[SPEAKER_06]: besides the Europeans, which that's, I mean, yeah, I don't even want to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't even want to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I really want to hear about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: The crown rule Europe is Disney.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's a poor Disneyland.

[SPEAKER_06]: They die from in summer.

[SPEAKER_06]: And all they can do is endless bureaucracy.

[SPEAKER_07]: If Europe is your leader, I can't fit up my table.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't.

[SPEAKER_06]: Europe.

[SPEAKER_07]: No need.

[SPEAKER_07]: Europe.

[SPEAKER_07]: But Lincoln, then I'll.

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[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Masady, and I'm here with my friend Amanda.

[SPEAKER_07]: Say hello, Amanda.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hi, thank you so much for having me.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, it was like, where's Rachel?

[SPEAKER_07]: So Rachel did me.

[SPEAKER_07]: Actually, she broke up with me.

[SPEAKER_07]: She's probably a little sitting to this episode right now as I'm going to complain about the fact that she is, I'm just teasing.

[SPEAKER_07]: She has been doing a retreat in Virginia and scheduling, [SPEAKER_07]: time management getting back home kids and stuff.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we I told her, you know, I take the day and I'm going to pick Amanda's brain because there's been some stuff happening online and there's a lot of input and discussion, especially when it comes to Gen Z younger Republicans just the youth in general.

[SPEAKER_07]: the youth.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I thought it would be good to typically Amanda joins us to talk about foreign policy, but I was like, I want to pick your brain as one of the youth youth is at least younger than me, significantly younger than me anyway.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not that young, but, but I think I say comparison.

[SPEAKER_06]: And you were like, and you're not old.

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[SPEAKER_06]: And we get it.

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[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so but before we get started, if this is your first time here, welcome, you have found your new favorite podcast.

[SPEAKER_07]: Make sure you hit that follow button, subscribe button, whatever button it is that you need to press to make sure that you keep in touch with us on whichever platform of your choosing podcast, YouTube, Substack, we're kind of all over the place right now, like strategically, okay?

[SPEAKER_07]: In the meantime, what are we going to talk about today?

[SPEAKER_07]: First of all, we have, how many days was it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Was it like 42, 43 days of a shutdown?

[SPEAKER_07]: Something along those lines?

[SPEAKER_07]: Right?

[SPEAKER_06]: I think I'm 42 or 43.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know exactly.

[SPEAKER_07]: I know yesterday the vote passed.

[SPEAKER_07]: The government is officially reopened for business.

[SPEAKER_07]: The president signed the bill.

[SPEAKER_07]: So we're good to go.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's been a lot of drama, of course, among the Democrats, which I thought was, I know this wasn't on, I didn't even discuss this when we first started, but I thought it was really interesting that they dominated and I'm air quoting the dominated one, these elections and blue states.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we're very excited when behind, you know.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then you know, you had to flip with the was eight Democrats that flipped.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think it was what was needed was eight.

[SPEAKER_07]: And that finally we got the now I don't want to go into a deep discussion about the shutdown.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I just thought what I think it's funny is like on basically Monday, we're awesome.

[SPEAKER_07]: And we've won and we're gonna take over.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then like 24 hours later, [SPEAKER_07]: there's a Democrats of a war and everything's like falling apart because of this continuing resolution and having the government shut down.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, and it's weird because they they were like the Republican shutdown, the Republican shutdown, and then [SPEAKER_06]: they crossed over to vote for the same thing, like the same CR as before with a guaranteed vote, not even passing on Obamacare subsidies, and now you're seeing the infighting.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm not clear what they think they were going to gain.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I don't, I don't think that they're clear on it.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't understand, like, [SPEAKER_06]: I don't understand why we on the right.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're just kind of like letting them get it like do their thing.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then we just kind of called it the Schumer shutdown a few times and didn't like drive our own messaging super clearly on that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I guess we're too focused on fighting about like Ben Shapiro versus Tucker Carlson or something.

[SPEAKER_06]: But I, [SPEAKER_06]: like, I don't know what they thought they were getting from it.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they know.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they're party.

[SPEAKER_06]: I wish we could focus more on trying to, it just seems like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: There's something that too, like the maga, like, as long as Trump's in power and Trump's in charge, he is kind of the seat of maga.

[SPEAKER_06]: His eye seems off the ball, though.

[SPEAKER_07]: Why was he going back to the democrat one of the things that I want to discuss to because while we had this whole democrat thing and now everybody's like the democrat war, which yes, I acknowledge I think is happening, you know, because the DSA and the, you know, the more progressively the parties trying to drag the rest of the party kicking and screaming.

[SPEAKER_07]: There's also been a lot of debate happening on the right in regards to the same thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's interesting because I watch the news on a quad, so I watch Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, and then also the BBC.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so I'm always watching the chirones, you know why I have it playing.

[SPEAKER_07]: just to see how everybody's covering everything.

[SPEAKER_07]: And while Fox News is talking about a Democrat civil war, you have MSNBC in CNN talking about a Republican civil war or civil war in the right.

[SPEAKER_07]: So like everybody's fighting.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now I want to be forward looking.

[SPEAKER_07]: and today's episode.

[SPEAKER_07]: And specifically, like, if you guys have been listening and following online, we know that they're, because Rachel and I did a whole discussion about the Tucker Wintes interview.

[SPEAKER_07]: And also what happened with the Heritage Foundation.

[SPEAKER_07]: And there's continued dialogue that's been happening in regards to Fuentes and Tucker Candace Owens has also been brought into this kind of because of Israel, but also because of what she's been covering [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but there's also been a lot of discussion of like what is all of this about and what is the underlining like real issue or how is this being used and I read an article because we can talk about like yes and we'll get into this yes Gen Z is upset about the economy yes there's an affordability issue yet you know and Trump's lack of messaging but specifically in this idea of civil war.

[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like there's like a two-part thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, actually the other part, I think it's mainly about who is going to rule the Republicans or MAGA after Trump.

[SPEAKER_06]: Am I crazy?

[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's, I think it's through the heart of what this is.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think right now, these kind of fringe left people, or not even left, well, the left ones to exploit it.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think like the fringe right, I think there's a whole conversation we could have about how like Fuentez and those types have co-opted America first, to mean something completely different than what it means.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're trying to move the over 10 window to their closer to their side, which I don't think is going to work, but they would love, they would love to appear there.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so moving the over you're talking about the the groiper Nick Fuentes type, which is very Gen Z, especially Gen Z males are very interested in right now or and I don't want to see interested in, but they're just like listening to let's put it that way.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't think it's necessarily sometimes out of malice as much as it is entertainment.

[SPEAKER_07]: Entertainment can can leak and turn into malice depending on, you know, how convincing and charismatic the individual is, which what does is.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so it's, you know, it's Tucker and everyone.

[SPEAKER_07]: But my question is, like, how are we shifting this overton window?

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, what does it mean to, like, in your opinion, or what you're seeing, what does that shift mean?

[SPEAKER_07]: What's in the window if you were to shift it over, eventually?

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know that there's a cohesive thing.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, basically, I think that they're trying to shift it and I think the establishment is trying to shift it back to where the Republican Party was before Trump.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's, I think, kind of obvious.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think Fuente is in those types of people.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think the only thing they really care about is hating Israel.

[SPEAKER_06]: There's not going, I don't know who needs to hear this.

[SPEAKER_06]: There's not going to be another major war in the Middle East in my opinion, for like another 15 years.

[SPEAKER_06]: people want to say that there's going, I mean, the the biggest threat in the Middle East was the threat of Iran in its resistance axes.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's pretty much gone.

[SPEAKER_06]: The Houthis still have some firing power, the Iraqi militias in Iran, or the, yeah, the shea militias in Iraq, were not really involved, so they still have some firepower, has blows like a third of its capacity.

[SPEAKER_06]: There might be another shift between, but there's not going to be some other big thing.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're not going to be giving all of these weapons and aid to Israel anymore.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to dump what we don't need anymore from the global frontier on them because we need to buy new weapons to find the Pacific and that's kind of going to be it we're not like they want to think that's going to happen within Trump's presidency.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think that they're going to kind of finish this stuff up and I think that I think what's going to happen is there's going to be some sort of like Middle Eastern NATO where like.

[SPEAKER_06]: We, our commanders kind of tell everybody what to do, and then we kind of train people.

[SPEAKER_06]: We give them all weapons, and that's going to be like Israel, the Saudis, the Emirates, like Turkey, all of these countries, and they're kind of going to fight their own battles.

[SPEAKER_06]: I hope that's what I hope, and that's kind of, that's what Trump was trying to aim for in his first term.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that that's where we're heading.

[SPEAKER_06]: So that's kind of this like Fuente's gripe [SPEAKER_06]: I think that there's a real issue with people clipping things that he said from years ago that are horrific.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then people who only see those clips think that that's what he's talking about 100% of the time.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then the people who want to give him the benefit of the doubt, because they do think he's entertaining.

[SPEAKER_06]: But he's so much more than that, you're fairly unfairly maligning him.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, well, I don't really know that it's unfair to use what he has said.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, and it's also like some of the comments aren't exactly like 10 years ago.

[SPEAKER_07]: Some of the comments have to specifically with JD vans and Ushan and like, yeah, as in they were in the last like year or two.

[SPEAKER_07]: So anyone who's just kind of like flippantly going He's not that bad.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that that's an issue of long-form versus short-form in general, long-form.

[SPEAKER_06]: The only people who listen to long-form like you and me, or fontes or Tucker, or any of these people, they want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then they say these really crazy things that can get clipped, we don't do this.

[SPEAKER_06]: They do this.

[SPEAKER_06]: That get clipped, and then people act like it's all the clips, and so it's like you're almost battling two different [SPEAKER_06]: people, and it's the same person, and it's all these things, but I think that that's where things get lost in translation, but I think this like, Gen Z movement, I don't think that they necessarily want anything besides the hating as real peace.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that they just, they want to feel like they're in control.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I don't even know what they want.

[SPEAKER_07]: What are you saying?

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, so I was thinking about this.

[SPEAKER_07]: So there's two things happening.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I sent you this article from the Federalist, which was published earlier this month.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I told you that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so I'm going to just share it here.

[SPEAKER_07]: Just so everybody can see it.

[SPEAKER_07]: If you guys are watching, not presentation, this one is like, now it's not around one.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so in this article it says the attacks on heritage and Kevin Roberts are really about form policy and JD bands.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, I'm not going to read the whole article here, but if I was to summarize it for you, they're basically pointing out, yes, you know, we can discuss Fuentes.

[SPEAKER_07]: We can discuss what he says.

[SPEAKER_07]: We can discuss how the heritage foundation handled the situation.

[SPEAKER_07]: but specifically the argument that this article is making is that the debate of Fuentes and Tucker Carlson having Fuentes on and the resistance to [SPEAKER_07]: what's the word I'm looking for to like this whole like canceling and I don't want to get into the ins and out we already have had to discuss the ins and outs of like what's canceling and what's the proper way that's not what I'm trying to discuss here what this article is arguing is that there is a contingent within the Republican party that many would categorize as [SPEAKER_07]: that are vying to battle out what the Trump administration or what happens after their Trump administration, what the Republican Party will be and what MAGA will be.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I saw this particular article and I'll share a link to this article in the show notes if you guys want to read it, kind of lays out that case.

[SPEAKER_07]: and that they're using this debate of Fuentes, Tucker anti-Semitism Israel to actually like, to create more division to pull the party away from JD Vance, who is the current Arab parent if we're to continue on because, I mean, I know Trump jokes about it and he has 20, 28 hats, but he's not running for president again.

[SPEAKER_07]: them.

[SPEAKER_07]: So the hope is that they want to like pull this party back under the, you know, I can neocon is really the only description.

[SPEAKER_07]: I can like generally come up with, but you know what I'm talking about.

[SPEAKER_07]: You're talking about like, you know, the bush, it's not even like Mitt Romney still exists, but that's the type that like a Lindsey Graham type who [SPEAKER_07]: You actually campaigned against vans, even though Lindsey Graham acts like he's all in love with the president now.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't trust that man.

[SPEAKER_07]: Not all.

[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, shape or form.

[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, is out what you've seen to battling out.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's part of it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I also think it's a really simplistic understanding of it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like what what I think that is what is bringing up this whole like.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, because one of this demand from JD Vance, you must announce or you must come out and criticize.

[SPEAKER_07]: And for all these other people, and not like honestly, frankly, that kind of annoys me, because if you have the vice president coming out, talking about Nick Fuentes and denouncing Nick Fuentes and everything.

[SPEAKER_07]: When he's already been critical of Fuentes, clearly, I mean, he sets him discussing things about his wife.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I don't think he's a fan.

[SPEAKER_07]: So this demand of like, you must stand on the pulpit or behind the vice presidential seal and denounce him is only gonna bring more attention to him.

[SPEAKER_07]: So like, I find that entire narrative annoying.

[SPEAKER_06]: I totally agree when I say that it's simplistic, I think in general Americans ideas about foreign policy are simplistic, but that's why like these people who know better like Lindsey Graham and like Tucker Carlson.

[SPEAKER_06]: Uh-huh.

[SPEAKER_06]: Belanted calling all these people isolationists or neocons, they're playing into something that they know that the audience doesn't fully understand.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that that's super dishonest of both of them, and it really bothers me.

[SPEAKER_06]: And you're right.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, it's beneath the office of the vice president of the United States to comment on what right wing podcasters are saying.

[SPEAKER_06]: And also, when people try and say, oh, it's going to be, you know, Zoramandami in the Democrats versus Nick Fwontas in the right.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, because Zoramandami has power.

[SPEAKER_06]: He's a mayor.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, he can do things.

[SPEAKER_06]: Nick Fwontas can say things, saying things and having the government's power and arm to do things are two very different things.

[SPEAKER_06]: Not to say that there's no problems with Fwontas, but like, no, it's not right-wing podcasters versus crazy left-wing lunatic.

[SPEAKER_06]: like elected officials.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, sorry.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's not the choice.

[SPEAKER_06]: The choice is between normal, rational, JD van's Republicans and other Republicans.

[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody can be in that tent.

[SPEAKER_06]: Who may have friendships with Tucker, who maybe be is outside of the overtime window now versus crazy left-wing lunatic Democrat elected official.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's what the fund is.

[SPEAKER_06]: Don't you don't have to define us by our podcasters.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sorry, like, well, and I don't have to be difference, too, because on the left, you're seeing a rise of DSA candidate.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like currently, neighbor, Georgia has a DSA candidate running for governor.

[SPEAKER_07]: You've seen them running for mayor Seattle right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: The mayor of Seattle is neck and neck and she I don't know she's DSA, but she's definitely like socialist friendly for sure.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I think we're having completely different issues.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now, however, in that room, that's not to say that there shouldn't be some concern about.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, because there's a lot of discussion about like young men, which I think is interesting because like nobody talks about the young women that are just going crazy on the left and you don't hear a lot of Republicans being like, well, what are we going to do to entice these young women to come back?

[SPEAKER_07]: which is a discussion for another day because I don't like, we have a list of things to discuss.

[SPEAKER_07]: But specifically, I think overall, both for the women, for young women and young men, this interests in socialism, like Mondani's versus, you know, this grouper energy, which is very, I don't even know, nationalist.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's very nihilistic with the sprinkle [SPEAKER_07]: But I think it's all rooted in what are they expecting to see in the future?

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, what is in store for me in the future, which I think is where the affordability economy discussion comes in.

[SPEAKER_06]: Total, well, what I really think it is, I don't think it's starting to bother me.

[SPEAKER_06]: I saw some girl at the Billy Wire who's like, our generation is conservative and we're mad that Trump's not conservative enough.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's not what it is.

[SPEAKER_06]: That, yeah, Isabelle Brown said that, I saw that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay, is that her name?

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember her name, I'm sorry.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then there was this, I'm seeing all these like lecturing people.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, no, actually, the young people are socialist.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think young people in general have really intense beliefs about socialism or conservatism, or capitalism.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it's very, unfortunately, I think it's very, I don't want to say simplistic because it sounds like dismissive, and that's not my intent.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's not something that like I grew up with certain type of messaging throughout my, you know, schooling.

[SPEAKER_07]: I, you know, the Cold War was around when I was young.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was in my formative years during the war on terror.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was all very pro capitalist pro America, you know, that kind of traditional and I think because we've removed a lot of like civics in that type of those type of lessons out from the school and also a lot of the formative years were spent.

[SPEAKER_07]: at home behind a computer in a Zoom class for many of the Gen Z, especially that are coming up right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think they're particularly committed to one economic policy over another as much as they just want to feel that there is a future and that they can live comfortably, even though I don't know what comfortably means to them, because I think to them, it's something different than what I wouldn't describe as comfortably, do you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I just, I think that Gen Z overall doesn't hate, like, doesn't have the same feelings towards like normal labels that we have.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then I think on top of that, I think that they just want change.

[SPEAKER_06]: And they're open to change whether it be socialism or hyper nationalism.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, they just want something different.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think I saw something yesterday that your unemployment for 18 to 24 year olds is at almost 10%.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, so these are a lot of people in the last time it was that low was during COVID.

[SPEAKER_06]: So these are like right at the beginning.

[SPEAKER_06]: So these are people with a lot of time on their hands, who are watching a lot of content, apparently, whether it be from Hassan Piker or Fuentes, who have these kind of unorthodox beliefs.

[SPEAKER_06]: They don't believe everything.

[SPEAKER_06]: They think it's entertaining.

[SPEAKER_06]: They don't want to just be scolded.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're not going to just sit and be scolded by people while you're this or you're not having to have to or anything that we've seen in the last like decade or so.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, there's no tolerance.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so they just want something new.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that this is where it's really a shame that Charlie Kirk was assassinated because the thing he offered them was like, nope, go get married, go to church, have kids, and build a career.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that that's more beneficial to society as a whole until the individual person than like let's do Hitler revisionism.

[SPEAKER_06]: Unfortunately, unfortunately, a crazy lunatic person like transferring whatever assassinated Charlie in.

[SPEAKER_06]: So now we have to do.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now we can't do so in says, but I'm not going to get into that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, yeah, that's like, that's for my self-stack for another day.

[SPEAKER_06]: So I just, I think people are looking at the Gen Z debate with the, what are young men thinking I think that they're looking at it wrong.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're not conservative or socialist.

[SPEAKER_06]: They want change.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they know quite what change they want.

[SPEAKER_06]: They just want something to be different.

[SPEAKER_06]: They want an opportunity to do better than.

[SPEAKER_06]: whatever what every generation wants to do better to give to their kids better than what their parents give to them.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I think there's a lot of differing opinions that they're open to hearing about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: And they're not open to work.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: So on that mindset, so I've had this theory that I've been thinking through, which might be overtly like overly simplistic.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I think in the end, this all has to do or would be benefited from the economy and afford a bit like if people were comfortable or at least saw the potential for improvement for upward mobility, especially when it comes to, you know, their finances or education, their career.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think many of these debates would be so much of a major issue and it's more about because that's how it is historically, even if you were, especially if, like, right now we're particularly divided, but when you're talking about an independent voter or a voter, they just want to vote for someone that they feel is going to make their life either maintain or that [SPEAKER_07]: on the message of being able to create a better future and make your current life obviously easier.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think we'll kind of win this out and all of this tug and pull from the far right and the far left will die down.

[SPEAKER_06]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_06]: I agree.

[SPEAKER_06]: Who knows.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and can I answer how happy I am that we're no longer in the 2012 talking point of like well, why do you think the government should make your life better?

[SPEAKER_06]: Because I agree with that, by the way, but it's not a compelling argument, it's not a compelling political case, and I'm just so glad that we're no longer in that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Um, I think about that a lot now because that we're no longer in what, how can you the government make your life better or It just I feel like when I was when I was in college Republicans the it would always be spoken about of like [SPEAKER_06]: We just need to get the government out and we should never expect the government to make our lives better.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's not the government's responsibility if they're just less than, then things will be better.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you should focus on yourself and I agree with those points.

[SPEAKER_06]: I just think in today's day and age when we have felt the arm of the government make our lives really, really bad.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that we can ask certain things of the government to make our lives good.

[SPEAKER_06]: I was just, I was thinking about this because I don't know if you saw the, I confused.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm confused here.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, because [SPEAKER_07]: I've always been on the mindset, this could be like just an old school mindset, but like get out as much as possible, deregulate as much as possible, don't be so involved because of the fact that the more, especially when we're looking at like healthcare costs when we look at student loans, all of them have increased significantly in price and it becomes more expensive because of the government meddling.

[SPEAKER_07]: version of these.

[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_07]: And with subsidies and everything like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that's why I've always been on the mindset of now I do think there are things that the government can do to make things better by getting rid of things that cause these issues.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what you're, okay, that's kind of what I'm saying.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you're not saying it that well.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, but it's it's kind of one of those things where I just feel like when I was like younger and like the it was I don't want to like single him out, but it was like the Ben Shapiro talking point to be like, you know, the government like just get the government out and it's like how about no president Trump is going to do this, which is getting the government down.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, like, you're talking about a messaging issue, messaging, messaging, but also it's kind of like, I don't know, did you see this thing that just went kind of viral again, the Peter Teele email from 2017 talking about millennials and it was like 80% of I can't remember go ahead and break it down because I can't remember it off the top of my head.

[SPEAKER_06]: Peter Teele sent an email to the Facebook.

[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_07]: Tell people who Peter Teele is first just in our case.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Peter Teele is a billionaire Silicon Valley tech giant.

[SPEAKER_06]: He found his paper towel.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: He found a paper towel.

[SPEAKER_06]: He's right leaning.

[SPEAKER_06]: He endorsed President Trump in 2016.

[SPEAKER_06]: He's openly gay.

[SPEAKER_06]: He is an investor and things like Palantir and he has a fund which [SPEAKER_06]: Um, like pays kids to drop out of college basically and like go start these tech companies and he's kind of a He's very revered in certain circles because he's very like, yeah, it depends and he also has this interesting Actually, I'm not going to mention it because I can't remember it because he has this like he did this interview was something about [SPEAKER_07]: like AI is going to help prevent or bring up the AI.

[SPEAKER_07]: It was like some kind of far out like about the anti-Christ or something like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Have you seen any?

[SPEAKER_07]: No.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, something that people joke about with a lot of these San Francisco guys is they're like, I don't want to make fun like light up.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like they're all not the most social people.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean, like there's a little awkward.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, yeah, well, yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so it's like this, he's a huge buggy man to people.

[SPEAKER_06]: Peter, Teal, back to JD Vancey's terrible.

[SPEAKER_06]: He's this crazy.

[SPEAKER_06]: And a lot of that just comes from the fact that he was openly conservative before San Francisco was kind of having this right leaning.

[SPEAKER_06]: Tinge with some of the curve.

[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: But what was his letter?

[SPEAKER_07]: What is the letter saying?

[SPEAKER_07]: What was his theory?

[SPEAKER_06]: But so he gave a lecture on what the anti-Christ is.

[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, what is that?

[SPEAKER_06]: He did that like a couple of months ago.

[SPEAKER_06]: But then with this letter, he was on the Facebook Executive Board back in 2017.

[SPEAKER_06]: He sent it to like Mark Zuckerberg and Charleston burgon, all these people saying, you know, I think that we should not just dismiss these young people who are open to socialism.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that we should try to understand where they're coming from.

[SPEAKER_06]: And if we look at it, like if the system of capitalism, they don't feel like it's working for them because they're, you know, riddled with these student loans.

[SPEAKER_06]: And especially if you think about the type of millennials that they were talking about, people who work at Facebook.

[SPEAKER_06]: These are people who have to live and really high cost of living areas at the time in 2016, 2017, like San Francisco, like New York, like LA, like, you know, where those hubs are, they can't be in middle of [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so, you know, they, they don't have the benefits of buying a house 20 years ago and living in the same place and writing that up and stuff.

[SPEAKER_06]: They were riddled with the student loans and teals point basically was like instead of lecturing them about why socialism's bad.

[SPEAKER_06]: We should understand they don't feel like capitalism worked for them and so they're probably open to an alternative aka socialism.

[SPEAKER_06]: That went reviral after two [SPEAKER_06]: basically just expanding on it and stuff.

[SPEAKER_06]: And he was saying, like, you know, I'm optimistic about this, but I'm not surprised about this or I'm a dummy.

[SPEAKER_06]: In fact, I think that we're going to see more of it kind of just was that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and then beyond that, then the free press published a bunch of their letters to the editor.

[SPEAKER_06]: And it was the first two letters to the editor, if you go read these, it was just these like, [SPEAKER_06]: I don't want a boomer bash because I think it's boring, but like, it was just boomers who were like, well, we taught our kids to be fine.

[SPEAKER_06]: So people just need to figure it out.

[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like just telling this now growing motorblock, well, just figured out we had it hard too, is not going to work, especially when you're seeing the government, for instance, in last two days elections, got rid of property taxes for like older people, so that their tax burden is alleviated.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're never talking about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Where was that?

[SPEAKER_06]: Texas.

[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I did not see that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I'm not telling you all of Texas.

[SPEAKER_06]: These things aren't spoken about as much.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, they're talking about doing that in Florida now, too.

[SPEAKER_06]: They [SPEAKER_06]: like we are never talking about cutting back on social security and Medicare, right, even though we know it will be in solvent in like less than 10 years.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so it's just kind of this thing where it's like, I think it's funny that you see on socialism and handouts, but they, there are a lot of incentives that get them to that.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of the reason we have these zoning problems with like why we can't build more in certain of these like high-dense D areas is because of boomer voters not wanting their property values to decrease and not wanting to like [SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of one of these things at the point I'm trying to make when I say like we can't just say get the government out of the way some of these places the government is in the way or sometimes we are willing to use the government to benefit a certain voter class well that's what I was about to say yeah because that's about I mean you would be you would be naive to think that not like both parties [SPEAKER_07]: will pass policies to favor their most trustworthy voter base.

[SPEAKER_07]: So for example, Democrats, you know, they have always long thought that they have the young vote.

[SPEAKER_07]: So they're going to, you know, it's like the student loan issue and health care issue as opposed to when you're dealing with Republicans, usually who comes out to vote for them.

[SPEAKER_07]: the most and most reliable that they can't risk losing our older Americans who own their home and have social security.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, I'm not surprised that, you know, you can be critical of both sides that that's who they're [SPEAKER_07]: catering to who they're passing their policies to.

[SPEAKER_07]: So if, okay, so like now we have the midterms are coming up and there's this battle of what's the message for the midterms.

[SPEAKER_07]: And it's always, I guess like the party in power always typically historically has a harder challenge because they're the ones in power.

[SPEAKER_07]: So if there's an issue at the time, they're going to see it as [SPEAKER_07]: It's clear to me that affordability, the economy is, I think, is going to be huge for the midterms.

[SPEAKER_07]: And if people don't feel like things are improving, they're not wanting to give this administration more power by voting for more representatives, giving more representatives in Congress.

[SPEAKER_07]: So Trump recently did an interview with Laura Ingraham and he was asked there was like two conversations that happened or three there was like three things that happened and I want to hit on each one of them and kind of talk about [SPEAKER_07]: What he's talking about, but looking at it specifically towards like how that can affect the midterms, how he can get better at the messaging or like what needs to be done for the midterms and also with the youth vote in mind because there's other, but this is what I'm particularly interested in right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: So specifically, first of all, he was asked about there's this whole discussion about because this is immigration involved, whether you're like, or not, immigration does also involve the economy.

[SPEAKER_07]: And about students specifically, which were a bunch of Chinese students getting, I guess, student visas to come to the United States.

[SPEAKER_07]: So let me play that clip for you first.

[SPEAKER_05]: folks are not thrilled about this idea of hundreds of thousands of foreign students in the United States.

[SPEAKER_05]: We have about 350,000 Chinese.

[SPEAKER_05]: One point during COVID, you were going to push to get them out, but that was pulled back.

[SPEAKER_05]: You've said as many as 600,000 Chinese students could come to the United States.

[SPEAKER_05]: Why, sir, is that a pro-mag a position when so many American kids want to go to school and their place is not for them and these universities are getting rich off Chinese money?

[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_02]: Never said about China, but we do have a lot of people coming in from China.

[SPEAKER_02]: We always have China and other countries.

[SPEAKER_02]: We also have a massive system of colleges and universities.

[SPEAKER_02]: And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy, you would have half the colleges in the United States School out of business.

[SPEAKER_02]: So a lot.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's a big deal.

[SPEAKER_02]: Are they paying for the United States?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you would have, as you know, historically black colleges and universities would all be out of business.

[SPEAKER_02]: You would have a system of colleges and universities.

[SPEAKER_02]: Would you work at the gym?

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not trying to keep my own university, but I think it's good to have, I actually think it's good to have outside countries, everyone treats us badly, because that's the way I am.

[SPEAKER_02]: Trillions of dollars from students, you know, the students pay more than double when they come in from most foreign countries.

[SPEAKER_02]: I want to see our school system thrive, but at the same time I want to I know you and I disagree.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're never going to agree on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it business.

[SPEAKER_07]: So he's talking about the universities at like it almost seems more concerned as the universities as a business for versus the students and bringing in so many people like I mean from trying a bit from anywhere as foreign students.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think it's an interesting one of the things that I kind of think is a problem with this administration as a whole is that we really feel like we only have four years to get things done.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so people like Laura and Graham people who are big immigration hot and I know we've texted about this.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm becoming one because it's getting like kind of insane.

[SPEAKER_06]: They just want it all cut off and you're starting to now see a debate between people wanting a full immigration moratorium.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm kind of there.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then people were like, okay, come down.

[SPEAKER_06]: We can't do that, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: That's probably not good.

[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so, and I think that Laura and Grim probably speaks more for that, like, okay, if we're just turning off the spigot, why do we not turn it off for foreign students?

[SPEAKER_06]: And then I think you have Trump who's like, okay, well, we need to kind of back off.

[SPEAKER_06]: It was kind of like the doge cuts, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: Like there were people like just gut all of these departments who cares and [SPEAKER_06]: or I think Scott Bessent, the Treasury Secretary talks about this a lot.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, there's a lot of Republicans who just want to cut, cut, cut, cut, cut.

[SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, well, for every so many billion dollars, you're cutting a percentage of GDP.

[SPEAKER_06]: So we have to cut the government slowly because we don't want to just completely decimate the GDP.

[SPEAKER_07]: it's a balancing act.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, you know, how much do you cut versus how much does it end up affecting the economy versus another thing that he brought up, which has led to a like in particular the universities.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for the universities.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, I'm not the super expensive for your college.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, [SPEAKER_07]: It's not really my concern also with the way that they focus on what I think are ridiculous degrees that cost you a whole bunch of money and don't actually get you a legitimate job like they're the least of my concerns if some Chinese person wants to come over and study gender you know studies I don't care about that as much as I care more about.

[SPEAKER_07]: Whether it's an American or a Chinese student coming over to learn engineering or become a doctor something like that that I'm more concerned about because those are things I think actually legitimately need degrees but with the rise of AI things that are come like there's a lot of these degrees that are.

[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're going to be obsolete or they're not going to be necessary into you reach a higher level.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't know if that should be like a priority when it comes to university.

[SPEAKER_07]: So university is in particular, like when he's talking about, well, you know, their businesses and we want to make sure that they're able to make money.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: What, like, I don't have like a huge amount of sympathy on sympathy on that.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so I don't think that his [SPEAKER_07]: discussion there.

[SPEAKER_07]: And because she's bringing, she's talking about what about Americans who want those those seats or those positions at the universities, those degrees.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think that's more legitimate question and then he kind of takes it over to, like, well, the robustness.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm like, didn't know, dude, that's not really the messaging that you need to be so concerned about forward looking to the midterm.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the other one that came in, were you going to add something?

[SPEAKER_06]: He's caught some sort of a deal with the university as in terms of the business thing.

[SPEAKER_06]: Because in the big beautiful bill, there was something.

[SPEAKER_06]: We used to have an upper limit, right?

[SPEAKER_06]: An upper limit of what schools can charge for certain for education.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then of course, what happened and why have things gone so expensive?

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the schools charge that upper limit, you know, of where they can get the subsidy for.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: One of the reasons, yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think, yeah, thank you, Obama.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that actually started under Bush.

[SPEAKER_06]: But or where that really started getting bad, but now I think the big beautiful bill you have to double check me on this that cut that significantly they cut that thing so now it's like you need to allow some of these overseas students that pay full prices because you've undermined our bottom line not undermined but you've.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, which I think is fair.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like you've cut the bottom line.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it would be more affordable for students, but then also they're still interested in order for us to be able to run these programs that we run.

[SPEAKER_07]: We need more money and we can only charge that to foreign students.

[SPEAKER_07]: Right, so realistically pragmatically it's not completely insane even though messaging wise is no way no, it's not great.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, it's it's not good.

[SPEAKER_06]: The other thing that there's a national security component with the Chinese students.

[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I mean, that like a lot of 20 students are like straight up spies and that's very concerning, but is it the worst thing in the world that they come here and then we can spy on what they're spying on.

[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe there's something there.

[SPEAKER_06]: Another thing is, like, one of the reasons I'm not, I'm not as concerned as some of these people are that like trying is going to completely dominate and take over the world is it's just a really, really hostile environment to creatives and to like the upper echelon people who.

[SPEAKER_06]: Don't want to watch whatever they like the math videos that they allow on the Chinese version of YouTube they want to use like they want to see American stuff and so like there is something to I wanted I think that we're headed towards the soft decoupling with China, but there is something to like okay if you have a lot of Chinese students coming over and studying here then they go back home.

[SPEAKER_06]: then they realize they don't really want to be at home or they don't there's a lot of unrest with you it's unemployment there right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, there's a lot of people here in the states a lot of people don't realize that that the you in fact I have some in laws that are international like teachers at one of the schools in China and like there's even this whole movement of [SPEAKER_07]: I don't even know exactly what it's called, but it's basically like bumming like it's we're not going to participate in a job, we're not going to participate in anything because there's [SPEAKER_07]: Um, and there's a term they actually have like a term for it.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if it's like laying down or it translates to like laying down or something.

[SPEAKER_07]: But it's basically like especially young men.

[SPEAKER_07]: You have a lot of young men that are completely separating themselves from what would be What they would be expected to do traditionally, especially because they have an imbalance of like men versus women and, you know, and all that.

[SPEAKER_07]: So there's so the situation in China isn't as great as China would [SPEAKER_07]: like like like it to be for especially like it for us to see it to be.

[SPEAKER_06]: But in this whole realm go ahead or well just I mean so it's like these are costs and benefits and right now when Trump is like running on nationalism saying well that's it that we're like I mean you know what would really I would love to see but would really decimate the real estate industry especially in like New York and LA [SPEAKER_06]: impose a massive tax on Chinese buyers buying these huge 20 million dollar rants.

[SPEAKER_06]: The reason we can charge 20 million dollars for these mansions is not because celebrities and billionaires American billionaires are buying them.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's because Chinese billionaires are buying them.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's what's pushing the price up so much in these places.

[SPEAKER_06]: put a tax on them being able to buy those houses, which most of the time they just buy to be a bank and like just keep money there and they don't ever use that.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're actually living it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're just working their money there.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, do that and then, and then you'll start to see housing prices come down.

[SPEAKER_06]: But that would really hurt the real estate industry, which would help a lot of, or which would hurt a lot of Trump advisors and probably his own family company and probably, you know, like my families in real estate like that would have trickled out effects.

[SPEAKER_06]: So there are there are these things that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think if you're Trump and you're running on nationalism, but then you also have the pragmatic side.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, these things, I mean, become a big conflict.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: So another one that went really viral was his comments on the H1B visa.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm going to play what he had to say.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I want your, like, your, but I have, I think, maybe an unpopular view on this.

[SPEAKER_07]: I actually kind of agree with the president, but let's talk about it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Hold on.

[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the H1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration, because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds of dollars.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great formula.

[SPEAKER_02]: We also do have to bring in talent when we come to the end of the year.

[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have talent in the end of the year.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have certain talents, and you have to people have to learn.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't take people off an unemployment line and say, I'm going to put you into a [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't we ever do it before?

[SPEAKER_05]: Well, let me tell you an hour ago.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give you an example in Georgia.

[SPEAKER_02]: They rated because they wanted illegal immigrants.

[SPEAKER_02]: They had people from South Korea that need batteries.

[SPEAKER_02]: All their lives.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, making batteries are very complicated.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not a easy thing.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very dangerous.

[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of explosions, a lot of problems.

[SPEAKER_02]: They had like five or six hundred people.

[SPEAKER_02]: early stages to make batteries and to teach people how to do it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they wanted them to get out of the gun.

[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't need that, Laura.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.

[SPEAKER_02]: You can't just say, a country's coming in, going to invest $10 billion to build a plant and you know, take people off an unemployment line who haven't worked in five years and they're going to start making missiles.

[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't work that way.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, what do you, I don't think that's, I don't think, I don't think, okay, so okay, so there's this entire debate happening online about the H1B visa, specifically like, you know, now look, I will say this and what I, and I think this is all what is currently frustrating me right now with this administration right now because I'm going to tell you flat out like I'm not I'm a little annoyed.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm a little frustrated.

[SPEAKER_07]: Do I regret it?

[SPEAKER_07]: I voted for them absolutely not so like don't even be like no, I don't okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: I but I'm also not a leming and I'm going to point out when I have a problem and so my problem here is particularly on this issue is [SPEAKER_07]: Trump is great at messaging and he's horrible at messaging at the same time, so he's great at like very simple messaging, you know, like we talk about the means and how he'll get a good catch phrase and he'll break things down and make it real simple, but then when you get into something that's a little bit more complex and complicated, because he's just so brash and honest, he's like, no, we don't have smart people here.

[SPEAKER_07]: No.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then everyone, I'm like, well, that's not what he means.

[SPEAKER_07]: And that is the first of all, the debate that's happening online is we can't just have all of these people when they, you know, we can give these jobs to Americans.

[SPEAKER_07]: And yes, it does get abused.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, H1B needs to be revised.

[SPEAKER_07]: Absolutely.

[SPEAKER_07]: I do not think H1B should be used for an accountant versus, I don't know, a nuclear scientist, like those two things are completely different.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't think it should.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think there should be a law that you can't [SPEAKER_07]: pay them less, then you would offer to a US citizen.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I think reforms are definitely needed, but in my personal opinion, it is clear because like the college education situation, you would be naive to think that over the last, what, 20 years, 15 years, that we, yeah, we might have more educated people, but what are they educated in?

[SPEAKER_07]: is my question.

[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it used to be, I don't know, part of me things that this is just with the end of the end of history, the essays after the Cold War ended, where it's just like, we're just going to make America incrementally better, which doesn't mean GDP growth.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, maybe it does if we're outsourcing things to China, but it doesn't mean like we're just going to like take what we've got here, be content with 2% [SPEAKER_06]: We're just going to redistribute so marginalized peoples are more equitable and then we're going to make up new groups of marginalized peoples and that's just kind of what we're going to do and that that's what the world is thank God in a way in a way.

[SPEAKER_06]: we are now entering a period of like great power competition again where it's like oh no actually like we're not producing nearly as many weapons as we need to and we need people to just do that we don't need to like retrain people to you know we don't have five years time you know what I mean yeah with like this is the same thing too with AI it's just like yeah if we want to really win this war on AI if we want to increase our supply in weapons in defense [SPEAKER_07]: Of course, we can offer these jobs to Americans.

[SPEAKER_07]: That is, should be our priority.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I don't think we should have H1B policies that undermine the employment of American citizens.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I also don't think that we should be like, absolutely not, especially like I'm thinking, but I don't know what I think is pretty.

[SPEAKER_07]: pragmatically like if there is a some super science and I think that's the thing like again I don't think it should be in the countin.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think it should be someone exceptional and if there's someone exceptional over in India or China or Bangladesh I don't even care where but [SPEAKER_07]: I would prefer that they're here doing stuff for us, versus that they're over there being a brain child for China, or Russia, or, you know, whoever.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so this absolute idea of absolutely no H1B.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, why don't we have a discussion instead of like what the H1B is and how we can improve it?

[SPEAKER_07]: And also let me also point out that he put a price tag on the H1B of 100, what is it?

[SPEAKER_06]: $100,000?

[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, so let's get rid of a twin beast for entry level jobs.

[SPEAKER_06]: Totally.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and that is basically a tax.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think you might end up lowering that.

[SPEAKER_06]: But that's a tax that makes it so that yeah, you're not going to spend $28,000 on an entry level person, but you are going to spend that on a nuclear scientist.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that that fills the problem.

[SPEAKER_06]: There's a ton of H1B abuse.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think what this really comes down to is like right now the right and the left are both in search of a bookie man for like society's problems and the right is pinning it on immigrants used to be just illegal immigrants now it's a lot of work all of them general and then the left it's corporations and billionaires and the monocos you know and injustice but I don't know so right now on the right we just need to figure out a way to be like okay yes immigration has been a massive problem [SPEAKER_06]: Patrick Casey tweeted this the other day.

[SPEAKER_06]: This is true.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're seeing that negative migration for the first time in the years.

[SPEAKER_06]: So this is my thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like with this administration now granted we also went through and I think this may be part of it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like we went through a slow new cycle because the government shut down.

[SPEAKER_07]: So the government shut down dominated a lot and when you have a void, something's going to fill it.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, Tucker Carlson, Nick Funtis, Phil Dick, because Mandoni has filled it.

[SPEAKER_07]: This, you know, this drama right now has filled it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Also, I think objectively Trump, when he sits down and he just speaks.

[SPEAKER_07]: off the cuff like he did in that interview, I think, also will, you know, fill that void versus because Bessett also did an interview where he kind of clarified on this.

[SPEAKER_07]: I just want to, I just want to provide a contrast on the, and this is on the H1VSU specifically.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a boyman line and say, I'm going to put you into actual, they're making missiles.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you stand this to Secretary?

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, for, for, for years, 20, 30 years.

[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lot of short precision in manufacturing jobs.

[SPEAKER_01]: And the president's point here is we, again, we can't snap our fingers and say, you're going to learn how to build ships overnight.

[SPEAKER_01]: We want to bring, [SPEAKER_01]: semiconductor industry back to the US.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be big facilities in Arizona.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the president's vision here is to bring in overseas workers where these jobs went.

[SPEAKER_01]: Who have skills?

[SPEAKER_01]: Who have the skills?

[SPEAKER_01]: Three, five.

[SPEAKER_01]: seven years to train the U.S.

workers, then they can go home, the U.S.

workers fully take over.

[SPEAKER_03]: So do you understand the concern that some people have, hey, an American can get have that job, why you give it to an American can't have that job.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's specific skills because we haven't built ships in the U.S.

for years.

[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't built semiconductors.

[SPEAKER_01]: So this idea of overseas partners coming in, teaching American workers, then returning home, that's a home run.

[SPEAKER_06]: It makes sense and it it's what this is what bothers me so much about the Marjorie Taylor Green like I'm America only thing like [SPEAKER_06]: We have built a network of countries that we do business with that are so far ahead of the curve.

[SPEAKER_06]: South Korea specifically with the shipbuilding, with those batteries, and I'm glad he was mad about the rating of that factory with the batteries because that was really bad for U.S.

South Korea relations.

[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm glad to hear that Trump didn't have anything to do with it and stuff and that he regretted it and stuff.

[SPEAKER_06]: But like, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: were to happen to stuff with the Japanese right now with the South Koreans like we have like with Taiwan and semiconductor manufacturing they're building in Arizona like we besides the Europeans which that's I mean yeah I don't even want to talk about that.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to be able to do the crown rule.

[SPEAKER_06]: Europe is Disney.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's a poor Disneyland.

[SPEAKER_06]: They die from in summer and all they can do is endless bureaucracy.

[SPEAKER_06]: If Europe is here, I can't fit up my table.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't Europe, whatever.

[SPEAKER_06]: who don't need Europe, but like we have world, whose countries that are incredible that we can really partner with and stuff and like help us if we're gonna soft decouple from China that we can like lean on these and like we can all get better and and maybe that's where the nationalistic language falls short.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like I don't know.

[SPEAKER_07]: What?

[SPEAKER_07]: Let's just be honest.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're in like a sphere a time where everything is short message, very digestible, no more than three minutes moving on to the next thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: Next thing, the viral moments are constant.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I track them all the time.

[SPEAKER_07]: That's literally what I do.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sometimes I feel like my brain is mush at the end of the day, just trying to keep up with like, [SPEAKER_07]: figuring out where is all this going.

[SPEAKER_07]: Also, we have to come to terms with, and I'm talking about myself.

[SPEAKER_07]: When I say we, I'm talking about like creators or commentators, I am really at a point where I'm trying to decipher how real is X versus how real is the real world.

[SPEAKER_07]: Now that I really particularly think X is very real, but you know, it's just like, [SPEAKER_07]: I'm trying to figure out how much the conversations on X influence real world people.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think it really depends on the generation, which I think is one of the issues.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, I think it's very different, you know, a gen X like myself versus a Gen Z.

[SPEAKER_07]: You know, we still have old school habits of consuming information, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_07]: But I think at the end of the day, it's a lot like the message that this administration needs to figure out is that it's to be honest because I think one of the big mistakes that is happening is like Trump is just being like everything's awesome.

[SPEAKER_07]: Everything's great.

[SPEAKER_07]: What are you talking [SPEAKER_07]: And it's feeling very bite and ask and that was [SPEAKER_07]: That was a huge mistake as opposed to like why don't you just honest with hey, I know that may be like feel my pain kind of situation have a little empty acknowledge that people are concerned Explain what you've done so far explain the situation and be like these are the things and I am we're doing and this is how we hope now obviously the legacy media is going to you know contrast that but [SPEAKER_06]: Like if we're concerned about the terms and future elections, just be honest, you know, I have something right in about this that I'm going to have to put up with my sub-sacres, something we're like, but Trump has the, well, we have two things like the death of Charlie Kirk and Trump being incredible at what he does, which is just he shows up somewhere and people want to pay attention.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Trump being, being guy from real estate and construction, he should be, [SPEAKER_06]: at every.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think what we should entirely before he died was very big on like we need to bring back the American family.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think the Republican party could really tap into some of these affordable ability issues from the pro family standpoint of saying, yeah, okay, we want young people to be able to feel like they can get married young, you know, the student loan debt crisis, this is making people delay home ownership and getting married and having kids and then they're having [SPEAKER_06]: We're not building enough homes, Charlie wanted to build 10 million new homes.

[SPEAKER_06]: We have the technology that we could build more homes for cheaper right now.

[SPEAKER_06]: Lanar is building 3D printed homes for 40% less than it would normally take to construct a home.

[SPEAKER_06]: We could do something really cool.

[SPEAKER_06]: build a bunch of those somewhere.

[SPEAKER_06]: Trump walks around with a hard hat on.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's like, oh, I am America's builder.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we're building America again.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like remember how bad infrastructure week was in the first term.

[SPEAKER_06]: But like we could really do that this time.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like redo infrastructure week, but not not the bad parts.

[SPEAKER_06]: And we could like throw yourself building, show yourself like, okay, cost are coming down.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like AI and all of [SPEAKER_06]: pick like I don't know the the racist thing trope of the left like oh we need to bring in all these immigrants to pick our strawberries it's like there's only robots to do that and we are not going to have to exploit slave labor and it's going to be cheaper because they don't need to take time off they can't get sick and all these things and they can just I don't know these railies and they're like farming technology that they export to here like [SPEAKER_06]: They can, the Israelis are so worried about being cut off from the world.

[SPEAKER_06]: They can basically grow everything or they have the technology to be able to grow everything for to sustain themselves within their country.

[SPEAKER_06]: They can export that place, it's super cool.

[SPEAKER_06]: My friend was just there talking about it, but like, [SPEAKER_06]: We can really, overhaul the economy in the next 10 years and make things way more affordable and not have to be dependent on like, importing a class of slaves, which is what we've been told for a long time.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think that that's gonna be really cool, but they have to communicate it.

[SPEAKER_06]: He has to show people that it's coming.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: And it's not gonna be bad for that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, he and that same interview, he was asked specifically on affordability.

[SPEAKER_07]: That good.

[SPEAKER_02]: We are doing phenomenally well.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is the greatest economy we've ever had.

[SPEAKER_02]: They're talking, but it's all course or high course.

[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, the only thing is beef.

[SPEAKER_02]: Beef is a little high because the ranchers are doing great.

[SPEAKER_02]: Coffee.

[SPEAKER_02]: Coffee, we're going to lower some tariffs.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have them coffee coming.

[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take it all this to very quickly, very easily.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's surgical.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful to watch.

[SPEAKER_02]: But our course is way lower.

[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Walmart came out with a statement that they do every year for many, many decades.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they said that a Thanksgiving meal cost 25% less this Thanksgiving coming up think of that then it did last Thanksgiving under Sleepy Joe Biden so okay first of all it's the time to come in that he's saying is for like they swapped out products.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's not the butterball turkey.

[SPEAKER_07]: anymore.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's the Walmart great value turkey.

[SPEAKER_07]: So look, let's, you know, if we're going to be honest, that's honesty, but I think they're you can eat items and that and others 15.

[SPEAKER_07]: So yeah, shrinkable chin like this is not it and I my concern is that because Trump is just such a salesman, you know, that he's like incapable of being.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like it's weird because I actually consider him to be a very sympathetic man like he cares about people he listens every interview that ever heard of people talking about speaking with him especially if they've gone through some type of difficulty he always looks for other people's opinions so in that sense yes, but when he does these interviews or when he speaks off the cuff.

[SPEAKER_06]: On one hand, I kind of understand because it's not like you can be like, yeah, it's a disaster, especially when like you can't really claim it's Biden's economy anymore when you've been in office for eight months and you did the whole thing with like, we're going to remake the economy with the tariffs.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then he's like, oh, the coffee's expensive, but we're going to lower the tariffs.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, okay, well, [SPEAKER_07]: Well, and now there's this conversation about maybe some, I don't know, I haven't looked into this, but I saw a Cairon on MSNBC of all things, and it was Terrace on Italian pasta and so then there was this conversation of like, well, I hope you're Italian pasta and I'm like, what?

[SPEAKER_07]: First of all, I have no idea why.

[SPEAKER_07]: Good, like, again, I haven't looked into it.

[SPEAKER_07]: I, listeners are very, like, familiar.

[SPEAKER_07]: I do not like the terrorist situation.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was willing to give them a little bit of runway on it, but I don't like it anymore.

[SPEAKER_07]: I actually would like for the Supreme Court to go, no more tariffs, stop it, and I'd be like, okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_06]: If what the tariffs are doing is driving a decoupling, I love it, I think they're great.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm the biggest fan of the tariffs.

[SPEAKER_06]: If we are stuck in this interim, and what I mean by decoupling, if forcing all of our partners around the world to choose between us and China, because if you look at these trade deals that we're doing with them, we are really like...

[SPEAKER_06]: You have to make sure the Chinese divas from this port, you know what I mean, like this is, these deals are really, really interesting.

[SPEAKER_06]: If that's what the tariffs are going to achieve and then we're going to be like, okay, fine, we're going to take them off of food and we're going to take them off of this and we're going to keep them on steel and whatever.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm totally cool with that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if he's going to accomplish this in four years.

[SPEAKER_07]: That is my concern.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I mean, it's really hard to balance this out, especially like, I mean, I think four years is generous because if we lose the house, if the Republicans will lose the house and during the midterms, he is done.

[SPEAKER_07]: his agenda is like he is lame duck for the next two years and so he and then and I think would be a really negative effect or I mean it's a possible downstream effect for the Republican candidate for 2028 because he's not it's actually going to be I don't think he's in a poll I don't know maybe he will I don't think he's in a poll bill Clinton all of a sudden and like work [SPEAKER_07]: So we're going to be able to stalemate for two years on top of that probably some investigation into whatever they come out of it.

[SPEAKER_06]: It'll be impeachment showmanship.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: So like four years.

[SPEAKER_06]: Grandma would be better.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it might be it's easier to be the opposition in a way.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so if I don't know, if they if the Democrats win next year and then they only are focused on Trump and they still don't know what they stand for.

[SPEAKER_06]: They're just against Trump and Trump can't rerun anyways.

[SPEAKER_06]: And JD Vance can run on like, okay, we made material impacts here here and here, we've built this many jobs.

[SPEAKER_06]: We have this much investment.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're building these new homes.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're doing this.

[SPEAKER_06]: We're doing that.

[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe that's going to be easier for him to run than like, okay, Republicans have controlled things for a while.

[SPEAKER_06]: Is your life really that much better.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, maybe that would be easier.

[SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: The tariffs and the the.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that's your mortgage in 15 year car loans going for that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, so first I think the 15 year car loans was actually not a real thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think that was like, I don't know if it was like a meme or an AI or something like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like I think I saw a community on the road.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think it's not real.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, like it wasn't because what was going around online of the 15 year looked like it was a White House post, but I couldn't find it on the White House account.

[SPEAKER_07]: possibly I'm not 100% sure I could be wrong because that was like across my screen while I was doing something else but just as stress there's a possibility that the 15 year was it but the 50 year is a federal and I think that is a stupid though okay like I think that is absolutely ridiculous [SPEAKER_07]: And especially because I think it's a bandaid on an issue, because that does not affect the price of housing.

[SPEAKER_07]: That does not make housing cheaper.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's just, it just makes like, it feels very, car salesmen-e, you know what I mean of like, pay a $100 a month, you know, for your car, and it's like a 30-year car loan or something.

[SPEAKER_07]: Not to mention how much more you would end up, [SPEAKER_07]: paying an interest in a final part.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like it is stupid.

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't even also please stop comparing yourself to FDR because I know everybody thinks I love FDR, but no, we're not doing that.

[SPEAKER_07]: Who voted for that?

[SPEAKER_07]: Nobody, I also, and especially because like, you know, the stimulus checks is only supposed to go to like, if you make a 100,000 or less, like a family of 100,000 or less.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I'm like, okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_07]: I make up maybe, I don't know, 110,000, I have to pay all this extra money because of tariffs or whatever.

[SPEAKER_07]: And like that to me is just a different form of redistribution.

[SPEAKER_07]: If you're going to do it, like I'm more willing to do it, if it's to pay down the deficit versus, you know, because I think that will affect the economy and for everyone overall versus this peace mealing and stuff.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think that's one of the things, you know, very different between a traditional like Republican versus Democrat platform is that the Democrat is often focused on.

[SPEAKER_07]: some group or individual identity and creating programs to help them specifically individually versus Republican policies tend to be much more macro.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so the goal is to help everyone, but that takes a whole lot more work and a whole lot more time.

[SPEAKER_07]: And you can't just say, hey, I just dropped $2,000 in your bank account.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like Republicans don't have that messaging point.

[SPEAKER_07]: where we're at, I know.

[SPEAKER_06]: I did send somebody to eat something funny that was like, you know what, if we're gonna do it, send out the tariff tax of people like the tariffs and then send out another one for the 250th anniversary birthday and sign it and have it go in October of 2026, signed by President Trump, just like everybody's like Republican.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, like, like, if we're gonna do it, just like this lie me and just do it.

[SPEAKER_06]: Do it and make it actually like this, like, actually mean something, but I don't, [SPEAKER_06]: No, it's it's just kind of one of those things where I feel like people were getting burnt out on the foreign policy thing I only care about foreign policy and I'm even burnt out on I'm not burnt out on it.

[SPEAKER_06]: I'm burnt on hearing people's opinions about it who I don't like.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then last week happened and they're at least, at least rightfully, we understand that Mundami won because you went on affordability and so we need to focus on that again.

[SPEAKER_06]: But let's just do a little bit more of a brainstorming session on what we're doing about affordability.

[SPEAKER_06]: Not just like, hey, affordability's back in and it's like, okay, fine, we'll release some tariffs because are we'll say to grand or whenever, and I'm just like, no, we'll send you money and we'll do this loan and we'll we'll [SPEAKER_06]: we'll get rid of these tariffs.

[SPEAKER_06]: So yes, I'm implicitly speaking that they raise prices.

[SPEAKER_06]: Let's let's just think this through because we can do this.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I think we forget that it is partly the nature of the president where he just kind of like throws out this idea to see to kind of like feel how are people are going to respond to it.

[SPEAKER_07]: And then when he he gets a positive response.

[SPEAKER_07]: He leans into it.

[SPEAKER_07]: He gets a negative response.

[SPEAKER_07]: He like leaves.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like he does his own polling.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like most traditional republicans are most traditional politicians will get a focus group.

[SPEAKER_07]: do some polling, keep it on the down low, assess the situation, but that takes much more time, it takes money, and he's just like, blah, let me just put up this idea and see how people respond, and then the new cycle changes, and we actually forget, you know, and I think, you know, I've been frustrated, but we also have to acknowledge that.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's like human nature where he came in, he immediately shut down the border, he immediately dealt with crime.

[SPEAKER_07]: He dealt with the things that he can deal with, with in his power in the immediate force of lead, but you know, he was able to do it.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so now we're like, okay, cool.

[SPEAKER_07]: So that stuff is and it's like people certainly forget those accomplishments and those things and they start to think about.

[SPEAKER_07]: rightfully what is because you make promises and he's met a lot of them.

[SPEAKER_07]: But as you keep checking off those boxes, people will forget about them.

[SPEAKER_07]: They'll no longer be a priority.

[SPEAKER_07]: They'll forget that they need to maintain a priority because once the next administration comes in, they're likely to undo them.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, I think we just are dealing with a messaging issue [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, now that immigration at a top concern, or like at least illegal crossings aren't, health care is back up there.

[SPEAKER_07]: I wrote a post about this because, and I was like, I fully think that right now, there's this whole thing about the government shutdown and it accomplished nothing.

[SPEAKER_07]: And yes, it did accomplish nothing in the moment.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I am telling you that health care is going to be the abortion issue.

[SPEAKER_07]: for the midterms.

[SPEAKER_07]: In that the administration let it go, they're not really good at messaging.

[SPEAKER_07]: The fact is that the reason that the cost of the ACA and healthcare has gone up is just squarely on the Democrats.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: But the Democrats have a very simple message to be like, well, they let these, [SPEAKER_07]: The subsidies expire and now you're insurance is super expensive and they completely miss the fact or conveniently, don't mention the fact that the reason that they're so expensive is because of your ACA policy.

[SPEAKER_07]: But you've been covering it up with taxed repair money and giving it over to the insurance companies.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it's not I did hold this a sub stack on it and it's free to everybody if anybody wants to read it, but I think it's going to be a major issue in the midterms.

[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to be interesting to see what I was listening to two way the other day in Mark Helpren and Sean Spicer and then we're talking about and Dan, we're talking about like [SPEAKER_06]: What is he going to say in the state of the union?

[SPEAKER_06]: And at first I met kind of well by that and I was like, yeah, all the things you just mentioned, the borders closed, crime is down in places where they're running these raids.

[SPEAKER_06]: We've deported this many people, this many people have self deported.

[SPEAKER_06]: We know tax on tips, whatever, you know, we passed this tax cut.

[SPEAKER_06]: That the big beautiful bill was the most partisan Republican.

[SPEAKER_06]: Bill passed and like, I don't know, 15 years.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't know, oh, yeah, what's I about welfare reform again?

[SPEAKER_06]: We're talking about SNAP and how many people are on SNAP again.

[SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, these are big things.

[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, what is he going to say about healthcare?

[SPEAKER_06]: And Sean was like, well, I mean, he has like a free market approach to it.

[SPEAKER_06]: We just don't have consensus in the Republican party.

[SPEAKER_06]: And that's going to be the issue.

[SPEAKER_06]: And so I hope that we can get someone, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: We need to like build more and we need to do healthcare.

[SPEAKER_07]: And yeah, I think health care is going to be a big one.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I think it's also educating people.

[SPEAKER_07]: on the issue with the ACA and how much of a failure it is and the fact that I find it very interesting that the Democrats are always really like grippy about insurance companies and putting money into the pockets of health insurance companies and you got these mundani, not mundani, oh my gosh, the other guy, Luigi, Mangione, you know, but the fact is that [SPEAKER_07]: It is the ACA, the Democrat ACA that was voted on only by Democrats that has increased these costs and they have been covering it up with subsidies.

[SPEAKER_07]: So like maybe in someone's pocket it's not more expensive.

[SPEAKER_07]: But it is because of the credits and the subsidies that are being paid directly to the insurance company and how much their profits have increased.

[SPEAKER_06]: So spare me, you know what I [SPEAKER_06]: I think that still we are so divided on like messaging right now, Republicans think less and ever before here would Democrats.

[SPEAKER_06]: Think and say, because the means like the main everybody, nobody trust the mainstream media anymore.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it used to be that conservatives could hear out their left, but then we.

[SPEAKER_06]: had our own thing going on to with Fox and stuff and like the left really has no idea.

[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_06]: Like the left is so convinced that they won the government shutdown and the right is pretty convinced and I'm more I'm more so think that the right is winning that from a polling perspective just from the sheer fact that House Democrats crossed over and voted to reopen the government.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, if this winning issue for them, they wouldn't have done that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think the six house Republicans didn't then eight Senate Democrats.

[SPEAKER_06]: So, I don't know, like, I think that there's kind of something there.

[SPEAKER_06]: I just wonder, like how much of this is, I don't know, how much of the infighting is making us think that it's all over for Trump, and it's not.

[SPEAKER_06]: And how much of this is just like, we don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what anybody in the middle thinks.

[SPEAKER_06]: I think the right has way more than we do.

[SPEAKER_07]: No, I completely agree with you.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think we're flying blind a little bit.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there have been some recent polls and stuff that you know, Trump is underwater and everything, but then also at the same time, it's like, how much do you trust these polls?

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, I really feel like we're flying a little blind.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I do know that, you know, the president is someone [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know, Trump whispers can relate to or understand or someone who's consuming him consistently and analyzing him, kind of like, can decode what he's saying and seize what's the word I'm looking for patterns of behavior and can kind of see what to expect down the road versus if you're an independent or even if you're like a normie that's not really paying attention and all you're getting is these snippets.

[SPEAKER_07]: he's off putting and you know especially on the immigration issue if you're especially listening to a mostly mainstream media and I say that like I don't think there's I'm not a hundred percent sure there's a hard it's he is done for or we're absolutely winning I really don't know I don't think it's that simple especially because we're so divided right now and you know there's a lot of people at a single [SPEAKER_06]: And so if the Democrats can make health care that single issue, then it becomes, you know, it's much more of an uphill battle, but you know what I also think too, I'm just saying about this now because what you were saying is so true about like how they always look for one specific group of people and like how can we bring this one specific group of people up.

[SPEAKER_06]: Most people get insurance through their employer, and they don't really deal, like, yeah, the cost is rising for the employer, but they don't really pass that down to the employee.

[SPEAKER_06]: There's a very specific group of people who don't have healthcare, and that group is less than when the affordable care out just passed because of the, because of Medicaid expansion and stuff.

[SPEAKER_06]: So people who are self-employed, who tend to be a Republican, you know?

[SPEAKER_06]: And now, or maybe going a little bit more towards the left, some of these things, if they're mad about the tariffs, if they're mad about health care, all these things.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, it's the idealists who want just the idea of everyone to have health care as if that means we're all healthy.

[SPEAKER_06]: And then the very specific group of people who.

[SPEAKER_06]: are self-employed and have to buy their own health insurance and know it's way more expensive.

[SPEAKER_07]: Which most of them were actually very upset about the ACA in general, especially in the beginning.

[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.

[SPEAKER_06]: So we make a couple of reforms to that.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, do you think that I'm curious what you think about this?

[SPEAKER_06]: Do you think that we're still in an age of like idealism where we...

[SPEAKER_06]: This is just how it should be.

[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like we're kind of out of that.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think people are becoming, especially like average people are becoming more realistic on things.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: So, and I think...

[SPEAKER_07]: And that's why I'm saying like the messaging matters.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think people because they don't trust the media and because they don't trust the institutions.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think if you're honest with your messaging and are skilled in explaining the issues, people are more open to it now versus back in the day where they just wanted like a simple message.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like I really do, I think people are a little bit more open to it because we've become much more open to like, [SPEAKER_07]: do your own research or investigate yourself for questioning narratives.

[SPEAKER_07]: And so I think if you if you are much more skilled in the explanation of what your end goal is and how we need to go through these steps to get there.

[SPEAKER_07]: And you're honest and you're not just saying, oh, the economy is great.

[SPEAKER_07]: When people aren't feeling it is, I think that is much more [SPEAKER_07]: people more susceptible to that than if you're just like a zombie repeating the same message because that's what the previous administration did.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like everybody like a bunch of lemmings just kept repeating the same message and then making things up to cover up what we all were seeing with our own eyes.

[SPEAKER_07]: So it is very important to me and I think it's very important that this administration does not repeat the same thing.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm a little concerned after that interview [SPEAKER_06]: Then interview concerns me, but if you look at like, I don't know, if you look at what his surrogates think, I don't know, I don't know.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't like if, oh, the gas lighting was bad.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think it's nearly as bad as the Biden's.

[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe I'm not.

[SPEAKER_07]: But I'm just saying like, no, I completely agree with you.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just saying like, I see signals.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I really before it becomes an issue, I want the correction.

[SPEAKER_07]: hear me and that's why I'm mentioning it now versus I'm just going to keep saying oh he's like everything's great everything's awesome and like no absolutely not so okay I want to wrap us up but I want to wrap us up because I want to share this video and I think it's really funny okay okay [SPEAKER_07]: All right, do you have time for it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Less, yeah, okay, all right.

[SPEAKER_07]: So MSNBC, I've keep saying MSNBC, and no, they still are MSNBC, but they're launching their rebrand of MSNOW for Ms.

Now, depending on like, I think Ms.

Now is way better than MSNOW.

[SPEAKER_07]: Also, when I first saw it, I immediately thought about, I was like, MS is in like multiple sclerosis, like right now.

[SPEAKER_07]: That was the first thing that popped into my head, but yeah, I don't, who did we bring a little on that?

[SPEAKER_07]: They put out a new promo ad for their rebrand and the Washington Free Beacon did this amazing edit because it was revealed that because remember MSNBC is the most progressive they used to have Joy Bayhart or not Joy Bayhart.

[SPEAKER_07]: They used to have Joy Reed, she's gone and all of their primary most famous anchors are all they're all white.

[SPEAKER_07]: So MSNBC hired [SPEAKER_07]: diversity like people like of color and the Washington Freebeacon did this cut breaking it down and I think it is absolutely hilarious.

[SPEAKER_07]: So I have to share it with everyone.

[SPEAKER_07]: I really hope you guys are watching it and if you're not watching, take the time to find it on our YouTube channels so you can watch this along with us because I thought it was freaking hilarious.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I love the United States.

[SPEAKER_07]: Skiing?

[SPEAKER_07]: I don't even know what this is.

[SPEAKER_07]: This is embarrassing.

[SPEAKER_07]: States.

[SPEAKER_08]: So I'm free!

[SPEAKER_07]: and he keeps going like that.

[SPEAKER_07]: The entire video is just breaking down like all the different actors that are in the video MS now.

[SPEAKER_07]: I just realized that it wasn't, are you seeing it?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, you are seeing it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_07]: Sorry.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's, that this was every single person that is in this ad that is a minority, a person of color, like whatever what have you.

[SPEAKER_07]: It's not, [SPEAKER_06]: you know it's funny because we are complaining about what we're not liking out of this administration but we have to remember where we would be if this administration is not in because it would all they would still be gaslighting us that that it that would still be every commercial.

[SPEAKER_06]: We would not get the city so we need jeans add we would not get we would not get like [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I just think it's hilarious because MSNBC, you're supposed to be like one of the most progressive networks, totally pro DEI.

[SPEAKER_07]: They have, I mean, when Trump has made his reforms in regards to DEI, which by the way is another thing that the administration promise and deliver it on.

[SPEAKER_07]: They have been freaking out, hair on fire.

[SPEAKER_07]: Trump doesn't want you to know about racism or slavery, which is absolutely not the case.

[SPEAKER_07]: And they go in the launch of rebrand and they [SPEAKER_07]: their platform or their network is lacks so much diversity that they have to hire actors.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, it, no, it, it, it, it, it, watching that.

[SPEAKER_06]: The fact that they wouldn't found all of the old ads, the Washington Free Beginner, I think, is hilarious.

[SPEAKER_06]: And isn't that, doesn't that finally it's something where it's like, we need to hire these type of actors?

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know, that's what we could be.

[SPEAKER_06]: That's where we could be at.

[SPEAKER_06]: We could have another five million illegal immigrants in by now, other than the 20 million that came in and still have all these DEI ads.

[SPEAKER_06]: So we have to understand where we are.

[SPEAKER_06]: We should be happy.

[SPEAKER_07]: I know we've come a long way.

[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we got a long way to go, but we have come a long way.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I'm going to go ahead and wrap us up for today's episode.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you so much for hanging out with me today.

[SPEAKER_07]: You guys Rachel will be back on Tuesday, but let's look if Amanda a little round of applause for hanging out with me.

[SPEAKER_07]: How are you?

[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for having me to park with something other than, you know, well, I was like, I'm glad I have takes.

[SPEAKER_06]: I was worried I wouldn't have them, but I'm glad I have some.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we talk about this on back channels and stuff like that all the time.

[SPEAKER_07]: And I especially wanted to talk to you because I know I was like, you're consuming other stuff that I am not consuming.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, I want to hear the take.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like, because I want to know, like, am I crazy?

[SPEAKER_07]: Am I just [SPEAKER_07]: Like, I don't think I'm pretty like stuck in my, you know, what we'd be considered to over-traditionalist boomer-esque type.

[SPEAKER_06]: No, yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: I was like, we're not.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.

[SPEAKER_07]: Thank you very much.

[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think I'm like a gripper either.

[SPEAKER_06]: So maybe we're like the kind of like the middle.

[SPEAKER_07]: I've always joked this racial night joke about this all the time.

[SPEAKER_07]: We're like, look, I am.

[SPEAKER_07]: Like if you're coming to listen to this podcast or to subscribe to my sub stack, because I'm going to come up with some off the wall out there conspiracy or I'm going to neatly jump on some bandwagon because everybody is doing that you're not going to find it and I'm never going to re-rich because of it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, I see her say this is this is where it is and I'm okay with that so.

[SPEAKER_07]: But we're gonna, we'll see how it progresses.

[SPEAKER_07]: I think goodness, I enjoy it because otherwise, why else would I be here?

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, first of all, thank you so much.

[SPEAKER_07]: I had some words fun.

[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_07]: So if you're interested in joining one of her retreat Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're I am promowing it.

[SPEAKER_07]: I'm not 100% sure but go check out her Instagram profile I'm sure she has it up there somewhere.

[SPEAKER_07]: She's so much better at doing like promo than I am I share that meme one time like Rachel comes into a room and she wants to talk to everyone and I have like my sunglasses and I don't want to make [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_07]: All right.

[SPEAKER_07]: Well, thanks, friends.

[SPEAKER_07]: So here's a reminder that the media is trash and we have no tolerance for it.

[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_07]: Bye