[00:00:00] Dr. Biamonte: Candida when it's exposed to B complex vitamins in your gut. The carbohydrates that are present at the time, the B vitamins will break down like they're supposed to and convert them into simpler sugars, which is what they're supposed to do. But then that goes to feed the candida. So the candida then becomes a hog a B complex hog.

[00:00:17] People with low B12, it's very common. Chronic low B12. People very often have candida, especially low iron because Candida absorbs huge amounts of iron from your body.

[00:00:29] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Welcome to salad with a side of fries. I'm your host, Jenn Trepeck, talking wellness and weight loss for real life. We're here to clear up the myths, misinformation, bad science and marketing to teach you how to eat and how to cheat.

[00:00:42] Are you ready? I'm having salad with a side of Friess. Hey friend. Welcome back to Salad with a side of fries. I'm Jenn Trepeck, your host and health coach here with you every week for wellness without the weirdness. And over the six years of this show, we have had [00:01:00] many episodes on gut health. And many episodes on hormones Today, we're gonna connect the dots between your hormones, your thyroid, and candida, which is a yeast or a fungus that lives on and in your body.

[00:01:16] So to help us learn more, we have an incredible guest. He is the founder of the Beam Monte Center for Clinical Nutrition. He is the co-creator of biocybernetics, which is an unprecedented computer software program that's able to study blood work. Mineral tests and many other lab tests to determine exactly where your body is Imbalanced.

[00:01:37] Initially designed for aerospace purposes as a practitioner for over 30 years. He's dedicated to improving the lives of his patients and helping them get back to living. He holds a doctorate of naturopathy and is a New York State certified clinical nutritionist. He's a professional member of the.

[00:01:52] International and American Association of Clinical Nutritionist, the American College of Nutrition, and is a member of the Scientific Advisory Board for the [00:02:00] Clinical Nutrition Certification Board. He is listed in the directory of distinguished Americans for his research and nutrition and physiology.

[00:02:07] I'm honored to introduce him to all of you. Dr. Michael Beam Monte,

[00:02:13] Dr. Biamonte: thank you for the fanfare.

[00:02:15] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yeah, you're welcome. Welcome officially to Salad for the side of fries.

[00:02:19] Dr. Biamonte: Oh, wonderful. Thank you.

[00:02:20] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yes. So we'll start with your story and a bit more of your background and then go from there after we tell our members what they're getting this week.

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[00:04:30] Bia Monte. One called Dr. Biam Monte's Candida Chronicles Overview, and the other is Microbiome and Hashimoto's. Okay, Dr. Biam Monte, if I remember correctly, you're a musician. Yes. Who then went back to school to become a naturopath when your father was ill. Will you share that story and how your focus has evolved over the years to become, you know, what it is today?

[00:04:57] Dr. Biamonte: I was very [00:05:00] curious when my father was ill and I asked a lot of questions, which the doctors didn't like. Mainly I was wondering like, where does nutrition fit in? Because I was reading and, well, he, my father actually got me involved in reading Carlton Fredericks. And a lot of the nutritionists of that area, like the original pioneers of the whole field.

[00:05:20] And I was very curious. I said, I was asking them, you know, where does, where do vitamins fit in? Where back in those days, Lare from Mexico was just making a big boom and it was being discovered that it actually cured some people of cancer. So I was asking all these questions, they wanna talk to me, they just wanted to push me away.

[00:05:37] So. Instinctively when you ask people questions and they don't want to answer or they don't wanna talk about it, there's usually something there to know they don't know or they don't want you to know one way or the other. So that's how I initially got involved in, in studying and it started to become, um.

[00:05:54] Just an obsession after a while, because the more I learned, the more the potential I saw was there. [00:06:00] And the more I was surprised that nobody was really picking this up. At the time I first started studying, there were two functional medical doctors in all of New York City. There was Dr. Bob Atkins and there was Ronald Hoffman, and that was it.

[00:06:13] Mm-hmm. And now you can't go down the block without having a whole slew of functional doctors all over. So. I was just very, very surprised. So that really got my interest. And then I went to naturopathic school. And when I went to naturopathic school at that time, there were only two or three in the whole country and I had to spend practically every day in the library because we didn't have the internet.

[00:06:33] I. So in order to find, it wasn't like you could ask, um, ai, the, you know, the right, the questions. I had to be in the library all day and I had to really learn how to research and how to find, find answers. And by the time I got out of, um, naturopathic school, I had developed somewhat of an expertise in interpretation of laboratory work, blood work.

[00:06:54] 'cause they had studied, um, Jim Sima's work. I studied quite a few with [00:07:00] like the barnstorming chiropractors who were reinterpreting standard blood work. They could take standard blood work and they could read way past the pathology. They could read into what was happening organically with your body as far as your vitamins and your minerals and organ gland functions.

[00:07:16] Nowadays, a lot of the things I studied and was discovering that are now standard standard, but back then it was brand new. And I wanted to develop a computer. This is when computers, this was 1984, now 85, when PCs were just first coming out. So I wanted, my idea was to have a computer that I could input patient data and the computer would then do the whole analysis and print out a whole explanation of net wood narration and instructions for the person on what to take, how to take it, what to do, diet instructions.

[00:07:50] So I was, um. Slowly assembling some computer programmers to help me do this and that One day I happened to be in a health food store and I was telling [00:08:00] the woman who worked behind the counter what I wanted to do, and she looked at me and she reached for a business card and she says, you have to talk to this man.

[00:08:09] He's already doing this, and you'll be really happy to talk to him because he's very enlightened on all this. And I look at the card is, the man's name was Robert Santoro Naturopath. It turned out he worked at Grum and Aerospace. He was an aerospace physiologist, and he already assembled a whole team of people that was putting this computer program together, including his son who was a PhD in computer programming.

[00:08:33] And he happened to be the same man who developed the life support systems on the lunar module. Which blew, blew my mind right there. So I went and met him. He gave me a tour of Grumman. I looked at some of the spacecraft that had returned to Earth, you know, were picked up outta the ocean. And it was, it was just fascinating.

[00:08:49] And then we started talking about what he was doing. I didn't really know much about computer language, but he was explaining to me that what they were doing was assembling a model of the human body. [00:09:00] And they first took Harper's biochemistry and they took different books on like on physiology, and they put that in the computer as the base and they were using a FORTRAN language.

[00:09:10] And Fortran language is very interesting because it's not like your standard computer program where you, if you wanted to. Change something. You've gotta rewrite. A lot of the program, Fortran is based on blocks and if you can insert different blocks in different places, when you find out something new that belongs there, which made this incredibly easy to just update the computer when we learned more physiological data.

[00:09:35] So I started working with him before I knew it, eight years had gone by and we had a working model of the whole human body. Now, the whole idea of this was NASA wanted this because they wanted to be able to check the astronauts when they were in the space station for long periods of time to watch their nitrogen balance, look for calcium loss and things like that.

[00:09:54] And. The spending just got outta hand on the project. 'cause we were flying nutritionists in from [00:10:00] all over the world and having them, putting them up in hotels for weeks and they were contributing all their data, but I don't think NASA really had that in mind to pay for something like that. So they eventually dropped the project and we said to them, well, what do we do with this?

[00:10:14] And they said, keep it.

[00:10:16] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Amazing.

[00:10:16] Dr. Biamonte: So we kept it and we turned it into a commercial program that doctors could access. So a doctor can send his, uh, patient's data in and we run it through the computer. We get a printout, we send it back to him, and the computer speaks only in physiology. It doesn't speak in the disease, let's say.

[00:10:32] So the computer will look and it will find that your hypothalamus isn't properly connecting hormones to the pituitary, and that's due to a magnesium imbalance. And it'll tell you how much magnesium to take to fix it and, and whatnot. We were just getting amazing results for people back then. This is like now probably 19 87, 88, and.

[00:10:54] There was an odd thing as we noticed that there was a certain group of people who just had strange reactions to the vitamins that we put them on, [00:11:00] and when we further explored, we found these same people also had weird reactions when they took drugs of any claim. So I volunteered to find out what was going on.

[00:11:10] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Is it a methylation thing?

[00:11:12] Dr. Biamonte: No. Well, here's what we found out. And my, whenever I tell the story, my wife would tell you that she walked into this room and she saw me at a desk with a, a pile of folders higher than I was. And I was looking through all these folders to try to find common denominators, and what I found is they had some kind of imbalance in their intestinal tract.

[00:11:31] Now, we didn't know what exactly it was, but we knew there was some imbalance because they had a configuration of in their white blood cells that would indicate some kind of infection or an immune response going on in their intestines. So we researched this further when we found out they all had candida.

[00:11:47] So what was happening is when they were taking vitamins, the vitamins were interacting with the candida and it gave them crazy reactions 'cause that, that happens with candida. So I didn't really know what candida was. I knew very little about it. [00:12:00] So I started researching it and I found out what it was, you know, essentially that it was a, a fungal overgrowth in your intestines.

[00:12:07] This fungus could switch back and forth from a fungus to a yeast. Then I looked up and I saw there were medications that would kill it, so I told the patients, I said, go, go to your doctor. Tell 'em you have can indeed I have him cure you and come back and then we'll put you back on the program and it should work fine.

[00:12:21] At that point, man, was I dumb? I was naive. The phone calls I got that my doctor says, there's no such thing as candida, or My doctor says everybody has candida. It was just ridiculous. So I sent them to Dr. Atkins and Dr. Hoffman and the, the phone calls came back and they said, well, this. Patients said this was much better.

[00:12:42] They knew what you were talking about. And they put me on Nystatin and I got better for the first two months and then it all started to come back and they even raised the dose and it got worse. So I'm thinking to myself, how could, why that doesn't make sense. So I just started collecting data from these people on how [00:13:00] they were being treated and what direction it went, and I did something that nowadays everyone's heard of.

[00:13:06] It was called reverse engineering. I took the data and I hit the textbooks and I went back to find out what was the reason this was occurring. And the first thing I found out that was a major breakthrough that I, I cover in my book, the Candida Chronicles, is that candida is very mutative and it genetically mutates very easily, which most people don't pay attention to, even though the data exists in the literature.

[00:13:28] So the first thing I did with these patients is I had them start taking antifungals that they rotated every four days. And I learned in the textbooks that when you expose candida to the same antifungal for longer than 21 days, it then begins to mutate and it. It mutates a G, it can mutate against that drug or it can jump species.

[00:13:48] So initially in my practice, when we were taking stool cultures from patients, we found that none of the patients who came to us, who knew about candida, who had been treating it had candida albicans. [00:14:00] They all had candida gal brata or candida tropic, which are mutated species, which immediately told me that they were being treated in a way that would allow the candida to mutate.

[00:14:10] Then we observed that all the patients who came who knew nothing about Candida, never heard of it. They're the ones who had candida albicans. So they had the original species and the people who were treated incorrectly by not rotating the antifungals, they had the advanced. Species of candida and this went on.

[00:14:28] I just kept collecting. I just shut up and listened, and I just took notes. I got all the data I could from these people, and I then just reversed engineered each thing. Like people would come in and say, I'm taking all these probiotics and I keep taking these stool tests and I don't show up in the stool.

[00:14:44] So that's where I discovered that the candida would repel the probiotics. And it wasn't until you, you essentially got rid of their candida or their dysbiosis, however you wanna call it, that the probiotics would be able to re inoculate in the colon. And then we had people who were taking all these vitamins.

[00:14:59] And [00:15:00] that's then where I found out there was two groups of vitamins. When you deal with candida, there's one group that makes the candida worse by physically feeding it and spreading it. And there's another group that will block the medications that you're taking, and that's generally most antioxidants.

[00:15:14] So we pulled all the people off the vitamins and then all of a sudden the, the treatment started to work. So I continued to this fashion until I got all the data together on what would be, let's say, the axioms that you would need in order to have them. Candida program that was workable, and then we put the protocols together.

[00:15:31] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yeah, no, I, I identify so much with how you went about this. 'cause I feel like my brain works the same way. You know, I'm like, okay, if I just followed the logic, right? I don't necessarily know everything about the pathology, but I can apply logic of what we do know. Of how the body works and things like that.

[00:15:48] And so at the risk of opening a can of worms in a total sidebar, it seems like you were so ahead of your time and creating a program that is now [00:16:00] essentially, I think what people hope AI will do in medicine,

[00:16:05] Dr. Biamonte: and this program was based on the original versions of ai. 'cause the program will think the more the person comes and the more they have their data put through the computer, the computer has a retest module where it actually looks over all of the, the testing they've had, all the supplements they've had, and it looks for what worked the best for them over the whole long period of time.

[00:16:24] So yes, it is, was the original error.

[00:16:26] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yeah. And so, like I said, at the risk of opening a can of worms, I'm really curious to hear how do you see AI playing into or advancing. Kind of what you started and what you've built

[00:16:40] Dr. Biamonte: to date. It's, it's really simple because, and anyone will tell you this, whether they'll learn it in it or, or a novice, it's only as good as how you teach it, right?

[00:16:48] It's that simple. It can only be as good as what you teach it, so mm-hmm. Luckily, in our system, the, there are a lot enough restrictions there to keep it focused. It's, that's interesting. It's not gonna go wild into, you know, [00:17:00] tangents. So yeah, that's important because you need to keep the focus in, keep it consistent with what it's looking at and not allow too many other variables that don't have anything to do with what it's supposed to be looking at to look at.

[00:17:12] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yeah. Okay. So before we get to your Candida protocol, I think it's probably worth addressing two things to make sure everybody's with us. So one piece is you say it's a rumor. That candida is a protective mechanism.

[00:17:29] Dr. Biamonte: Oh, totally. It's, it's say ridiculous. Say more. It's absolutely, I think I know who started this and he's a well-known doctor in the Midwest who has a clinic there a lot of people have have been to, and one of his things is that he will tell people that until you get rid of your mercury, you can never fully get rid of the candida.

[00:17:47] And then he talks about how it's a protective response, which why I say that's ridiculous is because Mercury. First off, it is true that Candida absorbs large amounts of mercury. That's what this premise [00:18:00] is based on, that candida absorbs the mercury, and that's supposed to be protecting you from the mercury.

[00:18:06] Well, the problem with that is, is that candida reduces fecal iga and fecal iga e, so that means immediately when intestinal tract is exposed to mercury, it depresses your immune system. That blows the whole theory right there because it's suppressing the immune system like an antibiotic would essentially by antibiotic, would suppress your intestinal immune system by wiping out your friendly flora, which is part of your immune system.

[00:18:32] Well, mercury is doing the same thing only a little bit differently. It's suppressing the, so if you suppress the intestinal immune system with mercury and candida grows, how does that protect the mechanism? It's illogical.

[00:18:45] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Right. Rather, it's preventing the protection against the candida. Right.

[00:18:51] Dr. Biamonte: There you go.

[00:18:52] Okay.

[00:18:53] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Then the second piece is what somebody might be experiencing that could be an indication of [00:19:00] candida overgrowth. So you mentioned response to supplements or response to medications. Yeah. Bad reactions already.

[00:19:08] Dr. Biamonte: Bad reactions. It's very common in people with candida and leaky gut, even with their own medications prescribed, they have crazy reactions and doctors keep.

[00:19:16] Jumping them from one medication to the other, not understanding what's going on. But yes, it's bad reactions to supplements, particularly to be complex, to coenzyme Q 10 and to minerals. Minerals like calcium or copper. Copper in particular. They could have a lot of bad reactions to

[00:19:34] Jenn Trepeck - Host: and bad reactions might look like What?

[00:19:37] Dr. Biamonte: It's an exacerbation of the candida, so it's strange because you don't know what's gonna happen. 'cause you don't know how their candida's affecting them. You see, because candida affects everyone the same. Well, it doesn't affect everyone the same. You could list out 150 different possible symptoms that Candida can cause, and you're never gonna find one person and another person with the same exact [00:20:00] symptoms because candida, just like many other things of this nature, stresses out whatever your genetic weaknesses are to the point where that's how the symptom manifests.

[00:20:08] But there are some common symptoms that evolve when you develop candida. And usually the very first thing is you have a drop in energy. You start having cognitive problems, you start becoming tired. You don't know why, and you start walking into rooms and saying, why did I walk into this room? What was I doing here?

[00:20:26] Or, what's his name again? That guy I, you know, you do, your cognitive function goes. Then you can start developing noticeable gastrointestinal symptoms. You can start becoming constipated depending on your flora. You could either be constipated or have diarrhea, but bloating and gas and. Discomfort when you eat is very common.

[00:20:45] Inability to digest, let's say, very common. Then you could escalate up to rashes, skin rashes, eczema is very common. If you do a search for candida and eczema online, you'll come up with over 15 million documents. Then when it gets really bad, [00:21:00] you can start feeling arthritic because candida will cause inflammation generally through your body, particularly in your joints.

[00:21:06] And then one of the last steps of candida, which is probably the most severe something we used to call years ago, universal reactor syndrome, which is nowadays somebody who's in chronic mast cell activation and who is just intolerant of the whole environment, he, this person could not go into a bar and sit down with people smoking and wearing perfume and be able to tolerate.

[00:21:27] Without having a booming headache so that this person can't go in the supermarket and walk down the aisle where the cleaning solutions are, the oldest from the cleaning solutions will just drive them crazy. So that's where the person is now becoming very chemically sensitive. From that they can develop also allergies than ever had before.

[00:21:45] Now if it gets extreme, candida can cause cancer, like other parasites can. Similar, but you could say that's a general lineup that a lot of people can have. But then you throw in their own genetic individuality and you have their particular [00:22:00] case.

[00:22:00] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yeah. It's so funny, as you're saying, so in the first part of that list where it's the, you know, walk in this room.

[00:22:06] Can't remember why. Right. A lot of those things we associate with the B vitamin deficiency. So then the irony or not so iron ironic that then, you know, a B complex would create a reaction for these same people too. So it's just, it's all connected.

[00:22:24] Dr. Biamonte: It is because would can candida when it's exposed to be complex vitamins in your gut.

[00:22:29] The carbohydrates that are present at the time, the B vitamins will break down like they're supposed to and convert them into simpler sugars, which is what they're supposed to do. But then that goes to feed the candida. So the candida then becomes a hog a B complex hog. People with low B12, it's very common chronic low B12.

[00:22:45] People very often have candida, especially low iron. Because Candida absorbs huge amounts of iron from your body, and people with candida will be found to be anemic, but then when they take iron to try to resolve the problem, the candida gets worse and the problem gets worse. [00:23:00] And that's the unique thing about Candida.

[00:23:02] Why it's so interesting that it's set up to cause these toad stools where you think you're actually helping yourself. And helping yourself theoretically, for other people would be true. But you're making it worse,

[00:23:13] Jenn Trepeck - Host: right? So this, I think this is the perfect, you know, transition into the Candida protocol that we wanna walk through.

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[00:25:19] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yes, thank you. Yeah, so thinking about overgrowth of candida, and we talked about even just before, some of the things that can sort of create that mutation. The overgrowth of candida. Will you connect this also to our hormones? Right? So we're sort of understanding what's happening with candida. What's the connection then to our hormones?

[00:25:43] Dr. Biamonte: There's several. And this was never known before, but candida and your whole biome regulates your hormones. Your neurotransmitters and your hormones are stored in your intestinal tract, and they're somewhat shuttled in and out between your intestinal tract and [00:26:00] your bloodstream as your body needs. To draw on them.

[00:26:03] And when you have dysbiosis, that doesn't go very well. So you end up having people with chronically low serotonin because of their gut being imbalanced. The body can't pull the serotonin out of the gut and bring it back into the blood. That's one issue. The other issue is hormones have a direct effect on candida, particularly estrogens and cortisol.

[00:26:23] Estrogens and cortisol may candida grow, and it's particularly estriol. That makes candida grow. So this is why when women are pregnant, if they have candida, the candida will flare up. It's because of the estriol elevating. This is why people under stress can develop candida, and the candida gets worse under stress because of the cortisol.

[00:26:43] So hormones can regulate and modulate candida, and unfortunately candida tends to interfere with thyroid function. There's a few things that it does, but one of the most notable things I say. Is that the dysbiosis that you get from Candida is probably the underlying reason [00:27:00] for Hashimoto's. I think most of my colleagues would agree by now that all Hashimoto's is underlying dysbiosis or candida, and you're never gonna fix Hashimoto's on anyone unless you handle their gut.

[00:27:12] Years ago, we used to use a standard process product that was called parotid. We used to give it to people with Hashimoto's and would bring their antibodies down. Their antibodies. The whole Hashimoto's would just shut down as long as they were on the supplement. Once they went off the supplement, it would go right back up again.

[00:27:28] And that's 'cause we didn't handle the underlying reason, which was the dysbiosis.

[00:27:32] Jenn Trepeck - Host: So what testing might somebody want to do to confirm? You know, based on this conversation, they might be sitting here going. I think this is me.

[00:27:45] Dr. Biamonte: Mm-hmm.

[00:27:46] Jenn Trepeck - Host: You know, potentially before starting your protocol that we'll go to in a second, what testing might they wanna use and frankly, what testing might they want to push back on?

[00:27:56] Because as we know. You know, different [00:28:00] physicians have different philosophies or you know, things that they'll work with.

[00:28:03] Dr. Biamonte: Yeah. The first thing you wanna avoid is blood testing for candida. When someone talks about this, their instinct is to think the blood test is looking for candida in their blood, which is not what the blood test is doing.

[00:28:14] The blood test is looking for antibody response to see if your immune system is producing antibodies against candida, and your immune system could continue to produce antibodies against Candida for nine to 10 months after it was gone. So that makes it not that accurate in terms of present time, what's really happening.

[00:28:32] Probably the tests I rely on the most are organic acid tests for candida. We also have a test that's, um, used only in my practice, uh, that I developed, which looks at what metabolic wastes from candida in your urine and looks for free radicals that are produced by candida in your urine, which makes it a really great test for 'cause.

[00:28:50] A patient could do that at home in 10 minutes and we can know immediately what's happening with their candida at that time. Stool tests for candida can be very [00:29:00] difficult. Because candida doesn't grow in a very uniform manner in your intestines. Bacteria grow very uniform. They pretty much just cover everything nicely.

[00:29:09] Candida grows in a slutty, blotchy kind of pattern. If you could take a flashlight and walk through your intestines, you'd be walking through and the flashlight, you're gonna see bacteria everywhere. Then all of a sudden you'll come up to this blob of mucus and biofilm and candida and parasites all together.

[00:29:29] That may go on for a few feet and then you walk past that and it's gone, and then there's nothing again. And then you may come up to that again at another 20 feet or something. So the candida just doesn't grow in a manner that makes stool testing. Practical for it because you don't know if that stool made contact with that area where the candida was long enough to then come into the sample and then be duplicated when you try to culture it.

[00:29:54] Even with DNA stool tests, it could be you have run into the same thing, but if you know how to interpret a stool test, I will [00:30:00] give you the keys. How you know someone most likely has candida by looking at one of the modern stool tests like GI effects or something like that, is you wanna look at the stool pH.

[00:30:10] If the stool pH is above 7.2, 7.4, they good chance they have candida. 'cause the candida likes an alkaline intestinal tract. That's the first thing. There's the pH. Normally between six and 7.2 is a pH that stops candida because that acidity suppresses it. Okay. Next thing you wanna look for is friendly bacteria.

[00:30:34] If the person has a lack of lactobacillus and a lack of bifidus bacteria, most likely candida is there, even though you're not seeing it. There are some other bacteria that tend to grow with candida. Klebsiella and citrobacter tend to grow with candida. Blastocystis hominini is very often found with candida.

[00:30:52] Then you wanna look at the fecal IGA or IgE if that immune response is suppressed. Probably have Candida [00:31:00] calprotectin is another item to look at in the stool. If that's very high, they most likely have candida. So when you're putting all these these things together. These items, and it also, they're short chain fatty acids.

[00:31:11] If they're deficient in butyrate, probably have. So the more of these items that they have showing up, the more likely they have candida, even if their commensal floor is imbalanced. So the more of these items you can check off, the more likely they are to have candida, even though the stool test is not gonna find candida.

[00:31:28] But what's expected, I would say, then you're not gonna find it. It's difficult to find in the store.

[00:31:33] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Okay. Super helpful. So that brings us to your four Rs to remove and replace, right? Mm-hmm. Your four stages of, you know, candida growth. So walk us through how we can support sort of matching antifungals to the timing and how we go about this.

[00:31:52] Dr. Biamonte: The first thing we do is we put the person on a, a bowel cleanse that consists of diet [00:32:00] tenacious Earth and MSM. Some and other things, other types of fibers and and whatnot, and we also give them castor oil capsules that we have them freeze. The reason why we freeze them is castor oil will give you a purge if you take it, which is not what we want.

[00:32:17] We want the castor oil to pass through your stomach and then break down in your intestinal tract and be able to coat the intestinal tract because the castor oil will loosen up biofilm.

[00:32:27] Jenn Trepeck - Host: So I was gonna ask about a biofilm buster. So you're using the castor oil for that

[00:32:31] Dr. Biamonte: initially. Initially. Okay. The castor oil will break down biofilm and it'll help loosen up everything that's there because a lot of the candida will hide an old stool and feces that's hanging out and mucus that's hanging out.

[00:32:44] So that's the first thing we do, is we have them do this type of a program. We call it phase zero, and that removes the surface areas or the surface layers, the the big chunks. Then we go to phase one. So on phase one we have them rotate usually four different antifungals or [00:33:00] combinations of antifungals that will kill the candida systemically.

[00:33:03] So these are products that have to be able to absorb into your lymph and your blood and kill the candida everywhere. On that note, people will say, I have systemic candida. And if they go to their medical doctor and they say to the medical doctor, I have systemic candida, the medical doctor's gonna look at them like they're crazy because the medical definition of systemic candida, it means it's in your blood.

[00:33:25] It would be fungal sepsis and you're, you're gonna die soon. So there's no way you're gonna be standing up at my office telling me you have systemic candida. When people say systemic candida, they mean the candida has gone from their colon into their lymph system and traveled through the lymph system, and now is invading different organs.

[00:33:43] 'cause your entire lymph system drains into your colon. So that's what they mean by that. So that's phase one. We systemically address candida. On phase two, we switch the antifungals to antifungals that are fatty acid based, because fatty acid based [00:34:00] antifungals can absorb really deep into your gut lining, and they can literally kill the candida at the root.

[00:34:05] And that's, that's what's needed on the second phase. So when we've accomplished that, and then by the way, on that phase, we also use different biofilm busters that work deeper in the gut lining. Then the next phase would be the probiotic phase. Now, if the person's done these. Previous three steps correctly, the probiotics should stick.

[00:34:23] The only thing that will prevent the probiotics from not sticking at that point is if they have leaky gut. So if they have leaky gut, we have to repair the gut before they get to this step. Assuming they don't have leaky gut. Easiest way to do so. We give them a whole bunch of different probiotics with a whole bunch of different prebiotics and we have them mix it into a smoothie and we have them drink it a few times a day.

[00:34:43] And it's simple and it's done. And the combination of the fibers and the prebiotics give the probiotics what it needs to feed on so we can grow tear intestinal tract. Usually the first reaction they get to that is bloating and gas, and they're, oh my God, the candidas coming back. But that's not what's actually happening when your friendly [00:35:00] bacteria begins to grow and re inoculate your intestines.

[00:35:02] It produces bloating and gas because it's, it's fermented just like the candida would, but only this is a good fermentation the person has. But if the person has leaky gut, it's not gonna work. You've gotta handle their leaky gut. And the two best tests to determine if you have leaky gut, number one would be the zonulin protein, which you can do in the blood or the stool.

[00:35:22] And the other is a breath test. It's called the sucrose breath test. It's a breath test completely different than placebo or, or h pylori. It's a breath test. That's particularly for leaky gut because there are certain gases your intestinal tract will produce if you have leaky gut.

[00:35:38] Jenn Trepeck - Host: So with all of this then, right, and taking into account the hormone pieces and the thyroid pieces, what's then the cascade from?

[00:35:50] Repairing the, you know, candida overgrowth and potentially leaky gut and all those things to the rest of the imbalance and what we were experiencing. [00:36:00]

[00:36:00] Dr. Biamonte: Once you get your florist settled and your floor is solid, all these other things are easier. So you can get the person's, you can knock the person's Hashimoto's out, you can get their thyroid and better balance.

[00:36:11] All of these other things will respond. And the thing that I learned the hard way is that nine outta 10 times when you restore the person's flora. You're gonna find they have exhausted adrenals and exhausted thyroid nine outta 10 times. That's the very next thing that's gonna happen. But before you can address that, you first have to assess their toxicity level because when you have candida, you cannot properly detoxify your phase two detoxification.

[00:36:38] And even phase one is limited when you don't have bifidus. Your colon 'cause bifida helps your liver detoxify. So anyone who's had candida very easily could have toxic levels of mercury and copper and all types of chemical toxins that their body's not able to get rid of because the candida was blocking that.

[00:36:55] So the first thing we look for before we address their adrenals, which [00:37:00] could be suppressed by the elevated copper, as we look for toxic metals. If there are toxic metals there, then we, we handle the toxic metals, we chelate them out, and then we look for toxic chemicals. Now, why we do it in that order is because toxic metals prevent your body from being able to release toxic chemicals.

[00:37:16] So you've gotta get rid of the metals first, and then the chemicals will come out easily. And there are many tests for this nowadays. Mosaic Labs has a few tests to assess somebody's environmental toxic chemicals, and we use hair analysis and also urinary challenges to assess the toxic metals in the body.

[00:37:34] But keep one thing in mind. Hair tests tell you the tissue level of the toxic metals, urine tests tell you the ability of the person to excrete the metals. So you could get a huge excretion on your initial provoke, let's say provocation. But that may be all there is. You don't know that. That means they have tons of metals.

[00:37:53] That's why you need the hair tests to see what the tissue level is. 'cause the urine test is ultimately telling you how much they can [00:38:00] eliminate. Yeah, rid of

[00:38:00] Jenn Trepeck - Host: eliminate. Yeah. Yeah. It's so interesting because I think, you know, our objective is not for everyone to run out panicking that you know that everybody has candida, but to really open everyone's eyes, I think this is such a great example of how interconnected the body is to help us understand that addressing things in isolation or hyper-focusing on one piece in isolation is really part of.

[00:38:29] I think one of the challenges as people talk about wellness as they do now,

[00:38:34] Dr. Biamonte: yeah. It's been a huge challenge in the medical field, whether they know it or not. Yeah. You go to an eye doctor and the eye doctor's able to look at the eye, but he can't touch this part of it. He's gonna send you to another guy who can touch this part, and then he can't touch the other part, so he has to send so it can become ridiculous.

[00:38:50] You as someone who worked with engineers for years and engineers who are looking at the body, it's the most logical way to look at it because the body is a mass [00:39:00] of subsystems that are all linked to major systems that are all linked to some. Systems up above that are controlling everything on the way down, that's where we got the name Biocybernetics.

[00:39:11] Biocybernetics means the biological way of monitoring systems that are self-regulating. 'cause a cybernetic system is so a self reg, the body is self-regulating. Yes. It's a biological system that tries to be, anyway, it's for the most part, self-regulating. And we wanna correct it where it goes off the rails and put it back on the rails and then it, it'll do fine.

[00:39:33] Jenn Trepeck - Host: And the way to do that is to understand why it thinks. That that is the appropriate way to self-regulate.

[00:39:40] Dr. Biamonte: And here's where you run into problems because the longer someone's been imbalanced, the bodies through homeostasis starts to begin to think that's the way it's supposed to be. So sometimes when you put someone on a health program, when they're trying to straighten these things out, they've had for years, you're gonna meet resistance.

[00:39:57] 'cause the body has feedback loops in the endocrine system that [00:40:00] are locked. Then to thinking, well, this is the way it's been. This is the way it should be. And then when you get the person outta that, they feel strange until they get rebalanced, which yes, is something that usually will happen gradually regardless of how hard you push it.

[00:40:13] Patients are always saying, why doesn't this go faster? You know, I'm feeling better. I'm feeling better, but why is it taking so long? What's, 'cause your body is stubborn essentially.

[00:40:22] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yes. Well, I think that's a beautiful place to sort of wrap this up and bring it full circle that the body really, it simply takes time and appropriate protocols and understanding, as you said, how the systems.

[00:40:38] You know Correct. Self-regulate and

[00:40:39] Dr. Biamonte: interconnect. Correct. You. You're correcting the underlying reason. You're not taking a drug to cover up the symptom, which is what the pharmaceutical in industry has become rich in giving people drugs to cover up their symptoms. Here you're trying to actually fix the real problem, which takes a lot longer.

[00:40:54] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yes. Awesome. Alright, it is time for a rapid fire off topic questions that I ask every [00:41:00] expert who joins us. You ready? Sure. Okay. What's the best thing you've done for your health this week? What's the naughtiest thing you've done related to your health this week? Or what's the salad and what's the fries of your week,

[00:41:11] Dr. Biamonte: let's say?

[00:41:12] Probably the best thing is I developed a new liver cleanse product, which I've been trying on myself, which is working really well. Nice. Really well. And how, you know something, how you know a cleansing product is working well. Is usually when you take it and you feel sick from it or you develop bad breath or a body order or something, that's your body really detoxifying.

[00:41:32] Probably the worst thing was the, the lasagna I guess.

[00:41:35] Jenn Trepeck - Host: But it sounds delicious.

[00:41:36] Dr. Biamonte: Yeah. Especially when you're Italian.

[00:41:38] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Right. Alright. If you were the founder of the Beam Monte Center for Clinical Nutrition, what would you do?

[00:41:45] Dr. Biamonte: Probably everything I've been doing, 'cause I am.

[00:41:48] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yeah. Favorite book on any topic other than your area of expertise?

[00:41:53] Or you could give us a fiction book?

[00:41:54] Dr. Biamonte: Probably Dietetics. Dietetics is an amazing book. It's the only book I ever read that really explained how [00:42:00] the mind worked and the fact that so many people came out against it proved to me that it was real because it was gonna cost the psychiatric industry billions of dollars of people really read the book and understood it because there's no such thing as a Prozac deficiency.

[00:42:14] It doesn't exist. No one has the deficiency of a drug.

[00:42:18] Jenn Trepeck - Host: For sure. If you could cure one ailment, disease or sickness, what would it be?

[00:42:23] Dr. Biamonte: Cancer. A lot of doctors. There's a lot of data out there right now that's leading up to that. The best book to read about cancer is, believe it or not, hold the Clark. Have you ever heard of Hold the Clark?

[00:42:33] Jenn Trepeck - Host: No.

[00:42:34] Dr. Biamonte: Hold. The Clark was a physiologist and a and a nutritionist back in the nineties. She was had many degrees. She was also a pathologist. She discovered the real, everyone's always saying the cure for cancer. The cure, we know what causes cancer. And Clark actually unraveled how the whole thing worked. So if anybody wants to really understand cancer and how it comes about.

[00:42:54] Read, uh, many of her books. Holda Clark is H-U-L-D-A, Clark, [00:43:00] and her book, the Cure for All Cancers is just mind boggling because she has every single step in there about how cancer eventually occurs and how you can pull the string on it and get it to shut down.

[00:43:12] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Amazing. If you were a superhero, what would be your superpower?

[00:43:17] Dr. Biamonte: Probably to knock out ignorance.

[00:43:20] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Mm. What's your biggest pet peeve?

[00:43:24] Dr. Biamonte: Ignorance. I

[00:43:25] Jenn Trepeck - Host: was gonna say. Alright, last one. In your opinion, what's the next frontier in wellness?

[00:43:31] Dr. Biamonte: Well. It was Thomas Edison who said that the doctor of the future will not prescribe medicines. I'm gonna paraphrase them, but he will enlighten his patient as to nutrition and proper care for the body naturally.

[00:43:44] And I would say we're going to start getting there. I mean, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Was, is doing marvelous things to enlighten people on what's going on with the food and why the food is making people sick in this country. I mean, the, the rate of diabetes in this country is insane, especially in young [00:44:00] people.

[00:44:00] And the food is to blame. Why are there different versions of cereals in Mexico? Kellogg has the same, it's the same box, right? But yet when you look at what they put in the cereal in the United States compared to Mexico or some other country, it blows your mind what we've allowed them to do. So I would have to say along that line.

[00:44:19] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Yes. Well, Dr. Michael Beyond Biman, thank you so much for being here. Tell everybody how to connect with you, where to learn more and get in touch with you about your testing and your work.

[00:44:31] Dr. Biamonte: Very simple. They can go to my main website, which is health truth.com. Or they can go to my two other websites, uh, the New York City Candida Doctor and the New York City Thyroid doctor, and you can find me at one of those three websites.

[00:44:44] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Excellent. We'll put links to everything in the episode notes for everybody. Again, just thank you for being here in the way your time, your expertise, and the way you're shared with everybody. As much appreciated, so thank you.

[00:44:53] Dr. Biamonte: My pleasure. I enjoyed it.

[00:44:55] Jenn Trepeck - Host: Likewise. Alright, friends on Friday in this week's bite-sized bonus episode, [00:45:00] we're talking about Premier Protein drinks.

[00:45:02] So Marianne B sent this one in through Instagram, so thank you, Marianne. She said typically she has one a day, either the chocolate. Or the vanilla and asked if we would analyze or review. So we'll do it together on Friday and this week's bite-size bonus episode. Be sure wherever you're listening, click the plus sign or the follow button, and then your app will alert you on Friday when it goes live.

[00:45:25] Well, as always, everybody, I'm Jenn Trepeck. Connect with me on Instagram or all social media. I'm at Gen Tpic, J-E-N-N-T-R-E-P-E-C-K website is. A salad with a side of fries.com. Pick your platform, send a message. I truly love hearing from you and your ideas, your takeaways, your questions. This is also the easiest way to learn more about working with me as your health coach, Dr.

[00:45:48] Michael Bi Biam. Thank you again for being here. You are

[00:45:52] Dr. Biamonte: welcome.

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