What's up, everybody?

Welcome to a brand new episode of Spilled the t Kila and man have you all joined for a heck of an episode today.

We got a lot to get into after taking last week off on because of me and comic con scheduling all as we couldn't make it work overall, So my apologies to all of this is not on winsions my scheduling issues.

I'm dumb sometimes, but we are back back here to have some fun conversations.

I am John Roka, joined as always by the King of Swag himself.

Win's to day, Marshall Alreay.

Win's done.

You already knew.

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

It's been a rough couple of weeks, but I'm doing all right right now, and my girl cam is coming back today.

I'm excited.

We we the Sparks are taking on the Aces so I get to watch last year's number two draft pick try and get that dub.

Yeah and yeah yeah man.

Yeah.

I've been patiently waiting.

I've also been sadly just crying in my pillows very softly, every time a new thing comes about out about Luca and his workout.

Regimen and how how he's hitting half court shots for fun.

Like it's I I see somebody in the chat Mike Joyce just asked me how my dad is.

Thank you for asking.

As of right now, he seems to be doing fine.

We have our own level of my sister and I of needing to talk to him about his three cigars a day habit that he's picked up in the last year or two.

Didn't know he was smoking that many cigars.

But I say all that to say I found out while I was down there.

I think I said this the last time I did spill a tequila.

That he's apparently like golf and poker buddies with goddamn Nico Harrison.

So I've never seen this article come out for men's health.

I'm like, I need you to turn in your badge, Like turn in your gun and your badge right now.

You're off the force, all right, You're done?

Bro, Like, oh God, the way he looks.

Are you upset with the way he's in shape?

I mean, he's don't you.

Set with him being healthy and becoming a killer.

I'm pissed off because it furthers my whole argument of because one of the arguments that was made about like what we had to do because no matter what we said to him, he wouldn't get into shape.

And I was like, okay, So then there's one of two things going on here.

Either you really aren't good enough at what you need to do or don't have the right people around to will him one way or the other.

Or because you gave up on him and treated him the way you did, you actually woke a giant and now he's going to embarrass you like that is what I'm reading off of this.

To be honest with you, I feel like Luca is about to just make the league his bitch, like without without effort at this point, because you put all the effort in this summer, so's.

Not to Let's take a look at this.

Look at those Look there's no stomach.

I wish I look like this.

I've lost I can't look like this.

He looks fantastic.

Look at him.

God, man, AALL's there.

The man's got it going on here.

Let's let's take a look at that shots.

Where is it?

There?

He is doing little steps?

Come on with yees?

I mean this is Look, there is there is a point at which, yes, you can lead a horse to water.

You can't make him drink.

But I'm saying the best motivation they could do for Luca was to just say we we wash ourselves of you, and and literally what they did.

Because it's funny.

The thing that Nego kept quoting is like I used to work with Kobe.

He's no Kobe.

No no, no, no, no, no no.

This is a different version of Kobe.

You just you have to understand Luca has always and and the fact that Nico has worked with him, he should have known this.

Luca has always functioned off of the idea of getting petty revenge.

That is why you need proof of that.

Look at the photo of him next to Devin Booker after Devin Booker talked that shit and then he went in game seven put up like photy on him and was winning a game seven and was like you mad.

He he thrives off petty.

This is one thousand percent my ex broke up with me.

I'm gonna show this motherfucker who's boss.

That's that's that's what this is, and it's going to be horrible for me.

I think it's I also think it's because the Lakers have made it clear to him remember there was that off season meeting that was reported on a couple of weeks ago, like they are building the team around him, and I think that's that's what's made clear to him earlier in the summer, like, look, look, we know Lebron's still on the team, but you're still you're our guy.

We're gonna go forward with you, so but we want you to convey that leadership quality.

What better way that.

With you?

So I think that's what you see there.

I think that's what you see there with what he's doing.

So I love it.

I think it's great.

Well, real quick, somebody said I need to see Nico's reaction to this article.

I will show you this.

This is his reaction right here.

Okay, just that.

Look that just like that's a thousand percent right there.

That is a thousand percent how he feels about this.

And it's infuriating because it really just reads like he just doesn't know what he's doing.

It's funny, Like I said, I got in a big argument not with Nico directly, but with his homeboys, who were also my dad's friend.

And they give me all these reasons why is this that and the other, And there were just so many things they left out.

I don't know if that's because they're not somebody working in the field and they're just going by what their friend is telling them, because they clearly don't know a lot about sports.

In my opinion, based off of some of the stuff they said, including like, yo, Anthony Davis played just as many games.

He wasn't as hurt as you thought.

How are you gonna call him injury prone?

We had an injury on one thing, but then he had an injury on another.

One of those dudes was a doctor, and I was like, are you are you serious right now?

Like I was like, you do know that there was a correlation that like that, or at least a causation.

But there's a correlation that's been coming up between people with calf injuries and if they try and play through them instead of arresting them, they tear their achilles.

It's been going on for a while, but we noticed it at first with Kobe who had that a kid that that calf injury kept playing eventually towards the kids, and then we kept watching it.

We watched it with Kevin Durant, We watched with Klay Thompson.

This postseason, we just watched it and Dame.

We watched it in terse Aliburton in the finals.

We watched it in who Uh Tatum Tatum went down and out.

We watched it happen in the NFL with Aaron Rodgers.

He had that little soft calf injury and then have four plays in all of a sudden, there goes his achilles.

So I was like, y'all, dumb bro, Like, I'm not gonna be disrespectful because I'm in my dad's house.

I'm not gonna get smacked in the mouth.

It's thirty seven years old talking about who you talking to like that.

But I am also not gonna let them get away with this.

Yeah, you're calling them out, You're calling them out.

So yeah, so yeah, I saw the pictures and I buy this transformation much more than I buy Sasha Baron Cohen's transformation.

Hello hgh.

But I I totally what Luca is doing it.

I cannot you don't look like that at fifty three years old without going to that marvel gym of hgh.

Well, but it doesn't have to be HGH.

It could just be the marvel gym of here's a billion dollars to get you in the shape we want you in.

That's the thing.

When they are paying you millions and they're paying all of the best people in the world.

I can kind of believe it though, because like the workouts you're doing, like the workouts Christian is doing, and I know you guys are like around that same age as Sasha Bear Cohen that you're doing it off of your budget, to the best of your ability.

So you may have a trainer and you may have a nutritionists, but they're not the Disney.

I get paid ten million on retainer nutritionists.

I get eight ten million retainer trainer.

You know what I mean.

I don't know.

I'm just you can only eat so much chicken and broccoli and look like that.

I'm just I mean, you're right, you can't all lead so much chicken and broccoli and he clearly ate a lot.

Of it or I don't know, yeah, maybe anyway, but yeah, we are gonna be getting into some some subjects here today, some interesting, rough, rough and ready subjects, some rumble and tumble subjects for sure.

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We got to talk about this story.

This broke a few days ago, but we're just getting around to it to talk about it together.

Five Kevin Figi, Marvel's big wig there at a recent roundtable event, discussed a lot of things around the Marvel Cinematic universe.

None of them, according to Kevin Figgi, you have anything to do with any decisions anybody has made at the top in terms of quality, in terms of output, and none of it's all because they have overwhelmed the audience.

And one of the most recent comments or one of the comments that he made here that has got people really angry over the last few days.

Recently is talking about Brave New World, and he said the reason that Brave New World struggled was not because it had a bad script, not because it wasn't that well directed, not because they did multiple reshoots and changed a lot of things around with the Leader and with Red Hulk.

No, it was because it was the first film, first Captain America film without Chris Evans.

That's exactly what he said to a room full of journalists about the failure of or the low box office of in America.

Brave New World.

Man, I'll tell you this, with this infuriated me on so many levels.

Own up to your shit.

You're a grown ass man.

Own up to your shit.

And if you're gonna be out here, talk to me about diversity, and then you're gonna jump into the fray by delivering a line like this and essentially saying, well, it was the first one without our big white guy, so we went with a black guy and that's why it didn't do it.

To me, the optics of it, the ignorance of it, is just mind blowing.

And this can't feel good.

Anthony Mackie's still shooting scenes right now.

What are your thoughts on this and the controversy around it, Winston.

I haven't really ever been mad at Figy.

I'm like genuinely mad about this because that is a bold face lie.

You could like you could like you could have easily just said you know, I feel like we missed the mark if you had said, you know, I think not having Chris around probably didn't help.

Ye, I'm not putting it on that.

I mean we we did have a lot of changes, the strike happened, all of that stuff, like, let let's go through it, because you broke a lot of it down.

First of all, I don't think the plot of the movie was that good, if we're just being honest, It just it was very It felt very we have to find a way to start this conversation of how the world is a brave new world, how it's like changing and whatnot.

So we're gonna do that.

You decided when when a little bit of controversy started to dust up about an Israeli superhero being in the movie, instead of going full tilt with the superhero or pulling her out entirely and deciding we're not gonna do you kind of went half and half and still sort of did it, So you played it super safe, and that's the whole thing.

It's like, I'm not encouraging people to go be grifters or nothing else like that, but there is something to be said about the people that have a tendency to do the best in general are going to piss some people off.

So whether you're on the right side of his or the wrong side of history, the people that end up finding that audience, they just go full tilt.

They don't they don't half ass one way or the other.

You tend to make more enemies when you half ass shit.

You told us way too much about Red Hulk before it even happened.

Even if we could have could have guessed it was coming.

By the nature of deciding to show us all the Red Hulk stuff and know the whole movie it was coming, you ruin what could have been a kind of an interesting surprise that this was going on the whole time, and then wanted to have like little bits like you don't know what I've been doing him, he's slowly been behaving.

It's like, well, yeah, we know, we've seen the trailers, we saw the movie poster.

Of course, he's the Red Hulk, like it's one of those things that, look, what did you think that was a surprise?

So why would you write it as such?

You know what I'm saying.

Why not do it in a way where it's like, you know what, Ross did it to himself.

He's tired of chasing after the Hulk, so he did it, which happens in a number of iterations where he decides he wants to do it to himself.

Put all of that with the clearly there was some other plot that was there that you kind of again because the rewrits kind of shifted, you know.

Loved Danie Ramirez as an actor.

Loved the fact that he over here with Jessica al but good for you, brother man, like.

Damn baby, I guess yeah, yeah.

Hey bro, she bad in the mugg.

She could have whoever she wants, and if she wants her Falcon, she can't have some shop.

That's true.

She puts some wings on that.

Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.

But I say that to say I didn't like how the character has gone.

Actually enjoyed him and Falcon Winter Soldier.

I did not like him in this movie.

I don't think Anthony Mackie got to star in his own movie.

We spent more time worried about Red Hulk than we did about what Captain America things and feels and things that are going on.

So like, there are a bunch of reasons why this movie did not go over well and wasn't good, and it had nothing to do with Anthony Mackie.

And like, again, if.

You want to say the lack of Chris didn't help, I'll agree with you, just because Chris's box office and that the character's been around for a while.

But that is not the reason this movie failed.

That is so grossly offensive.

In my opinion, I agree, and I agree.

Look and normally I don't you know, normally I call stuff out whatever, But like there is calling out and then there's calling out and pissing me off, and I agree, same thing to me.

I'm with you, Winston.

I was mad when I saw this because it's such a tossed off comment and he probably didn't think it was anything to say it this way, and he thought he was trying to probably speak to what the fans thought.

Well, I'm speaking for the fans.

We didn't get Chris Evans back, and clearly he's a big part of Captain America.

People caught up.

It's a way of skirting the responsibility that you were behind this movie and all the things and all the decisions that were made, all the story changes, you were behind it.

And this is just Malcolm Spelman is you were behind it as well making these changes.

I agree with you one hundred percent.

The Red Hulk situation.

They changed the movie so it was about Red Hulk with Captain America happening to be happened to be in it.

He happened to be in it.

And that's the thing when you look at it.

It wasn't about his journey.

It wasn't about they really like being a black superhero, being Captain America.

All of that is teased in the Falcon and Winter Soldier show, but they don't really pursue as much of as you would like to have it pursued in the movie.

And it's a mishmash.

And that has nothing to do with Anthony Mackie.

He's just the actor.

He didn't write the script and direct the movie.

He didn't make the casting decisions.

He didn't you know, he didn't make all these changes to the story.

And I will say this, it's also another way for Kevin Faige to cover their own stupid decisions to roll out Anthony Mackie's Captain America in a TV series, a Disney Plus TV series with way less eyes on that than if they'd done it theatrically and I get it, COVID and all of that.

I totally understand they needed to do something, they needed to put content out there.

That's fine, but don't make him Captain America by the end of the movie.

Have it be a thing that's a journey, and then when he comes into the movie maybe or sorry at the end of the series, maybe comes into the movie, or don't even do the series, which you had to truncate anyway.

So there was a lot of things where Anthony Mackie was snake bit through the entire rollout of this thing from endgame on that did him no favors.

So for you, as the big wig, the top guy at Marvel to be like, well, we didn't have Chris Evans in it, that's why it didn't do well.

It's such a slap in the face to a man who's been working hard to dealing with the dealing with the errors, dealing with the unfreseen circumstances, dealing with all the bullshit just to be able to deliver a good performance as Captain America, as Anthony manck A as a Falcon.

So yeah, it's tough.

And I think the thing about it that I am not giving him a pass on this, But if I had to guess as to part of what was going on as well, I gotta guess that because you're in the middle of a movie live in theaters, you don't want to necessarily like if the argument he was a thing to make is, you know, part of the problem is that there are a lot of like emboldened racists out there right now, and they're not going to accept a black Captain America.

If that, if that is what you're attempting to say, right, it sounds like then you're too scared to actually say that because because you have a movie out right now, you don't want to ruffle any feathers.

You still want those races to go see Fantastic Four.

So like, that's if that is what the the reasoning is for that one way or the other.

But I said this, it's funny we're talking about Nico.

I said this about Nico because even if let's say for a second that Nico under doesn't didn't understand how much the city love Luca Yeah, bedside manner, and how you present yourself and your media training and how you word things, like the specific words you use, especially in this sound bite.

Social media era is a thousand percent a part of your job when you are a public facing figure in charge of something.

So deciding to say this the way that you did it may have been off the cuff and like, oh, please don't take it straight at face value, blah blah blah blah blah, but it Unfortunately, that's your job and you've been doing this for decades now, so you should know that your words have weight period.

I mean, to me, he had a lot of missteps in these interviews.

I mean him saying the actor that played King, he wouldn't name Jonathan Majors by name in the response, And to me, I'm like, well, that's clearly you being coached by pr and legal, so you're clearly aware that you have to present things in a certain way.

There's a better answer where you say, well, there were a lot of missteps and getting that movie out the timing, and we had a better film when we first started out with COVID, all these stops and restarts to reshoots.

Unfortunately, we didn't hit the mark on that one.

And that's got nothing to do with the incredible actors that were in the movie.

They delivered wonderful performances.

We just didn't get it right, and so we'll be thinking about that going forward with Captain America.

There you go, you don't make any allusions to the fact that you know didn't have Steve Row.

You're making it clear that there were some mistakes made and you're going to learn from the mistakes and you're going to do better next time.

Why isn't that a thing?

So to me, it's just frustrating to have the big wig of Marvel just toss off a comment like this without thinking about the implications of it and how it can affect one of your current actors who is going to be leading the Avengers in Doomsday.

So, I mean that to me is just shocking on so many levels.

You know, Yeah, I mean just from the standpoint of, like I think the part that sucks and why I just stand by the fact that you know, Anthony Mackie and you know, Sam Wilson just deserved more is that there are so many good stories that really dive into what it means for Sam to take the mantle, and in comics for years now, it has been one of those things where even when Steve decides he wants to get back into the Fray, when he because originally he let it go because he had lost the Super Soldier serum, so he aged out, and then they found a way to get it back to him, so he did.

But he did not take away the Captain America Mantle, the same way that Spider Man is both Miles Morales and Peter Parker.

You can have both.

It doesn't matter.

Genuinely doesn't matter.

They didn't dive into those yeah yeah yeah, instead yeah no, go ahead, go.

Ahead ahead, fix upo no no no.

Instead instead they did this half ass shit because even if you like what you could have focused on even more, you could have the storyline you were doing again with Isaiah Bradley was so strong, yeah, and you could have redove into this idea of like Jesus America refuses to accept like a black hero like this, like what is going on?

And you could have then had them have to deal with that whole scenario.

Nobody's saying you have to go like, you know, wear your heart on your sleeve type shit have like he's a blacket refew don't save me, but like you don't have to do that.

But I'm saying there is something to be said about not shying away from the fact that, yes, he looks different and if some people are handling that differently.

And you started to address that a little bit in Falcony Winter Soldier, the fact that he saved the world from Thanos and they won't give my man a bank loan, like he's the homies, Like even though Stark is dead, he's still homies with all the people with the money.

You can't you can't say that I'm not good for it, Like are you kidding me?

That?

Diving into more of that, And it doesn't have to be the central point, but it's enough to let Sam kind of move from what it would have been infinitely more interesting than this shit that we got and that was again kind of half asked and more of a Red Hulk movie than it was a Captain America movie.

Yeah, And that's what's frustrating to me when you look at it, because if you break it all down, Disney should not and Marvel should not tackle these subjects if they're not going to really tackle them.

Don't talk about racism, don't talk about sexism, don't talk about any socio political shit.

That for broad generalizations, because you clearly aren't willing to actually investigate the issue.

Look at and or second season of and Or.

So much was explored there about colonization, about empires, about countries that are countries that are essentially the planets that are being taken over and forced to and indoctrinated to believe a certain thing about themselves or about how the way the world works.

That was really brave storytelling that dove into the issue in a way that twenty twenty five audiences were much more politically aware than maybe at any point in our country's history about issues and socio political issues, whether they think they're valid or not.

They're much more educated about this stuff.

So you've got to present material that is going to be at that level.

And if you're not going to present it, don't even fucking do it.

No one needs the lifetime version of racism.

No one fucking needs a lifetime version of sexism.

No one doesn't, especially when you've got a massive platform like Marvel.

To mess this up consistently is goddamn frustrating, and it just seems to involve majority of it seems to involve a majority of the time around the Anthony Mackie being a black Captain America situation.

Happened in with Winter Soldier, it happened in this movie, and so it's just frustrating to see that kind of stuff because it's unnecessary.

And if they've just done a better job rolling out Sam's Captain America and leaned into the things that they touched on on Falcon and Winter Soldier, I think we would have had much more respect for the movie.

It could have stood artistically for something like Thunderbolts has, like Superman has, like Fantastic Fours, Like there's an artistic nature to some of that stuff, but they're exploring that means more.

And so yeah, I just think this is where they messed up.

Yeah, I completely and and like you just I guess, I guess that's the thing.

Can you imagine, like you had a scenario where like, okay, he's fully taken on the Mantle now, but now whoever his handler is through the government, It's like you ain't, no, you ain't no cat like like, you know, he's not a good old and it's all subtle.

It's all just like just dog whistle shit and whatever, and then the like you don't ever need to maybe you do eventually address it in not so many words, but then something happens where Sam proves all of a sudden, and then this dude has to back down.

I've seen that happen in like our long you know dramas like Swat.

There was an episode of Swat where it's like, how are you a sergeant?

And then all of a sudden, I got saved.

You're like, I guess you're not so bad.

It's like that problem is that you think it's I'm one of the good ones instead of no, I'm a person and I do my job and you're caught in this bullshit.

Even that would have been something infinitely more interesting than I was kind of wrong and so I'll screw you r So I'm just gonna you kind of ruined me.

So now I'm the Kurmit leader coming pat Ma Hooms like just fucking like I just it's it's it's just very frustrating because what that, whether that was intended or not, Yeah, what that kind of reads is this idea of like you were saying earlier, how are you going to in the same breath champion diversity.

Yes, then when you get an opportunity to defend diversity you kind of throw it under the bus.

Yeah.

It's just mind blowing to me, and it speaks to the fact that this is corporate culture.

They're afraid of everything unless it's unless it's being accepted.

Right.

The same corporations who were putting black squares on their social media four or five years ago to support BLM now are trying to remove people of color and women and black people from being the leads in their stuff.

They're canceling their shows all over the place.

Now they're shutting down all the diversity offices.

The same corporations that we're doing that shit, and everyone thought, wow, we've turned a page.

They're really standing up.

No, they thought this is the way the wind was blowing.

They need to make their money, so they're going to pretend to care about diversity and pretend to care about these issues.

And the second the wind blows the other way, Oh boy, no, no, you know it's okay, we're gonna you know what, We're gonna cast an old white man to who's Harrison Ford, who everybody loves.

We're gonna put him and make him the lead of the Captain America movie that's supposed to be about Black Captain America.

Like that is not an accident.

William Hurt's death almost opened the door for them to change this film completely around and be like, no, let's focus on Harrison Ford.

He's gonna sell tickets because the anti woke people and the people to hate black people in the leads of things are gonna now maybe see the movie, and they weren't going to when it was just gonna be Black Captain America and look at you know, you can blame the anti woke YouTubers all you want, the racist YouTubers from making all their money pushing that shit.

That's fine.

The fact that they listen, that's the problem.

That these people are listening to this crap.

That's the problem.

Yeah, I just it's it's just one of those things that it's like, yeah, I think the funny thing people love like on on you know, on that kind of grif side of shit to be like yo, go woke, go broke.

And it's been proven time and again that that's a nonsensical statement because quote unquote Superman is woke and it just crossed five HUNDERO.

You know what I'm saying, Like, there's plenty of examples where the quote unquote go woke, go broke is trash.

What people want is authenticity.

So again, if you're gonna go for it, then go for it.

I think that is that is ultimately the problem is that I think because this was the last part of the Chpek kind of we overdid it regime where I he's not gonna throw cha pick under the bus.

That's not gonna go over well.

But I think that that is a situation of I think that's a situation of just you were putting out bad product and this was the last of the bad product here, and you tried to savage it, salvage it, and you kind of couldn't.

Because even if Thunderbolts didn't take off, everyone pretty universally agrees that it's a very good movie, and that the reason that it just didn't hit, I would argue, was just you can go with a less known group of characters like a guardian's when you're in the middle of Dude, we just put out Winter Soldier you just put on Iron Man three, which crossed a billion.

We just put out like all this stuff and that this thing is rolling.

MCU was not rolling right now, so it was kind of weird to try and be like, it's just Marvel trust us, because people don't trust Marvel right now.

So like, that's that is why Thunderbolts didn't do well.

And I would argue when we come back to this later, like a year from now, and and you know, Thunderbolts I think drops on digital pretty soon.

Here, the number of people that are probably gonna be all over Twitter whatnot?

Shit, Why didn't I see this Thunderbolt shit?

That was good as hell?

Yeah, you're right, it happens every time.

I'm a Marveled.

Even the Captain Erica Brave New World I think was number one for the week it dropped in terms of viewership.

It was number one the week that it dropped in theaters two.

But all it took was people to go this isn't very good, to stop going.

I just still can't get over people trying to be like you a coon for saying that it's bad.

No.

I am a person who can have very clear, objective conversations about how it wasn't a good movie.

Yeah, that's the thing.

If it's a good movie, everything else is irrelevant.

And even if it doesn't do great at the box office, it'll have a kind of following and a support from people that will encourage people to find it again down the road when it goes on digital or whatever.

So you kind of focus on the quality, I think too much.

Kevin was making excuses all through this interview, a tour that he did here before Fantastic Four.

It came out all kinds of excuses for Marvel, but none of them took responsibility.

And it's just so frustrated to see that because it sets a bad example to other creators, to other people who are executive producers of a franchise or a brand, to just be like, no, no, it wasn't us.

It was you know, we didn't put the right people in it, and we should have done this, We should have done that, instead of saying like, no, man, we made some bad mistakes here, We made some missteps.

We need to look at ourselves a little bit harder and do better next time to satisfy there's nothing wrong with that.

Anyway.

We'll see what happens with this going forward, and if they don't get Endgame, they don't get Doomsday, right, Oh man, there's there will be some trouble.

Bro it's I think they'll I think they'll be Okay, I'm not.

I'm genuinely not worried.

Just from the standpoint of I am.

I am very acutely aware of Brave New World was the last of what was kind of going on.

You could also make the argument with iron Heart, which I still thought personally, I like, I liked iron Heart, I just didn't like this straight up ending.

I think that they felt on too much of a cliffhanger for something that has already been kind of touted as not getting a second season.

So in what world, especially if you were even though you finished in twenty three, like right before the Strikes, you had time to do a little bit of reshoots, why not just tweak it just a little bit so it's a little more closed story, you know what I mean.

That's my only beef with it.

But but again, we've been dealing with Missfire after Misfire after Misfire, Like it wasn't just this, it was it was Quantumnia, it was oh my god, the Marvels Marvels, Love and Thunder like you Missfire after Missfire after Misfire, you know what I mean.

So like you had some you had some stuff that worked, but most of the stuff that worked was tied to something that was kind of either a throwback or a wrap up.

So like you're talking, you know, Dead Poet Wolverine, that's that's that's a throwback slash wrap up.

Guardians three, that's a wrap up.

Spider Man, that's a wrap up slash throwback, Like, you know what I mean.

Like the only O G thing that kind of hit and up people universally pretty much Love is what shunk Chi outside outside of now Fantastic four and Thunderbolts.

But I guess again, Thunderbolts didn't really put money in.

Yeah, so and shunk Chi you can't even get a sequel that was so good it was.

I think the weirder part is to not have shunk Chi just showed up somewhere.

That's fair, though, I under just because of like, if you think timeline of trying to get stuff working, don't don't force feed another movie in there just to do it.

But I but to not include you know, Leu some somehow, some way, I think it is a little weird, but we do know.

I mean, I don't know if people are aware that he did tear his A C L.

I think A C and M C maybe just the A C L and was out for months.

I had to have surgery and all that kind of stuff.

So it also was probably hard if they did want to include him and something else.

They're like, he can't move, don't don't even ask, don't ask right now.

Put him in the ten rings wheelchair, Jesus rings around him.

And something brought up also, that's yeah.

His achilles.

No, it was his comments.

He said, his wol comments were the biggest cop out.

He praised him on Vallani.

But everyone likes her right exactly, he said.

Yeah.

He also said the DEI this and this, this, this is the thing that's that I was saying like before, like, hey, you know, why does Marvel do this?

Why they could playing it safe?

But it's clearly because Fikey wants to play it safe.

It is clear because he wants to play it safe.

The DEI comments him saying that he's been a champion of DA that Marvel you could look out the window and Marvel was reflecting the people you saw at there.

It's like, the biggest criticism of Marvel up until Black Panther was how undiverse the Marvel was with its heroes, with its casting, with its storylines.

It was very undiverse.

And go back and watch ar Man two, say you see how many sexist comments Tony Stark and Happy make about Scarlett Johanson's black widow uh in the Natasha in the film like, there was a lot of un It was very unwoke, it was very undi and it wasn't until Black Panther things changed.

So for him to say, like, well, we've been DEI from the beginning.

It's is absolute hogwash utter hogwash.

Yeah, uh oh, and I was corrected.

It was indeed a torn achilles.

He went dressed as Aaron Rodgers with crutches and jets shirt on for Halloween that year because he was He was like, I know how I feel.

Yeah, that so that that that's why Shunk she hasn't been around.

You can't obviously he has to recover from that.

You do that That would have thank god they weren't in production because that would think about how much money that would have cost.

You put the whole thing on hold.

You know what I mean, Here we go calling a woman sexy as sexist.

Didn't even say that, didn't even say that.

That's that's not what they say in the movie.

They say that.

They say something like she's a piece of meat and they want to make an eater.

Which movie.

Maybe I was missing it because I was reading about the Achilles.

What would we want?

Iron Man Too?

And Iron Man two?

Uh, what they say about Natasha, the comments that they make about Natasha, it's uh, you can see the comments that they make.

So we have I'll put it this way, we have evolved.

Yes, I don't think.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with calling somebody attractive.

I think the whole point of Tony's character arc is that he has evolved.

And I think I said this about Fantastic four.

I don't think you needed to say in all of the interviews.

You didn't need to say, you know, Johnny isn't a womanizer anymore.

He's more than that.

And I was like, well, you're not gonna see none of that in here.

And I was like, well, yeah, you could have just not brought that up, because Johnny is still Johnny in the movie.

And I love that about him, but he's also all evolved, you know what I'm saying, Like he's out here in these streets being like, yeah, I'm trying to get played wherever I can get played, but also girl like like he's got like in the exactly you know what I mean.

So let me help Captain wing Nut.

I'm sorry, Captain Wingsuit.

Let me help him out.

Hold on a second.

Let's let's take out here.

It is the male game is full effect right here.

Is they're looking at Natasha right that we're doing this guys, what's your name?

Lady?

If it pleases the court, which it does, and she is potentially a very expensive sexual harassment lawsuit.

And then he said I want one.

Talking about Natasha Tony Starks saying.

To Pepper Pots, I want one.

And we know what that man.

It wasn't I want an assistant, I want someone to take notes from me.

It's I want one, which means a young woman that he can sexually harass, for God's sakes.

And so you see here in the moments that they have the back and forth, and so it's all through Iron Man too.

Go back and rewatch it and you'll see the comment.

So it is I would say that it's again, yeah, we were in the middle of Tony's evolution.

I am not defending it in terms of like if you remade the movies today that you do it, but I would, but I would make I would make the argument based on the arc we went on with him between Iron Man one and three, that that was again a moment of like, dude, really, like you know what I'm saying?

Like that that is what we saw over the course of that character, because remember, in the middle of that movie, we're dealing with his peak alcoholism, which they also did not actually address.

But be clear, they did not have a play and to evolve Tony that is retro fitting.

What you're saying is retro fitting, Like, oh, Tony, then he go, Let's start him out as a sexist and then we'll evolve him to this elevated person about women down the road.

No, they got crap for it, and then they adjusted some of the storylines, adjusted some of the future stuff so that he would come across as someone who's quote unquote evolved I don't think in any way shape before and they were like, let's start out a raging someone.

Two came out before Avengers didn't it, Yes, yes, okay, because I was I was like, well, I don't know about that because if you look at it, then you saw avenders and how he's talking with with Pepper the whole time, and how like mainly his stuff again, his arrogance was more off.

He thinks he's smarter than everybody else.

Right, that's that's totally cool.

I don't mind any of that.

So yeah, but but I hit it too.

Where did Happy evolve Happy he made some comments that were inappropriate as well.

So no, no, no, he definitely did.

But if I remember, Happy made those comments to her as they got in the ring and then she beat the shit out of him.

So I think the other part of it too was you're gonna talk about me how boom boom boom.

Oh shit, maybe we shouldn't do that.

Maybe maybe maybe maybe we shouldn't talk about this woman this way.

So like I'm not saying it's it's okay, I again think it's I'm glad we have grown past that, but I think it's not.

I I don't think it's so far bad as like say, Weedon's like up the skirt shots of Wonder Woman and Justice.

You know what I'm saying that that is actually, like, what are you doing versus?

This isn't great, but I but in terms of the character and what immediately happens afterwards of like maybe I shouldn't talk about her in a sexual way, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that's the that's the only minor bit of like pushback I would get, like minor minor pushback.

All right, well, let's move on to another thing that we should talk about.

Speaking of young attractive women that talk about Sidney Sweeteye and this.

This is a hell of a situation popped up, y'all.

Sidney Sweeney has an American Eagle campaign that is happening now and in the advertising campaign, Sydney is at the center of the campaign.

She's the star of the clothing retailer is the latest denim focused fall campaign with the tagline Sidney Sweeney has Great Genes j E A n S, which is a play on for Sidney Sweeney's great Genes g E n E s.

In one clip, which accrued more than one point one million views on American Eagles Instagram page, Sweeney stands for a poster over self titled Sidney Sweeney Has great genes before the word genes is scratched out and replaced with the word gens is in the genes you wear, And so a lot of people now and then even in one of the things here, one of the one of the ads, it says gens are passed down from parents to offspring off of determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.

Sweeney says this before the camera pans up to.

Her blue eyes.

My genes are blue.

So a lot of people are upset about this and called this you enix said that it was promoting white supremacy and even even incurred the word Nazi when describing this kind of stuff.

And by the way, Sydney has designed a gene with butterflies on it that is special that you can buy and all the proceeds go to a domestic violence charity.

So this is a really interesting situation here that that is causing friction and divide and division and battles back and forth.

What are your thoughts on this?

I don't know if this is real, but if it is, I need you to go ahead and share.

Yeah, I had this, I had this up.

Yes it is not real marketing, don't work that.

They could.

They got the you know, the photo shoots were there.

They just needed to be somebody, somebody do it.

Somebody, somebody could got demographic designer on the line and right now, get them the line right now.

Yeah, I mean this is amazing stuff for sure, amazing stuff for sure.

But what are you thinks on this, Winston?

You know there is this field, there is this Let's be real.

Over the last few years, there has been this how can I say this, this kind of conversation around Sidney Sweeney, these kind of talks that she is a maga person who is keeping it kind of low key and not being overt about her family having America America Great again.

Hats were pictured in some event.

It look no one's going like you can't have political views.

Of course you can.

But it's clear that American ego, which stood for diversity in their most recent campaign the last few years, focused on a lot of people of color wearing their clothes wearing.

Now they've dialed into what they see possibly as America moving to a more conservative, more white point of view again here under the Donald Trump administration.

So what do you think about this?

Man?

I am I have gone on quite the journey with this story.

Yeah, oh okay.

It started with me going, I'm a big but a lot of people know that I'm a big fan of Philip DeFranco.

That's typically where I'll watch my news, just because he is very good about just giving you the story.

Yeah, he'll give his two cents, but then he just is like, what do y'all think?

Honestly, and he'll just give it straight up, and he's I have rarely ever seen him miss at least in the modern era.

If you go back to like his old stuff, there's some stuff that he that you know, he himself admits to, like like he used to do the the Hot Lady of the Day or whatever, almost like it was Jet magazine or some shit.

He's gone back and be like, I don't But that's beside the point.

I only knew about this because he was reporting on it.

I knew nothing about it whatsoever.

And then when I was like kind of wild, I was like, are we doing that thing again where we're just making a fuss out of something and it doesn't like and we're making it a bigger deal than it needs to be.

And only because I don't remember which of the ads I saw first, but I was like, that was tame as fuck.

Guys, Like, what are we doing?

Then I started now that I had seen it, obviously the algorithm heard me, so it started feeding me everybody's outrage about this.

Yeah, And so then I saw all of the ads and I was like, Oh, that's not good.

That's actually really not good.

That's actually very bad.

And then I finally came around to this afternoon, while I was making lunch, I saw this.

One guy's TikTok about it.

He did a sketch and he had an essentially to people talking about it, and one person being like, this is the grossest thing that's ever happened in marketing and blah blah blah.

And it's like, I mean, it's not great, but like, are we also not sure that, like whether this was intentional or a mistake.

You do realize that by calling attention to it and putting so much emphasis on it, you're actually emboldening said people that would want to use this as an opportunity to further push eugenics and everything else.

You were like, oh, wait, that pisses them off.

Do more.

So there's this almost idea of we've done the finger wagging, let that shit go, or you're just going to encourage people to do more.

Because then on top of that, it feels like what American Eagle probably did there was enough people to see it that in marketing that either a you know, my lady is a marketer and she's like, you'd be surprised how the higher ups they really are just like yeah, yep, good good, and they just signed shit off and they don't care like oh Sidney Sweeney with the titties, okay, yeah cool, they don't they don't actually care pay attention, or someone really did go we know we're gonna ruffle feathers, we put it out there, we go, whoops, are bad, we didn't know and pull it down.

But everybody's talking about American Egole like their stock one up seventeen percent off of this.

Yeah.

So like so like I think it's one of those things that they most likely did this shit on purpose.

Yes, they probably weren't.

They weren't doing it necessarily because there's like David Duke is running American Eagle and they're just trying to like really talk about stand back and stand by or some shit like that.

But they did it enough to go it'll piss some people off.

The controversy would be enough.

We can pull it back and go, whoops are bad and then that's the end of it, you know what I'm saying.

And so the biggest thing we have to do, I think when you see shiit call ship.

But don't let this be a distract, Like do you know what Trump loves about this?

Guess what people haven't been talking about as much the last two days because they've been so obsessed about do you know they were using Sydney Sweeney to sell you chenix.

How about we focus on the one thing that apparently everybody's been pissed off about where Epstein lives.

Bro where that.

Yeah, exactly, No, No, that's a great point you bring up, d Yeah, this distraction.

And look, so you have to ask, is American Eagle owned by someone who has uh you know, connections with Trump?

Has the financial.

Trump apparently the owner or the main CEO whatever of American Eagle is one of the largest independent donors to and Yahoo directly, not to Israel, to Yah directly Jesus.

So nothing going on.

There's no starvation in Gaza.

That guy.

Yeah, So that's the thing that's frustrating is you see this happen and this is corporate America, you know.

And to me, that's what I'm so mad about this stuff that's been happening.

Well, not mad, like raging or anything, but just like kind of upset seeing this stuff happen.

How much like it's amazing how we've all of a sudden since Trump won, those of us on the left or maybe the middle left, have become the people calling out corporate America when Trump's people have been calling on corporate America, the MAGA people for eight years, ten years about how they manipulates things.

And it's just like the South Park episode last week where the guy says, wait a minute, we can't we can't do everything.

We can't do things the way they did it.

We can't telling people to think the way we want them to think after we got mad for them telling us how to think for the last ten years.

That's exactly what is happening here.

And you see that this is very clear, and Sydney is a part of it.

Sydney ain't no dummy, because it just was announced today that Jeff Bezos is funding her line of clothes that are coming out her.

I think it's lingerie and underwear and all this kind of stuff and workout go is Liker him and Lauren Seinchez are funding?

And what has Jeff Bezos done?

He has gutted the Washington Post of any editors who were going to comment on Trump and any of his foibles.

Yes, there's been reporting on the Epstein violes whatever, but like he got rid of the editors that were going to write columns calling out Trump about his actions.

And also so it's all connected.

So you have to take responsibility for the people you're in business with.

If she's in business with Bezos, I mean, for God's sakes, what are we talking about here?

So I think she is part of this whole Maga pipeline thing and people are going to have to come to terms with it.

And this was her way of like making it clear but not but doing it in a subtle way.

And the domestic violence thing from her other genes, that's to cover up, that's to provide a shield so that she can keep doing what she's doing and be like, well, this is for charity.

It's other sides for charity.

So I know, man, it's a she's a smart businesswoman.

If nothing else man, and people want to people want to dismiss her as like, you know, a blonde with boobs and whatever.

Like, No, this woman's smart.

She knows exactly what she's doing, whether I like it or not, she knows exactly what she's doing, you know.

I mean, look, she apparently like when she was on SNL, Yeah, like the whole Hooter sketch that happened.

Yeah, she was like leaning in.

She's like, yo, they love me from a titties, what can we do?

That like leans into the fact that, like, I'm hot like she is.

She is very aware of why she is, like at the forefront is because she's hot, Which is funny because personally I think she's fine, Like I don't like and not like fine, like oh she's falling.

I think she's like okay, you know what I mean, like I and the Armist, you know what I'm saying, like all day.

But but I'm like, okay, sure, what ever.

So but that's the whole thing, man, I mean, look, this is I don't know how this always comes to the f back around the camel Clark.

But if it's it's it's it's only it is only from the standpoint of the one thing that I was saying is that you you you were you were seeing because there's this this kind of the dog whistle that is the term make America great again.

It's the idea of like meaning we mean white like literally because we talked about this with the with the the you know that somebody put that post.

You know, if this was really just about you know, immigrants paying taxes, then you wouldn't be going to the I R s for their tax information if it was really about them, like you know, X, Y and Z all the things that were listed out, and it became very clear what this was about.

And so it's kind of the same thing that unfortunately these women, whether they're doing it like they're buying into it or they're being used as poster children.

It is this idea of just like the white this is what a hot woman looks like, you know what I mean, her jeans are better, you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's it isn't it is we That is what is being leaned into pretty heavy, yeah, because.

I mean, if you can look at this from an innocent angle, like it's a playful ad on the word genes, right, and the point is to sell Jeens, not her actual genes, but the genes she's wearing, or the genes American Eagle is making.

So I think in our world that wasn't as politically divided as it is now, maybe ten years ago, fifteen years ago, you can get away with this ad and there would be some people who are upset about it, but it wouldn't be loud.

It's loud now because people are aware of this stuff in ways that they never have been before, and optics is important.

And I agree with you.

I think American Eagle knew fucking exactly what they were doing with this to try to get attention.

I mean, I was watching a Dodge Ram commercial the other day and they're like, we make it in America.

This is an American.

And it too.

Yeah, rockets going red, white and blue planes going by, Like what the fuck is happening?

This is a guy named park Barity commercial and it was I think it was Dana White from fucking UFC who is voicing it over and I'm like.

What is happening?

For God's sake?

Yeah?

Well, I I just I think the other thing about it that that's like, look, I will give even if I don't like it.

I'll give Chevy and Pepsi credit for being like, this is a mark we make it in a MRK.

I'll tell you why that.

I'll tell you why that's a little bit smart.

It.

I don't like it, but it's smart, right Roka?

Who out here drinking all of the soda?

Tell me right now?

Is it is?

It?

Is it?

The liberals in Los Angeles?

Are they They're they're drinking diet coke and or Lacroix.

All right, they're not drinking soda.

BILLI Bob gonna drink his soda.

Bro, You're like, you're damn right, that's an American soda.

I'm gonna drink my American soda.

Who is This is where Elon messed up?

Who was buying the Tesla's It is not the Middle America?

They are buying their shit?

Is so that makes sense to go this is an AMR truck made for merks.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

So like, that's where, in my opinion, Elon screwed up.

Because the one thing that's going on right now, So I don't know if you knew, but the the the damn Elon super charging diner twenty five movie thing finally opened.

Oh yeah, and they have.

It was complete chaos before and now now it is.

There are protesters outside and they're on the sidewalks, they're not on public on private property, and they have inflatable floating men as Elon doing this over and over like it is, it is programmed to specifically do that.

Bro It's like and so that's the whole thing.

I don't I don't Again, I don't love seeing that kind of propaganda marketing.

But that to me, for Pepsi and for Chevy is smart marketing.

That's that who's your base?

No, I don't disagree, it's just when you see it, you're very clearly leaning into a certain point of view.

But I feel unnecessarily so we all fucking know a country we live in, and we all support America.

The stupid narrative the right some of the people on the right have and some of the magna that if you criticize America, you don't love it.

Meanwhile, they bitch about their family members twenty four to seven.

Somehow we're still believe you love your family members.

Like it's that kind of bullshit narrative that is easily easily deflated like a popped balloon.

That frustrates me because that's the thing that motivates people to do ads like this, to be like, you better be proud about America.

This is made in America.

No one loves my country more than I do.

And I will defend it and fight for it and cheer for it till the day I'm dead.

I'm proud to be an American.

But part of being an American, and Teddy Roosevelt, one of our greatest presidents, says this is that you must always question the office of the president, question the people in power, because that's how you test how American people are.

And so I think that's an important thing.

And so the fact that people are turning any kind of dissent or questioning Meanwhile, they spent the last four years questioning Joe Biden, for Park's sake, they spent any questioning of America as some kind of negative.

It's frustrating.

And so that props stupid ads like that that are overtly an American throwing his dick out into the fucking onto a truck under the bed of a truck.

That drives me insane because it's so unnecessary, But like you said, it's smart marketing possibly to see if people are going to now dial in and buy more of those trucks in the long run, you know, And I don't really know how many of these are how many of these trucks are actually made in America comunity these parts.

Well, but that's the whole thing when you go and look at it.

They maye to have their final assembly done here.

But that's why the tariffs have been so goddamn damning.

Yeah, and why they've had to continue to be put on pause because everything surrounding it.

You have a situation where like some materials will come down from Candada, it'll come down here and be manipulated.

It then has to go down to go to be have more stuff added on and then sent back here to Like so already you're dealing with two to three terrif interactions because you had to do that, driving the price of everything up.

So it's like, yeah, that's a whole that's a whole other.

Conversation with someone called me out correctly.

Uh see what I love the union jack that Roka is wearing as he's talking about America.

Yeah, yeah, I just happened to be wearing a Captain Britain share.

I apologize.

You're right, that's a fair point.

I love the England too, don't get me wrong, but America is my country.

Mario Karr made in America, not even close.

Wait what.

Anyway?

All right, well we'll see what happens with this.

I think this is a legitimate car.

I saw Joe Walsho's a guy follow he's a former Tea party guy and he's the Andy Trump guy, and he was complaining about this.

But I think this is great.

I think it's good to have these conversations.

I think it's essential.

It shows that an actor's an active a base of people who want to discuss this stuff and make people aware of this stuff.

And people go like, oh, this is so exhausting.

It's like, no, this is important conversation to have.

People want to stay politically tuned in and they want to be aware of this stuff, and I think it's good to have.

But Whinston, you make an excellent point.

The more you highlight this, the more popular it becomes, and then it calls out.

It brings out some really creepy motherfuckers to be a part of this, like Ted Cruz, who goes now Wow, now the crazy left has come out against beautiful women.

I'm sure that will pull Well, it's it's dirty.

This is dirty old man feeling getting all turned on by Sydney Sweeney.

So it brings out the wrong people for this kind of stuff.

But you know, welcome, Yeah.

You know it is that this is this is unfortunately the era that we're in.

Yeah, and so this is one of those situations where we do need to continue to push back when when when just obvert bullshit happens, Yeah, but to just be aware and to that point, pushback on the bullshit, but don't give it life like it's it's a it's a weird thing to say, because the thing is is the more that the shit snowballs, it becomes a problem, you know what I'm saying.

So like that that's all you can.

You can call it up out enough to go, na, this is stupid, but that this is wrong for these reasons, and then we have to keep it pushing, like like if even if people, if all the thing pieces were were like, yo, this is bad for these reasons.

But also where Epstein is, bro what about that big beautiful bill, bitch, what about the tariffs?

You soup a son of a bit, like talk about it, then come back to focus.

Cool.

I addressed you a little side quest, Now, what the fuck are we doing about this shit?

That?

That's that that is what it has to be, because like I don't know if you saw that, Like there's there were some twenty people that were arrested trying to stop ICE from like the ridiculous tactics and what they were doing and the COT and these ICE agents were making up lies.

Eight of those cases have already been thrown out because it was disp was proven that they were lying about how the interaction went down and how they were like, oh, they put hands on us, So that's why we arrested them.

And they you know, they were trying to whatever whatever where in actuality you would look at like video comes out and it's like, no, they just started FFing people up for being around and screaming what are you doing?

Right?

And so now that like they they're they're having to walk shit back, you know what I mean?

So again, call out the bullshit, but don't get distracted.

What's happening with ICE is more important.

What's happening with the beautiful Bill is more important.

All of that shit is more important than to worry about American eagle that's trying to make money off of your rage.

Agreed, Agreed sky Sky.

The Magnanimous Eight informis tech.

Cruise's real name is Edward Eduard.

He was born in Calgary, Canada.

Yeah, so he's he's a Hispanic Canadian running his mouth like he's a good old boy from Texas.

You don't see too many of those this side of Drake.

Hispanic Canadian.

It's an interesting situation, man, I mean, you know, I don't know this is an interesting enough to see for that of course, but you know we'll see.

Yeah, just so frustrating anyway, all right, speaking of the Epstein Files, let's get into that next, wins.

As if this hasn't been a spicy enough episode, let's get into it.

What is the update on the Epstein File?

So much happening here?

Of course, last we heard, well last we've seen since we were on the show, a lot has happened here, Winston.

The Trump administration has tried really hard to quiet down all the conversations about the Epstein Files.

None of the stuff they're trying to do is working.

They got Toulci Gabbert to trot out there some nonsense about treason.

Obama now wants to arrest Kamala Harris, Beyonce and Obama and all these people for political donations or whatever madness are coming up with.

They're doing all this kind of stuff that I talk about the Epstein files.

And now he's sent Todd Blanche, who was the assistant to I think assistant to Attorney General, to go speak to Gallaine Maxwell for two particular sessions.

She apparently revealed that there were one hundred people that she mentioned in the whole conversation.

There is no reports back from Blanche that that she mentioned Trump, but there's been this floating around of a pardon.

Will it be a pardon?

Trump keeps saying, well, you know, I could do it, I haven't thought about it, or I don't know anything about this, or blah blah blah.

But now her attorney came out today and said very clearly like she's not talking unless she has immunity or a pardon.

So now now we're in this situation, and you know, the House Speaker Mike Johnson recessed the Congress early because the Democrats were going to force a vote on the Epstein files.

To release the Epstein files, and now Johnson is hiding behind Well, we're only going to release the credible stuff because we want to protect the victims, which is nonsense, because you can protect the victims easily by just taking them out of the transcript and just releasing the transcript only editing out the victims.

But no, they don't want to do that.

And to add another element to this, Winston apparently, according to CBS, the missing minute at the prison cell for so Epstein has been found and that apparently the DOJ and other people, according to the report on the Daily Beast, have the full video, so we will see how much of that gets released as well.

But this is this is absolute mad house shit going on right now, and they should just release this ship.

I mean, it's it's crazy.

But they But that's the problem.

They won't because he's all up in that.

I mean, like you, like you, I believe you mentioned this.

Maybe it's just so ingrained in my mind.

I just it's just there.

But you know, the whole adage of he was told in May he was on that list, bro, and he's all up in them files.

So like according to the Wall Street Journal, he was told in may he denied it.

I think yesterday or two days ago in Scotland he denied that he was ever briefed on it, which, of course, who's gonna who's gonna track that down?

Pam make can reveal the truth.

So yeah, but it is clear that he is going to ultimately he's going to write all he's going to pardon her.

There's there's too much teeing up of like, I mean, it's within my power to do it.

I haven't thought about it.

I've never thought about it.

I maybe thought about it, like it's very it's very clear he's setting that up and then he could turn around and go, but see, I brought you the most important thing.

Blah blah blah, like it's it's just like go if trials can have suit like for example, what just happened with Diddy that that that it was that it was Jane Doe when you ended up with all you can do that.

There are ways to protect the victims and still release this information because none of us we care about the victims, and that we don't.

We obviously feel horrible would happened to them, and we hope they're getting the proper care and everything they need to recover.

But that's not what we're actually after.

We're after or these assholes that were there doing this ship and then making sure that they see justice for exploiting these people.

So put it out.

And the funny thing is, obviously it doesn't make any sense for Obama being on that at all.

It doesn't make it like, how is it that Obama has no pictures with this dude and yet somehow he's all over it, and yet Trump has a million pictures with his dude and he had nothing to do with it.

But let's say, for example, that he actually is a shitty person and he was also on this island doing shit, then he can burn too.

That's the thing that I don't think people are like that are like, what about it?

If Obama did it, then let him go.

What about if Clinton did.

It, then he can go to we don't we actually care When we say that we care about the lives of like women and children, we actually mean it, versus you saying that shit and then two seconds that you're gonna do some shit to screw them over.

If there are democrats, all release that list and all of them should be kicked out of politics, should be arrested.

If there's evidence to back it all and take them all out, they should all it should all be released.

All the names Democrat, Independent, Republican, whatever social strata they were, they should all be released, and yes, redact the names of the victims.

The only people that are going to release the names of the victims is this thing gets leaked are MAGA people, because they will go after these victims to shut them up.

And it really says something that nobody from the DOJ is interviewing the victims.

They're interviewing Gallainne Maxwell.

Why aren't toy interview the victims?

Because they don't want to hear the stories that implicate Trump.

They don't want to hear the stories they implicate their big donors.

They don't want to hear the stories.

And that's the big lie about all of this.

MAGA bought it hook line and syncre that it was the Democrats who were running this cabal.

But as you've seen with a lot of MAGA shit, it's all projection because it was really their people who were running a pedophile ring.

They're people who are trying to get have sex with young women and women who are underage, girls who are under age and all of that.

It's their people who are doing it, and so and if there are Democrats involved, fuck yeah, bring them out and skewer them.

Absolutely, throw them in prison and whatever.

People like Clinton, Clinton, I don't give a fuck.

Put Clint in prison too, Like it's not an issue for the left, as you said, Winston so well, and it's it's frustrating to see this kind of stuff and the way they're trying to delay it over and over again and even and they're trying to distract with Obama stuff.

As you see it.

This is apparently going around with MAGA, and people are like, why is Obama having drinks with Epstein?

That's not Epstein, that's Anthony Bourdain, you morons, that is not fucking Jeffrey Epstein.

But yet MAGA is running this picture all over the place claiming that it's Obama having drinks with Epstein.

It's so frustrating the kind of distractions that they're trying to throw out the wall instead of just releasing the list.

And nothing says you're more guilty than doing all of this stuff to try not to release the list.

Winston, I feel.

Like, or that's that's the whole thing, because even the video of from like what is It?

Twenty ten of Epstein being deposed and they were like, ykay, what you know, did you ever spend time with Donald Trump?

You know, in the company of women under the age of eighteen?

And he goes, I would like to invoke my even though I would love to answer, I would like to invoke my fourth, fifth and fourteenth Amendment rights.

And I was like, I get, that is your right to not self incriminate.

I also am like, you do understand that?

Don't look great because if the answer was no, you would just say no, right.

And Michael Wolf came out and said that he was showing pictures of, you know, women, young girls on Trump's lap who were in states of undress, and so that's a really unsettling thing if that's true.

Someone asks, how would you feel if your favorite celebrity was on the list?

I would feel like this, fuck them, put him in jail.

I don't care who it is.

I honestly don't care.

I would feel the same.

I would feel the same way that I felt about Jonathan Major's, that I thought about Diddy, that I felt about any other black celebrity that I've watched.

Have find out that they're a bad person and did something fucked up.

My soul is crushed because I really liked them and maybe they inspired me to pursue my art harder or to try a different way in my hustle.

But that doesn't mean they get a cart blaunch passed to slap women around and kill people and and and pedophilia all like that.

That you don't get a pass just because hey man, you made bad boys for life, okay, And like you know what I'm saying.

So if they are, then they got to go.

I'm sorry.

If if you're on there, then you need to see your day in court.

One hundred percent.

One hundred percent.

That's the That's the thing.

At the end of the day, it's like just I think he should have just released it because let's let's let's pull it back from the judgments, look at it logically politically.

They clearly thought this wasn't going to blow up in their face.

They thought they had maga in their pockets so hard that, as Trump said years and years and years ago, that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue in New York City and no one would and people would still vote for him.

This was, in essence, the test case for that comment, because his name is all over these files allegedly.

Allegedly he was told all about that in May, according to Wall Street Journal by Pam Bondi and Cash Tell, apparently, and so this is there, this is out there.

Uh, and the actions here are the actions of a guilty person.

The actions here trying to stop all this stuff coming out.

It's not about protecting the victims.

I don't believe them at all when they say that nonsense.

It's about protecting their dear leader and the power that they have a crude under Trump, because if Trump gets found out to be this child sexual product, they all have to turn on him.

And if they don't, which a lot of people like Aziliah Banks came out and you see that tweet that was madness.

Oh you did not see She's always she's always on something.

What does she do?

Bro?

She basically excused his pedophilia with her tweet.

Here it is let me let me bring it up.

Uh, this this is madness.

I don't understand this madness at all.

She said.

Okay.

In Donald Trump's defense, fucking fourteen year old goals was really only made social taboo in the nineteen excuse me Lolita came out in nineteen fifty from Nabokov.

Explaining the disgusting nature of that, she said, my grandmother was born in nineteen twenty seven.

I had her first time when she was twelve teenage.

Pregnancy only became frowned upon him with the rise of Jerry Springer.

And I also can.

Be honest about the fact that I was old enough to choose seduce and decide to grow to fuck grown est men when I was fifteen.

I really don't get why women are fronting like they weren't fucking forty years old at fifteen, Like, come on now, I'm honestly not surprised you're mad at Trump forgetting some fifteen year old because those were the times.

Good Night USA, for fucking ever.

Now, if he was effing a ten year old, we have a problem.

But if the girls were thirteen plus, who cares move on?

This is geniminly a twain from her.

But this is part of the reason why whenever like I genuinely hate this woman because she got famous off of one song, never really put anything like that again, and has constantly said this ridiculous bullshit, and then a few times that she gets called out on stuff.

I don't know if you saw she was running her mouth.

They brought her on wild'n out and then they said something after she had already made a pretty like edgy like rude joke to somebody that said something back, and that she went and cried, oh, their color is so god, there's so racist against me as a dark skinned black woman.

It's like, girl, did you see the ship?

You said two seconds before kiss my ass?

Like she is.

She is the worst human and it doesn't make two on two is not worth all of the bullshit we've had to put up with her for years.

Yeah, it's it's just it's because because look, if she really wants to play that history game, and and you you can go back in history and look at the situations like that of where where young women unfortunately we're being married off.

The point is to say a that it only became a social taboo in the nineties is crazy, not as that as a wild out of the pocket statement, all right, but all of that being said, you think that that still makes it okay?

And they were still hanging out in the early two thousands and all that shit, like what is what is wrong with you?

Like the laws were still in place that you were not able to give consent at that age.

So it was still illegal regardless if it was not a so it was only a social taboo.

It was illegal already.

So what are you going on about you?

I hate her, I really hate her.

God, damn, it's just madness, man, It's utter madness.

And you see, I mean, Charlie Kirk is trying to get them to move on from the Epstein files.

I mean these people who are growing screaming, crying about Democrats having this pedophilia, ring in this cabal behind the scenes.

Now that it's their dear leader, all of a sudden, it's let's move on time.

This is old news.

I saw what's this?

God, I can't remember the guy's name who runs that too.

The old dude is boulding with a beard who hosts Mark Levin.

Yeah, Mark Levin was out here going, we need to stop talking.

We need to move on America.

He's given you your orders move on, MAGA, and it's like, no, man.

There's one thing I will say about this that has been surprising for me, the fact that MAGA people have been very principled about this.

They legitimately believe these Epstein files are showing the war natures of the rich, wealthy elite in our country and other countries.

Totally with Prince Andrew, that they are adamant that these things, these files need to be released.

And so I give a lot of credit to MAGA, and I don't always right, I don't really do it at hardly ever, but I got to give them credit for being principled in their stance on this.

They're very clear that this is important, and Trump wouldn't be flailing like this and his people wouldn't be flailing like this if MAGA wasn't on their asses.

They could give two shits of the Democrats a crying about it.

But the fact that their own base is going this is nonsense and all the distractions you're doing, we're not buying any of this shit.

Release the files.

I got to give them credit for being principled on this particular stance, which they rarely are, honestly.

I mean, look what did I say about about Tucker?

Yeah?

Right, the broken clock is right twice a day?

Bro, Yeah, because like same thing there was moments of this with Candice Owns is like broken clock right twice a day.

But then she wants keep running them out to Brigitte.

Oh my god, I hope they sue her to oblivion.

I hope she loses everything.

I hope is absolutely everything, because because beyond all that, even if that is the case, why is that your fucking business?

Yeah right, even even if if somehow, some way that that is actually what is going on in Brigitte, why is that your fuck?

Did she It's not your it's not your parent, that's not it's not like it's nobody that has nothing to do with you, that has nothing to do with you.

Were just running your mouth.

So I hope they sue her to oblivion.

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

And before you go, little Love and Joe Rogan for his recent anti Trump stances.

He said back in May and April that he believed Candae Owens in her comments about Brigitte, and he believed is a man after having watched Candace Owens and stuff.

And now they're saying that that could be the lynch pin in the case that they can prove that someone with a platform like this believed Candace's Owen's debunked story about Brigitte, that she that she was a man, and so they can say, see she influenced, so she did cause damage to her and sue her.

But so that'd be hilarious if Joe Rogan is the thing that helps Brigitte win this case and make her and bankrupt canvas omens.

I hope, I hope.

All right, Well, anyway, we've talked about a lot of topics.

We should get to the questions.

Winston's We're right, we're running out of time here, so let's jump into these questions.

Thanks, everybody's been watching us, three hundred and fifty people joining us for a majority of the show.

You guys are amazing.

Before we get to the questions real quick, Winston, let people know where they can follow your brother, because I do this at the end sometimes I forgot should do it in the middle as well.

Please let people know you.

Can find me at the Swaggy Blurn all platforms.

Yesterday went and got a blurred breakdown in we did some live shoting on Twitch.

Tomorrow I'll be doing the same, but we also have a blurred's in the hood that's going off.

Jay, Yeah, Jay and I will be up tomorrow four pm pacifics.

I don't miss that.

Depending on how late we go to determine how much streaming I'm going to do personally afterwards.

Obviously if we if we go a couple hours, I might be a little tired, might call it soon.

But we've got that obviously.

We've got Capes and Cows on Fridays over on the Christian Hollow Channel with Christian and Coy myself and then yeah, so just checking out on my platforms, checking out all those other programs and I will see all on the flip man.

Cool man Cool.

Let's get to the questions.

Yeah, I definitely follow this on everywhere.

Bro, Phil p what's up?

Phil?

It's this huge love from old London town.

Went to the Oasis gig at Wembley last week with my boy Mick, who introduced me to the Top ten and this and to this outlaw.

So that's awesome, That's that's great.

I hope you and Mick had a great time.

I wish I could go see that Oasis concert.

Everyone's talking about how amazing it is, so shout out to you, Phil, Hope you had a blast.

Brother.

And how do you feel about Liverpool's transfer window?

Yeah?

Yeah, I am two flag Ams says I'm boycotting Marble until they recast to Chala.

Not to mention, Sam has been in how many projects and still doesn't have a love interest.

They did him dirty, hey, wainstay we think about is that fair criticism that Sam doesn't have a love interest yet after all these projects.

I mean, if you look at it, let me let me see here, Tony had one, Steve had one.

They didn't, they didn't focus on it.

But Steve had one, Thor had one, Hope had one.

Let's see, Uh, star Lord and Gomora were together.

Even Rocket had some that we learned at the end of Guardians three.

Drax had a wife and child.

They were killed.

Groot.

Groot seems a sexual.

Let's see Wanda with vision Hawkeye as a whole family so Scarlett.

Uh so Black Widow was with Holp for like half a second?

Yes, yeah, but Black Panther had Nikia, Like yeah, I guess that's the case of pretty much everybody has gotten one more, has had one more less.

I guess Bucky hasn't, but he was evil.

I don't feel like bad guys are really getting a lot of getting Like he became good.

I guess what.

Also, who else Wong kind of has what's her name?

Uh?

Even if it's just like just like like they're really good friends that like will they won't they?

Yeah?

I guess everybody.

I guess even Nick Fury got a wife for a wife, So we don't talk about Secret Invasion.

Bro.

I saw, I saw.

I saw.

The funniest video.

Do you know RDC World.

No, there's a bunch of black the black kids from Texas.

They their sketches are hilarious.

You've seen a lot of them where they've done like they've been like after Lebron, Yeah, after Lebron lost to the finals, like you you off the teams like all that ship they did one.

They did one as like fight, like the main guy played like black Figy and he was just like all y'all were gonna go through this real quickly and just Marvel we rolling baby.

I just want to like give some shout outs and stuff.

He goes, Okay, who whose idea was it to do a kang?

It was you?

You five?

Get out?

And then at one point they go okay, okay, no, no, no, no, who did Secret Evasion?

But I don't worry, You're not in trouble And he goes, oh I did.

He's like, oh man, get outret Secretly, he said, Secretly, I was like, yo.

Oh man, they're good.

Those guys are good.

Those guys are great.

They're really funny, man, They're really really funny.

Fantastic three fourteen says, if it's quote all about the money, then fight.

You should have known the last Hulk movie made two hundred and sixty five million dollars while Civil War made one point one five billion.

No excuses, Wow, yeah point woh.

Chris Corcoran says, did you see the NLK boys podcast interview?

And Yahoo asked out whether he liked McDonald's or Burner King absolute losers?

Lock him up now, listen, guys, that's a little out of my age range.

But I was familiar with what happened.

I did because I was on TikTok and I love to I'm a TikTok addict.

I only get one hour every two or three days because I will lose days on that ship.

And I saw the clips though of the Knockbet.

I saw them getting called out by other TikTokers to their face about wow they interview this.

I thought, this is a fascinating thing to consider, because I mean, why is he going on their show?

And He's doing it because people understand from the certain political bet they understand how important getting on these social media shows, these TikTok shows are to the messages they're trying to put out.

People are going to these platforms for information.

So it's fascinating.

What do you think of this?

Uh, my problem is you just became a You just let Menhya who go off rip you push back at all because they're they're young, and they're dumb.

Yes, so they genuinely didn't have the wherewith all the stones who actually ask questions or to push back on anything.

So Menya, who obviously loved that because he was it was easy.

It was an easy avenue to try and go and get the same crowd that fell in love with Trump when he did his Aidan Ross and and the Paul Brothers and all that tour during the election.

He's following the same guidelines and did it with this NELK podcast and that that to me is the problem is that they because there was zero pushback, yeah, on everything that he said, not noting that it was not a single thing.

And that's the only thing that I really hate about the podcast era.

I there's a part of me that loves it.

Obviously, that's what we do and things like that.

But I also hate it because that means that whoever can have it, and if they just chill on vibes, then they end up in a big enough situation that they can have an interview like that, and that's actually more hurt than it is help.

I agree, I agree, Yeah, yeah, man.

Sister McCall says, NICKI minaj jeans get better because the jeens don't fit.

Oh, hello, there you go.

Oh the herd jeans are better because the jeans don't fit.

I mean, did you did you not hear that that?

My girl Beyonce said that in the average line.

She said, if you ain't got a jump to put your jeans on, then you can't feel my pain.

You know what I'm saying.

Beyoncely cover that, I.

She did.

Samuel says, also on David Zucker, original director of The Naked Gun, refusing to see the new reboots.

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

I think he was developing it and then they kind of took it away from him and went with a young and but the response has been so positive that the studio can say we made the right move, you know, so yeah, I'm not as broken up about it, to be honest, Well what am I?

So?

Yeah?

So someone just send the chat and I heard about this.

The Knelt boys even admitted because they've been getting called out by everybody.

Everybody called them idiots.

They were like, yeah, we were handed a list of questions from Netanyahu's team.

They didn't they didn't ask a single original question.

They were just handed the questions to ask, and then they did not interact.

They would say what do you think about this?

And then then Yaho would talk for ten minutes, what do you think about this?

And then now who would talk for ten minutes?

Such nonsense, such nonsense.

You're scentially a puppet.

Your your puppet for that.

For those people, they got their hand right up your ass.

You have no independent thought.

Clip chap Razor says if BMW had Evans and stuf A Brave New World had Evans instead of Mackie in it, and everything else was the same, the long term box office would have been only slightly higher.

Bad writing.

Yeah, I don't disagree, Winston.

I don't think Chris Evans's gonna say that movie.

And as we've seen in other Chris Evans movies outside the Marvel universe.

It ain't Chris sevens saving those movies if you look at those box off its.

So let me look at the I need to check the box office real quick.

So yeah, uh.

So, like.

We weren't in full free fall yet because like Love and Thunder still made seven sixty.

Yes, but it was the beginning of going whoa like the last the last one did really really well with Ragnarok, and people love what's going on.

It was enough that they're kind of like, we're kind of done with four movies for a little bit.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

So I think, yes, it would have been slightly better, but the writing was bad enough and there was enough bad will kind of happening that they were like, nope, we're good.

Yeah, exactly.

All right.

One last question here, is there any chance of a Geek the Tequila crossover episode?

Enjoying the Roka content, looking forward to start to exchange new episodes reviews.

Sure, I would love to have Winston on Geek Buddies.

It's something I've certainly considered and talked about it.

Winston always said he's up for it, So maybe there might be an episode coming up where we can bring Winston on and have some fun conversations about GEK stuff, because I know he would get along with Vogel and Shannon.

Nope, I would lose my mind.

Maybe great times.

So yeah, you just yeah, y'all.

You let me know and we'll make it happen.

Done and done, man, done and done.

Uh.

There is one stream lab that came through.

Thank you to Fantastic who said stop spoil, spill, spill the Tequilers.

Well, Goldfish Memory has its benefits since it's Maggie's captain and Dacosta's marbles, but not his Quantumnia thunderbolts that were missing.

Oh that's fair, look out, Pedro, because when F four falls short of profit, you're the next goat as in scapegoat.

I mean not long, I mean how are they doing right now?

Because I know they had a pretty decent opening weekend, but old Tuesday.

It's only Tuesday.

Why am I asking that question?

People were going crazy about the Superman Tuesday.

So the fact that they're not posting these things, I think is an interesting situation like that not posting rapid numbers.

I also find it funny that Variety was a variety that did that originally or was it the Hollywood Reporter that was going at Sinners?

It was right, yeah, it was variety, right yeah.

Because now now all of a sudden, the day ago four reasons why Fantastic four ended Marvel's box office slub, but but for but for Sinners, Sinners did this, But this is why it's actually gonna fail.

Just alright, alright, bro, I.

Know you sent me this Hall of Fame thing.

Do you want to do it real quick or do you have to real quick?

Real quick?

All right?

So this is something Winston Brough someone like Winston presented.

Go ahead, brother, Wow.

So the twenty twenty six Hall of NFL Hall of Fame candidates have been announced.

Uh you can see here these are the twelve.

You got Breeze, Fitzgerald, Witten, Gore, Edelman, Olson, McCoy, Bryant, Pounting, Rivers, Gotskowski, and Atkins.

So my question is both you can they typically somewhere between four and eight people, So who would you say is going in?

And to my knowledge, I believe everyone up there this is their first time being nominated.

Yea, who So to that point, who do you think I think that the only in my opinion, the only first balloders are the top four.

I think that everybody else there is an argument for them to be in the Hall of Fame at some point or another, some more urgently than others.

But the top four there.

Bree's got the ring.

Breeze brought the city of New Orleans back from nowhere.

The number of records he had, he was fully keeping pace with with Brady and Manning the entire time once he got to New Orleans, So no brainer.

Larry Fitzgerald is known as one of the greatest wide receivers to have the best hands of anybody, like the best hands period, so that's a no brainer as well.

Frank Gore, if I'm not mistaken, has the most rushing yards over a career period.

I want to say he passed Emmett Frank Gore record.

Let me see, yes, Oh, he's the third.

He's a third all time leading rusher in NFL history with sixteen thousand yards, holds a record for the most rushing attempts that's what it was at three thousand, seven hundred and thirty five.

He's also amassed all aunt nine and fifty all purpose yards, which puts him second NFL history.

Also a no brainer.

In my opinion, Witten is that last one that I would put in there.

And that's just because when you look at all the records that he holds for the Cowboys records he holds as like a tight end stuff like that.

I think the four of them are shoeing everybody below.

I was saying Edelman yesterday and Shady McCoy.

Someone reminded me that Edelman had a steroid case.

Didn't know that, so that I think he gets in eventually, but I think not first ballot.

And then I Shady.

I feel like, you know, considering he's the all time runner for the Eagles gives him that kind of edge a little bit.

And he does have two rings, but they were his backup.

So I can see someone saying, maybe on the next nomination, but what do you think that I.

Think the top four of locks.

I think you're a hundred percent correct on that.

I think Philip Rivers is a lock.

I know he didn't wring the right though.

Do you think first ballot Philip Rivers?

He's like Marino.

He's one of these incredible quarterbacks that never won the ring for a number of reasons, but he delivered like crazy.

His numbers were insane for a long time.

It wasn't like Jaked alone five years and then he fell off a cliff.

He was completently great all the way until he got to that age.

And I think, and I know the NFL Hall of Fame loves him some white quarterbacks, So I think Philip Rivers is absolutely a lot.

The only reason that I'm a little offended you comparing it to Marino.

Marino is an MVP same year, was Offensive Player of the Year, he was Man of the Year, three time first team All Pro, three time second team All Pro, nine time Pro Bowler, five time passing yards leader, three times passing touchdowns leader.

Whereas I look over at at Rivers and yes, come by Player of the Year one of the years.

So I'll give him that.

He went to eight Pro Bowls, So I'll give him that eight Pro bowl Yeah, he went to eight Pro Bowls over versus the nine he had passing yards leader one time, get passing touchdown leaders, co leader one time, he get passing rating leader one time.

It's not to say that he is not fantastic, and I do believe that he deserves to be in eventually, But I don't think off of first ballot personally.

Wow, that's crazy to me.

Sixty three thousand passing yards, passer rating average over his entire career, ninety five point two four hundred and twenty one touchdowns to two hundred and nine interceptions.

And he had a long career, Like if you only did seven years, I might have an issue with this, But my man had a long ass career.

So to me, that tells me this.

I mean, played for sixteen seasons.

Bro, No, I I get this.

So let me ask you a question.

Yeah, if if that's the case, or you're saying that Matt Stafford is also a first ballot.

I think he is now that he won the ring.

So that but but they have comparable they have comparable numbers, so you're telling me so you're telling me that that's the only reason Matt's in.

But Philip is automatically because you gotta remember he had Antonio Gates, he had he had uh L, he had ul Damien Thominson, and then he had the ridiculous Chargers defense that was doing.

Work for years.

Right, he just through a ship down of yard.

Ship man.

Hold on, let me look up Matt Stafford because I want to see who.

I gotta be answered, Whitten is a question for me.

I'm not sure Witten's the first Battle Hall of Famer because we've had so many great tight ends now there.

It's like Witting's stats get kind of lost in the mix.

But but, but but that's the thing.

There is no Travis Kelce without Witting.

Like that's there's a reason he got called mister old Reliable with his slow ass and yet somehow would always be able to run straight for the touchdown.

But he had two First Team All Pros, two Second Team All Pros, eleven Pro Bowls, a Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, and then as far as his stats with the Cowboys, he has the most career receptions out of everybody, that includes Michael Irving, that includes all the people that have been there, most career receiving yards out of the entirety of the team at twelve and seventy seven.

Most receptions in a single game, which is eighteen.

I remember that game.

That game was crazy.

Most games played by any Cowboy at two hundred and fifty five, again, Old Reliable.

Most consecutive games started for the Cowboys one to seventy nine.

First tight end to reach one thousand receiving yards in a season.

He was the first one to do it, and then the first tight end to have at least sixty five receptions in consecutive seasons, and first player en franchise history to score in sixteen seasons.

So like, that's a lot of records that I agree.

I just don't know if that's going to be enough for people to kind of get him over the line as a first Battle But you're probably right.

He probably is a First Battle Hall of Famer.

But I think I think Rivers.

Get oh shit, he's got fourth receptions in NFL history at one twenty eight, all right.

I didn't even realize that he was number four in receptions in history.

Crazy bro, So.

I agree with you the four, But then I think it goes Rivers, Edelman, and then Shady and then everyone else after that.

So I don't I think Rivers and Edelman are real.

I think Rivers a lock.

I think Edmund's a real possibility.

I think Shady is a real possibility.

Daz is interesting, DEAs is kind of interesting.

So I does maybe on the second or third, yeah, yeah, yeah, if they keep if they keep nominating, maybe on like the second or.

Third, and Greg Olsen too, who I think is it was a damn good tight end but kind of gets lost in the life.

Well, but his commentating is some of the best in the NFL.

He fucking dwarf.

If that gets to go in as part of the thing, then in all honesty, you gotta if commentating goes in, you also have to throw in Rome.

I know that sounds crazy, but when you look when you look at his numbers, and then like, as an actual player, even though obviously there was the Curse of the Cow, was not really doing anything the playoffs, But when you look at his overall numbers and some of the things that he did were absolutely crazy, and then look what he does as a commentator, you know what I mean?

Like, I feel like I gotta put it out there.

If only they had said Dez caught the ball, that's right, goddam.

I have to go to one last thing.

He says, the Chargers was so unhappy with the Breeze that they drafted Manning then traded for Rivers instead.

That's a miss.

I don't know.

I thought I thought Rivers was great.

Yeah, they were unhappy with Breeze, But then that's the thing.

It's not about how you start, it's about how you finish.

A Hall of Fame career.

Is your career not not the beginning of stuff to the point where if Peyton Manning had decided to stick around for too long, yes he was in that decline, people would have start to question him.

You know what I'm saying.

Like he was smart enough that once he really started to feel like this is it, he kind of bout out and was like, I'm good.

Yeah, exactly, per all right, Well, I'm glad we got that because I know Winston really wanted to talk about that, and it was fun to talk a little bit of footballcause, man, you can smell the grass, Winston, you can smell the grass in the air.

We're only days away, weeks away from the NFL coming back college football as well, So I can't wait.

I can't wait.

We got to get through August and it's it's it's glory time again.

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