where they kind of broke it down further where it focus more on just not everyone who's betting, but people within New York better place on bets.

[SPEAKER_12]: And it actually had it really, really close with with Cuomo having an edge.

[SPEAKER_12]: Really.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I don't look.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't want this episode to turn into a bunch of coping.

[SPEAKER_12]: OK, I don't know what's going to happen with these elections.

[SPEAKER_12]: We even talked about this last night on our text thread, where I was like, I don't even want to say some of these things out loud because I feel like either I'm delusional or I'm coping.

[UNKNOWN]: OK.

[SPEAKER_13]: Now, I feel pretty confident saying that I think Democrats are just going to take a whole day.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think redistricting goes forward in California.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think that my state is going to elect a violent man or at least a man with violent tendencies to be our attorney general [SPEAKER_13]: And I think that New Jersey will do the same.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I think New Jersey's closer.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think it's closer, for sure.

[SPEAKER_13]: Hey, I don't believe he's going to squead it out.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: I hope he does, because Mickey, Cheryl, and Abigail Spamberger could not be less inspiring if they tried.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I'm not saying that to be mean.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm saying it to [SPEAKER_13]: to state that we watch candidates all the time.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I don't care if you're a male or a female.

[SPEAKER_13]: If you have bad ideas, I just I'll just say it.

[SPEAKER_13]: And Abigail Spamberger, we have, we have a track record with her here.

[SPEAKER_13]: And she is a candidate with no original ideas and actually defend some pretty harmful ones.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so I just, I'm really bummed out.

[SPEAKER_13]: Virginia had a chance with when some sears and some people don't like the way she campaigned.

[SPEAKER_13]: And he thinks she's a weak candidate.

[SPEAKER_13]: I've heard that, but she's principled and Spanberger isn't.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I just can't believe we're going to step right over Miras.

[SPEAKER_13]: And after JJ, I just I can't comprehend it if I'm honest.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm looking at this and going Democrats today are going to tell everybody that they're fine with violence because of JJ owns they're fine with [SPEAKER_13]: male in female spaces, Spanberger, and they're fine with communism with Bumdani.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's what Democrats are endorsing today through their vote.

[SPEAKER_13]: Now, if I would be so happy if I'm wrong, I just don't think I am.

[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, I think in order to be wrong, especially with Mondani, so Mondani currently his polls have held him [SPEAKER_12]: on the low end 10 points ahead of Cuomo high in 20.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I think it was just the most recent of poll, which I believe was from Atlas.

[SPEAKER_12]: If I'm not mistaken, that he came in within the margin of error.

[SPEAKER_12]: So they were only four points separating Cuomo and Mondoni.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now.

[SPEAKER_12]: The early voting has been very 50 and over, so there is a possibility there because the reports are that 15 over favor Cuomo, but.

[SPEAKER_12]: All signs are pointing towards Mondani.

[SPEAKER_12]: And it's significant because the question is, what happens with the Democrat party if Mondani wins?

[SPEAKER_12]: And I think we have to come to the realization that we've talked about that we're in a new era of politics and clearly Trump was a symbol of that.

[SPEAKER_12]: But it is what is happening is that it's no longer.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, Mondani is not about policy.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now, I mean, I don't even know if this is different because Cuomo and Mondani are both not great candidates and what is being chosen.

[SPEAKER_12]: And my personal opinion is personality.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's that Cuomo has a ton to overcome because of his track record.

[SPEAKER_12]: And Mondani is just, [SPEAKER_13]: he looks like a normal person.

[SPEAKER_13]: He is.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, and he tells youth what they want to hear.

[SPEAKER_13]: He tells this.

[SPEAKER_13]: Even if you find version of socialism and communism, because communism is just socialism on crack, my communism is better than you being poor right now in New York.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I've heard that from multiple people talking and sharing their feelings.

[SPEAKER_13]: Man, the man on the street videos that have been done in New York are the most fascinating of any I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_13]: First of all, I like people know, like people have no original thoughts.

[SPEAKER_13]: They're just spoon fed information and they were gurgitated.

[SPEAKER_13]: But that people don't actually understand that he can't just give you money.

[SPEAKER_13]: He can't just, yeah, he has to implement this.

[SPEAKER_13]: And then what's going to happen is he's not going to be able to push through his policies that he promised and then he's just going to blame billionaires and like, yes.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, and the Democrats because the total is the governor and that's what's going to happen and everybody's going to be upset and mad and it's going to work and then there's going to be a new level of extreme that they're going to have to go to, but these people on the street all but say they have like some kid who's like so I saw one today what what socialist country, oh, I have you to like see it yes, please yes.

[SPEAKER_13]: I would.

[SPEAKER_12]: I actually have that one.

[SPEAKER_12]: Hold up, please.

[SPEAKER_12]: That kid's good, too.

[SPEAKER_12]: He's a good.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: Nick Shirley.

[SPEAKER_12]: Here we go.

[SPEAKER_12]: All right.

[SPEAKER_12]: Let's see.

[SPEAKER_12]: What?

[SPEAKER_12]: Socialist country.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who are you voting for for man?

[SPEAKER_04]: I like Cuomo, but I think Mardani might be pulling the lead a little bit with me.

[SPEAKER_08]: What's your favorite example of socialism that's working?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have a big example of a socialism.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like between Venezuela, Cuba, Soviet Union, what's your favorite one?

[SPEAKER_04]: And you would be able to spot.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'ma have to go Cuba.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'ma have to go Cuba.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'ma have to go Cuba.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's going in.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just so complicated for me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I got so much information in my head, but I don't know what that is.

[SPEAKER_04]: So much information in the head.

[SPEAKER_04]: I hope so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Who are you voting for?

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, for real, I have never had.

[SPEAKER_13]: I've never had so much information in my head that I could answer one question.

[SPEAKER_12]: I could answer the basic question that you're asking me, but that's what they're all like all of them.

[SPEAKER_13]: They have no basis for why they're voting for him whatsoever except for what he has lied and told them he's going to do and they.

[SPEAKER_13]: believe it for whatever reason either they don't understand how politics works but this is even politics this is just people can't come in and just say I'm going to give you a bunch of free stuff and it works like that because if it worked like that it would have been done before this is not [SPEAKER_13]: It's not how it works, it's not how it's worked anywhere, it's never been a successful model for governorship.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so it's just really sad, honestly, and I think that they're bored with their options.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know why Cuomo run and I do think one of the stories that no one's talking about, but we'll be talked about.

[SPEAKER_13]: when Mom Donnie wins tonight is, and I don't even live in New York, and I am frustrated with Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sliwa, Sli [SPEAKER_13]: The only chance, I guess, they were going to be given to avoid Momsani.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't like Andrew Cuomo, and I don't think he's a good leader, but between the two, an old flawed Democrat is better than a new never had a job.

[SPEAKER_12]: communist like what have did you see him he was asked what a Democrat socialist is he doesn't have an answer no I have his answer okay let me get some muddy buddy mix I'm one of watching his answer I just think it's an utterly ridiculous answer let me pull it up here but to me if you listen to [SPEAKER_12]: It is a more skilled version of our last word salad, create a correct.

[SPEAKER_12]: Let's listen.

[SPEAKER_07]: I can't vote for you because you're a communist.

[SPEAKER_08]: I said there are reasons you might not want to vote for me, but let's be honest with my politics.

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm a democratic socialist no matter how many times President Trump calls me otherwise.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, explain the difference.

[SPEAKER_07]: What is the difference between a democratic socialist and a communist?

[SPEAKER_08]: I'm a Democratic Socialist who's also a Democrat, when I say I'm a Democratic Socialist, I explain it in the words of Dr.

King from decades ago, who said that call it democracy or call it Democratic Socialism there must be a better distribution of wealth for all of God's children in this country.

[SPEAKER_08]: Right.

[SPEAKER_08]: And what I actually find is that when you're speaking to New Yorkers, they ask you less how you describe your politics and more whether there's room for them in that politics.

[SPEAKER_08]: And New Yorkers are asking me, does your politics have room for my struggle to afford my rent, my childcare, my groceries?

[SPEAKER_08]: And frankly, President Trump ran an entire campaign, focusing on the cost of living, focusing on the promise of cheaper groceries.

[SPEAKER_08]: And his inability to do so is now making him increasingly desperate to try and stop the campaign that will actually deliver on the same diagnosis that he shared.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_13]: He said, laughing.

[SPEAKER_13]: He said nothing, you know, and I love it how you answer no and what's really interesting to me is he can't seem to understand that communism is just social social, oh, excuse me, socialism, that is just more extreme.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so a lot of the stuff that he advocates for is communist.

[SPEAKER_13]: He wants everything communally owned, he's already said that he wants to abolish like private ownership.

[SPEAKER_13]: He said that in a video like [SPEAKER_13]: with his words and the means to get the means of the means of yeah he wants to do that that it's like he hates capitalism even though he probably I don't know if he has said that allowed but he absolutely he has and says I have I mean he says I have I mean he says I have many criticisms of right okay it's how it's [SPEAKER_12]: frames it.

[SPEAKER_13]: In fact, I even think he, I believe I saw on Twitter, I could be wrong, but I believe I saw that he tweeted the actual tagline of communism from each according to their ability to each according to their need.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's a communist trope.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like, I get that we only view like the Chinese as the communist party, but it runs throughout all of his politics and all of his policies.

[SPEAKER_13]: video ready and so people let me know how it is.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, let me ask you this because there's a lot of there's a debate happening or I don't I don't know if there's this people just coping, but it goes something like this.

[SPEAKER_12]: Mondani wins in New York.

[SPEAKER_12]: First of all, a lot of people are like, why do we care?

[SPEAKER_12]: There's some people are like, why do we care about New York?

[SPEAKER_12]: First it's a major, it is a city that's basically a country.

[SPEAKER_12]: Right.

[SPEAKER_12]: And it has all kinds of people in it.

[SPEAKER_12]: And it is the pub of the United States economic.

[SPEAKER_12]: system or power.

[SPEAKER_12]: That's why we care.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_12]: That's why we care.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now, there's a lot of people are saying, like, let New York choose Mondoni.

[SPEAKER_12]: It'll be horrible and that will favor Republicans come the midterms and moving.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't know if it's going to have enough of an effect by the midterms, but definitely for the 20 for the next election.

[SPEAKER_12]: Right.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, do you think that's valid or do you [SPEAKER_12]: It's going to be enough, because I really think that this is also about personality.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't think I know it because he, like I said, we have short term memory voters in our country, we have voters that don't understand civics and they don't understand how policy actually impacts their communities and we have voters that are told something and then they believe it.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so that's why you can have all of these politicians that fail upwards, if coming in [SPEAKER_13]: qualified you to get kicked out and to stop doing the things that you are doing, then Gavin Newsom would be out of California.

[SPEAKER_13]: They even ran a referendum on him.

[SPEAKER_13]: They were going to try and out of him and even with how poorly run that state is, I came from there.

[SPEAKER_13]: They still didn't vote him out.

[SPEAKER_13]: And so you can't fail upwards.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, what's going to happen with mom Donnie if I [SPEAKER_13]: If I don't know, it could not happen, but I think it's going to see is he's going to get in there and he's not going to be able to affectionate change like he's promising to New Yorkers, there's no question and then he's no and then he's going to he's going to use all of the words that all of these buzzwords that the youngsters like.

[SPEAKER_13]: And that the old boomers like because I saw a whole lot of boomers, you know, Jews for Zoron boomers for Zoron.

[SPEAKER_13]: He's going to use all of the tag words, you know, this is the billionaire class.

[SPEAKER_13]: This is capitalism gone awry.

[SPEAKER_13]: This is, you know, the old guard, they're keeping us down and what I think that will eventually lead to maybe not a New York and maybe not with Momdani, but it will be even further push to the left to effectuate this change that they think that they want, but they don't understand is destructive so I [SPEAKER_13]: No, and what happens in New York doesn't say New York, just like what happened in California doesn't stay in California, and it hasn't, it's spreading and that's why we see it right now and not popping up.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, yeah, like in Minneapolis and you see Bernie Sanders.

[SPEAKER_12]: No, it's just, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a.

[SPEAKER_12]: There is a DSA.

[SPEAKER_12]: I think I may have mentioned this already, but there is a DSA cabin candidate for governor in Georgia right now, right?

[SPEAKER_12]: Yes, and you mentioned it on the long.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, she's young.

[SPEAKER_12]: She's Palestinian Muslim.

[SPEAKER_13]: When you I think I had a moment where I realized because I was sharing about it on Instagram yesterday.

[SPEAKER_13]: When you were talking about her, because we showed a video and everything about her, was she the one that was backed by care?

[SPEAKER_13]: See, yeah, yeah, and I have that video.

[SPEAKER_13]: By the way, do you have the one about Soron?

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes, so I do.

[SPEAKER_13]: Okay, excellent.

[SPEAKER_12]: So we're gonna be together with you.

[SPEAKER_12]: The next thing I was going to bring up is like, where are all of these people coming from?

[SPEAKER_12]: because Mondani was nobody, he was a nobody assemblyman in New York that hadn't proposed any hardly any legislation of anything at all.

[SPEAKER_12]: And the last thing he had done before that was that he went shirtless in some food cart in a ride.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: No.

[SPEAKER_12]: Oh yeah, the one wasn't his mom in that?

[SPEAKER_12]: No.

[SPEAKER_12]: I feel like she's like a producer, she is, so she may have produced it or something.

[SPEAKER_12]: She does not wrap.

[SPEAKER_12]: She will not wrap in it.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay, but I'm going to put play this clip.

[SPEAKER_12]: So this is Linda Sarsore.

[SPEAKER_12]: She is.

[SPEAKER_13]: horrible.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, you'll know her many people know or at least where I was introduced to her was right after Trump was elected the women's march, the women's march.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, yeah, she led it with like three other girls.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: So I'm going to play and just listen to her closely as she gives this a little peek into the rise of Zoramundani.

[SPEAKER_10]: Right now, I'm a little more quiet because I'm on the quiet side of this race, but I'm going to tell you that once November 4th comes around, I will tell the story.

[SPEAKER_10]: The story is not just, you know, that it's random that's Iran ascended to this place.

[SPEAKER_10]: It is our Muslim American communities.

[SPEAKER_10]: And I will also say that it's Muslim money.

[SPEAKER_10]: The packs that have supported Iran or a particular pack that has supported Iran, [SPEAKER_10]: grassroots donors and I want to make the point that the unity and justice fund pack which is the care super pack was the largest institutional door, the largest institutional donor to the pros of Ron Pack in New York.

[SPEAKER_13]: So when I posted that yesterday on Instagram, that video, the usual suspects came out of the woodwork and they were like so basically that's exactly the same as Christians [SPEAKER_13]: or a pack donating to Jewish candidates.

[SPEAKER_12]: I was like, okay, yeah, but it's not talk about who care is though.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, can we talk about not just that, but also the fact that fundamentally Muslims and their faith does not align with American values.

[SPEAKER_13]: It simply does not.

[SPEAKER_13]: Now, they can come here and assimilate to American values if they'd like.

[SPEAKER_13]: legally.

[SPEAKER_13]: But the point is, is that many of them do not seek to come here and assimilate.

[SPEAKER_13]: They seek to come here and change their environment and their communities to resemble where they came from.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's not the same.

[SPEAKER_13]: So I don't view it as the same.

[SPEAKER_13]: But I did have people in the comments very much.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like, well, it's exactly the same as you voting for a Christian candidate.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, also, I think the issue with care specifically is their funding and affiliation with terrorist groups.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I mean, that also is concerning.

[SPEAKER_13]: Maybe even more so than what I would.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like that would be my primary issue.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, because I can even be like, look, if you like you wanna come here, religious freedom.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: We got a simulation.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: That's the same part.

[SPEAKER_12]: That thing with the simulation to the values to the constitution of the West and principal of America of the West and the United States of America.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: Those they have to co they have to work together.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: Now, if you're being funded by an organization and you're claiming that you're for the common man and I'm a good guy and I'm here and it's grassroots and that's all this is and you're getting a huge dollar donations right from outside sources through a pack that has affiliations and support for terrorist organizations and or sympathizers like [SPEAKER_12]: Okay, I don't even care.

[SPEAKER_12]: I don't even care if you were.

[SPEAKER_12]: I would have a problem if you're Cuomo getting a whole bunch of pack money from care like right because the the focus in the principles and what care wants to promote [SPEAKER_12]: are very different than what we would want here in the United States.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, and like legitimately dangerous, yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: So like we don't even have to get into it.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like that to me is the main is the bigger issue.

[SPEAKER_12]: So yeah, I need the slutters making me.

[SPEAKER_12]: I'm just getting sweaty.

[SPEAKER_13]: I just don't think tonight's going to be a good night for Republicans.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I'm living in a state where this is not good news.

[SPEAKER_13]: We've had great governorship over the past four years with our six years, six with us.

[SPEAKER_13]: So the whole situation in Virginia really fascinates me.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay, because the New Jersey, I think right now is the closest out of these races and it wouldn't be completely out of the realm of possibility for New Jersey to flip and choose [SPEAKER_12]: First of all, Nicky Cheryl is a Democrat.

[SPEAKER_12]: New Jersey typically does not stay with the same party in the governorship for three terms.

[SPEAKER_12]: Usually, after like once you've had a Democrat or Republican twice, they historically have always switched over.

[SPEAKER_12]: So right now is a time for them to do a switch over.

[SPEAKER_12]: over the election.

[SPEAKER_12]: One of the largest shifts to the right was in New Jersey.

[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it was like this close.

[SPEAKER_12]: I think within six points of choosing, yeah, it's not a blue state.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's not a solid blue and it's purple.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I think they're also having some bleed over in reaction to Mondani.

[SPEAKER_12]: in New York City because close for comfort for them.

[SPEAKER_12]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_12]: So I think in New Jersey, there's still some possibilities.

[SPEAKER_12]: Also Scott Pessler has been up in New Jersey working a whole lot.

[SPEAKER_12]: And so there's still a possibility there.

[SPEAKER_12]: Although I agree with you, it's going to be, it's going to be close.

[SPEAKER_12]: Might.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it's going to be close.

[SPEAKER_12]: Virginia, however, [SPEAKER_13]: And I was wrong as long as he has been four years.

[SPEAKER_13]: He has been in office for four years.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, to me, it's been like a case study because young in one, especially on the parent's right issue.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I remember watching that implode.

[SPEAKER_13]: I remember the night that McCullough made that stupid statement.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I, yeah, that's like I, and I was like, you're done.

[SPEAKER_13]: Your entire campaign just ended right there.

[SPEAKER_13]: And he knew it as soon as it came out of his mouth and everybody there knew it.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I was watching it live and I just looked at my husband and I'm like, he is done now.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like, this is not great.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, it was pretty bad.

[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it was almost as bad as like we defeated Medicare.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_13]: That feels like like ages ago by the way.

[SPEAKER_13]: Ages ago.

[SPEAKER_13]: But it's going to be very interesting here that it could go from, I mean, the parents were so [SPEAKER_13]: No memory.

[SPEAKER_13]: None.

[SPEAKER_13]: And it was a decisive victory for young kids parents had had it.

[SPEAKER_13]: They were done being told what could and could not happen to their children.

[SPEAKER_13]: There were fights at school board meetings.

[SPEAKER_13]: There were parents that were treated horribly for simply because people arrested.

[SPEAKER_13]: It was wild, it was wild, wild west.

[SPEAKER_13]: And when you live here in [SPEAKER_13]: It's a very small area even though it's huge and everybody knows everybody and so you would meet when you're out to dinner like the guy that was arrested and on the front page of all the newspapers who was simply there because his daughter had been abused essentially and it was a disfini moment he won.

[SPEAKER_13]: And.

[SPEAKER_13]: of what's good and true, and against their own interest, especially the interests of their children.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I mean, it's not necessarily against their interests.

[SPEAKER_12]: I was both saying, I think you can bring out, can we also ask risk on this, the government shutdown?

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, and like I said yesterday, I made my prediction on Instagram that I think that the shutdowns get perhaps, yeah, they'll call it within the next couple days.

[SPEAKER_13]: They'll reopen it, especially I think, [SPEAKER_13]: that they're going to have a really good night tonight and they're going to be like okay so we can do this thing because they're distracted with this this overwhelming win and especially to no one's really taught I mean people in California are talking about it but I feel like the real national story should also focus on California because of the redistricting of the room.

[SPEAKER_13]: with pop pop 50 prop 50 you're looking at it and Trump knows it and he was he was tweeting about it this morning about getting rid of the filibuster because he's basically like if California goes through we're done like midterms you know what I mean we're not able to also like can I point out that [SPEAKER_12]: it's frustrating because you're done because you didn't campaign, you didn't invest, you didn't like spend time early on in California, yeah, dealing with this situation.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: And you have a game in Texas.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_13]: I know California Republicans are notorious for staying home, too.

[SPEAKER_13]: If every single Republican in California got [SPEAKER_13]: off their talk or took us and went and voted, but they just don't, especially in off year.

[SPEAKER_13]: They feel defeated too.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, they feel like they're never going to win.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, I'll tell you when you're never going to win when you don't vote.

[SPEAKER_13]: So it's a, it's a, it's a both sides problem.

[SPEAKER_13]: And if this goes through, it's kind of, it's going to change a lot.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, and I impact how much a Trump administration can get done.

[SPEAKER_12]: That and also I'm thinking about like, this is right now, [SPEAKER_12]: If we're going to talk about who's going to run for the Democrats, it's going new sim is going to for sure.

[SPEAKER_12]: I didn't know he's been he's been when she was she and everything like that.

[SPEAKER_12]: I think I'll see.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, but the primary is going to be lit for the Democrats.

[SPEAKER_13]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_13]: You're going to have that.

[SPEAKER_13]: You're going to have what's his name?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_12]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: I thought it was him.

[SPEAKER_13]: You mean, I talked with her to you as I use it.

[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, no, but there's a caricature, there's a children's cartoon in Spanish, like in Spanish television.

[SPEAKER_12]: Oh, I have never seen that of this little puppet mouse.

[SPEAKER_13]: His name is up at the, okay, no, I did not know that, but now that's funny.

[SPEAKER_13]: I didn't mean to be in this inadvertently funny.

[SPEAKER_13]: know you got tele Rico you've got new some you got AOC Kamala's already hinting about coming back and doing that you've got Shapiro you've got Andy Bashir they're saying out of Kentucky who dressed up as Mr.

Rogers for Halloween which was I was actually hoping when I saw him in that press conference that he was dressed up otherwise I was like that is little too on the [SPEAKER_13]: Um, so then they do have a stacked bench.

[SPEAKER_13]: They really, really, really do.

[SPEAKER_13]: Um, but I think it's going to be AOC.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's going to get the nomination.

[SPEAKER_13]: Um, I think you'll be like top three.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_12]: But I mean, in regards to this prop 50, you have a new sim is going to take this.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's going to put it in the past day of his life and he's going to be in court.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like, do you think he is annoying right now?

[SPEAKER_13]: I do want to say this though.

[SPEAKER_13]: If it is new some, then I will pray for advance to be the nominee for Republicans, because it will be so entertaining to watch them.

[SPEAKER_13]: It will be.

[SPEAKER_13]: And I mean that truly.

[SPEAKER_13]: Like, I'm not saying how I said it would be entertaining to watch Trump and Biden, because that's not entertaining.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's just kind of sad.

[SPEAKER_13]: They would be genuinely interesting because they're both charismatic.

[SPEAKER_13]: they're both intelligent and new some even though I think he's extremely deceptive and my gosh, please don't become the president.

[SPEAKER_13]: They would really have a great back and forth, I think.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but I mean, I guess you could see the same thing about AOC.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's like with AOC would be like a blood bath.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, that's what I'm saying is it wouldn't be as entertaining because vans would just chop her down to size so fast.

[SPEAKER_13]: She wouldn't know how to handle herself.

[SPEAKER_13]: for sure.

[SPEAKER_12]: Did you see the clip of Newsome saying that he can't stand politicians who lie?

[SPEAKER_13]: No, I didn't.

[SPEAKER_13]: That exists.

[SPEAKER_13]: He said it.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I'm not just in his mind.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, I will share it with you.

[SPEAKER_13]: That is, that's written.

[SPEAKER_09]: Nothing.

[SPEAKER_09]: I just like more than the politician that is sits there and lies to you.

[SPEAKER_09]: And we all just said they're all in our eyes going give me a break.

[SPEAKER_10]: Did you legitimately believe that he was capable of serving as president until January of 2029?

[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think my focus was frankly situational.

[SPEAKER_09]: It was making sure Donald Trump back at all.

[SPEAKER_13]: So he's just like lying right now.

[SPEAKER_09]: Oh my gosh.

[SPEAKER_09]: This guy.

[SPEAKER_09]: There was no interaction I had.

[SPEAKER_09]: That suggested otherwise.

[SPEAKER_09]: What do you say to Americans?

[SPEAKER_12]: That was him on that was this guy meet the press.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I just got no shares.

[SPEAKER_12]: No shame at all.

[SPEAKER_12]: I hate it when they lie.

[SPEAKER_13]: And then he said 30 lies to her.

[SPEAKER_13]: Mokosh.

[SPEAKER_13]: Please please don't let him be the president of the United States.

[SPEAKER_13]: I could not.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm quitting.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm quitting.

[SPEAKER_13]: If that happens.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm not looking to the headlines anymore.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm out.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's been real guys, but that is she's like two since that is like sharing that meme of like throwing yourself out the window.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I'm gone.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I'm gone.

[SPEAKER_12]: It would.

[SPEAKER_12]: Oh my god.

[SPEAKER_12]: And then so funny.

[SPEAKER_13]: Then it's right, but no.

[SPEAKER_12]: Before we move on, I did want to pick your brain about one thing because I found it interesting a few things.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like the campaign for these.

[SPEAKER_12]: three elections line.

[SPEAKER_12]: So, Mondani got support last minute endorsement.

[SPEAKER_12]: So, to speak, last minute from like Hakeem Jeffries.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I don't think Chuck Schumer has ever put his support on the team.

[SPEAKER_13]: And Barack Obama both gave these like tepid endorsements, even though they weren't endorsements.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, which I can't stand even more.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm like you guys could not be more fake.

[SPEAKER_13]: You totally want him to win because you don't want a Republican to win, but you know you shouldn't want him to win because he stands in opposition of everything that American values stand for.

[SPEAKER_13]: So just say no, I'm not going to endorse you or say a full-froated yes, but the wishy washi in the middle.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, I don't like it.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, he came Jeffries was asked about whether or not when Donnie is the future of the Democrat party.

[SPEAKER_12]: This is what we had to say on that question.

[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see mom Donnie is the future of the Democratic Party?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think the future of the Democratic Party.

[SPEAKER_03]: is going to fall as far as we're concerned, relative to the House Democratic caucus and members who are doing a great work all across the country as it relates to our need to both take back control of the House.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to make sure that we're communicating to the American people.

[SPEAKER_03]: We can tap our space.

[SPEAKER_03]: You deserve better.

[SPEAKER_03]: than the country that you have received.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you see mom?

[SPEAKER_12]: What does he say?

[SPEAKER_12]: There was no answer.

[SPEAKER_12]: Again, no answer.

[SPEAKER_12]: So he basically said no, no answer.

[SPEAKER_12]: The reports are that Obama, who is being campaigning in Virginia.

[SPEAKER_12]: has contacted Mondani and given his, he's like, I'll be here as a sounding board for you at any time.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, that's the news report.

[SPEAKER_12]: But there's no, yes, go vote for Mondani, no support for him.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's so weak.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's so weak.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's so unprincipled.

[SPEAKER_13]: There's no conviction whatsoever.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's just whatever is not Republican.

[SPEAKER_12]: I'll just, what kind of, is he simply Obama, because remember during the election, he had this to say about Kamala Harris.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I remember if we talk all those, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: As for a second, let's speak to y'all, the community is that we had not yet seen the same kinds of energy and turn out.

[SPEAKER_02]: in all fours, I want to enable it to get me as a result, but I was right now, I also want to say that that C-speed won't pronounce with the bruv.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you don't mind, just for a second, I'm going to speak to y'all, I'm ready.

[SPEAKER_12]: So I'm not going to play the whole clip here because we all remember this.

[SPEAKER_12]: But this is when he goes in.

[SPEAKER_12]: He schools these black men for not voting for Kamala Harris.

[SPEAKER_12]: Meanwhile, you have the first black female governor of a Southern former Confederate state, okay, Virginia, who could potentially be go to the first female governor, the first female black woman.

[SPEAKER_13]: And the NAACP endorsed Spanberger, and you got Barack Obama saying nothing, and I'm like, well, of course, it's 2025 because none of it makes sense.

[SPEAKER_13]: None of it.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's not consistent.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's not coherent.

[SPEAKER_13]: It is everything down party line and never even conceding that it might be a possibility.

[SPEAKER_13]: that this runs counter to our narrative or this runs counter to reality.

[SPEAKER_13]: We just have to stick with the narrative all the time.

[SPEAKER_13]: And, you know, I feel bad for when some serious in that regard.

[SPEAKER_12]: She's, well, also, I mean, not to let the Republicans off to hook either or Trump off the hook, but he didn't campaign or endorse when some serious, you know, until the last minute until they realized, oh, dang, this is going to happen.

[SPEAKER_13]: And Spanberger is going to be our option.

[SPEAKER_13]: And then they kind of came out and he said on Air Force One or something, you know, like, yeah, I, [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, if you saw Obama coming out to Virginia for Spamberger, they're all in, but it's also interesting that if you were to look back at all this, the fact that they had to pull Barack Obama into campaign for them after he didn't pull it for Kamala Harris now.

[SPEAKER_12]: after nobody's asking for Kamala Harris to come out and speak for them.

[SPEAKER_12]: Nobody wants nothing to do with the Biden to come out and speak for them.

[SPEAKER_12]: Obviously the Clintons, like nobody wants them and it's like the only person that maybe might bring people out to vote, which I actually even question if Obama really brings anybody out of significance to vote, especially like if you're going for a younger voter.

[SPEAKER_13]: The groups that came out for Spanberger when Obama was speaking were [SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, it's all blue up here in Northern Virginia.

[SPEAKER_13]: That's where he was.

[SPEAKER_13]: I think it was Alexandria.

[SPEAKER_13]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_13]: But it's all blue.

[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, I just think it's just like that's the only leader that they could come out to like, what they didn't say.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's not like they even split anything up.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's like, let's send Kamala to Virginia.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, it's just why I'm coming to everything.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, it's because they have a deep edge for hopefuls, what they hope are hopefuls for 2020, but they have no one leading the party.

[SPEAKER_13]: No one's asking the team Jeffries to come to anything or Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, they have no leadership.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, I'm not even AOC because AOCs too.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, she was with Bondoni.

[SPEAKER_12]: Socialists.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but not I mean, that's I now.

[SPEAKER_12]: The whole other thing.

[SPEAKER_12]: Like, I mean, notice that the only person that went and stumped for Mondani, that was Democrat, like a traditional Democrat was Kathy Holtz, because she's the governor of the state.

[SPEAKER_13]: She had to, and it was very, and even in post rally interviews, she's been like herself.

[SPEAKER_13]: No, he's not going to be able to raise taxes or lower taxes, this is not happening.

[SPEAKER_13]: So, you know, [SPEAKER_13]: So yeah, I agree with you.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's going to be a rough night.

[SPEAKER_12]: It's going to be a rough night.

[SPEAKER_13]: But I have my cheeses.

[SPEAKER_13]: Do you want me to tell you that we also have a sandwich bar?

[SPEAKER_13]: I bought hogey rolls.

[SPEAKER_13]: I love and ham bars and turkey and pepper tenies and all the things.

[SPEAKER_13]: So that's what we're doing for dinner.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm very excited.

[SPEAKER_12]: Well, before I wrap us up for today's episode, we would love to hear from you.

[SPEAKER_12]: How do you feel like it's gonna go this evening?

[SPEAKER_12]: How are we doing?

[SPEAKER_12]: I am just very curious, like, I will say this.

[SPEAKER_12]: Traditionally, Republicans do not, okay, if I'm gonna, let me, let me be a little bit of an optimist.

[SPEAKER_12]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_12]: Rachel is not convinced.

[SPEAKER_12]: Traditionally, Republicans do not do well in these off-season elections, right?

[SPEAKER_12]: We just don't, which is very annoying, but it's just a matter of fact.

[SPEAKER_12]: And I'm curious if what will happen is that the Democrats will try to spend this as a bell weather for the midterms get really riled up about like, this is this is a message.

[SPEAKER_12]: This is a message that is going to win us the midterms.

[SPEAKER_12]: double down on a lot of this nonsense and it doesn't necessarily translate.

[SPEAKER_12]: further out outside of these very blue areas of the country.

[SPEAKER_13]: But I think that's a problem though, because I don't think they have a cohesive message, which one are they going to go with?

[SPEAKER_13]: Mom Donnie's Communism or Spanburgers, like she doesn't have, she has no, she does not have a policy platform.

[SPEAKER_13]: It's just whatever Republicans are not.

[SPEAKER_13]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_13]: So I think that they're going to be stoked if they sweep tonight, because they're going to feel like they have some kind of momentum.

[SPEAKER_13]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_12]: You know, with Trump, it was, well, that's my thing is that I'm wondering if the win of this election will give them a false sense of confidence.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: That's really going to be sustainable for the midterms.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_12]: Also in that.

[SPEAKER_13]: vein, like the Republicans need to get it together together now.

[SPEAKER_13]: See, they all had the wind behind at their backs after Trump and they were right in high on the weekend.

[SPEAKER_13]: We just keep winning.

[SPEAKER_13]: We just keep winning.

[SPEAKER_13]: And then there are some stuff.

[SPEAKER_13]: You know, you've got Venezuela, ships blowing up.

[SPEAKER_13]: You've got tariffs.

[SPEAKER_13]: You've got the shutdown.

[SPEAKER_13]: You've got Trump.

[SPEAKER_13]: Same from [SPEAKER_13]: things start to slow a little bit.

[SPEAKER_13]: And if this doesn't go well tonight, which I don't think it's going to, they need to huddle up and get proactive in the next year.

[SPEAKER_13]: I mean, really proactive.

[SPEAKER_13]: And my one hope and proactive on the economy primarily, like I said, this is why I'm so wrong.

[SPEAKER_13]: Mondami is winning because he's telling people, I know your poor.

[SPEAKER_13]: And that's why I am on my phone all over again.

[SPEAKER_13]: Socialist Superman, who's going to come save you.

[SPEAKER_13]: But I, my one hope is I don't think it's going to go well tonight for Republicans.

[SPEAKER_13]: My one hope is that in Virginia.

[SPEAKER_13]: fine.

[SPEAKER_13]: If Spanberger has to win, and that's what's going to happen.

[SPEAKER_13]: Fine.

[SPEAKER_13]: But I am hoping there are some split ticket Democrats who can [SPEAKER_13]: Handle span burgers, whatever.

[SPEAKER_13]: She doesn't even, whatever.

[SPEAKER_13]: But they, and her lovely personality, well, the fact she doesn't even answer questions, fine.

[SPEAKER_13]: But I hope that they can split ticket and at least go all vote for span burger, but Jay Jones is a bridge too far.

[SPEAKER_13]: And that would make me have just a little bit of hope in humanity.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, the Jay Jones did make it into office because that's just unex, it's so beyond the pale.

[SPEAKER_13]: Virginia Democrats get it together.

[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, but unfortunately, I want to tell you this, like, if any way is paying attention to this debate, this Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes thing, they're gonna be like, see, they are Nazis.

[SPEAKER_12]: We need to be like, so Jay Jones, he's not that bad.

[SPEAKER_12]: We need to like, you know, of course you want to like murder horrible people.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, you don't even know.

[SPEAKER_13]: Which is why things you do have consequences.

[SPEAKER_13]: And when you bring on someone like that and sit there and let him rebrand himself [SPEAKER_13]: I don't know, with no push back, things happen.

[SPEAKER_13]: So I don't know, well, I guess we'll find out.

[SPEAKER_13]: I guess follow us on Instagram.

[SPEAKER_13]: We're going to be, you know, sharing all the results.

[SPEAKER_13]: And especially Rachel will be eating our feelings together this episode.

[SPEAKER_13]: Well, and they don't, their elections are so mean to me because the, there's a link that's coming out, I am attacked personally.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm attacked by them because it's an assault on my energy.

[SPEAKER_13]: These are because a lot of work.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, stuff doesn't even, we don't even get results to like 8 or 9 or 10.

[SPEAKER_13]: And by then, I've been up since 5 30 because we went and voted at 6.

[SPEAKER_13]: I'm exhausted.

[SPEAKER_13]: So I don't, I don't.

[SPEAKER_13]: Yeah, I've been falling asleep like I've turned into Rachel I am now going to bed at five o'clock in the afternoon since I started going to the gym at 30 in the morning I mean I went to bed before President Trump was called it was called in the 2024 I went to bed at 12 30 because I was and I guess at my house I was like a night I'm going to bed and I woke up and walked in the back room and Sean looks me's like it happened he's the president I was like okay I didn't even sleep now I'm going to sleep I'm going back sleep [SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, all right friends.

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