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When we're blocking out the scene to see like Melissa take out Meryl Streep was like, oh my god.

We were all like, ah, like you get our Meryl Street.

Hello and welcome to the Only Murders in the Building Podcast.

I'm Maggie Bowles and.

I'm Ryan Tillotson.

We're looking behind the scenes and money for clues as we meet the cast and creators of the Hulu original series Only Murders in the Building.

Today on the show, we're talking all about season four, episode seven, Valley of the Dolls.

With your from husband and wife director team Robert Pulcini and Sherry Springer Berman, showrunner and co creator John Hoffman, Eva Longoria, and Michael Cyril Crichton.

We'll talk about Eva Longoria's special connection to Meryl Streep, bringing season four back to season one, and of course the fight.

But first a quick recap and listeners.

There are spoilers for episode seven, so if you haven't watched it, hip pause, go watch and come right back.

Episode seven, Valley of the Dolls.

The trio is in the car heading to Charles's sister's house in Long Island, where they think they'll be safe Oliver sends a breakup text Dolorretta and then turns off his phone and they tell Howard where they'll be.

Charles's sister, Doreene has a house full of dolls, So I guess you replaced your children with dolls, huh.

She and Charles have a complicated relationship because he accidentally caused her to lose her spleen as a child.

Bev Mellon shows up.

Howard told her where the trio was, and she's freaking out because the studio wants to pull the plug on the movie.

She wants to know if the brother's sisters killed anyone.

Dorene has the hots for Oliver and she starts trying to seduce him.

They get drunk on sweaty Betties.

This is mostly entirely vodka in Crystal Life.

You know, I call it a sweaty Betty named it to my dear friend also named Betty, who also happens is what like a pig.

The actors show up.

Zach escaped the hospital to come there, and they immediately start driving Mabel crazy.

Then Loretta shows up too.

Right at the moment that looks bad between Oliver and Doreen.

He got cottoner Macramy Duster.

We learned that Loretta didn't hear Oliver's profession of love because they'd given her phone to her stand in, and they make up for now.

Loretta convinces Mabel to let the actors help with the case, and Bev Mellon gets drunk.

Meanwhile, Howard is investigating the Bodiga where Dunov's checks have been cashed.

He sees each of the Westies coming in and cashing Dunov's checks.

Back in Long Island, Oliver tells Loretta about pretending to be Ronnie.

She's very upset.

Doreen is getting more and more jealous of them.

There's a big fight between Loretta and Doreen.

They tussle.

Braids are weaponized.

My god, what was an actors so light fast off?

After the fight, Loretta proposes to Oliver with a doll bracelet.

Bev, it's the movie back on track and the actors bang pots to wake up the house.

They say they've solved the case, and it goes all the way back to season one.

Thank you.

Bob Pulcini and Sherry Spinerberman directed both episodes seven and eight.

And their husband and wife like us.

I'm curious, like, did John present this episode to you and like this is what I think you guys should do, or did you guys like I want we want this one?

How did that?

How does that go?

We get gifted an episode from John, It's like he's like Santa and he's like, here, you can work with Melissa McCarthy and Meryl Street.

Shelly like, we keep it up with the editor Shelley because we had we have a long history with her, and she had at one point said, you know, John's got this episode that he conceived and he said, thank god Berman and Pulcini are doing this one.

And I said, well, what does that mean?

And she said, I don't know.

It's something about a safe house and it's like packed with people.

And I said, well, we did do this.

You know, we do have a history.

We did the safe room episode of Succession.

Once we were trapped in We're very we're very safe room oriented director, not actually have a personal safe room.

We're very unsafe, but in directing we're saved.

Logistically, there's so many people crammed into this what appears to be a little house.

I think I heard it was a set.

Well, it was a set.

Patrick who is a brilliant production designer and built us a wonderful set.

Although we did shoot all the exteriors in Long Island, I think Roslyn, Long Island, and this.

Set was very much in speed fired by the house, the exterior that we shot.

Had you seen the inside of that house?

Patrick did?

Oh?

Patrick?

Did you know?

And we had seen it a little bit.

The family was so excited to have, you know, a set built based on Yeah, they.

Were so excited.

They're so excited to see this.

I love that.

It was really fun to be out on Long Island with these people because so much of we do is kind of close to the sets, and and we would go in and we go into the Upper west Side.

Obviously, it was fun to kind of get out of town with them and bring them to a new environment and out of the city because there's all such urban heights.

But so being that it was, he built a very nice, large set for us, so it wasn't hard.

It was actually I would say, the.

Challenge are you talking about logistically?

Are you talking about because there's so many actors that are huge names to get them all in a house together.

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

Space actual physical because I have coming from independent films, I have shot in places where literally you can't fit everybody in the space.

It was challenging, but we found ways, which is why we made it a set.

We found ways to kind of make it look like they're all there, but not always all there, you know, that kind of thing.

Yes, we had to do a lot of movie magic because we didn't always have everybody on set at the same time, although there were maybe like one to two days where we had everybody on set and they were like the greatest, most fun days ever I can imagine.

I mean, you have Melissa McCarthy obviously, but then you also have Molly Shannon, who's fantastic.

That's so funny.

In this episode.

We had a history with Molly.

She was in our very first movie, American Splendor, and she had a small part.

She's I believe she's from Clevelands, you know, you know we you know, we're like, will you do this for us if you're you know, because we were shooting over I think Thanksgiving.

She's like, oh, I'll be there, you know, And she came in and did this great part for us.

And we had always hoped to work again.

It's been years, but we have we have friends in common, and it was just great to be around her.

And she's so funny.

I mean, every take is different with her.

It's never kind of you know, she doesn't kind of lock in.

It's just like, oh, let's go again and see what happens, you know, because she's going to do something completely different the next take.

The thing that was so amazing was like we were watching these comedy legends just like one upping each other, you know, and just like going at it like you know, just and then Merrill, who like is now a comedy legend apparently, like she's now moved into that territory in my opinion, and they were just having so much fun.

I mean, it's I don't I'm sure you've heard this from every body who works on this show, but it is.

It is like ridiculously fun and you just pinch yourself, like is this really a job?

Like I can't believe I have the pleasure of being here.

There was something very funny, which is the scene where Molly.

Is drunk and.

Kills everybody tells off Bryl and can I want some drink water?

Okay?

Mom?

Fuck you TV?

Actor, you know my work work.

Let me sum up the quality of your acting ability in one word.

It was the funniest thing because Selena could not and she's sort of on the edge of the shop watching and she just couldn't.

Not like we all were laughing so hard, but she just she broke every take and she turned her back and I was like, you know what, She's like, actually, can't make it through the take.

I just can't do it.

And I was like, you know what, you don't like actors either, right, so you think this is your character not simply to go.

Mabel is like annoyed by these actors who think that they can solve the case.

So you would be laughing at her teeling off, so let's just go with it.

So she was like, oh god, yes, it's a good that's the way to do it, because it was impossible to make it through that take without laughing.

Oh my gosh.

She was so funny, so funny.

I remember she did one take like maybe the first tick was a little bit like not you know, not a subtle, quiet take, but not like where she could go.

And John was like, we gotta rever up, and I'm like, don't worry she's gonna get rev by like take three.

It was like just crazy and hysterical, and and then we just kept going, We're like, go, let's do it again, you know, and it was and every time she killed it.

Can't take it anymore, bro, I'm done with Hollywood, middle child, single moment, no high hill, right with the great Bucker.

See, I was.

I was just so excited to work with Eugene Levey and I you know, I grew like sc TV.

I kind of have this little mental checkbox of how many of them I've worked with, you know, in my in my career, and I had never worked with Eugene Levy and he was everything I would hope he would be.

And Zach and Eva were great.

I mean, it was so it was so fun.

She's so funny, so funny.

We had so much fun with her.

I mean it just again, it was like one of those jobs where it's not a job.

It's like, this is too much fun.

Everybody is so amazing.

That's what it.

Sounds like that everyone says, yeah, that sounds incredible.

When I found out it was Eugene Levey and Zach gallipanak is, I mean, day one on set, we all are scenes together.

It was like it was we were this trio.

That's the voice of Eva Longoria.

Of course she plays Eva Longoria, who plays.

Mabel, and so we spent a lot of time together.

And Zach is the greatest guy in the world, Like I love that man so much.

And you know, Eugene is just a genius and you just watch you know, and he's old friends with Steve and Marty.

They're very old friends, and so they all have stories.

So just listening to them on set was really fun.

But like us as a trio, we we had so much, so much fun, and we were talking about war stories and different shows that we've done.

And because all of us were directors, you know, we traded a lot of we traded a lot of directing stories of like when I directed this, and oh when I directed this, and they're like, oh my gosh.

So so that was really a treat to really, you know, all the other days we're like this crazy day of all these amazing actors and people pop in and out and in and out.

But me and Zach and Eugene kind of became really really close, and I feel like there's a show, there's a spinoff to be had there.

Yeah, when you guys are solving your own murders.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I love it.

Oh that's so great.

Oh my god, I love that.

Only murders in the building, the Hollywood version, you know, only murders.

Yeah, in the industry.

I don't know.

I'm trying to think of weather.

Title.

The industry.

Oh my god.

Let's pitch it to John Hoffman.

Let's pitch it.

We will talk about the actors and their murder board or murder wall later on, but first we have to talk about Melissa McCarthy.

We knew she was going to be in this season from the trailer and the poster, but this episode exceeded even our wildest imaginings.

Here's John Hoffman.

I just could eat her up right.

I just love her so much.

And Melissa McCarthy.

There was a moment gosh, I think it was second season, and there was a moment where we were trying to get Melissa on the show at some point and then she was.

It didn't work out, you know, but we had a great connection in that moment.

So when this part came up, we really were thinking, like, we want to make a feast for a great comedic actress and then calling her about this part, and she's been such a lovely fan of the show and has gotten her kids and her family are all into it.

They buy sweatshirts with only Murders in the building that she gives a Christmas and that she really is that person.

So I'm like, oh, okay, we got to try and make something happen.

So I was hopeful that she might be interested in doing it.

But to walk her through her character, I just said, okay, so your name is Doreen and she said I'm in and I was like what, and she said, I love the name.

I'm in.

I'm like, waite, okay, wait, hold on.

Then I started going beat by beat and saying, you're Charles's sister.

When you were three, he pushed you on a swing and you had to lose your so he feels very guilty about that.

She says, I'm in, and then it kept going and going and going and going till the point when we got into the wild moment between Madam merrow Street and Madam Melissa McCarthy.

That is one for.

The ages, absolutely one for the ages.

You didn't see it coming.

What did you do?

Did you have a sense.

I can't say that I ever expect, not at all.

I mean, I can see the tension that was building, but I did not think it was going to build into a fight.

No, absolutely not.

And I fall on like, can I share about that a little bit?

Oh please?

That is a big question.

It was one of the great days.

That whole episode in every way was such a mind blower just looking everyone on set was looking around at everyone on set, and we were all sort of like, this is like an unbelievable collection of spectacularly brilliant talent and all of us in the same amazing set that Patrick Howe and his team built for that long Island home.

But when we got to doing that scene, that particular fight scene, Merrill and Melissa were there, and you know, our great stunt team led by Chris Barnes, had put together for like a week before that, working with stunt doubles to do what was funny versions of it.

We would look at versions of it and all of that's but until we got there on the day, Marilyn Melissa were there and I said, okay, you two come over here, look at what Chris Barnes has done, and let's see what we can start mapping out for this and see how we shoot it and how we can achieve this.

And they watched it and they both mutually looked at each other and they said yeah, uh uh, and I was like what and they both went yet no, No, I'm like no, like no it it needs to go about ten times.

I's farther.

And I was like, okay.

And then they started working this out, the two of them, the two of them Wow.

And I watched and Meryl suggest throwing herself in a total somersault over this couch on her neck, falling down.

The whole thing was all mapped out by them.

And then I'm going to grab your duster and I'm going to kick you in the face with my like and then you're gonna go over that way.

We're gonna have to scream.

We're gonna pull off your braid.

The whole thing was them putting it together.

And each time I was like, Meryl Streep is going to break her neck on our set, Like that's what's going to happen, And it really could have happened, but there was no stopping either one of them, and they were I just loved watching that process and everyone around Selena Gomez, those reactions of just like, oh, oh my god, like it was all real.

We have maybe one glimmer of a shot of a stunt double just for a later shot we got, but that is all them the whole time.

And they did it several times and I was like, I we were holding our breath each time, but because we never knew what we're going to get, but they kept it tight.

But they really.

Built that thing.

Like, honestly, Meryl Streep could be a stun person.

If she didn't, you know, it wasn't the greatest actress of all times.

Now back to directors Sherry and Bob.

Like she was incredible, like flailing around and her Melissa really were amazing.

I mean, Melissa, we know is an amazing physical comedian and together it was just everybody.

After every take that they did it, there was like a standing ovation from the cast and.

Crew who was all watching while you guys are the shooting.

Hats, there were people coming down.

I've never had this on any show that I've ever done, or any movie I've ever made, where we actually had people who were like working on the show, who came to set who were like, we can't.

We got to see Meryl Street McCarthy.

I would be there in a second.

So we had an audience.

It was like a play.

We had like a full audience, and after every take they got like like people were dying laughing, somebody was crying.

There was someone who's crying.

It was like, I can't believe I'm seeing this.

It was insane and they had so much fun with it.

I can't even tell you.

So ultimately that you ended up not using the stunt people at all.

They wanted to do every bit, like.

Only after it was all in the can you know to kind of they were like, okay, can you do what they did?

People copied them so that we could get other people's coverage, So we make Melissa and Meryll do the stunt thirty times, right, So so the STU people did it, as you know, for us to get coverage, but the actual stuff they on it themselves, Wow, and wouldn't have it any other way.

There was no convincing them otherwise.

Amazing.

I mean, I knew, I feel like I knew Melissa would be would totally do that, But it's a surprise that Meryl is on board for that kind.

Of surprising to me.

It's not no, no, she's all she was like, I'm dying to do this, I'm doing it, and that was it.

It was, that's so cool, and you know what she was really kicking Melissa's ass.

Well, when Melissa walks out with the braid with the braids on, I just like completely lost it.

And I also think that contributed to her losing the fight, yes.

Because she got the braids.

We we just we discussed it and that comes that.

One of the ideas I had from my move that I loved, uh Valley of the Dolls is there's a very famous scene where one of the leads pulls off the other leads wig and like starts running around with it and like throws it in the toilet.

And so it was like, Okay, we're gonna use the these braids as part of the fight, and that sort of is an homage to Valley the Dolls.

I love that.

And Zach and Eva were great.

I mean, it was so it was so fun again stuff that like we couldn't use all of it, but we did their intervening and the fighting.

You know, their reactions to the fight, you know, it was hysterical, you know, just seeing them screaming on the side and.

Yes, yeah, Eva screaming Gale Gail, Yes, And she was so good at that.

I'm like, wow, you must really watch, like, you know, she knew every detail.

She was perfect.

Hey, great, you got a You're gonna get your handed it for total.

Eliadison and Charro.

We asked Evil Angoria if she had ever pictured herself screaming kill into the face of Meryl Streep and Melissa McCarthy.

Nope, not in my wildest acting dreams.

What I have imagined a scene like this and then Melissa with this crazy wig and this like was it long Island accent?

I mean, it was just she was just you know, she's a genius, but like she always constantly reinvents herself in every role, and you just go like, you're I just can't, I can't with you.

It was definitely a surreal pinch me moment because not only it was like all these amazing comedic actors Eugene Lady and Zach Galavanakis and Meryl Streep and Melissa McCarthy and uh and myself now and I mean that house and Steve and Marty and Selena, and it was like, not only was it like, oh my god, we're all acting together, but we are all in the green.

We're all on set.

Nobody goes back to their to their I would say, trailers.

Nobody goes back to their dressing room.

Nobody does not hang out on set like it was just the conversations.

Offset too was like, really, you know, pinch mem dreaming moments, but yeah, we're blocking out the scene to see like Melissa take out Meryl Street.

Was like, oh my god.

We were all like, oh, like, you're gonna Meryl Street.

But they had the stunt coordinator and then they you know, added a line and they're Eva jumped down there and and start screaming in their face.

I was like, because I'm screaming in Meryl and Melissa's face and just like come chuck her out, and they were kill kill kill, Like please stop, please stop.

Yeah, after the break with the real Eva Longoria and the Hollywood Eva Longoria have in common, and do actors really make good detectives?

Welcome back.

It's probably not a shock that Eva Longoria on Only Murders in the Building is not exactly the same as Eva Longoria in real life, but they do share certain qualities.

Here's Eva John and I We're talking on the phone, and he was just so lovely and he's so charming and he's such a great writer.

And he was like, look, it's gonna be a it's not gonna be you.

It's gonna be like a heightened version of you.

And I was like, yes, push it make me crazy.

And he loved that idea that I was like, even even crazier than then I normally am.

So it was like really fun to meet create this character quote unquote create this character with him.

Since we didn't get a chance to talk to Eva back for episode three, which was directed by Chris Kotch, we had to ask her about that crazy scene with Christmas all the Time guy and Maybel.

You know when she starts breaking things and she fires the gun.

Does this piss you off?

What?

Hey?

What about this?

Who oh?

And by the way, r eggnog sucks?

Oh?

What you can do about you?

And cry?

You can cry about it.

I loved the director of this episode because that scene was really hard to block.

It was very physical comedy, which is what I love.

I loved physical comedy, and so I remember shooting the scene.

I was like, I don't know, was it funny enough was it, Because there's a lot of technical stuff like reset with breaking of the glass and so you only have two times with that, and so it got a little technical and I thought it felt clunky when we were shooting it.

And then John actually, no, it was Marty.

It was Marty or Steve.

It was Steve Martin and he came up to me when we were shooting like episode eight, and Steve goes, I just watched the cut of the episode with the Christmas guy and oh my god, you're so funny, and I was like, oh.

Yeah, Steve Martin said I was funny.

So that was that made my life.

I mean, not my year, my life.

That's huge.

Oh I love it.

When we were talking to Ben Smith and Pete Swanson, they were saying how much fun it was that they were writing all of these crazy things for you to do, and they'd be like, Eva Longoria might not do this, though, she she might just like kick this out or whatever, and they're like she was game to do anything.

Basically, like, were there was there ever like a joke where you were like, I don't know, guys, this might be a little too much, or were you just like, oh.

No, I feel like because we established this heightened evilngoria, I didn't have to protect it so much.

It's not like I didn't want to look bad.

It was like, oh my god, go go go.

And so it was like, once we were in that space, anything goes as opposed to like, oh, you know, let's pull back.

If we kept pulling back, then then it would have you know, not really landed, or you wouldn't have earned all those moments.

So no, no, I was like, let's go.

Should I pull the gun off the wall?

They're like yeah, I was like, great, let's do it.

That was your idea?

Yeah, I feel like it was.

I feel like all the good stuff was my idea.

But of course, you know, directors and writers like to take all the grad ahead.

So well, that really heightened the scene.

So it was great.

Yeah, So what is What do you think are the big differences between Eva Longoria on only Murders in the Building and Eva Longoria in real life?

Besides maybe she's crazier, I don't know.

Crazier Oh my god, yeah, well her ego, I mean, Eva in real life does not have that big of an ego.

I mean, the things that came out of her mouth to Selena Gomez, I would never say, but but the evil Andoria on murders in the building to Mabel, Yes, that's what she would say.

You know, she's like, oh, I hate your name.

Oh you're just a pile of mope sweaters, Like, oh my god.

I was like, she's so mean.

So I think I think fictional Evil Longoria is a little meaner.

But also you know, gets able to take you know, get a buttload of money, and yeah.

Well that is evil.

That is me.

I'm like a girl's girl and I'm like, girl, this is what you got to do.

So that would be me in real life too.

I would have given her that advice in real life she obviously doesn't need it, you know what I mean, She's doing fine.

The important takeaway for me is that there's some crossover of real Eva Longoria in that she would be teaching Mabel how to got to get that money, Yeah, how to advocate for herself and make the best out of that financial opportunity.

Yeah, that would be me for sure.

Did you have any conversations with Selena Gomez about the cable and Eva Longoria and their interactions and kind of like how that would play off of each other.

No, No, I think it was better that way because you know, I'm really like I'd come in like a tornado, and I kind of worked better.

I think acting it was it was like, yeah, this makes sense that she's like whoa what wait, what is happening?

Who are you?

Where are we?

What?

Like?

So I did, like, I like that.

Probably we didn't.

We didn't talk about it.

Yeah, yeah, Mabel, Mabel, Mabel.

You know you know Meryl a little trivia.

Maryl and I are cousins.

Are you?

Yes?

Miss, I had no idea.

You guys did not do your research.

No, we did not.

Geez, Yes, Marril and I are cousins.

We're distant cousins.

So do you guys see each other at family gatherings?

Yeah?

Yeah, family means we call each other cousin.

Every time we see each other.

We call it, okay, cousin, Hey, cousin.

People are like, what yes, because we both did that DNA show with Doctor Gates and yes, that was so good.

They do six people per episode, and when you're on the episode, to the six people the episode, they cross reference to your DNA to see if you share an ancestor.

In the last hundred years, and so at the end of the show, they go, do you want to know if you're related to somebody?

I go yes, and they go Meryl Streep and I was like, what so and then they told her.

And then I saw at an awards show one time and my friend's like, go up to her, go tell her your cousins.

I go, I am not going up to Meryl Streep and telling her we're cousins.

I'm standing there and I hear cousin.

And she came up to me and she's the one that was like, we're related.

I was like, I know.

I didn't want to bother you.

Oh.

I love that.

That's amazing.

That is such a good story.

I love I love knowing that a true family of greatness.

Yeah, Meryl has a little Latina in her or I have a little English and me I don't know.

Well, so I mean Meryl's uh.

Loretta does come to actors defense and says they are investigators of the human condition.

Do you do you think you would trust actors to solve a murder?

I would.

I'm of the same mentality which I think, you know, actors would make great CIA agents or great spies.

We would make great uh, you know, uh, psychologists like, really tell me how you're feeling.

I mean, if we didn't have, you know, big egos and so I do think like actors do are you know, are these really deep, thoughtful, you know, humanity seeking people?

And through that, I think you could find a murderer for sure.

Well, you guys definitely uncovered some big stuff in episode seven, bringing it all the way back to season one.

I know that's going to be very exciting for people.

I was so excited.

I was like, will I be the murder?

Will I die?

Will I be the murdered?

Am I the murderer?

And uh?

And everything was so tight lipped, and I think it all unfolds perfectly.

I also do like that this season's target was not like a random, random person in the apartment building.

I know, I agree.

Yeah, did it when in the process did you find out?

Because I hear you know I found out we found out what in season two?

Who the murderer?

Didn't find out until the very end that she was the murderer?

Oh yeah, No, I never knew.

I still don't know.

So it was a bit, it was a lot of It was a lot of red herrings, and that's what makes this show so great was you know, wait, okay, it's totally that guy.

No, Oh my god, it was her.

I knew it.

I knew it was her, you know.

So I love that It's like it takes turns and twists every episode.

Now, who else uncovers some very important information this episode?

He's certain someone who is not at the house on Long Island but is present nonetheless, here's actor Michael Cyril Creighton.

So I initially was pretty bummed that I wasn't part of the you know, the main storyline at seven in that house on Long.

Island, which is my homeland.

I was initially pretty bummed, but then I loved Howard's storyline in that episode, and I loved that actor who played the man in the bodega.

We had so much fun that day.

Oh there's another animal another so this season it was a dog, cat and okig.

But that was that was a pretty special day too, just because I don't usually get to act with new actors that don't I haven't met before on this show.

So that was a really fun day.

And I love how that episode turned out.

Overall.

I think it's so great.

Yeah, and Howard is responsible for everybody being in that house too, you.

Know, I know, because that's what's great about this too, is like Howard, even when he's not on the screen, he's so involved this season.

He's so part of everything, and that's like Howard's.

Dream, but he's doing it.

He's doing it.

Yeah, I love it.

Yeah, just like in the show, Howard is sprinkled throughout the podcast too.

By the end of the episode, the Hollywood Trio has a new fund confidence in their ability to solve crimes.

Here again is Eva Longoria.

It's so fun because we do go back.

We we we eventually leave the house and we go back into the into the real world to go figure out, you know, the murder.

And the fun thing about like you know, eight nine and ten is like the actors are now trying to take over.

We think we know best.

Oh, I love it, and guys just step aside.

Okay, let the real people do this.

And they're like, you're not real, Like you're not any better than us.

We're like, but we are.

And so that's a lot of fun that we have in eight and nine.

All Right, let's close out today's episode by asking John Hoffman about this huge breakthrough that the actors have admitting to plot holes, perhaps intentional plotals, all the way back to season one.

It all goes back to season one, which by the way, has more holes than Jack Elliphan.

That tell us about that decision to bring it back to season one.

It's a great question, Maggie, and I think a lot of people who are fans of the show will be very interested in this answer.

So I'm watching my words a little more carefully, and it's it's one that we've talked about a long time, and there are some answers, maybe not all.

So that's all I'm going to say right.

Now, Wait and see.

Is that the answer?

Yeah?

But I loved I loved the turn.

The most important thing was like having some great revealed turn for these actors at the end of this episode, and that felt right.

And then more importantly, the fact that it tied into something that had a longer game thought behind it feels really good as well.

To me.

Do you think that viewers should go back and watch season one again?

Well?

Sure, I mean I still want to.

Will that help them solve the mystery?

Don't you want to know who poison Witty?

I do.

We've said it right from the beginning.

Mabel is saying it right at the end of season one, there's some loose ends.

Yeah, plot holes are brought up throughout this whole season.

You know.

I think with any mystery, with any endeavor of getting something right, you're exposing other things that might not add up, and you kind of have to look away from it or just leave it by the wayside as you're following something more intriguing.

So I think that being a part of an ongoing series based on murder mysteries and one building and what possibly could have been a bigger story that may not end here yet, we'll see, Oh my.

Goodness, okay, okay, or me or may we'll see.

That's it for today, Thanks so much for listening.

I had a really hard time with the Easter Egg this week.

Maybe it's the reflection of the house in Long Island on the windows.

I don't know, what do you?

Did?

You see it, Ryan, only when you watched it like four times.

I watched it four times, all right, So listeners, please let me know what the East dragg was if it wasn't that, because that felt too subtle.

We'll be back in a few days with Molly Shannon.

Molly Shannon plus more with John Hoffman and Bob and Sherry because we have not even talked about the dolls.

We haven't talked about the dolls, which is what I thought I would see in the opening credits, but I didn't see it.

Anyways.

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Only Murders in the Building Podcast is a production of straw Hut Media, hosted and produced by Ryan Tilton and Maggie Bowles.

Our associate producer is Stephen Markley.

Original music by Kyle Merrett and Only Murders in the Building theme music by Siddartha Cosla.

Our assistant editor is Daniel Ferreira.

Our production assistant is Caroline Mendoza.

Thank you so much to Robert Paulcini, Sherry Springer, Berman, Eva Longoria, and Michael Cyrol Crichton.

We're talking with us this week.

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See you soon.

Bye.

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There's like a five second delay.

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Okay, okay, I'm going to keep you here.

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I think his back, so I'm going to keep going