[SPEAKER_04]: He is currently a progressive hero darling and is expected to flip the seat.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like that, this is really who they're putting all of their progressives are putting all their chips behind, except this week a cache of his deleted Reddit posts have to know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, this can't be good, can't be good.

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[SPEAKER_04]: You look nice today.

[SPEAKER_04]: It, I washed my hair.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I had a little bit of a run around this morning.

[SPEAKER_04]: I even think I was going to get here on time, but no, no, no, tell the people, tell the people why you could have possibly been late.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Your tone is making me feel like you are judging me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I am.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so I don't, are you familiar with Azure standard?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, if if you're unfamiliar with Azure standard, it is online grocery store that is, you know, you can buy in bulk organic everything like that and there is somebody in your town that coordinates the delivery and this massive truck comes at the most inconvenient time of the day where everybody goes meets unloads the truck gets for stuff and goes home well.

[SPEAKER_04]: My truck was arriving at 1115 and it's like about a 20 25 minute drive away.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't think I was going to be able to pick it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to try and get the coordinator to hold my stuff until I can go and pick it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then I remember that I ordered like five pounds of European butter.

[SPEAKER_04]: What's the brand not sit in her of European salted butter, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like the best butter, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: What's it on?

[SPEAKER_04]: It's uh, I forget that brand.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's a European salted butter.

[SPEAKER_04]: It starts with our room romantic romano or something that r u m a I can't remember.

[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter.

[SPEAKER_04]: That sounds like fun though.

[SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I couldn't leave, and she was like, I can hold it on.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can hold it for you, but it's going to sit in the trunk of my car because I can't go straight home.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, well, I can't have how much do you pay for five how many how much is five pounds better.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't remember off the top of my head right now, but I do know that I did a price comparison to buying at the store, right, and this is like it's I'm not spending more, but I'm getting better butter.

[SPEAKER_04]: Carigold, which is what our family uses because the girls are obsessive.

[SPEAKER_04]: Carigold is like I would buy from here.

[SPEAKER_04]: So like the Carigold's here and this is like gold standard up here or is it like I would I would say it's definitely comparable and I think you're getting a better price for it.

[SPEAKER_04]: If I remember correctly because I did all of this math like yeah I don't know like a six months ago or something like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when you heard it here, she cares more about her butter than being on time for a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If it was cheese, I would be like, oh, we're gonna have to record tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_04]: What are we talking about today?

[SPEAKER_04]: I am giving Rachel an update kind of like a rundown because I sent her this I actually pulled this outline together kind of last minute sent it to her last minute so this is going to be like a storytelling session storytelling reaction all right so what are we going to talk about today.

[SPEAKER_04]: have no idea.

[SPEAKER_04]: You have no idea, literally.

[SPEAKER_04]: There seems to be a recent uptick when it comes to Nazis, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: Just Nazi debate, Nazi relation, Nazi sympathizing, and a new player has entered the chat.

[SPEAKER_04]: And his name is Graham Platner.

[SPEAKER_04]: I always, I'm trying to like, it's Platner, okay?

[SPEAKER_04]: He is a 41 year old Marine combat veteran and oyster farmer that is running for US Senate in May.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oysters.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know he's coming down.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know you're gonna get excited.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if he was like also did vodka martinis, you would be like, hello.

[SPEAKER_04]: And if he was a Republican, it would be like, well, he is not.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is a Democrat and he's running in the primary [SPEAKER_04]: He's running for the Democrat primary and the current senator of the state of Maine is Susan Collins, who is a Republican, like, kind of like Republican, Republican, like, a legal Lisa McCowski Republican, correct right now word on the street is that Janet Mills, the governor of Maine.

[SPEAKER_04]: who her term has coming up and she is extended or turned or not extended, but she's met her term limits will be entering the race.

[SPEAKER_04]: She has an officially announced, but she'll be entering the race, which means that she'll be up against Platner.

[SPEAKER_04]: So ever since that little rumor has started, all of these little goodies have started to make their way into the news outlets.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now to give [SPEAKER_04]: grass roots like this is he has a Bernie Sanders endorsement.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is currently a progressive hero darling and is expected to flip the seat like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is really who they're putting all of their progressives are putting all their chips behind.

[SPEAKER_04]: except except this week a cash of his deleted reddit posts have snow.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: This can't be good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can't be good.

[SPEAKER_04]: Reddit's never a good place to go into.

[SPEAKER_04]: Reddit's signal apparently.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, just none of them are good.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just no business basis.

[SPEAKER_04]: But so they surf at these post [SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, the reddit was an anti work reddit, which is a communist reddit, socialist communist, it's like the point being that they're anti work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the comments he has anti work.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is anti work.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is anti work.

[SPEAKER_04]: What does that mean?

[SPEAKER_04]: So the idea, so the reddit anti-work is this idea of like they don't feel like they should have to work for, it's anti-capitalist ultimately is what it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody really feels like they have, or they should have to.

[SPEAKER_04]: But you know, the anti-capitalist mentality of like, I don't want to work for my entire life and you know, I want to go and do art and just have my tool and all that kind of stuff.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's fun.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[UNKNOWN]: Bye.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so unrealistic people, unrealistic people and I think like it not I think but in that thread when it like for example somebody said usually when people get older they become more conservative and he replied, I got older and became more of a communist.

[SPEAKER_04]: He also described himself as a vegetable growing psychedelic taking socialist and then he said after the war, I pretty much stop believing in any of the patriotic nonsense.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'll remind her he was a marine he served in I believe, Feluja if I'm not mistaken as a machine gunman.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he saw some pretty vitally, so he's basically like mom Donnie, but with some military service.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think so.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's definitely progressive because as we go on, I mean, yeah, he said he was a communist and socialist and a psychedelic lover by the way, drug user, the same, but he's also said that cops are bastards when replaced, yes, and then also he said F these cops.

[SPEAKER_04]: He also in regards to Trump voters in rule America rule white America living this is a quote living in white rule America.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm afraid to tell you they actually are racist and stupid.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he's perfect for Maine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Come on.

[SPEAKER_04]: What is the addition to that?

[SPEAKER_04]: These were all around 2020, 2021 era.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, four years ago, I can remember like meals I had and outfits I wore.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is not that far in the past.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like he's really never formed.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, but four years, it's not.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a huge span of two.

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, in 2013, which was, I think maybe a year after he got out of the military, he was in another thread where he dismissed sexual assault reports.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he basically made comments that was very victim blaming, basically saying, like, maybe women shouldn't let them, like, but shouldn't get drunk and put themselves in vulnerable positions.

[SPEAKER_04]: That they're, I mean, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, no, the point being is that I'm setting up, I mean, you're looking at it from your mindset.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm setting it up from the progressive mindset.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's saying all the wrong things for them to, for him to be a shining beacon of hope for the Democrat party that is currently flailing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is that what you're saying?

[SPEAKER_04]: Pretty much.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So did he get worse did it get worse.

[SPEAKER_04]: Whoa.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, it's going.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not even.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just like skimming the cream like the just the top.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So then these comments come out right.

[SPEAKER_04]: And mind you.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had deleted all of this before he started to run for Senate.

[SPEAKER_04]: So somebody knew about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You knew it was there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_04]: He knew it was there.

[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody knew about it and they leaked it to CNN, the K files.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then the K files went and dug it up and is the one who initially reported on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Once it came out, I have a little, he did like a four and a half minute video apologizing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, I'm not going to subject you to the entire four minutes, but here we thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: A little segment.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hey, oh, it's Graham here.

[SPEAKER_07]: As you've probably seen, there's a story that's broken about comments I made on Reddit in an earlier part of my life.

[SPEAKER_07]: As I read through them, I read things that I absolutely do not agree with.

[SPEAKER_07]: When I got back from Afghanistan in 2011, I stayed in the army for another year.

[SPEAKER_07]: I got out in 2012.

[SPEAKER_07]: Some of the worst comments I made, the things that I think are least defensible, but I wouldn't even try to defend, come from that time.

[SPEAKER_07]: The infantry was a very male-dominated place.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's a very masculine world.

[SPEAKER_07]: When I was in, women weren't allowed in the infantry.

[SPEAKER_07]: It left me feeling very unmoored.

[SPEAKER_07]: It left me feeling very disillusioned, very alienated and very isolated.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think like a lot of people, I went on the internet to post stupid things and get in fights and find some form of community in some way, some outlet for my feelings, for my rage, for my isolation.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm sorry for this.

[SPEAKER_07]: Just know that it's not reflective at all of who I am.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't want you to judge me on the dumbest thing I ever wrote in the Internet.

[SPEAKER_07]: I would prefer people who judge me on the person I am today.

[SPEAKER_03]: Um, okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: So no, he is blaming the military.

[SPEAKER_04]: If I needed to explain that to anybody else, first of all, the military doesn't make you go on the internet and say many things over a 10 year time span.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, he tried at the beginning to, he tried at the beginning to kind of say that the worst of it was at the earliest part, you know, [SPEAKER_04]: That's just because this range is from 2012 to 2022 almost like early into 2022.

[SPEAKER_04]: So no, sorry, it's not and you didn't just say like one or two stupid things.

[SPEAKER_04]: You categorize yourself as all of the things that you are to explain, which should disqualify you from [SPEAKER_04]: political office in America, because we're not communists.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not socialist.

[SPEAKER_04]: You'd probably think that many of the people that you're dealing with when you're going to be in Congress are stupid, because they come from middle America and their Republicans, and you're dismissing accusations of whatever physical violence.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this shouldn't even have to be said.

[SPEAKER_04]: And also with the whole conversation going around about [SPEAKER_04]: J.

Jones and then we're gonna get into that the lefty outrage over the young Republicans.

[SPEAKER_04]: You, oh, text rat, okay, go ahead, sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: Save that because I haven't even touched the worst of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: You really have not seen the story yet?

[SPEAKER_04]: Listen, I was trying to, I could multi-task to a degree, but I had a child that needed help in algebra and a child crying to get to eat vegetables.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're in a phase.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then, [SPEAKER_04]: a house kitty litter house and used to be clean a cat the barft I mean I'm trying I'm I'm just trying I'm not judging you I just want to make sure that you're not pulling my chain I can't believe I missed it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean I can't believe I missed it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's only going to get better.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the same did this all happen in the last 24 hours.

[SPEAKER_04]: This is literally happened in the last like [SPEAKER_04]: 48 hours or so.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's say.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_03]: I did find a good television show and I watched an episode.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's where the time went.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's where your time went.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So the same week that those reddit posts come out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Another story of planter emerges.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, that he has a skull and cross bones.

[SPEAKER_04]: He describes it as a skull and cross bones tattoo on his chest.

[SPEAKER_04]: That way.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to air quote that closely, closely, that glossy resembles the Nazi toten cough, which is the deathhead symbol used by Hitler's SS, particularly specifically the unit that guarded the concentration camps.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, when did he get this?

[SPEAKER_04]: You're just way too excited.

[SPEAKER_04]: You need to come down.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, this is something.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he claims that he got the tattoo in 2017.

[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, you know what?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm gonna go ahead and share it for you because when this story started to bubble up, he attempted to get ahead of it and went on the PODS SAVE America, PODCAS, to explain it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's going to make it worse.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's going to make it all starts, which I haven't included in this clip.

[SPEAKER_04]: So to set it out for you, this all first started to bubble up because a video was posted.

[SPEAKER_04]: Apparently his sister-in-law, if I'm not mistaken, it was like a anniversary.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was her anniversary and apparently at their wedding, Plattener, [SPEAKER_04]: Graham Platner, okay, saying at the wedding in his skivies, like was no shirt on wrecking ball or something like that to embarrass himself so she posted the video and the video shows his chest bear and you can see the tattoo and then it was identified where someone was like well wait a minute that kind of looks like.

[SPEAKER_04]: what yeah go ahead.

[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like any man that strips down and sings a miley Cyrus song at a wedding is automatically disqualified from serving in office and I'm not even kidding.

[SPEAKER_04]: Please don't do that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: This I'm glad that we're going deep here on this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Come on.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's something.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: I suppose it does.

[SPEAKER_04]: But Platner goes on the pod save America podcast to kind of get ahead of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he is reacting to the playing of that video.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: I've been told that some of your political opponents are telling reporters that that tattoo has a Nazi affiliation and I would like to know, is that accurate?

[SPEAKER_06]: Are you a secret Nazi?

[SPEAKER_07]: I am not a secret Nazi.

[SPEAKER_07]: Actually, if you read through my Reddit comments, I think you can pretty much figure out where I stand on Nazism and anti-Semitism and racism in general.

[SPEAKER_07]: I would say a [SPEAKER_07]: And it was my third deployment.

[SPEAKER_07]: My previous two had been to Fallujah and then Remadi, 2006.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we want to show our split Croatia, myself, and a few of the other machine gun squad leaders.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we got very inebriated.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we did what Marines on Liberty do.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we decided to go get a tattoo.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we went to a tattoo parlour in Split Croatia.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we chose a terrifying looking skull and crossbones [SPEAKER_07]: We were Marines and you know, skulls and crossbones are pretty standard military military thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we got those tattoos.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then we all moved on with our lives.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's this explanation for the tattoo.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have an image here of the this is a post where it has his and then the image next to it is what's this is post to represent.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, mind you, I just want to remind you that when you take success had to make some cross.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, where everybody was saying was a Nazi symbol.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now they're just kind of like, oh, you mean a literal Nazi symbol?

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not talk about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: They had that in the news cycle about headset for weeks like weeks and also interesting too like they really majored on his, you know, alcohol intake with headset and this guy's like, yeah, we just got.

[SPEAKER_04]: leaf-faced and went and got tattoos, because you know, that's what we do.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, well, that was very awesome.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was only seven years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: Is that what he's invited to understand it was 2017, 2017?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's a recent thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: This isn't like, this is, he did he say 2017.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I have it.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, 2007, correct.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, that's not right.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's not right.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was in Croatian 2007.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't 2017.

[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so there was 18 years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: However, my, okay, so this is one of the things I'm very curious about, and he says, I went on leave with other marines and we got these tattoos.

[SPEAKER_04]: where are they?

[SPEAKER_04]: They all get it to correct.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm very curious as to, is that story true?

[SPEAKER_04]: Who are the other Marines that were with him?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are they going to validate his story?

[SPEAKER_04]: Are they going to agree that maybe none of them knew?

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yes, is it possible that you're on leave in a foreign country?

[SPEAKER_04]: And you're, I don't know, a drunk Marine that just goes to pick something.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have now, I don't know about you.

[SPEAKER_04]: You might be a history, you might be knowledgeable about it, but I would, if I saw that, I wouldn't have an immediate, any immediate knowledge of what that represents.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like if I were to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could definitely give them the benefit of the doubt for the tattoo.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I don't like the way he's categorizing it, though.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have people I know, friends that were Marines, are Marines, and [SPEAKER_04]: not all of them just sit around and get drunk all the time like he makes it sound like this is just hard for the course we serve we shoot machine guns and then we just go get like black out drunk and tattoo our bodies that's what Marines do no big deal and I'm like oh okay like [SPEAKER_04]: Like, he didn't have to care about it, too.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had, well, it was military, yeah, the military is all for everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, and you also made sure to point out in that first video, you know, it's the machismo, it's the all men, no women, the military's bad, because it's a warrior, hero complex, hexes, the worst, it's, you know, I don't know, it's so predictable and I do not like that we have to care about this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, well, so he claims that he didn't even know that where he hasn't known for the last like 18 years, what it was, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: He never got curious like, okay, to have to right here.

[SPEAKER_04]: Why didn't you ever just like think about finding out maybe what it was?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there is a report that came out in the, I think it was Jewish insider.

[SPEAKER_04]: And now, [SPEAKER_04]: there's an attack of it's like this one report it's a Zionist publication and I'm talking about this is how the progressive left is framing it and it wasn't anonymous source but it says that a former acquaintance told the Jewish insider that planter was at a DC bar in 2012 and that he took his shirt off and he specifically pointed to the tattoo and called it his [SPEAKER_04]: And it kind of like cutesy, joky way, like this is my top and call.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he's drunk again at a bar and he's like, this was like 13 years ago, just like at my least Iris wedding show.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is why he was at GW on a like he was going to GW on a GI bill.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[UNKNOWN]: Now.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, it should be worth mentioning that his political director resigned once the Reddit texts or Reddit messages came out.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then he went on to the podcast, tried to get ahead of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she decided that she was not having it was not happy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she posted on Facebook publicly saying he is not an idiot.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's a military history buff.

[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe he didn't know it when he got it, but he got it years ago, and he should have had it covered up because he knows dang well what it means.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so she resigned.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that was, which I was just going to say there's only two reasons, there's only two reasons she would resign either she knows they're going to lose or she knows that this guy is not what he's saying it he is either I mean, and probably it's because she knows he's not what he's saying he is so it's actually interesting that you say that because I was watching today the podcast raging moderates with Jessica Tarlov.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she had on Dan Froome, I think, from the Atlantic.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, David Froome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, David Froome.

[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: And they specifically were talking about this because he was like, so right now, if you go on X, there's a whole bunch of progressives.

[SPEAKER_04]: that are defending him.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're like saying, you know, he was in the military.

[SPEAKER_04]: He had PTSD.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's a good guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: We need to be forgiving.

[SPEAKER_04]: And all of a sudden, like, the progresses need to be forgiving.

[SPEAKER_04]: Remember, like, we're none of the more for Hagseth.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was in the military.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they said he was not going to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like, I don't, okay, anyways, go ahead.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even know I said it out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they need to be forgiving and he's pointing out that he would when I'm talking when I say he I'm talking about a from he said during the podcast he was like, Look, I might be more willing to listen to his story and be forgiving of him if he had gotten ahead of this like Obama put out like an autobiography before he ran and put everything out.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even Bush when he had his alcoholism and things like that, he put everything out ahead of time, like he tried to get ahead of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Correct.

[SPEAKER_04]: Versus this guy was deleting his reddit post and then just like conveniently forgot to either had no idea that the tattoo that he had was a Nazi tattoo or just kind of conveniently hoped that he would never have to be [SPEAKER_04]: Like I have seen this dude's chest more times in the last 24 hours, and I care to see any potential Senate reput like Democrat ever.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like ever.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, which unfortunately we're all going to have to look at in a moment together.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm no.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now I'm nervous to even go back on Twitter like I'm going to see his man, his man movies.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he then after all of this, so he so far has apologized for his Reddit post.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's trying to explain the tattoo.

[SPEAKER_04]: And honestly, if I'm going to be completely honest, I would be more forgiving of the tattoo because of the story than the Reddit post and the [SPEAKER_04]: And I like if you just said, if he had said and was honest and said, I didn't know I was drunk.

[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know what I was getting.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was 18 years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was a stupid move.

[SPEAKER_04]: I regret it.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've even thought about getting it lasered off or whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had whatever.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the red epists are like, you not only said the things.

[SPEAKER_04]: but then you deleted the things because you know what you said and it was not that long ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yesterday I saw this morning that he did an interview with the local news last night where he announced a cover up of the tattoo and he showed it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did you show it?

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw his little man boobie.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have videos so you're lucky.

[SPEAKER_04]: You got saved from it, but it's like this weird like wolf tribe inning.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's hideous.

[SPEAKER_04]: It literally looks like he was desperate to get it covered up and so he's like, let's just let's just do this and hopefully it's not that big video.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can we just talk about how this is politics in 2025 now?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, this is where we're at, that we are having to discuss these types of things because these are the candidates we're being handed.

[SPEAKER_04]: I just feel like it is nothing could be more illustrative.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I am aware we're thinking about this because at the same time that this was all happening, [SPEAKER_04]: And on the Republican side, there was Paul Egrossia.

[SPEAKER_04]: Are you from familiar with the situation with Paul Egrossia?

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I am so pleased to tell you about that.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's basically ultimately kind of became nothing because of the way it was handled and resolved.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yes, we've already talked about the young Republican text threats, right, that was released by Politico.

[SPEAKER_04]: So then Politico gets their hands on some text messages that they leak of 30 year old, [SPEAKER_04]: And he's a Trump, he was a Trump nominee for the Office of Special Counsel.

[SPEAKER_04]: However, as soon as he, no, no, no, I heard about this.

[SPEAKER_04]: I heard like just a brief mention.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, more nonsense.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was more, it was more, it was more Nazi.

[SPEAKER_04]: He goes, he said something like, I have a Nazi streak in me.

[SPEAKER_04]: I admit it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Or he said that MLK day should be tossed into the seventh circle of hell.

[SPEAKER_04]: He also used racial slurs, which I think are much more problematic versus the one where he's like, I admit it because like how often.

[SPEAKER_04]: amongst conservatives literally joking around because you're always being blamed of being a racist.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, well, you know, I'm a racist or I guess I hate filling the blank minority person because you're just constantly being accused of it and in the context of the text thread, it's a joke.

[SPEAKER_04]: However, even within that text thread, he was making these jokes and he was actually being called out by other people in the text thread saying like honestly you really shouldn't be saying [SPEAKER_04]: And he doubled down.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Possibly, but he still doubled down.

[SPEAKER_04]: So within days of these texts surfacing, Republican pushed him out.

[SPEAKER_04]: They pulled his nomination.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, it remains to be seen whether he still holds his position as the White House liaison, as the Department of, I think it was Homeland Security.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's actually got that position in 2025, but, [SPEAKER_04]: As soon as this stuff dropped, you had other senators, which we're going to have to confirm him going like, no, we're going to, that's it.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're done and they because Republicans usually say get out of my party.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stop it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Democrats don't that's one of the things I was thinking about before I decided to do this is, you know, a lot of times I feel like what we're currently seeing are.

[SPEAKER_04]: two sides of the same coin, I maybe I'm using that and hopefully I'm using that analogy correctly.

[SPEAKER_04]: But they're very extreme in in different ways.

[SPEAKER_04]: So when we are talking about the situation with Trump and how Trump has restructured the Republican party and a lot of people seem as extreme and he doesn't apologize for anything and he moves on and he does this thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're trying to use that same strategy to me, the progressives are on the left.

[SPEAKER_04]: The issue for me is is that just like we saw on their social issues with the progressives, when we're talking about the trends issue, we're talking about race issues and police and everything like they go to the extreme, they go to like abolish the police, men need to be in women's sports, men are women if they say they're like they go to that extreme and I feel like what could potentially be happening here with the progressives is that [SPEAKER_04]: they're deciding like, we need to win the ends just to find the means no matter what.

[SPEAKER_04]: So so what if you said, in fact, I probably agree with some of those reddit posts that you said, but there, you know, maybe there are aggressive for the moderate and in Maine, but if you stand behind our guy, it's not going to be too big of a deal.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I feel like that's kind of like what's happening [SPEAKER_04]: a lot of people aren't aware, but there's these other very young, very progressive candidates that are trying to move into positions of either the state legislator or representative positions and the upcropping that is coming from the left that is being pulled further to the left.

[SPEAKER_04]: What's interesting is that on the right, we got pulled further, even though they don't want to admit it, it got pulled further to the center to the center further.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, then further to the [SPEAKER_04]: It's the left of just running in the opposite way running to the left and they're like we have to win so in a lot of connections correct a lot of the discussions that I was seeing on acts was like you know you guys are all trying to be purist and if you want like a normal person they're going to have some skeletons in their closet and we need to get over it and be I'm just kind of like.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow, that cone really, really changed all of a sudden.

[SPEAKER_04]: Very quickly.

[SPEAKER_04]: But just to wrap up plantener, that isn't the least of it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because as I was, wait, more, you're face, you're like, wait, there's more.

[SPEAKER_04]: So this morning, as I am scanning my feeds, I, [SPEAKER_04]: find an article in my feed from I believe it's the I think it was a sub-stack article and it's called the Robinson report and in this article right here says X-Marine Graham Platner taught military tactics recruited for socialist paramilitary group in Maine.

[SPEAKER_04]: And as we go down a little bit, it says this was a post in a reddit where people were inquiring about how to join this type of group or showing interest in this type of group.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it was under the handle P hustle.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now he is already confirmed.

[SPEAKER_04]: because there's past handles that that is his handle.

[SPEAKER_04]: That is him.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so he says, all we do in lots of is lots of range days, firearms education classes and developing mutual aid networks in our community.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just to put on a defensive hand, I just put on a defensive hand gun course two weeks ago and we do monthly introduction to firearm courses for new members as well as more advanced classes for experienced members.

[SPEAKER_04]: helps we have a significant amount of combat veterans and firearms instructors who have put together a solid curriculum to build proficiency among our membership.

[SPEAKER_04]: Hold on a second.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, mind you, this happened in about, I think it was like 2021.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, he was providing or 2020.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was providing a defensive handgun course, June of 2020, right after the George Floyd riots and the BLM protests.

[SPEAKER_04]: Huh, interesting.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so now these pictures that are in the article can't verify whether Graham is in any of the photos, even though the author of the article speculates that this guy under the umbrella with the red beard could be him, but all of the faces here are blurred out like you can identify anyone in this group.

[SPEAKER_04]: Now, to provide a few more details, if you're unfamiliar with a socialist rifle association, this is the same group that they have like actual multiple, what do you call it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like groups throughout the nation.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there's about like 10,000 members nationwide.

[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.

[SPEAKER_04]: Remember, [SPEAKER_04]: Charlie Kirk's assassin, he was either interested or a member or followed.

[SPEAKER_04]: I believe he followed the socialist rifle association of Utah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, they're seen as a far left paramilitary group.

[SPEAKER_04]: planter was very active.

[SPEAKER_04]: He even said we are quite active.

[SPEAKER_04]: He tried to recruit people over to the main group now main past the law in 2023 that prohibits unauthorized paramilitary training and it's a [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I'm all for the second amendment, obviously.

[SPEAKER_04]: And like, yeah, even socialist can like own a firearm and learn self defense.

[SPEAKER_04]: But the question is, you know, there's a difference between taking up, you know, I would have to work through the mindset here.

[SPEAKER_04]: But I think there's a difference between taking, I don't know, like learning how to a firearm course and taking a paramilitary, [SPEAKER_04]: group that's actively training for civil unrest that correct plan on participating in or provoking.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like I think that's pretty well, if even in this article, like if I were to share, let me share this, the article again, if we go through these images, it has some shots of like for example, this flag here is a like communist worker flag, but if I scroll down a little bit further, there's these pamphlets.

[SPEAKER_04]: And for example, like one of the pamphlets here is talking about burner phones in the modern age and how to use a burner phone to avoid, you know, tracking, tracking and that sort of thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: So it's clear that it's not just like, hey, come and learn to use your handgun or your AR-15 or whatever, there seems to be a much more organized attempt here.

[SPEAKER_04]: on how to.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the more more of us more man boobies.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, thank you.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, my gosh.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't, I can't unsee it now.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, so that is all of the plan, nerve story so far and [SPEAKER_04]: Even Bernie Sanders, he was on Axios last night.

[SPEAKER_04]: And we had to take him to task.

[SPEAKER_04]: What do you say?

[SPEAKER_04]: No.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he was actually with Alex Thompson, which I like.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, he co-wrote the book with Jake Tepper about Joe Brown.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, this is, he was asked about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is what he had to say.

[SPEAKER_00]: You said yesterday you are still supporting him.

[SPEAKER_00]: Why I'm not overly impressed by a squad of media running around saying what do you think about the tattoo?

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm grand flat is just between you and me that might be one or two more important issues, but let me go there.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not Graham's best friend.

[SPEAKER_00]: I met him several times we did rally in Portland, mainly great rally.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm impressed by the guy.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a guy who will tell you who has served what towards the duty with the United States military.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was in the middle of some heavy duty combat.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was a machine gunner, which moved down people, you know?

[SPEAKER_00]: He went through some very difficult experiences in the military.

[SPEAKER_00]: His machine gunner, seeing his friends killed.

[SPEAKER_00]: Came out of the military.

[SPEAKER_00]: He will acknowledge, I'm not telling you what he doesn't say.

[SPEAKER_00]: but he says he they rebuilt his life and he went in to give this.

[SPEAKER_04]: So you go on to explain to me, please stop yelling at me, Bernie.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stop yelling at me.

[SPEAKER_04]: You laugh the way he talks his cadence and is like, oh, he takes himself 1,000 percent seriously, which I appreciate about him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, he doesn't really care what you think.

[SPEAKER_04]: at all, and that was evidenced by his, um, out there, appearance of the inauguration, the inauguration, which will hang forever on my Christmas tree as a Christmas ornament.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: So, um, I just, they're just going to hang their hat on it being, his military service that did this.

[SPEAKER_04]: America did this to him and made him a socialist communist, whatever, Nazi guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't, [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and the right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm like I've been tracking this and I've been even listening to like on the morning meeting Mark Helper and Sean and Dan have been talking about this.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and right now what it is is that he is grassroots progressive and this started coming up when Janet Mills said that she was going to run if you guys don't remember who Janet Mills is she is governor of Maine and she had that blow out with the president.

[SPEAKER_04]: boys and girls sports and she was like, well, then take me to court when Trump called her out about it.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's Janet Mills.

[SPEAKER_04]: So she's not exactly like a wishy, washi Democrat either.

[SPEAKER_04]: But she's 70 years old and Plattener is 41.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's progressive.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Jonathan saying so right now, it's being portrayed as the New York establishment Democrat.

[SPEAKER_04]: versus the organic versus the grassroots.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that again, the Democrats are trying to take out the little guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: This guy grew up in an affluent family went to GW.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he was served in the military and experience some horrible things, but he was he's not a JD Vance.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, but today it's mom Donnie.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's mom Donnie different state different skin color.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is mom Donnie.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's all it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's going to get a free pass.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, probably going to get elected.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's just it.

[SPEAKER_04]: And the people who are supporting that are the same people that are supporting Jay Jones.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're supporting him by not calling on him to drop out and they're the same people mad at some texts.

[SPEAKER_04]: that were colorful and inappropriate and wrong that lost.

[SPEAKER_04]: a bunch of people their job because Republicans actually, I think, care about the things and they hold their party to account more often times than not and Democrats don't.

[SPEAKER_04]: So actually speaking of, like, because Bernie said, I don't really, I'm annoyed basically of being asked about this tattoo.

[SPEAKER_04]: You shouldn't be annoyed.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's the whole point.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like we should be asking questions about the people we're electing.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's why we're in the place we're in in so many regions of our country.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well Abigail, Spanberger, would she get out about?

[SPEAKER_04]: No, but she was asked about Jay Jones again on Lady Curric, and this is actually really funny, and this is why I'm playing it.

[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm being very honest, we are three weeks away from an election in Virginia.

[SPEAKER_02]: I have worked tirelessly for two years running for this office.

[SPEAKER_02]: I announced in November 2023.

[SPEAKER_02]: the fact that I, and I say this with all due respect because, you know, I think it's a fair thing for you to ask about the fact that I have to spend even a moment's time talking about somebody else's text messages from years ago rather than what I want to do as governor is something that I am deeply unhappy about.

[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that I can't spend every minute of the day, [SPEAKER_02]: talking about the plans that I have built out, you know, I mean, not to be too hokey about it, but like my multiple pages of plans, my affordability plan, my education plan, my growing our economy plan, because of the, you know, poor choices of another candidate, it is something that really clouds my view of all of it.

[SPEAKER_02]: And what?

[SPEAKER_04]: So she's upset.

[SPEAKER_04]: She's upset that she's being she's not just upset that is a bitter angry lady.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's what that is.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she could spend every minute of every single interview talking about her horrible plan for my state.

[SPEAKER_04]: And she, she would be able to do that, but she won't be able to do that because she won't do the simplest thing, which is to say, he shouldn't have sent those texts and I think he should draw by the race.

[SPEAKER_04]: It would have been done like weeks ago, but she refused to do it.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's her own fault.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've noticed there is this new strategy that is coming out from the Democrats where they're like, well, I think it's up for the state of Virginia to decide.

[SPEAKER_04]: Or I think it's up for the state of Maryland, not Maryland, of Maine to decide.

[SPEAKER_04]: So now it's become like, we are not responsible.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not going to overstep the right of the people to vote.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, or like, it's up to you guys to decide.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I could tell you a lot of times that everybody had to talk about every Republican that did something pervy.

[SPEAKER_04]: And then every, it's a national conversation.

[SPEAKER_04]: But if it's a Democrat, then it's like, let the state, let it be up to state to decide.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's actually the amount of times, especially recently, like when we're talking about the text messages and everything, that any time, any Republican of any level, or even an influence or anyone that has just the smallest bit of affiliation with conservatism or being a Republican does something wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: So naturally, yes, and every Republican is asked by the media, do you denounce it?

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you denounce it?

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, let's not I know you get I know you need to ask it's okay, but you have to ask, but I don't really want to talk about this or let the state decide and it just blows my mind that I don't know 24 hours ago, if you use the wrong pronoun, you were immediately like not qualified if you acknowledge the fact that men can't be women and now all of a sudden it's like, oh, you hate cops in your communist or socialist sympathizer and you have a Nazi tattoo.

[SPEAKER_04]: Come on over.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not.

[SPEAKER_04]: Let's not be too upset about people's past.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and just honestly as a person who pays attention to body language, I don't even think Katie Curric was satisfied with that answer or even she was like this [SPEAKER_04]: This is what politicians do.

[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to be working hand in hand with this guy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Of course, you're supposed to be answering these questions.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Kate Kirk's like, then just answer the question already.

[SPEAKER_04]: You could be done.

[SPEAKER_04]: I tell my kids when they're like avoiding doing something they don't want to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, you want to know how much time we've wasted when you could have just done the thing and you'd be done with it.

[SPEAKER_04]: She should have done the thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: But she's locked for it.

[SPEAKER_00]: What?

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's long.

[SPEAKER_04]: The whole situation with Jay Jones.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it is not getting better.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, because now apparently he had been caught a reckless driving like no, said, like almost 115 miles per hour.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he was supposed to do community service for that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Can he do it in service of like a super pack or something?

[SPEAKER_04]: It is super pack.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was like, oh, yeah, I'll do community service.

[SPEAKER_04]: and put that off his community service.

[SPEAKER_04]: So not only is he like, you know, flippantly like, oh, let's kill my political opponent and their children, but also he's going to be attorney general top cop of the state of Virginia and he's like reckless driving community service murdering children.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know.

[SPEAKER_04]: It is it is actually startling, but I think because so many of these things have become very, very normal.

[SPEAKER_04]: We just talk about it like it's a joke because it is a joke to Democrats truly.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't when I say two Democrats oftentimes in my mind, I am thinking of the Democrat ruling class like politicians, people who make the decisions, but the farther and farther we go along in the more and more I dialogue and listen to people talk and just say the things [SPEAKER_04]: It's a lot of rank-and-file, normal Democrats, lot of just normal citizens who are have imbibed all of this rhetoric, all of this belief system and this ideology for so long that now it's becoming like normal and okay with them.

[SPEAKER_04]: I had someone jump in my comments the other day when I was talking about yesterday, when we were discussing or when I was discussing and sharing about these ice rates and how this one guy stands up with a microphone [SPEAKER_04]: and he's like shoot the week on guns too.

[SPEAKER_04]: We got guns too.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, this is another guy yesterday.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: You'd be better with my dice that they're not the only ones.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and then it comes out that he's an educator.

[SPEAKER_04]: And so I'm posting this and I'm like, look, oh, look, again, someone in LA saying that don't forget, we got guns too.

[SPEAKER_04]: Come after us, ice.

[SPEAKER_04]: And someone said to me, they're like, I just think it's really sad that you only think that violence belongs on the left when really it's proportionate for the two.

[SPEAKER_04]: And violent rhetoric is basically proportional on both sides.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, you are living in a different, it's a different galaxy right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I used to think it just was reserved for politicians, but I'm seeing it more and more just [SPEAKER_04]: thinking that things like day Jones running is totally fine because this is just what politicians do like no that's not I mean I've been thinking about that a lot to I do think of course in order for these people to get to certain positions someone's going to have to vote for them so there are going to be like [SPEAKER_04]: who you would think are like average normal people that are going to share those ideas.

[SPEAKER_04]: The question is, you know, and I've talked about this with my husband multiple times.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's like levels of people, like there's people that are thinking that because they're being, again, we're having the issue of like the information that you're being fed, and specifically like the legacy media is not doing its job of dissecting the stories [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, evenly across the board for both because obviously our, you know, Republicans, [SPEAKER_04]: form of communication has definitely gotten more aggressive.

[SPEAKER_04]: Gone is the milk toast communication.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, me, Romney.

[SPEAKER_04]: We are not in some any longer.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, but rest.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, I'm not actually the administration.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, so I'm not going to be like, oh, but, but for me, the distinct difference is that I do not see a single.

[SPEAKER_04]: like average Republican or yeah, accepting condone or giving a pass to violence violently.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, absolutely, like I just, I just, that is happening more and more and more and more on the left.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that we're able to even talk about it a little more after the no kings rally just because even though everything, well, the rally was peaceful, the rally was peaceful.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that's fine.

[SPEAKER_04]: But that's not the point.

[SPEAKER_04]: The point is is that [SPEAKER_04]: the ability to talk about rage and violence against actual humans was so prolific through all the different protests.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's very normal and comfortable for many of the protesters to just be interested in fantasize about joke about [SPEAKER_04]: the killing of people you disagree with politically.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that you don't see it on the right.

[SPEAKER_04]: I people keep going like, well, what about the proud boys?

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, what about them?

[SPEAKER_04]: Republicans hate them.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, we just own them.

[SPEAKER_04]: We disavow them.

[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, you don't do that on your side often enough.

[SPEAKER_04]: I should say.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're saying Antifa is just an idea or like, it's not that big of a deal.

[SPEAKER_04]: I actually think, you know, tell that to border enforcement right now in Portland, [SPEAKER_04]: fireworks on a nightly basis, you know, and you have the Portland PD just like, hey, and out there, like, no big deal, actually collecting information to report.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's to report on border patrol and ice, not policing their, their citizenship, like, in Portland.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, it's just wild to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I just why I don't feel like it's the same.

[SPEAKER_04]: And specifically, I over the last, [SPEAKER_04]: like 24 hours have consumed a lot of Graham Platter content.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so you know, a lot of, I've seen a lot of Graham and I will tell you right now that he is talented.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is a very clear speaker.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is long-donging.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, and he's in a different package, but he has mon donny.

[SPEAKER_04]: He speaks to the concerns of people about affordability, about healthcare, about those basic needs, that everybody feels like they need to have met in order to feel safe and secure.

[SPEAKER_04]: He is in a [SPEAKER_04]: more tasteful package especially like four main.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I would not like I see a lot of like when I was listening to Dan for example on the morning meeting and I was listening to Jessica Tarlov on her podcast.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like they were just all kind of like a little bit like well I you know this is a really poor practice of opposition research like he should have disclosed as ahead of time his team should have been aware of it ahead of time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they're having a problem that it was found out they don't have a fundamental problem with his real much design.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because they are criticizing him for what he is a socialist and a communist, but and they think that is going that he's not going to win that he can't because of all this information they're saying that that the opposition or like his team drop the ball and his donors drop the ball to for not.

[SPEAKER_04]: correctly vetting him before putting him up because the likelihood is that he cannot win because of all this baggage that he has when his election on the same day because it November 4th as well.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think so I'm not sure exactly and he's still like we're talking about primaries.

[SPEAKER_04]: We're not even talking about he's not going up against Collins yet.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so this, this is still Democrat primary.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I told.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, time.

[SPEAKER_04]: He totally can win.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know why they're saying that.

[SPEAKER_04]: That's what everybody.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's Montani to point out everybody said that with Montami.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no way he can win.

[SPEAKER_04]: There's no way a socialist can win.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, okay, he's going to do.

[SPEAKER_04]: And against Susan Collins, are you thinking kidding me?

[SPEAKER_04]: Susan Collins, who's like 120 years old, has been in there forever.

[SPEAKER_04]: And like, absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: I think it is naive for people to think that the fact is that as the electorate is getting younger and more doesn't franchise.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're becoming, I think there was a poll the other day about, especially the younger you are, how much more open to socialist ideas that you are.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: So we're no longer in the same space, like the boomers are going to start to die off.

[SPEAKER_04]: Genics is a small, small generation, like we're one of the smallest generations.

[SPEAKER_04]: If we don't get the whole culture, the messaging, and acknowledge [SPEAKER_04]: I would tell people do not get overconfident that the Republicans are going to dominate.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do I think I think we're going to do okay for 2026?

[SPEAKER_04]: I like I just wouldn't I.

I don't think you're wrong.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think you're wrong and that's why I've been saying I'm sure you've heard me say this multiple times.

[SPEAKER_04]: So I swear [SPEAKER_04]: Republican needs to start using the talking point about housing prices as they're like one of their top issues.

[SPEAKER_04]: If they don't start talking about affordability and the American dream by way of being able to purchase an own land and property, they're going to miss a whole demographic because that is a valid concern for both men and women.

[SPEAKER_04]: that are rising.

[SPEAKER_04]: They don't feel like they can afford to get married.

[SPEAKER_04]: They can't afford to get kids have kids.

[SPEAKER_04]: And whether that's true or not, they are somehow inviting that message and Republicans need to hop on that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Just as much as they hop on national security, which they had to and the border and fentanyl use and all these different things that actually are huge issues.

[SPEAKER_04]: So is affordability.

[SPEAKER_04]: And that's what these mom donies.

[SPEAKER_04]: plural are talking about they're hitting a felt need with these people and saying you can't afford to even live a comfortable life look at all of these rich elites that are living and you can't even afford your you know weekly of a college message that Trump used that got him to win it's just from the other side with different policy much much worse.

[SPEAKER_04]: And Vance is a great candidate for that message.

[SPEAKER_04]: They need someone needs to be telling him.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure they are.

[SPEAKER_04]: They need to be telling him.

[SPEAKER_04]: You need to talk to the heart, the 20 year olds that you're going to lose that maybe energetic right now.

[SPEAKER_04]: But they get out of college and they're like, oh, dang.

[SPEAKER_04]: I can't even afford an apartment in a desirable neighborhood.

[SPEAKER_04]: So.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what Mondani and this guy are sound like they're doing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Really?

[SPEAKER_04]: And I just think it's really their line or not.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're lying about how they're going to go about giving these people this free housing, this affordable housing.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're lying, but they're doing it.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're doing the thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, did you, I saw a clip and I didn't watch too much of it, but you're kind of bringing that up of Mondani did another debate last night with Cuomo.

[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he was asked, like Cuomo went to town on him.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, her Cuomo came with a fire.

[SPEAKER_04]: He came with energy, like a fire in the belly.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, like, I don't know, a millennia too late.

[SPEAKER_04]: Right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and he, like, killed a bunch of grannies in the nursing homes.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, people don't forget that.

[SPEAKER_04]: People have COVID fatigue because a lot of governors did a lot of really, really shady things.

[SPEAKER_04]: And he was kind of, [SPEAKER_04]: Chief amongst them.

[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Mundani did get exposed during that debate of like his socialist ideas aren't really viable ideas, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, right.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he just smiled the whole time.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like it remains to be seen.

[SPEAKER_04]: The I my concern is that.

[SPEAKER_04]: like people or Republicans politicians are little too comfortable in the mindset of like a socialist could never win that they don't feel like what Cuomo felt like he didn't really feel that he needed to like lay into Mundani because he didn't take him seriously.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that was a huge mistake and I think the game situation could potentially happen with this guy up in Maine and you just need a little bit of a of a snowball to start to build and dealing with like what is that ball.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's Democrats see the Rondonic win relatively easily and this guy look if these guys can get elected especially this guy with his track record and all the things he's done and he can still win they're going to use it as a playbook obviously like why win bay is too easy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well and it doesn't help that Chuck Schumer's like on the quiet but he's against him and he's four Janet Mills who's like 70 years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: like this is not this is talking about kings like the no kings talk about kings all of these congressional members who are all 80 years old still and they're they're the real kings let me tell you yeah i mean it's wild so okay i want to go ahead and wrap us up with one last clip excellent which way does it gonna make me laugh or just be more sad at the state of our country i think it's gonna annoy you more but we get to like criticize someone that's fun to criticize [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, okay, so did you see Jen Sacky on the I've had it podcast with those two bitter Middle eight while I should say they're older than us.

[SPEAKER_04]: I hope they're older than us.

[SPEAKER_04]: because I got enough of sake during the Biden administration.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, she went on the podcast and she had some words to say about J.D.

[SPEAKER_04]: Vance and Ushavance.

[SPEAKER_04]: What?

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not Ushav.

[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, you get that out of your mouth.

[SPEAKER_04]: You stay away from Ushav.

[SPEAKER_04]: You stay away from Ushav.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the little mentoring candidate, JD Vance, wants to be president, more than anything else.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I always wonder what's going on in the mind of his wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Please bring blink four times.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll come over here.

[SPEAKER_01]: We'll save you.

[SPEAKER_01]: and that he's willing to do anything to get there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that your whole iteration, you just outlined, I mean, he's scarier in certain ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's smarter in some ways.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's young and ambitious and ambitious.

[SPEAKER_01]: And agile in the sense that he is a chameleon who makes himself into whatever he thinks the audience wants to hear from him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what's also true, though, is JD Vance, [SPEAKER_01]: is not he's in some ways goodish on paper if you like what he believes in.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I don't I don't know that he can take the whole movement with him.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I don't know either.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's no risk.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's got no risk.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got he just is a little odd.

[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and totally Trump's odd in a different way.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm skeptical of that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he's got to I mean the whole everything going on right now and I think we have to be very clear right about this is about trying to manipulate the public around elections and there's a lot there, right?

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know where to start.

[SPEAKER_04]: First of all, you're saying he doesn't have wrist, but you use the word wrist, and you're like 50.

[SPEAKER_04]: Stop that.

[SPEAKER_04]: Number one.

[SPEAKER_04]: Number two.

[SPEAKER_04]: The case our listeners are unaware.

[SPEAKER_04]: Riz is Gen Z talk for charisma.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Your fit, which is embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_04]: I know that, and that she used it.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, stop.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's bad enough that we have people in the way how sane your mom.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: I've been going to problem with that.

[SPEAKER_04]: You know, at least it's well, at least it's well placed.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, when when Polka's trying to be funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: They are when the Democrats are trying to be funny and relevant.

[SPEAKER_04]: They aren't.

[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a truth.

[SPEAKER_04]: The second thing is that's really gross to talk about ushevance like that because she is a demure quiet gentle.

[SPEAKER_04]: personality to act like vance is some big scary monster who's manipulating her abusing her her because that's what they're winking at.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just absolutely absolutely.

[SPEAKER_04]: It just for every time I hear one of these every time I hear one of these interviews from anybody on the left.

[SPEAKER_04]: it just rings so disingenuous because there is they just hate all of it and they don't know why it's just because it's not it's Trump they just hate it they can't they have such to stain it's like dripping off of them and it's if you have a good reason for disliking something which I feel like we do with Democrats we have genuine reasons why we dislike the movement [SPEAKER_04]: But that's, there's no substance to what they're saying.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're just like, I don't like vans.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's creepy.

[SPEAKER_04]: He gives me a five.

[SPEAKER_04]: I guess he's okay with paper.

[SPEAKER_04]: If you like that stuff, can't even define what that stuff is.

[SPEAKER_04]: Also, they say he's not going to be able to carry a movement.

[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to know how many people I have heard from who are like vans, vans, vans, 2028.

[SPEAKER_04]: Because he does kind of, he was, [SPEAKER_04]: he he so much of what old guard Republicans, I feel like kind of identify with where he rose from nothing and kind of made his way, whatever you think of his backstory, it's pretty remarkable that a kid who had an abusive mom and no dad around was raised by his mima and on gaterade or whatever it is.

[SPEAKER_04]: First whole life made it into an elite college served as military as now the vice president of the United States and is relatively young and funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: and smart and relatable, and yeah, and they carry it with the family.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just everything that they don't like, because it's the other team.

[SPEAKER_04]: And there's no real fundamental thing you don't like about him.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's just that he's in the Trump administration.

[SPEAKER_04]: And this is what so many of these interviews are like, and so they're pointless to me, because you're not saying anything original or substantial.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, what stood out to me is not only the attack on their marriage, which is like of course you have a table, like you have three liberal women there who are completely decide that because they don't approve of the politics of hurt like she cannot possibly ever share the same ideas or principle as her husband because that would be against her own interests.

[SPEAKER_04]: So therefore she must be under some kind of [SPEAKER_04]: threat or like she needs to.

[SPEAKER_04]: We get us like she needs our help because we as the liberal women no better we know women we know better and we know we must come to the rescue.

[SPEAKER_04]: So there's that which like irritates me to know in especially yeah as a curtain-servative female that is not exactly a wallflower.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's really something that irritates me but when I also thought [SPEAKER_04]: And he's almost scarier than Trump due to brother.

[SPEAKER_04]: Every look, they're saying that because of the, he is the era parent currently.

[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, it could be Murubio, it could be somebody else, anything can change.

[SPEAKER_04]: But as of right now, he is the era parent.

[SPEAKER_04]: He's the vice president.

[SPEAKER_04]: He was in Israel, like, it's his next.

[SPEAKER_04]: And I think of every past election that I have lived through.

[SPEAKER_04]: Mitt Romney's worsen bush.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.

[SPEAKER_04]: John McCain is worsen, but like it's always like the next one over is going to be worse than their predecessor, and it's they're already setting it up.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump is Hitler.

[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_04]: Trump is a fascist dictator who's basically Hitler, [SPEAKER_04]: But JD Vance, he's scarier, and he can be worse because he's smarter, it is never going to end.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's always going to be, and it will always be somebody attached to Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like even if Marco Rubio, who is clearly much more demure, if you're, I mean, if you want to word or subtle, a little more reserved than both of them, obviously.

[SPEAKER_04]: Even if he makes it an office, it's going to be like, well, he had a buddy in career when he was in the Senate, but then he sold out and became the State Department, and probably did a whole bunch of awful things.

[SPEAKER_04]: because he was in a line with Trump.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to hate no matter what.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to hate everything.

[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to hate it.

[SPEAKER_04]: None of them run.

[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a whole new crop of Republicans.

[SPEAKER_04]: Honestly, as I'm watching that, you know what I was thinking of also is these women spend their and have spent their entire life's careers.

[SPEAKER_04]: Every last week in our talking about feminism and supporting women and women's rights one way.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, because you couldn't possibly have a female who's like, yeah, I love conservatism and I love a strong man and who wants to lead our family in the country give me that and they would have said the exact same thing.

[SPEAKER_04]: They probably did about Charlie Kirk and then look, Erica comes along and she's like, you think that my husband was conservative.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's just like I said, it's all disingenuous.

[SPEAKER_04]: I have it's boring to me.

[SPEAKER_04]: It's boring predictable and boring.

[SPEAKER_04]: All right.

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm going to actually, I thought this was funny.

[SPEAKER_04]: So Bernie Sanders has a book out.

[SPEAKER_04]: You see, yelling in the book?

[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's not yelling in the book, but the book is called is basically, I think it's like fight the Allergarky and it's brand new.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: One of the things I'm doing.

[SPEAKER_04]: This super cut.

[SPEAKER_04]: I before like, we dip out of this episode is Bernie Sanders going back to like 1983.

[SPEAKER_00]: This great country of ours is moving very rapidly in the direction of Alagaki.

[SPEAKER_00]: The United States of America today is increasingly becoming an Alagaki.

[SPEAKER_00]: More and more moving toward an Alagaki we are moving in the direction of Alagaki.

[SPEAKER_00]: We will move even more rapidly in the direction of an Alagaki, this great country is evolving [SPEAKER_00]: society.

[SPEAKER_00]: It is called oligarchy and that is the system we are rapidly moving toward.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is a budget that moves our country rapidly into the direction of oligarchy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They handful of billionaires are moving this entire planet.

[SPEAKER_00]: toward an oligarchic society.

[SPEAKER_00]: Start over with the bad news, which is pretty bad.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that is that on the Donald Trump, this country is hurtling rapidly to an oligarchy.

[SPEAKER_04]: We have been traveling towards oligarche since I was 13 years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: I am 45.

[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a lot of Hurdling.

[SPEAKER_04]: Like, that was from the account maze.

[SPEAKER_04]: Did that super cut on X, which I thought was just so good.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was like, and he sounds.

[SPEAKER_04]: The same like 100% he's like 80 years old.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, and what was he like in his I don't know like 60s could be like in 1983 So that was 32 years.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's 93.

[SPEAKER_04]: It was 93.

[SPEAKER_04]: I saw 93.

[SPEAKER_04]: 32 years.

[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's 32 years ago.

[SPEAKER_04]: So he looked like he was about 60 then.

[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so I think he was like 50 probably in his 50s or something like that.

[SPEAKER_04]: But he's been saying that and sounding the same and now finally [SPEAKER_04]: from 93 to 225 he's finally got his book fight the oligarchy.

[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, still we're still fighting we're still fighting and we're hurtling towards it.

[SPEAKER_04]: But we're hurtling.

[SPEAKER_04]: early fast.

[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know when we'll get there, but not really fast at all, because it's been early for 33 years, but still.

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