Episode Transcript
Welcome to the solid verbal hull.
For me, I'm a man, I'm forty.
I've heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy.
You want to be happy for a day?
Speaker 2Edo State?
Speaker 1Is that?
Whoo whoo?
Speaker 2And them and tie Dan Rubinstein.
Speaker 1As we come on the airwaves today, as I look at my calendar, I have good news for you.
Speaker 2Always ready.
Speaker 1Welcome to October, my friend, It has finally arrived.
How are you.
Speaker 2I'm good.
It doesn't count as Broctober for Iowa State, even though Brock is gone.
We don't count that anymore.
Speaker 1We could call it October depending on how it's true for rock obect.
Speaker 2Yeah, true, two seas like thick with two seas, Rocktober with two seas.
Speaker 1That's exactly right.
Well, welcome then, welcome all.
Thanks for stopping on back here listening to the solid Verbal.
We've got week six in front of us.
Go back you listen to the episode that we dropped on Tuesday.
If you want the deeper dive for the Vandy Bama game of the Miami Florida State game.
We've got a handful of others on today's episode that we're going to talk through with all y'all We've also got an exciting contest.
We've also got your quads.
We've also got your window of opportunity.
We've got a whole bunch of other fun college football stuff to get you prepped in advance of Week six, Dan Rubinstein, as always, it is a pleasure to be back with you.
Speaker 2Yes, Oh, the pleasure is all mine.
Tie.
And speaking of pleasure, Tie, pleasure speak, don't ever say that, Steven, I have limits.
Sorry, speaking of pleasure.
I was looking at a number of these matchups, and you know, we like to nickname these Saturdays, and the theme I kept coming back to when I looked at these matchups was there's opportunity here, Ty, there is opportunity for teams, especially via opponent defense, to really do something special.
That there is an opportunity that if you are who you say or people say you are Nebraska or whoever.
Penn State's offense maybe they just ran into a buzzsaw of Oregon, but now they have UCLA right that there there is opportunity across the board to put up some points.
Right if Vandy truly hasn't played a defense worth a dang sorry for using the d word.
Their time that aggressive on this show can, thank you very much.
And Alabama has that passing attack and it is absolutely for real, for real, they should be able to make some hay through the air.
So tie, welcome to Sow your Oats Saturday once again.
Colin, get out there and score responsibly.
Speaker 1How is the mood striking you?
Now?
Speaker 2We've done a soyar Oats Saturday before, I believe, way back when and when we were younger men.
Sew your Oats Saturday?
Right, Colon, get out there and score responsibly.
I just think there's a lot of opportunity for teams to put points on the Yeah, given some of the defenses so far, that this is an opportunity to cement a prolific offensive status.
How about that?
Speaker 1Well, we're leading this show off with October and Sow your Oats Saturday.
Speaker 2Swordsman Saturday, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1What could be to follow here?
Speaker 2Yeah?
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Agree, Dan Rubinstein all right, So you're saying, sow your oats Saturday.
Speaker 2Do you want me to list out the teams?
Well, sure, if you want to, Okay, I think I think there's opportunity for the following teams right to sell their oats Colon, get out there and score responsibly.
I think Alabama has that opportunity.
I think Miami perhaps has that opportunity after what Virginia was able to expose in the Florida State defense.
I think Kansas State has that opportunity against Baylor's defense, and perhaps vice versa.
I think Cincinnati might have that opportunity very quietly against Iowa State.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Speaker 2I think that Notre Dame against Boise State's defense this week absolutely has that opportunity.
I think Clemson has that opportunity against North Carolina.
Speaker 1Oh yeah.
Speaker 2I think Pitt against Boston College has that opportunity.
I think Arizona against Oklahoma State, Penn State against UCLA, Nebraska against Michigan State, and Kansas against UCF.
Speaker 1Yeah, there's a bunch on here.
I think there are going to be ample opportunities this week for teams to establish themselves.
And as you were going through that, I was thinking of the old Pete Weber quote, who do you think you are?
Speaker 2I am exactly right.
Speaker 1There's a little bit of that going on here as well in week six.
Look, week five was jam packed.
There were a million games at all hours on Week five.
Week six is not week five, but week six is I think a very important sandwich week for us here at SV headquarters because as we look ahead now into week seven into week eight, which we will start doing next week, we got to get through this one first.
Yeah, but as we start getting into weeks seven and eight, you're again going to see this recurring theme of just monster matchups between ranked teams.
These are the types of games that help define who teams are, especially now as we get into the second half of the season.
But you can't get there before week six.
And as you said, though there are ample opportunities to score responsibly, to sew those proverbial oats, there are also I think plenty of upset opportunities here, and plenty of chances for teams that might be a little bit under the radar to step up and really impact the discussion in a way that's meaningful and maybe that we didn't see coming a couple weeks ago.
So I'm excited to get into all of this and much much more with you.
I just sort of want to dive in.
I don't want to be around the bush.
Speaker 2Now, Dan, time to help.
Speaker 1They need PIX of the weak again.
It is Week six.
Go back if you want to hear more about the two games that we previewed in depth on the Tuesday episode, Vandy at Alabama matchup of ranked teams Vandy at sixteen, Bama at ten.
Number three Miami on the road for the first time this season against number eighteen Florida State.
Alabama favored by ten and a half, Florida State favored by four and a half.
We've actually been getting messages from a bunch of people telling us that we're the only ones picking Vandy this week.
That's probably right, you picked him out right.
I'm not going there.
I don't think they're winning outright.
But again, my theory of the case here with Vandy and Bama is that these are two teams that play kind of slow, and if you're giving me ten points in a game where both play styles are more of a glacial pace as compared to the rest of college football, I'm probably going to take them.
Sure, and plus Vandy's got a little history here, and you know, far be it from me to bet against Diego Pavia.
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 2Vandy has behaved like a strong offense should behave again a limited schedule, and the age of Diego Pavia now into his mid to late thirties that has I like the receiving options at Vandy.
I like Alabama a good deal.
I just don't think Bama's a finished product.
And when you can't run the ball or don't try to run the ball, all that off and I understand like the ceiling of Ty Simpson is fascinating here with those receivers, with Jeremy Bernard and Ryan Williams, et cetera.
The line seems to have gelled nicely after that Florida State game.
There is just something about Alabama that I'm not fully there yet with and so I don't know.
There's something about Vandy still that in a letdown spot, not that they're being overlooked, but in a letdown spot for Bama right that it is a come down after winning at Georgia.
Didn't have that game right picked against Bama incorrectly that we both did.
We both did Kirby basically only loses to Alabama.
Speaker 1Let me ask you this, though, because this is the third or fourth time I've heard you mentioned this about the Alabama ground game, and I've got the scenes spreadsheet.
Is you numbers on the ground aren't good, not by a long shot.
Doesn't mean they don't have players who can run the ball, but it is certainly not a featured part of the offense, or at least not as featured as we've seen in the past.
How do you respond to the people that have chimed in have come back at us and said, well, they don't run the ball, because that's not really the featured part of the offense.
The offense is built around the past.
That's who they are, and it doesn't matter to us if they can't run.
Who cares, right, It doesn't matter until it does.
And there is still something about the ability to win in multiple ways, especially in the red zone, especially in tight games and short yardage situations.
Look, if you're going to go full air raid, go full air raid, and that's fine and you can make it work.
I'm just not there with Alabama that there is something that if you are going to be a team competing to win the SEC to go to the playoff to win a national championship, which is obviously the expectation in Tuscaloosa.
I don't think fully ignoring the ground game or fully ignoring the ability to improve there.
I just I think it limits your ceiling.
And that's my problem in these what I perceived to be tight Alabama games.
Even though they were able to pull it out last week, it was more of holding on than being able to establish and you know, dig that game away.
That's barely English against Georgia, right, that they don't score in the second half, that you know, it's fits and starts, drive wise.
That the ability to lean on the run, especially when it's working, I think adds a dynamic to an offense that I think might be being undersold by Bama fans in this moment.
But you know what, it's a long season and there's room for growth.
There's always room for growth, for sure, and I think they've come along really well.
I've been super impressed by ty Simpson, even if the Bama offensive effort in the second half against Georgia was kind of nowhere to be found, right.
Even still, ty Simpson has been a revelation since that Week one game and he has been damn near perfect.
So that that is the starting point.
Knowing the coach, knowing the offensive coordinator, knowing what they've built elsewhere, you got to feel pretty good about that.
And as I said time and again, now it feels to me like Ky Simpson's a better fit for the offense.
It seems like they are realizing this progressively throughout the course of the first half of this year.
And I'm curious to see where they go from here.
They got to go through Vandy first, and Vandy's going to be upset minded.
Vandy's a giant killer, Diego Pavia, big game hunter, right, There's just no two ways about it.
Curious to see what they look like here now on the road in Tuscaloosa, if they can spin up some of the same magic as a year ago.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Also in the Southeastern part of the good old US of A, We've got this big one in Tallahassee at seven thirty on ABC again.
We previewed this one in more depth on the Tuesday episode.
You can go back and listen to our thoughts on it there.
We're both on Florida State.
Though we're both on Florida State plus the points to come I don't yet to cover.
I don't think it's necessarily a swipe at Miami to take Florida State here, because this is a historic rivalry.
There's obviously a lot here, a lot.
Speaker 2Of I mean, it's only a swipe at Miami to the most sensitive Miami fans tie, so we're not really dealing with a lot of people.
Speaker 1Well that's true.
Yeah, this is a historic rivalry.
This has got a lot of baggage associated with it, and this is Miami's first test away from home this season.
Like Miami a lot.
I like the lines.
I like what we seen out of Carson Beck.
I like what they've got on the ground.
I like what they've got through there.
I love Malachai Tony and defensively that line is ferocious.
We've seen that a couple times now.
But this is a rivalry game, it is on the road.
Florida State's got a lot to play for.
I do think there was a bit of a look ahead going on last week when they were on the road of Virginia.
That's not the only reason why they dropped that matchup, right, but it definitely could have played a factor.
Florida State is going to be juiced up for this one, and it's a night game in Tallahassee.
In the dope, this is going to be a tough, hostile setting for Miami to again prove what they're worth.
If Miami comes out of this one, if they cover, if they win going away, even if they don't win going away, who cares?
Just going on the road and winning a game like this again in a pretty big rivalry spot I think is going to be pretty significant obviously in the ACC season this year, but the broader playoff discussion, this is one of those that I think Miami needs to have to prove to everybody that yeah, this wasn't just a flash in the pan for the first month of the season.
You'll win a tough one like this one on the road.
That's that's meaningful.
You can kind of build upon that.
Speaker 2I think you're right.
I think there's weirdly less pressure on Miami, even though they're the better team, and there should be a good amount of pressure on them, just because now with Florida State losing to Virginia, there is like, how good of a coach is Mike Norvell to get this team's head on heads on correctly?
Collective head on correctly for Miami coming home in a rivalry spot to sort of have that amnesia of saying, yes, there are things to fix, but we can't stay, you know, held up on everything that happened in Charlottesville.
So I think there's a ton of pressure at home, where the expectation, at the very least is to play very well against the team that it's very difficult to play against them is very difficult to play well against.
And so I think there's a considerablemount of pleasure on Florida State.
The expectation from Florida State fans is that this is a program that should be competing this season for the ACC, especially given where Clemson is now, Syracuse is down a quarterback, your Pitt Panthers don't look as world beating as they once did.
SMU is down, that there is ample opportunity at or near the top of this conference, and Florida State has an opportunity this week to say, yeah, we're there, We're there.
Speaker 1Look, we did the ACC power rankings on the last episode.
That was damn hard to do.
In the ACC.
After you get past Miami, it's just a big old smattering of teams that you can make a case for if you squint hard enough.
Yeah, Florida State's in there, but there are a bunch of other teams that are too, And it still feels like the ACC outside of that top line is pretty wide open.
Who knows what goes down here.
If Miami loses, the whole thing's wide open.
Speaker 2Great.
Speaker 1This is a really meaningful match, not just because it's a rivalry, but I think there's a lot of significance on it, in the ACC, in the playoff conversation as a whole.
Speaker 2So yeah, we talked more about it on the Tuesday episode.
Speaker 1Talk more about on Tuesday episode.
Go back and listen to that if you're interested in sort of the deep dive and the matchup and the keys and all that.
But we do have some other games to get to if you are prepared, mister Rubinstein, I'm ready.
High noon, ESPN two, We've got number fourteen Iowa State on the road at Cincinnati.
It is the first top twenty five team to visit Nippert Stadium since September twenty third, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2WHOA really wow?
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, they're going to be ready for this one.
That was when Oklahoma came to town.
It was Cincinnati's first ever Big twelve conference game.
Also of note, October fourth has a special meaning in program history for Cincinnati.
Okay, there was a game you may recall this one because we were doing the show twenty nineteen.
Well, freshman corner by the name of m Sauce Gardner Garner, Yeah, picked off your boy, Dylan Gabriel pick six.
The Bearcats beat then UCF by a twenty seven to twenty four score.
It was sort of the coming out party for Sauce.
Still UCF, but yes, still you were then you see Heff and now still considered to be used.
Dylan Gabriel was then with UCF right then quarterback down Gabriel, huge, huge moment and obviously since he has had huge ceilings since then and you know, dealing with new coaches and new rosters and everything like that.
But yeah, the modern history of Cincinnati football is terrific.
It is terrific.
We haven't talked at all about Cincinnati.
Speaker 2A little bit with the Nebraska week, but yeah.
Speaker 1A little bit.
They lost twenty to seventeen their opener to Nebraska.
Haven't really played anybody since, but nice comeback win last week.
YEP at Kansas.
They're very quietly three and one, and they're favored in this matchup.
They're favored by one and a half points over the number fourteen team in the country in Iowa State, which I find kind of interesting.
Okay, I have spent a good chunk of the last forty eight hours trying to make sense of that.
Really, Okay, I have Brendan Sourzby's been playing out of his mind at quarterback.
They are first in the nation success rates when running the ball, when throwing the ball, I guess there's seventh when throwing the ball, but easily top ten on both fronts.
They are not perfect, right, there are some caveats, but this is definitely at a minimum and offense that is playing really well.
Right now, take that, Dan, I want you to take it to the side, put it, put it up on the shelf next to the elf.
Okay, okay.
I am interested in this game though, because I still do not understand the point spread.
Speaker 2You think Iowa State should be favored.
Speaker 1I do.
Speaker 2I think you're bringing in last year's baggage with Cincinnati to a certain extent, and the injury stuff and everybody's beat up now.
But like I think you're bringing in prior stuff.
Continue.
Speaker 1Aren't we all?
Speaker 2That's true?
Speaker 1Aren't we all going through life doing that?
Damn?
Come on?
Speaker 2Agree?
Speaker 1Yeah, when there is a line that I do not understand, I like to steer into it.
I don't know if I can do that here.
But the reason that I think makes the most sense to me is that Iowa State is down there too, starting cornerbacks, both of whom are out for the year.
Yep, So I thought of that.
I'm like, Okay, well they can move the ball.
Sowersby's playing well, they are throwing the ball.
Well, is that enough for me, knowing what I know of Iowa State to go against them?
And I don't think I can.
I think I'm I think I'm in for a dime, in for a dollar with the Clones right now?
Okay, where are you at here?
Why don't you go first?
Because I have more to say here?
But I'm you.
Speaker 2Already went first.
You can't start talking about a game and be like, now you go first?
Speaker 1Well, why don't you go now?
And then I'm gonna go again?
Speaker 2Okay, I like Cincinnati here.
I think Iowa State is a good team, definitely good team.
I think Jerry's out right now on great team.
They haven't separated themselves consistently.
Now they've n the bell, right, they beat Kansas State and Ireland.
They take down with South Dakota and Iowa, and they ran away from Arizona, which they should have done.
That was impressive.
I think Cincinnati's a good team.
I know they might have one of the worst pass defenses in America, so they're gonna have to weather that.
Jalen Daniels through for seven hundred and forty four yards last week.
Speaker 1This defense is dead last one hundred and thirty sixth in the nation in completion percentage allowed.
Teams have completed seventy four percent of their passes against the Cincinnati Bearcads.
Dan, Yes, that is a lot.
That is not good for those of you playing long at home, not at all.
Speaker 2Yes, I agree.
Also, the other extreme number is they have given up the most twenty plus yard pass attempts I believe, not necessarily completions, but teams feel especially compelled to throw downfield, like we just try it.
I mean, we should definitely be doing this, guys, right, yes, yeah, yes, yeah sure, And they're fine doing that all their opponents.
I grant you that there is just something about Iowa State's defense that I don't think is.
I'm fully there with that they can go on the road and take down a quality team like Cincinnati, And I think people are gonna be juiced for this game.
What time is kicking this one?
Speaker 1Kickoff is high noon?
Speaker 2Oh, it's high noon, which I actually like for Iowa State.
But no, there is something about the offensive momentum that Cincinnati appears to have.
And I think Iowa State is good but flawed, and I think they'll be able to move the ball, and I think it'll it'll be a frenzied crowd in Nippert So I'm going with Cincinnati here the home team to be able to score points against Iowa State.
Speaker 1Yeah.
I've seen some conflicting opinions on this matchup, but I kept coming back to that pass defense on the since.
Speaker 2I agree it's the worst thing on the field, likely the worst.
Speaker 1Yeah, And it's not like the Iowa State passing offense is a high volume attack.
It isn't.
But Rocco has been really solid so far this season, and I think they're absolutely good enough to take advantage of a defense like this.
Also, this wouldn't be the first time that Iowa State shut down a high powered offense.
If that ended up being the case, that's kind of what they do, right.
I stand by what I said at the top.
I think the wrong team is favored.
I think Iowa State fines way to grind it out.
I think it's something like twenty four eighteen.
Twenty four to seventeen would not surprise me if we saw Cincinnati get off to a bit of a slower start after the emotional win a week ago.
Sometimes we see a little bit of letdown in the first half.
But I'm in on Iowa State, man, I've been in autum all year.
Give me the Clones twenty four.
Let's officially say twenty four to seventeen.
Speaker 2Okay.
The only other thing I would point to in this game is you look at Cincinnati and their actual like defensive scoring numbers aren't bad.
They're like a little bit above average, even with a terrible pass defense, which means they love a good bend but they don't break, and so their red zone defense is great.
And Iowa State in the red zone because Iowa State again can't run the ball at all, and so there is something there.
Those high leverage like third in goals or you know, first and ten from the thirteen when Iowa State has the ball, Like, I think that's going to decide the game.
Speaker 1Here High noon ESPN Plus.
Okay, Kansas State the Wildcats on the road at Baylor.
Baylor favored by six and one half points.
Did you happen to see that Dylan Edwards was finally back out there are more of a featured role last week?
Speaker 2Yes, a big deal.
Speaker 1Twenty carries I believe for one sixty six in a touch.
Yeah, significant moment for KSE State to get him back.
They have been reeling since that trip to Ireland.
They're two and three.
They played in four to one possession games, three of which went for ls.
I don't really understand case State Dan.
I still have not heard a cohesive argument for how we got here with k State football.
I know it hasn't been great, but they've been pretty close.
It hasn't been a total disaster.
I look at the spreadsheet.
There are plenty of numbers on here I point to and I say, oh, that's okay.
Obviously they're two and three.
They could be doing a lot better.
But it doesn't feel to me now a couple of games into this thing that case State is quite the disaster it felt like a couple weeks ago, and this is a really good opportunity for them on the road at Baylor, perhaps to re establish themselves, to build some new found momentum and carry it with them the remainder of the season.
Is it time to believe in our k State Wildcats?
Speaker 2Again, Dan, I think they're a good by low team, But like, what is it that you're If you're buying in Dylan Edwards, that's fine with him healthy, They're certainly going to run the ball better, it seems is a team that's pretty beat up.
I just don't know what you can count on them to do really well all the time.
You know, year to year, it varies what that thing is.
But the sloppiness on offense, especially through the air, is just killer to me.
Like they don't have a passing game at all, And so going to Baylor, going to all these places that have teams that have the ability to score points, I just don't know how Kansas State matches week to week.
So look, if you run well, that opens up the passing game.
Obviously, you'll be able to control clock a lot more and so that you can get more control if you're running the ball better, and Kansas State gets after the quarterback reasonably, well, I don't think they're turning it into sacks, but they can't lean on the defense.
They've had relatively consistent quarterback play before Avery Johnson.
They don't have that.
I just don't think this is a team right now that's built to win eight nine games, and obviously it's up far.
It's pretty unlikely at this point in the season that they are.
But I think they're improved.
I just think there's even with Baylor's defense, there's more to like about Baylor.
But here's the butt.
I'm bringing the butt on Sowyer Oat Saturday.
Colon, get out there and score response to responsibly.
Now Baylor Kansas State just feels like a back and forth.
It just feels like a little bit of shootout potential in this one.
I don't have either one of these defenses.
So I'm gonna go Baylor to win thirty eight thirty four.
I think it's that kind of game.
Speaker 1I'm not too far off, actually, Okay, And as I was going through and looking at numbers and kind of also a nooner, this is a nooner that is correct as I was trying to put all of this together in my head.
I kept feeling like, Baylor is that meme from Moneyball, you know what I mean, the one where Jonah Hill's up at the whiteboard.
Yeah, this is Baylor football, Dan.
Their offense is electric, their quarterback leads the nation in passing guards and touchdowns.
Their deficit is that their defense is a wreck.
Yeah, it's still a wreck.
It's not better.
I love the offense.
I just think it's a bad matchup for their defense.
If Case State can get it going on the ground, if what we saw a week ago with Dylan Edwards, if that's going to be now more of a trend.
If Case State does get back on track on that front, they could definitely jump back onto the radar if they go to Baylor and they win this one.
Out right, So I'm with you, I actually like case State outright though I've got this at thirty eight thirty.
Whoa.
I think I agree that there's probably a lot of shootout potential here, but I think it's going to be case State reasserting itself, getting going on the ground.
If they can do that, if they can control clock, keep the Baylor offense a little bit more off the field.
Again, their defense case States is not amazing either, right, but I think with what they can do on the ground, potentially that's an opening and that's a really good matchup for them to exploit.
Speaker 2By the way, this is what Oklahoma State has done this season against FBS teams in Oklahoma.
Scored Oklahoma State because they what they did to Baylor last week?
Sure, okay, Oklahoma State scored three points at Oregon, twelve points against Tulsa, and then twenty seven against Baylor.
Speaker 1Right.
Speaker 2So I'm just saying, and maybe it's a post Gundy bump, but Baylor's defense has not arrived.
Speaker 1Are we going to play this game the remainder of the season where it's like, how many points did Oklahoma States score against you?
Speaker 2Yes?
Speaker 1I don't hate that.
Actually, by the way, speaking of Baylor's defense, there is one aspect of it that I love.
Okay, have you seen their turnover prop.
Speaker 2You showed this to me.
I had not before then, but yes, now I have.
Speaker 1Whenever somebody recovers the turnover, whether it's an interception or a fumble, they got a full bear coat from the closet of their strength.
Coach Vic Valoria it is awesome.
It is I don't know where you go from here in the turnover prop game, right, go and read, go look, look it up and google.
There are guys on the sideline wearing a full bear outfit, like a tanuki suit in the old Mario.
It's great.
I love this so much.
Speaker 2I didn't know that people wore bear fur I didn't know that that was a chosen fur coat.
Yeah, I've heard of like a mink coat.
Speaker 1Oh, I had.
I had a little bit of bear on the back of my baseball glove when I was growing up and playing in the mind.
Speaker 2I've seen the rugs.
I've seen the bear skin rugs.
Speaker 1Yeah, those creep me out.
I don't like that.
Speaker 2Not my thing for in general, is not my thing.
No, but I can appreciate the look of it.
Speaker 1Sure the bear coat.
Go look up the bear coat.
Even if your anti bear coat, it's pretty statement piece.
H's something, all right.
So we sort of agree.
We're both taking the points here at a three point thirty ESPN number nine, Texas on the road at unranked Florida, Texas is a seven point road favorite.
Dan, would you'd like to take a ride with me on the underthink express.
Speaker 2Sure, let's ride it.
Speaker 1Jootcho Florida is one in three?
Would you say it in a bit of a state of crisis.
Speaker 2I don't even know if it's crisis.
I think everybody's sort of at peace with what's going on.
Speaker 1Yeah, they're going to fire billion apiers.
What right?
This is how this story ends.
The offense has been painful.
It has been painful.
So now what you're telling me, if this schedule is to be believed, and who knows what we can believe anymore?
Right, we are going to take that offense and we're going to put it up against an elite Texas defense that probably is the best they're going to see all season.
Realistically, how many points can we expect here from Florida, like, barring four turnovers and short fields from Texas?
That's set up?
What is the truly now, what is the upper limit for points that Florida can score against Texas?
Speaker 2Twenty four?
Upper limit?
Realistic number upper if everything goes right?
Twenty four.
Speaker 1I don't even know if it's north at twenty Okay, I might have it at seventeen.
Speaker 2Got Dallas Wilson back Dallas.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm excited about that.
Actually, Yeah, I've been waiting for this.
If you believe that Florida can cover this game, I think you're counting on one of two things.
The first is that Florida's defense, which is tough and has kept him in games this season that they come to play.
Texas offense has definitely had some warts as well, you know, notably in the passing game, Arch hasn't been good.
So maybe the defense can kind of step up and provide a different look, a different equation for Steve Sarkisian to try and solve.
And then the second bit of that would be the home field advantage because they're playing this one in the swamp, right, which, look, We've been around college football for a long time at this point, you can't discount these loud home environments unless it's a wide out apparently, So I think there is a case to be made for Florida.
I'm not necessarily buying it, but more to the point that you made earlier about Florida State maybe having more pressure on them despite being a dog, I think you could probably make a similar case for Billion Apier and the Florida Gators because they need an act of God at this point.
I think to retain his services, or for him to not be fired and be retained at Florida.
It may already be too little, too late, but this is sort of like a must win situation for them, and perhaps maybe some desperation mode will light a fire.
No, that's it.
That's the best I can do if I'm trying to craft that case.
Speaker 2Florida Gator's home Dog of the Week, play the sound.
Speaker 1The Yakos Home Dog of the Week.
Speaker 2Yacko's Hot Dogs is not a sponsor, well, certainly could be.
I loved my experience at Yako's.
I don't know if I love the food, but I loved my experience there.
It checked every box of like an old time neighborhood hot dogs.
It was everything you wanted in more.
Yeah, yes, exactly right.
The case of Florida is easy, right.
You got to be able to ride the roller coaster when you have a central belief system like I do, and that is good defense at home tough place to play underdog.
Right, as a home dog, you take that team.
Okay, you take that to Rubric quarterback and defense.
Though my Rubric is quarterback in defense.
But anytime you can give me a home dog with a good defense and a tough place to play, which the swamp very much is.
I take the points.
Speaker 1We were talking about DJ having the yips a week ago, and.
Speaker 2I stand by it time right to be true.
Speaker 1At the same time, I don't mean interrupt, continue, please build your kid.
Speaker 2How many points it's week one?
But how many points did Texas score on the road against a good defense on the road?
Uh?
Seven seven points, one touchdown?
So you don't need twenty twenty four points if we get a similar performance from Texas in this spot, right, sure, you don't need that many points.
I grant you.
This is by low.
I grant you.
This is believing in a last stand, last hot dog stand, if you will.
There is something about Florida in this spot.
They have equal time off rest.
Right, they were both off last week rest advantage, so there's no rest advantage.
But it is rest home and the worst of Florida.
And you could argue that also existed at home against USF.
But all right, you can.
You can say they you know, overlooked the bulls whatever they got to win that game.
That's a stupid game to lose in the manner that they lost.
That's a stupid way to lose that they were awful in Death Valley against LSU, certainly very bad against Miami offensively.
But I think they have the defense.
And what is it that you've seen from Texas this season in Austin away from Austin to make you say, I think they're going to have this figured out against a good defense in a tough place to play, when I believe.
Speaker 1UTEP was a struggle, right, So well, look, it's it's a very good question.
Speaker 2I understand why Texas is favored.
Yeah, I just I would imagine three and a half, four and a half.
That's just a bigger number than I anticipated.
So they're my home dog, and I'm not thinking twice.
Speaker 1Okay, I mean that's valid.
I just I can't go with Florida because it feels to me like Florida is in disarray.
Speaker 2You gotta buy low.
They're a penny stock.
You gotta buy low, you gotta have.
Speaker 1Faith, but they're less than a penny stock.
It feels like they're in disarray.
It feels like we were in desperation mode three weeks ago and we're still there now.
It doesn't feel like they're getting better now.
Maybe Dallas Wilson gives them some pop.
I don't know, right, but I'm just not buying it.
Like, if you believe that Florida can cut or you're counting on that defense, sure, and even that defense, which I generally like the defense, they're not getting pressure at all.
If they were, maybe you could craft some sort of case given Arch Manning struggles that involves turnovers and field position, and I'm just I'm not buying that.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1I understand why the spread is where it is, but to me, this looks like a fairly comfortable win for Texas.
I think it's something like twenty seven to thirteen.
And actually this might be a bit of a neck crack for Arch if I could say that for a second.
How fun sixty one percent completion percentage so far this season.
Don't be surprised if we're talking about this game a month from now about how this matchup for him, this showing for him on the road in the swamp turned things around.
I think we're gonna get a good showing out of him against this defense.
Twenty seven thirteen is my final.
Speaker 2We disagree three thirty ESPN two it's the hoose, Yeah, buddy.
Speaker 1Ranked twenty fourth in the Country AUDIESPN two on the road against Louisville.
Louisville is a seven point oh favorite.
They are undefeated.
They are obviously hosting a surprise team in the Virginia Cavaliers.
This is very quietly a massive conference game in the ACC.
Speaker 2It very much is.
Speaker 1You're right, it is a massive conference game that nobody's talking about.
We haven't talked about Virginia much at all this season, or Louisville for that matter.
But if we could just replay this for a second, it was a mammoth upset, even though it wasn't a mammoth point spread, but maybe an upset more in name only that Virginia would win that game.
A week ago in double overtime against Florida State.
Their offense is rolling over forty five a game, over two hundred and forty rushing yards per game.
Dan Chandler Morris has been a revelation at quarterback.
It's a very balanced, it's a very dangerous attack.
So the question is can they continue that momentum that was an emotional win at home a week ago?
Speaker 2Now?
Speaker 1Can they continue that again this week against another tough opponent or are we going to see a bit of a letdown.
How do you feel?
Speaker 2So the concerns with Virginia are obvious, and the appeal points for Virginia are obvious.
Right that they're able to move the ball, they're beat up up front on offense, They're able to weather that against Florida State.
The defense is a concern for Virginia against a team that can move the ball like Louisville.
Although Louisville has been led by their defense this season and it's you can point out that it's a letdown spot for Virginia.
That's totally fair.
Given the emotional nature of that win against FSU, it's kind of a letdown spot for Louisville as well.
Needing to come back and beat Pitt on the road.
That was a tough spot that they were able to go out.
Speaker 1They were down seventeen zip after a quarter.
Yeah, they had to force five turnovers.
To your point of being led by defense, Miller Moss has been solid, but not spectacular correct and notably for what it's worth.
If we're talking of this in terms of the point spread, Louisville has not covered the point spread at home all year.
They did last week, but they have not covered that point spread at home.
They're zering three so far this season.
Speaker 2They also needed a strong fourth quarter to beat Jmu.
I want to say, Who's obviously a good team earlier on in the season.
It's not a direct letdown look ahead for Louisville after beating Pitt.
I think they have Miami next, but it's after a bye.
There is something about Virginia that I just believe in that I think this show travels.
So I'm taking the points you.
Speaker 1Want to believe.
Speaker 2I want to believe.
Okay, I'm believing in the Who's right now?
I think Louisville's good, But there is something that I mean.
I said that you were using old stuff to inform your current opinion.
I don't know if I can escape.
You know, Miller Moss Memories and last season.
Speaker 1Miller Moss Watch extends across multiple seasons.
Speaker 2Right, Moss Watch continues.
And so I think Louisville is good this year.
Obviously we talked about the ACC being wide open and Louisville.
Why not Louisville right after Miami?
Of course, I just I don't know.
I'm a Virginia believer, and it's again double letdown spot.
It's on the road there's every reason in the world to think Louisville.
But something strikes me that the Cardinals haven't been especially pronounced in their wins.
And I'm I'm not gonna say lro luck runs out, but I'm just not a believer that they're on solid ground yet.
Speaker 1Virginia is like the Bell and Polar Express, where you can see it and you could see somebody shaking it, but you can only hear that sweet, sweet sound if you truly believe.
Speaker 2Oh, I haven't seen Polar Express.
That's Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1You never seen Polar Express.
Speaker 2No, you're out here watching kids movies.
Speaker 1I watch a lot of kids.
Speaker 2It's one of the bet Hold on, this is the Polar Express?
Is one with Tom Hanks?
Right?
Speaker 1Is one with Tom Hanks?
Speaker 2Yes, and it's animated.
Speaker 1It's animated.
It's fantastic.
Speaker 2It's from two thousand and four.
Speaker 1Listen.
I'm a huge Chris van Alsberg fan.
I was back in the day.
I still am to this day.
I got a whole collection over at mommy age's house.
Speaker 2If that's the author, that's the author.
Speaker 1Yeah, okay, he put his dog in all the all of the books and everything.
Yeah.
I got an autograph from him.
I was very into Chris van Alsberg.
Holy holy, yeah.
Okay, so don't lecture me on polar Express, Dan, but.
Speaker 2That's the first place you go with like believing, with faith, polar express the bells.
Speaker 1The first place I go.
It's the first place I'm going.
Speaker 2Here right, fair enough to where you stand.
Speaker 1I don't believe.
Okay, I'm not hearing that bell.
I like the momentum that Virginia might have, but I do think it's an obvious letdown spot it is going into this game with Louisville.
I think this is gonna be a fun game.
I think Virginia's offense is good enough that it's going to score, but I also think that Louisville's defense is good enough that they're going to force more turnovers.
Totally, and I'm just like the letdown potential that could be on display for Virginia, that to me is a little bit worrying.
Now, maybe they come out, maybe they show a level of maturity that I am under selling right now, and if they do, good for them.
I'm not rooting against Virginia.
It was an incredible win.
A week ago.
They're ranked in the top twenty five.
I was looking.
I think we talked about it at some point, but like, there's a really good chance that this is a team that gets to eight wins at this point given the remaining schedule, which would be an absolute coop for Tony Elliott.
Right he was on the hot seat to start this season.
So to come now into this game with real ACC Conference ramifications, that's a huge win for them.
Good for him, great for them.
I'm just not on it.
I'm not on it.
It's still a good story even if they lose.
I've got Louisville something like thirty five four, and I'm actually gonna make it my lock of the week, luck of the week.
So maybe the best news yet for Virginia.
I wasna saying I might lock up Virginia right now.
Holy moly.
Speaker 2Okay, fair enough some.
Speaker 1Other quick games.
Let's just mentioned him here in passing please.
I don't know if you've got thoughts on Wisconsin at Michigan.
This one's at high noon on Fox, Michigan favored by sixteen and a half points.
Yeah, are we done so on Wisconsin at this point?
Speaker 2The only thing that you can feel, I think decent about in this game is Wisconsin has done a really good job against the run.
Now, granted they played against Alabama, who doesn't run the ball and hasn't had a lot of success.
I don't know what the exact numbers were from that game, but the numbers have been okay, And actually, no, they've been pretty good for Wisconsin against the run, and obviously we know that's where Michigan shines the brightest on offense.
But yeah, throwing into this Michigan defense, Michigan coming off of a bye, I think this equal rest time Wisconsin also coming off of an off week.
But I just there's no real reason to believe Wisconsin can keep this close.
And there is every reason in the world to believe that Michigan can generate points from their defense via short fields and you know, maybe get some explosion plays.
So I'm on Michigan here to cover a big spread.
But I don't know.
There's just the lack of offense from Wisconsin.
I just don't know how they get to thirteen points in this one.
Speaker 1This is like forty one seventeen or something like that.
In favor of Michigan, I'm with you three point thirty on Peacock Boise State making the trip to South bend to square off against Notre Dame.
When I made the document earlier in the week, it was Notre Dame minus seventeen and a half.
It jumped up to twenty and a half.
I still don't think it's high enough.
I think Notre Dame is going to absolutely beat the daylights out of Boise State that game a week ago against Arkansas, And granted, Arkansas's got its own ishe They just fired their coach as a result of what Notre Dame did.
But Notre Dame I think sent a real signal later in that game when they were up like forty points and chose to run a fake punt.
Sure, this is a boise defense that I don't think is very good.
I just don't it's not.
So my thought is that Notre Dame is going to run it up wherever possible.
I think they know what the assignment is.
I think they know they need to look damn impressive every game moving forward.
They do have a usc game coming up in a couple weeks that's obviously the biggest one left on the schedule.
But Boise State could well be a top twenty five team by the time, all of a sudden done You never like to count a team like Boise out of that G five slash G six whatever we're calling it, playoff spot.
They're not my first pick at this juncture, but Boise State obviously has some name recognition and they're going to be part of that conversation.
Whether you like it or not.
Notre Dame is going to hammer them.
They're absolutely going to hammer them, making it by lock of the week.
So I don't want to jinx it, but I think Notre Dame wins this one going away by like thirty points.
Speaker 2All right, you heard it here first, Ty and I agree Notre Dame's defensive issues are done with Notre Dame.
They're not done.
Chris ash are on the same page.
Everybody's locked in.
They're ready to continue a pace with their defensive dominance in the field.
Speaker 1Is Boise's defense?
I agree that probably, and they're going to get destroyed.
Speaker 2Boise can move the ball.
They've been scoring points, granted lesser competition.
Notre Dame traditionally does not struggle with G five teams when things are looking good.
Right now, I'm just being an ass tih.
That's where they exactly struggle.
Speaker 1No, No, I'm aware, thank you.
Speaker 2I think there's no real reason to feel great, like to feel great about Boise State keeping this reasonably close, unless you are truly that against what Chris ash has done with this defense.
Because the offense does appear to be in a really strong place for Notre Dame.
CJ.
Carr looks more and more comfortable by the week.
You know, the Malachi fields like Jaden Greadhouse there Notre Dame.
You're gonna have to sort of sit down for this and write this down.
But they're throwing the ball to receivers effectively.
Speaker 1Carr looks really good.
Speaker 2I haven't said that in a long time.
Speaker 1He looks really good, really good.
Speaker 2He against Arkansas, granted Arkansas, but that's a real opponent.
The comfort he had and the effortlessness with which he played stepping into the pocket.
He's not buying time by running backwards or anything like that.
You know, he throws the ball down the field confidently.
One of your complaints early on about Notre Dame this season was that Mike Denbrock and you know, Marcus Freeman weren't opening up the offense.
He was going downfield, went down like he would.
It looked like he was very much encouraged to take shots.
He wasn't the most accurate all of the time, but whether it was play design, whether it was Arkansas's defense, there he hit plenty down field to wide open receivers, and so I thought that was a very good sign for what No.
Dame's offense can be moving forward.
Speaker 1What I like about what I have seen so far a very comfortable in the pocket, doesn't seem to be two phased by anything that defenses are throwing at him.
It helped that he had time against Arkansas.
Right, you bring pressure, it's a different story.
But he seems to like very effortlessly work through his progressions and he doesn't get happy feed while he's doing it.
He processes the game very quickly.
He seems to always know the right place to go with the football, even if the passes aren't fully accurate, and even still the accuracy is pretty good.
It's just he's young.
He's still stepping into this thing and learning what it takes to be QB one.
I'm very encouraged.
I'm incredibly encouraged.
I have been screaming at the top of the mountain for years now.
Please develop some sort of downfield passing a game passing attack.
Excuse me.
If you do that, especially now with this compliment of running backs, and if the line can progress, that makes the whole thing better.
It makes the whole thing better.
They didn't try any of this against Miami.
They tried a little bit more of it against sexis A and m but those are separate conversations.
Altogether, I really like what I saw for Notre Dame last week.
I think they're gonna pound Boise State this week.
Speaker 2I think I'm with you.
I just couldn't find that reason.
The other thing is the Boise State passing game these past couple of seasons, whenever they play a very much real team.
It just like, even though Maddix Madson threw some nice passes against Penn State last year, I think he threw three picks in the game against Penn the playoff game against Penn State, like the just the passing game is not there against the realist Boise opponents.
And I think you'd need that against Notre Dame.
So yeah, I'm going I think Notre Dame wins is very comfortably.
Speaker 1We'll see some under the radar games, Dan, Please, if you're looking for reasons to be interested in some other matchups.
I've got a handful of them for you today, Okay, sure, start at high noon, Big ten Network number twenty two Illinois, fresh off that big home win over us SEE on the road in West Lafayette against the Perdue boiler Makers.
Speaker 2Small drummer, big drum.
Speaker 1Perdue, huge drum, big base.
You got the biggest drum, huge drum.
Yeah, Purdue a nine and a half point home dog.
Very interesting.
Let them look ahead spot here for Illinois because the.
Speaker 2Middle child sandwich of the middle Child is actually a really good name for a letdown lookout.
Speaker 1I don't hate it.
I don't make a great sandwich too.
Down a field, huge win last week over usc big game on deck at home against Ohio State.
Sandwich in the middle.
We've got the lowly Perdue boilet Makers.
I will add one other thing, though, Dan.
This comes to us from verbal or Samantha Perdue is oh and ten on weeks where Taylor Swift releases an.
Speaker 2Album that's not against the spread though, just in tent just stand up.
That's just outright.
Speaker 1Yeah.
Okay, So I am sorry to say this, but sadly it's true.
The Swifty First is coming for Purdue again.
Album something like, I'm a showgirl.
I believe it comes out of a showgirl.
Speaker 2You excited?
Speaker 1I mean I'll check it out.
Speaker 2I don't know if I mean i'll check it out.
Will you have a final copy in your house?
Speaker 1I'm sure Kate's already ordered it.
Yeah, okay, I check it out.
Yeah, okay, don't be ashamed.
I'm not ashamed, too old to be ashamed.
I'm not picking Prdue to win out right.
It wouldn't surprise me if they cover, though, because this is a weird spot for Illinois under the radar game, I agree three thirty also, hold hold on, hold on, hold on, hold Oh go ahead, good?
Speaker 2I fully agree with you, do you?
I'm taking points here.
Illinois SECONDARYA is beat up.
They tried everything they could to give away the game against usc.
Perdue can only do one thing well, and that's throw the ball.
I think Barry Odom's a good coach.
And which program allowed the twenty twenty four Perdue boiler Makers to score fifty points in a game?
Are they bringing a swifty curse?
Is that what you're telling me?
I don't think I'm not at right, but I think that Illinois gets a scare and they win this game.
Also, the last time Illinois went on the road, they lost by fifty five points or something.
Speaker 1They get a swifty scare.
Yeah, swifty scare now three thirty ten Network.
Yeah, Washington on the road at Maryland.
H I'd a very angry Maryland fan right to us.
Speaker 2By the way, were we being dismissive or not mentioning Maryland enough?
Speaker 1I think we were being dismissive in the pregame or the preseason.
Excuse me, I didn't think much of this team.
I didn't, I really didn't.
I don't know if I was right or wrong about that.
I do think they've been better than I expected.
Speaker 2Fau and IU Taos in Wisconsin.
Who's about to fire their coach?
What can't they do?
Continue?
Speaker 1They are a six and a half point home dog.
Now with Washington traveling cross country, yeah, I love betting against against teams that go cross country.
This might be my new favorite thing on this show.
Speaker 2Okay, I'm in a letdown spot.
Speaker 1It is a letdown spot.
I am going to take Maryland plus the number.
I think Washington's better, but this could be an opportunity for Maryland to win a game outside the month of September, which is kind of new in its own right, as we recorded this October.
First, you're right, it is October.
So here we go.
Let's do it.
Let's go Maryland plus the points.
But I'm still on Washington out right.
Speaker 2So the numbers indicate that Maryland has a strong to very strong defense.
The opponents indicate that who knows, right for Maryland, we kind of have a concept that Washington's defense is not all that good.
They weren't that great against Ohio State.
They weren't that great before Ohio State.
Maryland's offense is not that good.
Starting a freshman quarterback, there's going to be some lumps and they're not going to open up the full playbook likely for him.
Speaker 1Like him, though, Yes, I do like him.
I think he's looked pretty good in his.
Speaker 2Owner interesting ceiling.
Yeah, I like Maryland here too.
Yeah, Washington lost to Rutgers last year, but that's last year, different quarterback, different team, whatever.
I think Washington's good, but I think it's a tough spot.
I think Maryland at home with even if the defense isn't strong to very strong, even if it's just fine, that's there's still a dog.
I think people are gonna be excited.
What time is kickoff?
Speaker 1Kickoff is three point thirty on the Britain Family.
Speaker 2So not a crazy body clock situation for Washington.
Sort of right in the middle there.
I'm gonna go Maryland here.
This is just the kind of spot.
I'm gonna go Maryland outright by the way.
Woo yeah the turtle twenty seven twenty four Maryland outright fear of the Turtle.
Speaker 1Four o'clock FS one.
We got Michigan State on the road at Nebraska.
Nebraska favored by eleven and a half points.
Dan, it feels like a lot of points.
To be honest with you, it.
Speaker 2Does feel like a lot of points.
Speaker 1Like if Dilan Royola is half as good as everyone's been yelling at us, he should have a field day against Michigan State.
Right, this is not a good Michigan.
Speaker 2State past and they're beat up.
But I think linebacker Michigan State is like they have.
They have a lot of defensive issues in this moment.
Speaker 1Yes, I just think Sparta is feisty.
I think they're going to score.
I still generally like their offense, I like their players.
I think Nebraska wins, but I want Michigan State in the points.
Man, this is way too many points.
Speaker 2What did I put down here?
I put down?
Oh, here we go.
I gotta scroll down for Michigan State Nebraska.
Speaker 1Oh.
Speaker 2I didn't even pick a winner in this game.
I'm not taking Michigan State because the game is in Nebraska.
But to your point, you are always in a game against a team who can't stop the run.
And Nebraska cannot stop the run, and Michigan State can move the ball a little bit on the ground.
I think they're better through the air than on the ground, but in this kind of environment bringing that defense to Lincoln, I think Nebraska wins this game and covers double digits.
Speaker 1Seven pm.
ESPN.
It's number eleven Texas Tech on the road at Houston.
Houston is a eleven and a half point do I'm not making any kind of wild prediction here.
I'm just going to say that I'm generally interested in home dogs, as you know, and my common all year has been that Houston place tough.
I think Houston is tougher than meets the eye.
You can bring out some of the offensive numbers.
I know those aren't great.
I get it again.
We have the same spreadsheet, so I've seen it.
I understand where you're coming from.
Yeah, I think this is an interesting test for both sides of this one.
I think Tech is better.
Tech is going to win.
It would not surprise me if this ended up being like thirty to twenty and Houston gets a little bit of a backdoor cover.
Speaker 2They have a common opponent this early on in Oregon State, Texas Tech shall lack the beaves.
I mean a lot of people are going to beat Oregon State this year, and Houston beat them in overtime.
It was a narrow win.
Texas Tech is likely very, very good.
We're also taughtalking about a home doog with what we think is probably at least a pretty good defense here.
I don't know if i'd consider Houston a swamp level difficult place to play.
No, so I'm not there with Houston and my belief system.
I'm taking Texas Tech, but I don't love it.
I don't love them in this spot.
Does Texas Tech have any sort of look ahead because they're coming off of bye which I like as well as is Houston know Houston played Friday night against Oregon State.
Texas Tech has Kansas tough, but not like that's not what biggest game of the season.
Speaker 1Now, if it were two weeks in the future, you could say, well, they're on the road at Arizona State.
That could be a little bit of a look ahead.
Agree, I don't see it this week though.
I think they'll be focused.
I think they'll be ready to go.
They're coming off of a bye week.
I think they win.
But it again, Houston is one of these teams that kind of scares me.
And I stand by what I've been saying for a while now, they're going to dump.
Speaker 2The well coach team.
Speaker 1Houston's in this same class as like Wake Forest teams that you know, still trying to build the thing, still trying to figure it all out, working with new coaches.
I guess we'll Yeah, Houston's second year guy and Willie Fritz, but still kind of piecing this thing together.
It might take a while, but these are teams that are playing with a lot of heart.
When you're a home dog, I don't know at nither Way.
Yeah, big team coming in.
I let's say thirty to twenty.
Let's say that that's my final thirty to twenty.
My prediction Tech wins Houston covers.
Speaker 2I don't hate it.
Also Baron Morton on the road is not Baron Morton and Lubbock and not even close.
Speaker 1Ten thirty espn Okay, Duke at Cal Cal is a three point home dog.
They are also ties Home Dog of the Week the Yakos Home Dog of the Week.
I hate the cross country travels situation, the hinterlands of the I hate it going even more when you're going from east to west west east.
I can deal with east to west.
Forget about it.
Okay, I got Cal out right here.
You mey Cal outright with the points.
I'm all on the Golden Bears here.
Speaker 2I have Cal outright as well.
Duke weirdly has one of the worst pass defenses I believe in the country, and they're getting your guy Jks and Tron Grizzel.
I really wish it were Grizzle, but it's Grizzel.
Yeah, I'm gonna go Cal here.
I think it's a good matchup.
This is, by the way, so it's a ten to thirty PM Eastern kick.
So this is ten thirty Duke body time kick, which they'll try their best to acclimate.
And by the way, top Dog is the hot dog of choice of yours truly in the Berkeley area.
Speaker 1I thought you were retired from hot dogs.
Speaker 2It doesn't mean I can't recognize a good dog from my past.
Speaker 1You actually came out of retirement this past.
Speaker 2Did briefly come out of retirement?
I was starving at a tailgate.
Speaker 1You just like suddenly fell silent because we walked.
I think I mentioned this on one of the shows.
We walked eleven point two miles around the tailgate scene outside Beaver Stadium, and at one point we went to visit Tyler, one of our long time for bawlers, who graciously invited us to his tailgate.
By the way, if you invited us to your tailgate, you're gonna get an email from us shortly.
Yes, But we went to go see Tyler.
We walked down a hill to get there.
It was kind of a long jaunt to get over.
Yeah, And at some point you just sort of fell silent.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1And there was a passing moment where I was like, is Dan's still with us?
Mentally?
Speaker 2I'm not sure.
I'm still not sure.
Speaker 1I'm still not sure either.
The same could be said for me.
So he came out of retirement.
You ate a hot dog, you said it was good, So that's.
Speaker 2Well, it was just I hadn't eat eaten anything.
And it was Tyler, right, that was his name, he probably still is.
He's like, oh, we have some food if you guys are interested.
There's some like buffalo chicken pop salad.
There's some hot dogs.
I think we're out of our burgers.
So yeah, yeah whatever wasn't like guys load up on food, right, wasn't like crazy enthusiastic, but very hospitable and nice about it.
And I said, Tyler, I'm about to eat your food.
That was so hungry.
So I took down a dog and some pasta salad.
Speaker 1It was great, awesome, awesome, still a really good time.
Yeah, legs is still a little bit sore, but that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2Yeah.
We d it like four different tailgates.
Speaker 1It was the best a couple other games.
Rapid Fire.
I just want to go through these Rapid Fire, Okay, please do high noon ESPN Clemson on the road at North Carolina.
Clemson favored by fourteen on the road.
Speaker 2I'm going North Carolina.
Really, you know why?
You know, why?
Speaker 1What the hell has Clemson done?
Fourteen points is so many points?
What the hell is North Carolina done?
I totally agree, Ty, I am on your side.
I think I legitimately stink this year.
Speaker 2Yeah, is there evidence that Clemson doesn't fourteen?
It's just too big a number.
It's just too big a number.
Speaker 1Okay, it's fine, you want.
Speaker 2To do that.
You sure I do want to do that.
Yes.
North Carolina's defense at times has been fine.
Speaker 1One PM on the c dub Wake Forest at Virginia Tech.
Virginia Tech.
Virginia Tech favored by seven points here.
Speaker 2Yeah, six seven points.
I'm taking Wake Care.
Speaker 1Give me Wake Baby, give me Wake.
Speaker 2Weg is just going to be a thorn at everybody's side, and they're going to win some of these.
They can stop the run.
Obviously, Virginia Tech ran the hell out of the ball.
Was it Terry and Stewart for the Hokies last week?
I just think it's a good matchup for Wake Virginia Tech squeaks by.
I just don't think they've earned a number like that.
Let's go to the nightcap seven thirty sec.
Speaker 1Network.
It is Mississippi State on the road at Texas.
A and M.
Now, no crazy predictions from me.
We both think pretty highly of A and M.
Yes, you had them number one in the sec No.
Speaker 2I did not.
I said there's a case for like four or five different teams.
Yeah, excuse me, but you had them up there.
Yeahissippi State has been a very good story so far.
Speaker 1I'm interested in seeing how they match up.
There are another one of these teams that feels like they're going to be hard out the rest of the way.
Texas A and M is at home, they're at night, but they're favored by fourteen points.
Is that too much against Mississippi State for me?
Speaker 2Yes, I'm taking Mississippi State here.
It's obviously a letdown spot losing to Tennessee in overtime.
There is just something about Texas A and M, like they're very clear flaws to go along with clear talents and advantages that I think you need to be closer to a finished product to be favored against what I believe to be in Mississippi State a quality team, not a great team, a quality team.
And so it's kind of like see it before.
You're fully willing to get on board with A and M here because there's like, the running backs are great at A and M.
The best of Marcel Reid is great.
The offensive line has been dependably very good, for Texas A and M.
There's a lot to like about this defense, but in terms of producing, stopping teams in the red zone, finishing drives, I'm not there for a number like that yet, and this is a great week to prove it.
Speaker 1And the last one that I've got here on my lists, the Rapid Fire list, seven point thirty on Peacock, Minnesota on the road at number one, number two.
I guess it depends where you look, if you're looking at Verbowler Pole or elsewhere.
Ohio State is favored by twenty three and a half points against the Gold Go First.
Speaker 2It's a lot of points.
Speaker 1It's a lot of points against the highest graded passer in the Big Ten, Great Drake Lindsay.
Speaker 2Ohio State hasn't been especially explosive this year on offense, nor have they really tried to be.
They're not taking shots with Julian saying they're working them in with reasonable I don't know they're being very deliberate with how they are playing offense.
I think they're just led by their defense and smart decision making on offense.
And man, I wish I believed in Minnesota.
I wish they could move the ball somewhat on the ground.
I wish they did something excellently on defense.
I just don't think they're going to keep it all that close.
That said, this has like prime Ohio State, very like crock Pots.
Gets out to like a thirty five to seven lead, pulls starters near the end of the third quarter, and there's just like a nice comfortable backdoor cover from Minnesota losing this game thirty seven to fourteen, something like that.
Speaker 1I am going to go Ohio State.
Yeah, but I am genuinely curious to see what Drake Lindsay looks like against this defense.
I like Drake Lindsey.
This continues my long standing tradition of liking every Minnesota quarterback until I feel like I've been slighted.
Speaker 2If you're not watching on YouTube, Tye is wearing his throwback eighthan caliak manas Jersey right now, that's right.
Speaker 1If we're being honest, there could be a little bit of look ahead here for Ohio.
Well, yeah, Illinois on the road next week.
It's a big game.
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Speaker 1Me High noon on Saturday, Richmond at three and two on the road at buck Now three and two.
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Typically, I don't go Nelly's.
I'm gonna go Nelly's here.
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Speaker 1High noon Yale two and zero on the road over here at Goodman Stadium, Lee High Mountains five and zero on the year, trying to make playoff push.
Dan gave me the Mountahawks.
Speaker 2Let's go back Lee High by thirty five, Yeah, yeah, no question.
Speaker 1Twelve thirty Fordham one four on the road at your Lehigh?
Uh no, what did I say?
Lehigh?
Lafayette?
Speaker 2Lastete me?
What are you doing?
Speaker 1Well?
I see Lafayette, I think Lehigh because Lee High owns Lafayette.
But right, alas Lafayette three and two hosting Fordham.
Who you got?
Speaker 2I got Lafayette?
Speaker 1Pick.
Speaker 2Did we not meet a bud of yours who lives in Easton?
We did shout out to I believe Andy, Magnificent Beard, Andrew excuse.
Speaker 1Andrew, wonderful Beard.
He's a penn stater though he's got no affiliation.
Speaker 2With what I know, but he knows where.
He knows where championship lives are made, and that's Easton, PA.
Continue One pm.
Speaker 1Morgan State two and three on the road at Georgetown also two and three, this one being played in multi sports field.
I think we know which direction we're going here.
Speaker 2Uh yeah, we're going Georgetown here.
You gotta go that situation.
Speaker 1What are you gonna do?
Two pm.
Colgate one and three on the road at Cornell Battle of the Seas Cornell, Oh and two.
We got.
Speaker 2Ivy's tough man.
IVY Week is tough.
You know, the IVY League.
They're going to the playoffs this year for the first time I saw that FCS playoffs.
Yea eligible, I'm going Cornell here.
They're getting on the board against.
Speaker 1The Gators and last, but certainly not least.
Yeah, Harvard two and oh Harvard on the road at holy Cross?
Holy Cross?
Is this right?
They're zero to five?
Speaker 2Yeah.
A lot of people are saying the Oregon State of the pat League.
Speaker 1That's what A lot of that is not od.
Speaker 2Harvard by a million.
By the way, do you know Harvard and Bill C's SP plus ranks is like eightieth in the country.
Really is that they're ahead of Fly Northwestern, in UCLA and Oklahoma State.
Harvard is top I believe eighty five or ninety in the country right now.
Their quarterback is legit, Jadeen Craig, I call him Blade and Craig colon cutting through defense defenses.
Yeah, Harvard's in a good place, man.
Harvard's tough.
They won the IVY last year.
I think they're going to beat holy Cross by I don't know, eighty to ninety points.
Speaker 1This legit means that Harvard could be favored over like Ucla.
Speaker 2I think if we were to ask Bill and get a custom spread or a custom prediction against take your pick of teams that are down P five or G six whatever, that Harvard would be favored on a neutral field by a handful of points.
Speaker 1I love it.
I love it.
So look this weekend isn't his jam packed as last.
So if you do need to go out and be amongst the people, if your window opportunity, I think your windows anytime before we before four pm Eastern time, even if it goes a little bit later.
Yeah, back maybe by five, catch the afternoon showing of cats.
Whatever you're into, go to the pumpkin patch.
Dan and I we were talking a lot about farms on the way home.
Maybe you're into like the apple picking thing.
Someone's dragging you out to do that right now?
Speaker 2Insider donuts.
Speaker 1Sure the reason for the season.
If you gotta do that, just be back by like dinner time Eastern.
Speaker 2Okay, has mel Hiper season started for you?
Are you picking up pumpkin pies of Wegmans?
Speaker 1Oh no, I don't.
I don't need storebop pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2Can you excuse me?
Are you going to make a pumpkin pie?
Or are people making you pumpkin pies yet?
Speaker 1Mom age has already begun the process?
Yeah, okay, I don't want to burn door.
I just want pumpkin pie.
Speaker 2Does does anybody respect that wish?
Speaker 1Generally?
Speaker 2No, Okay, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1But my pumpkin pie for me is I'm not full Kuiper because Kyper eats one a day apparently.
Speaker 2And your birthday is Thanksgiving season, right it is?
No, you're in your mid to late forties this Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1How dare you?
Speaker 2It's great?
You should get a pumpkin pie.
Speaker 1I'll make sure pumpkin pie season.
Speaker 2Okay.
Speaker 1I guess the opposite of the window of opportunity is if you want to be a quad fix My.
Speaker 2Question to you is how bad you really want place?
Speaker 1If you're going to be around your TV anyway, you're not going to be going out.
Your optimal quad is actually in the afternoon.
You can build this either if you've got one of the streaming services that lets you build it, or if you just got a bunch of screens you want to make it on your own.
But three point thirty is sort of like the jackpot Vandy at Bama, Texas APT Florida, Virginia at Louisville, and you know, because we're both interested in Washington at Maryland that's also in that range.
You could, depending on your affiliation sub in Boise at Notre Dame, Penn State at UCLA, although I don't think that's gonna be much big game or staggered a little bit.
The four pm game, the Michigan State versus Nebraska game I think could be kind of interesting as well.
So you got like seven really good options, all within about a half hour of each other.
If you want to build the quad and truly recognize and realize your destiny as the quad father in week six.
Speaker 2By the way, if you want to build quads, listen to Tom Platts and do squats.
That seems reasonable, maybe like a healthy amount, not like a crazy.
Speaker 1Don't do yeah, don't do what he did.
Speaker 2But if you're a Penn Stater and you want to build love handles, go to Lucky Boy for a breakfast burrito in Pasadena.
Oh buddy, Oh that's good stuff.
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