00:00:13:04 - 00:00:36:07 Mike Jones I hope everybody out there is having a good holiday season. Penn and Teller are getting ready to do our big holiday shows at the Rio. And today we're talking with Tim Jenison. I don't know if you remember, he did this great movie called Tim's Vermeer. He started an amazing, huge tech company called New Tech. He's really kind of a, genius. 00:00:36:09 - 00:01:00:22 Mike Jones I guess it's a good word to describe him. He really has so many things going at all times. I didn't even get a chance to talk with him about his wildlife preserve that he's running, but he's busy building an analog recording studio, and it sounds like it's going to be really great. So I hope you enjoy listening to Tim Jenison this week on the stereo image. 00:01:02:10 - 00:01:26:01 Mike Jones this week on the stereo image, we're lucky enough to have the great Tim Jenison joining us. He's an incredible business owner, entrepreneur, inventor. Let's see. Musician, artist, Renaissance man, man about town, fashion plate. There's really so many, so many adjectives that I could use. 00:01:26:03 - 00:01:27:01 Tim Jenison But, 00:01:27:03 - 00:01:31:22 Mike Jones Thanks for coming out. And, Tim, I really appreciate it. This is going to be fun. 00:01:31:23 - 00:01:35:20 Tim Jenison Well, 00:01:35:22 - 00:01:41:18 Mike Jones Yeah, it was really great. And it was a little hectic. It was kind of a whirlwind trip. 00:01:41:20 - 00:01:43:22 Tim Jenison We got in, 00:01:43:23 - 00:01:47:03 Mike Jones Tuesday night. Ran around all day Wednesday. 00:01:48:05 - 00:01:50:06 Mike Jones Well, I went to the soundcheck Thursday. 00:01:50:08 - 00:01:50:22 Tim Jenison And then. 00:01:50:22 - 00:01:56:00 Mike Jones Had the show Thursday. Saw you Thursday Night live Friday morning. 00:01:56:02 - 00:01:56:16 Tim Jenison But. 00:01:56:18 - 00:01:59:16 Mike Jones Yeah, but it was it was a lot of fun. And, you know, 00:01:59:16 - 00:02:00:20 Mike Jones it's quite an accomplishment. 00:02:00:20 - 00:02:06:05 Tim Jenison I mean, to, you know, I've been I've been with him. 00:02:06:07 - 00:02:15:00 Mike Jones 23 years. So half the time they've been performing as Penn and Teller. 00:02:15:02 - 00:02:17:10 Tim Jenison I know, I know, it's it's insane. 00:02:17:10 - 00:02:23:06 Mike Jones I, I realized that I've spent the entire 21st century in Las Vegas so far. 00:02:23:08 - 00:02:25:10 Tim Jenison But, but, 00:02:25:12 - 00:02:28:16 Mike Jones So you're one of your one of the first people I met through. 00:02:28:16 - 00:02:31:03 Tim Jenison Penn, back in, 00:02:31:05 - 00:02:33:08 Mike Jones 2000. Something like that. 00:02:33:10 - 00:02:36:19 Tim Jenison And, I knew of you. 00:02:36:21 - 00:02:40:07 Mike Jones Through your video toaster, reputation. 00:02:40:09 - 00:02:43:20 Tim Jenison And, and, you know. 00:02:43:22 - 00:02:48:02 Mike Jones We've gotten to be we bonded over our love of Monty Alexander and. 00:02:48:04 - 00:02:52:11 Tim Jenison Yeah, yeah, no flares and, but, 00:02:52:13 - 00:03:05:14 Mike Jones You're right. Now I want I want to sort of jump right in because, I know that you talk probably way more than you care, not care to, but you're always talking about. 00:03:05:16 - 00:03:07:12 Tim Jenison Your, you know, your, 00:03:07:13 - 00:03:13:03 Mike Jones New tech and Lightwave and all those things that are important and. Great. But 00:03:13:03 - 00:03:19:05 Mike Jones I want to talk about, you're building a studio and your your love of music and your, 00:03:19:05 - 00:03:26:17 Mike Jones being in a band and all the stuff that, you know, the stuff that I. This is about what people listen to in the kind of music that they love. 00:03:26:17 - 00:03:28:09 Tim Jenison And. 00:03:28:11 - 00:03:34:00 Mike Jones You're in a really unique position because you're putting together this incredible analog space, 00:03:34:00 - 00:03:43:07 Mike Jones that harkens back to the music that you love. 00:03:59:02 - 00:04:06:12 Speaker 3 Oh, wow. 00:04:06:14 - 00:04:20:12 Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 00:04:29:09 - 00:04:39:06 Speaker 3 It is. 00:04:39:08 - 00:04:45:04 Speaker 3 Right. 00:04:45:06 - 00:04:53:03 Speaker 3 Right. Right. 00:05:00:07 - 00:05:27:06 Speaker 3 Esthetic. Yeah. Right. Hahaha. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in. 00:05:34:04 - 00:05:42:05 Speaker 3 Right. 00:05:42:07 - 00:05:47:20 Speaker 3 When. 00:05:53:08 - 00:06:06:07 Speaker 3 Right. 00:06:06:09 - 00:06:11:13 Speaker 3 Right. 00:06:17:19 - 00:06:23:04 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:06:23:06 - 00:06:24:05 Speaker 3 Right. 00:06:24:07 - 00:06:28:10 Mike Jones And that's. Is that the board you got from, from L.A.? 00:06:31:23 - 00:06:42:07 Mike Jones Western. Western recorders? Yeah. 00:06:42:09 - 00:07:01:13 Speaker 3 And. 00:07:01:15 - 00:07:02:14 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:07:20:03 - 00:07:23:19 Speaker 3 Okay. 00:07:34:03 - 00:07:39:19 Speaker 3 Right. 00:07:43:19 - 00:07:49:10 Speaker 3 Sure. 00:07:56:21 - 00:08:07:20 Speaker 3 Right. 00:08:07:22 - 00:08:11:22 Speaker 3 Right. 00:08:14:04 - 00:08:15:09 Speaker 3 They do a. 00:08:15:12 - 00:08:16:16 Mike Jones Oh no I was just going to say. 00:08:16:21 - 00:08:22:12 Tim Jenison You know everyone labels them warm. But that's not really the case. It's it's as. 00:08:22:12 - 00:08:24:04 Mike Jones You said it's a different 00:08:24:04 - 00:08:25:05 Tim Jenison There's like a more. 00:08:25:05 - 00:08:26:01 Mike Jones Body. 00:08:26:03 - 00:08:38:04 Tim Jenison To, to the lower mid range that I find the it's, you know, more fulfilling. Hey. 00:08:58:14 - 00:09:01:20 Speaker 3 I'm. 00:09:15:07 - 00:09:32:21 Speaker 3 I'm. 00:09:32:23 - 00:09:43:03 Speaker 3 I'm. 00:09:43:05 - 00:09:50:22 Speaker 3 I'm. 00:09:51:00 - 00:09:56:18 Speaker 3 Right. 00:10:29:11 - 00:10:40:00 Speaker 3 Wow. Gees. Well. 00:10:46:10 - 00:10:51:13 Speaker 3 Right. 00:10:51:15 - 00:10:57:15 Speaker 3 Right. 00:10:57:17 - 00:11:07:23 Speaker 3 And. 00:11:22:21 - 00:11:35:21 Speaker 3 Right. 00:11:38:16 - 00:11:43:19 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:11:43:21 - 00:11:52:07 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:12:00:04 - 00:12:08:19 Speaker 3 Right. Right. 00:12:14:15 - 00:12:27:14 Speaker 3 Right. Yep. Yep. 00:12:47:11 - 00:12:55:05 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:12:55:06 - 00:13:01:22 Speaker 3 Right. 00:13:01:23 - 00:13:12:20 Speaker 3 Right. 00:13:36:07 - 00:13:40:14 Speaker 3 Ha ha ha ha ha. Yeah. 00:13:40:16 - 00:13:42:16 Tim Jenison No, I mean, yeah, I, you know, I. 00:13:42:21 - 00:13:43:22 Mike Jones I started my. 00:13:43:22 - 00:13:51:08 Tim Jenison Quote unquote career, right as the right before digital came in. 00:13:51:10 - 00:13:54:04 Mike Jones So when I was first working at soundtrack. 00:13:54:06 - 00:13:57:01 Tim Jenison It was all, you know, editing with. 00:13:57:03 - 00:13:58:10 Mike Jones With a razor blade. 00:13:58:12 - 00:14:04:18 Tim Jenison And, and, if you've screwed up, you know. 00:14:04:20 - 00:14:06:15 Mike Jones Luckily, they had enough tracks. 00:14:06:17 - 00:14:12:14 Tim Jenison That you could try it again. But, when I did an I did an album in I. 00:14:12:14 - 00:14:16:07 Mike Jones Think it was maybe 1985. 00:14:16:08 - 00:14:18:19 Tim Jenison And we brought up a. 00:14:18:19 - 00:14:20:19 Mike Jones Mitsubishi. 00:14:20:21 - 00:14:21:09 Tim Jenison Digital. 00:14:21:09 - 00:14:35:06 Mike Jones Recorder that recorded on tape. I think it was like an 80 or something. I forget what it was called, and there was none in Boston. So we had to go down to New York and rent one and bring it up to the Boston studio. 00:14:35:08 - 00:14:37:22 Tim Jenison And, and then the. 00:14:37:22 - 00:14:41:03 Mike Jones Next thing I think was that's. 00:14:43:03 - 00:14:49:07 Speaker 3 Edit yeah, right. 00:14:49:09 - 00:14:51:09 Speaker 3 Right, right. 00:14:51:11 - 00:14:56:01 Tim Jenison And, but it happened. It happened quickly. I mean, you know. 00:14:56:02 - 00:14:58:06 Mike Jones By 1990. 00:14:58:08 - 00:14:59:19 Tim Jenison I think, you know. 00:14:59:21 - 00:15:06:18 Mike Jones You know, certainly the early 90s, it was weird for people to still record. 00:15:06:20 - 00:15:10:14 Tim Jenison Analog and, it was and. 00:15:10:14 - 00:15:14:07 Mike Jones I think part of it was money because. 00:15:14:09 - 00:15:16:00 Tim Jenison As you say, you know, wait a minute. 00:15:16:00 - 00:15:17:00 Mike Jones We got to wait for the tape to. 00:15:17:00 - 00:15:19:09 Tim Jenison Rewind when you've got a room. 00:15:19:09 - 00:15:21:09 Mike Jones When it's Steve Gadd. Eddie Gomez. 00:15:21:16 - 00:15:23:07 Tim Jenison George Young, you know, 00:15:23:13 - 00:15:25:00 Mike Jones All the hot session players in New. 00:15:25:00 - 00:15:26:01 Tim Jenison York that you're. 00:15:26:01 - 00:15:33:21 Mike Jones Paying triple scale to, to sit around and wait for you to rewind something every time they want to start a new. As soon as this technology. 00:15:33:21 - 00:15:37:03 Tim Jenison Came in, they jumped all over it, you know, and, 00:15:37:05 - 00:15:38:19 Mike Jones Whether or not it sounded is, is. 00:15:38:19 - 00:15:40:12 Tim Jenison Good. And I. 00:15:40:12 - 00:15:45:14 Mike Jones Think, you know, I mean, I've got sad CD's that I think sound tremendous. 00:15:45:17 - 00:15:55:09 Mike Jones And it's just as you said, it's just a different sound. It's not better or worse, but it also is the sound that we grew up with. 00:15:55:12 - 00:16:00:13 Tim Jenison I mean, you know, I. Well, I mean, you know. 00:16:00:13 - 00:16:02:02 Mike Jones He put on an old Riverside. 00:16:02:07 - 00:16:03:20 Tim Jenison LP, you know. 00:16:03:20 - 00:16:06:12 Mike Jones And it's just it just washes over you. 00:16:06:12 - 00:16:08:12 Tim Jenison In a way that, you know, 00:16:08:12 - 00:16:09:02 Tim Jenison many. 00:16:09:06 - 00:16:12:20 Mike Jones And again, there was, there was that weird there was that weird time 00:16:12:20 - 00:16:14:08 Mike Jones in the 80s and 90s. 00:16:14:08 - 00:16:14:18 Tim Jenison When even. 00:16:14:18 - 00:16:19:06 Mike Jones On jazz recordings, the drums were compressed down to this tiny. 00:16:19:06 - 00:16:21:05 Tim Jenison Little thing and and. 00:16:21:05 - 00:16:26:02 Mike Jones Everything was evened out. And it sounds god awful. There's no dynamics. There's no. 00:16:26:04 - 00:16:28:15 Tim Jenison You know, there's no finesse. And 00:16:28:15 - 00:16:28:23 Tim Jenison you know, it. 00:16:28:23 - 00:16:35:18 Mike Jones Became the standard sound and you can't even listen to a piano trio album in the same way from those years. 00:16:35:20 - 00:16:36:14 Tim Jenison You know, unless you're. 00:16:36:14 - 00:16:38:20 Mike Jones Listening to, like, somebody like Keith Jarrett. 00:16:39:01 - 00:16:44:17 Tim Jenison Who demanded it sound good, you know? But if you went to a major label and heard. 00:16:44:17 - 00:16:48:22 Mike Jones Like, a Ramsey Lewis record, it sounded like it was coming out of your car. Speaker. 00:16:49:00 - 00:16:54:06 Tim Jenison You know? But. 00:16:54:08 - 00:17:01:08 Tim Jenison Yeah. 00:17:02:16 - 00:17:08:12 Speaker 3 Right. 00:17:08:14 - 00:17:10:18 Tim Jenison Oh, it is. 00:17:10:20 - 00:17:20:00 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:17:20:02 - 00:17:33:04 Speaker 3 Oh yeah. Yeah. 00:17:33:06 - 00:17:43:14 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:17:43:15 - 00:17:48:08 Tim Jenison Right. Yeah. It is. And I don't know if I mean, I. 00:17:48:08 - 00:17:50:21 Mike Jones Believe the recording would have been iconic had it been recorded. 00:17:50:21 - 00:17:52:20 Tim Jenison Better as well. 00:17:52:20 - 00:17:54:00 Mike Jones For the musicality. 00:17:54:00 - 00:17:54:15 Tim Jenison You know what I mean? 00:17:54:19 - 00:17:58:04 Mike Jones But it's the same thing with, like, all those Oscar Peterson verbs. 00:17:58:06 - 00:17:58:20 Tim Jenison You know, they. 00:17:58:20 - 00:17:59:10 Mike Jones Never sounded. 00:17:59:10 - 00:18:01:08 Tim Jenison Good, you know, but you get. 00:18:01:08 - 00:18:09:12 Mike Jones To the end stuff, which is a totally different sound. And everyone raves about it. And it is it's a it's an amazing sound. 00:18:10:08 - 00:18:15:20 Mike Jones But it's it's somewhat artificial. You know, the piano sounds really stabby and. 00:18:15:21 - 00:18:19:04 Tim Jenison And, you know, bright, overly bright. 00:18:19:06 - 00:18:28:11 Speaker 3 But you could hear. Yeah. 00:18:28:13 - 00:18:33:21 Speaker 3 I haven't. 00:18:39:06 - 00:18:40:21 Speaker 3 Right. What what what. 00:18:40:21 - 00:18:46:06 Mike Jones Area is it like? 70s. 00:18:46:08 - 00:18:55:16 Speaker 3 Okay. Oh okay. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. 00:18:55:18 - 00:19:05:14 Speaker 3 Right. 00:19:05:16 - 00:19:09:12 Tim Jenison Right I know that I've seen them. 00:19:09:14 - 00:19:33:17 Speaker 3 Yeah yeah yeah. 00:19:33:19 - 00:19:38:23 Speaker 3 Hahahahahahaha! 00:19:39:01 - 00:19:53:03 Speaker 3 I'm sure. 00:20:27:19 - 00:20:40:08 Speaker 3 Right. Sure. 00:20:40:10 - 00:20:46:09 Speaker 3 Right. Right. 00:21:03:21 - 00:21:18:09 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:21:18:11 - 00:21:22:22 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:21:23:00 - 00:21:27:19 Speaker 3 Right. Right. 00:21:37:21 - 00:21:42:21 Speaker 3 Right. 00:21:42:23 - 00:21:48:12 Tim Jenison Or I had a job, I will tell you just in the, in the mid 80s I. 00:21:48:12 - 00:21:52:00 Mike Jones Had a job where they would pay me $50 to go to Boston Organ and. 00:21:52:00 - 00:21:53:01 Tim Jenison Piano and. 00:21:53:01 - 00:21:54:01 Mike Jones Play boys into our office. 00:21:54:01 - 00:22:00:17 Tim Jenison For people who bought them that didn't know how to play. They were exactly that. They would buy it as a piece of furniture and put it underneath. 00:22:00:23 - 00:22:05:10 Mike Jones The grand stairway in their house. And so I they would pay me 50. 00:22:05:10 - 00:22:06:06 Tim Jenison Bucks to go. 00:22:06:06 - 00:22:07:04 Mike Jones Out and play a few songs. 00:22:07:04 - 00:22:16:14 Tim Jenison For them. And it was great. Yeah, it was a good gig. Yeah, yeah, if you try. But, 00:22:16:16 - 00:22:25:14 Speaker 3 Go ahead. 00:22:25:16 - 00:22:54:05 Speaker 3 Right. 00:22:54:06 - 00:23:02:00 Tim Jenison Version two. Ever. Yeah. 00:23:02:02 - 00:23:40:03 Tim Jenison Very cheap. Yes. 00:23:40:05 - 00:23:56:11 Speaker 3 And. 00:24:15:17 - 00:24:25:09 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:24:25:11 - 00:24:46:13 Speaker 3 Sure. 00:25:02:14 - 00:25:13:06 Speaker 3 Wow. Hahahahahahaha! And and. All right. 00:25:13:07 - 00:25:17:09 Mike Jones Well, let me just interject. At this point we now know why you are a successful. 00:25:17:09 - 00:25:25:02 Tim Jenison Businessman in addition to being a computer guy. But go ahead. 00:25:25:04 - 00:25:31:14 Tim Jenison Sure. Well it's. Yeah, it's not like you had to have it. You can you can afford to be a little more, you know. 00:25:31:14 - 00:25:32:12 Mike Jones Reckless with your. 00:25:32:12 - 00:25:36:10 Tim Jenison Bid. 00:25:36:12 - 00:25:44:22 Speaker 3 Right. 00:26:09:21 - 00:26:22:12 Speaker 3 Joe. Austria. 00:26:22:14 - 00:26:29:09 Speaker 3 Right. I know that. 00:26:29:11 - 00:26:35:00 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah. 00:26:35:02 - 00:26:37:20 Speaker 3 Okay. 00:27:38:03 - 00:27:41:15 Speaker 3 Appropriately aimed. 00:27:45:09 - 00:27:49:04 Speaker 3 Right. 00:27:49:06 - 00:27:50:16 Tim Jenison So nice. Yeah. 00:27:50:16 - 00:27:57:15 Speaker 3 That's, That's appropriate. 00:27:57:16 - 00:28:01:19 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:28:01:21 - 00:28:06:05 Tim Jenison Man. Well I. 00:28:06:05 - 00:28:07:16 Tim Jenison Well 00:28:07:16 - 00:28:09:13 Mike Jones it's a real personal thing obviously. 00:28:09:13 - 00:28:10:07 Tim Jenison I 00:28:10:07 - 00:28:11:02 Tim Jenison played the. 00:28:11:02 - 00:28:13:21 Mike Jones First pointer version to do it for I played was Oscar. 00:28:13:21 - 00:28:16:06 Speaker 3 Peterson's 00:28:16:08 - 00:28:17:10 Tim Jenison And 00:28:17:10 - 00:28:21:08 Mike Jones he had had it instead of delivered to Mississauga, Ontario when he was. 00:28:21:08 - 00:28:22:13 Tim Jenison Getting it in 19. 00:28:22:13 - 00:28:29:02 Mike Jones 81. He had it shipped to Kleinhans Music Hall in Buffalo. And I happened to be at that rehearsal. And that's when I. 00:28:29:02 - 00:28:30:05 Tim Jenison Met him and. 00:28:30:05 - 00:28:31:05 Mike Jones Played for him, and. 00:28:31:05 - 00:28:31:15 Tim Jenison He. 00:28:31:17 - 00:28:34:14 Mike Jones And I said, I, he said, play something. 00:28:34:16 - 00:28:35:02 Tim Jenison And I. 00:28:35:02 - 00:28:39:09 Mike Jones Walked up to the piano on the stage at Kleinhans, which has unbelievable. 00:28:39:09 - 00:28:41:14 Tim Jenison Acoustics. And I hit a. 00:28:41:14 - 00:28:42:13 Mike Jones Middle C. 00:28:42:15 - 00:28:43:04 Tim Jenison And this. 00:28:43:08 - 00:28:49:06 Mike Jones Same thing happened to me. The entire sound just came from. 00:28:49:08 - 00:28:50:13 Tim Jenison You know, from my. 00:28:50:13 - 00:29:02:10 Mike Jones Knees up through my through my stomach, right up through my chest. And I'd said, this is unbelievable, you know. And of course, that piano was customized for Oscar. It had it had the key that he wanted. 00:29:02:10 - 00:29:03:16 Tim Jenison It had, you know, all. 00:29:03:16 - 00:29:04:14 Mike Jones That kind of stuff. 00:29:04:14 - 00:29:07:14 Tim Jenison And, and it just was I mean, it. 00:29:07:14 - 00:29:10:18 Mike Jones eye. And I said the same thing. Someday I want two boys and daughter. 00:29:10:23 - 00:29:11:17 Tim Jenison Well, you. 00:29:11:17 - 00:29:14:05 Mike Jones Know, I haven't had a chance yet, but someday I'll have. 00:29:14:05 - 00:29:15:09 Tim Jenison One. 00:29:15:11 - 00:29:20:02 Mike Jones But I had, speaking of Yamaha C-Series. 00:29:20:04 - 00:29:21:07 Tim Jenison Late 80s, 00:29:21:13 - 00:29:23:11 Mike Jones The first piano I bought as an adult. 00:29:23:11 - 00:29:25:02 Mike Jones Was a Yamaha C5. 00:29:25:02 - 00:29:29:01 Tim Jenison That, that I loved off of playing that piano. It had. 00:29:29:03 - 00:29:29:22 Mike Jones It sounded. 00:29:29:22 - 00:29:33:12 Tim Jenison Great. It was. It had a great feel. And 00:29:33:12 - 00:29:33:14 Tim Jenison then. 00:29:33:15 - 00:29:35:14 Mike Jones Wound up selling that when I moved. 00:29:36:13 - 00:29:43:18 Mike Jones When I started working mostly in New York, I sold it to Scholars Jazz Club in Boston, and it was there for years. The house piano. 00:29:44:14 - 00:29:48:01 Mike Jones But at soundtrack they had a C7. 00:29:48:03 - 00:29:50:17 Tim Jenison There was probably late 70s. 00:29:50:17 - 00:29:52:13 Mike Jones That's why I asked what vintage years. 00:29:52:13 - 00:29:54:03 Tim Jenison And that was a beautiful. 00:29:54:03 - 00:29:54:15 Mike Jones Beautiful. 00:29:54:15 - 00:29:55:18 Tim Jenison Piano. 00:29:55:18 - 00:29:57:05 Tim Jenison But. 00:29:59:06 - 00:30:04:09 Mike Jones They don't anymore. And I found out why. Well, there's I mean, I have theories. 00:30:04:09 - 00:30:04:19 Tim Jenison And. 00:30:04:23 - 00:30:09:12 Mike Jones This is all speculation, and I'm sure if Yamaha wants to contact me, they will. 00:30:10:09 - 00:30:19:19 Mike Jones But, supposedly there was some sort of work stoppage or strike or something, or layoffs or something at Yamaha 00:30:19:19 - 00:30:26:14 Mike Jones around 1990s that a lot of their best technicians went to work for quite. 00:30:26:14 - 00:30:27:08 Tim Jenison And 00:30:27:08 - 00:30:29:02 Tim Jenison my other theory. 00:30:29:04 - 00:30:34:08 Mike Jones Because I went when I came to Vegas. Now again, this is 99. So 25 years ago, 26 years. 00:30:34:08 - 00:30:36:17 Tim Jenison Ago, I went to the to the Vegas. 00:30:36:17 - 00:30:40:03 Mike Jones Store that sold Yamaha and Steinway, and 00:30:40:03 - 00:30:42:04 Mike Jones I sat down at a C7. 00:30:42:06 - 00:30:42:20 Tim Jenison And it. 00:30:42:23 - 00:30:44:06 Mike Jones Felt horrible to me. 00:30:44:08 - 00:30:45:03 Tim Jenison It felt as. 00:30:45:03 - 00:30:46:12 Mike Jones If the keys were made out of balsa. 00:30:46:12 - 00:30:48:05 Tim Jenison Wood. It had the. 00:30:48:05 - 00:30:50:00 Mike Jones The action was so light. 00:30:50:04 - 00:30:51:13 Tim Jenison then I found out. 00:30:51:15 - 00:30:57:01 Mike Jones I mean, this is my theory now, this is where we get into, you know, conspiracy theory shit. I think. 00:30:57:03 - 00:30:57:13 Tim Jenison That. 00:30:57:13 - 00:31:15:14 Mike Jones They have made a conscious effort to lighten the action on all their pianos, because kids do not learn to play on pianos anymore. They learn to play on keyboards. And and I don't think that they ever developed like the, the muscles like that are, you know, that are. 00:31:15:14 - 00:31:16:14 Tim Jenison Like in. 00:31:16:14 - 00:31:18:21 Mike Jones Here, you know, like this muscle. 00:31:18:23 - 00:31:20:16 Tim Jenison And you know, yeah. 00:31:20:16 - 00:31:22:07 Mike Jones They never get the chops. 00:31:22:09 - 00:31:23:11 Tim Jenison They, you know, and. 00:31:23:15 - 00:31:27:00 Mike Jones So, I mean, you know, my, my dream pianos are. 00:31:27:02 - 00:31:27:15 Tim Jenison A little. 00:31:27:15 - 00:31:33:00 Mike Jones Heavier, actually. You know, CB's Steinway keys. There's some beautiful ones. 00:31:33:00 - 00:31:33:05 Tim Jenison and, I. 00:31:33:05 - 00:31:37:18 Mike Jones Mean, and again, I, I went to the center for Anam. I went to their, 00:31:37:18 - 00:31:47:05 Mike Jones booth at Nam 3 or 4 years in a row and didn't find one. Was it was nice to play, you know, and they were all now they're, you know, they're $350,000. 00:31:47:07 - 00:31:58:22 Tim Jenison But but you know, I mean, one had a remote control lid that came up by itself and stuff, but, you know. Yeah, but it played horribly. And, 00:31:59:00 - 00:31:59:17 Mike Jones So I. 00:31:59:17 - 00:32:00:16 Tim Jenison You know, but it's. 00:32:00:16 - 00:32:08:05 Mike Jones Yeah, the old ones and I once I never I couldn't have afforded it at the time. But I remember again back early days in Vegas, 00:32:08:05 - 00:32:12:18 Mike Jones I think, I don't know, it wasn't Craigslist, it was something, but somebody was selling 00:32:12:18 - 00:32:14:16 Mike Jones Marvin Hamlisch shoes. 00:32:14:16 - 00:32:15:13 Mike Jones Bose Indoor for. 00:32:15:13 - 00:32:18:01 Mike Jones And they only wanted, like, 75 grand for. 00:32:18:01 - 00:32:19:13 Tim Jenison It, you know. And it was. 00:32:19:15 - 00:32:21:14 Mike Jones I think it was a couple years before he passed away. 00:32:21:14 - 00:32:24:14 Tim Jenison But, I think he is dead, but, 00:32:24:14 - 00:32:25:05 Mike Jones I have a, 00:32:25:05 - 00:32:26:20 Mike Jones I have a nine foot Kauai. 00:32:27:17 - 00:32:29:07 Tim Jenison it's, you know, and well. 00:32:29:07 - 00:32:31:03 Mike Jones You haven't played it since it got a lot. 00:32:31:03 - 00:32:32:07 Tim Jenison Better. 00:32:32:09 - 00:32:43:20 Mike Jones Yeah. During the pandemic, Don Menino, who was their chief worldwide chief technician, spent two days during the pandemic at my house redoing the whole piano. 00:32:43:22 - 00:32:50:08 Tim Jenison And it is unbelievable. It's it's really, really beautiful. And. 00:32:50:11 - 00:32:54:17 Mike Jones What I love about Kauai and, I mean, I'm not doing an ad for them, even though I'm a choir artist. 00:32:54:18 - 00:32:56:04 Tim Jenison You know, is. 00:32:56:06 - 00:33:01:19 Mike Jones The consistency. If you play a seven foot Kauai like I play at the show every night, 00:33:01:19 - 00:33:07:02 Mike Jones I go to the Green Mill in Chicago and I play that Kauai, and it feels exactly the same. 00:33:07:04 - 00:33:08:02 Tim Jenison You know, and. 00:33:08:02 - 00:33:12:14 Mike Jones That level when I tell this story and I probably even, even told it on this podcast. But 00:33:12:14 - 00:33:13:17 Mike Jones I played their dealer. 00:33:13:17 - 00:33:14:21 Tim Jenison Dinner at Nam 00:33:14:21 - 00:33:16:01 Tim Jenison one year. 00:33:16:03 - 00:33:23:05 Mike Jones And it was early on in my relationship with them, maybe the first or second year. And what blew me away was 00:33:23:05 - 00:33:30:02 Mike Jones everybody they got up to talk after, after I played. None of them mentioned sales. 00:33:30:02 - 00:33:33:12 Mike Jones Every one of them got up and talked about how they could make the piano better 00:33:33:12 - 00:33:34:13 Tim Jenison And I thought. 00:33:34:15 - 00:33:38:06 Mike Jones This is a company that's really serious about making good pianos. 00:33:38:08 - 00:33:39:03 Tim Jenison You know? 00:33:39:05 - 00:33:49:11 Mike Jones And, yeah. So I ate. So I'm, you know, I'm happy to play it and I love it. But, you know, I went I went to New York, I went down to the Steinway Hall, the new Steinway, all. 00:33:49:13 - 00:33:50:15 Tim Jenison And, 00:33:50:17 - 00:33:52:06 Mike Jones And played a B. 00:33:52:08 - 00:33:52:13 Tim Jenison And. 00:33:52:13 - 00:33:59:15 Mike Jones It was nothing special. And there they're 250,000 now, 220,000. 00:33:59:17 - 00:34:00:12 Tim Jenison You know. 00:34:00:14 - 00:34:04:10 Mike Jones I mean, yeah, it's just it's it's gone insane. 00:34:04:10 - 00:34:11:02 Tim Jenison It's become. 00:34:11:04 - 00:34:11:14 Tim Jenison Yeah. 00:34:11:14 - 00:34:15:06 Mike Jones I never I, you know, when my first album that I did where we brought that 00:34:15:06 - 00:34:19:11 Mike Jones recorder up from New York for we did on a Falcone. 00:34:19:11 - 00:34:26:05 Mike Jones And Falcone was this guy. They started a piano factory. He bought the old Mason and Hamlin piano factory. 00:34:26:07 - 00:34:27:06 Tim Jenison In. 00:34:27:08 - 00:34:29:01 Mike Jones Haverhill, Massachusetts. 00:34:29:01 - 00:34:31:07 Tim Jenison And he was using, 00:34:31:15 - 00:34:39:16 Mike Jones Some of their technology. But he made his own piano, the Falcone nine foot grand. And the sound was 00:34:39:16 - 00:34:44:05 Mike Jones amazing. And he was bragging about having his render action in it. 00:34:44:10 - 00:34:44:20 Tim Jenison And it was. 00:34:44:20 - 00:34:46:04 Mike Jones Awful. 00:34:46:06 - 00:34:47:15 Tim Jenison It was. I could never. 00:34:47:15 - 00:34:48:00 Mike Jones Warm up. 00:34:48:00 - 00:34:49:00 Tim Jenison To it. 00:34:49:02 - 00:34:52:13 Mike Jones The Steinway that I played at Radio City. 00:34:52:15 - 00:34:55:01 Tim Jenison I. Oh, that was that's another funny thing. 00:34:55:03 - 00:34:55:22 Mike Jones They had a seven. 00:34:55:22 - 00:34:58:03 Tim Jenison Foot and a nine foot and they said. 00:34:58:03 - 00:35:07:09 Mike Jones Which one do you want? And I said, the nine foot and is, are you sure you don't want the seven foot? I said, no, I like the D. Are you sure you don't want the B? No, I would like the D. Well, the D's in the basement. 00:35:07:09 - 00:35:10:14 Tim Jenison No one's used it for a while. We got to go out and. 00:35:10:16 - 00:35:11:22 Mike Jones Pull it up. 00:35:11:22 - 00:35:12:10 Tim Jenison and. 00:35:12:10 - 00:35:16:02 Mike Jones Have a tuner come in and retune it several times. I said, yeah, I want the. 00:35:16:02 - 00:35:16:14 Tim Jenison D 00:35:16:14 - 00:35:17:19 Tim Jenison and you know, 00:35:17:19 - 00:35:19:05 Tim Jenison and he did it. 00:35:19:05 - 00:35:20:01 Tim Jenison But 00:35:20:01 - 00:35:20:07 Tim Jenison I. 00:35:20:07 - 00:35:21:12 Mike Jones Think it's because 00:35:21:12 - 00:35:23:02 Mike Jones they listed it 00:35:23:02 - 00:35:25:10 Mike Jones on their equipment list or whatever the pre. 00:35:25:12 - 00:35:28:17 Tim Jenison Show work was done and I held them to it because 00:35:28:17 - 00:35:32:07 Tim Jenison No, no. Exactly. And 00:35:32:11 - 00:35:34:11 Mike Jones No but I wanted it I said for that size. 00:35:34:11 - 00:35:36:18 Tim Jenison Hall and. 00:35:36:20 - 00:35:38:23 Mike Jones I'm the only music in the show 00:35:38:23 - 00:35:41:18 Mike Jones I wanted to have a low end and I wanted to. 00:35:41:18 - 00:35:42:17 Tim Jenison You know, the b 00:35:42:17 - 00:35:49:02 Mike Jones I first was a little nervous because I thought, oh, it's the same thing you can't dig in. But after about a half an hour of playing. 00:35:49:02 - 00:35:49:07 Tim Jenison It. 00:35:49:11 - 00:35:51:23 Mike Jones I started I started it, you know, I started to loosen it. 00:35:51:23 - 00:35:52:22 Tim Jenison Up and and it. 00:35:52:22 - 00:35:57:05 Mike Jones Was, it was great. But but I, you know, with their Steinway are so. 00:35:57:05 - 00:36:00:07 Tim Jenison Wildly, varied, you know. 00:36:00:11 - 00:36:05:20 Mike Jones You can play the best piano you've ever played. And then the next one is a complete dog. 00:36:05:22 - 00:36:09:13 Tim Jenison And I don't know, I don't know why 00:36:09:13 - 00:36:11:17 Tim Jenison but anyhow, but, well. 00:36:11:17 - 00:36:16:04 Mike Jones Let's get on to something else because, you know, we could talk about this for 3 or 4 more episodes. 00:36:16:04 - 00:36:16:21 Mike Jones 00:36:16:21 - 00:36:20:20 Mike Jones But, but so talk to me about, 00:36:20:20 - 00:36:22:11 Mike Jones yourself as a player. 00:36:22:11 - 00:36:22:18 Tim Jenison And 00:36:22:18 - 00:36:22:23 Tim Jenison when. 00:36:22:23 - 00:36:24:16 Mike Jones Did you start playing. 00:36:24:18 - 00:36:25:12 Tim Jenison And playing. 00:36:25:12 - 00:36:27:15 Mike Jones In bands and in your child stuff? 00:36:28:10 - 00:36:29:09 Mike Jones Was that just 00:36:29:09 - 00:36:33:23 Mike Jones like everybody else or. 00:36:34:01 - 00:36:36:09 Speaker 3 I mean. 00:36:40:07 - 00:36:41:08 Speaker 3 And this was. 00:36:41:08 - 00:36:43:15 Tim Jenison Did you grow up into. 00:36:43:17 - 00:36:49:20 Speaker 3 Oh, okay. 00:37:10:20 - 00:37:15:02 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:37:15:04 - 00:37:22:20 Speaker 3 Right. 00:37:22:22 - 00:37:24:12 Speaker 3 No, no I. 00:37:24:13 - 00:37:26:23 Mike Jones It's exactly my story. 00:37:26:23 - 00:37:41:21 Mike Jones I was like three, three and a half and my older brother five years older than me was taking lessons and I guess I was crawling up and playing what he was playing after. And like I always say I guess my parents thought, well, there's money to be had in this. Let's get him to lessons. 00:37:41:23 - 00:37:45:07 Speaker 3 But yeah, so. 00:38:17:09 - 00:38:18:11 Speaker 3 Right. Sure. 00:38:18:13 - 00:38:24:02 Tim Jenison Totally different. 00:38:32:04 - 00:38:34:02 Speaker 3 Right. 00:38:40:23 - 00:38:42:03 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:39:18:01 - 00:39:24:08 Speaker 3 Wow. No kidding. 00:39:39:22 - 00:39:45:19 Speaker 3 Sure. Yep. Yep yep. Pete Wendling. Yep. 00:39:45:19 - 00:39:58:03 Speaker 3 Yep yep. Right there. 00:39:58:05 - 00:40:04:04 Speaker 3 Right. Yep. Right. 00:40:07:13 - 00:40:11:03 Tim Jenison Right. Yeah. Tense. Interesting. Yeah. Well, it. 00:40:11:06 - 00:40:12:20 Mike Jones Well, I was just going to say. 00:40:12:22 - 00:40:13:08 Tim Jenison It's. 00:40:13:10 - 00:40:16:10 Mike Jones Astonishing because you're describing. 00:40:16:10 - 00:40:20:09 Tim Jenison My my childhood. I mean. 00:40:20:11 - 00:40:24:03 Mike Jones We had two player pianos in my house. 00:40:24:05 - 00:40:24:16 Tim Jenison We had an. 00:40:24:16 - 00:40:34:21 Mike Jones Upright in the basement, a standard 88 note upright. And then when I was probably when I started, after I started taking lessons, probably when I was 6 or 7, my dad bought. 00:40:34:22 - 00:40:36:10 Tim Jenison A, eolian. 00:40:36:11 - 00:40:39:15 Mike Jones Weber do was reproducing. 00:40:39:15 - 00:40:44:23 Tim Jenison Grand. Yeah. And. Yeah, but we had. 00:40:44:23 - 00:40:48:13 Mike Jones About a thousand rolls. And I grew up listening to. 00:40:48:18 - 00:40:50:12 Tim Jenison You know, Pete Wendling and. 00:40:50:12 - 00:40:51:21 Mike Jones Max Cortland there in J. 00:40:51:21 - 00:40:58:17 Tim Jenison Lawrence cook and I wound up eventually not to brag, but I actually got to make many piano. 00:40:58:17 - 00:40:59:12 Mike Jones Rolls 00:40:59:12 - 00:41:00:16 Mike Jones across. 00:41:00:18 - 00:41:03:17 Tim Jenison In Boston, in Buffalo. And 00:41:03:17 - 00:41:05:00 Tim Jenison it was well. 00:41:05:00 - 00:41:06:04 Mike Jones it was not a. 00:41:06:06 - 00:41:06:16 Tim Jenison It was it. 00:41:06:16 - 00:41:07:05 Mike Jones Was great. 00:41:07:05 - 00:41:09:17 Tim Jenison But to sit at the piano. 00:41:09:17 - 00:41:11:12 Mike Jones shows marking piano, 00:41:11:12 - 00:41:13:18 Mike Jones which is now in the Smithsonian, if 00:41:13:21 - 00:41:14:07 Tim Jenison it had. 00:41:14:07 - 00:41:15:10 Mike Jones Ivory keys. 00:41:15:12 - 00:41:20:10 Tim Jenison And they were all, like, scalloped. They were all worn because it had. 00:41:20:10 - 00:41:27:22 Mike Jones Been played by so many thousands of musicians over the years. And so I'm like playing the same keyboard, the Duke. 00:41:28:00 - 00:41:28:15 Tim Jenison And and. 00:41:28:15 - 00:41:33:06 Mike Jones Fats Waller and all these guys played. But you have to play slowly. 00:41:33:08 - 00:41:34:22 Tim Jenison Because it's just putting ink. 00:41:35:02 - 00:41:38:08 Mike Jones On a roll that they hand cut out for the master roll. 00:41:38:10 - 00:41:38:23 Tim Jenison And. 00:41:41:18 - 00:41:43:07 Speaker 3 Yeah, 00:41:43:07 - 00:41:44:15 Speaker 3 well, it was 00:41:44:15 - 00:41:45:20 Speaker 3 well. 00:41:45:22 - 00:41:52:15 Mike Jones Bob Berkman, who ranks the last 40 years, 30 years, who was it became a dear, dear friend of mine who passed. 00:41:52:17 - 00:41:56:22 Tim Jenison Away, a couple of years ago. We we would joke he would take take me. 00:41:56:22 - 00:41:59:20 Mike Jones Through the thing. And there was a couple of old ladies there cutting. 00:41:59:20 - 00:42:01:17 Tim Jenison Out the rolls. 00:42:01:18 - 00:42:02:16 Mike Jones And he said, yeah, we 00:42:02:16 - 00:42:03:06 Tim Jenison pay him, 00:42:03:06 - 00:42:07:20 Tim Jenison parole. And he was joking, of course, but, but, 00:42:08:00 - 00:42:09:13 Mike Jones it was an amazing. But but 00:42:09:13 - 00:42:16:04 Mike Jones but what you're saying is, I mean, this is what I did with the, you know, it was a pump action in the basement, and it was, of course, electric. The do art was you. 00:42:16:06 - 00:42:17:08 Tim Jenison But but I. 00:42:17:08 - 00:42:25:09 Mike Jones Would sit down there for hours at 6 or 7 years old, just playing, you know, my kids do a 2 to 2 today. 00:42:25:11 - 00:42:25:21 Tim Jenison And. 00:42:26:01 - 00:42:32:09 Mike Jones Last night on the back porch and beat me, daddy, eight to the bar and, you know, and it was a huge revelation for me 00:42:32:09 - 00:42:33:02 Mike Jones when I found out. 00:42:33:02 - 00:42:33:12 Tim Jenison That. 00:42:33:14 - 00:42:39:22 Mike Jones They were, like, double tracking them because I couldn't understand how there were more than ten notes being played. 00:42:39:22 - 00:42:42:21 Tim Jenison At once. Yeah, 00:42:42:21 - 00:42:43:23 Tim Jenison but. 00:42:45:14 - 00:42:51:02 Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:42:53:16 - 00:42:57:20 Speaker 3 Really? 00:42:57:22 - 00:43:05:10 Speaker 3 I mean, I do. 00:43:05:12 - 00:43:10:03 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:43:10:05 - 00:43:16:13 Speaker 3 Yeah, right. 00:43:16:15 - 00:43:31:23 Speaker 3 Haha. Ha ha. Yeah, sure. Wow, wow. 00:43:32:01 - 00:43:38:09 Speaker 3 Many people. Yeah. 00:43:38:09 - 00:43:46:09 Speaker 3 I. 00:43:46:11 - 00:43:50:19 Speaker 3 Am. 00:43:50:21 - 00:43:54:11 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:44:10:06 - 00:44:12:12 Mike Jones Oh, yeah. The Norman Granz. 00:44:12:14 - 00:44:30:20 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:44:30:20 - 00:44:32:13 Speaker 3 I. 00:44:32:15 - 00:44:36:04 Tim Jenison I agree 100%. And I. 00:44:36:04 - 00:44:40:10 Mike Jones Think a lot of it has to do with at what point you hear. 00:44:40:10 - 00:44:42:09 Tim Jenison Him. Because 00:44:42:09 - 00:44:45:20 Tim Jenison I heard him early. 00:44:45:20 - 00:44:46:07 Tim Jenison You know. 00:44:46:07 - 00:44:48:14 Mike Jones I heard him at six and seven and eight years. 00:44:48:14 - 00:44:50:04 Tim Jenison Old and just. 00:44:50:04 - 00:44:56:12 Mike Jones Thought, well, that's something else. I can't deal with that right now. And I'll just keep going until maybe someday. 00:44:56:18 - 00:44:57:03 Tim Jenison I mean. 00:44:57:03 - 00:44:58:06 Mike Jones It's like, you. 00:44:58:06 - 00:44:58:17 Tim Jenison Know, when. 00:44:58:17 - 00:45:08:03 Mike Jones I got to Berklee, I thought, you know, I had already won awards in Buffalo for as the best piano player and the best keyboard player and all this shit. And I got to Berkeley and I heard, you know, a half a dozen guys. 00:45:08:03 - 00:45:10:07 Tim Jenison That blew me away. 00:45:10:09 - 00:45:11:16 Mike Jones And so I said. 00:45:11:16 - 00:45:12:18 Tim Jenison Well, okay, what. 00:45:12:18 - 00:45:13:17 Mike Jones Do I have to do. 00:45:13:21 - 00:45:15:18 Tim Jenison To get to that level to be. 00:45:15:18 - 00:45:20:08 Mike Jones Serious? You know? And so I just locked myself in a practice room six hours a day. 00:45:20:10 - 00:45:21:23 Tim Jenison Until I got, you know. 00:45:21:23 - 00:45:35:09 Mike Jones Till I got competent enough. But I took it as a challenge. But had I heard Art Tatum at when I was 12 and 13 and saw it, I was pretty good. I would say, well, this is stupid. You can't play this good. Nobody can. 00:45:35:15 - 00:45:38:00 Tim Jenison And I'd probably have quit. You know? 00:45:38:00 - 00:45:39:10 Tim Jenison But I mean, 00:45:39:10 - 00:45:41:16 Tim Jenison yeah, yeah. No. And I mean. 00:45:41:18 - 00:45:43:04 Mike Jones The stuff that he's doing. 00:45:43:07 - 00:45:44:05 Tim Jenison You know, I mean, it. 00:45:44:05 - 00:45:49:08 Mike Jones Took me to my mid 30s to really be able to pass a lot of it. 00:45:49:10 - 00:45:49:21 Tim Jenison You know. 00:45:50:01 - 00:45:53:02 Mike Jones So, you know, the key changes, the harmonic stuff. 00:45:53:04 - 00:45:55:18 Tim Jenison It just it's so fast. 00:45:55:18 - 00:46:05:19 Mike Jones And I mean, you know, Dave McKenna told me, you know, I love I love Nat Cole. I love you Oscar. He said, I listen to Art Tatum and after two songs, I just have to turn it off. It's too. It's overload. 00:46:05:19 - 00:46:07:22 Mike Jones It's a sensory overload. 00:46:08:06 - 00:46:11:23 Speaker 3 but. 00:46:12:22 - 00:46:13:16 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:46:13:18 - 00:46:15:08 Tim Jenison Well, yeah. And I mean. 00:46:19:00 - 00:46:19:22 Tim Jenison Right. 00:46:20:00 - 00:46:20:16 Speaker 3 Well. 00:46:20:18 - 00:46:20:22 Mike Jones There 00:46:20:22 - 00:46:22:01 Mike Jones there's an argument to be made. 00:46:22:01 - 00:46:22:06 Tim Jenison but. 00:46:22:06 - 00:46:23:08 Mike Jones But the fact is 00:46:23:08 - 00:46:25:10 Mike Jones what you're hearing is what he's hearing. 00:46:25:10 - 00:46:29:10 Mike Jones we're not up to the task of listening to what's in his head. 00:46:29:12 - 00:46:30:06 Tim Jenison You know what I mean? 00:46:30:14 - 00:46:47:00 Mike Jones I don't think it's right. Fair to criticize. I mean, it's the same thing people criticize. Oscar, you know, too much technique, too. He's thinking. He's hearing these, you know, these long lines over the bar line of 32nd notes that that's the way that's what he's hearing. It's it's Picasso's painting, the way he's seeing. 00:46:47:02 - 00:46:47:21 Tim Jenison You know what I mean? 00:46:48:05 - 00:46:50:20 Mike Jones know, you can't pull the too many notes. 00:46:50:22 - 00:46:55:05 Tim Jenison You know, Mozart criticism. You know what I mean? It's, 00:46:55:05 - 00:46:56:05 Tim Jenison but. 00:46:59:17 - 00:47:02:19 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah. 00:47:02:21 - 00:47:05:07 Tim Jenison Yes. And but, I mean, know. 00:47:05:08 - 00:47:06:19 Mike Jones It just seems like 00:47:06:19 - 00:47:10:20 Mike Jones you have to take it for what it is, but I have to take it in smaller doses than I. 00:47:10:20 - 00:47:16:02 Tim Jenison Do, you know, busy. But, 00:47:16:02 - 00:47:21:03 Mike Jones Well, when did you go to college for electrical engineering or. 00:47:21:05 - 00:47:22:07 Speaker 3 Oh. 00:47:26:21 - 00:47:27:16 Speaker 3 Well. 00:47:37:20 - 00:47:42:01 Speaker 3 Right. 00:47:42:03 - 00:47:52:19 Speaker 3 Sure. 00:48:14:23 - 00:48:17:05 Tim Jenison was it like on the road? 00:48:17:07 - 00:48:18:10 Mike Jones Originals or cover. 00:48:18:10 - 00:48:20:17 Speaker 3 And or what was it? 00:48:37:01 - 00:48:46:04 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:48:46:06 - 00:48:53:04 Speaker 3 Sure, sure. Yeah. Right. 00:49:19:21 - 00:49:26:16 Speaker 3 Right. 00:49:31:15 - 00:49:32:09 Speaker 3 Right, 00:49:32:09 - 00:49:33:10 Speaker 3 right. 00:50:00:06 - 00:50:00:20 Speaker 3 Oh. 00:50:04:16 - 00:50:13:15 Speaker 3 All right. 00:50:13:17 - 00:50:15:11 Speaker 3 Sure. Yes. 00:50:32:18 - 00:50:37:04 Speaker 3 Right. 00:50:37:11 - 00:50:42:16 Tim Jenison And that was like in like mid 80s. Right. 85. 00:50:42:16 - 00:50:46:04 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:50:46:04 - 00:50:46:19 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:50:46:21 - 00:50:48:14 Tim Jenison You know. 00:50:48:14 - 00:50:49:01 Tim Jenison Yeah 00:50:49:01 - 00:50:50:04 Tim Jenison I got to meet I got. 00:50:50:04 - 00:50:51:12 Mike Jones To meet Wendy Carlos 00:50:51:12 - 00:50:57:21 Mike Jones because she lives two floors above Hank O'Neil who only Canvas Girl records. 00:50:57:23 - 00:50:59:20 Tim Jenison At 838 Broadway. 00:50:59:20 - 00:51:01:22 Mike Jones Soundtracks 936 00:51:01:22 - 00:51:02:17 Tim Jenison But, 00:51:02:17 - 00:51:03:10 Tim Jenison yeah, yeah. 00:51:03:10 - 00:51:04:10 Mike Jones And it was, it was quite a. 00:51:04:10 - 00:51:05:12 Tim Jenison Thrill, you know, 00:51:05:12 - 00:51:07:01 Mike Jones Because that was everywhere. 00:51:07:15 - 00:51:10:05 Tim Jenison When I was growing up, I mean, I think it came out in, like. 00:51:10:05 - 00:51:11:12 Mike Jones The early 70s. 00:51:13:01 - 00:51:14:22 Mike Jones Oh, really? I thought 71, but 00:51:14:22 - 00:51:16:11 Mike Jones I. 00:51:17:00 - 00:51:22:14 Tim Jenison But, yeah, it really was. Yeah. 00:51:35:07 - 00:51:35:19 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:51:35:19 - 00:51:37:00 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:51:39:21 - 00:51:43:05 Mike Jones Yeah. He seemed to he seemed to know what he was doing. 00:51:43:11 - 00:51:44:01 Tim Jenison I don't. 00:51:52:06 - 00:51:55:06 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:52:07:19 - 00:52:22:07 Speaker 3 Okay. 00:52:32:00 - 00:52:35:23 Speaker 3 Right. Yeah. Harpsichords. Yeah. 00:52:58:08 - 00:53:01:23 Speaker 3 Right. 00:53:45:08 - 00:53:51:02 Speaker 3 Right. Yep. 00:53:51:04 - 00:53:54:18 Speaker 3 Yep. 00:54:27:23 - 00:54:28:09 Speaker 3 Right. 00:54:28:09 - 00:54:37:08 Speaker 3 Yes. Yes. 00:54:37:10 - 00:54:39:02 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah. 00:54:52:01 - 00:54:58:12 Speaker 3 I here it is. Yeah. Wow. He. 00:54:58:14 - 00:55:00:20 Tim Jenison Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 00:55:00:20 - 00:55:02:16 Mike Jones to flash forward. 00:55:02:21 - 00:55:04:00 Tim Jenison to more, 00:55:04:00 - 00:55:06:05 Mike Jones More recent things. 00:55:06:05 - 00:55:10:23 Tim Jenison I'm not even going to. I'm not even going to delve into the movie, 00:55:11:01 - 00:55:13:15 Mike Jones Because that's another whole episode. 00:55:13:20 - 00:55:14:21 Tim Jenison would love to have you back 00:55:14:21 - 00:55:15:23 Tim Jenison Have you talk about. 00:55:16:01 - 00:55:17:05 Mike Jones Tim's Vermeer and have you. 00:55:17:05 - 00:55:21:07 Tim Jenison Talk about, you know, the relationship between. 00:55:21:11 - 00:55:22:05 Mike Jones Music and. 00:55:22:05 - 00:55:25:06 Tim Jenison Art that you think about and all. 00:55:25:06 - 00:55:26:15 Mike Jones Those kind of heavy duty. 00:55:26:18 - 00:55:28:13 Tim Jenison Topics, but, 00:55:28:13 - 00:55:28:18 Tim Jenison we. 00:55:28:18 - 00:55:34:03 Mike Jones Really just scratched the surface, and. And I've kept you for an hour already. 00:55:34:05 - 00:55:35:19 Tim Jenison Yeah. Yeah. 00:55:35:22 - 00:55:36:20 Mike Jones But, 00:55:36:20 - 00:55:41:23 Mike Jones Besides, besides running an animal preserve now. 00:55:42:05 - 00:55:45:00 Mike Jones got, the studio is, is it almost complete or is it. 00:55:45:00 - 00:55:48:19 Tim Jenison Is. 00:55:48:19 - 00:55:51:00 Tim Jenison I mean, are you looking at. 00:55:51:00 - 00:55:53:10 Tim Jenison Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, well, the one. 00:55:53:10 - 00:55:55:18 Mike Jones Here in Vegas, I think they did about four years. 00:56:01:07 - 00:56:05:00 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:56:05:02 - 00:56:16:12 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:56:29:08 - 00:56:43:09 Speaker 3 And. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. 00:56:43:11 - 00:56:58:08 Speaker 3 Right. 00:56:58:10 - 00:57:02:21 Speaker 3 Right, right. 00:57:02:23 - 00:57:04:11 Speaker 3 Right. 00:57:13:05 - 00:57:17:14 Speaker 3 Right. 00:57:20:08 - 00:57:26:05 Speaker 3 Yeah. Right. Right. Sure. 00:57:26:07 - 00:57:38:12 Speaker 3 Right. 00:57:38:14 - 00:57:43:12 Tim Jenison Right. Yeah. Yeah. 00:57:43:14 - 00:57:45:14 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:58:20:21 - 00:58:27:08 Tim Jenison Oh my God! 00:58:29:10 - 00:58:35:02 Tim Jenison Right, right. You had told me at the party, it's like quarter of $1 million or something. 00:58:56:07 - 00:59:11:00 Speaker 3 Wow. 00:59:11:02 - 00:59:14:09 Speaker 3 Oh, great. 00:59:18:05 - 00:59:19:22 Mike Jones Wow. So that was my next question. 00:59:19:22 - 00:59:23:06 Tim Jenison Yeah. When? When do you think you'll start, like booking acts? 00:59:23:07 - 00:59:24:16 Speaker 3 Renting space. 00:59:24:16 - 00:59:26:01 Speaker 3 Oh, I. 00:59:36:00 - 00:59:41:12 Speaker 3 Yeah. 00:59:44:11 - 00:59:52:10 Tim Jenison Sure. 00:59:52:12 - 00:59:53:10 Tim Jenison No, 00:59:53:19 - 00:59:58:12 Mike Jones Agree, but but this is different enough. I think that it will offer. 00:59:58:12 - 00:59:59:12 Tim Jenison The people that. 00:59:59:14 - 01:00:01:03 Mike Jones Can afford it and would like. 01:00:01:03 - 01:00:03:23 Tim Jenison It that option. You know what I mean? 01:00:04:01 - 01:00:07:06 Speaker 3 It's. Yeah. I mean. 01:00:07:08 - 01:00:09:03 Mike Jones But also. 01:00:09:05 - 01:00:10:18 Tim Jenison Yeah. Yeah, I mean 01:00:10:18 - 01:00:11:15 Mike Jones It's a retirement. 01:00:11:15 - 01:00:14:06 Tim Jenison Hobby. But 01:00:14:06 - 01:00:17:14 Tim Jenison no, I mean, I, you know, and as you know, you know. 01:00:17:14 - 01:00:22:08 Mike Jones Being around recording studios for years, everyone has its own personality. 01:00:22:08 - 01:00:26:05 Tim Jenison And, you know, if you get I mean, the thing about Van. 01:00:26:05 - 01:00:29:18 Mike Jones Gelder Place is it's got a great feel to. 01:00:29:18 - 01:00:31:04 Tim Jenison It. And, you. 01:00:31:04 - 01:00:33:05 Mike Jones Know, some of it's brought by. 01:00:33:07 - 01:00:33:11 Tim Jenison The. 01:00:33:11 - 01:00:38:22 Mike Jones Reputation and everything. But it's the same thing. If you sit on stage at the Village Vanguard, you've you've got to. 01:00:38:22 - 01:00:43:14 Tim Jenison Feel that you don't get at the Holiday Inn, you know. 01:00:43:14 - 01:00:47:12 Mike Jones And so, you know, you create that kind of space that people want to be in. 01:00:47:14 - 01:00:49:08 Tim Jenison And, you know, I'm sure 01:00:49:08 - 01:00:51:07 Tim Jenison it'll be it'll be, a. 01:00:51:07 - 01:00:51:18 Mike Jones Place to. 01:00:51:18 - 01:00:53:20 Tim Jenison Go. 01:00:53:22 - 01:01:00:11 Speaker 3 But. 01:01:00:13 - 01:01:02:17 Speaker 3 Yeah. 01:01:02:19 - 01:01:09:04 Tim Jenison Yeah. Well that's great. Yeah, that's. Well, that's what the the kids call it a vibe. 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