I'm Heather Dubrew and I'm Terry Dureu, and we're going to keep this between us.

But not really, not really, not at all.

Our podcast room was supposed to be done and it's not.

Well, let me ask you a question.

Is the podcast room being done like the living room is being was being done?

Took a year because that took one full year.

The living room I thought was going to take Now it was gonna be like you know, he has a book with furniture.

You order furniture, they always tell you it'll be there in six weeks, which means six months.

This is the problem with furniture.

They don't keep anything in the store anymore.

And then if you want to order fabric, like I wanted to do new curtains, et cetera, so I had to order the fabric, and then the fabric is back ordered, and then you have to wait for the fabric and then that comes it.

Anyway, it's it missed two Christmases.

The end story is it is now.

Complete, except now you might as well put plastic on the furniture because you're not allowed to.

But you're allowed to say on the furniture.

Now, yeah, it's game on you just can't put your shoes.

So I just got home from work and I was asperating fluid from people's orifices.

And then don't sit on my couch.

Reading wounds and things like that.

Why don't you shower before you sit on the couch.

But I'm you know, I'm wearing scrub felt.

Well, there's another couch.

Try to sit on the other room when you're covered with I washed.

I washed my hands like thirty times today.

Wore gloves all day long.

Pretty clean really, by the way.

You know, I come home from surgery and I have four cases tomorrow.

I come home from surgery and I'm like inside of people's bodies for twelve hours.

I come home, sit right down on the couch after that.

Yeah, because you have layers on top of that.

It's not like you're operating with no gloves.

And I mean you have a gown.

Or I first go into the room, I put on gloves and inject them before I even put on it, you know.

So, so what are you making a case to not sit on the couch.

No, I'm just saying, you know.

AnyWho, Okay, So one of the pros on Dancing with the Stars, Whitney Carson.

So she and her husband were recently taking their two sons, they're five and two years old.

They were going to Australia to visit Robert Erwin, who who was her partner, was recently on Dancing with the.

Star's Robodel Hunter's kid and.

I watched her videos and they are on a thirteen hour flight, right, they're five and two years old, And they were shushed, and then the flight attendant came over and she said they weren't screaming, they weren't caring on they were just kind of giggling and talking.

And she said it was a daytime flight.

But again with a thirteen hour flight, I understand some people are going to sleep and whatnot.

But apparently there was a gentleman a few aisles ahead that was trying to rest, and so she asked the flight attendant, I completely understand that, is there specific times that you feel are rest times for passengers in the thirteen hours that I will do my best to keep everyone quiet, But you can't expect children to be quiet for thirteen hours.

How long does the typical person sleep if.

You get to in a night, no, I know, but if you get to the airport at six am to go on a thirteen hour flight.

Still don't sleep at all, but.

You're still not sleeping for thirteen hours.

People don't sleep typically for thirteen hours.

Let's say you were using this as a red eye, right, okay, the most.

I mean, I've never heard of anyone sleeping for eight hours on a flight, but okay, eight hours.

Then would you submit that the first couple of hours, in the last couple of hours, one would be allowed to speak?

Yes?

Right?

So I think Whitney's point was they wanted them to be quiet for the entire.

Thirteen hours, keep them quiet the whole time.

Just anytime they were just giggling or talking or anything.

They got the yes.

What do you think?

Well, now that my kids are older, I feel exactly the same.

It can't stay situational.

I mean, it's very easy to relate to that if you have similar age kids and they're going to make noise, because your kids are going to make noise.

But I mean, I mean, I get so much less tolerant to other people's children as I get older.

You know, in fact, I'm less tolerant of art children as I get older.

There's been stories of parents giving their children benadryl in an attempt to mellow them out.

And you know there is a certain percentage of kids it has the adverse effect off.

Yeah, and you give them ben and drill and they're hyper and go crazy and they're bouncing off the walls.

That's such a difficult situation, thirteen hours on a plane, not in first class with little kids next to you.

Oh, that's so painful at a two year old, two and five year old.

I rather forget.

It's impossible to shush a two year old.

Of course it is.

Now.

This is my feeling about that five year old as the mother of four children, and I have when they were young, I traveled with them by myself.

Oh a couple of times.

I took them to Mexico by myself, right, And I took them to Hawaii by myself.

Yeah.

I think I've taken them other places too, But when they were little, I definitely did that.

And you know, the thing is, if a child is or a toddler, or even just a kid is screaming or kicking the seats or running up and down the aisles, if the parents are just you know, having cocktails and letting them just be wild, that's crazy.

It's tough.

I don't know.

I think you should try your best.

I'm just gonna see shoud try your best.

Put your kids in first class.

That's ridiculous.

That's ridiculous, very not relatable today.

I'm not I've just been seeing plastic surgery patients who have been registering complaints about one millimeter differences between their brow heights.

So running out of any kind of patience.

This morning, this evening, I was.

On a podcast today with se Cup and Essie is a fantastic, very smart journalist.

I was on her show years ago in CNN and she's also interestingly she's friends with Andy Cohen, so she dips into the Bravo world from now and again.

And I had seen her at Bravo Con and she invited me on her show.

So we were talking today and she was asking me, this is what made me think of it, because you were talking about a millimeter of annoyance.

She was asking me what our retirement plans are?

If we have retirement plans, and what are they?

Does that mean from a financial point of view or just from a social point of.

View, Oh, it was a lifestyle point of view.

It was no what is your plan.

Are you clicking down?

Are you what are you doing?

How?

I told her that we well, oh, she started off by quoting, this was funny.

She quoted my yearbook, my high school yearbook, where my senior quote was, when you lose your dreams, you die.

Oh do you know what that's from?

No Flash Dance.

Oh you're kidding.

Yeah, huh, there's a scene.

I don't remember who said it, but anyway, yeah, it's true.

Okay, right, So we were talking about that, we're talking about dreams and how our dreams have changed.

Whatever.

It's a really good interview, by the way, you should listen to it when it comes out.

But I was saying, you know, it's funny because your dreams change as you get older and as you achieved different levels of success or try things that you didn't know you'd like, or you know, you start going in a different direction, and it's interesting, fascinating whatever.

So I basically said, I don't see us ever retiring.

I see us as we're doing now, sort of pivoting.

It's weird.

I recently, well recently being the last few years, patients will say to me because they really want me to do their surgery, because they have really difficult to repair something.

Rather, they'll go, but when are you going to retire?

That's when you know you just starting to look really old and you should consider plastic surgery.

When somebody's asking you, when are you going to retire?

But I think you know, I say, I say I won't.

I will.

I'm doing now what I plan to do till I'm done on this planet, and that is I do multiple things.

I used to just be a plastic surgery and it was seven days a week and up at four or five am and operate even on Sundays.

Now I do like five or six different things, all of which I enjoy, and I do more on my terms.

And it's funny, you know, all my dreams came true.

So if any one or two, or three or four of the things that I really enjoyed doing all went away, I would be perfectly happy with it.

Not happy, I'd be okay with it.

But my biggest dream, actually I realized, came true, and I realized it six months ago.

One of the dreams I always had.

When I'm not working, I don't want to feel like I'm missing, like I'm doing something wrong, like I'm not contributing and I've stopped.

I stopped feeling that way.

I love that.

That's so good.

So, for example, when I would have a Thursday of two giant surgery cases and then we'd find out at eleven o'clock at night, I'd get a call from the antiseesiologist.

Oh, your first case took an aspirin.

That's cancel because she took an aspen blood thinner.

And your second case.

You know, I was looking at the EKG and there's some st segment changes indicating that maybe she has some cardiac disease that we have to get further work up.

We can put her to sleep, so the whole case goes away.

So I'd have a Thursday entirely off, and you'd feel weird, and I hated it and felt terrible all day.

And now now you give me a Thursday off.

Oh my, I am going to have the greatest day of my life.

I love it.

I still, of course, will have lots of you know, legal stuff to do, or yeah, maybe I'll go do some TikTok.

Things are all just scroll mindlessly like a fifth grader for five hours, which, by the way, I'm convinced older men like me scroll more than even teenagers.

No, it's just you.

Oh, maybe it is me.

I can look I can look at cat videos.

I know he's obsessed with that cat pot.

My favorite thing right now is a Whiskers podcast, which is AI cats talking to each other and showing me this dude cats.

One's an orange cat, one's a black cat, and they look at videos.

They say, oh, let's watch this clip of some cat doing some outrageous thing, and then they bring the cat in and interview him about the video.

It's hilarious.

You showed it to me.

I showed you ever, and I need to tell that I'm the only one who appreciates it.

Literally, no one else seems to enjoy it but me.

What is wrong with everyone?

I don't know, but I'll tell you what I enjoy for you.

So it used to be back in the day.

Now obviously Terry is a plastic surgeon, and so before you had other avenues that you did, like medical, legal and you know, our skincare line and all the other things.

What it was when you just had the one job, not twelve that you have now, When you just had the one job.

We'd go on vacation and Terry was always miserable.

And I get it because if you have a salary, you have a salary job, you get some paid time off perhaps or you know that kind of thing.

But when you are a doctor, or you know, if you're not working, if you have your own business, your self employed, when you go on a vacation, not only are you not making money, you're spending money.

So it's like a double whammy.

Not only that your office overhead is still there, very very high for a plastic surgeon, still there, so spending money, not making it, but your office is still churning along.

It's a big boy through your care.

So you never relaxed on dress.

Now you love it.

Now if you say to me, you know, I booked you out for three weeks, I'd go really awesome.

I wouldn't even question why.

I would just say, I know.

We were just in New York and man, it was cold.

And oh my gosh, it was like colder in New York than it was in the Antarctic.

Isn't that crazy?

I kind of liked it.

I couldn't stand it was like way way to it was crisp.

And then we went to Palm Beach where it was not cold, where it was not cold, it was slightly humid, and I decided that Palm Beach, although beautiful, LA is the best weather in the world.

I wouldn't see it just is the best.

No humidity, very little rain.

It's just I mean, there's a reason why we pay all these taxes.

I think I agreed, there's no place like home.

No, So that was fun.

Yeah.

Are you saying everything that's going on with the Beckhams.

I mean, are we willing to admit that they lived in the building where we lived in?

Well, they don't live here anymore.

They don't know I still no.

Never the kids just saw them coming out of here the other day.

That was like eight months ago, so it.

Was like it was her, the billionaire's daughter, Nicola Nicol Brooklyn.

Yeah, Brooklyn, they lived here for sure, because I saw them all the.

Day that they don't Okay they moved out.

Did you ever acknowledge them when they would walk pume because I don't know them.

Well, I only saw them that one time.

Yeah, but you become a friendly with those major rap stars that work out in our gym downstaira.

Okay, But you know what the story is.

I mean, there was some you know, rumors swirling about some rift between Victoria and Nicola at the wedding when the wedding happened, and then it kind of died down.

And then I thought they were very supportive of each other because Nicola was at Victoria's fashion show and Victoria was Nicola's you know, movie premiere and all that kind of thing.

But I don't know why it just went off the rails, but it went off the rails.

And basically, Brooklyn made all these big statements saying his family wants to look perfect and he's been controlled for years, and she tried to take away the first dance and blah blah blah.

But there's kind of art.

I mean, it's becoming like Baldoni Jake Blake Lively kind of situation.

And then other people are coming out and saying, oh, she used to date so and so, and she's the problem.

She did this to someone else.

They're saying she did it with Anwarhadid, who's Yolanda's gun and Mohammed's son, you know.

And then Andy Cohen came out and said, I stand with Posh.

Okay, so what bumps you the most about this?

I can tell you what bothers me the most time.

I'd like to hear what bothers you?

First of all, why are you litigating your family's issues in the media.

Why are you making any comment at all?

Why are we hearing about this.

You're not on a reality show, You're not on housewives, and it's a storyliner.

You can't avoid it.

Why the heck?

By the way, they're so private anyway, how often you hear about posh and.

Well, this is the question, So, so we should.

Know a thing about them.

Do we know anything about Tom Hanks and Rieta Wilson?

No, do we know anything about We don't know anything.

Why do we know anything?

So?

I think the thing is the Beckhams, if I understand the story, and from what I've seen, the Beckhams really haven't commented on it, and he's not in the photos, and they're just really not commenting on it.

All right, So we know that there were rumors swirlings since the wedding, which was only a couple of years ago.

But I thought they were at each other's things, and then all of a sudden, Brooklyn wasn't at the things, and Nicola wasn't at the things, and then Brooklyn and Nicola got remarried, yes, like a year after they got married, ceremony and all that, huh and with her family only.

Oh, and that was that what started it.

And I think it's just all part of it.

One of them went on Instagram, no social media sitement on the other correct.

Yes, but I'm telling you this is how it was devolving.

Was that they had this you know, second wedding a year or so later, and then there were rumors that you know, they weren't speaking, and you weren't anyway, You're right, the Beckhams are very private.

So Brooklyn then put up this whole like three slide statement saying that Victoria was supposed to make Nichola's dress and canceled in the eleventh hour.

He said that, you know, she took over his first dance that was supposed to be with Nicola, and Nicola went crying from the room.

He said that they've been trying to control him and that they want everything to look perfect.

But then there's the other side of the coin where Nicola did her dress with Valentino and she documented it, I think with Vogue magazine for over a year, the making of her wedding dress.

So how is that not making a dress in the eleventh hour when she documented for over a year the making of her wedding dress.

Then apparently at the ceremony, Mark Anthony was singing and stopped and they were gonna have this song and it was supposed to be for Brooklyn and Nicola, but Mark Anthony said something like a toast to the most beautiful woman in the room and called up Victoria.

How do we know this stuff?

This has been widely accepted as what happened at the wedding, But what this question is?

I mean, but you're assuming that Brooklyn planned that.

Maybe that was just Mark Anthony being a dumbass and saying she's beautiful, not thinking about the bride.

I still think we're getting lost in the weeds here.

The index insult was one of them went on a social media site and put a frame around it and said, here is the thing we're all upset about and fighting about.

That feels they made it for public folly.

He felt it was already being Brooklyn's position is it was already being talked about and commented on without commenting on it, that he wanted to clear it up.

I guess Brooklyn decided to make a big statement.

Okay, well that's the mistake.

Yeah, and I'm sure they went nuclear the parents about the fact that he's now openly discussing it.

All we've seen is it looks like Victoria's like putting flashbacks and then Nicola got a tattoo that in Hebrews says family first.

Okay, I'm not sure I have a.

Problem meaning like her family comes first.

Yeah, is the way it was taken.

I don't know.

If you're talking, if you're fighting with your family out in the open, in the public, you've got issues, right, no one wants to hear it.

Well maybe if people do want to hear that's the problem.

People do want to hear about their family issues, right, But that's on them, you know, and they really need to get wrapped their brains around what they're doing.

We'll stop that.

Beckhams haven't said anything publicly.

They've just sort of kept it vague and they're saying parenting is complicated.

They love their son.

But I promise you Brooklyn would sit here and say, oh, that's what they're doing, that's it.

Maybe Brooklyn spends so much time on social media as I do.

Maybe that's the problem too.

Much time.

Sez trackling is doom scrolling And I don't know anything about them or their relationship, but that's the kind of high profile relationship that no one will be surprised if they win for a few years of marriage, particularly if you're renewing your vowels or you're remarrying yourself.

Why are you doing this?

Well, the point was it was an f you to the Beckhams.

It was you ruined our wedding, so we're going to do it again without you.

That's what that was.

Yes, Wow, too much free time?

What do you think that second wedding cost?

Definitely over a million?

Right?

The dad's a billionaire.

I don't think he cares.

I'm just saying.

And then there's a bunch of texts messages that got leaked between Nikola and her mother and the apparently they had to keep hiring wedding planners because they kept quitting.

And the next messages that got leaked how to get text messages?

I don't know, what do you think?

Linked like they don't get enough tension as it is.

They just you know, there are certain things that need to be kept private.

Well, I agree, and family issues keep them to yourself.

I'll let you're on a reality show and then have.

That Well, that's the thing.

You're treating your privacy for a platform and for the you know.

In happier news.

I think it's very exciting to say that Katerina just got into the sorority she wanted to.

She just sent us a picture.

You see she's in.

She's so cute.

Yep, are we not naming the sorority.

You're not naming the sorority, but we're very excited for her.

So cute, exactly the one she wanted.

I know she loves the girls.

It was so cute.

They sent little messages to her or they gave her the bid, and they were so specific and sweet and kind.

I have to say, this is another thing I was talking about on this podcast today with Si.

We were talking about how women are so much better now.

I mean, not everyone, but I would say when I look at Kat and Max and their girlfriends, they're so supportive of each other and loving.

What does that tell you that the Real Housewives franchise probably does not have a long future ahead of it.

Women being terrible to each other.

Everyone loves to watch a shit show.

We were at Palm Beach with our friends, you talk about the Bethany and the two.

Richard Marx asked two very interesting questions, what do you think is your best characteristic and what is your worst characteristic?

We do that.

I went, oh, we're playing a housewives game at dinner tonight.

Yeah, it was really good.

And when it came to me my best characteristic, you completely disagreed with me.

And then, shocking to me, later, you said that no one at the table agreed with me either, and I had to bring it up the next.

Night Terry and the kids, and I was laugh at as Terry thinks, by the way, you're such an arcist.

Out of that whole conversation, that's what we're going to talk about that piece.

Terry thinks he's sweet, easy going and shy.

But primarily sweet is my main character.

You wanted to say his best characteristic is that he's sweet.

I'm sweet.

I'm very sweet.

I explain, you can be very sweet, but no one would categorize it like that wouldn't be the You'd say funny smart.

Well, it was the fact that loyal, the knowledge.

The takeaway message that you got from that time was that I think I'm sweet and virtually no one else.

Does correct, and I really enjoyed the backup.

I have to say yes, okay, but we did litigate it the next night with a new couple who joined us.

Mitigated it and they didn't agree either.

I thought it was a defense verdict in my favor, to be honest with you, it was the twelve.

Zero everyone can hit Terry's a.

Minute to liberate.

I will need work.

There you go.