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Kiwis will finally get to experience the labyrinth that is an Ikea store from December fourth.

The New Sylvia Parks site in Auckland is one of the company's largest in the Southern Hemisphere, about the size of three rugby fields.

There'll be thousands of products available online and in store, and yes, they will be serving up their famous Swedish meatballs in a four hundred and twenty six seat cafeteria.

So why do we get so excited about international brands setting up on our shores.

And is there enough appetite for Ikea.

And their meatballs to succeed where others haven't?

Today on the Front Page, Quantum Jump, CEO and marketing expert Ben Gooddal is with us to explain the hype around one of the world's leading retailers.

First off, Ben, what is the significance of Ikea finally coming to New Zealand.

I mean, I think there's a number of factors here.

It is a major, major retail brand globally and one of Sweden's great exports.

I think to a certain extent, the sheer fact that so many Kiwis already have Ica products in their homes, which they may be brought from overseas or people are given to them, or they've bordered in.

And so it's a brand that almost feels like it's been here for a while anyway, but but but actually planting itself.

And it's very grounding for an international brand like that to arrive in New Zealand, not unlike Costcow a couple of years ago.

I think we go, Wow, you know, we're finally there as a nation.

We've got an ike We've a Costco, We've got Nah and m Sephora Victoria's Secret out of the airport.

You know, brands which are you know, living in a country and far flung in the furthest away part of the world.

In fact, I've read today that we are the Ikea store in Auckland will be the servist away from Sweden store that they have.

You know, it can be something when when these brands turn up and they've got to us.

In terms of Ikea.

What makes it like I suppose the international juggernaut that it is is.

Firstly, I mean, the product is amazing, you know, it's there.

They're they're innovative, They're they're they're sustainable or as sustainable as you can be within with any category like that, and they're pushing to be more sustainable forever.

They their focus on design is is fundamental to their success, you know.

Be I mean I remember as a as as as you know, probably not long after a left stool, going to be opening of a first Ikea in London and queuing up that day to get in, and I didn't even really know what Ikea was something to do on a on a Sunday, but but being bowled over by by the design, you know, the that simple Swedish aesthetic and you know it really it's not just furniture.

Albeit I also have cursed and I once foolishly brought a foot on from Ikea, and I'm sure.

If any anyone watching this, imagine, you know, flat pack assembling of futon in a time where I did not own a power drool, so I had to hand handstrew it every last True, it was the I have blisters and I was not a happy person.

But the futon was sensational.

Well that's part of the fun of it, isn't it.

The flat pack?

I mean I say fun in quotation marks because I personally don't think it's fun.

But in terms of I mean you mentioned London in the What Where When?

What would that have been?

That was nineteen eighty eight?

Yeah?

Was it the same kind of huge sensation?

It was even then than it is now because in the eighties you didn't have social media or the Internet and things like that.

Yeah, it's funny.

I was reflecting on that the other day.

I mean, it's almost I don't know I remember it.

I don't know why I was there.

I don't know how I knew it was going on.

Maybe there was an advert in the Evening Standard.

It wasn't far from my flat, but it I remember going to work it the next day and wherever people were talking about it, and so I guess it was.

It must have been on the news.

It must have been on the radio.

Maybe there was a piece of it in the Standard in the morning when people are getting on the tube with their newspaper.

But you're right.

I mean, I think it's funny now that having lived now with social media for ten fifteen years, we almost forgotten how did these things get shared and amplified and so on before all that happened.

But I guess we just found other ways.

I mean, apartment the meals, people talk to each other about it.

Do you think Ikea will have to adapt to the key We market or is Ikea just Ikea?

Well, I think initially, I mean they are just Ikea their product range.

They're not going to develop products just for this market and all.

You know, I'm not quite sure what products we were uniquely we would uniquely need.

I mean, we're a lot different rest of the world.

However, they have done a lot of groundwork, which they've talked about some of their media relations around going into Kiwi homes and understanding what how key Wes use products, what they need.

I think probably understanding things like how key We use their garages, as you know, as well as their outdoors and so on.

So I think probably it will be more they'll show up with the ranging because they they'll have a vast array of ranges, but not everything will be as appropriate in Autland as it might be in Tokyo or New York or whatever.

So I think, yeah, we'll get a profile which will be developed deemed appropriate based on those insights.

What do you make of the main freight partnership?

Is that something quite unique for those who don't know they're going to be doing this main freight to home service and the offer will take heavier items into people's homes if that was their preferred option.

That's quite revolutionary because I always fret when I buy something or a piece of furniture thinking am I going to fit it into my car?

Or am I going to be able to carry this up my drive?

So that's quite a unique.

Having a main freight, you know, a couple of them actually lug it into.

Your house is quite special.

I think, yeah, well they are operating distribution in some other markets, especially where they don't have those stores.

I mean, it's certainly a very smart, strong play for this market.

You know, suddenly you know they've only got one store, but it's almost like have they got twenty nine stores, and we're also living in an evolved age of e commerce.

People's happiness buying or line ever since Covid was a bit of a game changer for online buying in New Zealand, which is has always been a little bit behind the rest of the Western world in terms of uptake on e commerce.

But it kind of makes sense for Ikea, especially once people have some familiarity with products.

You know, if you're if you're living down country and your your friend is it shows you, shows you their food on which they're really delighted with, and you go, well, I'll have one of those, you know you if you just order one, then you can pick it up from your main freight delivery, so it's all to have it delivered into the house.

So I think it's going to allow their distribution to be really powerful, and for other brands that are in that in that especially about heavier furniture offering, it's it's going to put some pressure on them.

Your opening is also going to allow many New Ylanders for once again experience the love of Swedish meatballs that they remember from visiting Ikea stores overseas.

I think all of us who have lived overseas and I did so for some time.

Are very familiar where you put an itinerary together for your key.

We friends and family coming to visit you, and they say that very lovely.

But can we go to Ikea support and.

Whether it's in Chicago or London, where I was for some time, and say that looks great, but let's get to the Ika quickly please.

The only reason I can think of for Ikea that that mate would perhaps not make it work so well here is that because there's been an absence in the market of Ikea for so long.

The likes of Kmart and the warehouse have their own flat pack furniture, obviously not to the scale of as Ikea, but people have gotten you know, cupboards and bookshelves and desks and things like that already.

Do you think that IKEA's products will hit.

As hard as it would have without those competitives, or do you think Kmart and the warehouse and the like should just give up?

Now?

Oh?

No, I mean I think it's not always.

I mean, first of all, I mean the people like to have choice, and you're going to have loyal shoppers that cam loyal shoppers at the warehouse.

Ike is going to come in and it won't be for everyone, and I think in a way probably, I mean, it'll be interesting in those retailers have been doing research on what might happen once I here in market and how does it maybe reshape their ranging?

You know, they may go down a price pointing strategy or you know, if there's resistance to flat pack, do do they have less?

You know, maybe not quite so flat pack not more ready to go?

And also I mean fundamentally is for business they're in.

I mean, I think provided they can they can see an appropriate ROI they'll you know that they'll stick at it, but they probably need to.

It may make them think about the ranging and what you know, because they may find they get really disrupted in some areas but maybe less so in others.

Can you show some examples of perhaps international brands that we've gotten quite excited about and that have actually thrived in New Zealand?

Of course I'm thinking initially straight off the back, Costco for example, that was huge when I came.

I went to Costco on the second weekend that it was open, and I regret it.

It was terrifying.

Yeah.

Well, actually I went to the opening day you can tell I'm a bit of an opening day junkie.

And I went round and it was, Yes, it was quite quite the thing.

I mean, the cues, the crowds, that raphic, the trap for traffic was I deliberately part of the little way away and I walked in.

I decided I didn't want to get stuck in the car park.

I think part of the big thing was with the sheer bars, the smiles on people's faces, the cues for the for the one dollar hot dogs, and and I think just the you know Costo like II here, it's a scale thing.

You know, it's big, and you know very much.

You know, a retail, a retail cathedral, and so yeah, babe, I mean certainly in Costco is just hasn't got quieter.

You know, Like the queues, especially at weekends are arch quite incredible, although they do pretty well at pumping people through, but yeah, anytime you want to go over, you're going to see it's going to be pretty busy.

And the queue for their hot roast chickens and things as never seems to diminish.

They just get wiped out.

So I mean, yeah, they've done well.

I mean, some others have found a little bit harder.

I think, you know, Sephora has found a little bit harder.

Obviously.

You know, the top Shop brand came into New Zealand although it wasn't it wasn't directly owned by top Shop itself, so it was through a local partnership, so it didn't have the same financial dynamics that it would be have been the actual brand owner coming in in terms of margin.

So I think they found a bit tougher because they opened up at a magnificent site on Queen Street and it was a really lovely store, and foot traffic to it looked pretty good.

But I think just getting those most margin aspects of your overhease too high, it's just very hard in retail.

And you know, we've had other brands here, I mean, you know, Laura Ashley, Body Shotpp and so on.

It's still have kind of come and gone, but they've they've also been having challenges.

You know, some retail brands go through challenges globally anyway, just as as trends change.

I mean, the retail chain it's it's not quite on the same level as I here, but the ones we are really killing it over here.

Time in his chemist Warehouse and you know they they've really tapped into something that you know, we didn't really have that large scale, low cost chemist pharmacy offering and all those brands before.

And you know they I mean I just saw yesterday is a new one going up to down the road and go wow.

They I mean, they're they're they're just going gamebusters.

Yeah, They're popping up everywhere, aren't they.

I mean, if you could waive a magic wand and have an overseas retailer come here tomorrow, or really look at New Zealand as.

A really good option, what would it be?

I know what my couple are, so I've been advocating for Audi to come here for a long time.

They've just grown roots in Australia.

And then another one that I was thinking of the other day, would would we would we like a Walmart or something here?

Well, in a way, the warehouses are Walmart, so I think I mean, who knows, maybe the Walmart could buy the warehouse and then that would that that would be interesting the an Audi, Yeah, I mean the the I mean, obviously it's maybe strange.

A whole other podcast conversation would be, you know, the whole supermarket thing and yeah, you know, and but but you know, oldie, you know, to come in, it's it's just such a you know, one of your other questions before is you know, we are a very small market for which is why I hear of taking their time to come here.

They have been richer solutions before, all richer market options to go into.

So so it's when people do come here, it's because they've worked out or they think they've worked out how to make money.

I mean brands.

For me selfishly, it's I'm quite passionate about some overseas apparel brands.

So there's one particular favorite of mine is an Italian brand called Boggy and it's it's a men's web brand, so you know, basically you can buy it online.

They they ship out of Australia, but if you actually want to go to a store, you usually have to be in Italy.

The chances of from companies in a rather slim.

But then you know, maybe moving back and be said for some other some other things, in the old days, I would have said I would have loved to have had a Virgin megastore here because that was a place I spent an awful lot of time in the n the eighties and nineties.

But as you know, music and entertainment shopping is chat.

When we used to have records and CDs, records.

And CDs and Virgin Megastore was like the ultimate place, Bad and Tower Records of the ultimate places.

But they don't really insist the same way now, so it's not quite the same call.

What would convince someone like another one over in Adelaide's just got a couple of TK Max's and a unique cloth.

And there's another Japanese brand that we were talking about before.

I think it's Mooji.

What would make you know one of those brands actually look at New Zealand?

What do we have to do.

Well?

It may partly be seeing some of these other international operators succeeding.

So I mean Costo, I don't know whether IQ have been IQ have been coming for years, and I don't know whether Costo actually getting in and breaking ground and building is helped.

If ikea similar confidence to come into market, it probably I mean for them, it's probably seen what is the economic situation, what what is working or thriving in New Zealand And?

And identifying market gaps?

You know, what isn't being said I think that's you know, come back to Chemist Warehouse.

Why they've done well is there was nothing like it in market, and you know, the the established retailers of day to day pharmacy goods were we're doing in a in a much more traditional way.

So they've come in discounted, but also the arranging is very very different, you know.

I mean another brand that would be really interesting over here is Primark, which is you know, again fast fashion, super cheap.

You know, it's you can you can get kitched out for so little and they and they their stores are massive over in particular the UK and multi floor pretty much pick up whatever you want.

I would have thought the Prime RK would kill over here.

Actually it would if if they come back to point why would they come here?

They would just had to establish that there was a market gap that wasn't being served well by the existing insisting players.

Thanks for joining us, Ben.

You're welcome.

It's pleasure.

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