Peter Live on Sky News Australia.

Good evening, Welcome to the program.

Here's what's coming up to Nano Predline Live to Bondi for the latest on the ground, including the response from the Jewish community, which sadly warned a terror attack was all but inevitable due to a lack of leadership from the government.

I'll get the latest on the alleged government too, speak into two national security experts.

How this could have happened undetected and what's likely to be happening behind the scenes is counter terrorism police investigate and that's happening at pace the background of these two men despite the reluctance of authorities to give much away in terms of information to the public class.

Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott will join me for a hard conversation about how Australians have been failed by their leaders and what must happen now.

How do we stop importing international hatreds into Australia.

Can we turn our country around?

I know that's what we all want to know.

And lots of platitudes form the Prime Minister today and late last night, but I've heard little of substance in terms of his failure to tackle anti Semitism.

It is need to take personal responsibility and be accountable for what is just occurring.

There is something to be feared and it is the obligation of society to repair this harm that has been done.

We've seen a clear lack of leadership in keeping Jewish Australians safe.

Last night, as I stood in my kitchen like many of you, starting to cook dinner with Sky News on in the background, I watched the early reports of a mass shooting on Sydney's Bondai Beach and as I suspect, like many of you too, I ran the gauntlet of emotions from horror, sadness, to anger, but not disbelief, not shock, because what happened yesterday was utterly foreseeable, and it's been for seeable ever since terrorists crossed the border from Gaza into Israel, slaughtered men, women, children, babies with that depravity, then celebrated on streets in this country.

Within hours, I'm smiling and I'm happy.

That's a day of courage.

Today in Bondai is the enormity of what happened yesterday hit home.

Shell shocked locals stood by the beach in disbelief, huddled together, unable, perhaps unwilling, to comprehend the tragedy that had taken place in such an iconic setting, an image of Australia, our brand, going the world over, and as they stood together asking why how did we get here?

They still walk to a spot on the famous Bondai pavilion to lay flowers in tribute to the dead, an image now synonymous with how the public reacts to what they can't understand, what they don't want to understand.

But it's not enough to mourn and grieve, important though that is, and it is certainly not what we want or need from our political leaders.

Frankly, I am sick of politicians and then plastic wrap flowers as our response to crises, when it's their job as our leaders, to be so much more than just mourners in chief, so much more than just disaster tourists.

With the whole apparatus of government in their hands, the police, the security agencies, even the military if needed, they have what it takes to keep us safe, and that is their first and most important job.

The hand ringing in the flowers.

Honestly, it's hardly better than an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff.

It's our leaders, and only our leaders who can harness the laws and the people to act.

And where they do not, where they have been slow to act or not acted at all, then they must share responsibility for the dead.

As a nation, we got our wake up call on this hatred over two years ago, and because his hatred was allowed to go all but unchecked, it's metastasized into the evil we saw yesterday on the beach at Bondai, a father and son team who treated a Jewish religious celebration as a shooting gallery.

Yet another Australian landmark, chosen very deliberately so that the image would go around the world, now associated with savage due hatred, just like the opera House, Bondai is now disfigured.

The Opera House, look at that that angry mob there just two days after October seven, before Israel had even launched any retaliatory response against the Gaza terror state.

Then the Harbor Bridge at the Sydney Harbor Bridge, one hundred thousand people marching against Israel, against Jews with crowds bang for blood, and now Bondai, fifteen in since killed because they were celebrating Hahnaka, over forty wounded and hospitalized.

At every level, governments in Australia have been guilty of handwringing impotence in the face of mounting Jew hatred, hate preachers that haven't been shut down.

They haven't been jailed, nor have they been deported.

Sifa men fatlahud hiyah and nahum shah them ah shahabun, you're hid saftut them.

The trees will seek, the soul will speak, and I will say, I believe there is a YAHOODI behind me.

Come and kill him.

You had this part of our dean and one of the highest spinners o our.

Dean, Hammas is much you did?

And freedom fighters and.

What is.

The bottom face of Australia hate marches that haven't been stopped.

Flags of terror groups Hamas and hezbel are proudly on display, something that the former Treasurer Josh Freinberg, talking to my colleague Karen Gilbert, referred to today.

People are waving Hamas and hesbela and Isis flags and where is the sanction or saying death to the IDF And then when in the nurses in Australia talk about death to Israelis we're supposed to be told that this is simply a joke.

Throughout this sorry two years of an action, the worst culprit has been our Prime Minister.

The greatest derogation of duty has been his, the man who is still at heart the hard left activist of his youth, who has failed to lift to the standard we expect of our national leader.

It starts with our Prime Minister and it goes down through his ministers and everybody who is in a position of responsibility who has failed in their public duty to protect our citizens.

Kieran I sat in the audience in November twenty twenty three at the Holocaust Museum in the aftermath of October the seventh, and heard from our Prime minister say in his own words that he would not allow antisemitism to get a foothold in Australia.

What a failure that has.

Been until last night.

This was a prime minister who's often seemed more concerned to criticize Israel than crack down an out of controlled you hatred here in Australia.

A prime minister who positively gloated on the world stage about recognizing Palestine, or failing to recognize that in doing so, he left Australian Jews feeling vulnerable and abandoned.

Right now, Gaza is in the grip of a humanitarian catastrophe and the Israeli government must accept its share of responsibility.

For two years, this Prime Minister and his ministers have found it almost impossible to mention anti Semitism without coupling rampant anti Semitism with an almost non existent Islamophobia.

It couldn't appoint an envoy into antisemitism without also appointing one into Islamophobia.

And five months off there's been no adequate response from the government to Gillian Segal's report.

There's been no crackdown on the universities that tolerated anti Semitic encampments.

There's been no stronger laws through the Parliament to address anti Jewish hate speech.

The number one job, as I said, of any Prime minister, is to do whatever is needed to keep citizens safe.

John Howard knew that when he stood before the mob following port Arthur, when he took on many of his own supporters.

But that's what leadership is about the Prime minister.

By contrast, this prime minister wouldn't know what leadership is.

He's got no trouble going to sporting events and concerts, the footy file finals and all those overseas trips.

He had a week's break off after those UN meetings, has even had time to get married, but he can't find the time to respond to his anti sem and report.

It is appalling.

Whatever you want to call it, it is not leadership on national security Anthony Albanezi is wanting.

Before he was elected PM, indeed, he had never touched any defense or security portfolio in his twenty five years plus in the Federal Parliament.

And it shows who can forget that one of his first acts in the job was to throw the Federal Police Chief and the ASO boss out of the National Security Cabinet room.

And doesn't that just say everything about his priorities.

And the Jewish community are hurting today Today all Australians wrap our arms around them.

It looks it's fine and it's good to say, let's wrap our arms around our Jewish Australians.

But what about just protecting them better?

What about doing more to uphold Australian values with which the recent our pourings of anti Jewish hate are so at odds?

What about standing up for our Anglo Celtic core culture that's always made Jewish people feel welcome in this country and made them made them.

The commander of our armed forces in John Mannett Monash, a Chief Justice of Australia in Isaac Isaacs, and a Governor General, missus Elman Cowen.

This was once a country where we celebrated Jewish Australians and now it's a place where not only don't they feel safe, but they are also in fact not safe.

They are not safe.

We're on our streets.

Their lives are at risk.

How do you explain that to your daughters?

I this time I couldn't really explain it, you know, she said to me, I'm scared.

And previously, after the attack on our former home and things like that, I could tell her it's okay, we're safe.

I can't say that anymore.

We're not safe.

If Jews get slaughtered on Bondo Beach and body bags are piled up at this place, we're not safe.

And as we know, if you know your history, if Jews are not safe in your nation, no one is safe.

This is where we are tonight in Australia.

After we mourn the dead, let us all use our grief and our justifiable anger and rage to force change not just with this Prime Minister, but the others that come after him and our governments of the future.

Because to turn around this hatred it will be a fight for more than just one term of parliament.

We must overturn some three or so decades of immigration policy we have brought into this country hatreds that have no place in Australia.

What about upholding and celebrating our Judeo Christian ethos, which holds that all men and women are equal in the sight of God.

December fourteenth, twenty twenty five will be marked by history as one of our very worst days.

But it is what comes now that really matters, and that is how we, all of us, will be judged in the future.

I'm afraid to say there's only one story in our nation, pretty much around the world tonight.

That's got a camper now for the headline.

Skyy's political reporter Trundy Macintosh.

Anti Semitic hate on the streets of Bondai quickly shifts to anger.

If we can't gather at Bondai Beach to light a hanakia and enjoy the beach in the weather This is a colossal failing of this government.

The Prime Minister one of the first to lay a floral tribute outside Bondai Pavilion on Monday morning, as Israel's Prime minister accused him of failing to cush hatred towards Jews.

You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were growing inside your country and the result is the horrific attacks on Jews we saw today.

This is a moment for national unity.

This is a moment for Australians to come together.

That precisely what we will be doing.

Since October seven, Australia has been plagued with anti Semitic attacks.

What we've seen has been the logical progression demonizing Jews with ratrek, which slowly builds up to acts of violence.

The opposition leader met Jewish leaders at the makeshift memorial.

I understand the sense of frustration and real anger that is being expressed, and I've heard it today.

The Bondeye massacre triggered a chorus of calls for the Alberneezy government to show leadership.

A vacuum emerged and it has been filled with evil.

Who is going to be accountable for this?

Who is going to take personal responsibility for this.

The Prime Minister promises to confront the scourge head on.

The government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.

That includes a crackdown on Australia's gun laws.

If we need to touch from these up, if there's anything we can do, I'm certainly up for it.

It's been revealed Asio investigated twenty four year old gunman Navide Akram six years ago but found he didn't present an ongoing threat.

He was examined on the basis of being associated with others and the assessment was made that there was no indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging in violence.

The Home Affairs Minister revealed more about the pair's visa history.

The son is an Australian born citizen.

The father arrived in nineteen ninety eight on a student visa, transferred in two thousand and one to a partner visa, and after each trip overseas since then, has been on resident return visas, which has occurred three times.

Prime Minister's task now to find a way to heal a nation coming to grips with its worst massacre in nearly three decades.

Trudy McIntosh sky News.

All right, let's sad now to Bondai for an update on the ground.

Joining me Skuy's reporter Jonathan Lee.

Jonathan, thank you.

What's the latest on the alleged terrorist tonight?

What can you tell us?

Well, good evening to you, Peter, and good evening to those at home.

Incredibly powerful and poignant scenes here, but we can tell you about the two gunmen, A father's son terror team from Bonnie.

It would seem home.

Grown, very much in its roots in western Sydney.

Sajd Akram, a fifty year old as you heard before, came to Australia in nineteen ninety eight on a student visa and his twenty four year old son Navide Akram, an Australian born citizen.

Here.

The father died at the scene.

He was gunned down, it appears by police.

His son remains in a critical condition in hospital under police guard.

Peter, what's the mood on the ground.

I don't imagine.

There is a lot of talking going on behind you.

It seems very solemn and I've watched those floral tributes grow by the hour.

It is pointed, it is powerful.

People are prickling with anger, holding it in as best they can.

Most of them are standing silently.

They've grown from a couple of hundred at one stage.

The circle the inner circle is maybe sixty or seventy.

I'd estimate this now at least two thousand people here, many standing in silence.

There might be a technological generation, but many people have their phones in their pockets.

I caught up with an American.

Nurse by the name of Caitlin a little earlier.

She was standing on the first floor of a building watching Jews, in effect being hunted.

My god, that sounds as bad as it.

It feels as bad as it.

Sounds when I say it out loud, Peter.

These are her words when she describes banging on the windows.

So I live right there in that blue building, in the first floor, and so at first I thought there was just fireworks for the celebration, and notice when it persisted.

I then saw outside, and I saw the two gunmen.

I just continued to film from my apartment because there's something I could do.

And once I saw the gunmen shut down, I ran outside.

I've read a lot of reports today, and it certainly come up during the press conferences John O that the police were slow to respond that's been certainly comments from people in Bondai.

Have you heard that on the.

Ground, Yeah, it is certainly something which was dealt with at the press conference.

Now, the police commissioner made the point that officers were tasked here to protect the event.

They wouldn't specifically say how many people were on the duty and effect at the time.

Now, Huneker is a festival of the light in many regards for Christians, it might be better described as something like carols by candlelight at time when the community comes together and celebrates the end of the year.

We spoke with one gentleman, a leader in the community.

He made the point that our leaders and the police need to think about how they hunt these terrorists to save them from being hunted.

Have a listen.

So ultimately, the responsibility of our government to secure society and to ensure that we can continue to enjoy facilizens like Bondi Beach without feeling that we have to look.

Over our shoulders for you being hunted.

That we're being hunted, and right now extreme Islamic she hud is hunting us.

This is heartbreaking stuff.

John a lot of praise today for the extraordinary bravery of the local fruit shop owner.

He tackled one of the shooters.

We've seen that footage.

It's gone around the world.

He remains in hostile tonight as a result of his gunshot injuries.

What can you tell.

Us, Yeah, armored, l armored.

There's plenty of talk for him, a Muslim gentleman himself.

We understand it goes.

To show the true multicultural nation that we live in.

We haven't been told too much about him at the moment.

I don't believe that his injuries are critical from what I've heard, Peter.

But you talk about Bondai, you talk about it being a multicultural melting potter place where people come to leave their worries behind them.

It's truly egalitarian.

We're all equal here when we.

Take off our clothes and we go to bathe and we have a dip, and it's where the community perhaps was at its most vulnerable.

We also need to respect the courage of the New South Wales police who responded and brought down the gunman as well.

Peter, so some truly incredible scenes.

What really caught me was just the fact that so many of those were captured on telephones.

Even that drone vision brought home for many what felt like a movie, what sounded like fireworks, but is trauma unlike anything we have seen in this nation for the better part of the last twenty nine years.

We are a different country.

Tonight, nearly twenty four hours on Peter.

Thank you, Jonathan Carious one day at the pavilion that's gone out to discuss the reaction of the Sydney Jewish community and Australian Jews.

Australians will broadly joining me now the CEO of the Australian Jewish Association, Robert Gregory.

Robert welcome, the condolences of the nation go to Jewish Australians and Sydney Jews in particular.

I want to pick up something that Gillian Siegel, the author of a report that might have helped solve some of these anti Semitic issues in this country that is languishing on the Prime Minister's desk.

She made the point that the inter Farta, which you know, the haters that the Islamists had wanted to take a global is now on the Australian shores.

What's your reaction to the events of the last twenty four hours.

Yeah, Jillian Siagul's right.

The chance that we heard for two years now on our streets, on the Sydney Harbor Bridge, at the Sydney Opera House calling to globalize the intifarer, Well, it's been globalized.

This is what it looks like, dead bodies on Bondo Beach.

We knew about this for years.

The government knew about it.

People like yourself, people like my organization, the Jewish community warned the government this was coming.

No one in the Jewish community surprised.

We're all very heard, upset, and increasingly what I'm hearing is people are angry.

They're very angry that they weren't listening to that this was preventable, that we had a government that was more interested in revoking the visas of Jewish visitors, of Israeli visitors, rather than deporting extremist clerics and radical people like this.

Yes, I can't recall a radical imam one who has been deported from Australia.

I know that's been quite common in Europe in the past two years, but it has not been something at all that's publicized in Australia.

I don't think it's happened.

But Tony Burke can of course pick up the phone and correct me.

A lot of these imms performing it is electorate, which is also concern.

I'll get to him a little bit later.

Anti Semitism.

Today, Susan Lee said the government has always seen this as a problem to be managed, as opposed to an evil that must be eradicated.

I thought that was a very strong statement.

Yeah, you're right.

I think the only time we saw the government take this a bit seriously was when we saw the attack on the Dusk Synagogue and we had an election campaign.

I think the government were worried.

They didn't want something like this to occur during the campaign.

But after that, I mean, they appointed the commissioner.

They've ignored everything that Gillian Siegel said, they haven't adopted it.

So they're trying to manage things and in this case it hasn't worked.

And we've seen tragedy.

Criticism too about not enough security at these Harneker events.

I noticed in one of the earlier press conferences from the Prime Minister today he sort of was crowing about bringing forward some funding that was to be announced in my EFO, the budget update that's sooner upon us, in relation to giving Jewish organizations more money to assist the way you already fund from your own resources security at your schools and events and synagogues in a way that no other faith has to in this country.

What does your community say about the events of yesterday, the security that you have around you, and what more needs to happen in the future.

So the security costs the Jewish community faces are crippling.

Every Jewish children in preschool need to have armed guards, Every little event needs to have security, and any assistance from the government is sadly necessary, but it is very much appreciated.

But an event like this and the details will still come out.

But we're hearing there were police there.

There's contradictions about you know, whether they why did it take ten minutes, Why was it a civilian that had to try and disarm this terrorist?

What went wrong?

And we're here during the government trying to deflect saying they want to tighten gun laws, as if that was the problem.

In fact, i'm hearing now that perhaps one of the issues was security.

There was not able to be armed because the gun laws are too tired, and because to do with Bone Beach being in an open space.

So there's allegations that there was not able to be armed.

Security guys there, which would have had a very different result when this happened.

I think tonight so many Australians are with you.

We want to be able to show our support to the Jewish community.

You may not have an answer for us now, but I would like you and organizations like others to think deeply about how non Jewish Australians can show solidarity because we have all watched with her.

I mean, I've got a wonderful platform here to speak my mind and speak up for your community.

But I know so many people contact me.

They are angry about the protests, They're angry about the last two and a half years, but they want to demonstrate and show Jewish Australians that they support you.

So let's come back to that at another time when we're pasted obviously this initial grieving.

Thank you, Robert.

Look after the break, I want to return to this issue.

I want to return to the issue of asy Oh and the Federal Police.

I've got an inkling on what's happening behind the scenes.

Let's talk to and experts and explain what the government isn't telling you.

Welcome back well last night, as the full scale of the BONDEI terror attack became clear.

I was on UK television discussing the fallout as the rest of the world was reacting to events that we had just witnessed.

Now it was surreal to talk about something we fear would happen, but we hoped never would.

Yet Australia is now no longer safe, no longer immune from this depravity.

The choice of BONDI was very very deliberate, as was the use of the Sydney Opera House.

Just days after October seven, so to the use of the Harbor Bridge one thousands marched their hate field pro Palestinian events.

Everything that's been done so far has been coordinated, very deliberate, all designed to go around the world as it now has here to help deal with some of the national security background issues I want to get into with more detail.

Former Defense official security expert, of course, adjunct fellow now at the Institute of Public Affairs, Peta Jennings, thank you for your time.

I regret we're talking to each other under these circumstances.

Before we have a discussion about ASO and what we both know is likely to be happening behind closed doors, I want to get your reaction to these global headlines and the significant response to world leaders, including Donald Trump and Benjamin Netanyahu.

I think we have a grab.

Let's have a listen.

Oh, we haven't got a grab.

I feel we've lost our innocence in the past twenty four hours.

You know how this is received overseas by all the other intelligence agencies.

Our prime ministers also had some very blunt advice from the Israeli PM give me your.

View, blunt and angry advice.

I think because so many people, including the both of us, Peter knew this was coming.

I mean, we've been talking and writing about this for several years, the mounting anger and tension on our streets, the increasing violence, the foreign interference, as you pointed out, the coordinated nature of much of the protest activity.

So I think we have frankly got to expect that there are going to be countries and individuals, like many in Congress in the United States, that are going to be extremely critical of our government because the Albanezi government just doesn't get it.

Including today, Peter, the Albanese government will read off lists of how they've done things like ban the swastika, for which you can be fined sixteen thousand dollars or something if you carry one.

I mean this, when we've seen six seen people killed in Bondai.

It's just not good enough, Peter, and our government has to understand that.

I think there's a mounting sense of anger amongst all Australians, not just Jews, all Australians, that they need to deal with this thoroughly and quickly, and not by engaging in a few more handout of dollars for security to Jewish groups.

This is a national problem and our Prime Minister has to lead in resolving it quickly.

I would regard it as a national crisis.

And I also think we're not being told enough publicly by the Prime Minister.

There's deceptive language in all the press conferences that I'm watching absolutely everything.

I'm reading the transcripts again in case I might miss something.

Let's have a listen to comments when asked today about the reports, and they were reports only at that time that the younger shooter was known to Azio.

Let's have a listen to what the Prime Minister said.

He was examined on the basis of being associated with others and the assessment was made that there was no indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging in violence.

Okay with others, Peter Jennings, If you look now at the reports on the ABC, the others we're talking about there are in Islamic State cell.

Now the Prime Minister deliberately avoided referencing the fact that the others it could have been, you know, some bad dudes down in the park, you know, anything quite benign, because it was then dismissed by Asio.

But the others are in Islamic State cell.

You and I know what happened around the heightened period of Islamic State in fourteen, fifteen and sixteen, So that would concern me.

Did Asio slip up?

And are we not being told the whole truth by the Prime Minister?

Well, we are clearly not being told the whole truth.

And for some reason, the GUP it feels that it needs to continue to sort of hide some of these activities behind a veil, which I think is completely inappropriate and will ultimately come out in time.

I think it's the fear of the angry response from the Australian public that makes the government do this.

As for Asio's position, ASIO is understaffed and underresourced and has been for a very long time.

It puts its biggest priority on being able to deal with the threats which it can identify that may emerge in the next forty eight seventy two hours.

And I can't say that I really fault them for that.

They can't track everyone that maybe eight or ten years ago might have been showing signs of radicalization.

But for all of that, I'm not making excuses here.

There's a problem with a father who's a gun owner that has six long arm weapons.

There's a problem with a son who is known now to have had some association with the Islamic State.

It clearly turned out that he had continued violence on his mind, and we're now.

Paying the price for that.

And so the question I have is, well, how many other people, how many other father son combinations might there be like that out there?

We hear from the head of Asia, Well, there's no current threat that we're aware of, But then again, we weren't aware of this a threat on Sunday evening either.

So I think there's every reason for Australians to be seriously concerned.

And we're in this situation because the government has allowed it to generate.

They've allowed it to heat up over the last couple of years.

They've not taken it seriously and now they're going to reap the consequences.

I want to play some comments from Mike Bozullo, former Head of Home Affairs, so has had carriage of these areas in the federal government before let's have a listen.

The immediate investigation has to be allowed to proceed unfettered.

They need to be talking to relatives, to associates, to any affiliates of these two.

A gentleman low weather it at that and wait for that.

You might miss things that you can reform quickly, and they.

Need a parallel effort.

I would assign it to my old department, the Department of Home Affairs.

There is a counter terrorism coordinator, very senior official, someone that I deeply respect, Hamish Hansford.

He should be looking at under the auspices of that title.

What can we do immediately, what can we do in the medium term, and what needs to be done in the long term.

It hasn't escaped my memory when we had man Haaren monos.

If we remember the Lint siege about this same time of year and the atrocities that went on there, that there was an immediate under Prime Minister ABO at the time, and immediate I think it only was three or four weeks, an immediate inquiry so that action could be taken on issues right now in an immediate time frame, and then a longer term inquiry about better coordination in the state and federal level.

I have not forgotten either, and I doubt you have that the Prime Minister through the AFP boss and the AZO boss out of the NSC, the National Security Committee of Cabinet.

He was forced to bring them back in.

But Peter Jennings, this says everything about his understanding of an interest in national security to.

Be that's right.

He threw out the intelligence heads in March of twenty twenty four and he brought in Chris Bow and the Energy and Climate Change Minister because that's what his priorities were.

And look, I mostly agree with Mike Pozzullo's comments, Peter, we can't just wait for a police investigation here.

There's a couple of things I would do.

I would recall Parliament.

I would create an opportunity for every single member of Parliament and the Senate to be on the record saying where they are when it comes to dealing with this issue of antisemitism.

I think it's important we know where our elected representatives are.

The second thing I'd do is I'd bring Jillian Siegull, the anti Semitism Envoy, into Cabinet and I would say that cabinet should instantly agree to adopt all of her recommendation for counting anti semitism, and then the prime ministers should drive every minister around the cabinet table to say, right, you've got a month to tell me how you're going to implement your part of the Seagull recommendations in your areas of portfolio of responsibility across Australia.

And I think there are many other things that can be done.

Overwhelmingly, though, all I get is a sense of passivity from Anthony Alberanzi.

He's going to wait to see what the police investigation comes up with and then maybe he'll think about doing things.

No, the Prime minister has to lead.

We don't wait for police reports.

We elect our representatives for them to take responsibility for these actions.

That's what this government has failed to do.

And now I think Alberzi needs to lead or get out of the way.

Get out of the way or laid.

You're spot on there.

Thank you very much, Petter Jennings.

Let's stay with policing.

We'll speak with a former federal Australian Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig, who joins me now.

David, one of the things that I noticed yesterday was how quickly and it's a good thing the new South Wales Police Commissioner mal Lanion made that declaration of a terror event.

Explain to people at home why that is so necessary in terms of now enabling all the coordination that we'd want to see, would all want to see at a state and federal level.

Well, it was interesting that that declaration came from the State Police and it was very apt and appropriate for Lanion to do that.

It opens up additional resourcing investigative tools that the AFP and the Joint cap Terrorism Teams with the State Police n ASIO can work towards and quickly track what is going on in a particular situation.

So it was very well done.

I think the coordination was okay, but there we have got this is a cornerstone moment, Peter.

If we don't change what we're doing now, then we're always doing We've always done, We'll always get what we've always got, and what we've got right now is an escalation in anti Semitism, a rise in radical Islamic movement and sentiment and acceptance in the wider Australian community.

And we need to take some steps and there are many that we can take to try and correct this, and nothing has been done by Anthony Elveneasy since October seventh.

I've served as in the Australian Father Police under five prime ministers.

I was a bodyguard for three of them, and I've never been so disappointed with a week spinalists prime minister as I have been.

He's allowed this anti Semitism to fester on his watch, and now look what he's got.

And it's not just now, it's what's going to happen next.

They are very strong, very strong words, David Craig, from anyone who's been in a role, a non partisan role as yours.

So I think we're all taking stock of what you just said.

There a spineless prime minister, the weakest prime minister that you have seen close quarters.

How on earth, I think most Australians are asking this today, How on earth does a father who is not an Australian citizen.

As we can see from the visa status forced out today from Tony Burke that has a SUN linked to an Islamic State terror cell.

The Prime Minister can't even say that it is Islamic state terror cell.

In his press conference he tried to dodge around that one.

How on earth does that man not only get access to licensing of six military type weapons and certainly long armed weapons, but the way in which he and his son moved, I mean it looked like they've had some level of paramilitary training.

That's the view of other law enforcement men and women I spoke to today.

How does that happen?

Look, the effects of the suspect Navid with Islamic State was six years ago.

I think that things can change even if the licensing laws were amended.

Now well, I think what's really dangerous, Peter, is that we dress and packaged this up as this is a fire firearms licensing issue.

This is not.

That's just the means that was used.

I agree.

I agree with you there.

Sorry, yeah, I agree with you that that's that's You're absolutely right, and that's my next question.

A concern I have is very quickly we've got this National Cabinet meeting this afternoon, the PM and all the premiers, and it's now become about the licensing regime for weapons in this country.

It's a debate about the six guns and not what the man did with the gun.

It's not the gun that slaughtered the people on the beach in Bondai yesterday.

It's a deranged, g hardest type person who did the damage.

And we can't confuse the two issues.

One hundred percent.

Peter.

There are some in the press that are drawing parallels with port Arthur.

But port Arthur came to a point where it was so dangerous that we and allow these types of firearms to get in the hands of someone that thinks like Martin Bryant.

Now, fortunately our society doesn't have many to think like him.

However, these two suspects, there are plenty on Azos radar and the AFP's radar that do think like this.

So if they don't get access to firearms, I'll get access to all weapon or I'll get access to explosives.

We need to.

Rethink how we are policing counterintelligence counter terrorism in our country.

Olive there we will speak, I'm sure of the next few days.

Thank you, David Craig.

All right after the break former Prime Minister Tony Abbott Live, welcome back on now to the political fallout and the fact that Anthony Albitteasy has been warned time and time again that this could happen if we allowed you hate to grow infester in Australia.

Joining me is someone who has led the nation for I'm a Prime minister at Tony Abbott.

Tony, thank you for your time at twenty four hours on now, a very dark time for our country.

But it wasn't as if we were not warned.

Was it.

You're right, Peter.

The horror of all of this is that this is the worst atrocity perpetrated against Jewish people anywhere in the world since October seven, and it happened here in Australia, a country that has always prided itself on how well everyone got on.

And without wanting to be too personal, I think that what we've seen from all levels of government in this country since October the seventh is handringing impotence in the face of example after example of due hatred.

No hate preachers have been deported or prosecuted, no hate marches have been banned.

Excuses have been made time and time again for people screaming out f the Jews or screaming out death to the IDF.

Now, if you effectively tolerate hateful thoughts, sooner or later you'll have hate filled actions.

And that's what we've got.

What we have got here twenty four hours ago is if you're like the consequence of two years of sustained hate speech against Jewish Australians.

In the press conferences today, you know, when I asked really pointed questions Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke and the Prime Minister Ben Burke in particular, they dodged and weaved, They gave non answers are they Duckshove questions?

They said that I'm not cleared to say this, that I am not cleared to say that things had to be drawn right out from them, particularly the fact that the elder shooter, an now deceased shooter doesn't appear to have been an Australian citizen, was going backwards and forwards to his home country of Pakistan.

God knows what he was doing while he was there.

All of these things, Tony Abbott, Australians deserve answers to it.

We deserve a Prime Minister and a Foreign a Home Affairs minister who look like they are in charge, that they are across their brief that they are running the show in Canberra, because it does not feel like that right now.

Yes, Peter, Look, we have a government which is comprised of social justice warriors, not of national security warriors.

I don't think anyone in this government ever looks comfortable talking about national security.

And yet that is the first responsibility of government to keep our people safe and to keep our country free.

And we really do have to wake up to ourselves.

We cannot keep importing hatreds from overseas.

We have to look into the backgrounds of people who get long term visas to live in this country and if their values and attitudes are inconsistent with living in a free, liberal, pluralist democracy like Australia, well we shouldn't have them.

I think we're all sick of politicians laying flowers down after the event tiny.

We want them to stop this happening.

Exactly right, Peter.

It's one thing saying that we need to wrap our arms around Jewish Australians hang on what Jewish Australians want is protection, not sympathy after the event, and that's what plainly they haven't got.

I just repeat, Peter, a serious, serious government in this country, he would have deported hate preachers.

It would have prosecuted people spilling the bile that we've seen all too often in our streets and in mosques and prayer rooms, and it would have banned these hate marches.

I mean, what possessed the authorities in New South Wales and in Canberra to permit that march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge.

What motivated them to turn what was effectively a blind eye to the protest on the steps of the Opera House within thirty six hours of the October seven atrocity.

I mean, the.

Only one who was arrested on that infamous night was someone carrying a Star of David flag.

I mean, we have just got this completely wrong from the beginning and it must change, and it must change from now.

I'd like you to stay with me, Tony Abbott.

I think this is an incredibly fortnite to speak to you about, particularly where we go to now with terror and the scourge of Islamism now in Australia.

Stay with me.

Quick break.

After the break, will turn it with Tony Abbot.

Welcome back, still with me Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott.

Tony Abbott today at Bonnai at the Pavilion, New South Wales.

Green Senator David Shuebridge turns up and had a pretty terse conversation with my colleague Carolyn Marcus.

Let's have a listen.

Do you take any responsibility for the environment that's been created, that this has happened?

People protesting against the genocide is a moment of showing common humanity.

I was talking to Peter Jennings a moment ago and he said if he was in charge, he would recall the Parliament and he would force everybody in the Parliament, particularly those in the Upper House, very clearly on the record voters in the future where they stand on the issue of anti Semitism.

Yeah, or due hatred, which I think is a better description.

Look, I think we've got a real problem with some people who should know better promoting hatred of Israel, and that easily spills over into hatred of Jewish people more generally, and hatred hatred of Jewish people more generally can as we saw spill over into the kind of atrocity we've just witnessed.

I think that's a real problem.

I also think, Peter, if I may say so, that some versions of Islam are not really compatible with life in a liberal, democratic, pluralist society.

Strict versions of Islam are not consistent with fragument's sake, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, democracy.

I mean, you can believe in the virgin birth and still support liberal democracy.

You can believe in the real presence and still support liberal democracy.

But I don't.

Believe that you can support sharia law, for instance, certainly not a strict form of Sharia law, and still support liberal democracy.

And I do think that for too long we have run away from these issues with this facile idea that all cultures are equal, all cultures are pretty much the same, everyone's basically a good bloke.

And what we've seen is that under the influence of extremist ideas and hate preaching, not everyone is a good bloke, certainly not all the time to everyone.

So why and then by secret bring back all those Islamic state women are not like to call them brides.

They were co conspirators, as you and I both know very well.

And why on earth do we take in three thousand Gazans that we could scarcely check appropriately given our lack of security personnel on the ground.

Why these very good questions, Peter, and I think a lot of Australians would find them pretty incomprehensible.

Unfortunately, most of what happens in politics goes on without much scrutiny.

And this is why we've got to be very careful about the governments we elect, because so much happens all the time, largely behind closed doors.

And if you've got a government which is more interested in demonstrating its pro Palestinian credentials than it is in keeping our country safe, this is exactly the kind of thing that happens.

My phone is flirted with people, Tony who want you to stay in the debate on this one, who wants you to help force some leadership in our country at a time when we desperately needed and aspine for our leaders.

So please do not drop your voice from the debate.

Thank you, Tony Avan.

That's it for me.

I wish it had been a better night of news to bring you.

It's a tough night.

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