Episode Transcript
Welcome to the solid verbal hull.
Speaker 2That for me.
Speaker 3I'm a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 4I've heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.
You want to be happy for a day?
Edo State is that?
Speaker 1Whoo whoo?
Speaker 3And no Dan and tie Dan Evenstein.
Speaker 1You know you called it speed test Saturday, and instead of that, I think we got something that I would call skin of your teeth Saturday.
Speaker 3You know, not a lot of upsets, but we had a bunch.
Speaker 1Of close games, more than enough reason to be plenty entertained by college Football Week twelve, which, of course we will talk through here over the next hour hour and fifteen or so.
Speaker 3Dan, how are you welcome back?
Good?
Speaker 4You take your pick squirt through Saturday, anything you want, you know, the sneak by Saturday.
There's plenty you can do with it.
When you look at some of the headlining results, I guess other than Georgia not a squeaker.
Georgia over Texas not a squeaker.
There were a few squeakers.
There were a few not so squeaky games.
I'm good, I'm I'm charged up.
Speaker 3Ty.
Speaker 4We've had a full day of ridiculousness.
We've had a full day of hopes being met with how exciting some of these games were, hopes being dashed for a lot of people out there whose teams got out to potential upset sprints and then couldn't make it work in the end.
There's a lot to talk about.
There are a ton of implications within conferences for next week, for the postseason, for next season.
You take your pick.
This was a great Saturday slash, Friday, Saturday slash, Friday, Thursday, Wednesday, Tuesday, Saturday.
However you want to quantify this week twelve, it was terrific.
We've got a lot to dive into.
I'll start wherever you want to.
I'm choked up thinking about it.
Where are we going.
Speaker 3Drink some water?
Speaker 1So look, we had we had seven of the top twenty five teams go down, those being Alabama, Texas, Louisville, Iowa, Pitt, USF, and Cincinnati.
I counted yes on my seven fingers to make sure I got that right.
I had put down here on my note sheeted disclaimer that BYU was playing a late game.
Speaker 2Here.
Speaker 1Does not look like BYU is going to lose this one.
They're currently mopping up on TCU at halftime.
Try as we might Dan, there's almost no way to avoid the fact that we need to start with what went down in the SEC.
You know, we're a national show, and I know a bunch of national shows often get dunked on for talking a lot about the SEC, and we try to be balanced here, right, we're two guys from the North.
But nevertheless, I think we have to start with what went down in the SEC.
They were the most significant games of Week twelve, and the biggest one, I think on the heels of what went down in week twelve is what we saw with Oklahoma and Alabama.
Speaker 3I agree.
Speaker 4I tried to pitch you on leading off with Katon Hawser throwing an absolute dime for ECU taking down Memphis, right, but I was denied the opportunity to expand on a beautiful game winning pass and drive from the Pirates over Memphis, which has thrown the America not into disarray but into a level of intrigue with Navy, and look, man, we'll get there.
Speaker 1I went through all of the scenarios at least that I could think up, and I will talk through what that looks like a little bit later on in this episode.
It's gonna get really interesting, Like of all the playoff stuff that I think we're going to put ourselves through over the next like three to four weeks or so, you could make a really strong case that, at least for a good chunk of our audience, the most interesting playoff chase is for that one G six spot.
And I do believe it will be one G six spot now that Duke is out of the picture.
But that's going to be interesting.
I'll talk about that ok a little bit later on.
In the meantime, though I believe we both did pick Oklahoma.
Speaker 3We did.
Speaker 1I also believe that only one member of this broadcasting dynamo had the foresight, the knowledge, the gumption to pick the exact twenty three to twenty one score, Dan, and that will be yours, truly, congratulations.
I have not picked anything right all year.
Not only did I do, we both did.
Speaker 3I had him out right.
That's pretty good, both had him out right.
Not only did we both pick.
Speaker 1Them outright, but I actually had the correct score.
And I'm going to hang my hat on that because it has been a rough year of picking games.
Speaker 4Dog, this was your Miguel Rojas can't connect on anything and then hits a big one and it was all worth it.
Okay, So, yes, Oklahoma wins this game.
They win this game, and I know you're gonna have a lot that stood out to you, But they win this game because they were the better team the trenches.
They were the better team in big moments.
Speaker 3They were the better.
Speaker 4Team to come up with big plays when needed, and they were, you know, able to force turnovers in a way and then take advantage obviously with a pick six.
They had the best duo of brothers in this game with the Bowens, and they were a team that just never lost sight of how they are supposed to win a game like this given their roster, and that was going to be in the trenches.
That was going to be taking advantage of some you know, deficiencies on Alabama's offensive line, especially the right side of Alabama's offensive line at times, and that they weren't offensively going to try and play outside of themselves.
No, and when push came to shove late in the game, they just made play after play after play on defense without their best pass rushure, without their most disruptive defensive player in our Mason Thomas, Oklahoma is now for whatever their own deficiencies on whatever side of the ball, which is probably not talking about the defense.
They're now on an Alabama winning streak.
Speaker 1That is correct.
Officially, that is correct.
So look, the thing we both highlighted when we did the preview for the Oklahoma Alabama game in week twelve was the Oklahoma pass rush, and we both had a question as to whether or not that Oklahoma pass rush would be good enough to get the Tye Simpson to speed him up to force some mistakes.
I didn't see the final count.
I don't know what the total number of pressures was.
I know at halftime it was ten pressures on ty Simpson, and they showed it at halftime what his numbers looked like under pressure, And as you might expect, like every quarterback in college football, when they're pressured, their numbers go down, ty Simpson's numbers went down.
All told, Oklahoma on defense was able to force three turnovers that amounted to seventeen points off of those turnovers, which ultimately I think is what swung the game.
This is clearly, to your point, not a dynamic, high scoring Oklahoma offense.
But John Mattier is dynamic.
He is very good when he has to find a way to make a play they're just not gonna blow the doors off you when they've got the ball.
And also, of note, they know it.
Speaker 3They know it.
Speaker 1There's a lot of value in this life about being self aware.
Oklahoma knows exactly what it is.
On offense, they know they're limited.
They know they're not gonna score thirty eight points a game.
That is not who they are.
They're gonna lean on their defense.
They're gonna get as many big plays as they can from Jommettier in that offense, and that's how they want to win.
And they did win this one.
They did win this they did twenty three to twenty one.
I think they're in the driver's seat for a playoff spot now by virtue of beating Alabama.
A couple teams in front, well we'll talk about something just in front of them.
Speaker 4But the road that they've traveled, both in the SEC and in beating Michigan, their resume is just such that there's not a lot of teams that you know, can compare in terms of the week in week out of their resume.
Can we But we should say something that I think is also true, like the two things can be true at the same time.
If this game were played a hundred times.
I'm not sure Oklahoma wins fifty of them given what they were and were not able to accomplish on offense, you know, like they sneak by this game, winning the turnover marchin three nothing right that.
Yes, they were the better team in the trenches, but to beat Alabama with what sixteen offensive points like it doesn't take I'm my saying this is not meant to take anything away from Oklahoma because you win however you can win, and it was an incredible performance from Oklahoma.
They were the they were the winners in this game.
Winning as a skill.
They had more of those skills today.
But it's not exactly a replicable formula for beating the twenty twenty five Alabama Crimson Tide.
They were just able to get away with it today by making the big plays in bigger moments more often.
I just wouldn't recommend teams looking at this as like a blueprint to beating Alabama.
Speaker 3That's all now.
Speaker 1I mean, they've got the defense, as I said, to put pressure on the quarterback to speed things up, to change the game plan if you're Kalin de Boor and Ryan Grubb, and that is essentially what Oklahoma did.
There is probably a limit to that because eventually, if they do find their way into the playoff, eventually they're going to find a team that can score on them.
Eventually they're gonna have to play from behind.
And this is not necessarily an offense that's built to do that.
But when the defense is firing, when they're able to change the game, when they're able to keep it close, and when they're able to put the ball in the hands of a dynamic quarterback like John Matier when the game is close, you know, they give themselves a good chance to win.
They did win this one, twenty three to twenty one.
I don't know what it looks like out of a thousand simulations, but this was the one that mattered to where I think in the driver's seat now.
As I said, for a playoff bid, They've got two home games left against Missouri and LSU, both of those I think look pretty winnable.
They're almost certainly now going to jump into the top ten as a result of this win, if only because the team in front of them in Texas lost.
If they went out there in the playoff, I feel pretty confident saying that at this point and I'm with you, and on the Bama side, Look, they're still in the driver's seat to get to the SEC title game even with this loss.
This was only their first conference loss.
They had the loss Week one against Florida State, but this is only their first conference loss.
They've got the tiebreaker over Georgia because they won that game back at the end of September, and basically, as long as they win the iron ball, they're making it through.
So there's still very much in front of Alabama.
This is not a soul crushing loss.
It just lost number two.
They probably can't afford another one for a whole multitude of reasons, but they're still in a pretty good spot despite the fact that they lost this one by two.
Speaker 4At all I see, I still think it's soul crushing.
I think you have good perspective, but I think if you're a Bama fan and you watch the way that this offense was unable to rise to the moment in that second half, once again not growing into the game, which has been We talked about this on the preview show, that this offense has just stalled out too much in these second halves and a lot of that has to do with them being unable to control anything on the ground, and it's a red zone thing, it's a prolonging drive thing, it's a wearing out defense thing to give yourself easier opportunities in the second half thing.
And we saw it once again that Oklahoma didn't have to dedicate much manpower to stopping Alabama on the ground because Bama themselves have been unable to figure out how to build a more complete offense.
And when the Bama offense is humming through the air, it's nearly impossible to stop consistently.
But when you have a defense as talented and as angry and as varied as Oklahoma's is and was on Saturday, it becomes a little bit more manageable.
Speaker 1And we said that in the broad in the preview broadcasts as well, right, that the one dimensional nature of the offense was something that we were just at that point.
It was a curiosity to see how it would fare against a really tough Oklahoma defense that can rush the passer and can do all the things that we saw them do today.
So your final score was twenty three to twenty one, a huge win for brand Vannables, is a huge win for Oklahoma.
It is not lost on you.
It is not lost on me that Oklahoma has had a brutal SEC schedule.
We talked about it all season long, We talked about it all pre season long.
The fact that they are here now, I think on the doorstep of a ten and two season with that schedule, with a lot of new people on that roster, that speaks volumes about what brand Venables has done this year, even if it isn't always sexy in terms of what they're doing on offense to get to this point.
They deserve all the success they have coming to them because yeah, because of the job that they've done so.
Speaker 4And by the way, one of the like the headline new guy is Jaydan, not the running back from cal You know, a mix of just not working out and being beat up has not contributed basically.
Speaker 3Anything this season and they're still doing it.
Speaker 1Yeah, where do you want to go next?
What jumped out to you next?
I think we should start in the SEC.
There's like two other games in particular that we probably need to lead off with.
Speaker 5Here.
Speaker 4We can go just by ranking and talk Texas A and M coming back, because then it's easy to get to Georgia Texas and we will momentarily, but because Texas A and M came in number three in the country and fell down.
Speaker 3Thirty to three.
Speaker 1Oh my god, I was watching this game.
Jaw a gape thirty to three.
This is the tail.
Two haves this game thirty to three.
South Carolina led at halftime.
Speaker 4It's also kind of an A and M thing.
By the way, the weird, messy, horrific first halves cleaned up continue A.
Speaker 1And M scored twenty eight unanswered to win this one.
It was their largest comeback in program history.
They were down twenty seven.
They needed this one to stay unbeaten.
It was a putrid first half for Texas A and M.
They kept tripping over themselves.
They could not get any momentum going.
Marcel Reid was dreadful.
Yes, in the first half, he had three first half interceptions or three first half turnovers, but the two interceptions were bad.
It felt like South Carolina was in complete control of this game and like there was no way Texas A and M was going to be able to regain momentum.
But then the second half came and second half was a different story.
The South Carolina offense effectively stalled out their second half possessions.
I listed them off.
They went turnover on downs, punt punt, punt, turnover on downs.
That was it.
Meanwhile, yet A and M scoring on their first four drives in the second half, they grabbed the lead.
For as bad as it started for Marcel Reid, he ends up finishing with a career high four hundred and thirty nine passing yards to go along with three touchdowns.
So I don't know where we start with this.
Do we start on the A and M side, with the fact that they came from behind, that they did what they did, They maintain their lead in the sec they remain unbeaten, they remain a top three team in the country.
Or do we talk about the South Carolina collapse?
Which one do you want to go with first?
Speaker 4I think we should start positive with A and M.
Because this has been the story of A and M's year, when they blow teams out, when they get teams fired, teams coaches fired, when they explode in these second halves.
That this is what has defined them this year, That they get better over the course of the game, that they get off the field.
On defense, quicker and quicker, I think they're the number one third down defense in America.
I believe if they're not one, they're in the top three, they're not four, and that they just shut teams down on defense in the second half and make adjustments and play angrier and control the ground.
And they didn't even really control the ground that much on offense today, which I think sort of underscores where when Texas A and M is succeeding, a lot of that comes on the ground.
For as much flash as Marcel Reid provides, it's been Ruben Owens, it's been the guys on the ground that have really paced things.
Look, it's very difficult to fall down thirty three and then make it a game in a quarter.
This didn't come down to the end in terms of when South Carolina allowed Texas A and M or Textas A and M earned their way back into this game.
This was by the start of the fourth quarter.
It was a game, yeah, exactly.
And so I think there's a certain amount of metal fortitude it takes to be down twenty seven points and say to yourself, let's just go out and operate and see what happens.
And South Carolina the play calling was terrible.
Now, I consider myself to be a little bit of an expert going up big in the first half after watching what Oregon did in the Alimoble about a decade ago, so I know, I kept hearing this on.
I think it was like the halftime shows on ESPN, like the Anatomy of an upset and what it takes.
And really Texas A and M gave South Carolina the blueprint to beat them, right, it's taking advantage of the turnovers.
But South Carolina in that second half with an interim play caller offensive coordinator after Mike schules Leto made a few terrible calls on high leverage moments on your third and shorts and fourth in shorts.
They're one of the worst running teams in America and they're just sending a running back into a nine ten man box like over and over again, taking the ball out of Lenora's sellers his hands.
And he wasn't great on the ground himself.
But if you're going to do anything to extend drives, maybe have him make some more decisions and have him have more say in it.
Does that Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 3Yeah?
Speaker 1I thought Leonora is kind of stunk in this game.
Speaker 3He wasn't that good to be clear.
I agree.
Speaker 1Yeah, I thought there were passes out there that he missed, you know, balls that were high or just errant, and I kept waiting for him to switch it on.
You know, this would have been one of those moments where Leonora's sellers could have truly become He could have like etched himself into the mythology of South Carolina football by engineering an upset here.
Even after the game got really close late, I kept like waiting for that moment and it never happened, and that, to me was really disappointing.
You know, I want to credit A and M for what they did, because digging out of a twenty seven point a hole is not easy.
Finding a way to win with four turnovers, going two of eleven on third downs that is really something, Okay, That is like a multiplier that most teams can achieve.
And they did it because they're rock solid across the board, because they've got a good coach, and because it seems like this is a team that's figured out how to win in a multitude of different ways.
So I don't want to take anything away from them, and certainly Marcel Reid for getting his game back on track in the second half.
All of these things are very much to A and m's credit.
By the way, it sounds like Mike Elcho now has a six year contract extension, so he presumably will not be on the move amid a historic coaching cycle.
Credit again to Texas A and M for kind of finding their guy, sticking with it, putting together this great season in this great program.
By the way, nothing but continued success to them.
I wish them the best.
Speaker 4Yes, and nearly every State trooper providing security in this game behaved appropriately.
Let's be clear, nearly every one of the troopers providing security in this game behaved appropriately, and almost all of them were able to stay within the stadium and not be sent home for trying to bump Nick Harbor for no reason in the tunnel as he was walking back from a touchdown.
Speaker 3What was that?
Speaker 6I don't know, man.
Speaker 4Yeah, it's the easiest thing to do is stay out of the player's way.
It's Nick Harbor is not an easy person to miss.
Speaker 1I saw somebody online mentioned and maybe it was in our discord.
I don't even know, not a hard person of Excuse me, so somebody talking about how the state trooper who interacted with two South Carolina players, I believe in the Northeast tunnel.
Speaker 3Yeah, he treated them.
Speaker 1As if they were students who had like a red solo cup, angry that they might have, like an alcoholic beverage that they weren't supposed to have.
Speaker 3Or something very bizarre.
Speaker 4It was like seeing like a senior walking down a high school locker room hallway or locker hallway whatever in a high school and freshman walking towards him and him not moving and hitting them in the show like.
Speaker 3It was very odd behavior.
Speaker 1If you if you don't know what we're talking about, if you know to watch the game, just go online and run a quick search for like Texas A and M South Carolina cop and you will see exactly what we're talking about.
Yeah, just a very strange, only in college football type of moment that I think we saw.
Let me say this though about the South Carolina thing.
Speaker 5I was.
I was.
Speaker 3I had a visceral.
Speaker 1Reaction to the way that they blew this game.
Speaker 3It was so efficient, bow tie, you gotta tip your cap.
Speaker 1Texas A and M came back so quickly in the second half.
It was almost immediate that you knew that, oh my god, they're gonna South Carolina's gonna blow this game, and I felt horrible for the South Carolina people that listened to this show.
The analogy that I made almost immediately to you was that they pulled a Jose Mesa.
Sure, this was an incredible blown save.
And my initial reaction, and I know it was knee jerk, and I'm not even one hundred percent serious about it, but you could check the tape, you could check the slack channel.
My first thought what I sent to you was they got a fire.
They gotta fire Shane Beaver because this was malpractice.
To lose a game like this felt like malpracticed to me.
Yeah, And had they won, they would have had a real shot at a bowl with a horrible schedule and and you know, no shortage of their own deficiencies because they got Coastal Carolina left.
They play a game against Clemson to close out this year.
Both of those are at home.
I think winnable, potentially winnable.
Speaker 3Right sure.
Speaker 1To lose in this manner is just an absolute stomach punch.
When you had the number three team in the land on the ropes in their home stadium and you walk away with a one point lost thirty one thirty Just.
Speaker 3Does this change anything?
Speaker 4Does this change anything to about what you feel about Texas A and M.
I mean, they've had close calls this season, they haven't played an incredible schedule, They've taken care of business obviously.
We talked about how strong they get in second halves.
Does this happening repeatedly against a team like Arkansas now a team like South Carolina?
I don't know if Texas is built to take advantage of this specific weakness.
Come on, but well the games in Austin.
It's not an easy game.
There's a lot of emotion behind it.
But does it change your outlook about what they're seeing is nationally in a potential playoff pitcame No.
Speaker 1It doesn't.
Not for me.
Speaker 3I don't think so either.
Speaker 5No.
Speaker 4I think they sort of have been this and so they're going to be entertaining one way or the other, and they'll win or loose.
Speaker 1It's it's not always how you start, it's how you finish.
And I mean they went on a torrid scoring streak here twenty eight unanswered to win this one, and still South Carolina had a chance at the end.
They had another chance again and they just like Everything they tried in the second half went nowhere.
And I don't know if that's coaching, I don't know if that's play calling.
I don't know if it's just Texas A and M found another gear.
It's probably a combination of all those things.
But the manner of which they lost this game was like heartbreaking.
And again, I didn't even have a dog in the fight.
I don't even remember who I picked.
Probably didn't matter.
I think we probably both were on Texas A and M if we picked this game at all.
But yeah, but it's this was this was a dagger man, what a dog.
Speaker 4It was just much more once you started seeing how this game was going in the first half, and then immediately seeing how it was going in the third quarter.
Speaker 3I was rooting for you.
We were all rooting for you.
Out damn.
You learn something from this, That's all I asked.
It's all I asked.
Speaker 1How long has it since you played the tyre clip?
Speaker 4It's probably been about eleven years.
I have no idea.
I found it deep within the archive.
Speaker 1Georgia thirty five to ten over Texas Dan.
Speaker 3Yeah, speaking of doing nothing in the second.
Speaker 1Half, Oh my god, this escalated quickly didn't it.
Yes, At one point we're chatting online, it's like fourteen to ten.
The next thing, you know, you take a long pe as you like to say, and it was thirty five to ten ballgame.
I thought Georgia made Texas will completely pedestrian, completely pedestrian in this game.
Speaker 4And I thought Texas did a good job of that as well for a game they were in the first half.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, for a good chunk of this game, for sure.
I expected this to some extent with the Texas offense.
But the way that Georgia moved the ball in the Texas defense, to me, especially in the second half, that is not something I was fully expecting.
I didn't think they would have this much success against a good Texas defense, but they in the second half of this game, especially as we got in the latter stages of the third quarter into the fourth quarter, it was clear that this Texas defense was on skates and Georgia had basically licensed to do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 3I'm with you.
Speaker 4You brought up this point going into the episode that the Texas pass defense just hasn't been there despite having a very good pass rush, that the secondary hasn't been there.
The secondary has been beat up, and when the Texas offense is departing the field as efficiently as they are, you're just putting your own defense in a terrible position.
Yeah, and I thought with George's ability to stay on the field, not necessarily bombing it downfield all the time, but consistently executing, you're just wearing down.
We talked about, you know, speed test Saturday and just like where are your legs come November, And it just seemed like George's game plan was perfect to wear Texas down.
And Texas has dudes on this defense, especially upfront obviously in the linebacking corps, absolutely just can't stay on the field the whole time.
And when Texas has the drops that they do, when they don't necessarily have go to receivers consistently like they've had these past couple seasons, George is going to be able to take advantage.
And yeah, it was fourteen to ten in the second half, and then just absolute brass balls from Kirby Smart following a touchdown up with a perfectly executed on sidekick that wasn't even like scrummed for the ball, No, it was just caught in rhythm as Texas players turned their back on a gently bouncing on sidekick and that was turned into points, and got a quick stop that was then turned into points from a short field.
You know, Texas was backed up.
It was just it was an efficient and brutal display of peak Georgia football.
I thought the play calling was really good from Georgia.
I thought Gunnar Stockton was great in this game, like on the ground, making decisions, quick decisions.
They spread the ball out really nicely.
They weren't killers on the ground.
It wasn't a big Johncey Bowen's game, but Nate Frasier made plays.
I don't know, this was like it felt like peak Georgia to me.
Speaker 1I mean they would leak a running back out of the backfield to one side of the field and then to the other, and then when Texas wisened up to that, then they would leak a tight end out, or they would leak a receiver out, or Zachariah brand should be sitting in a pocket, and it just like it felt to me like whatever they wanted to do they could do.
Yeah, And I know that wasn't true for the entirety of the game, but certainly down the stretch when it counted the most.
Georgia just blew the doors off of Texas.
I mean it just it didn't even seem like they belonged in the same field.
They just completely outclassed them in the second half.
On the Texas side, I mean, too many drops, too many penalties, never able to gain any kind of momentum.
I think it needs to be mentioned again and again and again.
The line stinks, yeah, but Arch also miss dudes.
Arch miss dudes, but the line stinks.
Yeah, they can't run.
And when the line stinks and can't run, that puts more pressure on your quarterback.
And I thought, all things considered, Arch Manning played a pretty good game.
He made some he made some bad throws.
He definitely had some misses.
But I think people need to understand it's all on him.
It's all on him.
I talked about it in the preview, but like I checked the stats on the most pressured FBS quarterbacks, the most pressured power for quarterbacks, and Arch Manning was in the top ten coming into week twelve.
I'm sure, well I don't know what it's going to be coming out of Week twelve, but for sure, like it's a lot on him, it's all on his arm.
He was clearly emotional about it.
He wanted to play a better game.
I think he did all right.
I don't think this is his fault that they lost this game.
I think Georgia is the better team.
I think this was a demonstration of what Georgia can do against a team that doesn't have an offensive line that's up to stuff.
So I don't necessarily blame Arch for being emotional about it.
I thought, all things considered, again, he played a pretty good game, but they were not the better team out there.
They certainly did not have the offense to go toe to toe with this Georgia defense.
Speaker 4No, and this Georgia defense hasn't been incredible this year at all times, but sort of outside of you know, some of the Alabama game, the Tennessee game, the ole Miss game has been quietly improving.
But you're right, this is not a defense to the recent Georgia standard.
No, and it's very young.
Obviously, they're going to grow into it.
I think they have grown into it.
I think they're at the point now where they're just not where they were a month ago.
Speaker 1To we can stop talking now about how young they are, right, because they've.
Speaker 3They've started eight nine to ten games.
Yeah, they played like two and a half months of this.
Speaker 1Now it's they're sort of you know, well, they've got some seasoning for sure.
Speaker 4The athletes are there, and I saw c J.
Allen got hurt.
We'll see how big of a deal that is.
I mean, he is obviously a huge deal for this defense.
We'll see what that means for the rest of their season.
Obviously setting up for a huge game against Georgia Tech to finish things out.
But no, I don't know how you come away anything but crazy impressed with what George has been able to do lately.
Speaker 1I completely agree this.
So here's where George is at right now.
Please George has done with their SEC schedule.
They do not have the head to head tiebreaker with Alabama because they played and they lost.
But in order for them to play for the SEC title, they either need Auburn to beat Alabama and the Iron Bowl or Texas to beat Texas A and M when they play their rivalry and they renew that rivalry in Austin last week of the season.
It's also worth noting that if both of those teams lose, there is potential for it to be Georgia against Old Miss.
I'm not counting on that.
That would require a lot to happen.
Speaker 4You're talking about if Texas A and M and Alabama lose.
If Texas A and Georgia Oles.
Speaker 1Yes, and Alabama lose and Ole Miss wins the Egg Bowl, that would be a scenario in which you get some different teams than maybe some are expecting in that SEC title game.
But right now, I still think Alabama is sort of in the driver's seat.
Obviously, the same is true for Texas A and M, the most likely SEC championship game right now, by virtue of the results that we saw in week twelve, it looks like Texas A and M against Alabama Georgia will be next up.
Beyond that, you know, that's when you get into the weird Old Miss scenario.
Texas is fully out of all this stuff now.
They just are.
They have three losses.
They're not going to play for the SEC, They're out of the playoff picture.
They could certainly play a large role if they knock off Texas A and M the last week of the regular season.
That could have a real impact on what A and m's path looks like.
But in terms of playing for some of these more grandiose achievements that many had expected at the start of the year.
That's not going to happen in twenty twenty five for Texas.
No.
Speaker 4Also, Georgia looks like the best team in the SEC right now and they're not even in line to play, which might be fine by them, honestly, given schedule of playoffs stuff.
Speaker 3That's the SEC.
There are other results in the SEC.
Speaker 1Will come back to those a little bit later on, but those are sort of like the Three Biggies.
There were plenty of other games around college football that involve ranked teams, that involve playoff that involve conference implications that we can talk through now if you're interested, would love too.
The ACC is fascinating for a variety of different reasons.
I am most interested in Pitt, as you know, because I picked Pitt to go to the ACC title game.
Okay, Pitt had a non conference game in Week twelve against Notre Dame.
Pitt got smoked by Notre Dame.
They got absolutely shelled by Notre Dame in this way.
Speaker 4Yeah, and to their credit, they let it happen quickly.
Speaker 3They did.
Speaker 1They did.
Speaker 4They didn't give anybody any hope for very long in this Now I watched.
Speaker 1This game with my mom.
I went up to mom h's I figure, you know what this is.
This is a prime opportunity to do that.
I don't get to watch games with her anymore because of what we do.
Speaker 3Yeah, built some core memories.
Speaker 1I want to I want to go up and watch this game with her.
So I got some cheese steaks from the good cheese steak placed by me, took them up.
We watched the game.
After the first few plays, got that like little nauseous feeling in my stomach.
Oh boy, here we go.
Yeah, I've seen this before, but it was like one drive.
Notre Dame stopped them on that one.
I think they got the ball they punted, but then right out like it happened.
Speaker 3We didn't do anything on that.
Speaker 4I had like a fifteen yard game and Mason Heinschel missed like it was a.
Speaker 3Twenty yard drive.
It was, Yes, I felt very easy, which is why I was nervous.
Speaker 4I'm there was a bad drop that happened like inside the town.
Speaker 1I know, I know, I know, But a few plays in I was getting that feeling in the stomach.
But then after that it was the game was basically over after the first four drives.
Pitt had eighty six yards at half.
Notre Dame was in the backfield every play.
I would love to see them convert some more of that pressure into sacks, but considering where they were at the start of the year, baby steps will take pressure.
Okay, baby steps, you'll, you'll.
This is definite improvement.
It certainly was not the cleanest game for CJ.
Speaker 2Carr.
Speaker 1I think he had two bad interceptions in this one, but continued his nice report with Malachi Fields.
They had two touchdowns together through the air, solid on the ground from Jeremiah Love.
Speaker 3There really isn't a really nice spin cycle run early on early on Touchdow.
Speaker 1There really is not a whole lot to look at it, at least on the Notre Dame side and feel pessimistic about.
I mean, they dominated pit in this game.
They've got games against Syracuse and Stanford to close out the year, and I understand there's going to be a whole conversation now where they rank, where they should rank relative to the field, and the playoff conversation.
We should probably just wait until Tuesday night, or at least Monday on our show to talk through that in a little bit more detail.
We don't have to drone on about it now, but Notre Dame will be there, probably in the top ten in some way, shape or form.
This is not the type of performance that they should be knocked for because it was a ranked pit team.
It's still a pit team that has a lot to play for and I think has some interesting matchups here with the teams remaining on their schedule.
So Notre Dame acquitted itself well, they were dominant.
This is what you want to see if you're a Notre Dame fan, if you're somebody who is curious about Notre Dame, perhaps where they rank amid that like this chaotic playoff field is what I would say at this point, Sure Notre Dame did what it needed to do.
Speaker 3The pit thing is.
Speaker 1Kind of kind of at for conversation, but on at least on the Notre Dame side, you could not have asked for a better performance on the road.
Speaker 4Two points, aid on Schuler, that's the Don Shuler, excuse me.
Speaker 3Real good player, seems very good.
Speaker 1Had that pick six early, had an incredible return of a two point conversion, yes like five yards zep in the end, zone, used, his blockers, used his convoy, danced around, did an incredible job running it back all the way the length of the field and then some for two points.
Speaker 4Yes, so yeah, this is the Notre Dame secondary was looked at as a weakness as a unit.
Obviously there are talented players there.
Early on in the season when they were struggling against you know, Miami and Texas A and m it seems like there's been some scheme shifts and guys have gotten healthier, they've come to play, and there has been the you know, the the absence was felt earlier of Xavier Wats, who was really a really good box safety, and it's seems like they have picked things up very nicely.
And just a quick copy of it here.
You said Pitt is ranked.
Let's say Pitt was ranked.
No, okay, Pitt was ranked.
Speaker 3I don't know if they're going to have a number next to their name moving forward this season, but we'll see.
But it was it was not particularly close, very quickly.
Speaker 1It's and look, there's probably not a whole lot more to say about Notre Dame.
Still could have scored more.
I mean, they definitely left some points on the board in this.
Speaker 3This one, by the way, Yeah, I said notre was gonna rip them apart.
Speaker 1They did rip them apart, and Pat and Ardoozy kind of called it too.
Speaker 3Pantn Ardoozy and I were on the same page.
Speaker 1Tannerdoosey said, we can lose by one hundred, it won't matter if we win the last two.
And you know, I mean, I guess he said the quiet part out loud.
You're not supposed to say that.
You're supposed to be pissing vinegar out there and get the troops fired up.
But if they win against Georgia Tech and Miami to close out the year, they have a really good shot of getting to the ACC title game.
It's not ironclad.
It's going to be like down to the sick tiebreaker in the ACC to determine who is playing home.
But if you beat those two teams, if your pit, you stand a pretty good chance to make it through into that ACC title game.
And I actually think they match up pretty well with the teams that are remaining on their schedule.
I could talk I could talk through why when we do our previews in the coming.
Speaker 4Weeks based only on today's action, two very different defenses.
Speaker 3Yes, on the pit schedule.
Speaker 4Moving forward, in that Georgia Tech may not have one, and in that Miami's looked awfully, awfully good.
Speaker 1Today, Virginia beat Duke thirty four to seventeen in a very very pivotal acc matchup.
I thought Manny Diaz said it best in the postgame quote.
We were thoroughly outclassed by Virginia.
I think their quarterback was outstanding and in terrific control.
He is talking about Chandler Morris.
Chandler Morris got hurt in UVa's last game.
Chaylor Morris was upgraded to probably late in the week after we recorded our preview, Chaylor Morris played and looked awesome.
He looked great in this game.
I felt like this was about as good as we have seen Uva look all year.
Speaker 3Agreed, like we're used to them.
Speaker 1Eking out wins this season.
They crushed Duke in this game.
And like we knew Duke was something of a liability on defense, I think we we panned that to various extents.
Duke was favored in this game, so we weren't the only ones, but the numbers here were ridiculous.
It was a really balanced effort from the Who's five hundred and forty total yards, three sixteen through the air, two twenty four on the ground, twelve of nineteen on third downs.
They had eleven more minutes of possession.
By nearly every measure, dan Uva won this one going away.
This is a really nice showing for Tony Elliott.
Speaker 4Yes, and a really nice showing all things considered, given Chandler Morris's injury, given the fact that Virginia isn't led by their offense.
They've been led by winning those big moments late and a vastly improved defenses with some new faces getting key stops, and against a duke offense that has shown out win and lose, win or lose, win and lose whatever, Virginia really stepped up on that side of the ball.
They haven't this season had a ton of playmakers on offense, but defensively has been where they've made their you know where they've made hay and it was especially nice given what's at stake in the ACC.
I think it was Tarl Harris who stepped up on the outside for Virginia on offense like that, they are winning in a more complete way I think bodes well for whatever their ceiling may be this year.
Speaker 1If you are UVA, you're in terrific shape now for the ACC title game.
I mean, and if you had talked about UVA being in the ACC Championship at the beginning of the season or when we did our previews at the end of July, I mean, we would call to each other crazy if anyone made that prediction.
Speaker 4But again, one of the easiest, if not the it was them in North Carolina schedule wise, but even still, yeah, I don't think there was any way to foresee the kind of impact that Chandler Morris.
Speaker 1I mean, they were active in the portal, They were active about trying to improve some of those aspects of the roster that they thought needed help.
Chandler Morris, though, has been a revelation and they now are on the precipice of beating Virginia Tech to close out the season.
It is not again a slam dunk that they would get into that game.
If Pitt loses, they think to both Georgia Tech and Miami and SMU wins out, then we could be looking at a weird tiebreaker scenario where it's like SMU or UVA.
Again, I'm not going to talk through all those things here, But UVA is in a really good spot right now to get to that championship game, and if they could pull off a win once they get there, get back or get to the playoffs for the first time obviously in school history.
So the other thing that I would add is that this win is very good news for the ACC because if Duke would have won, it would have opened up that possibility that an unranked ACC champion could be left out entirely, and it's obviously still possible, but it looks increasingly less likely that that scenario could come to fruition.
Speaker 4So oh yeah, well, especially look if Virginia goes eleven and two and wins the conference.
You're talking about a Virginia team that through a game losing interception in the end zone to NC State in a four point loss, so not an embarrassing loss.
NC State is pretty average this season, but they didn't lose by twenty seven points, and they lost to Wake Forest a low scoring game in which their quarterback was hurt almost immediately, So their resume is going to be fine.
If they finish eleven into winning the ACC, they will be in the top twenty five and it will be fine.
They'll be in the top twenty.
Speaker 3Likely number seventeen.
Speaker 1USC twenty six knocks off twenty one Iowa.
Yeah, twenty six twenty one is your final score.
This one did not start off great for the Trojans, No.
Speaker 5But.
Speaker 1Lincoln Riley man come back win over a tough, physical Iowa team in weather.
It keeps them in the conversation, you know, all the right kinds of conversations.
They got a monster game next week against your Oregon Ducks and Eugene I talked through on a couple of our episodes last week about you know, just some like not so far fetched possibilities for USC for the remainder of the season.
I thought this is a really nice win for them, and probably one that won't get the headlines.
But I thought the way that they fought back, the way that they came to play, the way that they were able to run their offense against a really good defense like Iowa was in a monsoon in like heavy rain.
Yeah, I mean, like I'm sort of like tripping over my words here because it's late, and I apologize, but like, I just thought their ability to play their game through the air to feed Makay Lemon and Jacoby Lane.
When Iowa knew that they were going to feed both those guys, I just thought that was really impressive, Like they ran effectively enough to offer a little bit of variety, but everyone knew, like it was kind of telegraphed that those are the guys, at least through the air that they want to do trying to tack them with.
And Kyle Lemon had ten catches, Jacobe Lane had seven catches.
They both had really good games.
They were able to do this against a really tough defense that knew essentially it was coming.
And I don't know, I thought this wind showed a lot of grit in a way that like we have not necessarily seen from the Lincoln Riley era USC Trojans.
Speaker 3Yeah, there was some turnover.
Speaker 4I say luck, I don't mean you're lucky to recover a fumble, but fumbles in general.
There was a kind of a wild interception that was off of an caramd off of an Iowa player.
Speaker 1So he's down on the grounds, he's down on the ground.
It was a low Throwkay, It wasn't even a bad throat.
It was just a low throw because it had to me the ball bounces off the guy's hands up and into the hands of a USC defender.
Speaker 4A defensive lineman.
Yeah.
I came away impressed as well about certain aspects of USC that I just I think it happens very smart to find mackay Lemon as often as you possibly can.
They ran fine, there were tough yards, it was bad weather, it's a good defense.
You're right about all of those things.
It was also Jacoby Lane, excuse me, the tight ends to a lesser extent.
I thought Jade Mayava was largely good, though a little bit off.
But it's the weather thing too.
That's understandable.
Like you can say that, you know.
They looked a little bit a rhythmic.
I thought along the trenches they weren't great.
Speaker 3I thought the.
Speaker 4Offensive line got pushed around a little bit too much in the run game, especially in short yardage early.
Yeah, And I thought, just I don't know, there was something about Iowa sort of especially in that first half, dominating things in the trenches that it's still a successful season for USC no matter what happens.
It seems, but I don't know.
We're into like year four of Lincoln Riley and this is still happening.
I thought Iowa's second half game plan was a little bit wonky, but you also have a passing game that doesn't really exist, so you're limited.
Speaker 3Iowa had the moment late.
I don't know if you have an opinion of it.
Speaker 4It was Caden Weechin along, you know, trying to tiptoe a catch in that would have changed the complexion of this game, you know, pull in a longer catch in traffic.
And it was reviewed and Iowa fans are up in arms that his toe tapped in and.
Speaker 3USC, you know, I didn't think his toe got in.
Speaker 4I think it sort of appeared to be in in one frame, but then as you watch, like his foot more fully land his toe hit the sideline.
But if you need that, that's not great.
I always penalize a little bit more than they were against Oregon.
I thought it was a really nice win for USC, all in to beat a team like Iowa in the weather circumstance that it was really nice win.
Next week's game should be enormous in Eugene.
Speaker 1Next week's game is going to be enormous, and again USC winning out, combined with Michigan beating Ohio State would put USC in the Big title game, sure, which is again I you know, I know this is kind of being pedaling a little too much in the world of the hypothetical, but I think it is at least worth up because Big Ten has so many damn teams, and I think we're used to the teams at the top, were used to the teams with controversy, but USC, despite the fact that they're always kind of in the limelight to an extent, has phone a bit under the radar with respect to that Big Ten conversation.
And this was a really nice win over a good team at home weird weather, but I thought this really showed me something on the USC side.
It wasn't perfect, but for sure, the fact that they got this win, that Lincoln Riley got this win, I mean, it seemed like they were pretty emotional in the sidelines.
They just meant a lot to them, and I think it should.
I was really impressed.
Speaker 4Down maybe their best offensive lineman in Elijah Page, left tackle down Kamari Ramsey, their best maybe their best defensive player overall.
Hopefully they can get those guys back for this stretch run against Oregon and UCLA.
But they're a beat up team.
They lost a They've they've been losing a bunch of dudes, so their depth will be tested.
Speaker 1I want to talk about the Big twelve next, but while we're here, we should at least do the speed run of the Big Ten, because there were a bunch of other Big Ten games that I think weren't mentioning.
We had a thirty eight point win for Ohio State over Ucla.
We had I this is quick math, I what is this twenty nine point win for your Oregon Ducks over Minnesota on Friday night?
Speaker 4Very sharp, They looked very, very good.
There was a complete performance.
They pressured Drake Lindsay and the Minnesota offense who was not able to do anything.
Dante more was very good.
Kenyon City came back and was excellent.
It was a complete performance from the jump.
Did I see that soda?
Speaker 1Dante Moor was like eighteen of twenty.
Speaker 3No, he was twenty seven of thirty.
Is how we've finished?
Twenty seven of thirty?
Okay, twenty seven of thirty.
Speaker 4A bunch of guys ran, you know, their averaging eight nine yards of carry.
They rotated a bunch of guys on defense, and it just was not that competitive a game.
So Oregon really showed out nicely.
Short week after that emotional win against Iowa, which has been the sort of calling card of Oregon.
They don't lose the games that.
Speaker 3They really should win.
Speaker 1Indiana did beat Wisconsin.
It was a sloppy start to this game.
They led ten to seven at halftime, but then they get it together in the second half.
They outscore Wisconsin twenty one zip the rest of the way.
Fernando Mendoza had more touchdowns than incompletions.
He was twenty two of twenty four.
We had four touchdowns.
You know, we've seen this a couple of times from Indiana.
Now where's it takes me a little bit to get going, but once they get going, they're pretty damn good.
Obviously, thirty one to seven was your final there.
Speaker 4Yeah, strong thoughts, happy thoughts, healing thoughts to Gideon Atuka, the Wisconsin running back who went down in this game.
Speaker 3They were running the ball pretty well.
Speaker 4They were sort of, you know, toughing out a lot of difficult yards against Indiana, and it was I think it was Charlie Becker who who helped open things up for Indiana, who has stepped in in place of Elijah Surratt in the receiving corps for Nando Mendoza.
Yeah, you're right, took a little while to get going, but once he did was nails.
Speaker 1Penn State wins the Land Grant Trophy twenty to ten over Michigan State.
A really nice day for Khron Allen.
Illinois knocked off Maryland twenty four to six and Michigan survived in Wrigley Field, Dan twenty four to twenty two was your final score.
They needed a thirty one yard field goal as time expired from Dominic Savada, their All American kicker.
Speaking of Jose Masa's, Northwestern kind of pulled a Jose Mason and this one, didn't They.
Speaker 3They did, They absolutely did.
Speaker 5So.
Speaker 4They had multiple opportunities to close us out in the fourth quarter in Wrigley Field, taking advantage of turnovers from Michigan and miscues from Michigan over the course of this game.
You mentioned the kicker.
Not a good game for Dominic Svada, right, He missed a couple one long, one, one shorter, one nailed the one at the end to win this one.
But Northwestern was in position to close out a huge win.
They I think they had the misfortune of generating converting whatever the word is five turnovers and giving up, coughing up zero and still losing.
So winning the turnover battle five love time five nil, which is I guess what the Chargers did when they choked away the playoff game against the Jaguars a couple of years ago.
Oh God, extremely difficult to do, extremely difficult to win the turnover battle five nothing and lose, And so I guess congratulations on that, Northwestern.
Speaker 3I don't know.
Speaker 4That was a very winnable game for the Cats, and good for Michigan for surviving.
Andrew Marsh was terrific freshman receiver for Michigan.
Looks like they have a true number one receiver moving forward for these least in these next couple of years, which is great news for Bryce Underwood in this offense.
Speaker 3But uh, got to get a lot of this cleaned up pretty quickly.
Speaker 1Yeah, you mentioned Andrew Marsh.
Twelve catches for one eighty nine.
Really nice day.
All right, let's get over to the big twelve.
We waited too long.
So BYU is still up pretty significantly on TCU at time of recording.
I think we can assume that BYUS unless they pull a Jose Mesa as they drive here for another score.
I think we can assume that BYU is going to emerge victorious in this one and probably slide up a notch on the new batch of college football playoff rankings when they drop.
In the early part of the week, Texas Tech ran one up on UCF.
That was a dominant showing forty eight to nine.
Utah very dominant in knocking off Baylor.
They ran for three hundred and eighty yards dan in a fifty five to twenty eight win.
Arizona goes on the road and knocks off Cincinnati thirty to twenty four.
A really nice showing for Arizona.
I am proud Arizona for the showing that they put in here.
We had k State winning by eight over Oklahoma State, and we had Arizona State hanging on to win by a twenty five to twenty three score over West Virginia.
Speaker 4Yes, West Virginia moved the ball quite nicely through the air and absolutely made that a game.
Coming back to make it a game.
Didn't watch any of Kansas State Oklahoma State.
You'll forgive me because Mike Gundy has built two teams.
Speaker 3I texted this to you earlier.
Speaker 4He's going to finish out his career essentially have with his legacy at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3Obviously he's gone.
Speaker 4Building two zero to nine teams in the Big twelve.
Woolf really nice win for Arizona again, a really nice defensive performance, not always on the ground, but getting a lot of stops.
I think Cincinnati was terrible on third downs.
Watched this one on and off, came away just super impressed with how complete a performance it was for Arizona, who coupled with their schedule which includes an Arizona State team down Sam Levitt that's had a disappointing defense this season.
Arizona has an opportunity with Baylor next week at home Arizona State on the road obviously in the Territorial Cup to go nine and three after last season and year two of Brent Brennan, which is pretty incredible because they already appear to be the better team in that state, which I never would It's wild.
Speaker 3It's wild reality.
Speaker 1And like the thing that you mentioned the defense, I mean that it was a great defensive showing their defense has been really good.
They're really good against the pass.
But one of the things that I think we talked about was that this was like kind of a perfect letdown spot for them after they lost to Kansas last week.
But no, they beat Kansas after excuse me, after they beat Kansas.
It was a chaotic win, yeah, after the Catoch win, right, but since he was the one who looked like they were in a look ahead spot with BYU on deck next week, they threw an interception on the first play in the game, like they they sort of got off on the wrong foot here, and you know, through the course of this one, it was the combination of the Arizona defense and the Arizona off Like Noah Fafida had a really solid game, It ran really well.
This was a big time win for these guys, and if you think of it more broadly, they're like an overtime loss, their last second field goal away from both BYU and Houston maybe being like eight and one.
So this has been a really good campaign for Brent Brennan.
He deserves a lot of credit for the way that he has guided this team, especially after the way it went last season.
Speaker 4By the way we'll say this, the Baylor game wasn't like a flash fry.
This was a one score game in the third quarter and then Utah just sort of went up another gear.
They flipped on the nas and it was all on the ground.
Baylor couldn't stop anything, but say robertson this offense, they had drives, they made plays, they were somewhat balanced, and then Utah just yeah, another gear and so Utah's gonna need help.
Speaker 3Though.
Speaker 4Utah's gonna need help for some sort of like big postseason aspiration given.
Speaker 3Where they are on the Big Twelve right now.
Speaker 1Yeah, I mean, there are a whole slew of possibilities in the Big Twelve.
And I did my best here kind of on short notice.
Speaker 3To try short because it's impossible.
Speaker 1Yeah, I did my best to try and piece together what some of the possibilities might look like in the Big Twelve.
We would need like hours on hours to try and go through all of these things because there are just too many possibilities.
I do think we've kind of narrowed the field down to like four maybe five teams that in theory could have a potential case to get into that Big twelve championship game.
But it's still very, very muddled, and it will be fascinating to follow for sure over these next few weeks.
Speaker 4Do you want to round out the sec A couple other big matchups, just sort of in terms of intrigue.
Ole Miss had just an eventual impressive win over Florida.
But this was back and forth in the first half and into the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3Was a game.
Speaker 4And I don't know whatever the opposite of Jose Mesa is in your closers world.
Speaker 3Yeah, I don't know who that.
If it's a mo rivera Marianna River.
Speaker 4Yeah, you'd have to exclude the postseason in a couple of seasons for the Yankees, of course, But take your pick.
Close this game quite impressively.
Trinidad Chambliss made a ton of plays, both of his legs.
Kewan Lacy goes for over two hundred yards in this game.
They eventually figured, let's just go straight at.
Speaker 3Florida on the ground.
Speaker 4This is an exhausted team, and Florida sort of threw everything they could in the first half literally and figuratively, and it looked like it was gonna go back and forth for four quarters.
Speaker 3It very much did not.
Speaker 4The ole Miss defense tightened up super impressively in the second half, made a ton of plays a semi malign defense this season given ole missus hopes, and came away with a really nice win against Florida in a what seemed like it could be like a weird Losable Lane Kiffin loses a fifty three to forty eight shootout type game.
Speaker 3Yeah, they definitely did not.
Did I see that.
Speaker 1A Mott Hardy ran for three hundred yards?
Speaker 4He did run for three hundred yards.
We correctly pointed out that the missoo running back room might need extra oxygen for all of the exercise they're going to get against the Mississippi State front.
Speaker 3We were correct.
Speaker 1Three hundred yards.
That's wild.
Speaker 4Yeah, Matt Zohler's had, you know, took a nice step forward.
I would say, you know, we'll see what he's able to do.
He has what Oklahoma next week?
Boprabula was out on the field.
He was warming up, he was going through some some motion stuff like we'll see but if and when or whatever happens with his future this season and getting back on the field.
But yeah, weh I throw it when you have a mon Hardy what he was doing?
Speaker 1All right?
So LSU won Tennessee one, Kentucky one.
Speaker 4Not pretty for LSU.
Arkansas made some mistakes.
Arkansas was right there had opportunities.
LS You want a game that counts that something counts for something.
Yeah, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3Elsewhere.
Speaker 1The only other conference that I think we need to round out here is some of the other stuff that went down in the ACC.
Yeah, and we had Georgia Tech needing a twenty three yard field goal with eleven seconds left man to beat Boston College on the road.
We had a really good game, a fun game I thought to watch on Friday night between Clemson and Louisville.
This game was I believe the first college football game that came on after news broke that YouTube and Disney came to their new pact and the programming became available immediately.
We're back, baby, So that was nice.
But this ended up being I just thought, a really interesting game to watch.
Twenty to nineteen.
Clemson emerge victorious.
Yeah, and Wake Forest beat North Carolina, which isn't noteworthy on its own, but I should point out that Wake now only speaking of teams that could go nine and three.
As we talked about what areas all right, Wake just needs to be Delaware and Duke, which seems very doable.
And Jake Dickard would go nine and three in his first season, which'd be crazy.
Speaker 4Which is absolutely bonkers, and with that defense, they seems not unreasonable that they could put a lot of pressure on Go Lopez in the North Carolina offense, which again struggled.
And it is worth mentioning because this is also a rivalry game.
It's an important enough game that they scheduled each other even when they weren't on each other's acc schedules, so that it's always meaningful for these teams to play and beat one another.
So I'm glad you did mention it.
Florida State beaten up on Virginia teche Good for Tommy c good for or State.
Speaker 3A beat up team.
Speaker 4Deuce Robinson went off against Virginia Tech, who was in the news, you know, starting in the early part of the Saturday college football news cycle because apparently there are ongoing serious talks with James Franklin.
Speaker 3Yeah, whatever that means.
Speaker 1Whatever that means to you in this moment, as James Franklin may or may not be waiting to hear about all of the jobs that may or may not become available and figure out what he wants to do with his life, that Virginia Tech and James Franklin apparently have mutual interest in one another, Well, see, I know nothing on this front, okay, but I think you'd be a really good hire for Virginia Tech.
He ended up being the guy.
Speaker 4Mentioned it earlier that Miami's defensive performance in Georgia Tech's defensive performance were very different.
This was like Miami firing on all cylinders.
This is also a Miami team that's beat up, like they had.
Younger guys on both sides of the ball played pretty major roles in this one.
I think Giord Pringle started at running back for the Canes.
This was another game from the jump.
Miami just fried an NC State offense, which has been a good offense.
It has generated a ton of big plays, couldn't do anything against Miami Miami, and it was immediate.
Miami's had had started games out kind of slowly at times, and they just they jumped on NC State.
So certainly the kind of game you want on your resume when you are trying to impress as many voters.
Although now we're down a voter and mac Rhodes right at Baylor or committee member as Miami can no quite impressive.
And then what the final game to talk about in the ACC.
I guess if there's any other thoughts stray thoughts about Georgia Tech Boston College.
Speaker 1I mean, when they gave up over five hundred yards again, I think it's the thing on the on the Georgia Tech side.
I mean, the defense has been a problem now for just more specifically these last two weeks, given up for five hundred yards.
And it'll be interesting to see what this game looks like next week against Pitt.
The game is at home, but you know, pick and move the ball, pick and throw, and I don't think that's great for Georgia TECHCA.
It doesn't seem like they're able to stop much of anything right now.
And I would say, secondly, Pitt, even though they gave up a long run and they gave up some of yours, Jeremiah Love, this is a defense that bil Art is pretty good at stopping the run.
And I think the combination of those two factors make them a really interesting pairing for Georgia Tech.
You know, we've seen Georgia Tech in a few of these games now where they're maybe closer than you would expect.
I think Georgia Tech is gettable.
I think you probably already know where I'm gonna go with my pick this week.
But I need to look a little bit more at it before I make it official.
But I just I think it's a bad matchup for Georgia Tech this week, given the way that they're playing defense right now.
Speaker 4In four of their last six ACC games, Boston College scored seven to ten thirteen points.
Okay, this is not a prolific offense.
They score thirty four against Georgia Tech.
Georgia Tech, their defense actually look like, you know, through six seven eight games, like a top fifty ish sixty ish type defense.
And maybe they's just a product of their schedule.
Probably almost certainly is one of the better improvement stories.
Bottom has completely fallen out.
And good for Tech for winning.
It was a really nice The final game winning drive for them was, as expected, obviously a huge dose of Haines king on the ground and through the air.
Speaker 3I don't know how you get.
Speaker 4This fixed, you know, two weeks before Georgia.
But they're they're gonna have to win these games forty five to forty unless they do.
Speaker 3So here's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1We're gonna play your week twelve reverbs right now.
We're gonna talk through some of our group of five scenarios.
That we've outlined here, and then we're gonna close this thing out with doing some doodle words.
Speaker 3All right, love that.
Speaker 1Here are your week twelve reverbs, a little bit shorter, but definitely more impactful in week twelve than we're used to shake.
Cut these together.
Let's have a listen.
If you didn't watch ECU Memphis, then you're doing college football.
Speaker 7Run led with it, Okay, Dan inside is Tommy Coleman from Virginia.
Speaker 6My name is Curtis.
Speaker 5I'm calling from Lincoln.
Speaker 6To say it's Royce from Philadelphia.
Speaker 5I think just with call them your missus today, it's pretty clear that this is actually sphincter typing Saturday.
Thanks.
Speaker 3Sometimes you just have to winner.
Speaker 5Mike Elko is a level twenty warlock.
Speaker 1I'm just so thankful he's on our side.
Speaker 6Gigle, Maggie's Notre Dame in Oregon.
Keep winning, and everyone has their sight set on soolids your bull Saturday.
But are we overlooking the very real possibility of friendship Friday?
Speaker 7The ugliest pieces furniture, I mean, trophy stays in state College.
Speaker 5We are so back.
Speaker 7Wow, Love Bummer in Tuscaloosa, Dan Tye, This the sooner point in Maryland.
I know that Caitlin to Boor wore the black hoodie of death, but did we just see Brent Naples introduced at the Black Polo of death?
Speaker 6Bloomer sooner?
Speaker 5I think after three big games this year involving duke football, I think we need our money back or a recent of some kind.
Speaker 6I know, I'm surprised as you are the Virginia played a football game that was not decided by one score.
By the way, thanks for picking duke guys.
Speaker 3Does the Big ten have a packed twelve problem?
Speaker 5Hi?
This is Steve and a Lama Georgia calling about eleven Indiana smoke.
Speaker 6We got them.
Coach fitwins again.
Speaker 1We beat some Hokies whatever that is, and now all we have to do is conquer some wolves next week and we get to go bowling.
Speaker 6Who to sunket?
Speaker 5Watching Texas versus Georgia is a lot like watching a PGA tour broadcast where the announcer is trying to argue over which player has a better short cutting game.
As a Texas fan, the on sidekick is going to live Rent straight in my head for an entire week.
Speaker 2I am a cow fan who also became an Acron fan through playing as them on NCAA.
I have now had the misfortune of watching Ben Finley play quarterback.
Speaker 5For two of my teams.
Speaker 2At least this time he's not getting reps over Fernando Mendoza.
Speaker 5Please fire Joe Morehead.
Speaker 2Hey guys, I'm calling to report that they're riding in the streets of Cambridge, Massachusetts as the Harvard Crimpson.
Speaker 1March down the field in the final twenty two seconds to beat ten on.
Speaker 3A fifty three yard field goal and Clinton Ivy League championship.
Speaker 1From way down town bag Dan fifty three yards for the win for hot That's.
Speaker 4Pretty good, pretty good.
So that sets up Harvard Yale, Right, Harvard, the biggest of them all in the IVY.
Speaker 1It's it's huge.
Yeah, all right, cool.
Speaker 3I saw it didn't last Also win thirty twenty eight.
They are easy.
Speaker 1They are setting up there, maybe a little bit of a look ahead spot for the laps sure being so, they host Leehigh and the big rivalry next week.
Lehigh won by twenty I believe, twenty seven to twenty.
We'll see big game coming up this week.
Speaker 5All right?
Speaker 3Was that close?
I thought Lehigh won more comfortably like twenty seven to seven or something.
Speaker 1What did I say, twenty seven to twenty, No, twenty seven to seven.
They won by twenty as well.
There it is, all right, So let's close it out with this.
We'll do dood alerts.
We'll let the fine people go the G six playoff spot.
I think the race for this is going to be fascinating.
Speaker 3Okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 1Here is what went down just among the contending teams were what I think are the contending teams in the G six.
Al right, over in the American we had Navy knockoff USF forty one to thirty eight.
Speaker 4Huge, by the way, they huge win.
Blake Horvap goes down in the second half.
They don't miss a beat on offense.
They take it to USF did a great job East Carolina.
Speaker 1The Pirates take down Memphis.
Now they were favored by three.
Yeah, three and a half depends where you look.
They end up winning thirty one to twenty seven.
So they win.
They cover.
They're an interesting case.
Speaker 4Yeah, and Memphis had the ball at the end with not that much time to drive the field and go for the win.
ACU got that stop.
Speaker 1Tulane beat FAU, no big surprise, there thirty five twenty four yep, and North Texas ran one up on UAB by a fifty three to twenty four margin.
Of course, they're not the nice screen tie.
No, of course, not the other game of note here on the G six level James Madison fifty eight to ten over app State, clearly aware that style points may matter for them given their current circumstances.
All right, Yes, we are almost guaranteed a three or four tie between some combination of ECU, Navy, North Texas, and Tulane in the American at this point.
Speaker 3Okay, I have not had.
Speaker 1Time to work through all of the scenarios yet, but I do believe that math favors ECU if they win out over both UTSA and FAU, which seems doable.
I don't know if there's a little bit of a letdown effect after this big win over Memphis, But should the Pirates go on and win their remaining games, they're in a really, really good spot to get to that American championship.
Speaker 3Yep.
Speaker 1The issue for the American is that they're all beating each other, all right.
They're pulling a real old like Big twelve right now, where they're potentially cannibalizing their own chances of getting to the playoff.
South Florida was ranked twenty fourth last week.
Obviously that's gonna change now.
James Madison was ranked by both the AP and the coaches pulls, but not by the committee.
I suspect that will also change.
So where do things stand right now?
I think when we get our latest batch of rankings on Tuesday night, James Madison is going to be ranked.
There are going to be a collection of American teams that are in the others receiving votes category, And depending on how this thing shakes out the last couple weeks of the season, it is going to be a true dogfight to see which one of those conferences and or the conference representative ends up getting ranked a little bit higher, and that will be the team that eventually gets that final bid and probably ends up being the twelve seed play and whoever the five is right.
So there's a lot, I think to play for and a lot to watch for.
I think you said it on one of the episodes you did a week ago, but like this is low key maybe the most interesting part of the playoff.
Obviously, we're going to have some teams in the top ten that end up losing down the stretch, and that will make the conversation more interesting, but sort of on like the fringes of that conversation.
Really, the race to be twelve is going to be fascinating, especially as these teams all play against each other conference championship games.
We know we're going to see some upsets.
I am very plugged into what's going on here.
Again, I have not had a chance to go through all the scenarios, but I'm going to do my part to have as many of those at the ready for when we do our next one on Tuesday.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 4I think everybody just needs to fall in line and everybody needs to lose to North Texas.
Yeah, that's the easiest path here because they have I think they have two easy ish games remaining.
They do, so their path to the championship game is I think relatively clear.
Speaker 1Yes, well it is and it isn't because once we start talking about four way ties, we start looking at things like getting to like the fifth tiebreaker in some cases, which involves computer rankings that I do not have access to.
Speaker 4But North Texas the only tie breaker they don't have is in this moment over South Florida who has two losses.
Right, that's correc Their path to the championship game is clean.
Speaker 3Their path LEA is relatively clean.
Speaker 1I mean, they beat you a B this week, They've got Rice on the road, and then they're home against Temple.
So I think if you look at all of the projection, like all the projected winners right now, let's put it that way, North Texas would be in there against ECU, right.
Speaker 4Because ECU has UTSA, which will be tough.
FAU not as tough, but those are both on the road.
Should also mention JMU because they're in this conversation has like a weirdly not difficult non conference.
They lose to Louisville, but they have Wazoo left as a resume piece.
I guess the only real resume piece for JMU at this point is that they beat Old Dominion earlier on in the season.
But yeah, this will be a fascinating end and of course as well to Navy has Memphis left in terms of a resume building National wine.
Speaker 1So intent it's going to come down to the wire.
It's going to be a bunch of teams vying for one spot.
And you know, there again before Duke loss, there was at least a possibility that two of these conference champs could get in if the ACC champ was not going to be ranked.
But I there's still a possibility for that.
I think those odds have diminished greatly.
Yeah, given the fact that Duke lost and uh, we're gonna have a bunch of teams vying for that one spot.
Yep, be pretty cozy, it'd be great, pretty crazy.
Let's do doodle words you ready plays?
Speaker 3Who are our dudes for a week twelve?
Speaker 6Dan?
Speaker 4I have Andrew marsh Trell Harris, Jacoby Thomas for Miami.
I have the Bowen Brothers and Tate Sandel for Oklahoma, kenyons Kenyon Kenyon Sandy Kenyon Sadiq for Oregon, Gunner Stockton uh for Georgia.
A lot of quarterbacks in a losing effort this week had big games.
I mean, like the picks from guys like Marcel Reid and Sawyer Roberts didn't work great, but they threw for a ton of yardage.
How do you not include a mad hardy in this list?
Haines King had a crazy, you know, kind of had to do it all himself efforts given what they needed to beat Boston College.
Speaker 3How about k Tron Allen.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm gonna say he's a dude just because of this season being as disappointing as it's been for Penn State, and he keeps just piling up the yardage and trying his best to end dudes lineages.
So good for k Tron Allen has been a dude, continues to be a dude.
How about oh God, I had his name here, Casey Concepts.
I had another nice game for TeX's A and m makhay Lemon.
I mentioned Reed Harris for Boston College in a losing effort goes for one hundred and forty two yards.
Speaker 3I don't know.
Speaker 4A bunch of really good dudes mentioned Kewan Lacy for ole Miss Pace that win for Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss against Florida.
A lot of really nice performances this week.
Speaker 1And I want to nominate Jacob Rodriguez, who oh Man got his first offensive touchdown for the second consecutive week, struck the Eisman pose to the rock.
Yeah, they put him in as like the wildcat quarterback high school quarterback, as it seems all these guys are high school quarterbacks.
Doesn't matter how big or small they are, they're that good at being out there that they're all their high school quarterback.
And yeah, they said that they repped some of these like wildcat formations in practice this week.
As it got a little bit closer, they started like fine tune what the play looked like.
And I saw some commentary from him after the game that yeah, he's standing on the sidelines and the coaches are saying, hey, man, be ready, be ready, be ready, gets the rock, has an opportunity to score down on the goal line and gets it.
So good for him.
Speaker 4Kind of love that this year's defensive players getting in on offense to get red zone looks are Texas techs and America's best linebacker one of the best three line you know, he's obviously buckets level.
And Caden Proctor left cat for Alabama, the two notable alt ball.
Speaker 3Carriers in the red zone this year.
Of note, that's all.
I'm sure I'm missing some Why don't we leave it there for baller hood.
Speaker 1I believe that covers pretty much everything that went down in Week twelve.
Of course, you know the drill.
We will be back on Tuesday.
We will talk through whatever news breaks between now and then.
I suppose we could have some We will, of course talk through overballer Top twelve, reveal what that looks like in advance of the committee's rankings, any lingering thoughts that we have after week twelve, and any big previews that when we want to do as sort of an early look ahead for week thirteen.
But coming down the stretch here, man, we've only got a couple weeks left here in the college football regular season.
Two in the regular season, the conference championship week after that, and before you know it, we'll be talking about playoff matchups and bowl matchups.
Speaker 3This is true.
She also mentioned Ohio State b UCLA.
Speaker 4There's the number one team the country.
We didn't really I mentioned it.
Yeah, I know you mentioned it, but like they're just demolishing everybody, no matter who they playing.
Speaker 3They don't have any scares.
Speaker 1It's incredible.
It's incredible, and there was no what Carnell tait this week?
Speaker 3Right, No must be nice.
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BYU is currently up thirty one points on TCU.
Seems like the Cups are gonna end up winning.
We will talk more about their plight and the plight of other Big twelve and pretty much every college football.
Speaker 4Mountain West teams, All Mountain West Conversation early this week.
Speaker 1Our next episode for that go with their Dan.
For myself, Tie has always stay solid.
Speaker 3Peace,
