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[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, welcome to another episode of Power At The Radio.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm John Walburn and I'm joined by my good friend, Mr.

Rush Sufiani.

[SPEAKER_03]: Perfectly done.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's taken me a long time.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a, it's a working progress.

[SPEAKER_01]: I've gone from a rush to a moosh.

[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, at the beginning, you just didn't know my name at all.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not great with names.

[SPEAKER_03]: It takes me a while.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's got to be the end of me a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as you called me Sioux Fanny, I was actually very happy.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a Sioux Fanny.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's weird one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Man, I feel like we got a little string of these going.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty excited.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got some questions to work through.

[SPEAKER_03]: But before we get into it, you had a big change of life.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Big deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: You took a trip and you got engaged.

[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations.

[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you [SPEAKER_01]: said yes, she let me cook for a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think I've shown you the video yet, but I get down on my knee and I propose to her.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she stares at the ring box for literally a minute and fifteen seconds.

[SPEAKER_01]: And she's just looking at the ring.

[SPEAKER_01]: Looks at me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Looks at the ring.

[SPEAKER_01]: Looks at me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's me cook there.

[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end, she says, are you sure?

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I literally, I was like, just, yeah, I'm just going to pack up and go home, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But when she finally said yes, I was like, yeah, I've literally been stewing on this for six months.

[SPEAKER_01]: So you are her planner.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you put it all in.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and you went all out.

[SPEAKER_03]: You guys went over to Stockholm, got to go visit Yucky.

[SPEAKER_03]: and some other boys and got to see the beauty that is one of my favorite cities in the world.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I definitely think that if you get a chance, you got to head over to Stockholm, that place is just an amazing [SPEAKER_01]: city.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's gorgeous.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's clean.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean for any English speaking foreign arts easy everybody speaks English there and speaks English well English well and can even catch a little bit like the American slang to they should be careful.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was all sick.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's I always feel that [SPEAKER_03]: It's a little insulting that in America.

[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know anything about anybody else's culture.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're so silent in so many ways.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you go to Stockholm and they're current on what's happening in America.

[SPEAKER_03]: They speak English.

[SPEAKER_03]: They're up on the fashion.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like we live in this little bubble microcosm and you go out in the world.

[SPEAKER_03]: You realize that [SPEAKER_03]: America influences a lot of the world and just the fact that you can go to Stockholm and everybody speaks English speaks English extremely well and I mean to the point where they can like joke and I mean it's not like I would just a working English.

[SPEAKER_03]: They all speak English very well.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's actually kind of embarrassing if you're Americany go over there like fuck it and learn about anybody else I've only got one language.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and I think I'm the coolest like [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure we're the number one exporter of cool, you know, for sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: But the same time, I think we got to step up our game and get out a little bit more or maybe interact more with our own communities and figure out where everybody's coming from because we are the melting pot.

[SPEAKER_01]: So we, I think we have a duty to spice up our lives a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Joe, so notice how tall everybody is.

[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a person I met that was under five, eight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like even the girls.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even the girls.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like the guys in the girls were all kind of similar.

[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody was dressing sloppy.

[SPEAKER_01]: There is no like pajamas and crocs in the streets.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody was wearing like the most casual thing you saw or jeans and hiking shoes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Even then everybody who's so well put together in the food is so good.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that you know right now we're doing this like a fitness challenge getting trying to see who can get the leanest John's got a little cross cross bicep vein going on he's gotten super lean so I was kind of worried going on this trip that I was like, oh man, I'm going to fall off a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: But no, the food's really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're walking all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you taking lime scooters and everything's pretty close by if you stay in Stockholm proper?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I had no problems just eating a bunch of shrimp and pickled herring.

[SPEAKER_01]: That is delicious.

[SPEAKER_03]: They did have some cool food and Swedish meatballs are not just something that the Swedish chef makes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember the first time I visited when I heard them speak Swedish, it sounded just like the Swedish chef to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I started laughing.

[SPEAKER_03]: You remember the Swedish chef from, it was Sesame Street.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Sesame Street, that's right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we went out and I remember the first night we were there.

[SPEAKER_03]: They took us out to this place.

[SPEAKER_03]: It said, uh, this, you know, amazing food.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I asked, you know, what should we have?

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like the Swedish meatballs.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, shut up.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I thought they were trolling me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, no, you have to have a Swedish meatballs.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like this is a big deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they brought them out.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was expecting these like monster.

[SPEAKER_03]: They were like these little tiny ones.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they were excellent.

[SPEAKER_03]: The food was excellent.

[SPEAKER_03]: I remember, um, [SPEAKER_03]: yaki and yohan took me to this like very traditional Swedish place that was all like fish and they brought out this like massive seafood tower and it was like pickle haring and like all of these traditional Swedish foods that like you might not ever find it a restaurant and definitely know American with every yeah and it was like these little crackers and putting it on they have like you know five different types of smoked salmon and different fish and it was [SPEAKER_03]: It pushed me outside my comfort zone.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just because we're not really exposed to a lot of that kind of like that pickled traditional stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it was a good experience and they had a lot of great white wine and I'm not necessarily white wine drinker, but they drank it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I had my favorite food happen to be scoggin.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they take the take a bunch of shrimp, like a little shrimp and they stack them on this like little piece of toast and they have kind of like [SPEAKER_01]: Not like a mayonnaise thing, but something of the consistency of potato salad on it with a bunch of dill on a piece of toast.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that was my favorite thing to eat.

[SPEAKER_01]: I ate that like every single day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like at least once a day I had this little scog and thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bunch of shrimp, so it's pretty low fat.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you get it without the potato salad thing, it's actually really good.

[SPEAKER_01]: Fits your macros, bro.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I got to hang out with Yoki who's like a power athlete, OG.

[SPEAKER_01]: And that guy's lived a life.

[SPEAKER_01]: He was talking.

[SPEAKER_01]: During one of our conversations over a little bit of Grapa, he took me to one of his favorite.

[SPEAKER_01]: Italian bars that has like like twenty different kinds of grappa.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he was talking about, yes, unfortunately.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, but I am responsible for bringing Crossfit to this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we did.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was the first one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the fighter academy.

[SPEAKER_03]: When you went there, you continued to train, obviously, to stay in shape for our challenge, but also to Gitu.

[SPEAKER_03]: How what was the feedback from the future significant other?

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you're training again, or you're not getting eaten off, was there any pushback on any of that?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think she knew that like I was going to do it regardless.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she's she's a writer die in that sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was surprised that as soon as we got off the plane, I dropped the bags off and I went straight to Yoke's gym next to Stockholm.

[SPEAKER_01]: I jumped right on the mats.

[SPEAKER_01]: She was really cool that even though it was like [SPEAKER_01]: There's pretty hot in that gym.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we just got on off the plane and she had to sit there while I trained ecological gingitsu.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they're big.

[SPEAKER_03]: You go, guys.

[SPEAKER_03]: She was on the mat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Only okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was on the mat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Super potty, but mode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a different thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's no real, where are the Brazilians at?

[SPEAKER_01]: The Brazilians aren't in Europe, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Not as big as maybe like the tropes that you see here and like the West and the East coast of like you got a bow, there's Helio Gracie everywhere, or at West tradition, West tradition, which is a good and bad, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody has a different way of doing things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like for instance, like Japanese baseball is very strict.

[SPEAKER_01]: And those guys go out for like runs in the morning where I was like, American baseball, they're just like, are you good enough or not?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like can you throw fastball or not?

[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't necessarily make those guys run in the rain.

[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody has a different way of doing things.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm cool with it.

[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the significant other thing that's, that's something I wanted to talk to you about because I feel like maybe it's not unique to me other people are struggling with that as well.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you get really serious about your fitness, [SPEAKER_01]: and it starts to run into a little bit of your family life, your married life, you could start to butt heads.

[SPEAKER_01]: I luckily Mercedes, my fiance, she's a pretty fit person and she's gone through waves of being super serious about nutrition, things like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: So she knows how to support me.

[SPEAKER_01]: But there are some days where it's like Saturday morning.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, all right, so you later babe, she's like, where are you going, open that?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, Matt's Saturdays.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I go.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of your deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of my deal.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm just, I'm eating chicken breasts and salads tonight.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's just what I'm doing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I wanted to get your feedback because I remember a post that you had made something like to the effect and it caused quite a little bit of iron from the online community, which was just like, hey, if your buddy invites you out to a bar, you don't have a beer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, it was, you know, if your friend invites you to, or if a friend offers you a beer and the reason you don't accept it is because of some weird diet restriction, like you probably need to rethink your life a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, all right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like how many times you get to share a beer with your friend?

[SPEAKER_03]: And it stemmed from we were at an event on the East Coast CrossFit event, you know, CrossFit football and our host brought us to this kind of big barbecue and all these people were on some weird paleo challenge, so they had a cake.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so the guy goes over and he gets a beer and we're having it in like nobody's drinking and like he hands me this beer and I'm like, why the fuck you have a keg?

[SPEAKER_03]: So we're sitting around with a keg and it's having a beer and like nobody's drinking and I'm like, what's up, you know, like I I'm less curious of why people are not drinking now than I was, you know, twenty years ago.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you weren't having a beer, I'd be like, oh, you're not having a beer, how come?

[SPEAKER_03]: I just curiosity.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, either it's usually I had too many beers, you know, a hundred, it's not enough in ones too many kind of a deal where I have a drink and problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or, you know, something else.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I just always would have to, I would want you to have a drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, hey, I'm not gonna have this drink because we're doing this paleo challenge and this is in paleo.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they like went into this like whole deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I went back and I wrote that blog post that if you're out of party in a friend offers you a beer and the reason you don't accept it is because of some weird diet challenge.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like fucking rethink your life.

[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of people jumped in on that comment and were like, you know, I have a problem without calling them.

[SPEAKER_03]: I do it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You've a problem without calling.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're a problem without calling.

[SPEAKER_03]: Don't drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want you to drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've been around people that have problems without calling that drink.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're complete assholes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I wish they wouldn't.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if the reason that I'm not having a beer with my friend pours it to me is because of some weird diet restriction.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, rethink your life.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I didn't say you should fucking kill yourself or do anything like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But just like rethink.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I had a situation.

[SPEAKER_03]: I took cash to go get shoes yesterday and Kate was like, hey, we're going to go to trivia night at this place called Hopson Time.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we go to this trivia night and which actually crushed it surprisingly.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the only thing that they have that's really decent there is a smash burger.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, I really don't want it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I ate too much pizza on Sunday to have a smash burger, but I ended up having a smash burger just because if I didn't, it would have caused a little bit of ruckus amongst everybody.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was almost tempted just to drop cash off and be like, all right, your mom's in there.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got to go home and cook because I needed to cook last night so I had to have food for today and I didn't get my cooking done.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, foodless, lunchless until I go home and make something.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think the saddest part about those [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you go to a bar like that that makes Smash burgers, they'll usually have like a grilled chicken breast option.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it almost always takes twenty minutes longer.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They only option they have is a deep fried, like barbecue or sort of like a deep fried chicken sandwich.

[SPEAKER_03]: So with cheese, it's like a buffalo chicken deep fried buffalo chicken breaded kind of cheese.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, there's nothing.

[SPEAKER_03]: They have like a BLT.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean like it like there's no easy way out of this place and so I'm like and then but they do have a gluten free bun.

[SPEAKER_03]: They did have sour crap.

[SPEAKER_03]: They did have pickles.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't get cheese.

[SPEAKER_03]: I asked them for no fries, but they still brought me a massive plate of fries, which is your eating the smash burger you're like.

[SPEAKER_03]: I fucking want to eat these fries.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I was up a little bit today, so I had to go fucking torture myself for about thirty-five minutes on the echo bike.

[SPEAKER_01]: What is it all for John?

[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you torture yourself?

[SPEAKER_03]: What happened?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'll just give you guys the reader's digest notes.

[SPEAKER_03]: One of our friends, Zach Evinish, has let himself go.

[SPEAKER_03]: And on our group text with him in wrestler Matt, wrestler Matt does nothing, but just shell him all day.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I love Matt, Zach, but there's definitely a feeling of iron sharpens iron as one man sharpens another power athlete invented that so that's lying, even though the Bible to the Bible.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the suggestion was made, hey, would you guys do some like fitness diet challenge thing for me?

[SPEAKER_03]: So I went back, put it together, gave it to a rush.

[SPEAKER_03]: I said, hey, rush, we're gonna do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: He said, a man, he sucked in Marty, sucked in John Walsh, and a few other people.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we got Scott Nick involved so that it's a wrestler mat.

[SPEAKER_03]: A wrestler mat actually hit all his weight.

[SPEAKER_03]: He actually hit his body weight, which I was pretty happy for about him.

[SPEAKER_03]: But then he sent me a picture of him like crushing like a dozen beers.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, how close are you to this?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like the fact that you can crush a dozen beers and you still made your way them super jealous.

[SPEAKER_03]: He actually met sent me a hilarious picture.

[SPEAKER_03]: He was in New York for work and they, you know, he does bond so they had to go out to a bunch of big dinners.

[SPEAKER_03]: and he's sitting at some, you know, New York state cows ordering.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the guy that sits next to him, like they're sitting at the next table, is some like, four hundred pound type of Taiwanese dude, who's just massive.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so the guy comes in and, you know, Matt's a holy shit, you know, like, Matt's a big dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he's, you know, see another four hundred pound guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Matt's like, two fifty, you know, slim down and starts getting into a conversation with the dude and just starts talking shit to him.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the guy's like, [SPEAKER_03]: I only eat out at like the best restaurants and I like the basically gave Matt.

[SPEAKER_03]: I get detailed tour of all of the steak houses.

[SPEAKER_03]: What's the best cut in this?

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just like every night, seven nights a week, this dude just goes out and slays the biggest steaks all over New York.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, at this place, you get this and this and this and this.

[SPEAKER_03]: He said the guy sat down and ate an entire seafood tower by himself and a forty ounce ribeye.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then two bottles of wine.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the dude was there solo, I guess.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think at least that's the impression I got.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then like he basically gave Matt a rundown of all these things, but Matt took a picture and sent it to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, look at this fucking dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: And really the guy's in a car shirt just like, huge Asian dude just sweating sweating and CIA degrees.

[SPEAKER_01]: And let's have Monty Python bit of that like really they really fat did go to the steak house and just eat himself until they explode.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the way this this thing started and the deal was obviously body composition, but we each had it come down in twenty pounds.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's been the interesting thing for me, especially.

[SPEAKER_03]: which I really am kind of surprised on.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think what we did is we flipped or at least for me, I flipped the switch too quickly.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think like we up the energy expenditure, we started working out, we started doing the aerobic work and we cut the calories too much.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that that was a little bit of a shock to the system because I lost weight and then I just stalled and then I had to go back and kind of like, you know, what I'm under eating, you know, not enough calories and so kind of ratcheted up, kind of played with it a little bit and then the weights are coming down.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think it goes to that idea that Ben was talking about on the podcast with you before, which was just because you're in a coloric deficit doesn't mean that necessarily that you have to hit lighter weights.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that mentally it can be kind of taxing in the first three weeks to do the same kind of output.

[SPEAKER_01]: uh, at least initially and then I think you got over the hump and then your output came back up.

[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're too much in the deficit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the uh, I think part of the problem too is we were doing a little bit of like carbs like like so it was like low and then we went into like kind of like low, low, low, high and I think with the high, uh, like it was, I think it was, it was stuck with my mind a little bit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, I definitely know how people can give themselves an eating disorder.

[SPEAKER_03]: When all of a sudden I'm like eight in the morning I'm planning out my meals and I'm super excited about what I'm going to have like eight o'clock at night.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like this is fucking creepy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I like I don't need to do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to just eat my bout like I need to figure out what my macros are.

[SPEAKER_03]: Figure out my total clerk load cut it all up and just eat intelligently.

[SPEAKER_03]: And not like start like looking at him like, oh, I get three and fifty grams of carbs tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have this in this in this and I think it just the the other one and I still haven't figured out exactly why this is the way that it is, but we ended up finishing the barrel sauna.

[SPEAKER_03]: So we started doing like barrels on every night and all of a sudden like I was like retaining water like I couldn't put on my wedding ring anymore My like or ring wouldn't fit my hands were super swollen and I was packing all this like fluid and I ended up talking to Parsley about it and he's like well, it is a formatic stretcher.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like how many like what are you been doing?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like what we've been doing every night.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like how long?

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like ah, one eighty five you know for you know probably twenty total minutes and he's like dude like too much [SPEAKER_03]: Like three days a week is plenty, so backing down that actually was very, very helpful, and also was just fucking with my sleep too bad, because we were doing it at night, and then I just wasn't getting any deep sleep, I think that was negatively affecting me too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's awesome that we have the I want to call it necessarily a luxury because it is kind of like we're adding a bunch of suffering tools, but at the same time we get to test all these things out and then I think at the end of the day what people need to know is that every aspect of, you know, your [SPEAKER_01]: goal-oriented training, whether it's like tweaking the nutrition, tweaking the training, tweaking the recovery tools, like all of those add additional stress.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a...

[SPEAKER_01]: Taylor's oldest training is that you got you got to mess with one.

[SPEAKER_01]: One factor at a time dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, we got to mess with the nutrition first.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then we can mess with the training.

[SPEAKER_01]: Then we can mess with the recovery tools and the sauna.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you do everything all at once, the body just does not respond.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, and that's what happened to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: We were like doing this and we just went like, all right, we're going to up the training.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're up the aerobic work.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think what it did is it just put me into a little bit of, like a little bit of flux.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And all of a sudden, like, like, I'm like eating a core restriction in my weight, like completely rebounded.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a weird feeling.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then you, then you got to take a look and you're like, all right, well, I'm going to stay the course, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I need to make some adjustments.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to be a little bit more intelligent.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to not be so extreme and everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then everything started kind of pairing in the right direction and moving.

[SPEAKER_03]: You just have to be consistent.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think what happens to a lot of people is they think, if I'm in clerk restriction and I'm burning more than I'm taking in, I'm going to have this positive thing I'm going to see it on the scale, and we've said that calories in calories out.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you eat and you work out and you step on the scale, it's on the deficit.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're really in a deficit.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very easy math equation, a lot thermodynamics.

[SPEAKER_03]: But sometimes it doesn't work like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes you step on and you're retaining some fluid.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what was happening to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just feeling it in my hands, like I just couldn't even get my rings off.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where I felt, and then all of a sudden, backing off the song a little bit, reducing a little bit of the intensity, especially on the zone two work.

[SPEAKER_03]: just because I follow that morpheus and for me it's anything under one forty nine is recovery.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm lined up riding between one forty and one forty nine pretty consistently.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I had to kind of back it down a little bit and just do it for a little bit more duration, you know, and that ends up being around four hundred fifty calories on the morpheus.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then you, you know, you're looking at a car out of a twenty five hundred calories in the two thousand.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like well with, you know, at least five hundred below my basal metabolic rate and you're adding lifting weights in.

[SPEAKER_01]: Monday, squat sessions and Texas heat.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then all of a sudden, you know, but and I hate to kind of break this on age.

[SPEAKER_03]: But when I was in my twenties and my thirties, these equations worked pretty well.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even in my forties, I did, and now in my fifties, I had to be a little more intelligent.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think, or not, I'm not in my fifties, but later fifties, just have to be a little bit more intelligent with how it goes.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And this brings me to my next question.

[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is going to stick [SPEAKER_01]: from like the lifestyle changes you made since the challenge started.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's going to stick?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it zone two?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the sauna work?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we're not going to be in color restriction forever.

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: So my biggest thing is I can't eat like an asshole and not that I have or eat like an asshole, but what I end up kind of doing is [SPEAKER_03]: And I make a massive mistake on this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of will like a holiday like a decent breakfast and then I kind of like pretty light through the day and then around six or seven, I'll eat the majority of my calories and I think the timing of that is not as good.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think if anything, I tend to do better when I eat the majority of my calories up front.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the age-old, like, eat like a king, eat like a peasant later in the day.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think there was a guy that had a kind of a diet recommendations on that way.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if I eat too many calories late at night, I think it affects with my sleep, which wasn't the case for a long long time.

[SPEAKER_03]: But because I started tracking my sleep and used the sleep at sleep, I can kind of gauge it a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I was giving an example, Caldeeds, [SPEAKER_03]: Set me up with this.

[SPEAKER_03]: This guy's product, hey, I want you to try this product.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a fermented apple cider vinegar from some orchard and like the Ukraine that's like organic and it has some like amazing healing properties and cows like this stuff's incredible for digestion.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's great as a topical, especially for injuries to remove swelling.

[SPEAKER_03]: So many, many years ago, when I was in college, we used to go see this kind of like hippy natural dude that kind of did a little bit of body work, but my knee was real swollen.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he took a wrap [SPEAKER_03]: soaked in apple cider vinegar, put sea salt on it, like packed it around my knee and wrapped it up and then like, you know, cellophane this thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, this is fucking bullshit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, about three hours later, he took it off and all the swans had money.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shit.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, well, and I kind of clicked that in the back of my mind that I didn't really think anything of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it calls like, hey, I want you to check out this company and once you check out these products.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he sent me a link, hooked me up with the guy, he sent me some stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it's this like super apple cider vinegar that's got some DME now.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'd have to look up all the particulars.

[SPEAKER_03]: I might have to do it on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, hey, I want you to do like thirty milliliters of this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, all of a sudden, you like, you know, take this stuff and it's pretty interesting, like, like adding these different things, but I mean, that thing completely messes with your digestion.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like there's always different things to try and different, you know, pieces for this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think as I've gotten into this, the one thing that's kind of the no-brainer for me is the zone to work, you know, and you've heard me say for years, you know, two things happen as we age.

[SPEAKER_03]: We lose mitochondrial density and we lose the ability to improve motor units.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the ability to improve motor units in terms of lifting heavy weights, not going away.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think the [SPEAKER_03]: interesting piece for me is you know on the Morpheus it's somewhere between it's like a hundred and sixty seven minutes a week of recovery work is how much the Morpheus recommends so for me it's about thirty five minutes five and six days a week I think is how it works and if that's what I got ahead on my time then I just got ahead it so I just pop up first thing in the morning usually like to sit down like drink some water have a little bit of like salt and creatine and I kind of chill out a little bit and [SPEAKER_03]: this morning I drank the coffee and I got a little bike and get my thirty five minutes shower and here we are for the podcast and then I try to train either.

[SPEAKER_03]: If I train in the mornings I'll do it later in the evening on the weekends what I'll do is I push it out and I'll do it later in the evening and then I'll get in the sauna right after I show it to ride for thirty minutes and get in the sauna.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's a pretty good one.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not going to change the sauna.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to change your aerobic work.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go back to eating.

[SPEAKER_03]: I won't be so clerk deficit, but I know I also probably should look at calories, maybe I'm like the course of like a week, which is how we do most things.

[SPEAKER_03]: Whereas, you know, hey, like here's like, you know, and I'll go get a BMR done and kind of figure out what my base of that upgrade is and kind of go backwards into it and say, all right, I'll eat this many calories and then I'll kind of do the math equation.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I would like to have at least one or two nights a week where I don't have to go to bed hungry.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a huge fan of being country all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: Me neither.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think going back on the carb cycling thing, it's really easy to carb cycle when the only stress you have is zone two and lifting.

[SPEAKER_01]: But then because my lifestyle has due to it, your lifestyle has due to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of like the unknown variable.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, could have a good round, could have good rounds that day, could have really shitty rounds that day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I got my due to two back to one day a week because, oh, you're a big Derek money bird guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: You think I'm going to get a black belt from Victor Hugo knowing that?

[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I've seen it just things up.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go back to three, four days a week.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's too much.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was, you know, when I was rolling like I went three times and I was so just I wasn't able to recover.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I needed to come home and like eat more.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it was a lot of work.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I have to figure out a more intelligent way.

[SPEAKER_03]: whether it's a less zone two or maybe that's a zone two work, maybe even do that and jump on the bike right after.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's gotta be a way, but I'd like to get back to Gona Jits three, four nights a week.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like one day of Jiu Jitsu is not nearly enough to keep things warm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yesterday I had a mother after of a Jiu Jitsu training session with all the boys and [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I needed an extra, I needed a cliffbar.

[SPEAKER_01]: I just, just needed a cliffbar like there's something that I just had way too much output and I started getting dizzy and I'm like dude, I still gotta teach kids today.

[SPEAKER_01]: Still gotta live weights with John Fleab.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are all these things that still need to get done.

[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think the averaging out the week is probably [SPEAKER_01]: better for this kind of lifestyle, whereas if you're only training, and you're able to control all the variables of the output, like just lifting weights, doing zone two work, I think carbs cycling could be very useful.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've been training somewhere between four and five, six days a week.

[SPEAKER_03]: I wrote an article for Sports Illustrator.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was a pretty convincing piece of research where they looked at people in chloric deficit that were dieting and they had them trained three, four, and then six days.

[SPEAKER_03]: the people that trained six days ended up losing no muscle.

[SPEAKER_03]: So there was this idea of like constantly stoking and so we've been kind of subscribing to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think when this thing ends, I like going back to like the three day a week full body and I could kind of like a little bit of like more like post activation potential and a little bit more jumps, a little bit more throws a little bit more athletic like less bodybuilding.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I like that three day a week which allows me to hit just three days a week and then I can get [SPEAKER_03]: Like I can get like my zone to work which would be pretty easy just to get up and you know five six days a week be able to get.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know that thirty minutes in and then be able to get the live three days and then kind of fit jits training weights six days at five six days a week has really just kind of scuttled a lot of the time I've had to get to jiu-jitsu.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we are constrictors.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I got a wife.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got three kids.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got this fucking property.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got this fucking podcast that has to be done.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, obviously the the SI stuff and then everything for power athlete.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, there's just a lot of work that needs to be done.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a shop with DJ.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a fucking million things to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we got all this rain.

[SPEAKER_03]: I still got to go out and grade the road here tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man.

[SPEAKER_03]: that water, it wasn't bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like when all the like the massive floods happen, we didn't take a really hit.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually the last Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: We got like six inches and where my neighbor's property is with the horses, they had a blowout.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like their properties little higher than us, I don't know if you saw, but the water came through blew out and just blew out or rode and I blew out everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I was kind of waiting for everything to kind of dry out because I got to go back and grade.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's just lifting that many days a week has cut into like my available time.

[SPEAKER_03]: But now that I just got an email now that six blades is going to be opening a BK location.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that means that I'm like eight minutes away from potentially being able to go to your district so I can do like I'll be there in ten minutes.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really excited about that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to be handed that or how [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll be involved there.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we move on to our guys out here from the West Coast Jason Hackett who's a stud and me and him pretty much going to.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just rolled with him for Philippe's, but Jason just came out and it was we rolled and then fleet proceeded to just fucking beat the shit out.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Jason's a stud though.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he won the Brasileros.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's impressive, dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I felt like Philippe knows that and was like, okay, here it comes.

[SPEAKER_01]: You'll be there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody in Brazil, but he got glory.

[SPEAKER_01]: I am another Brazilian.

[SPEAKER_01]: I can't let you have the win, Brazil.

[SPEAKER_01]: I will never let you have the...

No.

[SPEAKER_03]: He will never.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Justin, you think you're doing good.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get you softened up a little bit on me.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he loves me a little bit differently.

[SPEAKER_01]: But before it was very much like if I got one up on him, then he's got to get it's like the bra thing like my neighbor get the color TV, then he has to get the color TV.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh, no, it's the shanji.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, oh, he gave me a comora.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he gave him one hundred more.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But when he did the comora, I said, okay, so I did seventy supermores on him.

[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many people ask, what are one do I know my jiu-jitsu is good enough?

[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many alleys to this game.

[SPEAKER_01]: It could become a specialist or something like that, or you can challenge yourself in different ways.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's why it's...

I think the way the only way that you can grade jiu-jitsu is how well you roll against some sixteen year old Brazilians.

[SPEAKER_03]: So speaking from experience, so if you want to check under the hood on how good your jiu-jitsu is, is like a guy in his thirties or forties, like a hobbyist jiu-jitsu guy, maybe a dad with kids, or you know, I want to be good at jiu-jitsu.

[SPEAKER_03]: You need to roll with some sixteen-year-old kids who just show up from Brazil, from San Luis, and then check your jiu-jitsu against them.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if you can hang and not get absolutely decimated by some sixteen-year-olds, you know your jiu-jitsu is pretty tight.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he did, he told me like last week he got Leo Nelson and Luciano.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he came up under six blades for work.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, but Luciano is from San Luis.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, is he?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's from sleep so I'm town and ended up coming up in home schooling for the last year up in Fort Worth.

[SPEAKER_03]: And basically, sleep was training.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like seven times a day.

[SPEAKER_03]: So sleep's like, oh, she's like, you come.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I wrote with these kids.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they're pretty good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like the desire to not just try to like brutalize and just like physically assault them.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, these are kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_03]: super good jujitsu all of a sudden.

[SPEAKER_01]: Really real threat of submission.

[SPEAKER_01]: Very real threat.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had Moses in a good thing and all of a sudden he switched and tried to go deep half like his dad and all of a sudden he like I saw him going deep half and I tried to did the little lavado where he kind of like took and he got me split out pretty good.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I had to roll out of it and then the other kid super flexible and really just really good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so [SPEAKER_03]: My joke is for most people.

[SPEAKER_03]: You want to check under the hood for your jiu-jitsu?

[SPEAKER_03]: Go find some like six-year-old Brazilians to show up and just let them fucking decimate because they ran through the classes.

[SPEAKER_01]: What's not a good measure for your jiu-jitsu is inviting all the best guys to your little podcast studio and [SPEAKER_01]: and pay them a bunch of money so they can get a black belt in three years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, it's three and a half, but he trained three thousand hours.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's what he said, Derek Moneyberg.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the dead give away for me that it might be a little Tom Fullerry.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's the fact that he is wearing socks in every picture.

[SPEAKER_03]: Every picture, every video of him rolling anything, he's wearing socks.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's seen how a calist, shanji's feet are from just like pressure passing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's just part of the course.

[SPEAKER_01]: You got to be bare feet.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I like I've never seen anybody ever wear socks.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of I see that there's a new thing Santa bull makes like a matte sock kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like a yoga sock, which keeps your feet from getting that burn like on the top of them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I could see like some people just don't want that burn or just tape or just tape a feed or whatever, but at the same time like [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of like being a shubi on the beach.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, just don't wear shoes on the beach or you don't worry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Cut up Jean shorts.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, as a swim trunks on a river.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's like when when you see that, you know, like so when I I'd lived down a clear water beach and and Florida and Tampa.

[SPEAKER_03]: uh the first time I took my dog to the beach there were these dudes that were all like wearing like cut-off jeans shorts that were these fucking red necks with these crazy pit bulls yeah and I was like these dudes like driving their trucks in the water throwing beer cans of people and I was like yeah these dudes are gonna cost trouble sure enough they did and the cops showed up in fucking taste all these dudes yeah and I'm always like those guys should visit Stockholm yeah jean shorts uh but [SPEAKER_03]: The one interesting thing about jujitsu is it's not like let's give you an example.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I took Jamie to go see Dr.

Bueller recently and Dr.

Bueller's wife is a black belt and Taekwondo.

[SPEAKER_03]: So she's probably, she's got to be in her sixties.

[SPEAKER_03]: But started training like four or five years ago and has a black belt.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh, man, that's pretty wild.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, you got to black belt that quick.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I like, I don't know anything about the training of nursing a train.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like the level of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just know that like a black belt in jujitsu in like five or six years.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think Gordon got his black belt in like five years.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, BJ Penn was three or four.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's been a few outliers that have got it in a number of years.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, those guys have also [SPEAKER_03]: didn't just get a black belt.

[SPEAKER_03]: They got like the black belt on like the podium.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like they went to worlds.

[SPEAKER_03]: They went to the deepest waters.

[SPEAKER_03]: They swam with people.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they showed up.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, at one ADCC finals, I mean, nobody who's getting a black belt in like three, four, five years is doing it without winning some massive, fucking tournament.

[SPEAKER_01]: BJ Penn, I think if he's not the first, I think he's one of the first Gringo World Champions ahead of LeBatta.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm putting me on that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's the first first American to win the IBJJF World Championships.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, but he didn't win the whole grand slam with shout out to Levato.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, literally went out and he was like, that's what we're talking about.

[SPEAKER_01]: There's like many alleys to this thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like Levato is the first guy to win every single title that's on like every single grand slam title that's on offer.

[SPEAKER_03]: And not just like do it within a few years, but he did it over generations.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like it took him like, you know, I mean, he's what, like, forty two.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he wanted to first on what he was in his twenties.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, just think of like the longevity he's had.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's been like a black belt.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like he and Shinji have like so many stripes on their belts, but like that money bird guy, like that's an interesting piece.

[SPEAKER_03]: One, there's only a few people who have ever attained a black belt that quickly.

[SPEAKER_03]: And those people got their black belts tied on like the world stage.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like BJP goes up and they're like tie in the belt on round of like all after winning the World Championship.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like those guys and then he goes on and has, you know, pretty incredible, you know, UFC career.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, the guy's a legit dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: So to have a guy that's never competed.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then also to like take that picture, we're like all those dudes who stand in there and it's not clear who gave him the black belt.

[SPEAKER_03]: It just, it looks like Tom, it looks like Tom Fuller.

[SPEAKER_03]: It stinks a lot.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the one interesting thing about Brazilian Gigietsu, especially the community of Gigietsu, is there's a lot of pettingness.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, who is more petty than Gordon and Craig Jones?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard.

[SPEAKER_01]: Gigietsu is so difficult.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: So whenever somebody claims, [SPEAKER_01]: claim something in the institute it's like we all are in the same level of uh suffering right so like we all understand what it means to be stuck on bottom out so if somebody is able to attain something faster than you and they've never [SPEAKER_01]: You know, been mothers milked by a succine-year-old Brazilian.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we get really pissed off, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Because this is a pursuit that's like one of the last pure pursuits on this planet Earth, like even in fitness, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of people that shortcut fitness, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, you know, whether it's performance enhancing drugs like anabolic steroids or ozemptic, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, buddy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Even with those drugs, I don't know, I don't, you know, with the ozempic just because it's relatively new.

[SPEAKER_03]: But at the end of the day, even on drugs, you know, PDs, you still have to put the work in.

[SPEAKER_03]: True.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like the one interesting thing about muscle and being a good shape is there's really no way to buy it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now there's ways to like make it a little bit easier, a little bit easier shortcut, but you still have to go out and lift the weights.

[SPEAKER_03]: You still gotta do the work.

[SPEAKER_03]: You still gotta do everything.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like years ago, we had Jay Cutler on a podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: And we didn't get into the drug talk.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was right before he started his podcast and one of the first ones he's done, now he has cut their cast, I think.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he was a little apprehensive.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if you notice a lot of those old-time pro-body builders are very, very tight-lipped when they talk about the drugs.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I kind of wanted to know a little bit, but just kind of ask him, just because I've always curious, [SPEAKER_01]: I think that came from the insecurity of losing followers.

[SPEAKER_01]: No supplement sponsorship.

[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the big thing back in the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you couldn't really talk about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like my personal story is I drank a ton of cell tech and muscle tech because I thought I was going to turn it into Jay Cutler.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so yeah, there's a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: So when we had him on the podcast, his deal came down to it really came down to how much food I could consume.

[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Which is crazy to me.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, he was eating, I think like six meals of like chicken and rice.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like just like the amount of calories he was consuming, which I still have no concept.

[SPEAKER_03]: of how he was able to turn all of that into muscle.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, obviously, like the drugs, I mean, he trained his fucking ass off.

[SPEAKER_03]: But what's wild is that his training never changed.

[SPEAKER_03]: Four sets of ten.

[SPEAKER_03]: He just did four sets of ten.

[SPEAKER_03]: He did the same training program over and over again.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't the training.

[SPEAKER_03]: He said it wasn't the drugs.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was the food.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it really came down to if he could consume enough food.

[SPEAKER_03]: The aerobic work they did, Sarah Master.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he did, Sarah Master twice a day for forty five minutes.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that was like his secret and that's how we did it.

[SPEAKER_03]: You get up first thing in the morning, forty-five minutes on step mill and then at night forty-five minutes step mill and then if we consume like seven thousand calories.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's seem, and if you hear him now, he's like, yeah, like, I am so just gusted.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't blame him.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think where the, where people draw criticism from the world is when they jump on a soapbox, you know, and they take, and they take shortcuts.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the internet is really quick nowadays.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if you want to jump on a soapbox, you better come correct.

[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because we'll figure out a way to take you off of that box.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, with the money bird guy, the problem is he posted that pictograph or whatever that like informational with him with the black belt and his guys and he's got the socks on.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then he like posts like, you know, he's got the socks on.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Black belt in three and a half years, three thousand hours.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he was like trying to put the receipts in there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: The problem with you, Jitsu is there's only one receipt.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like you got to show up and actually like roll with some people and have like somebody who's [SPEAKER_01]: You have to go to class my friend.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got to have somebody show up like if all of a sudden he shows up at six plates and gets into a class and you know, Sean G's there and Sean G's like, Oh, we have a new black belt here.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Derek moneyburg.

[SPEAKER_03]: Let's see.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to put you in the gauntlet and then see how he fucking fairs is bring a random blue belt that knows nothing but crab walk smash.

[SPEAKER_03]: Or you bring in some kid from a mouse, you know, or like, you know, I mean, some of the guys or, you know, let's say you have got like Victor Hugo show up there.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And next thing you know, you have, you know, a six foot four, two hundred sixty five pound Brazilian who's got a really slick fucking dangerous type of jujitsu.

[SPEAKER_01]: And he's never even really using all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was watching the worst part is like, when he uses all of it, I think Steve Hardett mentioned it to us one day is like, dude, do you know that none of us would survive, Victor used all of his Jiu-Jitsu?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like we wouldn't survive a session.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like some days he just doesn't even need to use all of it.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that's a scary thought.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's a scary thought.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's a spot.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, fully too.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I do think the reason why Victor's such a good coach and it's a sign of somebody who's a good coach and any any disciplines that you have struggles early on.

[SPEAKER_01]: and then you're able to communicate and relate back to people who have similar struggles.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think that people that are in the worst coaches are the ones that have all the natural gifts.

[SPEAKER_01]: So they never had to work through the issues, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's why a lot of professional athletes are terrible coaches.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: I always go back to, I've told the store in the podcast, I'm sure, but the store of Ted Williams, you know, one of the greatest hitters in professional baseball.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ted Williams after he retired, they brought him in as a hitting coach.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the guys get up there and he's, uh, [SPEAKER_03]: you know the pitcher's throwing the ball and as the pitcher's throwing the ball he's calling the pitch and he's like curve for the minute it leaves his hand and these guys are like not doing it and he's like kind of gets pissed at him and he's like hey how come you can't see what the pitch is and the guys are like how are you calling these pitches he's like because I can see the rotation of the laces [SPEAKER_03]: And they like looked at him.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you guys can't see the rotation of the, like you can't see the laces, as soon as it leaves his hand at him, like, point two seconds or how or like now he could see the minute that the ball left the guy's hand.

[SPEAKER_03]: He could read the pitch based on the rotation of the laces.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he had, you know, got given ability to like slow whatever.

[SPEAKER_03]: And see that rotation and he could cut and that was how he hit it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so trying to teach somebody something that is so innate and so gifted.

[SPEAKER_03]: next to impossible so he wasn't a great hitting coach because he had a certain skill set that nobody else had I think in the jujitsu world very very true in the same way but I think for Victor which what I really love is Victor style jujitsu you know very [SPEAKER_03]: you know, solo and shanji and six blades, you know, a lot of guard retention and he's gotten very far, but since he's gone out and sort of trained with the beat team and, you know, Nikki Rod and these guys have learned a little bit of their style.

[SPEAKER_03]: Now I've seen him move more than I've ever seen.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'd like they posted that clip the other day of him at practice and like he was [SPEAKER_01]: like did not stop kept moving grab the guy here through I mean just incredible did they do round like I've gotten the chance Victor is brought me over as a make a wish kid you know to go train there too and I understand now why you have to move so much because the rounds are so long they're like ten fifty minute rounds and which is which mirrors the competitive demand or I like the matches are usually ten minutes long at minimum [SPEAKER_01]: And then some of them can go to fifteen minutes, right, with this new format of three, five minute rounds.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to, that CGI kind of pioneered.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if the round gets that long, then a lot of digits who gets kind of washed away because of sweat, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So you actually have to move otherwise you lose position, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Which is an interesting piece, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: That's another lane you can start going down in Gigiitsu where it's like, hey, things are moving much faster.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have to figure out a way if this doesn't work.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had my next path carved out.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, that's also no ghee in the ghee.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's much slower, just because you don't have that slickness and you have a lot of friction and like there's a lot of it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And grips.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I do know, I mean, there's this, you know, when we've done no ghee, especially when you get real sweaty, you can just kind of like you get stuck in a position, just a bunch of forward roll out of it, you slip out of the ass, and you just start kind of just keep moving.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it brings me back to the moneyberg thing, but also just sports in general or any kind of pursuit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you need to have a competition or a challenge to to be a reflection of the things that you do or, you know, can you come up with that on your own?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is there [SPEAKER_01]: is creating a challenge for yourself necessarily the most important thing, because I'm kind of struggling with this idea, because I teach kids, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like there is a competition culture in youth athletics, or it's like if they don't have something to, if they don't have a competition to, I guess, challenge themselves or rise to the occasion of them, it's hard for them to create a marker of their progress.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's a really great quote by Seneca that says, a gym cannot be polished without friction, not a man perfected without trials.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think if you're going to compete at something, or you're going to train for something that there needs to be some form of competition, some that sleep and I have gotten really deep at about talking about.

[SPEAKER_03]: is the difference between being good in the gym and being good in contest.

[SPEAKER_03]: So playing profile by playing with a lot of guys who were great in practice, but if you put on the game, you put them under the lights and all of a sudden like they didn't move.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they didn't move as they should.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's a certain speed that you have in practice.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when you go to the game on Sunday, there's like another gear, and it's pretty easy to see whether or not certain people have it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember seeing guys that were great in practice and everybody's like, man, this guy's great in training can be going to be good.

[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you got the first game and he can't get to that extra gear.

[SPEAKER_03]: He can't move at the speedy needs to.

[SPEAKER_03]: He can't do all the little things.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they were just gamers and they were guys that were good in practice.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I've talked to Philippe about this extensively.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, if your best roles are in practice, we have a problem.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he brought up, I forgot the guy's name, but I guess the guy's, you know, incredibly very successful in competition.

[SPEAKER_03]: And when he talked to one of the training partners, they're like, you get smashed in practice.

[SPEAKER_03]: The reason I think that happens, and I also told him is when we go, and I see this all the time I practice, Dawn was a class example of this.

[SPEAKER_03]: He had a few moves that he felt very comfortable with, and he did those moves, and he did them very well, and he would kind of get to a position in submission, and it felt very storybooked.

[SPEAKER_03]: like I knew that if I was on the on top or if I was on the bottom and he was on here he was going to do this and like it was almost like if this and that like I knew what was going to come and I knew what this couple moves were.

[SPEAKER_03]: So then you start kind of going against it.

[SPEAKER_03]: What I've tried to do is I and I do this even too when I roll like if I get to a submission and it's an easy submission.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to do that you know I mean I can just get somebody inside control and paper cutter them.

[SPEAKER_01]: Catching release kind of fish.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like I always want to try to get to like a different position.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to be in a different one.

[SPEAKER_03]: And even if all of a sudden like the guy can't like let's say I'm on top and I can't you know, the guy can't get me in a position.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just roll over and pull them on top and see if I can get back just because I feel like [SPEAKER_03]: if, and I've seen this a lot with guys, like guys have one move, you know, like John Walsh will get on the bottom, kind of play, have dark coyote, and then does that move over and over again, and it's his move to the point where we get into the position and I'm like, oh, here we go again.

[SPEAKER_03]: Where is, like, that's what his comfort zone is, but at the end of the day, if I know I have that, I don't need to keep proving it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I need to continue to push myself to do new things.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think [SPEAKER_01]: The reason I want to ask it is also for people in who have general fitness goals or body composition goals, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that they need a challenge or is it a need or is it much better to have like a is hammer ninety going to be kind of challenge?

[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what's up?

[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like a hammer ninety would spur a lot of people to rise to the occasion.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, it's something like camera ninety would be great.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just because then it's like, you know, three months on the sprint and there's there's a goal and it kind of similar to what we're doing.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you don't have a like an end date, but this is also, it comes back to another issue.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like obviously we're doing something like this and there's a kind of a start and a finish, but I think you have to have a plan for when it ends.

[SPEAKER_03]: So when we did twenty two jacks street, I ended up hitting that and winning and, you know, crushed the body comp and then we ended up leaving that next day and I took the kids to Hawaii and we went over there and like, [SPEAKER_03]: hang out on the beach when we drink some my ties when we went out we had like a lot of fun.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't necessarily have a plan in place for after twenty two jacksry and then just kind of slip back into it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think being able to kind of hit this be pretty happy with where where you kind of finish up and then realizing like all right.

[SPEAKER_03]: Am I going to try to keep this body weight am I going to try to do something like what does this look like.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to be I'm not [SPEAKER_03]: want to be ever be a slave to a scale.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I always kind of go based on how my clothes are fitting or how I feel physically.

[SPEAKER_03]: The one thing that's good and brought up is like it's pretty amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: You end up dumping ten, fifteen pounds of fat just the loss of systemic inflammation from just having an excess body fat like waking up in the morning.

[SPEAKER_03]: I feel so much better.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel better lighter.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's probably going to be like a little bit of maintenance and then I want to try to drop some more pounds.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, but the interesting one that's good, and I can wrap it a little bit about is, you realize to really drop some pounds, you're going to have to drop some fucking mass.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he's like, dude, it's really expensive.

[SPEAKER_03]: For you to be like a two-fifty, he's like, it's going to be really hard for you to be two hundred thirty, two hundred forty pounds of fucking muscle.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, so you're going to have to burn through it, or he's going to have to be happy to be two sixty-five, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, the rock he started out really heavy when he came out of WWE and then he started getting really shredding and lost a bunch of weight and people were like, why was he doing that?

[SPEAKER_01]: think somebody had commented I think it was like a Facebook comment they're like yeah well on screen being three hundred two hundred ninety pounds like really big doesn't look as good as being two hundred fifty pounds shredded right because you can't exactly see what you see he looks a ridiculous yeah I mean like I was watching that I think it was red or one of those movies that he was [SPEAKER_01]: It was a red one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And really great movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a rockbuster.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's what, like, two, seventy, two, eighty.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, what's his name?

[SPEAKER_03]: David Tista.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was listening to him.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he was probably around three hundred when he was in the WWE and now he's down to, like, two, fifty, two, forty, five.

[SPEAKER_03]: Trapsons, ears.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: He was fucking on Jack Street.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he was talking about what he's had to do to get down in that way.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm thinking it was like a vegan diet.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, there was no way for me to like eat a high protein, high steak, kind of carnivore, or, you know, just a higher deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, we had Sean Baker on the podcast.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, there's two things that I've always fascinated me.

[SPEAKER_03]: So years ago when I ended up getting diagnosed with brain damage on my left side after that amen study.

[SPEAKER_03]: And ended up, you know, getting clicked in with Matt Lawn that we did, you know, that year-long ketogenic diet.

[SPEAKER_03]: The way that I did keto is I'm rotated through different proteins.

[SPEAKER_03]: There was fish, there was chicken, there was turkey, and then even when I ate the leaner meats, like let's say like a turkey or a chicken, I supplement it with like [SPEAKER_03]: monounsaturated fats and basically ate no carbs for this year.

[SPEAKER_03]: After having Sean Baker on the podcast, I realized I was like, man, I wish I had just done a carnivore diet because I actually really enjoy eating meat and if I just get to eat steaks every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: This would have been a way way easier because trying to eat like chicken and turkey and then supplement with fat was just a fucking nightmare.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that's a pretty interesting one.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, just because I've never done a pure carnivore diet, even though during COVID, for like the first three weeks of lockdown, a ground beef and protein shakes.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I had.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had like two or three pounds of ground beef because we had a freezer full.

[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't know how long things were in last.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I had all these protein shakes.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it was like two pounds of ground beef and a protein shake and that's all eight for like three weeks.

[SPEAKER_03]: And did everybody else eat that in the house?

[SPEAKER_03]: No.

[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot what day they were eating but that's what I was eating.

[SPEAKER_03]: And because we had like, you know, a whole cow in the freezer and it's like, well, I'm just going to see how long I can go on protein shakes and ground beef.

[SPEAKER_03]: But the other one is fasting.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, all the research is pretty conclusive that there's no physiological difference between chloric restriction and fasting.

[SPEAKER_03]: I just thought fasting was a fun way to do chloric restriction, except when you start getting into like extended fasting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I know there's people that advocate like a seventy-two hour fast to do it every kind of so often.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's an interesting piece, especially if you, you know, want to pull that kind of diet lever if you're trying to like [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you're a big dude, like let's say like a Batista who was jacked at fucking two nineties trying to get down.

[SPEAKER_01]: You're kickstart something.

[SPEAKER_03]: You got almost starved yourself a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I'm not a fan of like, you know, supermodel diets where you're like starving yourself every day.

[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe just like, you know, not eating for three days might make some sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't tried a seventy two hour yet.

[SPEAKER_03]: I've done seventy two hours.

[SPEAKER_01]: How is that?

[SPEAKER_03]: I've only did it when I got sick though.

[SPEAKER_03]: I remember I was sick one time and I kind of just laid and I was like super laid up.

[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot what I got hit with and I need for like three days.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I got up and I actually felt pretty good and I was like, oh shit, I was super lean.

[SPEAKER_03]: I want to boss root in this birthday.

[SPEAKER_01]: The Monday party?

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Monday.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, on Monday.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Kevin James was there.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I got to meet Kevin James.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I love, I love Boss' role and his movie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Here comes the boom.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: He plays like that really weird European dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then they're watching his highlight, like, ooh, twisty.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's my favorite part.

[SPEAKER_03]: So Kevin James has told us a story about him fasting for forty days.

[SPEAKER_03]: What?

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so he did need, yeah, he fasted.

[SPEAKER_01]: He got really big.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's still big.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so like he was talking about like he didn't need, you know, I think it was like a, he's a Catholic.

[SPEAKER_03]: He was a religious thing, but he didn't eat for forty days.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then when he got done, he broke the fast and he started eating.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he, he didn't do it intelligently and ended up in the hospital because I guess he over a to got sick.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he's still a heavy dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, oh, I did this fasting for forty days.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, well, shit, like, did it, but didn't help.

[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't help.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you prove yourself you could do it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And not that I want to fast for forty days.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think, you know, periodically doing some fasting might make sense.

[SPEAKER_03]: I tend to not do well when I fast.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I know when we do our Sunday fast, I tend to like fucking overeat.

[SPEAKER_01]: And it was much easier to do the Sunday fast you gave me when I was single.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden you add somebody else into your life.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want anybody around me.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, well, you start getting really like, I, so this is another one is I listen to a bunch of these different kind of guys like on YouTube that were going into fasting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll go fast for like three or five days and they continue to do all their cardio.

[SPEAKER_03]: They tend to to lift and do all their work.

[SPEAKER_03]: Novato.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how they do it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I get up, I would do all my aerobic work, whatever, and I'd eat the night before, and like, twenty-four hours later, like, five or six, dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: I am absolutely, like, on a fucking hunting, everything.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, love out of just did a big long-fast, I saw.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And, like, we were talking about this a lot, which is, [SPEAKER_01]: you get into these periods of like heavy dieting or like focus training.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then all you want to think about is food.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's all you think about is food.

[SPEAKER_01]: And when you can get your next meal and like if somebody has it, you have a trip plan for the weekend, you're like, all right, where are we gonna?

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about the second thought I have.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to like, what's better?

[SPEAKER_01]: Just like live a balanced life where it's like, yeah, I just don't eat like a prick, you know?

[SPEAKER_01]: And I can kind of eyeball what I'm eating.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I get to look at the scale, maybe a once a week and see what's going on.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I just, I don't want to think about food all the time.

[SPEAKER_01]: I have other things that I have other fish to fry.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, that makes a case for the for the GLP ones.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: So one of the interesting pieces that I've heard over and over again is this idea of food noise.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm where you always have this idea of like food noise in the back of the head and Mike.

[SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, had mad Vincent on the podcast recently and that's something we talked about.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you know, because he was a massive dude and he's sensitive, like, trimmed down.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, fucking what an amazing transformation.

[SPEAKER_03]: But he was saying he's like, you know, I still have that food noise, my wife has it.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, I think about food constantly and she's like, I wish I could like unshackle myself from this.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't necessarily have food noise, but I definitely know all like the Sunday fast after I train.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like five o'clock, like I've already planned it in my head.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I like to some extent, I wish that we could unshackle that we're like, I didn't necessarily have to think about it or worry about it.

[SPEAKER_01]: John, on the drive over here, I was only already thinking about us getting in that sauna and like what we're going to eat.

[SPEAKER_01]: How am I going to get this sourdough pizza from Cedar Park all the way here?

[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's better if we just make a pecania.

[SPEAKER_01]: Also a great idea.

[SPEAKER_03]: Ben, I mean, if you think about from like a evolutionary standpoint, like the desire to feed yourself probably drove people to a lot of things that they probably normally wouldn't have done like the idea of hunger.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's such a powerful thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: But now we live in this world of abundance, which we probably have never really been in, except maybe for the last hundred years.

[SPEAKER_03]: Through the entirety of our evolution, there's been this focused idea of like, I need to get up, I need to kill something so I can eat, and then probably reproduce.

[SPEAKER_03]: And those two drives to reproduce in bank, and eat, are, have driven humanity for the last, you know, millions of years.

[SPEAKER_03]: But like, you know, we've never lived in this idea of abundance.

[SPEAKER_03]: And now we live in this world of abundance, and we're not wired for this.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think for people that live with that concept food noise, something like the GOP wants to make a lot of sense.

[SPEAKER_03]: I know those things take a lot of hate, but if they can remove that, I think that makes a lot of sense.

[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it more important to always be hungry so you have something to strive for?

[SPEAKER_03]: I think being hungry all the time makes you kind of a psycho.

[SPEAKER_03]: I really do laughing only because I agree yeah, like it it makes me like you know like I was listening to a guy [SPEAKER_03]: in the fasting deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of got stuck, you know, I went down the rabbit hole on all these YouTube with this fasting.

[SPEAKER_03]: But this guy's like, you know, every week I do a seventy-two hour fast.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, it's so amazing.

[SPEAKER_03]: It frees me of this stuff.

[SPEAKER_03]: I get so much worked on.

[SPEAKER_03]: And everything, I'd be like, I would be, I would be obsessively standing at the coffee machine.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I would be like, like, trying to like three days, like the fact that this guy could unshackle himself.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I'll tell you when, [SPEAKER_03]: the interesting thing and like I think about like protein in that carnivore, it's extremely satiated, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you were to sit down and eat like two rib eyes a day, like you're probably not hungry.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if I eat twelve ounces of chicken in nine ounces of white rice with a little bit of honey on top, I'm hungry, I'm literally finishing that.

[SPEAKER_03]: take a breath and I'm like, oh my god, I'm so much more hungry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like rice with a little bit of honey and chicken, like that meal.

[SPEAKER_03]: I could eat that meal every two hours, like Jake Calvary did.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like you sit down and you eat like two massive rib eyes, like you're probably not going to be hungry.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, definitely protein and fatty satiating.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like the one, you know, and obviously we've talked about this with the sugar diet, Mark Bell Sugar diet.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: The [SPEAKER_03]: constant, I'm hungry from eating that much sugar and no fat.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I would do well at all in that deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: Just to the fact that would make me like never feel full, I would never be saturated, I would never feel content, which makes me wonder if like, you know, there's some GLP ones in that whole thing because if you're eating bananas, sweet fruit, honey, and like all in like candy, [SPEAKER_03]: Like, in my mind, like, that's a bottomless pit.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I know when I did the Anabolic Day years ago with Maro.

[SPEAKER_03]: We would do, you know, obviously, it was a no carb, like, thirty grams of carbs during the week, which is basically just like whatever's in the vegetables.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then it was protein and fat.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then comes Saturday and Sunday.

[SPEAKER_03]: We would flip the script and it was like lean, lean protein, like chicken or fish, and then just nothing but carb.

[SPEAKER_03]: But the difference was it wasn't like fast carbs.

[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't sugar carbs.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, [SPEAKER_03]: Star Trek carbs.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was rice.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was pasta.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was pizza.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was any carbs that I wanted.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I've told the story.

[SPEAKER_03]: I remember the first carbony feed we did.

[SPEAKER_03]: I went to this Italian spot.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I must have eaten like three or four pounds of pasta.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I had a pizza, and I was sweating so bad that the guy thought I was going to have a heart attack.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like it was cold out, but I mean, I was literally drenched, but I like they brought this like massive thing, a pasta bowl and it's, and like I had three of them.

[SPEAKER_03]: It must have easily been three pounds of just pasta, a massive pizza for myself.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then I think I had some dessert, but like it was bottomless pet.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if you gave me and said, hey, you can eat as money bananas, as much sweet food as you want, as much honey and just all of these carbs.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't know if I would ever feel content and every hour, I would just be smashing this stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I tried the sugar diet for sixteen hours.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, how to go?

[SPEAKER_01]: Like you just said, I was sweating profusely.

[SPEAKER_03]: Do you feel like you leaned out or?

[SPEAKER_01]: No, I had that exact feel.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was wired.

[SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot of energy, but I needed to eat every two hours.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like I had, I started it off with like three bananas in the morning.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I did a pack of sour patch kids.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then I had some fruit juice before kids class.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then afterwards, I was like, after the kids class, I was so burnt out.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I need to eat some meat.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, right, I was like, then I ate some meat at the end of the day.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt just fine.

[SPEAKER_01]: But that first, sixteen hours was like frantic, sweating.

[SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't wait for my next meal.

[SPEAKER_01]: Did not respond well to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: What, um, how's Marty done?

[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't talked to him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he's uh, I haven't really talked to him in a while either.

[SPEAKER_01]: I was like gone for the trip and then we didn't get to train together.

[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get to connect.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then now he's, he's doing his Mount Everest.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know the specifics of that, but he's I know he was he was doing sugar that he's kind of [SPEAKER_01]: What is it?

[SPEAKER_01]: He's approached it as like a weekend thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of eats regular throughout the week or he just meal preps his food and then his go to like chicken thighs, rice, lean ground beef.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the weekend, he'll do like this sugar fast thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you know, I haven't really checked in, so I can't really respond to that.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I don't marks going on a hole in on this.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's doing great.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, he was also leaned before.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: We did an article right up on the on the mechanism for that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty interested to see how that goes.

[SPEAKER_03]: But I think all this goes back to [SPEAKER_03]: is what works for you as an individual.

[SPEAKER_03]: This works for Mark, then it works for him.

[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what the long term diet implications are.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but also, I remember when Sean Baker first went on Joe Rogan and was talking about anything with me, you know, Rogan's a heavy guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Your blood worked on what he launched her in implications.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like there's these ideas that somehow because these guys push out like, is it all me or is it all sugar?

[SPEAKER_03]: And the thing I go back to and probably because I have a son who's type one diabetic, [SPEAKER_03]: There's no outcome in my house that looks like a high sugar environment.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like we do a little bit of car.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I do like Kate Kate and I are pretty low car because of cash.

[SPEAKER_03]: The girls are a little bit more carby, but for the most part like [SPEAKER_03]: It's not as if we're in there like you know like we do have some chips and a few little things but like I don't really eat those and like if I you know like I've been right so like I cook my rice I put it in I portioned out I put it in the refrigerator, but it's not like we cereal or we're going through and crushing all these different carbs, but for the most part I feel that a balanced diet is probably the best way approach.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'll even go further to say that it's probably community driven is going to be the way that you stay on a diet or you adhere to a diet, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: If everybody around you is eating like crap, [SPEAKER_01]: you're most likely gonna eat like crap.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you have, you can smash burgers last night.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But also, if you come from a cold, easy now.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it was like, I was like, man, I could feel it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I was going to get a funniest day.

[SPEAKER_01]: I came in and we're going to go do a good deal of live.

[SPEAKER_01]: And so hey Johnny looking really lean and I did a little water.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you did a little water you flash your yeah, you're shirtless a little bit and then Kate comes over and she's like yeah, but for some reason he can't lose this and then she grabs a handful of your back and I'm like Jesus Christ.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's come down significantly.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah [SPEAKER_03]: Don't worry.

[SPEAKER_03]: I grabbed her on her class.

[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: We got her back.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I think ultimately it's going to come down to culture and community.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you if you surround yourself with the culture of people that are eating a diet that's that's nutrient dense and [SPEAKER_01]: and satiating and gets you to your goals.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be ultimately the thing that keeps you on the path to wherever you want to get to.

[SPEAKER_01]: But if you surround yourself with the culture of people or, you know, it's a little bit harder, but a family of people that eats a certain way, then it's going to be really difficult to adhere to it.

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here in Texas, I think they're prevailing food culture is probably like barbecue and breakfast tacos and like [SPEAKER_01]: You know, uh, luckily, like there are a lot of barbecue options that are leaner, like you could, you could go get a smoke turkey or something like that.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: And you can be really active here in Austin, but if you're from an environment that, uh, you know, the, I'm trying to think of what's the sloppiest city in America.

[SPEAKER_01]: New Orleans?

[SPEAKER_03]: New Orleans?

[SPEAKER_03]: New Orleans was both, I think, the Fatta City in America.

[SPEAKER_03]: And if anybody's ever been to New Orleans, the food is fucking incredible.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you get out on the, you know, they're like the French Quarter.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you're talking to like, pull boys and all of these, like, amazing food to New Orleans.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, uh, they also have drive through DAC restants.

[SPEAKER_03]: They've got been Yays.

[SPEAKER_03]: They've got all of the good stuff.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's all the good stuff, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: But we're also not doing all the good work anymore.

[SPEAKER_01]: So, you kind of need to shift ourselves a little bit, be a little bit Swedish, be a little bit more Italian.

[SPEAKER_01]: I love the Italians because like, they'll just straight up look at you and be like, Maba, why do you eat like this?

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, you go back for seconds.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're so hungry.

[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to eat lunch.

[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to eat dinner.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, like, they will just be like, why are you drinking cup of Chino?

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's a tool clock in the afternoon.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: It isn't cup of Chino a morning thing.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's a morning thing, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you don't get it in that, right?

[SPEAKER_01]: And the culture is very strict.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think a little bit of [SPEAKER_01]: You gotta do a little bit of a culture crafting in your own life to find the people that'll allow you to adhere to a diet that's actually good for you.

[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's the hardest piece because it all comes down to people.

[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, sorry, you gotta surround yourself with the right people.

[SPEAKER_03]: They kind of like Derek Moneyberg.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, surround yourself with champions.

[SPEAKER_03]: Did for somebody who's got a brown belt who's striving for a black belt.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been acting like it, wrestler Matt.

[SPEAKER_03]: as is it hard for you to see somebody who got a black bone three and a half years?

[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, specifically Derek Maniburg, yes, because like...

[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know his grappling experience before that, if he was a wrestler or not.

[SPEAKER_01]: But I've also been around people who, you know, I've been objectively better at edge of Jitsu that have gotten black belts, but at the same time, I understand the merits of what a black belt is.

[SPEAKER_01]: It's much more than just technical proficiency.

[SPEAKER_01]: It also comes down to consistency and the way you care yourself as a person, which is kind of the intangibles [SPEAKER_01]: uh...

the intangible part of jiu-jitsu it's not necessarily about uh...

hey are you a world champion but also are you a champion to the people around you uh...

are you a champion to everybody in the academy and outside are you a liability to your own people like uh...

you don't want to give a black belt to somebody that just smashes everybody in the gym that doesn't that's not indicative of somebody who uh...

deserves a black belt i mean [SPEAKER_01]: I would say like it's more important to who you are as a person to be a black belt as well as like some technical proficiency, but I don't think you don't need to be a world champion to be a black belt.

[SPEAKER_01]: You just you got to be kind of a black belt in real life, which is up to the professor to kind of, you know, culture crafts and see what it what it really means to be somebody who's deserving of the rank.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of attitude lately for people that are like, oh, you know, why are they giving black belts to these guys in their fifties and sixties?

[SPEAKER_03]: Who give?

[SPEAKER_03]: Who give?

[SPEAKER_03]: Who give?

[SPEAKER_03]: But like if you think about like your ability to be able to teach like I am.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's two types of perception.

[SPEAKER_03]: There's an idea that like a black belt like means something and like when I think of the black belt I think of more of like somebody who instructs and teaches like I can't imagine getting a black belt and not being an instructor teaching in some capacity.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So that's kind of like the way I view it is like you know like for you guys who are [SPEAKER_03]: you know, training to open your gyms and you guys are actively teaching and like, you know, educating people in the art form of jujitsu, like those people are in black belts.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I can't imagine being like just a hobbyist who those are just jujitsu and gets to a point where you get a black belt and not actually teaching it.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of a [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was John Danaher, was on Lex Friedman.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he asked him, he's like, what do you think of a black belt?

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, you know, don't hold yourself that short.

[SPEAKER_03]: If like your only idea is to get a black belt because you feel that some imaginary marker, like he's like, I know plenty of shitty black belts.

[SPEAKER_03]: I also know some amazing, you know, blue belts and purple belts and brown belts who are not black belts, but we'll destroy those guys.

[SPEAKER_03]: So like, don't limit yourself in that way.

[SPEAKER_03]: I view it as people who are actively teaching.

[SPEAKER_03]: and like these are the instructors and they should hold themselves to a higher standard.

[SPEAKER_01]: So it is, it is the fundamental idea of Jita Kyohei, which is, comes from Jigurokano's founding of Judo, which is, there's mutual welfare and benefit.

[SPEAKER_01]: So as somebody who's a member of Judo or somebody a member of society, you should always be striving to share what the knowledge that you have.

[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're fundamentally unable to share the knowledge that you have, [SPEAKER_01]: and be a positive force in your community, then you're undeserving.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what it comes down to.

[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody who's selfish and can't contribute back to it, then you don't, you don't deserve a black belt, I don't say.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, if Moneyberg opens his own gym, are you gonna go there and roll?

[SPEAKER_01]: He might be the only modern day dojo storm that happens if he does.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're going to be so many people signing up for a trial class.

[SPEAKER_01]: They're just going to go there and wreck his shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like he'll have to hide.

[SPEAKER_01]: He won't be able to teach a class.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, hey, I like to do a trial.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like I love those videos of like first day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first day for the first day.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, how that poor guy.

[SPEAKER_03]: He brought it on himself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: If he had just quietly got a black belt and started wearing it and doing what every did nobody would've noticed.

[SPEAKER_03]: but because he made it so, and those guys all reminded me of girls on boats.

[SPEAKER_03]: You never see these girls on these bitch and like cigarette boats.

[SPEAKER_03]: You always want to know who's on the other side of the camera.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a bunch of like fat, old dudes and girls.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I felt like those guys are up there and they're like, oh my god, I needed this money so bad.

[SPEAKER_03]: This check is gonna cash.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and Frank Mears, a fucking bad dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: He used to work the door at in Vegas at a strip club.

[SPEAKER_03]: And like, like while he was competing, he's fucking bad dude.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm kind of surprised a little bit.

[SPEAKER_03]: But who knows, man, I mean, I've never seen the guy with, you know, Victor sent us some videos.

[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't look real agile.

[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't look like what I would expect somebody who was training to that level.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you're training every single day for three hours to the world's best people, nonstop for three and a half hours, or sorry for three, it was what three years, three hours a day without three and a half years, three hours a day without missing a single day is what they worked out to be.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you're training that level, you're really fucking slick.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I would, you know, I give them the benefit of the doubt and say that, all right, now your responsibility is to give back some wife.

[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see how much you give back once you get your black belt because in reality, if you obtain any level of mastery and whatever you do, you're only going to be as good as whoever you produce after you.

[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like the idea of creating shade for our planting a tree to shade, you will never, you know, a society's great when old man plant trees and shade will never set up.

[SPEAKER_03]: He actually trained with Gordon Wright.

[SPEAKER_03]: So there were some videos of him and Gordon oddly enough Gordon did not step up and say, hey, no, this guy's legit.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he didn't really have anybody like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I think what he needs to do is reach out to Craig Jones and bring in Craig and basically just be like, all right, we're going to set up a little kumate.

[SPEAKER_03]: with me and Greg Jones.

[SPEAKER_01]: So Craig did post something.

[SPEAKER_01]: He posted like a very cryptic thing on his Instagram of like, hey, it was like sometime in April.

[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, are you going to be an awesome April, eighteenth buddy of mine would like to pay for your time to come out and like he posted that on his Instagram.

[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he didn't specifically mention this guy.

[SPEAKER_01]: But it seemed very, he's like, yeah, he's willing to pay like, twenty five hundred bucks for you to come out.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it was directed at Bonnie Berg, but like, well, I feel like Craig is the type of guy to basically go in and and give you the receipts.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if Craig Jones goes in there because, uh, [SPEAKER_03]: The fact that he did all of those seminars and then at the end let people live roll with him and he's like, hey, if you fucking fuck with me, I'm a break your fucking arm.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he fucking snap dude's arms.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was some savage shit.

[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's just a rational dude.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's just like, hey, man, like, I don't have time for this bullshit.

[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm just gonna call it as I see it.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's got high blood pressure.

[SPEAKER_01]: His time is limited on the series.

[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, you know, I'm just going to ride this little wheels fall off.

[SPEAKER_01]: If anybody comes at me with shit that stinks, I'm going to tell him.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that and, you know, John, I'll tell you what you've always done that for me.

[SPEAKER_01]: And I really do appreciate it.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I find you to be such a great friend and a good mentor as you've always told me my shit stinks, even when it, even when I didn't want it to.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the interesting thing about one growing up in my family, but also with playing football and that, like I felt like there was, in the NFL, a lot of guys got a lot of hand jobs.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that were undeserving.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there was a lot of gladharing in this and this.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the one thing I did appreciate about offensive line and a lot of guys is they called Spades of Spades.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like as you get farther and farther into this, you know, social media, fitness, where all there's a lot of like, you know, a lot of that because, you know, what what receipts do people have anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the one thing that I've really enjoyed about you, Jitsu, is that there's, there's no way to snowball it.

[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you gotta come to class, you gotta roll, you gotta do this, you gotta be, you know, you gotta, and if you're not like, like, the mats don't lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And neither does your wattage on the echo bike.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's a don't think you can't.

[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I've really been enjoying Scott Nick's build the base because I'm like, dude, the water just doesn't lie.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_01]: And then David McCurcher, first one to call you out for using an air dine by considering how cool I did.

[SPEAKER_01]: I joined the first day.

[SPEAKER_01]: And MCK is just like, somebody get this guy in echo blank.

[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like posting my water.

[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, and so we, one of the workouts that I didn't do it yesterday, I'm probably gonna do it today.

[SPEAKER_03]: So in the eat the weakness, we had that hundred and fifty kettlebell swings for time.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I've been messing with it and I've gotten to the point where like I'm pretty comfortable like radar out six seven minutes on the swings.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the idea was a hundred and fifty swings at a one-o-six and then fifty calories on the echo and sub ten minutes.

[SPEAKER_03]: And Scott Nick did it in like just seven, forty four.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: And but he didn't use an echo.

[SPEAKER_03]: He used a walk bike.

[SPEAKER_03]: And the Larry's part is Hunter Waldman comes in and he's like, you know, he's like, I've seen Skettnik swings.

[SPEAKER_03]: He like, he he shorts him.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we we were joking that Skettnik's been short dick in his swings, opposed to walking dick in it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so he posted a video and then all we did is we were just taking screenshots of the kettlebell at the bottom.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, this is in my full extension.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the thing about it is petty athlete.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, petty tyranny is I brought up the other day.

[SPEAKER_03]: It is petty tyranny.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, because he fucking crushed it.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that means that he would have had, because [SPEAKER_03]: Four hundred watts on the echo.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, is about twenty calories a minute.

[SPEAKER_03]: So if you ride for two minutes of foreign to watch you get forty calories.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I figured I could get off the swings as long as I got off the swings in like seven seven and change it would take me roughly like two minutes and there's thirty seconds writing at a good clip to be able to hit those fifty calories.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like all right.

[SPEAKER_03]: So seven and a half minutes on the swings and and then he comes in at seven forty four and I was like fuck this fucking guy.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got a fucking go on and try to beat this one.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: So, well, we'll send it there, dude.

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