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Hello and welcome to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.

I'm Maggie Bowles and.

I'm Ryan Tillotson.

We are looking behind the scenes and mining for clues as we meet the casting creators of the Hulu original series Only Murders in the Building.

Today on the show, we're talking all about the season four finale, My best Friend's wedding.

We'll hear from jin Jane, John and JJ.

What a lineup.

Wow.

That's Jin Ha who plays Marshall p Pope Slash Rex Bailey, Jane Lynch who plays sas Pataki, showrunner, co creator and co writer of this episode, John Hoffman, and JJ, Philbin who co wrote the episode with John.

Jin John, Jayne and JJ.

We'll talk about the movie Magic that made the emotional scene between Saz and Marshall possible, putting Mabel in peril, and the triumphant return of Jam.

But first a quick recap and listeners.

There are spoilers for episode ten, So if you haven't watched Hip Pause, go watch Come Right Back.

Episode ten.

My best Friend's Wedding.

Sas voiceover opens up the episode, we see her tap in for Charles and jump off a building.

Charles and Oliver realize that Mabel is trapped in her new apartment with the man formerly known as Marshall p Pope, and he says he'll kill her if they come near them.

We're gonna call him Rex from now on because he's confusing.

Rex admits he killed Saz and Glenn Stubbins.

Mabel convinces him to keep her alive, at least long enough to help him.

With the script.

Charles and Oliver decide that the only way to get to Mabel is to scale the Ledge, so they go to Vince's apartment to get as close as possible, and all the way they run into Loretta, who so she has to move to New Zealand.

For the show.

Charles lee the way on the ledge and Oliver joins him.

They Merenguey to Mabel's window at the same time Vince and Rudy ring the doorbell to distract Rex so that Mabel can let Charles and Oliver in.

Once they get inside, Charles grabs Eva Longoria's nineteen and one multi tool, and Oliver manages to get the gun from Rex, and we learned how and why he killed Sas.

Apparently Rex's writing career was not going well, but his dedication inspired Saz to write a screenplay of her own.

After he read it, he lied and told her it's no good, and so he took a copy to give her notes.

Then he sent it out and he says he just wanted an agent and that he didn't expect it to get greenlit and fast tracked.

But Saz found out and confronted him and told him she was going to tell Charles.

So Rex decided he had to kill Saz.

He knew about the dudeenoff apartment from the B story and says a script that he cut.

He shot her through the window, then scaled the ledge and threw her body down the trash chute.

So soon back in Mabel's apartment, Rex parkours.

He gets the gun back and it looks like it's the end for the trio, but then he's shot jan Jan Jan got him from Charles's apartment.

She's been hiding out in the walls the whole time.

Three weeks.

Now that they know that Sas wrote the script and Rex is gone, Charles, Mabel, and Oliver decide to get a little bit more involved in the movie.

Then it's the wedding.

It's beautiful.

Charles brings Saz's ashes, Dicky and Will walk Loretta down the aisle.

Sweet Loretta tells Oliver he should stay in New York while she goes to New Zealand.

And then a woman approaches Charles and Mabel to ask for their help in finding her husband, and Charles tells her the only new merdgers in the building, but she says her husband has everything to do with the building.

What Loretta leaves.

They wrap up the podcast and then they find Lester dead in the fountain.

Lester right, Oh my god, Lester, Lester call nine one one.

Last time.

My god.

No, yes, thank you for calling nine one one.

There are seventy two emerging you that had a yode.

We were so, so so lucky because the amazing Chanin Lynch agreed to talk to us one more time after the finale.

After we watched episode ten, We're like, we have to talk to you because it was such a great episode.

You were so fantastic.

Yeah, we got like, we got such an emotional side of Saz that we had never really seen before.

And it was you know, John had kind of teased it to us.

He's like, just wait where, just wait till you see sort of what's coming this season for Saz, And he was right.

So we really loved that.

Absolutely good.

Yeah.

I thought it was just it was a delight to do.

I was.

The whole season was just you know, mostly a surprise.

I didn't know what was going to happen.

And then when we got to that final episode.

We also get some voiceover from Saz in this episode, which I loved.

I loved hearing her like perspective on making a movie.

Everyone's together to tell a story.

Oh and we learned that your stunt double for the jump off the building was the same actor that played Slim Pataki.

Yeah, my dad, Yeah, I loved it.

It was so meta, It was so weird, especially when Eugene was on set.

So here, Eugene Levy.

So you have Steve Martin, then you have me playing a stunt double dress just like him.

Then you have.

Eugene Levy playing him in the movie looking just like Steve Charles and then you have our stunt double and I forget his first name, but he did everything for me.

He did all my stunts, and so at one point all four of us were together and we took a picture.

Oh I love it.

That's so great.

So one of the really cool things we get both in episode nine and episode ten is we get to see Sas on set doing her thing.

Like in nine we see her being a mentor and sort of stunt coordinating, and then ten we actually see her do a stunt, jumping off that building, jumping off the building, tapping in for Charles.

Yeah, what was it like filling in that sort of like dimension for Saz.

Well, it's you know, she is powered by this job, everything about it.

She takes everything seriously about it.

So it was really fun to inhabit that.

You know, she sits in the same apple box.

She's always ready to go.

She's like in a position which is ready to get up.

Tap in and they have their thing that they do, you know, where she taps with the right, pushes with the left, and we've got like this choreography that we worked out and for her it's almost like militaristic and her loyalty to him is almost like her.

Her loyalty to her commanding officer.

She talks about throughout this season, about the importance of her number one and she is just fiercely loyal.

And I think that's what's revealed throughout the season that you know, Charles Steve Martin's character maybe doesn't even know, you know, some of it.

It's news to him what she endured for him, the injuries, how it was all about for her, her devotion to him, And I think he found that just kind of a surprise and so touching.

And you can see, I mean, his acting and this is just brilliant and yeah, so that was really fun.

Who would have thunk it would go that deep in that, you know?

Yeah, well, yeah, and he does.

He appreciates the movie so much more when he discovers that you wrote it, that it was done and out of this love.

You know, it's very beautiful.

Yeah, and it makes a lot of sense knowing that Saz is actually the one who wrote Yeah, and of course it was very good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I like how she has such humility and it's something she's not an expert at.

So when she gives it to Gin because she thinks that he's you know, he's the expert, and she really you know when he says, you know, she really listens to because she's that humble.

She doesn't assume she knows anything about this, and she wants to learn.

And you know, of course he took advantage of that nice spirit, Rex, nice have a seed?

Oh should I call you, Marshall?

The list of suspects wasn't long, but you were the only person islight see the script.

Sas this just got out of hands so quickly.

I wanted to tell you, but no you didn't.

You told me the script was bad and then you stole it from me.

You know me, I can take a hit.

Nearly lost the leg during Police Academy seven.

But this I love that.

I love that scene.

This is Jinha.

He plays Rex Bailey and Marshall p Pope, the murderously ambitious stuntman and writer that killed Saz and Glenn Stubbins.

I mean, right, like, in addition to everything about this job has been not just pinched me, but like slap me dreams, you know, like in addition to every element of performance in preparation that we've talked about, like we're not even talking about the people that I got to work with, because that seems like it's already a given and we know all of those things.

This is incredible group of people.

And then on top of all of that, like to then have scenes with Jane Lynch, and not only like Needy scenes with Jane Lynch was such a good and the nicest person and the warmest and so easy to play with and like to assume that history and that relationship with her.

And then the funny thing is.

That two days maybe before I had to, we were shooting that scene.

I got COVID.

So then, but Jane lives in California and so she had a very like a narrow window to shoot, and so they shot.

Both of us had to shoot that scene without each other.

Yeah, it's I mean, it's kind of amazing how they did it, and kudos to both of our stand ins.

They were amazing.

And so both of us had to on that Like Friday, I think Jane shot and Jane shot with my stand in and he had to he had memorized my lines.

And then essentially it was okay with like you know, over the shoulder, like dirty coverage or whatever, like clean coverage.

It was okay with that but there were a couple of like wide shots I think you see where like I entered the building, I entered their apartment for the first time when I was there a couple of days later, or however many days later, working with her stand in.

She had memorized her lines, but then also had to memorize them the gestures and the movements that Jane had done to match it, Like, for example, if it's something over her shoulder, like the director would coming to like where the script supervisor would be like, well, she actually put her hand out like this and this moment, or like did some gesturing, So just make sure to do that on that line.

I remember that wide shot where we're entering.

It was kind of incredible, what a video village they were able to do it with the d T because they were We did a take with both of our stand in, you know, at different different times, and then they were able to super pose like split screen me and Jane with like a shadow of our stand ins, so that we could see like, oh, how well can we time out us walking down the steps into the living room.

And it didn't take that many tries, thankfully, but it was like, oh, you're you're walking down a little too soon, or like as you're walking down, just take a little bit.

More time, so you kind of land at the same time on the couch.

But we were able to see it on the monitors and then like try it again.

It was it was kind of amazing, and I was watching her monitors to to see the take and then essentially build my performance around that.

Yeah, so movie magic right there.

Truly, you would have no idea, like that scene is so powerful and to know that you guys weren't even there to get.

So I'm so glad to hear that.

But it really was, like, yeah, it was.

It was another one of those experiences of this is so typical, like this is so peak, like movie magic, as you were saying, and that I got to experience.

I mean, you know, it was obviously like ideally I would have loved to have been in the scene and the room with her and worked on that, but I was so excited to like witness this technology happening, you know, in real time.

And also I found out it was like in tradition of the show as well.

I think Michael had had to do similar things in season one or something because he was called out and like you think he told me it was the first time when they interview him about the Dead Cat.

That was actually like he was on the couch and I think Steve and Marty maybe were like on iPads or something.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I was like, Okay, I'm happy to uh have carried on this rich.

You know, this tradition.

Wow.

Wow.

The standards really were the heroes they were.

They were fantastic, unbelievable.

That's amazing.

Yeah, he got COVID.

Yeah, yeah, yep, right at the right at the end.

There we're back now with Jane Lynch.

Yeah, and you know, his his stand in, and I wish I could remember his name, but.

He was great.

He was really good, you know.

I mean it wasn't an actor, but he learned the lines.

And the same thing happened with my stand in.

She learned the lines, so you know, jin had somebody to act with.

We didn't have each other, but we we had acted together before and other scenes.

So but yeah, I think it was just a happy accident, especially for those stand ins.

I mean, they really got it.

You know, they got some good strokes for being able to do what they did, which was great.

But I of course would have rather shot the scene with Jin.

Yeah, we talked to him the other day.

He's lovely.

Yeah, that's a great guy, not at all a murderous psychopath in real.

Life, big surprise.

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being a psychopath.

Or well, can can you just tell us about shooting this scene where you ask him to come over for a drink?

I mean, i mean obviously he wasn't there, but I'm just curious, like, can you can you just what was the process like doing it with a stand in?

Well, the scene itself, you know, it was kind of the the climax to her code of ethics.

You know, she she is all about devotion and following the rules, doing things the right way in order to protect you know, it's militaristic almost.

It's like she's a good she's a good soldier.

And then he jin with Marshall slash Rex I think she called him Rex.

He betrayed her and she's never been betrayed before, and she would never it's not even in her her you know her, the way she operates, it's it's the worst possible thing that you can do to another person is to betray them and she's kind of guileless.

She's very trusting and yeah, very earnest, and she doesn't judge like she loves Amy Ryan's character even though she's a murderer and you know it kind of turns her on and everything.

But I mean, even Jan operates from ethics that are kind of line up with Uh, says is you know, you're even if it's about murdering, you stay true to your mission.

And he didn't do that.

He uh, he betrayed me.

And so as we're shooting that scene.

When I saw that scene, it was the probably something she has never experienced in her life, and she's completely thrown by it and she's going to tell him what you know, she's gonna And you know what I love about it the stand in as well as Jin the actor.

You know, there was a shame but not enough, right, Yeah.

Not enough.

His ambition was greater, whereas you know, for says that that would be flipped.

Her ambition was not greater than she would never betray somebody and you know, to to achieve a goal.

Yeah, And what I also just really loved about that scene is it's so emotional, but at the same time there's this moment where you say I have dreams too, I want to open my trampoline market in New Jersey, and he goes huh huh, and then and then never never, it's still mind.

It still has this humor, but it's so funny.

I suppose in that moment you thought maybe he's going to steal that idea too.

I don't know, yeah that I kind of I think I played it as yeah, and then he would steal it.

But I think what I played it at as was like, don't you dare make fun of me for my.

But that's a good if you got that.

I think I kind of like that.

That's an even Scott, don't you steal this idea, the trampoline park idea.

I just love that moment.

It was absolutely great.

This is mine.

I hadn't even told Charles yet.

I wanted to ask his permission before I tried to sell it.

Do you see the mess you've made here?

I do?

But this movie is this is my dream.

I had a dream too.

I had the dream to sell my script and build a trampoline park in New Jersey?

What never?

The fuck you mind?

Who says if you say something about this, I'll never live it down with my dad, with anyone.

I don't know what I'll do if this gets out.

After the break, John Hoffman and JJ Philbin tell us about Rex Bailey's backstory and try to list all nineteen functions of Eva Longoria's nineteen and one multi.

Tool Welcome Back.

When we talked to Ben Smith and Alex Bigelow, we learned that the timing of Marshall's reveal was a point of discussion.

JJ Philbin and John Hoffman co wrote this episode.

Here's JJ.

Yeah, I remember having a lot of conversations around whether he was going to be revealed at the end of nine or at the top of ten.

And then we were really loving the idea that Mabel was kind of marooned with him in her apartment and that we and that Charles and Oliver have no you know, that they don't know that yet, and then we can kind of start ten with them realizing, oh my gosh, she's with the killer and looking out that window and seeing him there.

It was like who.

It was really fun when we talked about about that.

Yeah.

Yeah, we hadn't put Meryl up, Merril, we hadn't put Mabel alone in peril.

I don't think in that way, uh before.

So yeah, yeah, as far.

As I see, Yeah, Mabel in peril is Meryl.

Yeah, that's the.

Connection exactly, Yeah, exactly.

But I was watching not to be talking about nine because I know we're this is the ten conversation.

I know.

Well, it's only because I just watched it the other night, and it's that look that Jim gives, like when he turns and looks at Mabel and you're going to terrifying, Oh my god, and it's suddenly this new color from him that you haven't seen all season long, and it is it's it's chilling in the best possible way.

Definitely, Yeah, I was.

I I guess I was like, I don't I didn't know what he was going to do.

I felt like I didn't believe that he was going to kill her, but also he killed I guess, I don't know's I know, I know, and I didn't want to.

He feels so innocent.

He was going to keep an innocent guy.

And then I think that was it.

Just to say there was one moment when we were shooting ten and it was like, after a whole season of watching Jin Hovey fantastic as Marshall and falling all over the place because of his blown off heel, but the idea that he was actually raised to be a killer like a marksman by his father and all of that, so that when we were shooting the uh stuff of him in that space stressed out, looking out the window and not being able to shoot, says in the first moment he Caesar and stressing out and then spotting her and I wish I could have described this, but like, those are those moments that are very technical, when you're shooting stuff and someone walking turning looking like they're spotting something and having to have so much going on in a quick bit of bolt of you know, I'm doing this moment.

It was chilling.

But I watched him do it, and he was flawless each time.

But I think it was after the second or third take of just him doing some different variations, each one was more perfect than the next, Jamie Babbitt yelled cut and I just went, fuck, he's good, and everybody kind of like it just came out of me.

And I think it was five minutes later.

I was over there and we were taking a moment between setting up the next shot or something like that.

And I said, jin, that was so good.

He said, no, id you say that earlier made me feel good.

But yeah, it just came bursting out, like Jesus, I'm watching the monitor and like he's really a wonderful actor.

He looked like he knew what he was doing there.

I mean, he's right.

Oh no, he is a deep diver, you know, right from the beginning.

Well, we gave him such a complex backstory.

I'm sure you know his head was spinning by the time he finished telling him about it.

Because here's someone you know, who had this really tough childhood, who wanted to be a writer, whose dad didn't believe in him, makes his way to Hollywood, but then takes this left turn into stunting and you know, then finds a way to get his script produced, but his stunt background comes back.

I mean, he probably was like, whoa, Yeah, there's a lot going on.

I couldn't do it.

It's okay, it's okay, you're killer.

You're not a killer.

You're a writer.

They're not a killer.

You're you're a writer.

You're a writer.

You're right, a writer.

Fucking not.

But maybe maybe to be a writer, I had to become a killer.

Only she didn't die.

I would like to ask about Eva Longoria's nineteen and one multi tool.

It becomes very useful.

It makes a big comeback in this in this episode when when how What was the decision between coming up with the tool and then being like, this is going to be instrumental in our story, you know what I mean?

Once I think you guys were working that out, I know, but I will only say that I will call it divine intervention because I think when the writers, when they were breaking that scene and all of that, we're imagining Steve Martin's perfect read of it's Eva Longoria's nineteen and one multi tool like that, just the threat of it behind it and the perfect comedy in the way he says that.

But yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of those things that I feel like happened so often in the room, which is something gets pitched as a joke.

We weren't thinking at all about well, what weapon can we plant in there that we won't see as a weapon but that.

We can use in the finale.

We were just having fun with that tool and talking about all of the different you know, functions that it had.

And then as we're sitting there breaking that scene in the finale, it's like, oh my my god, we did all this work that we didn't mean to do, which is now sitting there for us, which is like he can reach over and grab that so that he has a moment where he can be kind of menacing.

But it's ridiculous because you know, it's on the vibrator setting, and in our version he turned it and it started playing let's get it on, you know, then it got switched to the vibrator sound.

But that was sort of the intention of like it's a sex toy.

In that moment, it was really making us laugh, but it was just felt like it got and I feel like that happened a few times in this episode where the things that we had done throughout the season that we just did for fun or for jokes.

Of course, I can't think of one other thing right now, but I know they exist.

That said, you're like, oh my gosh, we could use that, and you have this kind of treasure trove that's accumulated over the last nine episodes that you get to pick from.

That's so fun about this one.

Well that was also great because Eva in episode eight does say one of the features of that multitool is that's a nail gun.

Nail gun so that is.

Planted and then Charles sort of using it in a way that's actually effective for a moment.

Drop the gun.

What is that?

It's Eva Longoria's nineteen and one multitool.

At least four of the settings, could.

Kidd you.

Fucking sit out, you fake bearded bastard set up?

Do you know all nineteen uses?

Can we listen?

No, but we could probably rattle off like five or six.

But yeah, it has a red light, I know that.

The auto tune, the red light recorder, the autotune recording.

Vibrator, nail again.

Yeah, I feel like you're I would buy one of those.

I hope that you should be careful to say Diana Burton again and our prop team that putting together the nineteen and one multi tool that Evil Andngoria design that is fully built and invented by our brilliant.

I'd be so curious to know how that Ela puts.

Mela, Diana Burton, I want to say, our set decorator this season, Mela was just magnificent as well.

Looking at those apartments over there, the variations that Mela found in dressing all of those sets so exquisitely in the depth of them, certainly in concert with our incredible prop department too.

They've worked miracles this season.

Okay, So in this episode we learn that Rex didn't have an accomplice and the lead was I guess his accomplice.

He was able to get there on his own and handle this all by himself, which is very impressive.

Peak physical form, peak physical form.

And we see Charles and Oliver walk the ledge and that is a very entertaining scene.

What is the dance?

Are they doing?

The fly?

I can't.

I was trying to harangue the merangue.

What's the marangue?

I said that earlier?

Okay, tell us about.

That, because the tango would have been too sexual.

Too many, it would have been too erotic.

Yes, that one, Yes, that one is is well.

First of all, I have to ask you, guys, okay, because this is a question that I have when I look at like from nine into ten, and I do wonder like people are hanging onto that.

Who's the accomplice?

Is the last twists?

That's what I thought, That's what we were thinking, right, I'm going to find out in episode ten who he was working with or who took the lead in that in some way.

So I wondered, too, was it, Oh, was it in any way disappointing because I'm like, oh, that's a setup that people could feel a little bit of a disappointment about that.

But I kind of love it because it's it's a reveal that ties into the stuntman.

Obviously.

Well, I love it because we did it.

That's what I chose.

We all chose to do, I hope, but I understand that we liked it.

But I do think that the reveal of that ledge, also obviously setting up a great both heroic and comedic set piece for our two brilliant comedians, felt right in that moment.

So, but it also felt like an answer that I don't think a lot of people will see coming.

Well, let me answer your question.

I was not disappointed at all.

I was felt dumb.

I felt dumb because I why the ledge was there the whole time?

Why didn't I think of it?

You know?

Or why didn't I guess?

I just it made me feel like I wasn't thinking hard enough.

Okay, all right, that's good, that's good.

Glad.

As you probably guessed, Jinha shot that scene where he's scaling the building on a green screen.

He did not really scale the Arcordia.

Bummer step and Marty really did go to the side of the building though, because they just it's in their contract to do all their stunts themselves.

They were really hanging up, you know, step and slide the performance.

What was what was there?

What was their dance?

Yeah, wasn't it something like that?

I got to see that from like the I was watching through the from the inside of that building like sneakly, just watching them, just seeing there.

So it's like, it's so funny.

Yeah, that was all green screen, but it was the outside like facade that they had built on the studio set and then they had built out obviously like a safety ramp.

Uh.

Yeah.

That was a lot of fun.

Though, because that's the big, really, the big reveal of this episode, because we learned that you did it in episode nine basically yeah, and so ten is like, is there an accomplice or no, he did it alone and that's kind.

Of peak physical condition.

Yeah, I was.

Yeah, that's I was curious to know like your experience watching it also without knowing what your journey was, but you just you just shared a little bit that by the end of episode nine, it's kind of clear that Marshall certainly.

Was a part or involved with it for sure.

But yeah, but it's interesting.

So I'm hearing that there were still questions though, that you had.

Even that was the big one for me, like was there an accomplice?

And I was like, it's Helga, I don't know, or something.

He never trusted Helga, but but yeah, like he needed because they lay out a whole like it's got to be two people earlier in the season and so but you're just so fit.

I was wondering the character, the character.

I was wondering if yeah, right exactly.

I was wondering if there was gonna be like one more twist with the Doubles theme, since the Doubles theme is so present in the in the season.

Yes, and Rex Bailey looks very you know, has long blonde hair instead of and so I was thinking, what if Rex Bailey and Marshall P.

P.

Hope are actually different like twin brothers.

Which would have been really cool, which.

Would have been maybe a little bit to daytime TV for only murders.

But but I was like, I don't know yet.

I'm not convinced no.

But that's that's so exciting though, that that even then there's still like open questions of like I'm still not sure because obviously, like for me, as I'm watching knowing what happens, I'm always curious, like is it so obvious?

You know what I mean?

I'm like, do people already know from the jump?

Like have is there no surprise?

But even in spite of the surprise, I mean, something brilliant about their show four seasons in now is they know what they have to try to work against every season, and they're learning more and more with every season.

And with this I feel like with this season, I feel like they did such a great job of a layering in so many different suspects but also stories and relationships.

But then obviously, like with the Dudenhoff element as well, it's a whole other long form red herring.

Yeah, and but even with Rex, the character of Rex, like that, there are still questions going into finer movements.

That's really exciting to hear.

After the break, John Hoffman has one regret, but we think it actually probably worked out for the best.

Yeah, welcome back.

We learn in the finale the truth about what happened to Saz on the night she was murdered.

Here's John Hoffman and JJ Philman.

Okay, can I tell one regret?

Sure, I would love to hear it.

You see, this is hard to admit, I honestly.

It's the one time I was like, oh, it pained me, like a week after we wrapped and everyone was gone, and usually I can have the inspiration at the last moment, holy shit, we forgot this.

We have to do this, and I don't know why.

In the writing with JJ, which can I just say publicly that how much I loved this experience writing with JJ because she saved my ass a and she was a dream co writer.

But there was a moment that I remembered thinking of for months before we wrote ten, which was and this is silly, but it's we built it for this and we didn't shoot it.

And I think it was we didn't shoot it because it wasn't in the script.

So there were many steps I forgot to put included or I thought it was included, and then I didn't realize and that it was too late.

But there was a moment that I was excited to shoot, which was post sad dying you would see Rex with Charles suit bag and over the shoulder, and now he's sliding it into the chute and then throwing himself in feet first to follow down the chute because he's a stuntman.

And I was excited to see that moment and I had it in my head for months, and somehow I missed or forgot that it wasn't in the script, and I completely until it was after the shooting, I was like, no, we don't have that shot that I was so excited about.

Oh my gosh, I feel terrible.

That's it's just a little moment when I see what's happening in the actual episode, and it's so I find it so powerful that last conversation.

In some way, I wonder if we wouldn't have cut it anyway, because the idea that she says my number one at that moment, because that's where it would have gone m and then Charles says, and then you dumped it down the trash chute like she was just garbage, and it accelerates between them again.

So I don't know who would have worked, But it was a moment that I it pained me.

I love it.

It would have been so there's something that sounds so sad about imagining sas this body in the soup bad that you know those because I worked on episode five too, which is just it's a funny thing because those these two episodes are so connected.

You know, they're imagining the murder in five and their it as two people, but you are seeing some moments that kind of that you see the real, real version of it in ten.

And when we were working on five, one of the big debates that we had was when they were simulating the murder from Dudenof's apartment, we all agreed that we wanted to have a target silhouette across the way in Charles's because the notion of it being Saz would have been so upsetting to watch.

And so it's a funny thing because in each one of those shots you kind of have to ask yourself like is it too hard?

Is it too hard?

Is it too much to see?

Even though obviously you know we saw it happen for real in ten, but there is something about the fact that we're showing how it really happened that it felt more at least like an answer to a question, like it was worth it to see her fall totally.

And I mean, I think that's a question that came up when we talked to the writers in eight right about no one wants to see the Westies put the guy in the incinerator.

Yeah, yeah, is gruesome enough.

And I think the idea at the begin, at the end of the first episode, that horror of what we land in with Charles and Mabel and Oliver there by the incinerator with those replacement joints is about as dark as we may have ever gone to the show.

So we knew we had a point that we probably didn't want to go back towards too too much.

But there are things that happen in this episode that feel a little more well not really I mean aggressive, I want to say, but it's murder.

Yeah, and it is, you know, And I think back on season one we had you know, terrible moments with Tim Kno and Jan and Tim Kno and all of that.

So we're not shy shying away from certain realities in our fantastical little show.

But yeah, this is.

The first time though, that the murderer has been murdered back he.

Deserved it, sas baby, that guy was a dick.

He had come in no I loved I know, that's the thing.

I love Jenah.

I hated watching that scene.

It's those and he was great and it it was all like shocking in many ways because I'm not a violent person.

I do not like guns.

But I will say just because of the story and what we were doing and it says, it felt right.

And then when the brilliant room that works on this show came up with this, and I remember the day, it was just like my heart just leapt at the idea that jan was in that across the way.

For three weeks, I had a feeling, Yeah I did.

I was like, I have a feeling she's in the walls right now, because like, where is she going to go?

Where else?

Why go anywhere else when you could be in the walls?

Rue?

Like, did you do?

That's the season?

I think immediately after she disappeared, I was like, there's.

So many places we saw.

How where those walls take you?

Yeah?

You know?

Did you think?

Okay, let me ask this, were you surprised by when the shot went off and or did you know the minute the shot went off, like, oh, I bet.

I had I had an inkling, an inkling I had completely forgotten about her.

By episode ten, I was like, oh.

Dub because that one feels to me like when the writers came up, I was just like, this is one of my favorite things we've ever done, like the fact that and then she's proud of it, that conversation she has with Charles after it, and I.

Just feeling I love the dumbs up.

It's just like I did it for us.

How did you get into my apartment?

I never left?

Have you been hiding in my closet for three weeks?

And the secret passageways.

I was just waiting for you to figure out the case so I could exact my revenge.

We did it together, Charles for sass.

I'm good it's seeing through tiny slits and window blinds, but I would much rather have taken Marshall out up close, you know, stabbed him through the eye with a buck knife and really mixed it around.

You know, that's that's a really mad, mad character.

But it felt very right to be.

I loved it.

It made it made us so happy because it was one of those things that you dream about.

You're like, I don't know, who knows if she'll be available, Like maybe it's too crazy, there's no way and then it's just for for us at least, it just made it makes sense so much.

It was felt like a crazy idea when we pitched back an episode two that you know, Jan comes busting through the closet, but then I don't know, having that come back to be such a big part of like the whole crime, like really it just was like it grounded it for even though it's a crazy thing, it's still like made it make sense to us.

And I also just want to say when we were shooting that one on that day, we were shooting and you know, you're in a spin of like okay, we got okay, and Amy Ryan's here.

Fantastic she's here and she was just there that day to do that and that scene afterwards.

But the first step thing was the shot and so she she came and I was like, what what are you wearing?

I hadn't seen the costume and that's unusual.

They usually send me pictures or I just maybe didn't see the pictures.

And Dana, who's so brilliant, I was like, she's put you in like what you know, a nun looks like in like like on a on a date out.

So I don't and it was like this whole thing that she was wearing, and I was like what.

And I started to then imagine like, oh, this is Dana Kole.

Rubiya is brilliant, like going to she's been in the ball.

She picked a tenant who had a provincial sort of like thing going on with her dress, and so she stole something out of there.

So I was like, Okay, I love that dress.

I wasn't at all what I was expecting, but I love it.

And then the gesture that Amy does in the window was not the favorite that was scripted.

No, I don't think so.

And I was just watching her do it and it was all her saluting like that, and I was like, what is she?

Oh my god, that's the funniest.

That's ridiculous perfect.

And then I really thought like, well, wait a minute, they may I may have I'm going to have to show this to some people.

Maybe they're going to think that's too that's too ridiculous that she would like be with such a happy face.

And like I loved it, and I was said.

Should I do we want an option?

I was thinking maybe we want an option?

And then I watched her.

I was thinking this and watched her do it two more times, and I was just like, so charing, I'm like, we don't need any options.

I want no options actually, so we have to do that.

Yeah, it was the best reveal jan showing up the only way she really knows how you know.

Yeah, Jen is a murderer, yes, but she did also save the day for our trio.

We had to ask Jane Lynch her thoughts on how things played out.

How do you feel about being avenged by Jan?

Oh?

I love it.

I mean it shows that she also operates from her own code of honor, and even though she's a you know, you know, a criminal and a murderer, she's she's she's got a code of honor.

And I really appreciate that.

So I think that up you know, where whatever heaven saz is in or the trampoline, the great trampoline park in the sky.

And that made her really happy.

Yeah, yeah, it felt very poetic.

Yeah it was.

It was just beautiful.

Yeah, just a beautiful way to end it.

I truly don't know how you make words like that are arousing.

Oh, Charles, Oh, by the way, I ate a bunch of your pirate booty.

When I was in hiding, I'll venmo you eight bucks.

Call it even for serial killing, our serial killer.

I got it.

Let's go goodbye Jam.

It's not goodbye Charles, it never is with us.

We're endgame.

That's it for today.

You do not want to miss part two this week though, because we're talking more to Jinjin, John and JJ about the wedding, the new murder, what to expect for season five Leicester.

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