From the time that they pronounced me that was a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I could see people screaming and crying But I didn't realize that was actually my physical body because I was somewhere else The only thing that I could feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt.

I was greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back home again.

Incredibly safe and felt at home.

Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody and a warm welcome to our special guest today, Gary Wimmer.

And you're down in Texas, right Gary?

Correct, Austin, Texas.

Well, it's good to have you here.

I appreciate you reaching out to me.

Can't wait to hear your story.

Before we jump into it and hear about your NDE, Give us an idea of who's Gary.

Tell us a little bit about you.

Well, I'm the third of seven sons, Catholic parents.

I was raised Catholic, altar boy.

I had a lot of interest in God and Christ, but when I went through puberty, I left the Catholic Church.

But I never left my search for God and Christ and truth, you know.

I had six brothers, and I was overwhelmed with interest in things like that.

They were all sports guys or business guys and still are.

good guys, but I was the curious one.

I always wanted to seek the truth.

I wanted to know the truth.

And in 1977, I had a near -death experience that revealed it to me.

I had no idea anybody could go to Infinite Mind or God or whatever you want to call it and come back and talk about it.

And this was before I knew People were having near -death experiences.

I didn't know how to put it into context with anything.

I was 29 1977 I knew what I saw I knew what happened But and I feel like the luckiest person on the planet because I got a trip there and back And that's what this show is all about.

That's why round trip is in our title.

Well in 1977 that was about within a couple of years of the time that the phrase near -death experience was coined by Dr.

Moody, as you know.

So I'm guessing you had no idea what happened to you.

So how did you process it?

Well, it was challenging.

I went through a week of escalating psychic ability that I could not turn off or understand.

I felt these protective monitors, guardian angels, something watching me, something aware.

Didn't see them, could feel them.

After a week of this insane escalating psychic ability that just literally scared the hell out of me.

I've never been so scared in my life.

At the same time, I never felt so enlightened, so protected.

spiritually guided in some way.

I knew I was going somewhere, I didn't know what, but the things I just mentioned were not normal life as a musician.

That changed overnight.

Because all of a sudden, I'm picking up everything about people around me.

Someone said, I'll be over at your place in a while.

I'd look at the clock and jump to 228.

I know that they're going to be walked through that door at 228.

This went on for a solid week.

I could not cut off.

The whole book I wrote of Second Eternity covers a lot of these episodes.

And finally, after the end of a week, I was terrified.

I couldn't take it anymore.

I was racing down Guadalupe Street here in Austin, Texas, crying, scared, terrified, but still mind blown over what I could feel because everybody walked by to pick up everything in their life.

What I couldn't do is turn it off or know why it was happening.

And all of a sudden, in the middle of this incredible panic and fear, I closed my eyes and started praying, and, God, I can't take this help.

I know you're there.

All of a sudden, I felt this incredible warmth immediately.

It's mid -February.

And I look up, and there's this huge light shining down on me.

And I look around, and none of these people who were witnessing me, because I kind of had a circle around me, I was acting rather strange, you know, crying and praying.

And they didn't see the light?

No, and it was amazing to me, and I didn't care.

You guys may see it or not.

So I looked back up, and I turned to do a crystal table about this thick, and the palms of seven grayish, white -robed beings were sitting around the table without any chairs, and their hands were shining this light down on me.

And they said, do you trust us?

And I said, man, I don't know what's been going on.

I've been going through these extremes.

I'm thinking, shh, do you trust us?

They asked that a time or two.

And finally I said, yeah, because I felt protected and warm.

The fear had vanished immediately.

I didn't know what I was trusting them for, but it was better than what I had been going through, you know, the panic button.

And so I said, yeah, long story short, within...

Second or two, I was hit head on by a speeding car.

I saw my body from above the car get tumbled over by the car, hit the damn bumper and the windshield.

And then all of a sudden I'm outside my body and I'm expanding like a balloon.

The surface going out in all directions, not like an arrow, just like a balloon.

I instantly realized, instantly, that's the way souls leave the body.

they go out like a balloon in all directions.

Gary, I'm so sorry to interrupt.

I just want to clarify something that I think I've missed.

Sure.

I thought you were talking about the week after your NDE.

Was this prior to your NDE?

This is leading up to it.

Leading up to it.

Okay.

Thank you for clarifying.

Keep going.

Yeah, it was in the end of January 77, things started happening strange.

And by February 7, 1977, when I actually had the experience and went through ultimate terror and then ultimate joy and thrill and light and seeing these monitors and they're talking to me and I'm freaking out and they finally say do you trust us and I said yeah and like I said I was hit head on by a speeding car and spanning outward and instantly realized that's how souls come in too.

So I had no idea pretty soon thereafter who I was.

It was pure sensation, and it was pure beauty.

It was fearless.

I felt protected, had no idea where I was going, but the ride there was fun.

And I wasn't in time and space, and it was hard to tell the difference between sequentiality and simultaneousness, because that's what we see in time and space.

Things are separated by time and space.

But out there, It's a whole different ballgame.

Well, you mentioned something about the ride there.

What was that all about?

Don't leave anything out.

Tell me, tell me step by step and fill in the details.

That's this expansion I'm going through.

As I expanded, I started seeing planets, the Earth, the whole solar system, galaxies going within me.

Now my body's down there on Guadalupe Street in Austin, Texas, but my psyche, my soul, whatever.

It's expanding.

Then it went through the edge of the universe.

I know that tickles physicist minds, but that's what it felt like.

And when I went through this edge of this universe, I went through a level of consciousness that seemed to define itself as the colors, because it was a level of consciousness that I perceived that we come through and it gives us the ability through our senses our hearing, our thought, our brains, our consciousness to understand who we are and where we came from.

We go through that before we enter into the physical universe, and again, collapsing down to the mother at birth.

Well, I was going the other way.

I broke through the universe, broke through the colors, had no idea who I was.

Pure sensation.

And then I saw, wow, that's the universe I came out of, and there's billions of them.

There's infinite universes and they seem to roll up into a big Tunnel of light that's the best explanation very common term and it felt like that I'm going through this big circling silverish white clouds like a clown in a balloon not aware of who I am pure sensation no fear no doubt and then all of a sudden I come out the other side of this tunnel and I'm in this infinite blue void that I instantly realized as the infinite mind of God.

Completely unbiased.

Either it was here and everything's possible, which is the case, or it wouldn't be here and nothing would exist.

There's no in between.

And the thing that astonished me is the unbiased.

It's not good or bad.

It's infinite creativity.

Humans are biased.

Humans are good or bad.

not nature.

And so as I'm observing this, I feel like I was there for eternity.

That's why I wrote the book, A Second in Eternity, because it went on and on.

I felt like I was getting the whole tour through Infinite Mind and all these possibilities over time and space.

And then all of a sudden, I felt like I was witnessing it instead of being on the merry -go -round.

I'm all of a sudden off of it, witnessing it, and I'm being pulled back to somewhere.

And I go back through this tunnel of light and come out the other side and come through these colors and enter this universe still with no idea who I am, but I felt like, wow, I must have a connection here.

Something's pulling me somewhere.

And the closer I got to this galaxy, this solar system, this planet, the more I felt like I had some connection.

And right before I came back into my body, I saw three series of pictures.

One was about everything we're going through now.

All the chaos, extremes, political.

The other was the other side of this chaos as we get into the age of Aquarius.

Because what we're seeing now is all the holes in the boat so we can fix them.

Hopefully now we're getting the duct tape to fix it.

And that's the second series of pictures where a beautiful life in the future, you know, high -tech, beautiful, mankind's cooled out, no war.

I don't know if that's a dream, but I really think that's where we're headed.

And I don't know if there's a million people on the planet or 25 billion at that time, because every day breaking news affects something.

And people ask me, so what did you see?

Look at breaking news every day.

But the universe is showing us our flaws so we can fix them period period period So we should be grateful that we're seeing the holes in the boat Then I saw my body and jump back into my body leap to my feet The driver was hovering over me terrified.

He just ran into me The car is all banged up people are screaming hard and I jumped to my feet.

I didn't feel it Not even scratch didn't get hurt You looked at the car and I looked at the people's harness.

I just wanted to go home.

I wasn't hurt.

Couldn't deal with it.

This is too heavy.

What I just went through was heaven and back.

And now I got to deal with all this crap.

Wait a minute.

So as soon as I started to walk home, people said, no, stay, man.

The cops, the ambulance, the police, they'll be here in a minute.

They need to clear it up.

And I thought, yeah, I don't want them chasing me through alleys, running through the city.

Like you did something wrong.

Yeah, right, you know, so, okay, I'll wait.

I'll explain it and I'll go home.

Good luck.

When they came, they're looking for a bud -spattered body and there's not one and everybody's pointing to me because I'm over there talking to all these people, asking if they saw these monitors and they just think, man, this guy's completely crazy because what they saw was someone walking down the street, running down the street, crying, screaming, praying, stopping, talking to something that ain't there.

A second later getting hit by a car and then just jumping up like nothing happened because that's basically what they saw and that's basically what happened except for where I went.

They couldn't see that.

I've got a bunch of questions before we move on.

Sure, man.

Thank you.

That was a good explanation.

Where to start?

You talked about this infinite blue void that you felt like was God or being with God.

What did it feel like?

What did it look like?

It looked like infinite blue sky.

In other words, one color, one tone, one infinity, one infinite mind.

But every molecule in that blue sky was a different possibility.

A planet, a galaxy, a person, a cricket.

I didn't know how to break it all up, but I could see that there was infinite possibilities.

One might think, yeah, some manifest and some don't.

Well, that's probably true in one way of looking at it.

But everything that ever happens, everything that manifests is nothing more than infinite mind seeing itself in different ways.

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I mean we really are part of infinite mind seeing itself and that's why there's a physical place.

Infinite mind thought well let's go stir up some stuff.

I mean I'm over simplifying it.

Chicken, eggs, what preceded what first, well that's the sequential.

Infinite mind has always been here, always was.

Maybe this universe is only 13 billion years old but souls aren't.

Consciousness, it always existed.

It's just now we're in this galaxy, in this planet, in this universe.

At that point, what makes you feel like you were with God?

Everything.

Were there emotions attached?

Fear, happiness, joy, anything?

Oh, ecstasy beyond comprehension.

Beyond what the body and brain can absorb.

That's why people who have NDEs leave their body and their brain back on the planet.

Because it can't handle that it can't process it your soul can your higher consciousness can and when you come back each kind of can put it together as most people do with any Intense experience in their life good bad or ugly But yeah, it was a beautiful beautiful beautiful You said that you learned about who we are and where we came from.

Can you expound on that?

Yeah, it's like every creation is again nothing more than infinite mind seeing itself.

An infinite mind created all these souls, created this universe.

In fact, our souls, your soul, my soul, all these souls that come here helped co -create this universe.

We're not just participants after it got formed.

Our consciousness helped make this planet be where it is.

Probably several other planets throughout the galaxies I believe there's life in a lot of places.

They ain't like ours.

Who says it couldn't be mercury based instead of carbon based?

I mean, it may sound strange, but maybe they're pressure and chemistry.

Who knows?

There's so many possibilities, but they all manifest by infinite mind seeing itself, you, me, and so forth.

We also get to experience individuality and choice.

So we don't...

feel imprisoned by infinite mind, we're not a puppet where we're given free will, the most beautiful gift souls come here with, because we get to decide how we see everything and interpret everything, including our situation at all times.

Let's talk about free will for a minute.

This is something that personally I feel like is just one of those eternal laws of the universe, okay?

It just like gravity or like God or like whatever terms we want to use.

Free will is at the center of so much of what happens.

A lot of people just don't understand this.

Tell me a little bit more about what you learned about free will.

Why did you just bring that up?

I think free will really occurred to me in its empowerment after my near -death experience.

I was a musician.

I started playing guitar way before The Beatles came out in 1963.

Never thought I'd be a professional musician.

Conscience objector in college after Vietnam War.

I didn't want to serve.

I served as a conscience objector and then started playing music.

It was all defense work.

I didn't want to work in the defense industry.

Can you refresh me on your question?

It's about free will.

Oh, free will, yeah.

Yeah.

I realized at that time when I saw Infinite Mind, and especially when I came back as a limited package dual human being, we all have limitations, that's a big separation between being part of Infinite Mind, seeing it, witnessing it, however you want to define it, however I choose to define it, the essence of it, with no separation and infinite creativity, and then being back as human.

but pimples and BOs and limited.

So free will to me is the beautiful gift of the universe to us because we may not be able to change our situation, our genes, history, blah, blah, blah, billions of things.

But free will always allows us to change the way we look at ourselves or the situation or anything because we get to choose how we look at it.

And if you don't know that, eventually you discover it some time or another through some lifetime.

It's inevitable.

It's inevitable.

So yeah, free will gives us the ability, should we choose to use it, to realize, okay, I can't change anything up to this second, so don't drive myself crazy.

Number one.

Number two.

I'm going to use free will to see how to get the most mileage out of this particular situation right here, right now.

And worrying and doubting and being frustrated and looking for a complaint department and topping out, they ain't going to solve that problem.

The only way to really solve that problem is free will.

Yeah, I'll tackle it.

And part of that is free will to make your own choices, your own behavior, as well as how you feel like you were just talking about.

How does that apply to as you put it the universe?

Because I have a lot of people on the show that well from all walks of life from all religions and no religions This doesn't come up all that often, but I think it's such an interesting topic It's not talked about for example a lot in scripture And so a lot of people just don't know what to make of it.

You've been out of the body to this other sphere Give us an idea of how does it apply there?

What do we have choices about?

The most important thing how we see ourselves life this moment That's the most important thing and that's the best use of free will because everything we can't change Everything up to this second and we're not sure what's happening in five minutes.

We may have the best of plans But we only live in the here and now so if we start exercising free will to be empowered here and now Just like if you practice golf enough, you become a good golfer.

Now if you want to be a golfer and never go practice, you just have a fantasy, a hope, and that's fine and dandy, but there's a difference between wishing you were a golfer and learning how to swing the club.

Free will allows us to re -adapt, to continue to grow, to learn, to put everything in a winning learning scenario, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

We can learn off the home runs.

We can learn off the strikeouts.

We can learn off our mistakes.

We can learn off hitting the target.

And we can learn from missing the target how to recalibrate.

And I learned, because I went through so much depression.

I'm bipolar.

I've felt that since I was a young teenager.

Finally was clarified in psychiatric hospitals.

But from 1977 forward, I started learning to be the happiest person on the planet.

Because I recognize free will.

Well, I get to look at things anyway, and why shouldn't I?

I just saw infinite mind.

It can look at everything any way it wants to.

Why shouldn't I tap into that freedom and creativity?

Why should I carry this burden of guilt and shame and iniquity?

Why should anybody?

And we do it because we don't think about letting go, turning on, meditating, asking the universe to help us.

You have to ask the universe.

to help you.

You have to ask your guides.

They know the rule.

They do not have the right to come in and just trample all over your free will.

Who are our guides?

Or what are our guides?

I saw a group in 1977 that called themselves the Monitors as I explained, do you trust us, protect me, took me to heaven and back, brought me back unscathed, and nine months later explained to me why.

because I was curious now 10 years ago 12 years ago I started thinking okay because I talked to those guys a lot but they're not around they had a specific duty just like everything in this planet goes from amoeba to to us and different duties and responsibilities and characteristics there's just that much on the other side too if not more it's just not separated and defined as clearly as it is in time and space But the essence of everything's on that side, too.

So yeah, free will allows you to readapt, relearn, change your structure, change the way you look at the situation, because that's always where power is.

It ain't the situation.

It's how you look at it.

And I learned going through so much depression, and it was intense, to love myself and to make the best deal out of myself I can.

As a musician, I had a crappy voice.

I knew I'd never get a record deal.

I just didn't want to be an expendable sideman.

And I asked my guide to help me.

And long story short, in 1980, I started teaching myself piano.

I was off the road.

Spent four or five years banging on the piano 12 hours a day.

Talked my way into some piano bars about 84, 85.

Not that good of a singer, not that good of a player.

But as you can tell, Eric, I can talk.

I became a good entertainer.

And for the rest of my life, I played solo.

It's what you can do.

That's my point.

It's what you can do.

That's free will.

Cool.

All right.

I want to talk more about the accident itself.

Okay.

Were you in the street?

Were you in a crosswalk?

Where did you get hit?

I was pacing down a sidewalk and there were some cars there and some empty parking spots.

And to be honest with you, I raced into the street for reasons that would be too complicated to understand and the car was there and it hit me.

Okay.

And I felt from the second it hit me, I felt outside my body so I never felt the impact, never felt pain and never even got a scratch.

They couldn't even keep me at the hospital, emergency room, couldn't keep me there.

I've had other people talk about that even if they did get hurt.

Some people that were in horrible car accidents, for example, car flew off a cliff, someone's telling me about this, and they felt like they left their body prior to the car smashing into what was below the cliff, right?

Then their body hit, physically died, were brought back, you know, through doctors and everything else.

So it kind of sounds like your situation was the same way.

Only you were also spared the pain of all the physical hurt.

None.

Didn't feel a thing.

It's amazing.

Oh, they couldn't.

Doctors, medics, my family, police, ambulance.

They're all wondering, how the hell are you standing up, man?

That car smashed it.

Shit, you know, excuse my French, but it was.

And that was not an issue to me.

Not at all.

and they couldn't understand every time they'd ask me, what happened?

And I tried to explain where I just went, and the week prior, they didn't want to hear it.

Made no sense, and I could understand.

No, and even worse back then.

They knew less about it back then than they know now.

How did this whole thing change your life?

You went from 20 -year -old Gary that was doing who knows what what you do the next day how did this affect you well i was uh in jail the next day actually they uh took the emergency room they couldn't keep me i wasn't hurt they sent a guy in who was a psychiatrist knew all about him i said man can i go home nope we can't let you go they had to get an order of protective custody it took two days for my brother to sign meanwhile they took me to jail They stuck me in jail and all the other prisoners in different cells.

I couldn't quite see them.

Asking me how I got here, what I did.

And I said, man, I just jumped past time and space into infinite mind and came back and I was hit by a speeding car.

I didn't feel it.

What?

What law were you accused of breaking?

Assault.

Because when I pushed the driver back, he kept trying to hold me.

you're hurt man you're in shock and just get away you don't know what i just went through so i tried to push him away a little bit and he stumbled down and fell down and then i tried to help him back up i planned to kind of hug him and kiss him and i think i did like jesus that blew his mind and he's the driver of the car and he hit me so he filed charges to cover his But I didn't even know about these charges until I was at the hospital and cops came in.

They told me about this.

He's filing charges against you.

And when they released me from the hospital, they took me to jail.

Assault and public lunacy.

They can actually arrest people on public lunacy charges, I guess.

I didn't give a damn.

I didn't care.

I've been to heaven whatever you guys got to do, you know call my friend my brother put me in Just put me in a cell by myself, please.

I don't want to deal with anybody And like I said when I was in jail, I was talking to jailers about their cases and their law.

They how do you know that?

I knew everything right then and then another Policeman from the jail came up and looked in myself said you are not a lawyer You cannot give these people legal advice.

You either shut up or we're gonna put you in Solitary confinement and that didn't sound like fun.

So I shut up which was kind of relief Really because I'd have talked all night.

I can talk as you can tell Okay, so you got out of jail Then what you had had a lot of depression before?

Well, they took me from jail to a psychiatric hospital and you were there for a while About ten days.

Yeah.

Okay, then what then I got released And after 10 days, they take you before a board of psychiatrists and nurses that worked on your floor and see if you're okay and whether they should seek another 10 -day mandatory commitment, because that's what the court ruled, or let me go.

And I told all the psychiatrists, I ain't changed my story.

This is what happened.

You people, psychiatrists, you're doctors.

You ought to be studying this.

Look at your name, psychiatrist, you know.

I had a psychic experience.

And they do now.

But I don't need those details.

I'm curious, how did your life change over the next few months and years?

What was different about Gary than before?

It took me a while to get back on my feet.

I didn't discuss this with anybody other than the few people who knew, family, roommates.

It was too overwhelming.

And over time, I started understanding more, and I think I mentioned a while ago, this happened in February of 1977.

In the fall of 77, the monitors reappeared.

I didn't see them.

I felt them.

They told me that I had this experience because of curiosity.

So it started changing from then.

I had this feeling of being the luckiest person on the planet, because I know these folks exist.

I know HireMind exists.

I know we have a connection to it.

And that to me is the most important thing in life because that's where all our power is.

You know, it's in our mind, our heart, our intentions, our spirit.

So it changed my life in terms of confidence, in terms of flexibility, creativity.

I've conquered depression.

You know, I'm the happiest person on the planet and I went through hell and I was bipolar.

Still am.

But it just doesn't bother me anymore.

I just look at everything from how much I can learn and benefit rather than how much it can freak me out.

Why go there?

That's free will.

You also mentioned to me earlier that you gained some insight into what's going on in the world and the future of the world.

Would you like to expound on that for a minute?

Yeah, I just wrote a short paragraph about it in my book because, as I was telling you, these series of pictures I saw, When I came back into my body, I think I mentioned that, correct?

Yeah.

The first series of pictures was what's going on now.

I saw 9 -11 and COVID -19, these fractured societies and people screaming in revolution.

But somewhere in there, and especially due to the next series of pictures, which are showing where mankind can and hopefully will evolve toward, we're just going through the changing of the seasons, changing the guard.

Our systems are breaking so we can fix them.

personally, spiritually, mentally, physically, you know, globally, politically, financially, everything's in transition now.

It's not that we're bad people, but we got to update.

Life seems to have a way of kind of just slapping us into it one way or another.

That's why we're going through these extremes.

It's not in vain.

There's a purpose to it.

And yet whenever you go through some extremes, extremes can be life and death, transformation, but also revolution, a 180.

So I firmly believe that what we are seeing now is sort of the cleansing, the education, the showing us the holes in the boat.

But we get to choose by free will, whether to pay attention and heed the call and benefit and grow and evolve and learn, or to do none of the above and look for a complaint department and feel like life's picking on you.

There's not a whole lot of neutral.

That's what I believe.

Interesting insights.

Is there any more you can tell us about what you saw about the future of mankind?

It's hard for me to predict the specifics because a lot of times I realize things I'd seen when I see them on TV.

Kind of a deja vu sort of thing.

Yeah, but really I saw 9 -11 in 77 but in 2001 I was over in Europe again.

I lived over in the 90s.

I was on a boat cruise.

and a guy from Sweden said, man, I was playing there.

He said, I think the US towers just got hit.

I ran down to the basement to the crew TV and looked in when a second plane went through.

I looked around and these people in these blue uniforms on a Scandinavian SDFS cruise ship.

I'd seen that exact same picture with those people.

In 1977, I had no idea who it was and all of a sudden it's right before my eyes.

I've seen several things like that, sort of verifying the lot of what I saw would come true.

And even when the monitors came back to tell me why I had my experience and explained to me amount of my curiosity, they said, you will see a lot of what you've seen in this lifetime.

In my life, I'm 78 now, so I don't know if I got another month or another decade.

Another decade, I'm not sure about.

Or a couple of decades, it can happen.

A couple of decades.

Who knows?

I might be the only guy to live to be 138.

Why not?

I don't have any idea when I'm going to pass away.

I don't care about it because on the other side, I know it's beautiful.

And I have a theory if I'm...

If it kills me, I'm in heaven, no problem.

If I'm still here, regardless of the situation and my condition, I can still grow, evolve, and learn.

Period.

That's free will.

That's empowerment.

No matter what the situations are.

And so I encourage people to think that way.

Give yourself the benefit of being who you are in the situation of who you are.

Not the detriment, not the fear, not the doubt.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

Love yourself, meditate, ask the universe to help you, and then don't be surprised if it does.

That's a great wrap up and summary, Gary.

Thank you.

If anybody wants to reach out, I'll put your website down on the show notes so that they can find you.

But Gary Wimmer, appreciate you being with me today.

My honor, thank you for your time and space.

And to all you folks, stay empowered, believe, think outside the box, get a bunch of home runs.

Why not?

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