folks it's law crimes and we are always on time and we are never late hello everybody can i uh before we make the introduction shout out to like the 40 people who've accused me of like gooning the entire time i did well i mean i didn't know what you were doing while i held up this podcast so oh it was but it's fine like because it's it's the fact that we stopped we're fine We can't see Hal's hands, all I'm saying.

But yeah, hello everybody.

Welcome back to Law Crimes.

And we've got a special guest today.

Who's this?

It's a man.

Who are you?

Why are you?

Some would say a man.

Some would say someone who had an internet technician exactly when this stream was supposed to start and held you all up about, oh, I don't know, 31 minutes.

um some would say many things of that nature but uh i'm very happy to be here as well it's uh it's good to as i've met the gang piecemeal over the course of the last couple of months it's nice to have everyone in one room again we're all here it wouldn't be a law crime stream without yeah i had to show up to one of my phone because the router unplugged five minutes into the stream so is that edward cullen team edward team edward wow shout out to the twilight series who i have been re -watching recently i want to do a twilight movie night in the law crimes discord i am yearning for it Wait, hold on.

What's our swearing policy on this?

Oh, fire away.

Okay, dude, that fucks, man.

We should do that.

Can you invite me and DK to that?

Never mind.

Never mind.

I take it back.

No swearing.

Get off.

Today, folks, we are doing a tier list about many different factions of 40K, and here are the rules.

We are ranking based on the lore representation for each of these factions.

Yes, I know.

There's a lot of space.

marines here but just remember they have the lion's share of the law um thank you so they're all dark angels is what you're trying to say here boys yeah yeah yeah the lions show up gang signs and stuff like that i think uh do you think the fallen have like like crypts game sign gang signs the dark angels have like blood gaining signs i think the fallen whisper uncomfortably close to your ear each time they speak i just think they uh they fly on discomfort No, not my boy Zabriel.

There's no way.

It's not possible.

He could do no wrong.

We should say that we obviously, this is, there's going to be fights in this one because we all have differing opinions.

The leagues of Otana are in this one.

There's going to be a fight automatically.

I'm ready to throw down.

Cheers, Bricky.

Bricky has the, I believe Bricky has a concoction that was.

mentioned in the ad -rec episode that Colin was on.

Hold on, I have the perfect sound effect of this, Ricky.

Hold on.

I wouldn't be able to hear it.

Oh, thank you.

Is that what I think it is?

No, it's not.

Damn.

It's just water with orange Miro in it.

That's it.

He died as he lived.

He just made me laugh halfway through because I knew what you were thinking when you said it.

What I'm thinking?

Please.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Remind me again.

Remind me of the concoction combination again.

Corona Light Fireball and Monster Energy Zero Ultra.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Okay.

Corona Light Monster energy zero ultra and fireball can can you please door dash me these items asap don't ask why don't ask questions just consume more i was halfway through this halfway through this podcast i will be having a good time enjoy that drink and then give it to someone you hate Well, to be honest, I think this is probably a record for killing Bricky in the first 10 minutes.

That was quite phenomenal.

As soon as we started.

We're all in the Discord right now, apparently.

Discord is what?

Check out our Discord.

So let's get this cracking.

These are in number order for the first 20 chapters or 18 of them.

Let's start off with the Dark Angels.

The Angles.

Morning Angle.

Well, we're just getting right into it then, huh?

No foreplay, no nothing?

No foreplay, no raw dog.

I've got to be honest, Horus Heresy doesn't have good Dark Angels content, in my opinion.

It's like, this book is a bit too far that it's not even involved in the heresy.

This book's a bit mid.

This book, oh, they're kind of in this story in the Siege of Terror, but it's just coarse wane.

I don't think there's a really good...

horus heresy dark angels book and outside of that you've modern 40k they're okay i'm gonna has real stuff can i can i ask a question before we get too deep into it so i know andy and and um uh how yes sorry i'm pointing i'm not sure is this direction or not yeah but um uh are are the i've read every single book in the world people oh yeah i'm a complete loser yeah all right okay uh eli are you part of this very sad club uh not for space marines uh for the for the unfortunate xenos factions who have bad lore i've unfortunately read most of their books okay so so what are your thoughts on Never mind.

I wanted to make a jab at a Farsight book.

I hate Farsight books.

They're garbage.

Phil Kelly, shout out Phil Kelly in my name.

Phil Kelly is the worst author.

His PFD right now in Discord is Phil Kelly.

I hate the Phil Kelly Tao books with a passion.

You said before, if you saw Phil Kelly, it's on site?

It's on site.

um colin i i don't remember if we talked about this in adric or not but are are you a 40k book reader i don't remember if you were i i read a few but not not really okay okay well i know he's a fantasy guy but i wasn't sure how much of it had like a overlap the only reason i asked these things is because obviously i am not as red as these two And I'm trying to figure out who are my kindred spirits in this podcast.

Colin's read one Horus Heresy book, I think.

Yes, I've read one.

And I've read probably a third of the Horus Heresy.

I don't touch Space Marine stuff very often.

I think the book's usually bad for Space Marines.

I've read a great deal of excerpts, but only one cover to cover.

gotcha okay well because that's the thing i was curious about because i have not read many horus heresy dark angel books and for the most part they seem to be the lion being an uh and then some cool course wayne stuff and then i like if lion son of the forest did not come out i would have put them like an entire tier lower because i think that book absolutely rocks yeah this is where it gets like if we basically sum up you know really probably not very well but in a short way dark angels are essentially i don't know like it has a thing where so many of the books lean into there like we have layers of secrets upon secrets and you know the lions my favorite part is one book where a dark angel's talking to the dark angel doesn't realize it's the lion somehow he doesn't realize he's like a huge huge space marine just like towering over him for some reason it gets a bit convoluted in the horrors heresy books he meets kyros fate reaver for no reason and then he bashes off his own son's heads but then codex law and particularly again it's not based off of art direction or things like that but their codex law is interesting i do like the fact of their hunt for the fallen even though it kind of had a makeup change but man i just i can't get i i do love dark angels i have dark angels their codex is so cool too like they're all their old codex and they have probably the coolest aesthetic i know that's not what we're talking about for the tier list but yeah how much does art direction art direction aesthetic factor into this absolutely not at all otherwise would be at the top yeah for them i can't completely separate it because they They're no ultramarines, but I think they've got the best aesthetic.

But the thing is, though, when you look at modern Dark Angels, they're kind of bland.

Like, War of Secrets, Prime Mars goes, he's just wearing green with occasional bits on him.

And it's just like, oh, we've got the green wing.

They're just green guys.

Like, they lose a lot of the, like, the flowing tabards and the winged helmets.

It's more just, like, I am a green fella.

like cool i think i would i would agree with you i i do think though that like i kind of have to separate myself from the here's the model that everyone would paint a color of your chapter and i have to look at them more as like their dedicated models and if we do we're looking at like new asthma die inner circle companions deathwing knights and they look And the Deathwing itself.

We have a color scheme within our color scheme.

You guys.

Is Samael still around?

Is he still around?

He's still around.

He's on his big ass bike.

war of secrets is dog water and it's an it's a it's a town book in disguise probably the worst 4k book i've ever read actually no blade of truth that's really not true far side blade of truth is the worst one i've ever read there's a flesh terror book that i have not read all that don't worry I wish receding hairline upon that author.

I've read Pandorax, that's technically Dark Angels.

Pandorax is a Dark Angels book, technically.

And they're kind of just jerks the whole time.

I've read War of Secrets, and they're kind of just jerks the whole time.

I've read Fallen Angels and Descent of Angels, and again, they're kind of just jerks the whole time.

It's all really mid.

And then there's The Lion, and it's like, oh, it's good!

It's just way up there.

Maybe C tier?

you know what but their cortex floor yummy from my belly I'm feeling a bit of a B myself I think I may have put them lower if it wasn't for the lion book I think the lion book just just like it carries it on its back a little bit I don't know it is a redemption of their kind of like for all the bad that has come before it is like a nice like the whole point of that book is redemption as well in a way in which it's like you're maturing you're growing up the lion's grown up literally i mean you look at tywin lannister you know like i mean we're all getting there like the forehead gang in this uh call is pretty strong you know advertising there but yeah it is a good book that one i i know again like because unfortunately me and andy have punished ourselves by reading A different author for every single Dark Ages book.

And the thing is, there is that infamous short story where Asmodai starts messing around with another chapter and doing his fallen shenanigans.

There's the one with Balthazar, who's one of the captains.

Lazarus's book is kind of cool, where he basically fights a moss entity.

Lazarus is like, oh, I'm on a feudal world with knights, and what's the enemy?

Moss.

Sentient, evil moss.

Alright, cool.

Cool.

But it's also like, and then the end of the book is a real tease.

It's like, Lazarus, we just got a message from the lion.

And you're like, oh, okay.

That's where it's at.

Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.

I think we've sucked that into the ground, that one.

They should get at least a B tier, though.

Yeah, their corner store is really cool.

Yeah, their overall lore is one of the coolest things.

You know, these secretive space marines that are actually monks.

And the Fallen are always cool.

The Fallen are cool.

The Fallen are very cool.

And Deathwing.

And they have a cyborg space marine.

I would say they got a whole ass Men of Iron Legion in a storage garage somewhere.

We don't need to worry about that.

Just for little cool things they got.

They got so much little cool things.

I like the Luthor book.

Yeah, I'm happy with thee.

We're going to be here for a while.

Yeah, we might be.

Yeah.

Kill him.

I'm an Eldar fan.

I don't like Eldar.

So, I mean, I think we should keep him.

I think, I don't know.

I think Emperor's Children has one of the most deplorable assholes of all time in Lucius.

I love him I love Lucius to death because I think he's just like he's like Erebus treatment he's just a huge prick so if he couldn't get I I don't know if Eidolon takes that to be honest though particularly like that guy couldn't get his tongue further into Fulgrim Emperor's Children do we do we include Fabius Wilde in Emperor's Children oh yeah I think these guys are A tier at least A tier minimum their Horus Heresy books are really good The Fabius Bile trilogy is really good.

What's his name?

What's the 40K guy who just got a book recently?

I've read his novella, but not his next book.

His book is just like, I'm really bad as a leader.

I like this.

I will say, I have not read the new Fulgrim book, because I don't want to be disappointed, and I've heard only horrible things about it.

I've got a joke for you, Eli.

I really like the Fulgrim book, but I don't like the Fulgrim book.

Yeah, uh -huh.

I've read a lot of Warhammer books, and you're making me feel like I've read nothing.

Yeah, because he's read 40k.

I also read a lot of random map books, but Emperor's Children, I've actually read most of their books.

Angel of Terminatus is cool.

Angel of Terminatus is really enjoyable.

Fulgrim's a nice character before he turns into a demon, and then he's obviously a demon primarch.

They can't be Aether.

Oh, sorry.

no no i was i was thinking like the only reason they're not an s is because i think fulgrim's like layer blade transformation is kind of stupid yeah it's kind of crap words out of my mouth everything and the broad strokes probably my favorite like fall of a trader legion when you look at the specifics it's my but my lord your your your dick vein sword you can't go anywhere without that That book's really good, but that plot device, MacGuffin, you can tell they didn't think the Horus Heresy would be more than like 10 books max when they wrote that.

The next one, I'm gonna, I'm going to yell at you, Colin.

If you say F tier, I'm going to yell at you.

Oh, we're going in Legion or I just realized that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So Iron Warriors next.

Oh, I like the Iron Warriors.

I hate their dad.

His book, his omnibus, I'm so good.

I love it.

That alone, I'm like...

I'm not an Iron Warriors expert.

I'm not Pearl Travel's top guy, unfortunately.

I remember reading the Pearl Travel book, and I remember being like, God, this dude's great.

I like the Pearl Travel book, but that was like five or six years ago when I read it, so I barely remember it.

But I remember liking it as a kid.

These guys are the epitome of anus.

They are.

I need more.

Epitome of anus.

Listen, you know, Perturabo's brows are so big he could smoke a cigarette in the rain.

Okay, this guy is...

He's clearly wrong with his Primarch, but overall, Iron Warrior lore is genuinely like...

There's no letdown.

There's no terrible book or anything.

I like the Legion's lore.

I just hate their dad.

You say that, there's a really cool short story that you can only get in the special edition of the Honsu book.

Of course, Andy's written it.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

You got a serial number?

As far as I'm aware, it's the only modern Perturabo lore where Honsu goes back to Medringard and basically plays regicide with him and they have a chat.

It's really good.

But you can't get it anywhere other than the special edition of this book, which is stupid.

Put it on.

Put it on Audible.

Well, I found a copy.

Put it on Audible or put it on Kindle and we're happy.

But it's like, no, it's only in this special edition limited version of this.

GW, why?

Why would you do that?

I'll say, if people get the pleasure to get far enough into the horror's heresy to start Siege of Terror, the Iron Warriors are the best parts of the Siege of Terror novels generally.

They are just...

They're just nuts because there's parts where they have their inner rivalry between the three, the Trident characters, like the main leaders of the Legion, who basically they're always like, how do I backstab this motherfucker?

And there's parts where like, I'll talk about one crazy scene, which is the Iron Warriors are assaulting one of the Lionsgate spaceport.

It's a big part of the book, but essentially...

They are disguising themselves in cultists by literally covering themselves in gore and in a cataphractic Terminator play, like marching through.

And they break in, like literally, they tunnel under like a mountain of corpses to get in.

And they're stuck inside, like a group of them.

And they just keep fighting.

They don't give up the entire time.

And a hundred of them come out.

And it finishes with the whole point of like...

this is what it means to be iron within, iron without.

The ones who survive are truly the strongest.

The iron warriors have a cool mindset.

I do have to follow it up that I do think they're good pieces of lore, and they did the iron warriors well enough, but my favorite of the heresy is still Talarn and Barabas Dantioch, and not Barabas for the reason because he's cool.

I like Talarn because it's when Perturabo learned that a Lehman Russ cannon doesn't care if you're a space marine.

You're just going to die.

I like Barabas Dantiac because the book ends with, hey, dickhead, something out there is real hungry and it's your fault for getting its attention.

Isn't that theoretical?

No, isn't that the passage of one of the last pages of the book?

something's eyes for a second just saw light and it moved?

I don't remember.

Andy, please tell me I'm not either making this up or I read something.

Despite the branding, I do not remember that specific passage.

I'd have to check.

I think you're correct on that being a passage, but I thought that's like...

it's not quite enough confirmation for like is this the tiered reason type deal you know That would be pretty cool if it was.

I think that is.

Yeah, because it goes to in the size of the Emperor books, it's like they are the guardians of where the sofa device was on Sofa.

The Pharos device, you say.

And that's where they're like, oh shit, these guys.

It's not Talon, the book.

I was getting confused.

It's Pharos, the book.

No, those are two different things.

That's why I was like, oh, Pharos.

Can I please get to the top of A, please?

happy with it.

I don't think they could.

I feel like Emperor's Children were better, but I haven't read all of Iron Warden's books, so I can't really argue that much.

Let me convince you, Ricky, alright?

There's a passage in one of the short stories with the Honsu omnibus, where he's they're invading Kalf, and he's got a friend of his who was there since the days of the Great Crusade, but he's like, oh, I don't want to be an officer.

And they have a discussion about how cool their entrenching tools are that they use to dig trenches, and there's a bit where Honsu enjoys getting back in the mud and digging a trench, and I'm like...

I kind of like that.

It's just like, I'm an Iron Warrior.

I'm a warsmith.

Look at me.

I'm the big cheese.

But I also just enjoy what I'm built for, which is digging a hole.

And there's a bit where he gets hit by a shell and the other guy drags him out.

And he's like, you're worthless, but you're not that worthless.

And he drags him out of the mud.

I'm like, I like this.

It's well written.

I don't think you're wrong on that.

However, when I'm thinking about the Iron Warriors' best characters, I think Hanzo, Dantioch.

And my well dries up quick.

And then I think about Lucius, Fabius, Tarvitz, you know, Eidolon.

And I'm kind of like, ah, you know, pink.

I'm just saying, I'm not seeing a Lucius omnibus.

I'm not seeing an Eidolon omnibus.

He's got a book.

He's got a book.

He's got a book.

And bear in mind, bear in mind, it's enjoyable.

Wait, Hans has got three books and he's in like half the Uriel Ventress books and he has short stories.

Who is model?

Who is model?

I can't even do this.

I can't even do this.

I'll have a model and I'm there.

I was about to say, I wouldn't be angry about the model thing, but we can't judge it by that because it's a lot of things.

I know.

It doesn't matter.

One's a 93, one's a 94.

Who cares?

Maybe it's right.

Maybe put our worries below.

All right.

Just put one below.

I need to bring it here all the time.

Hal never listens to me.

I need to quickly mention something.

We have so many donors to get through.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Chad.

Also, you misspelled my name in your description, by the way.

I'm bricky, but with a K in front of a C.

Wow.

Huge.

I'm just going to point that one out there for you.

We'll fix it in post.

We're going to fix it in post.

We're going to fix it in post.

So what I'm going to do is, because we've got like 40, I'll do 10, Hal does 10, Eli does 10, Colin does 10.

Bless you all.

And if there's any specifically for Bricky to read, I'll say, Bricky, can you read this one?

All right?

I think that's the fairest way to do this.

So let's start off.

Yeah?

Never mind.

This one's going to him.

Never mind.

I'm very interested on where this is going to go.

I'm just aware that we're a bit running late and also there's so many.

Thank you all.

We don't want to keep you going too long.

So first one from Fugless El Bosso.

The Carcaridons are just the space wolves of the successor chapters.

GW to swap wolves for a shark shtick.

It's ridiculous.

Audible wink.

Kind of true.

Audible wink.

The Carcaridons get no hate.

Surely if it's an audible wink it'd be like a...

It'd be like a slimy sound.

Well, it depends on how loud the mic is.

Moving on.

DonkeymanUSA for five.

Stream late due to Hal gooning to his reflection in Bricky's doorhead.

Doorhead?

Wow.

Yeah, you open it up and you see the hamster running the wheel a little bit there.

We got one for you, Bricky.

This guy comments that every time.

Oh, boy.

uh was this a high brick united colin wore a somewhat green hat yeah he changes every week This is fantastic.

I love this.

Highbrick asked you to join the haterversary.

I taught DK the concept of toe tongues last time.

What the hell?

But it'd be boring to be horrid to the same way.

So instead, give me a weekly YouTube streamer as a hat target.

Happy birthday, Colin.

What does that mean?

It's Colin's birthday.

It's every week.

They're going to bother to wear a green hat because I'm not the first.

Oh, so I got to pick one of these folks?

I'd wear a green hat for your chat.

I want Andy to wear a green hat because I want it to mesh with his goddamn Hugh Hefner robe.

Andy would get a very stylish green hat.

He's wearing nothing underneath it.

I will say, Brickme, once we had a problem where for a few weeks our previous software would cut out and I couldn't speak, so I just would leave and then come back in a completely different outfit every few minutes.

Also, folks, we haven't done a gaming stream but it's also our third year anniversary i think this week so hey happy third year anniversary he meant hatterversary not haterversary DonkeymanUSA, Corona Fireball Zero Ultra got me transmigrating across the outer darkness.

Yes, it does.

Shalaxy's biggest droopy gripper.

I can stand how's awful takes no longer.

Bro is mad.

Hold on.

I noticed they also were calling wearing a hat in that.

Yeah, there's a lot of that.

Very important.

Well, to give you an idea, Bricky, there was like weeks where this particular viewer was like, Colin will wear a hat.

at in nine weeks he didn't even he didn't even show up and stream with a green hat it was unbelievable i don't own one that's actually screwed up colin like i would have bought a green hat for that yeah no um the weekends are for my drink not for hats dj beast member for 11 months bricky versus colin jorking it down diabetic style wow yeah type two Zeron, hello.

Hello, Glenn.

Ricky!

Ave, Dominus Nox, can we get a steel pipe clang?

Hold on.

You have that on lock.

I was ready.

I saw it.

You beat me to it.

I was like, I didn't press that.

Morafi's designated toilet for five.

Cranking my hog to doomed old man robot Yowie.

Also, happy girth day, Colin.

You were great and you came now.

I see it spreading.

Colin wore a hat somewhat.

I literally cannot read.

Same guy, same guy, yeah.

Colin wore a somewhat green hat 10 weeks ago.

First thing Colin safe on Adric was elk and depressed.

All right, look, the depression is not a thing.

I just have a very monotone voice.

Alcoholism, don't worry about it.

Damn, he's depressed.

The Dank Apostle.

Hi, guys.

Can't stay.

Just wanted to say, please limit Bricky from googling too much over the night.

And remember, be positive.

We'll get there in about five more legions.

This guy's name.

I struggle every time.

Oh, this is so easy.

This is Boragymus Rumblesnort.

Yeah, thank you.

I want to fly away on a quest that Colin...

me to the other side of the galaxy.

I know Eli find my destiny in outer space in 1993.

I had a stroke.

Yeah, probably.

Again, Colin wore a hat somewhat 10 weeks ago.

I asked Sinesh for pleasure beyond mortal comprehension, and I now experience 37 climist...

Climax?

Climax?

What?

Every time the last gun is fired, for the love of God.

I'd like to apologize to, I mean, I guess everyone here, but specifically the other three Lore Crimes co -hosts for me immediately corrupting this podcast.

Stream late to Hal showing Bricky his new Skavenusi folder.

That's actually kind of screwed up there, Yurjo.

It's called the skvussi.

Let's make sure we learn how to abbreviate properly.

We're going to have to get the encyclopedia's pronunciation guide out again.

The Gooning Encyclopedia.

New member, Chaotic Gnome.

Thank you, Chaotic Gnome.

Hey man, thanks.

Want to see more Hal, and then we'll move over to Colin.

Something, something, forehead, man, pancreas, man.

It's getting worse.

Who knows?

Do you want to read the next few?

Sure, sure.

DonkeyManUSA with the five, or thank you, about to put the great horned OmniSci in the jar if you don't stop delaying the stream.

Howdy, fellas.

You have a habit of forgetting them, so here's a friendly reminder.

The Leagues of Otan exist.

Cheers, boys.

Let the rage commence.

Hal has that habit, not me.

I couldn't tell you what this one is.

Dr.

Bricktoffin of Call of Duty Zombies fame.

Any thoughts on the new lad, Dalkian Rasak?

He's the new Night Lords novel that's come out.

He had a short story with the edgy fart on the front.

I have yet to read it yet.

The Sin Taker.

Yeah, well, yeah.

That's like calling a Necron the immortal.

His name is Paul in the drama.

I'm more aiming to read the Necron book first because I...

Necron books...

The Necron books miss less or never compared to marine books.

That's right.

Glory to the dynasties.

And he sent the Necrolords in the short story that I talked about with you like months ago.

I did a video on him, but he's a new guy.

they basically were like hey you're a new author do a short and then people like to say you can have a book now so it is the same character i think so remember what our conversation is it's the same guy from the short story okay just saying the best map by the way is origins for zombies uh everyone disagrees no colin colin you can sit in a fire hydrant and you know what to do next make it disappear man with the two euros this is the longest house ever goon yeah he does that yes I'm worn with the Fiverr stream late due to how cooning in the lost city of Nakotis, thus disrupting the normal flow of time.

Are we still in the pre -stream?

Yes!

Is this all pre -stream?

Very nice.

You guys are very generous.

Colin wore a somewhat green hat 10 weeks ago.

You guys are so late.

People started searching for me.

I'm eating a whole box of pastries to flex on Colin.

You thick -brained Neanderthals.

I can eat whatever I want.

I have type 1.

Your parents were siblings.

My buddy also has type 1?

in my house.

So there's insulin in my fridge.

I could get really jacked if I fell.

Wow.

No, he will die.

No, he won't.

Not quickly.

Not if I take it right.

He will be quickly.

Insulin is good.

No, no, no.

Or instant gains.

That's true.

You see, you see more insulin taken and dying early is less time being small.

Yeah, exactly.

Excellent.

Anyway, we will.

And we'll possibly have an event version with the 10 year old.

Okay, losers.

It's time.

Host of Lore Crimes and Brick.

All of you get your tape measures.

I know all of you have them in arm's reach.

Trying to find out who has the biggest forehead in the Brick Day community.

I did get measured for a costume I ordered and I was told by the person who did it I have the biggest head she's ever seen.

it's you know it's a family friend of like 15 years but also i didn't need to know that man it's still hard so so when you say just the tip is does it take a while to figure that one out yeah it's uh she's ever seen a whole like three feet in circumference did she slap it and it went like it's like a door stopper eli Colin wore a somewhat green hat 10 weeks ago.

Thank you for the two.

I'm not joking.

I just met a group searching for me.

This dude is getting drunker by the day.

Tybrose, the colorblind wake thing you've remembered for two months.

Tried, my lord.

Illinois will be evaporated.

It deserves it for more than just that reason, but you're right.

That drink is fine.

This is actually legend of the chat here, Eli.

Cabanda's mighty schlong of seeing this thing with two.

Is Lord Crimes allergic to those with normal heads?

Maybe.

We have a good angle.

already 23 .5 dude you have to get dk next time so him and colin can nerd out about sword art online together favorite anime don't i hate that anime it's colin's favorite anime i don't know if he likes it i'm gonna have words with him next time i don't know if he likes it i think this is just i don't know what is this chaotic new with i will get that mpreg lore crimes plus bricky art will be done no pooter crash will stop me also sorry but you're now a lore crimes boy also morning this this is great i i'm very happy to see that that the people who are the most read and and most written in in the 40k lore world can uh know how to take a joke this is lovely this is the channel is called law crimes as well like we read a lot and we if you see Most of our fan art is Colin Pregnant.

I'm ready to make shirts for all of you.

I want you all on the shirt.

You can do a King of the Hill style thing of all of you and Preg on the front.

That'd be some crazy merch.

My legacy won't be gooning.

This new book's not actually that good.

Raw, Triple Snicks, Day with the Five finally made it a live one with the full staff.

It is a good day with this and hunting the parenting live episode from Bruva Alphabusa.

I wonder how he's doing.

Shout out to Goose.

Classic.

Thank you very much for the 20.

Good to see my most favorite four Warhammer boys back at it again.

I survived fever.

I hope you all are doing well.

Also, hi, Bricky.

I was the guy who said to you that you'd make a great service.

Wow.

He was truly ominous.

I enjoy it.

He's honestly right.

thank you for the 10 i hope you're doing good friend imperial knight's lore is great because you can just make it the freak up also sir hector is goaded shekels for the insulin fund gonna miss this one cheers oh well we'll see you in the uh in the remaster i believe this is a reference to your concoction uh from kaiju blue recipe for estus flasks Hey, Bricky.

Oh, my apologies.

I didn't read the name.

Bricky's Sway is testicle.

They are correct.

Sway is worse than the other.

Hey, Bricky, when are we going to get a poster of the Lorecrime's boys all oiled and wearing loincloths?

I'm sorry, Bricky's Sway is testicle.

We've moved past that.

We have a much better idea now.

When's the Lorecrime's Patreon calendar coming out?

When we have a Patreon, I suppose.

Nomi is Chomsky for Vibe.

Put Night Lords in FTA where they belong.

Real.

Calm yourself.

We're going to fight.

Coming back up, the sacred elixir Boingob consumed before chicken rotisserie was such a good concoction, the fireball part didn't even protect the round lord's fate.

Next one from Artie again.

You'll have to introduce me to the glory of Boingob.

Basically, our patron saint is Boingob.

He is our patron saint.

He is the squig from Age of Sigmar who attempted to eat the sun and died.

being burnt to death.

Why didn't we name him Helios?

Name him what?

Helios.

Listen, he died for our sins.

Too smart.

And remember, folks, there is a server in the Discord where you can praise Boingob every day, as everyone does.

Colin wore a somewhat green hat for 10.

Last time I was on the bus, I listened to Adric when you played the Pipe SFX.

I hit a metal bar in the bus.

when it made a full break hashtag this is like uh playing sirens in radio commercials uh how do you want to do the next few gnomius chomsky shattered legions and joya finally there's more than one person glory salamanders iron hands and raven guard shout out to raven guard who we always forget to put in the episode because they don't have a lot yeah I mean, Dark Souls 3 is pretty good.

I'm a 2 defender.

No, 2's also good.

2 should be defended.

I'll take that.

What's the best dark side?

One is the best.

One is not the best.

One is obviously the best.

If we're choosing between one, two, and three, I think three is the best.

I don't know.

Get him out of here!

Get him out of here!

He's not going to know.

I was like, I just got evaporated from the call.

He's got licked my balls.

oh that's good to edit to colin's room change the screen behind me i'm moving i i dressed i dressed up as colin for halloween uh that was my halloween costume You still have the cuck chair, Colin.

Fuck off!

Yeah, that's my right.

I can move everything but the chair?

How suspicious is that?

It's time for a few for Colin.

Zimcon, thank you for the two.

Necron, Laura's S.

Praise to the Infinite Empire.

Yeah, it's true.

It is S tier.

Angry homunculus.

We're back to my room being edited, Andy.

You're going back.

Sorry, this one.

50 ,000 D?

Hello from Vietnam, I just wanted to say.

Thank you for helping me get through some tough times right now.

Love you all.

Here's to more lore crime.

Thank you very much.

Another one from Saturnine.

Thank you.

Also, Iron Lord Warriors better be getting S'd here for the hazard stripes, the Sigma Male Olympian Sea Jethos, the complete disregard for civilian life.

You can find that anywhere in 40k.

The Iron Warriors have peak incel rage.

They use their incel rage to obliterate all of us.

They do.

I read the Persrabo book.

That's most of the book is incel rage.

Oh my god.

Skarsnik's top guy, formerly known as Thanos with a 50 NOK.

Surprised guest, pancreas no work on lore crimes for truly dark times.

You miss like two episodes and you're no longer part of it.

Oh, Xenon, Bricky, what are your thoughts on Dark Souls 2?

I think Dark Souls 2 is a perfectly decent video game.

There we go.

They should tone down the life gem amount in the beginning, give you a few more Estus Flasks.

You should not have to level up to get iframes on your dodges, and the hauling mechanic is stupid.

Outside of that, it's not bad.

I can take all that.

That is valid.

Crowd of the Sunken Dick Amber King.

Yeah, it's good stuff.

Eli.

Do you want to get the last one, Eli?

Thank you for the two.

Peak Souls 2.

I think that's the only one I've ever played.

Good man.

R23.

Starring in Lore Crimes is like an amusement park.

But all the signs say you must have this much forehead to join.

They can't love you all content to kill you.

Thank you very much.

Last one.

Love you too.

So actually his biggest droopy gripper.

Thank you for the two.

We need more M preg merchandise.

Also, how is gay?

Oh, we got, we got one last one snuck in before we go back to the CLS for Nick, Nick, Ricky, you're coping.

Well, considering how brain dead we are, you.

Have you seen my stuff?

I mean, come on, man.

You should know what you're getting into as well.

We better go fast.

Okay, calm down.

Okay, calm down.

Space wolves?

Okay, okay.

Not that fast.

All right, calm down.

Let me know, Ricky.

Andy is a tyrant.

Andy is a tyrant with the tier list.

No, I'm not.

No, I'm not.

I'm a truth teller, and I'm not a tyrant.

How dare you?

The truth is what the state makes it, and you are the state.

I'll recommend this.

I'm going to be honest.

I love the White Scars.

They're my favorite thing ever.

I absolutely love them.

They do not have good lore in terms of representation with books.

I did my video on the Battle of Chagoras from their bespoke codex, and everyone was like, they had a battle for Chagoras?

I'm like, yes yes they did but like i even saw a thing recently where like a reddit thing was like ranking all the space marine chapters and of the originals wise scars was at the bottom and that's just because they don't really make good like bespoke novels they're always side characters like in apocalypse they're stuck in phil kelly tau books you're right when it comes to the 40k if it's the 40k stuff though it's different heresy heresy The Goats.

Heresy.

Best books in the series.

White Scars books.

Chris Raitt, my beloved, made them...

What?

I haven't read Scars in a long time.

Scars is like one of the best books in the heresy.

It's amazing.

I haven't read it in years.

Half of Heaven, Scars, all the seizure terror stuff they're in.

Everything the White Scars are in in Horus Heresy is phenomenal.

And Chris Raitt did a fantastic job of bringing them out of the abyss.

But it's like...

I love that meme.

It's the wrong nationality for the white scars.

I was thinking of dogs also.

I mean, I can imagine, not to cut you off, I mean, I kind of feel the same way.

I love everything about what the white scars are, and I have read precious few things that make them look very exciting.

Well, I think this is the part where, again, because obviously With a 60 -whatever book series, obviously, it's hard to get to everything.

But Andy is correct in which, especially with the White Scar characters throughout the Horus Heritage series, because it's one of those ones where each time there's a book on the White Scar series, also their legion, it follows the same characters.

So by the time there's no, like, oh, there's random new guys being added in, who I have no idea.

We follow these...

Well, some.

That's later.

That's later.

But then there's quite a few of them who you follow them.

Generally, there's this kind of tight -knit group who defy what people's expectations of them are.

And then slowly, one by one, Jagatai Khan, who is an amazingly witty and funny character, he slowly loses all of his best friends he was growing up with.

Each one of them slowly dies, sacrificing themselves for the cause of a basic cause they could have gone either way.

Generally some of the better fight scenes as well.

They have crazy fight scenes in Horus Heresy stuff.

And then Jagatai Khan has good wine lines telling Mortar and he stinks.

Everything with the Khan is awesome.

Everything with Jagatai is always awesome.

There's no more Jagatai in 40k.

Shut your face, Colin!

All I will say is let's not forget that Shaban Khan saves an actual baby.

outside the walls of the seat of terror and brings it back i'm like the goats coming back again with another classic generally like the most human moments of like they actually look after so like the most interaction between normal civilians and space marines are in white scar books yeah white guys are probably nicer than salamanders actually They adopt a thousand suns so that he can be less cringe than his brothers.

Like, yeah, the goats.

Best of all time.

These are all pretty fine ideas.

It's let down by the 40k stuff.

I think you're all right.

I think they're still in B though.

They're in a lot of really mid Space Marine books in 40k.

Because most 40k Space Marine books are just so mid.

They are pretty cool in a world traitor book of all places.

They just kind of lock in and deal with the problem.

Even the terrible Fist of the Imperium book about the Imperial Fist has a white scar Death Watch guy, and he's like the best thing in the book.

Andy, you really read everything, bro.

Anyway, honestly, Space Wolves, bear with me.

I'm actually going as far as I would put them almost an S.

I'll be honest.

This is huge.

Get down.

Get down there, Colin.

Get on your knees.

Fucking wolves.

You know, I think once you move past the memes that I myself have perpetrated or whatever, where everything is wolf, wolf, wolf, and you actually look into Bjorn and the folks and the months of shame and stuff, I think they rock, man.

Right, right, right.

Let me make my case for a second.

You've got six Ragnar Blackmane books.

You've got the Lucas the Trickster book, which is fantastic because it adds some comic relief to the setting, but also making him a badass.

You've got great codexes.

You've got the Mumps of Shame.

You've got not just the new Fourth War for Armageddon, but also the Third War for Armageddon and the First War for Armageddon.

They cook!

They actually cook.

And even when they're in the Horus Heresy, I always was intrigued by like, even like Prospero Burns and stuff like that, learning about there are no wolves on Fenris.

And then there's like guys like Bodvar Bjarki and the guy, I can't remember the name off the top of my head, who makes it for the lion.

He picked, there's a space wolf who picked a fight with the lion and Conrad occurs in the same book and lived.

Slightly.

Burning of Prospero and Thousand Suns were like two of the first Horus Heresy books I read as a kid, so they have very fond memories.

And also Logan Grimnar has plot armor thicker than Cato Sicarius and Caldor Drago combined.

He's literally the GOAT.

You will never beat Logan Grimnar.

He's like sick as hell though, so it's totally okay.

Yeah, he's literally the GOAT.

Can I ask something?

Sorry, I want to hear Colin.

I want to hear Cone.

He's being drowned by Wolf and Hare.

I'd just like to start that if we're going off books, then Caiaphas Kane better be his own goddamn faction on this list, Andy.

Oh, he's got so many books.

That means he's good.

Yeah, that's it.

He's just got more lore.

It doesn't matter if it's good.

He's going to get cut.

He's going to choose files.

Mad because bad.

Mad because bad.

The mouth of every GW author is firmly wrapped around Space Wolf meat just going around.

That's right.

We can break the codex.

We get a bajillion Marines in our own fleet and we beat up...

That's right.

Colin, Colin, Colin.

Are you happy now?

Are you happy?

Are you happy?

I mean, I'm a guard simp also, so I'm kind of happy with that.

Are you happy?

Can I interject one thing for the boys, which is, Bricky, if you ever get the chance, there's a really good Space Wars character, obviously Ragnar Blackman, I'm sure you've heard of, but in his novel, which is written probably 20 years ago, it explains that the Wolfen...

It's not because they look like wolves.

It's named after...

It's a wolfing curse because it's named after a guy called Wolfen.

And I just can't get out of it.

No, they did the fucking land raider thing again.

He picked a fight with Lehman Russ and was told off and now you drink from the cup of Wolfen named after Wolfen who led the 13th company.

That's where it comes from.

But also, it's a book series.

genuine question was it like written well when that happened because i actually because the arc and land bit in master mankind is actually played for laughs like it's it's meant to be kind of humorous you know to give you an idea that just remember that the ragnar black main books are read are written by the same guy who did the gotrek and felix books it's willing i did not know that i have not read the gotrek and felix it's peak that's why that's why they're there canonically the only chapter slash legion who has a fat space marine is the space wolves and he's called hager and he throws a hunt a thunder hammer like it's a tomahawk yeah and it's amazing thor because yeah yeah and there's and there's also a dandy i don't need a book for that and there's also a dandy space marine who drinks wine and wears perfume and all the other space was like you're cringe and so he doesn't live in fenris he lives on terra They're great.

Space Wolf content is always good.

No, no, no.

This is a spur of the moment, but honestly, if you want to go lore, they crunk in Horus Heresy.

They crunk in the Ragnar Blackmane book.

And anytime they show up, they are so good.

Have they ever lost a major conflict on screen?

Never.

And that's why they're fun.

That's right.

That's why they go...

And also...

No, no, no.

Okay, when we get to the Eighth Legion, we'll talk about why losing conflicts is good for character development.

And let's not forget that Logan Grimnair was also in the Malkarian heresy as a young wolf, so you get to see his progression from, like, an itty -bitty wolf to a big wolf.

And that's cool as well.

For the sake of time, we'll leave it at that.

For the sake of time, I think I'm happy with Space Wolves.

Yeah, I agree.

I agree with you, Andy.

This is really hard for me, because, again...

It is because I generally thought nothing of the Imperial Fist.

And then I'm just hit with some of the, like they generally have some of the coolest scenes in the heresy.

But again, the 40K is such a heavy letdown.

It's really tough.

I feel like every single time there's an Imperial Fist in any book I've read, there's some side character that is uninteresting.

Or when I have read Dorne books, I'm like, when Dorne is speaking, He's cool.

Cause he's just like dense as shit, but, but like fun and, and does have character a bit, but then all of his sons, I just don't enjoy.

I haven't read.

I haven't read the life.

I haven't read the Lysander books yet, but I've read pretty much everything else.

The only books he's not read.

Oh, I've read a Lysander book, actually.

The one where he makes a deal with a demon or something.

Pandarax?

Well, Pandarax is the Grey Knights and the Dark Knight.

That's the Grey Knight one, yeah.

It sounds similar.

But it's the same Space Marine Conquest series.

But I haven't read it yet.

But like, 30k?

There are some cool characters like Archimus II, Archimus III.

There's Alexus Pollux, let's not forget.

Do Soul Drinkers and Crimson Fists, Lord, does that count for Imperial Fists?

You have to count Black Templars and I don't think that's fair.

Black Templars are separate.

We have a separate thing for them.

Are we doing successor chapters too?

No, no, no.

Hold on.

We're only doing the Black Templars because they've usurped the Imperial Fists as their main chapter.

I'm going to cry.

Let's put them in C because War of the Beasts is cool.

Okay, alright.

Alright.

Let's talk about night Lawrence.

All right.

Here's what I'm thinking, okay?

Here's what I'm thinking.

Night Lords, when Aaron Demski Bowden writes them, three of the best books ever.

Very, very good.

Talos, great character.

Fantastic stuff.

Incredible.

Everything else about Night Lords, generally generic and villain of the week, dude who loves to skin kids.

I would put them an A because the books are so goddamn good.

And I think that they're, I think Kurz is like genuinely interesting.

He's cool.

I think he's pretty neat.

However, I can be let down if need be.

I think I'm kind of Talos coping and I'm okay with that because those books are like the best things I've ever read.

B tier?

Can we settle for B tier?

I was going to say, can we put it top of B because it's like, if we're going to be like putting everything on Talos and maybe Jago, Savitarian.

Savitarian is pretty up there as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But like Honsu has, I think more and better stuff.

to some degrees than talos i really like honsu and also there's some cool iron warriors characters along the way that also do some of the slack picking up slack for every night way more i cannot fathom that the night lord have you read the honsu stuff no but i generally even let's just even open it community -wide it's the night lord omnibus is considered the best opener for someone to get into 40k there's just no comparison that isn't like if it's something i mean but that's not their only that's not their only more than yeah i'm gonna say it's a great book but i feel like you need a decent like knowledge of warhammer to understand the night lord books a bit you need probably decent and they have like it's no like eisenhorn which is a very easy starter you know or kane which you don't need or kane I just can't get through how good it is, though.

Well, they have, like, we're going to be over three hours.

We're going to be over three hours.

Please, Low A, please, for my son.

I want Low A.

I'm not trying to argue for S, but I do think Kurz, Nostromo, their general concept, his vindictive, weird personality, the books, I think it's worth it.

Death of characters is strong in these ones as well.

These blood angels.

I really like their omnibus, but I think most of it is now not canon, which is a shame.

Including the Blood Angels Civil War, which is awesome.

And James Swallow is possibly my second favorite writer of all time.

He never misses.

He did Flight of the Eisenstein.

He did the Blood Angels omnibus.

He did the Buried Dagger.

He's done Death Guards.

He's done Knights Errant.

He's done Blood Angels.

We're not putting James Swallow on the list.

Mike Brooks to the top, baby!

His omnibus is good.

Mephiston's books are pretty good.

uh dante's pretty good they've got to be an a surely and above nightlords and sure they got driven it's so hard to look at blood angels and not think man those guys are so freaking cool even if you barely know anything about them they just they just have that effect i don't know i haven't read a single blood angel scores heresy book and i've heard that they're kind of made that's overrated so i feel like what's the deal about blood angels they have cool 40k characters though which is what a lot of these other legions lack How much is Devastation of Baal carrying them like the Nightlord Omnibus carries Nightlords?

It depends.

I mean, Sanguinius is like an S -tier Primarch, though.

He's pretty up there.

Blood Angels have a lot of canon characters walking around in the Codex.

Colin is turning purple.

Colin, what's wrong?

Colin, why?

I think Sanguinius is overrated.

I think it's pretty great.

I think he's very cool, but everyone talks about him like he's Jesus Christ reborn.

Yeah, yes, because he died.

I understand the symbolism of it.

I'm going to honk out a brown snake at your new house for that.

Go on, you're visiting me then.

I'm going to say, I will say that I think the blood angels have the inverse problem of the white scars.

Their 30k characters are kind of mid.

And then their 40k characters are really good.

Like, Rauderon.

Does anyone really know anything about Rauderon?

He's a first captain.

He should have some lore.

Does he?

No.

He kicks a Nightlord off a wall in Siege of Terror.

He's kind of there from...

But then you've got Meros, the Apothecary, where he submits himself to the Ragefire and becomes a demon in Fusion to save his Primarch from sacrificing himself.

That was cool.

The omnibus is cool.

Dawn Space Marine over here.

The Mephiston books are cool.

Blood Angels have some really good stuff.

The Blood Angels Civil War alone is freaking awesome because it's an interchapter war, and I think that's cool.

And there's some word bearers, and it's good.

Sorry.

You need to find me a Captain Tycho book.

I've been told he's not in any books, but I want to make a video on Captain Tycho.

I know, but he's got no lore.

He's just cool.

He has a short story.

But he's got no lore other than that, and it's a shame.

And he's dead now, so we can't do anything.

We put it in S because generally they have, even from what is codex or general lore, pretty amazing.

The in -depth lore through their characters and novels is, again, one of the best offerings in 40k.

It must be on there.

I would be fine with High A if we were...

I did think, out of all the other Space Marine chapters, I was going to put Blood Angels in High A or S.

Yeah, I think High A is better because they have Bad Wars heresy books.

Has any other chapter got a plotline about a supposed reincarnation of the Primarch, but it's actually seen fucking around?

No, because they all still have their Primarchs.

What's with the iron hands?

Curse might have his soul in his hands.

I hate elves.

I love elves!

Please read the Blood Angels.

Omniverse is really good.

I'm fine with putting Blood Angels in top of A if we're going to try to split hairs.

Also, I think Colin wants him in B, so we should take Colin's opinion in this a little bit.

Never said before.

Never said before on Warcraft.

He was the first one on Adric, you know, I think.

So, you know, we gotta give a lot.

Where would you put a nothing burger on this list, Andy?

This pays me so much, because this is my favorite chapter.

Is it your favorite chapter, Hal?

Because if you ever...

No one's going to ever read this book.

Some of the Ironhands books are the most depressing 40k books ever.

I like that.

It's so...

I understand the whole thing of let me get a rope, if you know what I mean.

That's how bad it is.

But the Ironhands do have their general lore part.

The Shattered Legions and Horus Heresy stuff is pretty...

Even though I know it's a subplot.

They do all right with it.

And I do enjoy that some of the characters, they all end up dying.

Spoilers.

I've said that before.

The 40k stuff, I love the fact that Legion is like, it's not just generic space.

They have a unique thing.

They worship the Mechanicus.

They get different clan.

They change clans and get different upgrades into their biometrics.

They battle with this random self -hatred and a weird Zetian plot where they have...

the coolest it's just the only thing that's close to my heart which is the coolest unit which is not on the tabletop yet which is the iron fathers which in the one the iron one of those books it just describes the um some humans like the iron fathers are basically the ones who guard their like massive council and they um they're tech primary and chaplain hybrids But they've done something called they've turned the keys of hell, which is they've turned themselves into essentially human automatons.

And when normal people see them, they literally shiver with fear because you're seeing a thing that only knows how to kill.

And it's a human completely devoid of any humanity.

They're not really human.

The joke is there's not really any human parts left in them.

They're kind of like...

walking robots and yeah terrifying can we put them in eight can we put them in here i'm gonna say i definitely don't know at all wait wait wait wait wait bricky like i gotta be honest yeah shad shadrach meduson's death in horus heresy was the biggest gut punch i ever felt in a horus in in a warhammer book ever he's a lazy character yeah no one's gonna feel that way but they're they're 40k stuff like the the um What's the war leader?

Because they don't have a chapter master, they have a war leader.

Shadrach Meduson.

No, like I said, Cardan Stronos.

His book's really good.

He's got two and a half.

Absolutely fascinating books, including a bit where he goes to Medusa and he talks to a weird primordial being that's kind of multi -headed and maybe it's a Mechanicus abomination that lives there.

It's really weird.

And they're fascinating.

There's a book, Iron Hands, about the Iron Hands, and it's about an Iron Hand.

Okay, now you've argued for big.

You've mentioned it.

It's good.

So, you know, what we discussed earlier, we talked about how the concepts of the Legion outweighs the strengths of certain bits of writing and stuff.

I mean, I fully believe that Ferris Man is a bit of an unwritten, as a lowly written character.

Yeah, yeah.

But I kind of think...

much similarly to dark angels and white scars that they the idea of the iron hands matters more than what has been put on on page and so i was fine with putting them b i would say if you read the breadth of stuff they have you'd put them in a really even with the 40k stuff because we do judge 30k and 40k as separate the 40k stuff is really good it's not really good no one's read it it's good but it is really good The Cardan Stronos books are fantastic.

The Anatolos Godalkin book called Iron Hands about an iron hands.

It's like a problem with marketing.

That book has a plot line about they maybe found the burial place of Ferus Manus.

And I read that and I did like a, oh, and it's like them pit against the word bears.

And it's really interesting.

And I love what they do.

Like iron hands are such good law.

No one's read it.

That's the only problem.

I'll put my hands up and be like, I'm not versed in this realm, so you can put it in A if you'd like.

I'm surprised, but I also think Andy's a dictator, so...

It's true.

World eaters.

I like world eaters a lot.

I do.

I do too.

Are we going all the way to S?

I'm asking you.

I'm kind of indifferent to what he does.

Angron's a great character, in general.

I like Angron a lot.

Not anymore, though.

That's the issue.

I don't know if we can have any Traitor Legion with a main character.

The character arc is finished.

The character arc is finished.

Yeah, yeah.

He's now a frothing monster.

That's the concept, right?

A lot of Traitor Legions have the one -dimensional problem.

It's like...

Thousand Suns, you've just got Ahriman.

World Eaters, you've just got Khan.

Death Guard, you've got Typhus.

All the Emperor's Children, you've got Lucius.

It's hard for the Corrupted Legions to be over A tier because all their 40k stuff is like the same thing most of the time.

I wouldn't have an A, but I wouldn't.

I don't know if S is fair.

I do think they're A deserving.

I think they're A tier too.

I do love all of them.

There is a pop book, but it's sharing with the word bearers there as well.

Oh, we'll get to the word bearers when we get there.

I honestly don't think that we can give them a tier if the 40k isn't...

pulling up the 30k.

Look at my tag here.

Colin deserves to be taken seriously.

There's the tag here.

And I think Colin is right.

World Eaters, their character arc is finished in 40k.

It is the summation of it all.

And so because of that, I don't think the 40k being particularly exciting matters.

It is finalized.

I did like Firefist in the Black Legion book, Firefist, where he's just like a guy who was a world eater, and that's cool, but it's like they're always relegated to secondary characters now, which is a trouble.

The world leader apothecary in the Dabby's File book's cool too.

I don't remember his name, though.

So much so that the big, corny leader of the Siege of Rax wasn't even a world eater.

He was a renegade storm lord.

Whatever, man.

I'm just saying.

How much care?

I think they're always fun to read about.

Their arguments are a lot easier to pull polls into than I think their fans.

There's four people.

Four people for right.

Ultramarines, the greatest heroes of them all.

Calm down.

They're the greatest of us all.

There's just so much slop.

Matt Warren was right.

There's so much slop.

There is, but I love me Titus.

Mr.

Dump Truck himself.

I do like the Cato Sicarius books sometimes.

I like the Uriel Ventress stuff a lot because it's got Honsu in it and it's fun.

They're dynamic.

Ultramarines are better because of the Iron Warriors.

Got it.

Ultramarine fans sleep in race car beds.

Their 30k stuff is hot water.

30k, there's no point.

They're not in 30k at all.

They're just in rubbish books.

Well, the cap is their one thing.

And they get crushed.

It completely deserves action.

And I only feel it's cool.

If we're going off the one thing of the horse heresy, put the iron hands down in F tier now, please.

No, no, there are several books.

They do a lot of stuff.

Ultramen don't deserve F tier.

Please.

Bad horse heresy.

Literally, the only reason they have good 40k books is because they have the most 40k books.

And there's so much garbage.

There's so much garbage.

Endless skill issues.

I feel like I'm in the middle of a divorce hearing.

I guess we need to just be like, Ultramarines are obviously the poster boys, so they're kind of a divisive thing in itself.

middle of the pack.

It's top of B.

B's not bad.

It's the average.

I am with Eli where the problem is not that they don't have good.

The problem is that the bad is dragging the good down.

There's a percentile issue here of how much good to how much mediocre.

Where would you put them?

Top of B is fine.

They're ultramarines.

They should be nice and clean in top of B, the perfect middle ground.

Andy?

Sorry, Colin.

You're already going to say what I was going to say.

I was going to say, should we go through some donuts?

Yeah, that is what I was going to say.

I read your mind, bro.

Okay, we've got some audio.

Audio free, free, free.

For keeping us hostage for so long.

It's the name of the game.

Cool, man.

So I'll start with three.

Incoming backup.

Genuine video.

Leaving aside all the furry profit of Boingob stuff, you five YouTubers are the reason I got into Warhammer lore and found such a great community.

Praise the round lord and his five ten head messengers.

Thank you.

Andy, I can power through some of these.

okay i'll do i thought we'd do like for each but i'll do these ones because i know i know glenn uh xenon for five how can you reload your arms whilst owning that tash is that saying it's the henry cavill touch yeah it's the mission impossible things impossible can it get more curly now can you grow it to be more early i could probably do a full curl like that and get it that'd be awesome I spend 30 bucks on the stream.

Pay me attention, God.

Thank you, Colin Waters, someone green hat for that.

We've paid you attention.

Thank you very much.

Ross666 with a fiver.

Thank you.

Salamanders are my S rank.

I'm sorry.

Not because they are nice guys, but the fact they are popular despite GW attempts of killing off the faction.

They're popular because they're nice guys.

I hate to break it to you.

RD23 with the five pounds.

Question for Colin.

Good Yanari lore, but you only play against K -Suns and Magic the Gathering for the rest of your life.

If I had to do that, I'm hanging myself.

I'm sorry, Yanari.

Don't.

No more turn one Sol Ring, turn three Magnus the Red.

Kyle, would you read these next two from Gnomeus?

Because I know you love his name so much.

Gnomeus Chomsky for five euros.

Conrad and his legion should have been purged with a second and eleventh legion.

Yeah, that's right.

That's bad.

Probably, honestly, yeah.

Gnomeus Chomsky, Iron Hands of Circe, the most underrated legion.

Their stories in 30k with Salamanders and Raven Guard, one of the best touching stories.

It is true.

Depressing but touching.

Ferris Manus lives.

Primarch of the Legion of the Damned.

I mean, If that's a leak thing for that, kill me.

No, it's not a leak for that.

It's just, it's copium.

Yeah, totally.

My only friend, The End, I think this is Mike judging off the Dallas for the lady PFP.

Hanzo, the effing goat, also the new Nightmares book, The Remnant Blade is pretty fun.

Night Lords, I assume you meant.

Thank you.

Someone on here will read it eventually.

Mr.

I literally have trouble reading, sorry.

Ironhands have fantastic but depressing lore, in my opinion.

Shadrach and Meduson was an OG.

Also, Cardan Stronos has one that...

Did we get a salute there?

Has one of the greatest rises to power from any chapter.

And Eli will appreciate that he's a huge fan of Tau weaponry.

Yeah, baby.

Oh, Colin, this is written all over.

Baratheon's designated toilet with a 5CA.

I can't wait for tiered to be an S tier.

They won't be.

I'll be walking into oncoming traffic.

We have one for Bricky.

Bricky, did you read Lord of Nights?

This is returning.

Uh, no, I have not yet.

I hear it's very, very good.

I know they talk about it in the Omnibus.

I remember they're like, eh, Sahal's Terran born.

I don't like that guy and stuff.

We got one more maybe we can do.

You're good.

uh i guess i'll just read this i'll just read this one i guess okay 277 you guys have helped me through the years inspired me to start my own channel studios just got to make the videos now also berkey i blame you and aderick my night lord starring arrival my eight points five k jesus christ mr john 40k oh yeah i don't even have that many points let's have like four thousand or i don't have I've sold some recently.

I had 10 ,000 points of chaos.

I think I have only about 6 ,000 nowadays.

Death Guard.

So how much does Lords of Silence carry this exactly?

A lot.

40k lore.

That's all they have, more or less.

30k lore.

It's James Swallow and Chris Raitt.

Isn't Chris Raitt good?

Yeah.

And James Swallow is also good.

They are great in the Horde.

He's down by Mortarion.

Gusty's down by the Convoys.

James Swallow coming up with Nathaniel Garrow and Grilgore and Typhus and blah blah blah.

All the boys and then Chris being like I'm going to put people like Kypher Morag and I'm going to develop Mortarion.

Chris and James blew it out of the park for 30k and seeing the two of them together I'm like Do we like Mortarion though?

He's always been kind of a wet blanket for me.

This is the downside which is like the death guard like horus heresy and 40k things they are good when they show up but it's always under this massive blanket of essentially there's a glaring problem with the legion is people can't get past the hypocrisy thing in general in motarian story or part of the legional in that sense and i get it which yeah i i would i would defend what i was slightly being like so someone's being a hypocrite finally someone 40k knows they're a hypocrite but um it is unfortunately it yeah like it does have a glaring issue and i think again motarin being even though you can be a bad guy but he's unlikable that's like yeah i don't find him interesting is the problem you know good past that i mean like i found him interesting in um i don't know if you've gotten to it yet but um the dark imperium trilogy like plague wars yeah he's side character in that but i like him in that because he's almost like he's he's the he was always meant to be they'll they'll always be in 40k resigned to the the mustache twirling villains thing but oh they do it well Like, I can't find a fault with the Death Guard because in 30k, they have the humanity side.

They have so many characters, whether it's Kypher Morag or it's Typhus or Garrow or Solendaceous.

They all go through that.

Am I going to be chaos?

Am I not?

And they do it so well.

And then 40k, they have to all be evil goobers.

And when they're evil goobers, they do it well.

Like that scene in Godblight was like, I'm going to fold this man into a billion folds.

And he won't die.

Oh, you're gross.

I'll make one argument, which will settle it, which is it needs to go probably just under Ultramarines.

There's one part of the lore which makes me giggle because it's funny.

There's a thing called, you haven't got to yet.

It's the tattle slug.

if you know what I'm talking about, Eli.

It's this little Nurgle demon thing that basically is like a little worm growth thing and acts as a little spy.

That's great.

And they have a little song.

It's like, Dattleslug, Dattleslug.

And I love the audiobook.

He's like some...

mafia boss being like, yeah, where do you need me to go, mate?

And this is the thing.

And then the demons of the comic relief.

Honestly, I would put Death Guard in S tier.

Because they do everything well.

S tier?

They are usually pretty fun when they show up.

They always knock it out of the park.

If you want them to be a villain, they're great.

They're great.

They're always great.

i don't even like death guard but i'm like i they're great are we gonna put them on the same level though as like all of the back -to -back guard book hits you know what top of a as a compromise of like it does have some of the best 40k moments kind of in general but there is an overarching problem with it which is we It's not everyone's favorite.

There's a reason it's not everyone's favorite.

I think they're easy, eh?

I just...

Yeah, I guess.

I don't know.

I never really liked Death Guard, but I think maybe it's just more of like a...

They just never really grabbed me.

I think they have the chaos problem of like it's Typhus and Garrow, but like not much more.

I'd never have a Death Guard army and I don't really like them as I like the Death Guard.

But every time they show up, if you're fighting them, they're fun.

If they're going through complex emotional turmoil in the 30k setting, they're great.

If they're mustache -twirling villains with little nurglings being like, I'm the Colette Relief.

They're fantastic.

They're always fun in a weird, morbid way.

For the next few...

I'm sure we can almost speed run up to the Legion ones because a lot of these are going to be bad.

I have no horse in the Thousand Suns race.

I just don't care.

I freaking hate Thousand Suns, man.

They suck.

Very briefly, it suffers from the problem of the lore itself is trying to be too high brain.

It's trying to be too much.

They do suffer from really good books and then really mid books.

I've spoken to Horace Heresy, 40k Ahriman books.

There's a few good ones.

I'm going to smash my head against a wall because there's five Ahriman books and the fifth one basically reverts back in time to the end of the second book.

So the fourth and the fifth book, nothing happened.

I'm going to lose it.

I've been told about that.

I've had a lot of people crash out about that.

Again, briefly, The complexity of the Legion, like, it gets across, like, they have different, like, magic cults and there's some cool stuff, but unfortunately, overall, Magnus...

Oh, it's F.

Sorry, I just noticed that.

Magnus is on site.

Magnus could...

Magnus does suck.

Magnus is so awful.

He kills one of his own sons when he's like, oh, by the way, the Space Wolves are coming.

He's an unjustifiable character in every aspect.

He literally does the...

I'm sorry, Mike.

He does the Dr.

Manhattan thing where he's like, hey, bro.

I'm a captain in your legion.

They're space wars.

We should like maybe warn the civilians.

He goes, lick my balls.

What's that about, eh?

He is kind of written like a moron's idea of a smart person.

Yeah.

Many such cases.

Many such cases.

The Emperor has a similar problem, if I'm not mistaken.

We could go on for a while on that one, but I would say for the sake of brevity, can we please put Salamander's Raven Garden Alpha Legion in C as a grouping?

Salamander's who?

Raven Garden Alpha Legion.

they have legion have one s tier book and then everything else is just like poop which is the s tier book i'm very curious legion legion is a great place because they're not even the main characters in it that's why it's so good i read the alfarius book and i was like this is fine actually that was cool too but it's not as it's like again right can i um off offer something i i know that uh fans of those three legions are gonna be very upset that we just i love the alpha through they're all my favorites no they're fun but they are i've read almost all their books so this is like an honest opinion most of their books are bad because the authors are not smart enough to write a good alpha legion book it's just how salamin salamanders have a nick time problem which is a shame because he does the four he does the 30k and 40k something like oh oh baby i i stopped reading every salamander book i'm trying to know i couldn't get through i couldn't get this one sorry it has a great enough though His Marines malevolent stuff is actually okay.

What did he mean by that, for what you will?

What did he mean by this?

Where are those next few chapters?

We've got Wordbearers, Black Legion slash Sons of Horus, and then Black Templars, because I had to add them.

I've read Shroud of Night, and it's okay.

If I may.

If I may.

Wordbearers, straight to the top.

Yes, please.

Straight to the top.

Yeah, you know it.

Lorgar is such...

This was right.

Lorgar is an absolute hysterical character.

He's such a villain.

I love him.

First Heretic is the Chaos Marine Bible book.

I have not read the Omnibus, but I've been told that the Wordbearer Omnibus is fantastic.

All I ever wanted was the truth.

You know, you got Erebus, who I actually like a lot because he's just such a dick.

I'm gonna...

I would stick it all the way.

This is huge news.

Ricky's the goat.

Ricky's the goat.

This is good news.

I hate to say it, but Black Legion, it's one of those things where overall, like again, Andy's about to pounce on me, but it has two good books.

and then the over like it's massively let down by like the but the horse here is he's literally logan's giant nuts hold up the sons of horus by an extensive degree in my opinion yeah they're even there and let's not forget uh my boy tarik torgaden who i Who I think is me in Warhammer.

Have you ever heard about Warhammer?

Yeah, that's a little...

Is that the case, Andy?

Yeah, that's me.

I'm Keanu Reeves, you know, of Warhammer 2.

Oh, cool.

Does Warhammer have Master Beast?

Actually, I'm...

Joe Grammaticus!

What about C?

Shout out to the gas station two weeks ago, the guy who shouted, Mr.

Beast!

Mr.

Beast!

Although, I got to put them in B.

Yeah, but I was just for the American audience.

Their Black Legion books are good.

They're reliable villain of the week.

They have some good stuff.

Yeah.

Sons of Horus is good.

Like, they're good.

Templars are A, unless you're considering the fact that you will find the most racist people alive in their fanbase, in which case they might even drop a little bit.

Yeah, the Black Templar players and the Black Templar lore have quite the divide.

Not all Black Templar fans, but always the Black Templar fans.

They're very reliable of the Terran crusade.

so they got hell's reach but there's like the whole thing of like the terran crusade one of them just charges uh cabanda i think it is when the corn ate great demons and then he dies but then guillemin's like thanks mate for wounding him i guess like they're always going for it they're always i haven't finished uh broken crusade i've just started it Sorry, Black Templar bros.

Yet another Necron W.

Oh, Eli, when we go, when Necrons arrive, we're just going to start completely jerking each other off at Mach speed.

Are you respawning?

I just killed you.

That's not what happened!

That's not what happened!

I've got you down 17 times!

Stop respawning!

I'm overstimulated by this podcast.

But I would say they're not as good as Death Guard.

I wouldn't say they're as good as Emperor's Children either.

If we're putting them in A, I would put them pretty low in A, personally.

Put them by world leaders.

They're pretty similar vibes.

There's something to be said about the Siege of Terror Sigismund plotline transformation.

You see a character stop.

He loses his sense of being an imperial fist and he turns into what becomes the essence of The entire chapter essentially is the utter hollowness of losing your humanity and just becoming a weapon is one of the coolest and slash the fight scenes, which have Sigismund always pretty special.

But I mean, it's really hard because it's like, and it's really.

there's something about its general sense.

They have the uniqueness about them.

They hate the witch.

The witch, the psycho, they have a uniqueness to them that many others below them don't have.

More than any other faction of the Imperium, they are a touchstone to reclaiming their humanity, which is kind of odd.

Whether it's Sigismund, whether it's Hell's Reach, there's moments where they're like, Grimaldus, humans, they are a mystery to me.

But also he's the one who's like, you changed me.

I came to this annoying world, which I called like a graveyard and I hate it.

And I hate how many people died.

But like, I became a better person by things like, hang on you.

you're not supposed to be a good person you're a templar you're a nasty boy isn't that the point of hell's reach where they're like being less like black templars yeah they're kind of like salamanders are cringe they're saving civilians but it's also like oh well we're not going to go that far but we'll kind of be nicer to them i guess by the way could we uh could we just skip the middleman and put leagues of votan i'm seeing it later on the list it's into f tier yeah We're jumping ahead.

Let me explain this one for you.

First of all, amazing how the man who thinks the Iron Hands are great is going to criticize someone of having no lore.

That's a huge take.

Let me look at this.

I know very much there's different ways to look at 40k.

You can look at it like Rule of Cool, Dawn of War.

You can get really into the characters.

Both are valid.

I'm not going to look at the space dwarfs who eat planets for capitalism and they're gods of machinery and go, yeah, that's not cool.

You know what I want more of?

I want more daddy issues.

That's what will fix this faction.

But that's why we're here.

I have two fathers and I love them both.

I'm sorry.

I can't relate.

It's not much, Al, but all I'm going to say is right now, Hal, you having a go at the Votan is like beating up a toddler because they've just gotten started.

Think about that.

Listen, the Votan Codex came out.

I opened that shit up.

I learned about the ancestor core and the constant problems of re -uploading their consciousness to them.

I see hardcore capitalistic contracts and stuff.

I see their general vibe.

And I think to myself, damn, B tier.

There's not enough to make them A or S.

I think they're super sick, but I don't think they're going to go any higher than that.

I like Lego Power Miners.

Unholster the means of negotiation is the hardest line in all of Fortnite.

It's pretty good, yeah.

Also, I love the robots.

I think it's a sick concept.

I love the general...

Have any of us read their book?

I've got it.

I haven't read it.

It is a B.

It is the book you would expect a new faction to get where it is almost entirely lore related and the characters are completely whatever and it teaches you a lot about the lore of the character.

But it is not there is not a lot much past that.

That's why it's B.

I'm going to say something very divisive but I think it's warranted.

In terms of who they'd be in real life, parallels to where we are right now, if we're honest, Votan, the AI fans, these are the guys who'd be like...

I'm making AI YouTube content.

Yeah, well, if we're going off of that, then almost every faction we've talked about is the Third Reich.

I saw the dog, and the dog was happy.

So I pet the dog, and the dog was happy.

And then the dog was going to pony.

I gotta be honest, man, this isn't even a non -sequitur.

You're like playing a different game.

You know, there's a Battletech room tierless across the way if you want to talk more about AI.

I'm just messing.

Can I be there?

I hate it here.

Votan belongs in top of C because it's not on the same level as the rest of everything in B.

It's just not.

I do have an issue putting it next to Black Legion.

That does feel a little tough.

Fair enough.

That was a good reason, Hal.

I think so.

I think that's a fine compromise, but putting them down with, like, fucking one I and F, I don't think it's okay.

Yeah, but, like, I think the main thing about both of them is, like, let them cook.

They've got one book.

Yeah.

They'll get there.

They'll get there, maybe.

If it gets better, I'll give it a chance.

Is it Grey Knights?

Grey Knights.

Turn the match to three.

This is...

I don't know.

I think they're fine in B.

I'm going to say...

I think...

revealing the terminus decree could only lead to failure.

I think what they gave is about the best they could do with it.

I don't think that.

I don't think it's good.

I do honestly think that's the best they can do with it.

You are correct in your initial statement of revealing it was the wrong decision in general.

No, yeah, they should never have touched that.

No, without a doubt.

But also, it's just like, if I was told to sit down and write the terminus decrees, I have to.

i don't know man i think i could have thought something better than that and i try i try not to insert myself in that way but like i don't know man i honestly feel like it would be either that or starting some kind of horus heresy round two oh here we see This is like them going around murdering space marines.

They snort like Malkador's ashes or something.

You know what?

They did that.

I feel like a simple thing would be like Terminus Decree, you get to have the full support of the Administratum, therefore the Minotaurs get involved.

That's like an easy fix.

You bring in the absolute dickheads of the setting to help you wrestle him off the throne.

At least then, that's like the same chapter that's like...

Valerian being like, I don't know if I can take that guy.

That guy scares me.

And I'm a custodian.

That's an easy fix.

Look, they go and be...

And I got a shout out to Kaldar Drago for briefly showing up in Age of Sigmar.

Wasn't that retconned?

No, that was a completely different thing.

He saw a world of eight realms of magic ruled by a god king.

It was like, well, that's so stupid, but I'm so glad it exists.

Let's remove the Terminus Decree from this, because that's fairly recent.

If we just go off like, do you like tangerines?

Like, um, Chaos Gate, Demon Hunter new version game is cool.

It is lore.

Don't they kill Mortarion?

They banish him.

And they did it before.

This is rude.

I'm gonna stand it in here.

Crazy statement there.

The Grey Knights have a thing where its potential is a letdown of what its potential could be.

It's on paper.

it could like it's like you know it's a fully functioning elite psycho force with the emperor's genesee which is amazing but yet again unfortunately too many things it's like kind of with parts of the death card there's an overall like something is let down about it and i i actually played grey knights as well i like grey knights my first army yeah i love my love me baby carriers Love it.

I love how stupid it is.

I love how stupid it is.

I like the baby carrier, I gotta be honest.

I like their other models a lot.

I think they just gotta sculpt it a little different.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's hideous, but I love it for that.

Well, yes, I know why you love it for some reason.

It's like a pug.

It's barely breathing.

It shouldn't be moving.

It shouldn't exist.

As far as it's too tight.

Me when I exercise.

Can I ask you guys an opinion on an idea I had about the Grey Knights in general?

You've got the Secretrix, Maledix, and Split in the Galaxy in Twain.

Their whole thing is they fight chaos.

I thought it would be really interesting.

On the way to fighting chaos, they have to get by fighting Xenos and Heretics.

They're not built for that.

But they have to get to the place they want to be, and therefore their stories could be like, oh, we have to ally with the Space Marine chapter.

Kind of like Pandorax.

We're like, we don't really want to be here.

We don't really want to be doing this, like, grunt work.

But we have to do it if we want to, like, get to the real objective.

That's my point, though, Andy.

Like, it's in the potential.

And, like, I think they're, honestly, they're fine where they are, I think.

they're fine where they are but again i i guess i would put top of c personally but if it was No, we're not doing aesthetics.

Believe me, if it was aesthetics, they'd almost all be up there.

Yeah.

Who is this?

Wait, wait, wait.

I have to explain this.

This is Death Watch, but I picked this specific character because this character is the last remaining astral core, right?

Oh, that's cool.

This character was in the Death Watch.

before they turn traitor and stay stuck.

There is so much potential for Death Watch, and yet...

Can I...

We killed the aliens.

Hang on, hang on.

We killed the aliens, and we make sure you don't kill Swinesh.

Hang on.

I will try and make it quick.

Let me just argue for Bea overall.

They're very cool.

Like, a Death Watch, in concept, it's not that deep.

It's kill aliens, but, like, it's such, like, a cool little thing in lore.

Grab everyone we can, make them real good at killing aliens, go get them.

The only problem is they can't be that deep, and they ruin the Yanari, so I hate them for it.

And also, real pet peeve, four of them die to, like, the middest Tyranid fighters in the intro to Space Marine 2.

They are, like, the ultimate background detail.

Space Marine 2 is goofy.

A Space Wolf Death Watch guy died to one warrior?

I realize I'm muted, yeah.

I was about to say, sorry.

No, the opening of Space Marine 2 is my favorite part of that game.

I think all the Death Watches suck.

um but i also i'm with colin in the sense that uh i think the death watch are not very deep however the fact that they come from different legions is the selling point and that makes them interesting i also enjoy the radical nature of them where they are open to using strange things like xenophobes blades and so on i find that interesting i only think b i don't go any higher they're the they're the ultimate background they can't go above that Eli, have you read the short story about Solomon Akura from the Alpha Legion?

He has every name.

Let me pitch it to you, Eli, because you'll like this, right?

It's Mike Brooks' short story.

It's like a prequel to his book about Solomon Akura.

He has a tango with the Death Watch and he pits them against each other because there's a Dark Angel successor looking for the Fallen.

I think you told me about this before.

but there's all these different chapters who are all like we're all united but actually we all have our own agendas like i think there's a blood angel successor there's a space wars and like he preys on their weaknesses until they turn on one another and it was so well written i was like that's fantastic But it's not good for the Death Watch, but it does at least add like a level of, oh, this is an exploitable weakness of the Death Watch.

That's kind of cool.

Do you know the name of this short story?

Because I want to read it.

I will check.

I don't want to be this guy, but please, holy fuck, can we move on?

I'm assuming this is Ray Corsair slash Astro Claws.

B is fine.

I think Huron is cool, and that's about it.

You know what?

Can we skip towards some of the Xenos?

Because we haven't even talked about the Xenos.

All right.

So we got Eldar in general, Craftwelders.

Because every book that isn't a codex is bad.

I was going to say, I like Eldar.

I like Eldar in terms of their aspect warriors, general concept, and feudal Japanese vibe.

And every book I've ever read of them has not been good.

Oh, dude.

You read the Codexes?

They're the coolest faction ever.

You read their books?

I think C2, then.

If it's literally just Codex lore and it's just bad book, it's just C2.

Mechanicus is A.

Oh, A.

They have cool moments and cool characters.

Shore Mechanics can be an A.

That's fine.

They're John Warhammer.

Harlequins can be an A, I guess.

They are fun.

They just don't have much.

Are Harlequins in A?

You're right.

It's too much.

They're in the Tricari 70.

They have a short story.

The characters show up a lot.

Should we just do Necrons next?

Necrons are S tier.

Necrons are S tier.

It's not even a question.

I would maybe put it top of S, honestly.

There's not a bad Necron book.

No.

The Necron lore revitalization has been the best case of them doing a retcon, I think, in ever.

It's fantastic.

It's ridiculously good.

obviously book recommendations obviously out the wazoo is infinite divine twice dead king i think yeah i think twice the king ruin is better than infinite divine if i'm being honest it's a fantastic book i don't agree with you on that calm down eli calm down eli it's a great book i just think that ruins does more for the necron faction that's all i'm saying major i'm gonna stand treason Twice Dead King gives you lore from the entire faction in both books.

It's awesome.

Severed with Zandrek.

It's the best freaking book ever.

I love you Zandrek.

I love you Oberon.

They're also cool when they're the villains.

Because Tau is the one where he suffers from height.

I was just going to mute and let Eli go, but please.

They're B.

They're B because the Eldar are C because they have zero good books and good codex lore.

The Tau have good codex lore and a few good books and then a few of the worst books in all 40k, but I think they're good enough books puts them in B tier.

Elemental Council is really good.

Fire Warrior is awesome.

I have not read Firecast, but I've heard it's really good.

Fire Warrior, the book, not the game, right?

Because the game sucks.

Absolute abysmal dog shit.

Everything written by Phil Kelly is literally awful.

Almost unreadable.

It's a Halo killer.

Yeah, the only thing that killed Kayla was itself.

Dude, I was a Destiny head, too.

There's always the killer.

Oh, thank you so very much.

Oh, it's here.

Fantastic.

Cheers, my man.

Cheers, Colin.

Thank you so very much.

Remind the people again what this is.

Fireball, Monster Energy, Zero Ultra, and Corona Light.

And I have a lemon wedge as well.

Salud.

Hail to the Infinite Empire.

That's right.

what's his name he's a name this doesn't suck this is good no it's not horrible it's bad and like uh you keep drinking it you're gonna keep drinking it and it's gonna get slowly worse no i mean i will not feel good after this but it's good no it's it's not horrible in a lot as much as you know i played it up a bit it isn't horrible this is actually quite good the worst part of it is the corona the corona is the worst part really the funny I would recommend a, uh, if you ever had Coke and fireball and Coke.

Oh yeah.

I mean the college days, my college days were much cheaper than yours.

Oh God.

Now.

Oh yeah.

Nowadays.

No, but these damn, uh, these damn Brits were trying to get me to have Sambuca all the time.

Dog shits.

It's the worst drink I've ever had in my life.

It's terrible.

Sambuca sucks.

I'm sorry.

I saw that you were trying to do some donations, Andy, I assume.

Well, we can get for a few.

There's not many.

Okay, but we are in agreement.

Necrons are top, yeah?

Yeah.

Excellent.

Good, good.

They are the rivals of the other real faction, the Illgar.

So we got RT -23 for five.

Guys, Ultramarines, Laura's S.

Meanwhile, Kalgar 1v1 the Lord of Skulls and Uriel beat a Catan Shard.

Actually, no.

Law of Crime, Uriel did not beat a Catan Shard.

That was Cato Sicarius.

That doesn't...

I like Kalgar more than Cato Sicarius.

Look, I'm just saying, how many other factions have a Marvel comic?

It's none.

Calgar has aura, man.

Calgar has the most aura in all of 40k.

Calgar is a force of nature.

He's a brick house that just goes.

Reminder, Mortarion got wrecked by Garrow and Drago.

And Jagatai.

Jagatai, absolutely, yeah.

Verbally and physically.

Yeah.

An eggplant for five.

Diggy, why put Mongolian space marines defending your version of the Great Wall of China?

Don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it.

Curious.

Imperial Fisk has a poop fault.

Skibbity Fisk.

H3277 Harold.

Fiverr, in my defense, been build up the bug since 2019.

Hey, man, good for you.

LME Monsters and the edgy boys simple as ignore the six other armies.

Too true.

I own all of them.

Yeah, I know how you beat.

I know how that beat.

Vin with the tenor, first time catching y 'all live.

Now, Colin, tell Ricky how the Leagues of Otan are just religious sci -fi caradron overlords.

That's cool.

That's sick as hell.

I like the idea.

They got the cool balloons and shit.

I'm fine with that.

Both of those factions are sick, and I'll die on that hill.

I'm going to read this one.

Xenon, Andy can vouch.

I can't always attend the live shows, but thank you all for this gathering.

Among us, twerk, bricky nose.

I really like sending the twerking among us gif.

I love that gif.

It's the only gif in my favorites on Discord.

Yeah, it's a great gif.

Is it coming back around to being funny again?

It was always funny, Hal.

It was never funny.

Because it's not funny, it's now funny.

The audience finds it funny.

It's a Tommy Wiseau effect.

Eli, the next couple?

Anzer, Ron, Ninger the Five.

Glad to finally catch you all live.

Thank you, Colin.

Colon, sorry, for the Battletech addiction.

So happy to help.

Iron Warriors are S -tier Iron Caves.

That's right.

Number one win against those Cringe Fists.

Cool job.

Carl, this is for you.

Hey Colin, it's time for you to say the uwu magic rar uwu xd owo meow owo meow uwu neko uwu chan tihi uwu uwu ihi kawaii.

I'm not proud of myself for being able to read that out without stuttering, but it's the internet.

It is what it is.

Shout out to the grandkids in Barris.

I don't give a shit.

I'm going to pay for the grandkids' future, so fuck off.

And Hal, this one's for you.

Oh.

Name is Chomsky putting Leagues of Wotan above Salamanders' Diamond Bombers.

No, it's deserved.

Leagues of Wotan have one okay book.

Salamanders have five bad ones.

550.

I'd rather trap my foreskin in a door than read a Salamanders novel.

Drukari?

I love their trilogy.

I think the Drukari are A -tier.

I think they're actually very good.

The Big Daka, the Orc book, was a fantastic Drukari book.

I think even ignoring The Drukhari are the one Xenos faction GW has written so well and to form that they're like the only ones that the standard Imperium fan is like, yeah, they're horrifying.

You blow your head off before a Dark Eldar captures you.

Anyone will admit that.

And the fact that they've been able to do that and make that attitude a thing, I think speaks volumes for how well they've written the Drukhari.

Isn't it crazy how my favorite...

dark elder stuff is in an orc book because yeah the big the big daca is an amazing part where he um where he talks in the jail cell with the archon is like the best it's it's a phenomenal exchange like he's souped up so he's even bigger like in the cave yeah he's like really smart now and he's like oh if i die who cares i went out fighting and this archon is like that i i've i cannot fathom this this line of thinking you know, a peace offering in one hand and knife in the other.

They're, you know, they're no dark elves, but they're still awesome.

Even though Malekith is not the Phoenix King.

I will say, Bricky, though, if I was to recommend one book, check out Lucas the Trickster, because there's a guy in it called Saliscus, and he's like, I don't wear the same clothes day to day.

And I'm like, oh, where will we go raiding?

Why not the homeworld of the Space Wolves?

That sounds fun.

So I think you'll like it.

It's funny.

Should we speedrun a few of these?

Yunari or F?

Yunari or F?

Straight to the bottom.

I wanted them to be good.

They are the potential man of 40k.

Assassin or Kingmaker?

Okay.

Assassin or Kingmaker is an incredible book.

That's where my praise ends.

They can't go above C.

What about the Horus Heresy book?

I like the Horus Heresy book.

Oh yeah, the one where they try to kill Horace is cool.

Horace's book is pretty good.

It's an arm of the Lord of Terror.

Hey, Andy, can I sum up their Horace Hersey real book?

You know, we're going to try and kill Horace.

Oh no, we know how it ends.

No, we're not.

Thanks.

Can we give them a passing grade at least?

They can have C, that's fine.

The two books or whatever that they have?

It's great.

I'd put them right there.

I feel like they have a similar thing with Death Note.

They're one of the coolest features of 40k.

They're great villains.

They're aesthetically lovely.

Oh, yeah.

But by the inherent nature of their faction, every story about them goes two ways.

You lose, or the Tyranids eat you.

She flies away to go talk to other people.

She lives in that book.

As a faction, that is the true end result.

That's what makes them so awesome.

As a background thing, I love them as a part of 40k.

I think as books, there's a limit.

My biggest problem with the Genestealer cults is that the way they've written them is the Imperium should basically not exist anymore because there's Genestealer cults across the entirety of the Imperium.

It's like, what the heck?

So you lose, but if you win, you get eaten.

Yeah.

You're unified with the angels, man.

To the holy pilgrimage.

Here's a question, though, because we have to rate these simultaneously.

Are we putting Tyranids in F?

Or, like, how do we do that?

Because Genestealer cults, their lore is not their lore.

Their lore is the lore of Hivescum.

It's the lore of citizenry, right?

Which is not, like, the same.

Like, bear in mind, next month I'm going to be doing Tyranid -only content.

And it's just, like, Gribbly monsters and, like...

So, a week?

Yeah.

I'm stretching it to a month.

But it's, like, it's Gribbly Ribblies and then there's, like, three guys who have names that aren't Gribbly Ribblies.

And it's, like, the problem with Tyranids is that they're just Gribbly Ribblies.

And so...

Yes, the Genestealer's cool, but they're destined to become food for the Gribbly Ribblies.

I think Genestealer's cool because there is, again, it's the same thing with the Death Watch thing.

There's an overall cool factor where it adds to Warhammer lore, but it suffers from the fact of it doesn't really have what would be traditional character development or other exciting things.

There are examples of it.

I'm not saying, you know, preparing it or anything, but it's just like...

It's held back from the upper echelon.

So I put it right next to it.

You know what?

Right next to Death Watch, hilariously.

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

I think you deserve it.

I'll give it.

I'll allow it.

They're just people.

And people have interesting stories.

So I think that's fine.

So where are the nids?

Do we even have nids on this list?

They're combined.

Oh, they're combined.

Oh, and then they're going down.

That's crazy.

What the heck?

No, no, no.

Hang on.

Tyranids belong right next to Death Watch.

They are the ultimate, like, threat.

They are the ultimate background feature of 40K.

You cannot write a book for Tyranids, which is why they can't go above B tier.

They're so cool in overall lore concept.

I think they belong in B tier.

You know what I'd love to see?

Tyranids.

being like consuming a problem we're like oh we are so we we consume some black templars so we're going to fight in the name of the emperor and we don't quite know why but we've assimilated that and so we think that's a part of our identity or that's a thing that goes against yeah what we need is more people fighting for the emperor that's what we need we need some wild cards for the tyranids because otherwise it's just you know where you can find that necromunda I think the Norn emissaries and stuff is a huge...

We'll leave them there.

So we're doing orcs now, yeah?

I want to put my stamp on this.

I want to put it...

I want to put it just under guard because I...

get giddy.

I don't think that's guard.

I think that's silence cave.

No, that's specifically Caiaphas cave.

That being said, I would put guard there too.

I would put guard on top of this.

I think guard are the top of this.

Wait, hold on.

Let's roll back really big.

Okay, so why orcs there?

Because there's the genius part.

I guess from my own perspective, I've always loved character.

Character is always king in anything.

And just...

I've never really been let down by a normal character in Sunset.

Even though it's more like the Necrons, there's more recent additions like with Infinite Divine.

Uftak Bone Ripper's two books have come out.

I always put it in the must read.

Uftak Bone Ripper?

No, Black Hawk.

Black Hawk, sorry.

You're right.

It's Uftak Black Hawk.

Black Hawk.

You've got the first name and last name mixed up.

Bone Ripper is Sam Cole's mount.

That's what I was thinking of.

You've gone to the wrong set up.

But yes, Ooftuck, Blackhawk, the Big Doc, etc.

With his snazzammer.

And his squig.

And the boffin.

The communist uprising.

between i've been going through the i've been going through the red gobo collection and i'm in the book too and i'm like i had no idea about these guys but i do like how like the first book is all like oh yeah we're just gonna have an uprising and then the second was like well who's in charge it's like well i am i don't know about that i like how they're just always infighting even when they got what they want easily summarized but space marine one story is is not is a story that exists for the game right every time grim skull is on screen in space marine one it's a treat yeah or orcs as just on a video concept as a lore concept orcs haven't figured out they they know exactly what they are what they're supposed to be they don't complicate it that's why i think st is this this will be one of the few times i admit i i have to give 40k over fantasy credit they perfected orcs within 40k There's no dancing.

This has no bearing on this gear list.

I went through Grotsnik's recent book and there's a brief moment where they're like, how do Umis procreate?

And Grotsnik is like...

it's disgusting you don't want to know oh wow that's amazing um one of the best parts for me a small little bit is when in the big daca when the boffin who's the mech has like a one wheel and he rides around on it and he replaces it with like a dark eldar jet thing And Uvtuk is like, why you still have the wheel then?

He's like, well, you know, Spikey gets this shit kind of sucks, so if they fail, he's like, so I got the wheel.

And he's just like, that shit is just fantastic.

Certified General Grievous logic right there.

I have my big wheel.

My lady.

Sisters of Awesome.

I've never had a...

I kind of one note, but they always do that one note.

Have you read Faith and Fire?

It's so amazing.

It's an amazing book.

It's like the only one.

Game Swallow.

I'm going to say something.

If I hear James Swallow again, I'm going to swallow this podcast.

I'm going to say something.

Some people might take issue with this, but I think sisters do the humanity hell yeah thing better than the guard.

And I think in terms of potential, the sisters could be easily S tier.

But Games Workshop loves to have them killed in the background or...

not appreciated as much as marines i don't think they can do humanity hell yeah as good because the guard is like the the guard is like it's true that is well it's just what they are like the reason i say that is within like 40k's mechanics oh like the zealots type and anyone could like manifest faith like they do they just take it so far that they're most known for it there's no like major genetic fuckery going into them they're just they're just insane yeah they're just that cooked which like i mean like you know peak what can humans do in 40k is the sisters They're the perfect faction for 40k, too.

They are the Imperium.

They're the Imperium to the nth degree.

The Book of Martyrs is good fun because it's three different characters, and all of them die at the end of their stories, which is why it's called The Book of Martyrs.

But one of them kills an Ethereal, and she's just so angry, and I love it.

She intentionally mispronounced their names because she's just so spiteful.

Every piece of dialogue from a Sister of Battle main character goes hard.

every single piece of dial everything these women say is so freaking cool here's the here's the weird part because i'm often i'm often like a sister simp as well because like i love sisters one of my favorite factions i play them all the time my only reason that i think is keeping them from est here is the simple fact that i think a lot of their books fall flat um i think they only have a couple good ones and they are also a little one note at times i will also say oh no It's perfectly placed in the tier list where it is, where the novels of the Death Guard, some of them will eclipse the Sisters ones, but overall, the Sisters as a total package is probably slightly better than the things that have come before it.

Yeah, I will say...

Andy, you first.

Andy, you go now.

Andy, you now.

All I'm going to say is I really like Ephriel Stern's book, and I like how there's a chaos sister about good stuff here.

Sorry, it's good.

I think it's a very bold decision to make the mostly all, like, female faction of the Imperium be, like, arguably the most...

disgusting and hateful and like like awful every time you read a sister's codex you're like yeah and then they all cheered as they like ripped the heretics limb from limb and and they are saying for him as the emperor i'm like this this is fucking awesome here's the penitent engine get get wire into that and go scream at the british hooligans they they are i like kind of way they are the nth degree of i was just following orders but they genuinely believe everything you do which is amazing they're so cool they're great they're great i just think they need some better stories because they can be a bit yeah and like to say with that like they're one they've like they've got double one note because all i think the only ordo like gdo is aware of is the order of our martyred lady I think they forget there are other Sisters of Battle orders.

Dude, Valorous Heart and Argent Shroud are super cool.

So many are so cool, but you have one.

Sacred Rose!

My army's painted Sacred Rose.

Hell yeah.

I mean, Argent Shroud is where Marvin of All is from, which I think is sick.

It's a cool concept.

The other thing limiting them, they do, but I...

There's so many little background lore of like, the Imperium is every human culture ever and so much more.

Every sister of battle is gothic super soldier, which I love, but I would kill for like a Buddhist sister of battle or something like that.

You could do so much with the concept of faith and they don't do it.

They don't do it.

They believe in the emperor.

They believe in the emperor.

And give like a censored like bo staff.

Yeah, they believe in the emperor, but there's so much like little background lore of the religion of the Imperium is 10 million different faiths all jumbled together.

It's true, but I think the sisters are a bit more unified.

they are they normally are taken into the scola and then like indoctrinated through there so you could still do it make it like some small sect in a backwater region you could do it and i'm kind of like i would agree I will say, fellas, who of these factions do you think you have the most to talk about?

Why are there two Inquisitions, is my question.

There's Inquisition, there's the Navy.

That's the Navy.

We're on the Navy?

The Navy?

It might as well be the Guard.

Hold on, you've got the Navy, the Guard, and rogue traitors all as separate things?

I know they're a faction.

It's factions.

I am the biggest Rogue Traders defender.

First edition 40k.

I wish Rogue Traders were still the main characters.

They're not a faction.

They never have been a faction.

They're an A -model kit.

They have a game.

Sort of the rejects.

Get it together for me.

Alright, alright.

We'll pay you.

I'm going to put the Navy and the Rogue Traders in F tier.

Inquisition?

I need a we.

Go ahead, Andy.

Inquisition in S tier, I think, is okay.

They are also the Imperium.

Incarnate.

And all of its different opinions.

And they have amazing characters.

You get like Amberly Vale sometimes.

You get a whole bunch of stuff.

And Inquisitor Karamazov.

The coolest model ever made.

A particular shout out as well.

The strength of...

I don't know if everyone has in here read it, but the Eisenhorn Trilogy.

Well, actually it has four books now.

And then the Beckwin stuff and all that stuff.

the strength of like what is the human story throughout like again like we all like this the space rings are beyond our experience but as in obviously i'm not you know i'm not literally battling demons unless it's on the bloody loo um but you know uh you know shout out to clean bowel movements in your 30s bro and loving it um but the inquisition stories and it sounds like the eisenhorn strength really is the sort of like the rotten degeneration of characters where they start off as something pure and noble and you're sure of yourself and it turns into you know like light with life thing that as you get older you kind of you're so sure of yourself you see things in black and white and it's like you know it's this way or the highway and then when you get older you're realizing the shades do really be gray and it's a great like this even though dan abnett wrote that in bloody what 2000 or something 25 years ago god damn i'm old um yeah but the thing is it's such like it's it's the it's the distilled essence of 40k and it's like it's it's the thing that everything else is built around so it just has to be i think i think i do like a lot of things in s bit more but i would put it just under where are we putting it i'm fine with under orcs it is the inquisition is that tend to mount to what warhammer is in a way you know ignoring ignoring the months of shame they always make inquisitors scary when they show up there is never and there's almost otherwise never a book where an inquisitor shows up and you're not like oh yeah i mean i i'll read like a like a crime novel or something and if someone flashes the inquisitorial rosette you're like oh yeah you're like oh my god you know can i can i ask a question to the to the floor okay Has anyone heard of Inquisitor Roth?

R -O -T -H.

Okay, I thought you were going to do W -R -A -T -H, and I was like, no, they can't do this.

I just learned about slaughter in the War of the Beasts.

I can't do this.

No, I do not know.

Maybe from you mentioning it previously.

Obi -Wan Clouseau.

Well, yeah, he's peak.

Come on.

Wait, wait, wait.

Clouseau is great.

Right up there with Marco Colombo.

He has a trilogy.

He has an octopus.

I've never heard of him.

And the writer who wrote him has never written anything else.

What a hero.

He got his back from GW and left.

Hold on real quick.

Let's put Rogue Traders and Navy in B because they don't deserve F.

It's too random.

Who's the random lady beside the demons?

I think that's supposed to be Rogue Traders.

Navigators?

I knew it was going to be Navigators.

I knew it.

What do you mean?

What do I mean?

They're not a faction.

They have a book.

they're part of the navy a lot of people have a book They have a few books.

What do you mean, Andy?

Put them on the Navy.

They're a part of the Navy.

They're part of the Navy.

Just put them on the Navy.

They are part of the Navy.

Like, what the heck?

Can we also put the Sisters of the Island with the custodians as well?

Yes, let's put them with the custodians.

I thought that was an Eldar looking at it for the longest time.

No, it's Genesia Kroll.

They are a real faction that exists.

What do you want about?

Come on.

Wherever the sisters or the custodians are, put them next to it.

Put them in seats here.

Yeah, the sisters.

I love the custodians.

I love the sisters.

I love the custodians, but they're deployed.

at the same time.

They're the same faction.

They work together all the time.

If we're putting Navigators, Rogue Traders, and fucking the Navy together, we're putting them together.

Grown men arguing ASMR?

This is Warhammer lore in a nutshell, man.

It's a bunch of grown dudes yelling at each other.

That's the world.

I didn't see no custodians during the flight of the Eisensteins.

I'm just saying, between the flight of us as well?

Between the five of us, we're somewhat filling in the gaps, but there's so much we're all just like, eh.

We're just high -ranking.

Can I argue for Custodes and Sisters of Silence?

Only really having, I think, at most three strong novels.

In a general sense, quite cool.

I do like their thing going on.

But as in the...

Not Vault of Terror.

Watch of the Throne.

Watch of the Throne, two novels which are very interesting, and Master of Mankind, Horus Heresy novel.

That's, as we've talked about other factions here, that's kind of the only strength.

And again, some of their scenes are incredible, but I would really, really strongly argue it only kind of goes just under Harlequins.

Amandera Kendall has stuff, and Janisha Kroll is in the season of Error.

I'm just saying, Sisters of Silence have more lore than the Custodians.

They just do.

They have more lore.

And it's good.

Yeah, yeah, put them above.

Yeah, I'm with Colin on this one.

You guys are too mean to call, and I tell you what, he's my goat.

He's my goat.

He's got some great ideas, alright?

We love him.

We love him, and kiss him goodnight every night.

Do you not like dreadnoughts, Colin?

Oh, I love dreadnoughts.

Oh, thank God.

Yes, they're great.

Dreadnoughts are great.

I think every time someone says the same dreadnought, but with a new gun on it, it's a different dreadnought.

No.

Oh, that's a model maker stupid.

Yeah, that's a different argument.

But I love dreadnoughts.

It's just under Harlequins.

It's not better than Harlequin lore.

It's not.

They're just like random dudes.

There's too many things holding it back.

Knights are C tier.

Okay, you're no longer my go.

You're washed out of your mind.

Hang on, hang on.

I wasn't done.

It's because I associate them with my least favorite Battletech faction.

I know I'm going very biased.

Speaking of Battletech, we got Knights.

What are our opinions on that?

I'm fine with it.

I say that.

I do like Imperial Knights.

I'll be honest.

I've read all of Andy Clark's books other than his Knight trilogy, and that's his best work, so that's kind of unfair.

But other than his books, they're just kind of there occasionally, which is a bit of a shame.

I would imagine the best Knight book is Assassinorm Kingmaker.

I think Mechanicum's really good.

It's a really good night book.

And there's the Armageddon, Third War of Armageddon.

It's two of them that are part of the Third War of Armageddon.

It's going to go in the list where it's basically just cooler than the thing below it.

And I don't know if I can put Nights cooler than Ultramarines, but I know it's cooler than Dark Angels.

I think Nights are a great backdrop.

Because the concept of a knight, like a knightly household of a bunch of dudes who are dickheads but can back it up, piloting robots.

And inbred.

And inbred, piloting robots.

And like, all right.

It's just kind of, I don't know.

I think they're really, really cool, but there's not enough.

You know, I need more.

They have like the Votan problem where I think there's more.

What's the next one, Andy?

Is this just chaos?

That's just chaos, and I'm going to add Dark Mechanicus.

I've got an angry opinion for Dark Mechanicus.

Who cares?

I would love to see more, but they're nothing right now.

Sorry.

Demons are really cool, but they're all really one -dimensional, naturally.

I think demons go way out here, because demons are much well -read -er -bidden and read -er -bidden, Jesus Christ.

Better written?

In every piece of fantasy lore in Age of Sigmar lore ever, and then you go to 40K, and then GW can't write beyond, actually, it was demons the whole time.

That is a big one.

I will agree with you on that one.

But consider this, Vashtor the goat.

I do like Vashtor a lot.

I like Vashtor a lot.

Consider Samus is here.

Samus is the man beside you.

Yeah, unfortunately, Samus falls into the category of, like, warp nonsense, where he was always here, but he was never here, but he was Garvio Loken getting backstabbed at birthdom.

Or was it like Super Mario Land 2?

It was all a dream.

Listen, he starts in Horus Rising, but the only...

horror's heresy but i've managed to make colin reed shout to uh lodge cast because that's the only time he'll ever read it i made him watch it for a podcast i'll read another one if you know you you betrayed me you gotta read these things where like i just like in particularly an audiobook form a lot of the demon stuff hits a bit harder i understand like there's a lot of there's a lot of what i can only describe is you know You know what I mean?

You order takeout food and you get a fucking turd.

It's delivered in the worst way possible.

What are you talking about, man?

What the hell are you saying, man?

What do you mean?

Bro, I promise you, it's nearly two in the morning for me, I'm delirious.

I need to get to it.

Okay, I thought like...

Okay, first things first.

The best Stark Mechanicus character is Deltrian from the Nightlord trilogy.

We can skip past that one.

With his little window wiper eyes, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah, with his little jewel eyes.

They're funny side characters.

Well, Hal is the Fabricator General.

No one cares.

No, no one cares about the Fabricator General guy.

No.

But, like, demon, I don't know, like, if we're putting orcs so high, demons are, as a nature, a one -note, god -specific, their point is this, that's it.

I'm not arguing for S.

I'm arguing for, like, blow B, high C.

I agree.

They're cool villains.

It goes C.

I feel like they're not as compelling as...

black hearts downfall but they're kind of more than like i'm a rich kid in space we will we we were like i feel like that's a good clip that's a sound bite right there all right can we put can i as one request can we put guard to the top of s tier and then we can be done Eli, listen, you're a man after my own heart, but I'm not putting anything above Necrons.

Necrons are my favorite faction.

They are the rightful rulers of the galaxy.

But no book has ever made me feel emotions like a Mario Kart book has.

Wait, wait, wait.

Yeah, Necropolis.

Yeah, Necropolis goes insane.

Eli, Eli, Eli.

How many Caiaphas Kane books versus God generic?

I gotta be honest, I don't think there's as many guard generic books as we think there are.

There's a decent amount.

There's one for like every major regiment, which is like 20 already.

He's read the Talon stuff.

Talon made me cry.

Deadman Walking also made me cry.

No other book has made me cry.

Not even Necropolis?

I haven't read that one.

Fulgur makes me tear.

I need to go touch grass after this.

this is too much this is too much I love Warhammer obviously more than anything but my god am I have I just that's a lot of plastic this is what happens this is how I see myself saying because I play like other things well speaking of we are in the depths I have one question I must ask every guest.

Ricky, you get an upgraded version of this question, because I will admit I watched your Zombies videos, and you and another person convinced me on giving Black Ops 3 and 4 a chance.

I did not want you to play 4.

It was just 3, but that works.

3 was you.

4 was the other guy, Arthur Bones.

Dead of Night's pretty good.

It's good, so I'm going to instead ask you the next tier.

uh -huh what's the best wonder weapon in terms of power or fun either because power is a power is a slick with fire from black ops 2 die rise because it's the only one that you can fully infinitely use like it's the best possible let's but it's but it's horribly boring oh yeah um let's go let's go let's go fun because i've got my easy answer but honestly my easy answer is the um is the origin staffs You know what?

That's a respectable answer.

I find them to just be very fun.

I like to change up options and try different things.

It's very enjoyable.

I like the general feel.

Alright, you know what?

I like that answer.

That's fair.

Yeah, Dr.

Maxis.

Yeah, so bizarre.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Origins is the best zombies map.

I've seen all that.

I have to...

Wait, is Origins...

Are you okay with the stuff?

The Origins cutscene is peace.

That intro was the best thing.

Oh, yeah.

Is that the one where you get the stuff and you combine the stuff?

Yeah, it's the stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's my favorite map, too.

Yeah.

It goes like this.

It goes Origins, Mob of the Dead, and then...

I can't pronounce Russian.

Oh, mine's not even on your list.

This conversation's dropping rapidly.

Which one's yours?

I like the race from...

world of war yeah it's oh oh i love that map i can't wait to stand in a catwalk from around 15 up yeah it's great you know what yeah absolutely nothing no you are insane i like twins it's great it's great listen aesthetically it's lovely it was great for you when you were 11 it's not it doesn't and it's still great for me No, it needs more.

And the Wunderwaffe is the best wonder weapon.

Yes, Wunderwaffe.

I know, it's great.

It's a lovely weapon.

15 kills guaranteed with one shot.

Don't you know that I am the prize?

Yes, it's been a hot minute.

What's the Lovecraft one?

Shadows of Evil.

That's one of my favorites.

That's a great map.

That's a map you've got to try again.

That's the map that started them where it's like, oh, how do I pack a punch?

Well, you got to do 10 backflips, backwards long jump up the catwalk, jerk off a horse.

As someone who got to weigh 50 on Moon doing the...

I'm just sorry for you.

What do you think of Moon?

Moon has an insane aesthetic.

It has a really great look and general concept.

And the zap gun is great.

The problem is the...

fucking excavators.

Then you play Moon.

It's the goddamn where you're like, oh, I got to take my helmet off to get this little hacking device to stop them from destroying my entire train loop.

Moon is just like, Moon is inconvenience after inconvenience.

Do you know what I mean?

You exercise the girl of Richtofen and then you have the girl on your squad.

The Easter egg doesn't count.

What it will always come down to is something that Brookie said in another video.

It's going to be...

art direction over anything else the maps i will always remember will be things that had a stunning like unique direction to it you can't be I don't care.

Like, the gameplay for zombies is not why we're there generally.

Well, I don't agree with you on that one.

Okay, you're going too far.

Also, if we're going direction -wise, The Ultimate Decider is the best song, and Kino Dirt Toten has continued to be unmatched.

You know what?

I will agree with you.

It's a top three.

I'm actually a big Dead Flower, Zetsubou, Noshimo fan.

I...

I...

So, okay, here's my hot take.

Here's my hot take.

Zetsubou no Shimo is a great map, but it is one of the worst solo experiences out there.

If you have your friends, it's absolutely fantastic.

That's fair.

Yeah, no, I played it.

I've only played it with friends.

You know, it's fun.

Nice foresight, Eli.

Thank you.

I'm bored.

I'm showing the chat.

What's your opinion of Shangri -La?

I didn't paint this.

My friend painted it.

What's your opinion of Shangri -La?

That's a good map.

I think Shangri -La is abysmal dog shit.

It's the worst map they've ever made.

It's absolutely terrible.

Absolutely terrible.

There is no way to make me want to not play zombies with my friends and to see the host load up Shangri -La.

Now, Ascension.

Ascension is a very good map.

Anyway, we're going to be rambling for like two more hours.

We have a question of the week for a long time.

No, we'll do it later.

That's next week.

We have some donations to go through, so a couple each.

Mr.

Botchamania.

Calgar's comic literally stole his backstory from an Iron Handbook.

It did.

Yeah, but his is cooler.

Yeah, it was.

Declan Ellery for 10.

Just learned that a new Necron book came out literally yesterday, so I know what I'm doing off the stream.

Also, Bricky, I want you to know that I think Manfred would be a great Night Lord.

Manfred's a bitch -ass motherfucker.

He's not good enough to be a Night Lord.

Oh, man.

I feel like a lot of Night Lords can fall into that description.

You're right.

I think it's for me.

It was the shit comment.

Oh, yeah, probably.

Most likely.

Document USA has like two hours of Hal saying stuff.

Ricky, Ricky, please read Spear of Faith.

Call Rackle Wins.

This isn't English.

Those were words.

Maybe it's Estia for producing Abelard.

Actually, Brayden, I just got a message from Discord.

Brayden's really angry that we were ranking the Navy low because Navy does have some books in the good.

Navy's fine, but I'm more angry that Andy even put it on there.

Yeah, me too.

Wait, wait, wait.

Why?

Why?

Because when we think of factions in Warhammer, you tend to think about particular things that can be played.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Imperial Navy Breachers does not count.

Andy, have you met a human being who's...

I'm pretty sure they had their own game mode devoted to them.

Yeah, have you met a human being who's...

Is it called Warhammer 40K?

Battlefleet Gothic.

Yeah, have you met one human being who's played Battlefleet Gothic?

That doesn't...

Raiden.

Raiden's played Aeronautica.

It still exists.

Oh, wait, I'm sorry.

What game mode is Navigator?

What's the Navigator?

Navigator's crazy, by the way.

Navigator.

Navigator is called Colin's waifu, Rogue Trader from Owlcat Games.

Yeah, yeah, she's great.

She's great.

Who cares?

She's not a faction.

She's not a faction.

And they have an entire book for them.

Cassie's great.

Abelard's great.

You know, Abelard would be my dad, Cassie would be my wife.

Easy.

And no other faction has navigators that they talk about.

The divorce dad's conference is getting wild this year.

Anyway, Colin.

What?

What?

shrine maiden sisters of battle 1gw thank you nuts we can only hope we can only hope well i mean that one should probably be easy though just put like a mass wait calling you're that you're the history guy right yes what what are those really big balls um don't go with this uh that monks wear around their necks i'm already failing unfortunately medieval history and catholicism is not my forte ah shit i was just thinking like sisters but instead of like the balls like incense containers like a nice terrible i can look up balls monk swear but i don't know if that's gonna give me what i want balls anyway how you're the you're the left for that guy right chomsky this shit oh my god i don't think i can do this glory be to the hunters was it no miss chomsky lads thank you for the stream i haven't laughed that long In a hard time.

Sadly, since it's 2 .30am and I have work at 7, I must go home.

Thanks for sticking around.

Bless your soul.

I wish you all a great rest of the day.

Bricky, keep up the good work.

Thanks, man.

Hell yeah.

Hell yeah.

I don't even know what that is.

Which of you are keeping up with the Warhammer conference?

What?

I keep up with nothing.

I don't even read new books.

I only keep up with my credit checks and my alimony.

I don't give a hell.

Five guys in a room trying to make videos about stuff.

There's nothing professional really about this.

Hey, Hal, I write scripts.

I did.

Thank you for the $5.

I did not know Hal was so white he can reflect the sun.

I'm so white I got off with a warning.

I was looking tired right now.

You're looking tired, man.

You've changed from the start of the stream.

You look really tired.

Andy, Rara at 666 says, Andy, if consider rogue traders and navigators a faction, where are the exodites, individual guard factions, necromunda factions, and trader guard?

Where is my trader guard?

Trader guard books, right?

Dynasties.

Let me answer that piece by piece.

Exodites, bring me a book.

You ain't got nada.

Individual guard factions.

I've got a third -party model.

That's from Toy Story.

Don't you give me that bullshit.

I saw that.

Oh, it's the chicken guy from Toy Story.

Oh, fuck off.

Individual guard regiments are encompassed in the guard regiment.

You cannot couple.

the navigators into the guard because they don't fight.

And Necromunda, no one cares about Necromunda.

I'm gonna fucking kill you.

These reasonings are getting more and more stable.

We could use all those reasonings and say we should have had the chapters or legions.

All I'm saying is...

I've never heard of an Eldar Navigator or an Ekron Navigator.

Because they don't need them.

Exactly!

Oh, the lesser races are fighting again.

Boys, it's going to be Stringer versus Rope in a bit.

Come on.

I'm just saying, we had a novel that talked about their entire hierarchy, and they were also in the Ragnar Blackman books as a whole bespoke thing.

You're wrong.

We got far, Sears.

Thank you.

We have a question of the week after this.

What is Kaiju Blue?

Thank you all very much for coming to this stream and thank you very much for Bricky.

It has to be a thing.

The last thing.

Bricky, would you if you had the ability to double jump in real life, but The second jump, you shit yourself every time.

Do you take this?

Absolutely.

Why wouldn't you take it?

Why wouldn't you take it?

This is a stupid question.

This is a stupid question.

Here's why it's a stupid -ass question.

Here's why it's stupid, right?

Because you said you can double jump.

so i can just if i can just never do if i want to and then and then i can do circus acts for people and make a fuckload of money and just shit myself i'm like i don't care ma 'am if someone's like here here's a quarter million dollars like like spread trowel on camera like i'll do it for me there is there's no like okay if i need to double jump yeah it's worth shitting myself yeah You need to, like, make there be a chance that you poo your pants.

Like, what is the need of this?

I'm going to get hit by a car or I shit my pants.

Would you step on this puppy for $77 trillion?

Dude, I'm going to Adam Smasher, like, Rebecca Landon that fucking puppy and then shit on her.

You can have, like, a suppository diuretic and then you'd be fine for the whole day and you'd double jump to your heart's content.

Yes, Eli.

God forbid a brother say something.

You asked the question, Hal!

You asked the question!

DK said no.

He was tripping.

Don't forget the question of the week after this.

I don't think this is a question of the week episode.

Can we get an official stat from Spinosaurus?

Huge.

I love dinosaurs.

I know.

Stonies is the coolest thing until a prime record shines them.

You're wrong on so many accounts.

You're coping on the Valerian Alea books.

That's it.

Sorry.

Oh, they are great.

Bricky, bricky.

High five.

Ready?

Three, two, one.

Good man.

Wait, I could do like a smiling friends bit.

See, you would shit yourself.

You would find a way to shit yourself.

This is normal.

We cannot undo this.

I've died.

We've had a lovely time, everyone.

It's been two and a half hours for one tier list.

I know, it's nuts.

Sorry, Ricky.

No, man.

This is my people.

I'm not beating the Warhammers.

I'm making Warhammers sillier allegations.

This is damn, damn true across the board.

We've been beating those allegations for two years now.

This is great.

I think I can speak for all of us.

Thank you so much for being on the pod.

I think it's been absolute luck.

It's been absolutely lovely to have you.

Me and Amber King have met Ricky in person.

It's a very fun time.

Mind your own business.

But other than that, would you like to...

How was it?

Did you have a good time?

Do you have any last words?

Okay, okay.

In the serious actual thing, thank you very much for inviting me.

It was a lovely time.

I genuinely had a blast.

It was very great to meet everyone and put faces, I mean, obviously with the two of you, but faces to Colin and Eli, of course.

I always enjoy, as a lot of you know, I'm very much a...

a much more like get a foot in the door type thing when it comes to a lot of 40k lore.

And so it's really enjoyable to be able to share that same enjoyment with people who are in a similar vein and or much heavier diehards of the world, particularly Andy and Hal from your large amounts of read content.

So it's always nice to kind of put myself and my own ideas to the forge, to the anvil.

Just to like really kind of double check things.

For example, I actually am kind of interested in the Iron Hand stuff now.

Because I would have never believed you in the world.

But people probably don't, they don't read Iron Hand's books.

You're correct.

And that's a concern that you have is now opening up something for me.

So it's very interesting.

I'm very excited for it.

Eli has some base takes.

And honestly, Colin, congrats on the pregnancy, dude.

Thanks.

I'm expecting any day now.

I just got pinged in our Discord.

When am I giving birth?

so huge and can i stream it pardon me no of course uh but no genuinely thank you all very much um i'm not going to do the shout out stuff it's you can find me you know who you are that's not true uh but every single like handle i own is just at bricky so it's easy you know so yeah massive thank you d again warhammer lore is like really um stupid yeah yeah i love it man i love the thought the great thing always about it is like it's generally about your it's a lot if everyone watches a pub quiz on this channel you'll discover like between four people who do it every single day we are really like it's sometimes we get it like law crimes literally yeah so as in like is i just love even with like it does just the pure stupidity the depth and the amazing thing about warhammer and it's good to you know find it in common with people who literally opposite sides of the world and everyone is enjoying this thing that's the thing boys if everyone's listening at home thank you guys for listening for watching Hope you guys all enjoyed that.

And hopefully, you know, everyone out there who's obviously, you know, we've all worked normal jobs, all of us have that.

So if you're, you know, out there grinding, do your normal job or something like that, you know, hopefully made your day a bit better, man.

So we'll see you guys all very, very soon.

Check us out on the discord.

If you want to join for stupid.

We'll, we'll, we'll get that king of the hill stuff made.

Don't you worry.

And we'll see you guys on the next one then.

Peace.

Thanks.

Bye everybody.