Navigated to ICE Operations in Minnesota Lead to Tragedy, AFC, NFC Championship Reactions - Transcript

ICE Operations in Minnesota Lead to Tragedy, AFC, NFC Championship Reactions

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1

Yo, what's going over?

What's going on?

Everybody?

Welcome to another brand new episode of Spilled the Tequila Here on the John Rocan Channel.

I am the titular John Roka, joined as always by the King of Swag himself, The Swagged Blurred Wins today.

Speaker 2

Marshall, how are you Winston?

You know, man, right, I'm not happy that the Patriots are in the Super Bowl, but I am happy that the Seahawks are in the Super Bowl.

Yeah, well, I'm pretty neutral, Okay, I'm very I'm very even this week.

What about you, man?

Yeah, it was a good game.

Speaker 1

Good well, it was one good game and one kind of sloppy game.

But we've got our Super all combatants.

It'll be in sunny California, so we'll be able to see for real who the best team is and so.

Speaker 2

It would be interesting.

Speaker 1

But I'm you know, I'm I'm in an interesting place.

Like it's been a you know, tough few days.

Those kinds of things happen that we're gonna talk about U mixed in with other stuff that's going on, you know, with like Wonder Man coming out tonight and which I think is a damn good series and put my review up already on the channel.

Uh and and we've got other stuff, you know, happening in our world.

So yeah, it's an interesting time right now out there, for God's sakes, Yeah, for.

Speaker 2

Sure it is.

It is an interesting time.

I what I'm really hoping.

Yeah, I haven't a little distracted.

I'm just trying to tweet out that we're live, but I am.

I am hoping that this is enough to wake people up.

There's a specific thing about what's going on with the ice stuff that is already problematic from people that are over it, that are like, this is this is unacceptable.

There's certain things that are being said, yeah, that are infuriating, and in a moment when we're all trying to kind of come together to rally against this, I implore people to take even two seconds before you just pop off at the mouth, because it runs the risk of undoing a lot of what is trying to be done.

And I know that sounds weird to like tone police people, but I'll explain when we really get into it.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, we're definitely going to get into some things here on the show.

Certainly, as you know, if you guys have seen from the headline and from the thumbnail.

We're all going to talk about the badness that's going on in Minnesota, which continues to go on today, the repercussions and the fallout of that.

Christy Nome possibly going to lose her job just came out on CNN that Senator Tom Tillis came out and said I think she should go.

So will that lead her to be fired?

We all know that Steven Miller is behind all of this, So what is the fallout with Steven Miller.

Apparently it was a high level meeting a couple of days ago or last night.

Steven Miller was not invited to that meeting, just Tom Holman, Christine Noman, Coylewandowski.

So what is the fallout of that.

We know that Greg Bavino has gone the Colonel Lockjaw route and they've removed him from power there over what happened in Minnesota.

So a lot of madness.

But I'll tell you this, for all the craziness that's going on there, I'm really buoyed by the fact that people responded like America responded.

Athletes have responded.

The National Basketball Players Association came out with a very strong statement.

Wem and Yama Wemby ignored the San Antonio Spurs pr guys who were telling him to not say anything, and spoke out about it as a young representative of the NBA, but also as an immigrant to the country here in the United States when he's from France.

And so there is so much that has come out the WNBA.

Of course Breonna Stewart coming out very strongly, and other players coming out very strongly.

Did Johnny Carrington coming out very strongly.

So you've got a lot of people who are coming out, and now you're hearing people even from the World Cup set Bladder, the former commissioner of the World Cup coming out saying maybe people shouldn't go to the World Cup, and a Dutch it was a German or Dutch a representative saying that we shouldn't send our team to the World Cup.

So there are ramifications here that are that are echoing throughout because people hit a wall with this seeing a young VA nurse who is someone who is dedicated his life to helping our troops and our service members who've gone to war or suffering through ratifications of war, was gunned down in the streets for simply peacefully protesting holding a phone having his hand up, as you can see in this shot that I have here holding a phone, having his hand up, no gun in his hand, no gun in his hand.

There was a gun in his back waistband, but he did not have a gun in his hand.

He is subdued by a bunch of guys.

Beat the shit out of him, disarm him, yell he's got a gun.

And according to the DHS report today, and I don't know how much faith I put in this report, he was shot by two of the people there and they apparently emptied their clips because he had ten bullet holes in him.

That's the report here, and it's a brutal, brutal murderer.

And the woman who filmed it has come out and been interviewed by CNN.

And we even had a confrontation with some people which will play just a second, who were there to give their witness statements, and ICE tried to intimidate them out of the building.

So a lot of drama coming out of this.

Winston.

For all the sadness and depression I felt on Saturday when all this was going down, seeing people react, seeing how quickly Trump is backtracking on this has been a bit of a surprise me, and it kind of helped me feel good about it.

What are your thoughts on all of this?

Man, Where are you at on all this?

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean where I'm at is just really really just like kind of heartbroken.

I guess you know you're you're talking about a scenario where just just just a lot of darkness and evil kind of taking over our society as a whole.

And and thinking back to school and learning about how Nazi Germany became Nazi Germany, and like word for word, bar for bar, like this is like to try and put some levity Drake, like like he stole I stole my whole motherfucking flow.

But then I look back on it and like it's not lost on me that it has been quoted multiple times, Yeah, that the Nazis got their inspiration from how America we're treating black people, Yeah, with Jim Crow and everything else like that, Like that's where they got a lot of the inspiration from.

It's not this is not a conversation about Israel and Gaza, but the fact that, like it has been quoted that the Israeli army has gone and learned tacards from LAPD and how they treat black and brown people as a means to determine how they are using force and and and enforcement over in Gaza.

So it's like the part of me that grew up truly believing in the goodness of humanity and the goodness of this country is heartbroken.

But the black man in me, which is a vast majority that has watched this happen time and time again, is rized.

I think I just wanted to believe that we were better than this.

Yeah, But I think similar to when you, you know, put your parents or your uncle or a teacher on a pedestal and then one day you get older and you realize they're human and they've done some fuck shit.

Yeah, it's that ugly realization.

So I think that's where I'm kind of at right now.

I think it's just crazy.

Again.

It's not surprising, but it's just crazy that the speed at which this is all happening this time is the issue.

Like, we flirted with this a little bit last term, yeah term, but to watch this happen in roughly thirteen months is insane.

Speaker 1

Yeah yeah yeah, but I mean we yeah, for all the things we see that can feel a little disheartening or overwhelming.

I am like buoyed by the fact that people are fighting back, that people are now speaking out about this stuff and posting about it.

I mentioned all the sports athletes.

Pedro Pascali spoke out it, Natalie Portman spoke out, Edward Norton spoke out about it, John Stamo spoke out about it.

People with a voice, and of course Mamdani in New York's called it straight up a murder.

Like some people are trying to police their language and not call it a murder.

He called it a murder straight up.

And what shouldn't shouldn't be happening.

And the thing that is insane about all of this too is that this is happening in a state where there was no problem documented with massive amounts of undocumented immigrants.

If you want to look at states that have that issue, that's Florida and Texas with it, which are both run by Republican governors.

But of course the CBP and so CVP's already there.

But like the ICE and other people, they're not going into those states because they know what they know what's going This is on purpose going after the political enemies of this man in charge, and for him to try to claim now Trump that you know, oh it was Christy Nome doing it.

It wasn't me.

It was Bovino saying those things.

It wasn't me.

This is all stemming from the top.

It's rotten from the top down.

And so to me, this is what frustrates the shit out of me.

This is actually a fascist doing stuff.

And people forget on one side of the aisle that don't tread on me applies to everybody Americans.

Are Americans liberal or liberal or conservative or what have you.

We don't want to get pushed around by our government in either side, you know.

Speaker 2

Yeah, And that kind of pushes me towards my response to them is what pushes me to the other thing I wanted to talk about.

There was a a self procrit proclaimed like you know, liberal, liberal white woman, yeah, who was on threads And this isn't the first time I've seen something like this, but this one went pretty viral recently, where she threaded out, tweeted out, whatever you're supposed to say there, can we just go back to regular police brutality please?

Oh my god, And someone immediately questioned her and said, ah, yes, the kind that only black and brown folks were yeah, right, growth elite this now and then she eventually deleted that and she put her response here where she says, I'm sorry for the hurd I cause my post came out of frustration at the state of the world that we find ourselves, and not towards any race.

I did what I thought was appropriate and removed the offending post and apologized profusely for the harm and recognize it's not an excuse.

If people spent more time myself included going after people with legitimate power who cause actual malicious harm instead of a nobody who tries to be a decent person who made a mistake and owns it.

I'll be continuing to work for meaningful change and growth in the world and within myself.

Thank you for this opportunity to learn and grow.

And even that is offensive because of the last part.

Yes, people spent more time myself included going after people with legitimate power who cause actual malicious harm, as if what you just said is not malicious harm, as if every black and brown person that saw your tweet or your thread didn't immediately go So you're just not cool with it now that it's specifically white people getting killed.

You were fine with it when black people who have been saying over and over and over again, and brown folcus too, let me not, let me not sit here and pretend.

But but obviously there has been more of a focus.

But they are affecting black and brown folk to the to the nd degree here, we've been saying that this is a problem.

We've been saying that this is the kind of law enforcement that that we see unfairly thrust upon us.

And for you to even remote fix your lips to say, let's go back to the way things were, this is where you see so many black people immediately look at, you know, Martin Luther King's letter from the Birmingham jail talking about the white moderate being the problem.

Yep, And to a certain extent, obviously, the big bad guy is is the problem.

Ice is the problem.

Trump is the problem.

I'm not pretending like they're not.

But the truth of the matter is, in order to go defeat Saarn, you need the elves to not be racist against the humans because they collectively need to fucking work together to go do that shit right.

And so this random idea that it's only the ones doing the actual harm that are the problem, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, because what you just admitted deep down in your core is that you are okay as long as you are safe, you don't give a fuck about what happens to anybody else, right, And that, to me is what I mean by like, I get the tone, Oh well, she's apologizing, you know, she necessarily means that way.

I know what I heard or read in this case, and I know what that hits me as.

So this idea to not take in legitimate feelings and to legitimately take your lickings here for fucking up, it's going to be part of the problem because this isn't We're now at a state because of how rough this is.

There ain't no going back to the way things were before I Scott to Minnesota.

Yeah, this is a point now where this all needs to be dealt with, and it needs to be dealt with to the nth degree, right, because otherwise we will be right back here in X amount of time.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Yeah.

And by the way, for those of you who are token, the elves are absolutely the liberal white elite, looking down on everybody else and deigning to help when they're when they feel like helping.

So no, le Bron's when you say the elms and the humans.

But it's true and you see that, and she's absolutely and you're absolutely right to call her out because she was ridiculous in the first post, insensitive, and in the second post trying to kind of passive aggressively attack people who are calling her out for what she did and trying to cloak it in that hole and me included is nonsense, is utter nonsense.

But yeah, I mean, that's the frustrating part of this whole thing is that even when people try to help the they put themselves right.

What did we read about with the me too movement?

Like black women and women of color were leading that movement, then, as Bill bur said in a stand up on SNL, white women put their big feet in front of them and push them to the back.

And that kind of stuff is the stuff you got to call out.

You know, too much of that stuff happens even on the liberal side of things, because sometimes people on the liberal side of things, he caught up in their self righteousness and they don't realize they're doing just as much harm in their self righteousness on their side the fence.

Then they think they're fighting against on the other side the fence.

It's ridiculous, correct that.

Speaker 2

Yeah, and so it's it's it's to that point why I have always been pretty hard on people that are considered part of a marginalized group when they grossly apply the same bullshit that those A lot of time we all want to collectively rally against.

So like John Leguizamo showing multiple times this colorism coming flying out of him, he doesn't catch passes for me, because again, if we're all trying to stop this, you can't be perpetrating the same issue.

I get extremely angry with black folk that are very homophobic or queer phobic, because you can't sit here and bitch and moan about America trying to take from you, to treat you as subhuman, try and kill you, and then you're the first group of people to go on about Batti boy and and and you know, immediately trying to discredit trans people and everything else.

You don't.

You do not get to cry victim and be an oppressor.

That's not how that shit works.

Speaker 1

Yeah, one hundred percent, one hundred percent, right, man.

I do want to bring this up so that we have like a little bit of commonality for some of you may have not seen this.

The New York Times put out a timeline of what happened with Alex's murder.

In my opinion, murder uh and so I want to make it sy here go Federie Soun killed.

So they've got this.

Forty eight seconds before the shooting, video show a small group of civilians standing in the middle of a street where a person was detained on the ground.

They're speaking to federal agents.

Mister Pretty, as you see there on the right, appears to be filming the scene.

He walks closer to fellow agents holding his phone.

Then an agent shoves two civilians from one side of the street to another, pushing them toward a white suv.

Pretty is right there filming it all.

For a second time.

The agent pushes the civilian with the orange backpack.

The civilian falls to the ground near the white suv.

I think it's a woman.

Mister Pretty tries to put himself between the DHS agents you see there and the two civilians.

Footage shows the same agent squirting pepper spray in the direction of mister Pretty's face.

This agent will later fire shots in mister Pretty.

Mister Pretty's holding the phone in one hand and he holds his other hand up to shield himself from the spray.

As you see there, mister Pretty appears to be trying to help the civilian with the orange backpack stand back up as the agent continues to pepper spray the group.

Mister Pretty, as you see there, is holding his phone.

Seventeen second before the shooting, several agents grab mister Pretty and he who is still holding his phone, additional agent's approach and try to pray mister Bretty to the ground.

Eleven second four, he's surrounded by a group of seven agents, some of whom have wrestled in the ground.

One of the agents, who wears a great coat, gets close to mister Pretty.

The agent's hands are empty as he reaches for mister Pretty, while the other agents hold mister Pretty downer's knees.

At the same time, another agent strikes mister Pretty repeatedly with a pepper spray canister as you see there.

Then, one second before an eighth agent joins the group, because of course, you need eight people to take one dude down.

The agent in the grey coat appears to pull a gun from near mister Predy's right hip.

As you can see that the agent that begins to move away from the skirmers with weapon.

At the same time, another agent unholsters his firearm and points it at mister Perdy's back.

Then the first shot is fired.

The agent in the great coat removes the weapon from the scene and matches the profile of the gun the DHS has below to mister Pretty.

Then, while mister Pratty's on his knees and unarmed and restrained, the agent standing directly above him appears to fire one shot mister Pretty close range.

He immediately fires three additional shots.

The diagram belows that shows the position of the agents.

Mister Pretty know the civilians at the moment you see there how many people are so?

How many blue dots?

Is a running his one orange dot?

And then additional fots are shots are fired from a distance.

He's already down and from a distance they unleash what is reportedly ten more shots.

Together, the fire six more shots of mister peridiewhe lies motionless on the ground.

At least ten shots appeared to have been fired within five seconds.

By the moment of the tenth shot, the Asian moved away with the weapon has crossed the street.

Uh and we see there and apparently they all ran off afterwards, because God forbid they stay and take responsibility for what they did.

It is horrific and there's no way to spin this in any other way but a straight up murder.

In my opinion, Yes, he had a gun, but he was not brandishing the weapon.

Speaker 2

Nope.

Speaker 1

And Christinome's stupidity that has the I d himself and this is these are stupid, flimsy covers they're trying to use to cover up with these people who they unleashed, untrained onto the public to do this kind of stuff.

Uh.

And now Bavino was saying, they're never going to reveal the identity of these people.

Since when are you allowed to murder American citizens with impunity and not face any consequences.

That is ridiculous with but.

Speaker 2

That is exactly why they're getting compared to the Gestapo.

They're busting in a billion with with with no warrant whatsoever.

They're using administrative warrants, which are not legally buying do that, so they're doing stuff like that.

They're not identifying themselves, they're they're just like before.

Now at least they're wearing vests that say ice on them, or they were wearing nothing but playing clothes and maybe some vests, but they weren't identified.

They cover their faces.

They don't give you a badge number, they don't give you a name, they give you nothing.

So you're not legitimate law enforcement because you were not identifying yourself.

You were doing whatever the fuck you want, even the FBI.

If the FBI is doing something undercover is one thing, But when it's actually time to make arrests and everything else like that, you were required by law to identify who the fuck you are.

To that point, you're not doing anything that falls under a legal law enforcement way to move.

You are actively moving around like domestic terrorists more or less because you are you are not actually now to that point keeping the public safe.

You have there's this is the ninth killing this skill alone from ice.

Yes, so like what are we what are we talking let alone the fact we didn't even talk about it yet.

There's not more details out But somebody in Arizona got shot by ice yet again, Yes, so there's not a lot of details out now.

I did hold on.

I still have the article.

I just need to back up.

But yeah, as NBC News is reporting, one person is in critical condition.

After being shot in an incident involving Border patrol in Arizona.

Person was injured into shooting Tuesday involving US Border patrol in Arizona, about ten miles north of the US Mexico border.

The person has not been identified.

The person who has not been identified was shot in southern Pima County near mile point fifteen of West r Vaka Road around seven thirty am this morning.

They were transported in critical condition.

Officers did not say that any law enforcement officers were injured.

The circumstances of the shooting were not immediately made clear.

The Department of Home Insecurity did not immediately respond to a request for a comment.

So that's all that's there now, if I'm sure.

Speaker 1

Yes, CNN has CNN has a little bit more, if I can add to your story here at Winston.

The federal agents apparently were attempting to stop a pickup truck near Arivaca, Arizona, shortly after seven am local time.

The person in the car did not pull over.

It eventually got out and ran, according to the sheriff.

The suspect was identified by the sheriff's department as thirty four year old Patrick Gary Schlegel, a US citizen from Swatahita, Arizona, which is about forty miles northeast at incident, apparently Schlegel, according to their report, fired at an Air and Marine Operations helicopter and had Border Patrol agents agents for turn fire, striking the driver.

The person was treated at the scene and taken to a local hospital in a medical helicopter.

So he's in critical condition but oh sorry, he's in serious but stable condition now after the surgery.

The federal agents were not injured.

So of course, as you said, we don't have information of why they were arrest in this part of what was going on with this situation, but clearly because what we see in Minnesota and what we see happening there, there is a possibility that people when they get pulled over by these law enforcement agents may fear for their lives in ways that they hadn't before.

As you mentioned, black people have been living with this for decades.

They had the fear of being pulled over by the cops and what could happen to you when dri WB but DWB.

But now you look at the situation, if this is happening to across this happening white people happening to other people, and it's people are like in a heightened state of fee of what might happen to them, especially when you see what Renee Good, who wasn't even armed, didn't he have, didn't even have a gun in her jeans or whatever, and she was shot through the face twice and murdered, you know, And so you have this kind of stuff and the actions they're taking are scaring the public and will lead to more interactions like this unfortunately, which is why this method is not going to work and is going to cause problems and battles and more deaths.

So this stuff needs to stop in my opinion.

Speaker 2

And I like, again part of the whole thing with if you don't know your history, you're bound to repeat it.

I mean, to that point again, it goes further than decades.

I mean, the origins of modern day policing really do lend themselves to the slave patrols that existed before we got to Jim Crow, and a lot of the tactics and things like that that are used all are interconnected with that.

So you know, it's just one of those things where it's like it's funny if you really want to know how bad things are and where they're where they're headed.

Yeah, you really do.

Just need to talk to black vote and yeah you will, and the answer will be made very apparent to you because it's it's here we are.

I like to say, here we are.

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Yeah, Unfortunately it's the truth.

But yeah, Alex pretty there was beautiful service by the VA, like they wheeled him in and there was a lot of an honor guard almost for him.

And it's just it's just all of it is just sad and so unnecessary.

Look, I want to make it clear, like immigration enforcement is should be a legitimate thing.

Of course, there are people who come across all the time.

Uh, and you come across in an undocumented way and becoming an undocumented immigrants.

Yeah, I'm not saying you know that there shouldn't be enforcement of the of the laws of the United of course, But the method with which they're doing this, the brutality with which they're doing this, the purposely going into blue states and blue cities in order to cause these kinds of interactions in order to spark these kinds of back and forth, that's the issue.

Anyone is telling you that they're not doing this in an antagonistic way is lying through their fucking teeth.

It is absolutely meant to spark this kind of a reaction.

What they didn't anticipate, I think is that it would blow up in their face the way it has.

I thought that.

I think they thought they were going to cause people to attack them and they could use that to impose martial law.

Instead, a good man was killed and murdered and a v a nurse, which makes it even more worse for them because that's a man who is taking care of our soldiers, our troops.

And so there's a lot of embarrassment and shame and everybody is responsible, from Trump on down for this madness.

Speaker 2

You know, yeah, and you know, I it's so wild.

It's not to say that there weren't already intentions there with Project twenty twenty five and everything else.

Sure, if you notice the increased crackdown has all happened because they still have thought released the fucking Epstein files.

Yeah right, this is this was as much as a game plan, yea, to impose a white nationalist agenda that twenty Project twenty twenty five has been as it is the perfect scapegoat nobody has been talking about, said that Epstein files essentially since Renee Good got shot, they were kind of about to and then this happened.

Like and that's the thing is that, like that they're both equally horrendous things that need to be addressed.

But like, I am not surprised at all that this administration is pushing harder and faster right now because things were looking.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, and they can.

There was a few days ago there was a motion by the DOJ to stop the court from assigning an independent monitor to the Epstein files who would release all the Epstein files that they thought were good to be released.

Not the DOJ, not the FBI, the CIA, or Pambondi, but an independent person.

And they filed a motion to try to stop that from happening.

Why because they know it will absolutely show horrific stuff that went on behind the scenes.

And by the way, Democrat, Republican and everything in between and everything outside of that, whoever was involved, they should be exposed if they were doing horrific shit, their pedophilia, what have you, raping, a sexual assaulting, whatever it is that they were doing there, it should all come out into the light.

You know, there are very few Democrats, I think I've heard any who would say like, no, no, don't put out anything that the Democrats were involved in and Clinton was involved in.

Only Trump people want everything out, you know.

Speaker 2

And I think that if you had, if you had anything to do with it, if you covered it up, if you did it, you you can all get God, you can all you can all go to jail.

You can all face the consequences of your actions.

Nobody is covering for anything, which is again why I get so annoyed so angry with like the Maga side of things of like you said, moving the goalpost.

So it's like, oh, oh, why did you bring a gun to a protest?

Okay, so then why did Colin Rittenhouse decide to show up gun gun actually drawn, looking for trouble and then actually killing somebody, Like don't don't do that ship, don't like like miss me with that ship, like you you need to keep the same motherfucking energy.

And that to me is I think the part that's the problem is that again you look at the Epstein files, every everybody that considers themselves liberal, when they come up with what if Bill Clint's on that, then Bill Clinton go to jail, right, Like there's there's no, there's no he was a hero.

No no, no, no, he can go if he had anything to do with that ship.

Speaker 1

Yes, exactly, exactly, yeah, and another section of fuck around and find out.

I mean here is here is uh Latina's for Trump.

Co founder Ileoni Garcia begs Trump to stop the ice rates.

What did you think was gonna happen?

Kipin Samas came up.

Speaker 2

You were the one that was.

Speaker 1

Out here pushing this ship and crowing about it because you thought you were gonna get yourself some money, some pesos.

Motherfucker, and now you see what happened.

You helped to bring this out, and now our people are being murdered.

Our people are being rounded up, our houses are being broken into.

You're part of the problem, people like you who put this person in charge.

You see this happening so frustrating.

I I.

Speaker 2

You know, I don't know if you've seen it.

It's become a thing on black Twitter.

Every time you see a proud mag of you that was bragging about the Trump anything, and then all of a sudden they want to come crying back it.

Immediately black people just start posting that video.

I will vote for Donal Trump because it's just like you're gonna vote for your own demise.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 2

Literally, like when it started off at first and it was just like oh no, like yeah, Latilla's like he's not a bad person, Like he didn't he doesn't deserve It's like you did vote for donal Throat, like what he literally told you what he was gonna do, and and anybody that took him and like, well he said just the bad ones.

He thinks you're all bad.

There's a reason he kept pointing out how racist he is, and they're like, he just said the thing that's not race.

Okay, all right again this idea that that you know, black people were overreacting to things, or like, yeah, women say stuff in saying that women are overreacting to things.

It is until it gets pointed right at you and then all of a sudden, you're like, why did anybody do anything?

Oh, we tried to stop it from happening, kiss my ass, Like I don't.

Speaker 1

Was it the leopard eating my face?

Yeah?

Speaker 2

Exactly, literally literally, this is the leopard eating your face.

Speaker 1

I love what Calvin said, just the bad ones.

Wherever I heard that before, Yeah, exactly exactly that kind of shit.

It all repeats, it all repeats, Yes, it's it's such a shame.

I sent this video to Winston.

I know, Winston, you posted it on your on your Instagram, on your social media.

We got to you said, we dropped this queen.

We gotta take a look at this one.

Here, I'm gonna bring this up.

This is a woman who was the woman in the pink coat that courageously photographed Alex Peretti's cold blooded murdered the woman in the pokon address, who give the figure to the Ice agents on Canal Street and Sherlin.

These random horror acts will reclaim our democracy, Minneapolis will show us.

As posted by Sandy Bokam.

But take a look at this.

This is a woman who is being confronted by Ice agents.

Speaker 2

By the way, just as a quick quick aside, this is actually an old video.

I've been I've been notified of.

This isn't recent.

This is some point in the fall of last year's You can even see at the bottom it says twenty twenty five.

It's notwithstanding.

This is the correct energy in my opinion, and it shows who these Ice agents are so.

Speaker 1

Right, First of all, take the Yankees cap on you disgracing the fucking logo.

This is the guy I.

Speaker 2

Wish the yes, the is.

Speaker 1

We don't like none of you?

Okay, No, how can I be okay?

Speaker 2

You're okay?

Are you okay?

Look?

Speaker 1

Look how threatening you step into her looking at chewing the gum.

That's all wish you try me and see what the fuck happened?

Then be angry all of us as just look at him standing behind another dude, like how what kind of a man are you standing by another man to try to intimidate a woman.

Speaker 2

Who you're telling get out of here?

Why are you telling me.

Speaker 1

Get out of here?

Speaker 2

You'd asked me a question and.

Speaker 1

I'm answering you.

Speaker 2

Fuck wrong?

Would you?

Oh?

Stupid ass bit?

That's why you're not a high you want to get?

Speaker 1

You want to go to John to watch him approaching her in a threatening man?

What are you gonna do?

You can't.

Speaker 2

That's why I kissed.

Don't like your wife?

Speaker 1

Is I'm America.

Speaker 3

To take me to Hi?

Speaker 1

I'm shot?

Speaker 2

You know what to do?

Tell you?

Speaker 1

No?

No, no, you want me.

Speaker 2

Put that on the Newslet bro okay, I got another one for you, just to show again how these cowards are, because this is another one that I had found myself.

Haskell resent it to me.

Speaker 1

Oh, yes, this one.

Speaker 2

This dude is crazy.

What you know, I'll tell you this.

You erase your boys, I raise your boys.

If I raised my voice, you'll erase Yeah.

Are you serious?

You said?

If I raise my voice, you'll erase my voice?

That Like again, you have let jack boot thugs who have had power fantasies that were losers, their their wife's fucking on them, all of that ship you have elect or they're just violent, insane motherfuckers.

You have allowed them to be the main crux of an organization that is spending its time going around and torturing people on what has become a full blown racist mission.

You haven't seen, Like the funny thing is, you haven't seen say, like, uh, you know a super rich like Trump ally like at a you know, fucking Switzerland that their visas expired.

You don't see them getting run down by ice, beaten the hell out of and all that.

The only white people you've seen ultimately getting killed in that regard or two and in a sense they're out here protesting about how this is inhumane.

Right, you know what I'm saying, This is not like so That's the other element of this that is just so disgusting and foul.

Yeah, is you have allowed these people to do that, and now they're even further in boldened to say things like you raise your voice out erase my voice.

As a law enforcement official, because of the First Amendment, people can say whatever the fuck they want to you.

If you start to get into hate crime territory, then they can look into potentially arresting you and shit like that.

But they are allowed because of freedom of speech to say what they want.

You do not get to kill somebody because they called you a bitch.

That is literally pathetic, sad behavior.

So that's that is the thing that's going on.

That's wild.

And anybody that cannot fucking see that you were either willfully ignorant, you were actually a part of the problem and you were you were encouraging this to go on, or you were in a cult for the last fucking time.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Absolutely, And listen, adults, I mean children are not immune to this.

Whence this happened today?

Video from this morning shows shows Ice agents deploying tear gas outside of Minneapolis preschool as parents shout this is a preschool, there's kids here.

You can see this.

Look at this.

Look and now he throws.

Speaker 2

Throwing at somebody that called you right, this is the kind of children you're dealing with.

Speaker 1

Look at this, you know, And I thought, I think the National Guard.

I thought the National Guard was supposed to come down.

But here they are launching tear guys in near a preschool.

One soldiers like, what are we doing?

Man Like they're making all these moves and dropping all these people from positions, but they're still carrying out these horrific actions here on purpose to antagonize, to irritate, to cause a reaction so they can turn the narrative.

The thing they really want is for protesters to shoot these people, these cops and these ICE agents and these CBP agents, so they can use that as a reason to commit Marshall and then do that in all the blue states.

The fact that Pam Bondi sent a letter to Tim Walt saying, we can stop this right now if you cooperate with us and turn over the voter rolls.

That's what this is all about.

They want to fix these elections.

They want to rig these elections.

They were the ones that have always wanted to rig the elections from the beginning.

It was never the Democrats.

It's the horrible truth, a ridiculous man.

Speaker 2

And I just I just again, and I see, I see Curtis is back in here, and he's defending some of this stuff.

Yes, you cannot make violent threats to a cop, but raising your voice and calling them a motherfucker is not a means to be arrested or killed or anything else.

Yes, if you run up on a cop and you look like you're gonna swing with a weapon or anything else, they are allowed to defend themselves.

Speaker 1

Of course that is.

Speaker 2

Nobody is saying that you can't do that, but that is not the shit that's happening.

Yelling it's a preschool motherfucker does not mean the cop can then turn around, pick up tear gas and throw it into a crowd like that's that's literally, Yeah, fascist gestapo shit.

Stop pretending like it's not and defending any corner of it is disingenuous.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I mean, by Curtis's logic.

The other night, when Kevin Durant was going at it with that fan on the sideline and the fan said to him some pretty horrific shit, Kevin Durant was within his rights to haul off and beat the shit out of that guy and suffer no repercussions.

That's the legitimacy.

That's the fallacy of your logic is saying that these people cannot be cussed at.

That's literally part of the job sometimes, just like it's part of the job that people say you get paid millions to get yelled at by the fans and said the most horrific shit yelled at you.

That's the game.

Well, these people take the job knowing what the game is.

They get paid the salary they get paid, but they accepted to take that salary.

And yes, sometimes you're gonna get cused out.

Sometimes you're gonna get yelled at.

That is part of the game.

If you are an untrained child, then you're going to react in a violent way.

And by the way, you're the person with weapons.

You're the person who is illegally sanctioned and legally allowed to legally allowed but legally, you have your weapons on you legally and you can use them as you see fit.

As opposed to unarmed people just yelling insults at you.

There's two different things.

Speaker 2

And so frustrate, like, I'm not gonna get in a back and forth with one person in the chat, but once again he said, the tear gas is used all the time.

And you know the actual legal reasons that law enforcement can use tear gas good riot controlled, see riot.

No, it's dispersing unlawful assemblies.

Didn't see that there either, because they're fully far away and they're just filming or managing barricaded suspects that like are like in a bank or things like like that, are that are holding hostages and shit like that.

None of that applies there.

And that is the fucking point.

Stop defending the indefensible.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, the only people I see defending this kind of stuff like that, like that dork Tim Cook talking about it's my boot, my boots, your little child's boot ain't on anybody's neck, boy.

And you see these people talking all that tough shit, and you're just like, come on, get the fuck out of you, you know, uh, none up and get out there if you really think you if you're really gonna talk all your shit.

And this is the thing you see you here, it's too much of that.

People are opting power through other people stepping up and doing these things, and it's all got to stop because it's all meant to antagonize.

And again I say this from a place of being a I'm a former military guy.

I served eight years in the army.

I understand the situations.

There are rules that you need to follow.

There's absolutely rules about undocumented immigrants.

Absolutely, But there's a way to do it that doesn't spark riots and fights like this out in the street, endangering people and causing the murders of two people, nine people overall, but two people recently.

It's all got to stop, like, it's really got to stop.

I don't see it happening.

I don't see it stopping because Trump is too invested in trying to impose martial law and become authoritarian figure.

But it's too frustrating to see this on the streets.

It's got to stop because it will eventually blow up.

Sadly, it will eventually blow up because people are getting fed up with this stuff.

You know, they tried to antagonize LA They tried to spark a reaction that couldn't get one.

They try to spark a reaction in Chicago, they couldn't get one.

They tried to spark a reaction New York, they couldn't get one.

But in Minnesota, they got one, you know, because Minnesota, man Midwest, they don't fuck around.

So it's a situation that we see.

So so anyway, and we'll see what happens, because it's I think represented Rokana wants to push the Democrats to make it a requirement for that new DHS bill that these agents have to wear have to not wear masks and wear id badges on them.

And it's come out this week that ICE or ICE people in the head of Ice are afraid that if they make that a condition, seventy five percent of their workforce will quit because they don't want to get outed and because they're embarrassed and what their families will think of them and what their friends will think of them, because a lot of these people are doing it undercover.

Speaker 2

And so as I as I quote tweeted that exact thing that I also saw come out in the news.

Speaker 1

Yeah good.

Speaker 2

If that's if it gets that many people to quit, yeah good.

Yeah, as one of two things happened.

Either you follow the law, yeah, or you don't need to have your job.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Yeah.

Speaker 2

There is no ifsands or butts about that shit.

Yeah, stop acting like jack boot thugs own some responsibility for the shit that you're doing.

Yeah, and that's it.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I think another reason they don't want to get exposed Winston is that there's been reports coming out, rumors coming out that a lot of these people are the Proud Boys, the Oathkeepers, the January sixth people.

And if that comes out, that you're really going to if that comes out, you're really going to underline the fact that these are people you hire to be a secret police force.

You didn't train them to do anything, and you're sending them out into the streets to attack a lot of people of color.

Yes, some white people have died, but a lot of people of color and antagonize communities, immigrant communities a purpose with no control, and that is dangerous, very very dangerous.

Speaker 2

You know.

Speaker 1

So yeah, we'll see what this all ends up.

But you know, I thanks for thanks for being open to talk about it.

Speaker 2

But of course, man, I mean it was it was a heavy thing that needed to be discussed.

I hate that I'm gonna have to do it again tomorrow for blurts in the hood.

Oh yeah, yeah, again needs to be rediscussed.

And and you know, obviously the convlation that the convilations.

The conversations will be somewhat parallel, but there's always gonna be a little bit of a different thing in terms of like me and you as a black and brown man talking about it, black men talking about it, et cetera.

So you know, it'll just be a different conversation.

Lord knows, I will probably do something tomorrow too, unfortunately, So hope you know it is what it is.

But why don't why don't we talk some NFL Let's let's wash wash our brain.

Speaker 1

Well, well, first let me ask you about this.

Did you get a chance to see the trailer today?

Speaker 2

Did you?

I did not.

I was working up until we had the show, unfortunately.

Speaker 1

Okay, I just wanted to see if maybe you got a chance to see the trailer.

But if not, yes, well I thought the trailer was fine.

For those of you who watched, let us know what you thought about it.

But let's move on to Steve.

As Winston said, he let's move on to some NFL action.

We had some really good games.

Oh that's a terrible picture.

I'm gonna take that down, I thought.

Sorry, guys, sometimes I'm a little too fast on the saving the picture before the pictures fully loaded and I pay the price for that.

But we had a hell of a weekend of championship games here with the Patriots taken on the Broncos and the Rams taken on the Seahawks, and pretty much what most people predicted came about in that the Patriots won over the backup Jared Stidham and the Seahawks took care of business themselves against these Rams in Seattle, and the hell of a game.

Now, let's put up a better picture for God's sake.

Sorry about that, everybody, So you can get a look at these quarterbacks who were part of it.

There you have them all there being a part of it.

And some sadness though with the Rams going out Stafford.

You know, it's hard to believe this Winston, but he's been there for five years now with the Rams, and so the fact that he had a real shot at going bad a second back a second time and they couldn't get the job done.

The defense is kept letting Darnold light them up with Jigba.

It's a shame, man.

Speaker 2

Yeah, I mean I think it's more that's more on.

I would argue I think that the biggest culpra here was McVeigh it has been known that like the defense, yeah, stood, but there's certain things that haven't worked very well.

And it has been well known that their special teams is a problem.

They lost a number of games due to their special teams and so like, for example, one of the scoring drives out of Seattle came off of the botched punt, where you would argue defense had really done some work to the Seahawks that drive hot comes.

You take out Kyron Williams because you're for you.

You literally what's wild to me about this is I think about Tony Romo when I saw that botched punt.

Because Kyron Williams has been their punt returner, you were worried about wearing him out, so you decided to put somebody in literally in the eleventh hour.

This is the second most important game of the at the time, it's the most important game, but in theory, because you're trying to get to the Super Bowls, the second most important game of the year, and so you put a new person back there, not because of injury, just because you're like, oh, I'm worried about a thing.

There's a reason why after Tony Rombo fumbled that field goal hold, they stopped allowing the backup quarterback to be the field goal holder, and the punter became the field goal holder, and then then you would find somebody else after that as the backup for that person, because in that situation, Tony was the backup most of the year, got promoted to starter and was still out there holding fuhgals, which he had no business doing as it started to be in what world does it make sense to do this?

So, like, I actually think this is less on Stafford because you look at his numbers and they were pretty good.

Oh, he was great to Darnald, And this is actually on McVeigh.

You have the head coach.

The buck stops with you on all phases of the game.

You're not just the offensive play caller.

It's not just you and Matt versus the world.

The fact that you didn't fix little things with your defense, and you didn't fix the special teams problems is exactly why you ultimately then got embarrassed because like you look at the Seahawks and they're complete from top to bottom.

Their special team is incredibly good like that, Yeah, punter is a very accurate punter.

Rashid Shaheed has how many touchdowns yeah, and in just the second half of the season because he got traded here how many punt return and kick return touchdowns or just for a lot of distance for great field positions.

So you know, I don't necessarily feel bad for the Rams.

You gotta ring within the last couple of years.

Stafford will most likely win MVP.

We'll see what ends up happening, because the voting happens obviously before the playoffs, so it's not like that can influence it.

But we'll see.

Man.

I mean, I'm really for the Seahawks.

I think that this is a really great especially above all else the fans outside of my my fiance and her and her family that are big Seahawks fans.

It's whatever you've gotten as someone that hasn't seen even sniffed a conference championship since then you got to ring and went to a couple within the last yeah less something like that, right some around that some around that time.

I'm really happy for people like Sam Darnold, who the world really written off and it was just proof that you had the wrong people around you to help you become who you were meant to be, and it had ramifications.

It was you were literally a bad job made you bad at what you do, like people put a stink on you and things like that.

And until you found the right people that believed in you and knew how to speak to you and to elevate your game, then you got to where you're supposed to be.

So I'm really that that is the person above all else that I'm the most excited for the how this all went is Sam Darnold.

Man.

I think it's an incredible story.

Speaker 1

I agree.

I'm looking forward to him playing well.

I hope he plays well one last game, playing well and then shut up all the doubters, shut up all the haters, because you gotta do it consistently.

And so him having these big games in the playoffs, especially against the Rams, who had been his boogeyman, it was an incredible performance.

I mean, some of those balls were beautiful with gorg sipped in there.

It was amazing to watch.

And it isn't like this Rams defense wasn't dog shit.

They're good defense, not great defense, but a good defense.

It was amazing to watch that kind of stuff and see what he can do.

Now he's playing a Patriots defense which has gotten stronger every game in the playoffs.

And they take a lot of Their big thing is turnovers.

I think they're the team with the third highest number of turnovers that have been taken in the playoffs ever in the history of the playoffs.

That's an incredible stat for them to have going into a game against Donald, who has been known to be turn over prone in the playoffs and in big games.

And even this year he led the league in terms of quarterbacks with the most turnovers from one quarterback.

So he's been playing great the last few weeks and if he continues that, I think he'll eventually beat the Patriots because the Patriots Drake May has not looked like a world beater in the playoffs.

And you can argue, you know, the conditions in New England and in Denver we're not great with the snow and the sleet and the raining and all of that.

But he's gonna get sunny California to play in now.

So we'll see for sure who's the better team when it's all said and done.

But you know, I think shout out to the Patriots, Roxy and all of them are really Snyder, all of them are happy.

But I have a feeling that it's the Seahawks year and their due.

Drake is young, he will have many shots to get back in there.

But this is darnold like, this could be the beginning of a little bit of a mini dynasty with these Seahawks, with that defense, that coach, and that quarterback.

Speaker 2

I mean, and it very much could be the beginning of a dynasty.

Not even even if they lose.

You got to win to be a dynasty.

But as far as being a premier team, I think that the Patriots have already proven that they're about to be a premier team in the AFC all over, Yes, But I think specifically this is where the conversation.

I think that the confidence from winning is there, but this is where, like, let's just take an honest look at the Patriots over the course of this playoff run and the season, and in all honesty, the best indicator of what's about to happen is what happened to the Eagles.

I know it sounds like I'm just finding another chance to shit on the Eagles, But what was the one thing I kept saying both back in twenty three, but all of this year you were not winning.

Pretty nobody's saying that it's a beauty contest but you're not winning because it's like, yo, we put our foot up day ass also then against crazy like good competition.

So in this case with the Patriots, people have brought up their strength of schedule.

Yes, you still had to win those games.

Yes, it is still the NFL any given Sunday, I am not taking away the second place record or anything else like that.

Right, it allows for the question, Okay, but what do you do when you're playing against some of the best defenses in the league.

Because you look at the defenses that he was playing previously and it wasn't very good.

Then look at these three playoff games.

Yeah, these defenses rattled Drake May and that offense.

It's just that the offenses of these teams were so bad and your defense was good enough to capitalize on that.

It gave you opportunities to ultimately win and then took cap it all off with the Broncos there, Yeah, yes, Stidham looked rattled once they started to figure shit out and they started putting all this pressure on him.

But at the same time, you scored only ten points against the second her third best defense in the league.

As far as that goes, you like the Chargers who were a top five defense rattled you.

The Texans if they had any quarterback other than Shroud probably win that game the way that defense abused you.

And again the Broncos defense in in that weather, when you have a solid running game you could lean on like that still held you to ten.

So like it's I think now that you're going up against a team that is complete top to bottom, I think what we're about to see is a scenario of what happened to the Eagles of like, and now you really have to go up against somebody that wants it and it is equipped to do something about it.

So let's see what happens.

If they win, then we have to shut up and go damn dude.

Now they always had it and maybe there was something to that, because maybe it wasn't the perfect game, but they've got the right sauce in the formulas there and it doesn't matter who they're playing.

But every indicator showed the Seahawks about to get in that ass.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like they're salivating at being able to run through that O line and get to a second year quarterback.

Because Drake was struggling against those Broncos.

The Broncos were living in the backfield against those Patriots.

And if the if bot Nicks plays, the Broncos win that game.

And I tell you right this, I hope if Josh Allen was watching that game, I bet he cried all through that game because Josh Allen would have won that game.

Josh Allen would have beaten the Broncos.

And he's in the fucking Super Bowl against those against those Seahawks, which would have been an amazing game.

Speaker 2

So quick really means for the record, the Eagles beat Love Stafford, Jayden, Dagils, and Mahomes on the Super Bowl run.

I gave you props for the Super Bowl run, I said twenty three and this year.

And I'm specifically using you as an example because it's the best one for one of what we're seeing right now.

You can come up with another example.

I'm happy to use that one instead.

But it's just the idea of somebody that was winning hella games but didn't look good while they were doing it, and then when it was crunch time, it was a problem.

That's all I'm saying.

I see a similar trajectory with the Patriots of yes, you guys won these games.

Yes, God damn look at Drake may go.

But again, what happens now when DeMarcus Lawrence is in your face and you're getting swarmed by the dark side and Sam Darnold can throw for three ninety five and three touchdowns versus a Jared Stidham who literally gave you your only touchdown because instead of taking the sack where you were gonna punt on the next play because it was like third and four, he was trying to be the hero or he got rattled because he hasn't been in this position, and he said and threw the ball set up on like the ten yard line.

Speaker 1

So dumb, so dumb.

If Stdham had and this is why he's not started in the NFL, you know, if he had been a little small in a couple of moments.

And of course, of course I think Sean Paige deserves a lot of blame for that fourth and one call not going for the field goal and in what would have been a snowy eventually a snowy field.

It just was a dumb move in the other doesn't mean they would have still they would have won the game, but you go up two scores, that's a mental thing in the playoffs and that defense could have defended that ten to nothing score possibly for the rest of the game for sure.

Speaker 2

The same thing about McVeigh, because people said as well, if he had, you were down four down.

If you're down, if you kick that field goal when you try to go for it, you're only down one now, So then all you have to do to get into contention is to get within field goal range.

Speaker 1

Right.

Speaker 2

But now because you did, that's it touchdown or nothing.

And then that pressure is completely different when you have no timeouts and everything else, Like now you actually have to march the entire field versus marching about fifty five to sixty down the field and try and kick a long field goal, you know what I'm saying, Like, I think the most of the failings these playoffs.

It's not to say that certain players didn't f up and and and like Ceed de Stroud and and Justin Herbert for example, were just atrociously bad.

Just Allen deserves some blame for what he did in that last game.

Speaker 4

O surestely, Yeah, but there's a lot of bad coaching that happened in the playoffs, and it wasn't necessarily like they were bad the entire game, but in crucial decisions.

Speaker 2

They really screwed the pooch and it and it played out later in the game.

Speaker 1

Yeah, that's what separates the greats from the goods or the pretty goods, is those critical moments and decisions they made.

But Winslet's there's other stuff to talk about here, the Broncos.

Speaking of the Broncos, they just fired their offensive coordinator, Joe Lombardi here about an hour ago.

So he said Sean Payton that Sean Payton said the team's offense quote didn't do enough to earn a Super Bowl trip.

I mean, I don't think it was Lombardi who was called that fourth and one play, But okay, if you say so, Sean Bayden.

Speaker 2

Uh.

Speaker 1

And so they've let him go out of this, out of the out of Denver.

The Bills promote Joe Brady to the head coach.

Now, their offensive coordinator is now the head coach on a five year deal.

And your boy, your boy, Mike McCarthy is now the coach of the Pittsburgh Steeler.

Speaker 2

Yeah, boy, that's not that's not my boy.

Speaker 1

This boy he's already becoming a meme for the way he started his Pittsburgh news conference.

I don't know if you saw that, but the rubbing of the hands.

Uh, this is I'm gonna play it.

Let's take a look at it real quick, everybody.

But here he is starting the press conference.

Speaker 2

All right, here we go, thank you.

Speaker 1

I think the rubbing of the hands, y'all.

The rubbing of the hands.

So that's the situation there with him.

Speaker 2

Goofy is like just coach I've ever seen brood.

Somebody sent me a tweet that said, like, the Steelers firing a Mike who hasn't been relevant since two thousand and eleven as far as getting to a super Bowl, to hire a mic that hasn't been relevant since twenty eleven in regards to getting to a super Bowl is crazy.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I love this.

I love this Steelers, Steelers fans getting Mike McCarthy after two decads and Mike Tomblin.

It's a little bit the same jacket.

He's owner.

It's so perfect.

It's so perfect.

It's so perfect, Oh my god, so perfect.

I've been there, man, I've been there.

I've gotten the same present more than once my family.

But anyway, so that's the situation there.

We'll see what happens with the Steelers in Mike McCarthy.

Maybe it's a good fit.

Maybe's from that area.

His dad, I think, coached in the area.

So we will see.

And he says he definitely would like to see Aaron Rodgers return, so we'll see if that happens.

The Jets also fired their offensive coordinator Tanner Engstrong.

He is out of this.

Glenn fired Aaron Glenn the coach seven assistant coaches, not counting defensive corner Steve Wilks, who was dismissed with three games remitting in the season.

So what does that say about you as a head coach that you fired essentially eight assistant coaches in your season.

That tells me that you are a terrible assessor of coaches and you hired some pretty terrible guys.

Man, it does not bode well.

Speaker 2

Bro, I am, I am, Yeah, that's wild.

I really I'm really worried about Aaron Glenn because I actually really like Aaron Glenn a lot, and I think that he does he's a strong defensive mind.

But this might be another one of those scenarios of like not.

It's been really interesting watching in corporate America.

They've started to develop paths that aren't automatically putting you into leadership roles.

There are people that like, are very good at code, they don't need to be a manager, you know what I'm saying.

Where now you're the senior VP of engineering where you have no idea how to actually boss other people around.

You just know how to do the numbers.

This may be another scenario, and that would make me sad because again I like Arin Glenn where he's a great DC, but he's not meant to be a head coach.

Yeah.

Speaker 1

I think the Jets facility of being part of the Jets organization is like that San Francisco facility where you get injured more because of the isotopes or whatever.

I think there's something mental that happens to you when you join the Jets organization that causes you to be moll messed up.

Speaker 2

There's got to be mold in the building walls because I don't know what happens.

Everybody just slowly starts to just crumble.

I don't get it.

I don't understand it, but like it's just you.

Speaker 1

Just Sam Darnold's in a Super Bowl.

Winston Gino Smith revitalized his career after he left the Jets.

Aaron Rodgers got to the playoffs after he left the Jets.

I mean, it's just like it's the real thing, man, It's the real thing.

Also, what's your thoughts on this?

Mike McDaniel hired as the new offensive coordinator for the Chargers, and dable Brian Dabele was hired as the as as the Giants offensive coordinator himself, so by the Titans.

The Titans hired Brian Dabole.

Speaker 2

Bro I thought you said he was hired by the Giants.

They fired him, and then Sehn Harball goes, Yo, Dabel, you want to come run the same offense, but under my tootle, I'll just be the one in charge.

You can just come up with these plays.

I thought that's what you said.

I said, sir, Sir.

Speaker 1

I don't think cam Ward and h and dab All is going to be a good combination man in my opinion, Winston, But we'll see.

I don't know.

Speaker 2

I gotta give I got I like it.

It will depend because what I've seen, honestly, with a lot of Dabells offenses, he needs a strong running game to make it work.

So the question is who do they go get it running back?

Because Hollard is is like that, Yeah, that's about it.

And then are Spears just isn't the guy?

Maybe he takes a step forward, but there hasn't been anything to show, like yep, yep, he's got something extra special.

So like if they can figure out a run game to help take some of the pressure off of Cam Warden because it's the dable special, you'll give time for Cam to develop and all that kind of stuff.

So we'll see.

As we got to talk about the biggest news in the NFL, though.

Speaker 1

Go ahead, go ahead, bro, it's gonna bring it up maybe, but go ahead, what is it?

Speaker 2

How in the ever loving fuck is Bill Belichick not a first ballot Hall of Famer.

I don't care what you think about the Patriots.

I don't care what you think about Belichick and his disposition and his girlfriend that is Yoko ooing his life right now, that man is.

If he is not a first ballot Hall of Famer, then who the fuck is that?

O?

Speaker 1

Regious Listen, I thought you can talk about Sorda Sanders being a Pro Bowl quarterback, but sure.

Speaker 2

We'll go into Bill Belichick caps that's its own level of half.

But that's not nearly.

Speaker 1

I agree.

I agree to quote Peter King, the great Peter King, who used to be the Sports Illustrated What the fuck?

Oh fuck, you know it's it's a direct quote.

There's a direct quote of Peter King when he heard the news.

Yeah, I was pretty shocked about it.

But it's come out over the last hour that.

Speaker 3

Apparently Bill Pollian, the old Colts executive, was working the people in the room to get them to not vote for Bill Belichick and telling them to give him a year because of the spy Gate controversy and the deflate Gate controversies, and.

Speaker 1

So that's what they They essentially was saying he cheated.

So sometimes you make enemies for the rest of your life.

And Bill Pollian is a noted Patriots hater, and there's no greater revenge for him at this point now than to make Bill Belichick wait one extra year to get into the Hall of Fame.

It is brutal, brutal.

Speaker 2

Bro this, like the difference is in this case it's like, Okay, well we caught your cheating type ship.

But like this, this feels like Michael Jordan, keep it.

Isaiah Thomas, Oh, that is crazy.

I I pray day in and day out that one day the Lord will make me as petty as someone like a Bill Pully to go, Nah, bro, we're gonna whip these votes to this shame I'm not which you're not about to do on my watch.

Speaker 1

Oh oh bitch, damn.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

This is from what is it?

This is from ari myrov there he said.

From the ESPN report, Bill Pollying was a vocal figure in the Hall of Fame deliberations evolving Belichick, with Spygate and de flake Kate coming up among voters during discussions.

Per a voter who spoken honestlymously, pollyon the former Bills and Colts GM and longtime Patriots rival, told some voters, you believe Bill Belichick should quote wait a year as penance for Spygate.

That is a barutal uh.

And I think he essentially pulled what what's her face pulled in Game of Thrones Diana Rigg when she said tell Olena Tyrell, when she said tell Sirc it was me.

Speaker 2

So a quote from ESPN.

Speaker 1

Remembers, and so does Bill Polly's Bill poland doo, that's crazy, veteran Hall voter said total ESPN on Tuesday.

Speaker 2

The only explanation for the outcome was the cheating stuff.

It really bothered some of the guys.

Speaker 1

Yeah, clearly.

I don't think it bothered any of the writers, but I bet it bothered some of the players.

Speaker 2

And you needed forty out of the fifties, so like that's that's that's all.

You just needed ten people to go.

Yeah, now that wasn't cool.

That's great, dude.

Yeah damn.

I didn't even I honestly did not think about it.

But yeah, you don't think that.

You don't think that that's gonna There's no way if they do the same shit to Brady because of this, right, No, No.

Speaker 1

I don't think.

I think Brady gets aways confiant, And I'll tell you why, because Brady has been a steward of the game.

Like Brady has been positive about the game.

Brady went to Tampa Bay and redeemed himself and won a Super Bowl that way.

Brady is now an announcer for the NFL commercials for the NFL.

I think Brady's gone a complete direction, whereas Bill Belichick has become a bitter guy who having that battle with Robert Kraft as former owner.

I bet there are some former owners that don't like that, who are part of influencing the votes maybe, and also as someone who's like turned his back on the NFL and talked shit about the NFL, even barring Patriot scouts from showing up to watch his North Carolina Tar Heels players play.

So you've got that kind of negative element to it that makes it easier to not put him in.

But what it does, though, is also what they were saying the Belichick.

We're saying in the ESPN report is that the the eight other semifinalists in the coaches categories were Coaughlin, Mike Hombrin, Chuck Knox, Buddy Parker, Dan Reeves, Marty Schotenheim, or Georgey.

For to Mike Shanahan, him falling short this year means that three other head coaching favorites will need to wait an extra year themselves for their turn to be considered for the Hall of Fame.

So it has a long reaching ramifications that Bill wasn't put in this year.

I think it's hilarious, bro, It is hilarious.

Speaker 2

So hey, dude, what did Joe Montana say, If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, So I mean you can go ahead and try again.

How about that?

I missed the guy damn first ballot Hall of Fame, belichicking on the way to know you boy, I think.

Speaker 1

Is Robert Duvall once said days of Thunder.

If you ain't rubbing, you ain't raised.

And I think that's the situation there for sure.

All right, let's get these questions once.

We're running out of time here.

Wiley says support for the Tequila Hobies.

Thank you, Wiley, we appreciate it.

Cowboys fan I two says who I predicted the super Bowl?

And I have my tweets as receipts.

This is now once again the Hunger Games.

If you have ever watched those films, By the way, to John's point, it's fucking discussing that we already have nine people shot that in January twenty twenty sixth not to mention, uh, you fucking forget something.

I don't know where the rest of this is, think, yeah, somewhere where it is.

But yes, absolutely it's a shame.

But yeah, we'll see what happens in the super Bowl.

Thank you.

Cowboys fan Ryan Trabuco says, send a support to you in Winston.

Thank you guys.

Isaac Rock says, thank you guys for talking about this.

Just want to show appreciation for the fact that you don't shy away from any topic and these honest conversations are important.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, man, you spill that tequila.

Ny Fox says, if DEM's win the House impossibly the Senate in November, do they file articles of impeachment against Trump or wait until this term ends because of Vance?

Wis?

I know you felt about this, but they could file it.

But you have to have sixty senators vote for impeachment to legitimately get him out.

And what do you do?

You put Vance in there?

Like Vance is a younger, possibly more sociopathic person than Trump.

Stop thinking that it's a better choice, you know.

And so I don't know.

I think what you want them to do is just stop all this stuff from happening and not let it happen.

What are your thoughts to do?

Speaker 2

I mean, I just don't see a world where you're gonna get you know, two thirds of the Senate to do anything.

We've impeached him twice, Yeah, yeah, do anything the first time the first two times?

Why would they do anything the third time?

Speaker 1

Yeah?

Well, it's all it's all figurative.

If you can't actually get him out of there.

To be honest, Yeah, fantastic says I said this on blurs in the hood.

But they'll implement martial law when the economy crashes, when there are other countries cash in their US bonds.

Speaker 2

I mean he did did say that, and that there has been some kind of talk of the idea of pushing, you know, for of foreign folks to cash in their US bonds.

Yeah, and it would crash our economy.

We would be royally fucked.

Yeah.

I mean, I am not surprised at any point of martial law coming down the pipeline.

I'm just really hoping we don't get there.

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah, I agree, I hope you don't get there either.

A REX ninety six is after this murder, there is no going back.

I don't see a harmonious way forward.

So how does this end?

Thank you for speaking out.

Well, listen, remember back in the Civil rights if you started your history, I mean, quite a lot of black people were murdered during the Civil Rights during the Civil rights movements in the nineteen sixties, White people, white Jewish people were murdered in the nineteen sixties, and we still found a way to come together as a country.

Once those voting rights were civil rights bills were passed and to try to put it behind us.

So I do think there is a way back.

And I think a majority of people, as you see from the polls, do not like the way Trump is doing this.

So I think there is a majority of the country that is in the right place on this.

It's just that the silence that the minority of people who are supporting this stuff, we need to drown them out eventually and not give them a big of a voice as they seem to have right now.

That's my opinion.

Speaker 2

What do you think, Yeah, I mean, the main I think the only thing that makes this hard is the good of social media does not outweigh the bad and because it has been so invaded with bots and now AI and so much slander and people are getting paid to agitate.

Oh yeah, it's that is the only thing, at the bare minimum, at least with on the flip side, I guess there's a level of like the truth is out there, not to go full X files on us, but like it does show up in those cases again, the woman in the pink hat, all that kind of stuff.

The fact that you know, again George Floyd the only reason because somebody happened to pull their phone out and be like dude, what the fuck, But like, yeah, there is so much agitation.

And then to add on top of that, all of the social media owners have fallen in line with this regime.

Yes, grow in the fact that then you had one of the most loyal Trump allies by TikTok and already start to put whatever said influence that's happening, that's affecting posts.

They're claiming it's, oh, you know, we're just having a coding issue.

And maybe there is, because there's a transition, but it doesn't look great that that happens to be going on in the middle of another weekend full of ice murdering people and people trying to talk about it, and somehow TikTok doesn't fucking work, and you took an idea of yea other terms of service already kind of said a few things that weren't great before it was owned by Oracle, but now it's being used to help teach Oracles AI like algorithm and everything else, and it's tracking all sorts of debt like it.

That's the only reason I'm worried that this might be impossible to come back from is because the Internet is actually.

Speaker 1

More problems.

Yeah, that's a fair point.

That's actually a really great point, Withenston.

You're right about that.

And yeah, what's the coding issue that turns the only word epstein is the only word that somehow is not able to get through and that's a coding issue.

Ooh fucking shit.

Speaker 2

Yeah, there's a lot going on there.

Speaker 1

Yeah, agreed, Agreed.

Christopher AO two says, Hey, Roka attacked on Twitter on a video of a guy who's a vigilante in Minneapolis and talks about his run ins with ice.

Oh I didn't see that, sorry, Christopher.

I'll take a look at that a little bit later for sure, if we have time after these questions, maybe.

Doug Developer says, so so happy for Darnold on the Jets he had to lie and defend his head coach Adam Gase left to right, while Gase never once threw him a bone.

Ever.

Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

Honestly.

I think just having your team in the Super Bowl and the two week build up is still a threeing experience, even if you may get your ass kicked right Roca super Bowl eighteen I guess that was the Raiders Redskins one.

Yeah, sure, yeah, being I mean the Patriots have been there seven fucking times in the last what fifteen years?

Speaker 2

Twenty years, so they're like nine totals is it nine total?

They won because they because they won six and they lost three.

Speaker 1

That's right, one six, lost three.

It's ry Brady.

Brady wonted seventh with Tampa, That's right.

But yeah, it's fun.

It's fun.

But I think this is a much more even matchup, you know.

And so that Redskins Raiders things.

We were pretty much favored over the Raiders and then they kicked the shit out of us.

It was rough.

Doug also says, if I were the Seahawks winning a Super Bowl in the stadium, one almost hated rival provide extra vocation.

Speaker 2

That is the main thing that that my fiance has been going on about it too.

Speaker 1

In the Niners stadium, Let's.

Speaker 2

Go, like, just bro, nothing would be funnier that if we lead in twelve is just tagged all over the fucking stadium after they win.

That shit would be hilarious.

Speaker 1

Did you see that woman wearing the Seahawks jersey that said impeach forty seven respect me.

Respect you wear that in public, respect you wear that in Seattle.

I think that was amazing.

That's awesome, and I love that it came out that neither of the teams are training near the Santa Clara Stadium because of that report.

Speaker 2

Good don't don't expose them to it for because they I know they do a lot of media shit, but they are essentially like they Yes, there's rest, but they're practicing for two weeks.

The last thing you want is just two weeks of that bullshit getting in your blood.

Speaker 1

Man, Like, yeah, exactly'sas broke.

You should have a dork of the Week segment.

Yeah, probably not on this show, but probably at some point I'll put it up for sure.

Good suggestion, bro Gals.

The deaths in the center's happening.

Oh is that what he was saying?

That's the Cowboys fan ish, finishing his point, trying not to mention you fucking forget the deaths in the centers happened?

Speaker 2

Okay, oh that happening in the detention centers.

Speaker 1

Oh, detention centers.

Yes, yes, yes, oh yes, absolutely horrible stuff.

Speaker 2

Yep yep.

Speaker 1

McCaul says, your least favorite steamer, Candace is the worst.

I don't even think Candace is the worst because I think Candas is legitimately crazy, and I don't.

I don't feel bad for her more than I do thinking she's.

Speaker 2

Thet bless your sweetheart.

Speaker 1

That's basically what I feel like when I see Candace saying the craziest shit, I just go, oh, bless her heart.

She's so off, she's so gone, She's so fucking gone.

So I think Megan Kelly is the worst because I think Megan is purposely even coming out saying I know I should fail about Alex pretty, but I don't.

He's an agitator, so fuck him.

That's essentially what she said, and she knows what she's doing and she knows she's viewing evil.

So her I think is she she's the worst streamer of them all.

Speaker 2

What do you think?

I think they're all pretty even.

I don't feel bad Candace because all you need to look at Candace is look at what she was doing before she took this trip.

She was very liberal, very yeah, true, that's true.

Flip to grift and the great.

The more she grifts, the more money she makes.

So no, Megan Kelly and thee so owens Tim Poole.

I would say the ones, the ones that have the ultra platforms of both mainstream media and then the platform they've built themselves are are like so the Tucker Carlson's and then Megan Kelly's and the Canvases.

Because Kandas was like a big talking had the way that what's what's that?

Speaker 1

Uh?

That ghoul?

Speaker 2

That that uh that that was like an older Tommy Lauren what's her name?

Oh my god, looks like skeletor funk?

What's her name?

Mean?

Speaker 1

Kelly?

Isn't that what I said?

Speaker 2

Making Kelly though as well?

No, no, no, and Culter and culture and Culter like so and so when and culter at Tucker Carlson like again yeah, Tucker.

And to that point is I'm just asking questions.

The fact that you called out Ted Cruz and were able to push back on all of this ship about trying to invade I ran everything else showed that you know the difference.

The fact that your text messages leaked out, that you know, Trump's crazy, this shit is bullshit, All that kind of stuff came out knows that you know the difference, and you're doing it to grift.

Speaker 1

Fantastic says what's up Spiller's showing love from a dude's It was a cold weekend and being stuck at home and having to watch that AFC Championship game was being punished for the same thing twice.

Good for San Darnold rising from jets hell to Super Bowl starter.

Absolutely absolutely, thank you, Fred.

Yeah, I hope everybody was safe.

My mom.

I told my mom to stay home.

All that shit was going nuts out there in the East Coast.

So hope you all were okay.

Uh.

Michael dobsays Gregory d here love you both, John and Winston.

Thank you, Gregory.

George Floyd was less than a mile away from this murder.

This must end, Alpha and onward need to change us.

So we're Renee Good and Alex pretty less than two miles much hatred in our story.

Ice must go.

Love to you.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

I didn't see that anywhere.

With the George Floyd mur was less than a mile away from this.

Speaker 2

Heym that's that's that's what's crazy is that it's all happening in this area.

Man, it's abso crazy.

Speaker 1

Minnesota man Tim says, I grew up in West Texas, Lubbock specifically, which is ninety nine percent Republican.

I voted Republican in twenty sixteen, twenty twenty in twenty twenty four, the Trump today is vastly different, worse than the one I voted for in twenty sixteen.

I don't think I'll support the GOP anymore.

In a way I feel guilty.

I will yeah, go ahead, what's it?

Speaker 2

Go ahead?

Brother?

I will just say this my own personal feelings and emotions aside.

Yeah, I applaud you for being able to even if it took maybe longer than most people would hope, but I applaud you for taking a step back and like really looking at that, yeah, and figuring out how to move forward.

There.

I think the one thing that I have kind of said over and over again, and it's not to say that I'm not furious, I'm all I'd like, I'd like like like Bruce Banner and the First Avengers.

The secret is I'm always angry, right, But at the end of the day, do you want to be right or do you want things to change?

So I'm not going to chastise you for doing that, even though there is going to be I'll be honest some anger at you for being a part of the problem, but I applaud you for trying to do better and not let this continue.

I think that's the thing I don't I'm not forgiving you for for being a part of that, but I am saying it's a thank you, and let's figure out how to move forward together so that this doesn't keep happening.

Speaker 1

We would be terrible people if we weren't willing to accept someone has legitimately changed their mind, saw the errors of their ways, and has come back to some form of rational thought.

And I can understand that.

I think that's fair, you know, And I would never want to say, like, reject them, but it has to be legitimate.

The Marjorie Taylor Green thing, she came out again against the Alex Pretdi murderer.

I'm not ready to accept her fully because she has a terrible track record, but I'm supportive of any voice that is getting us to come to a rational middle of understanding, because we are not as separated as social media wants to make us believe.

I think a majority of Americans do care about equality and fairness and justice and people not getting the people not getting murdered in the streets for protesting peaceful protesting.

Hel majority of them who support Second Amendment should be okay with the fact that he brought a legally licensed gun with a permit to a protest and never brandished it, as opposed to that chubby moron Kyle Rittenhouse with his rifle banging off of his belly as he ran around, Like, there's a difference when you look at that kind of approach.

And I think most Americans I believe are good in their hearts, are good intentions in their hearts.

But it's just this loud minority that's gotten more dangerous and is buoyed by the madman in the White House to act the fool and now we're seeing it out in the streets and that needs to stop.

Speaker 2

What's so interesting I remember I can't remember who specifically said it, but there would, But I remember this this old adage of like why you see a lot of times so much brutality out of white people towards say, black people, is coming from a place and this goes back to slavery, of like because of the inhumanity that's been placed upon it.

There's this fear that the minute the table has turned, all that shit is going to be put right back on them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, both a sense of fear and guilt.

But like that should be enough to stop you from doing that if you think that that that being done to you would be so egregious and you shouldn't be perpetrating it, you know.

Speaker 1

So this idea of.

Speaker 2

Oh my god, don't don't try to me.

They're gonna take my guns and go do all this and do all that.

So that's okay to turn around and take guns from people that are liberals, and then it's okay for them to get shot by the police for that, but you shouldn't be shot by the police for that.

Like you see what I'm saying.

Like it's one of those things where it's like there is definitely a level of just like dissidence that's happening, that's not connecting there, and I think that that should be looked at at some point.

Speaker 1

Yeah, A great.

Uh let's see.

Uh Machiami says, I used to hate beers, then it grew on me.

Oh there you go, there.

Speaker 2

There we go.

That's that's a that's a happy one.

Speaker 1

All right, let's get out of here.

Thank you all so much for hanging out with us.

We got a roll westerday, Marshall, another fun show.

Please let people know where they can find your brother, what you got going on, especially tomorrow night with your blurts.

Speaker 2

Yes, sir, you can find me at the Swagy Blurt and all platforms.

I just saw Good Luck, Have Fun, Don't Die yesterday, fucking fantastic movie.

My head of the theater reaction.

I will put up a night I need.

I'm actually right after we're done here, I'm going to see Mercy.

I know it already dropped, but I'm gonna do that and put a review out on that.

And I still need to put out my my best, my best and worst of twenty five and my anticipation of twenty six.

I just it's been a crazy set of weeks, but at that and we're building out Blurreds, So if you haven't already, go check out Blurds.

In the Hood Mondays, we put out our around the Neighborhood.

That's me and Jay's reactions to some of the craziest viral videos we've seen on the internet.

Wednesday's a our live show tomorrow six pm Pacific Friday.

I Know you fucking line, which is our reactions to some of the craziest Reddit stories that have been sent to us.

So all of that going on Caps and Cows, myself, Christian and Chris Carr on Fridays, and Christian and I are back to reacting.

I am watching for the first time saving Private Ryan tomorrow.

So that should go out this weekend.

If you're still doing a weekend release with me, I'm not sure he may.

He may drop it during the weakness week I don't know, but just keeping ey out on his channel for that as well.

Speaker 1

There you go, Oh good, Get ready for that first thirty minutes.

Bro, it's gonna knock you on your assay yo.

Green Day is opening the super Bowl.

They'd rip Donald Trump at their shows.

Do you think the NFL said you can play, but don't rip Trump?

If they were told that or not, I hope they shred Trump on the global stage.

Well, Trump said he's not coming to the super Bowl because of Bad Bunny and Green Day, so I think they got every right to talk shit about Trump if they want to, and I have a feeling.

Speaker 2

That he's not going to But God, I hope Bad Bunny just brings out YG and he just does FD.

That would be awesome, Bro, He's.

Speaker 1

Talking about wearing a dress to support the trans community.

If he does that, it'd be amazing as where you can follow me after Roca says on all social media, thanks so much for watching the show.

Please never subscribe to the channel hit that bell, but leave your comments about everything.

Don't forget that this show and other shows are available on the audio stream of the John Rocan channel, so please subscribe to that as well.

Geek Buddies tomorrow, Hot Mike Thursday, then I'll probably go live on Friday and Royal Rumble this weekend.

I will be doing a live watch along of Royal Rumble this week and join me for that as well.

Speaker 2

All right, much one more?

One more came?

Oh no, you got it, you got it, you got it, never mind.

Speaker 1

Never mind histles yea, yeah, yeah yeah.

Thank you all so much.

You guys are amazing.

We love you madly.

Take care of yourselves out in those streets, and please come on back next week for a new episode to spill the Tekila Pies

Never lose your place, on any device

Create a free account to sync, back up, and get personal recommendations.