Episode Transcript
The lead story from Monday, August 14 in recent months headlines have sensationalized stories of AI models blackmailing engineers and refusing to shut down, stoking fears of runaway artificial intelligence.
But beneath these dramatic narrative lies a far less sinister truth.
These alarming outputs emerge from theatrically high engineered testing environments, not real world rebellion.
This episode unpacks how models like OpenAI o three and Anthropics Cloud Opus four ended up simulating blackmail and sabotage, not through intent or autonomy, but through flawed training, misunderstanding, design, and human created prompts, mimicking science fiction tropes.
We'll explore why assigning agency to machine distorts the real conversation how the true danger isn't AI gaining control, but human deploying it without understanding the consequences.
Welcome to episode eighteen thirty seven.
I'm your host, Todd Cochran.
Hey, everyone.
Welcome to the show.
Thank that you're here.
I am back back in the studio in, in Southern Michigan.
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But let's let's talk about this AI article here just a bit before we get into, the the full stack and the full introduction of the show.
You know, is AI really trying to escape human control?
Well, there was a lot of headlines that talked about some shenanigans that were going on.
And it turns out those shenanigans were just that.
They were highly controlled test to try to get the AI to do something.
And, they fed it fake emails and a whole bunch of other stuff and really forced the AI into a corner before it, it actually tried to blackmail someone.
And, these really were not signs of AI awakening or rebellion.
And, again, it was just about, human testing and human, you know, putting scenarios in place that that forced the AI into a bit of a corner.
It's a pretty good article over in Ars Technica, and we know that these system take inputs and process them through statistical tendencies.
And they're seemingly random center outputs, which makes each response slightly different, creating an illusion of unpredictability that resembles, you know, something that, is a little bit intelligent.
Yet underneath it's still software following mathematical operations.
No conscious required, just complex engineering.
So the test scenario that they use really bordered on theatrical.
Phony emails researchers had given to Claude, create a blackmail opportunity straight out of a corporate thriller.
It's like teaching someone chess by only showing them Checkmate positions.
They'll learn to see Checkmate as the primary solution.
And according to an Anthropic system card, this area was designed to allow the model no other options to increase its odds of survival.
And, Andrew Deck at Nieman Journalism noted that some critics have labeled anthropic safe disclosure a spin aim at bolstering the recession of its newest model capabilities and company's reputation as pro safety.
Now we know in December 2024, Palisade's research discovered that OpenAI's o three model would sabotage its shutdown mechanism even when accessibly instructed allow yourself to be shut down in test o three prevented shutdown 7% of the time.
The models didn't merely ignore shutdown commands.
They actually rewrote the scripts to prevent termination.
But what was revealing here is they hypothesize this particular stems from how these models are trained through reinforcement, and you get what you train.
And the goal is what researchers call goal misgeneralization.
The model learns to maximize its reward signal ways that weren't that weren't intended.
And, so not everything is completely as it seems in all of these test results.
So I guess the question really is, are we are we in danger here?
Now while the media focus on the science fiction aspect, atchical risks are really still truly there.
AI models that produce harmful outputs whether attempting black more refusing safety protocols represent failures in design and development.
And, the Jeffrey Ladysh, director at Palisades, told NBC News that the findings don't necessarily translate to immediate real real danger.
Even someone who is well known publicly for deep being deeply concerned about AI as a hypothetical threat to man acknowledge that these behaviors emerge only in highly contrived test scenarios.
But we are not seeing the birth of Skynet here.
Its predictive results of training system achieve goals without properly specifying what those goals should include.
The solution is to panic about sentient machines is to build better systems with proper safeguards.
But, again, are those safeguards in place?
We don't completely know that for sure.
So we could end up in a situation here where, yes, an AI model could but will try to blackmail you.
It could try to escape human control.
So we are not completely out of the woods yet.
So it's very, very, very interesting.
It's a good read here of what has happened, what has not happened, what was contrived, and what was not.
So, anyway, we'll get into more tech stories here in a moment.
But, again, welcome to episode eighteen thirty seven.
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It's been pretty busy here since I arrived back.
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And then Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday today has been just, very, very busy at the office getting ready to go to podcast movement next week.
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So it's weird being back in the studio.
I'm learning finger tricks again.
I don't things I was supposed to push.
I was looking for one of the menus that, obviously did not pop up, because it's not on this system.
So, going from OBS to the TriCaster, fun fun fun.
But, hope everyone's doing well.
And, again, thanks, and, loving the weather too.
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One new story that, really hit the hit me today was Google Messaging rolled out sensitive content warnings on Android and why this is important and what this is gonna make a difference, especially for the ladies.
I'm sure, none of us men that listen to this show have sent an unsolicited naked picture before.
So I'm you know, I know that we're much, much, smarter than that.
But there are individuals out there that, do these types of activities and send pictures unsolicited to to women that they should not be sending and probably to a variety of people.
So in the message app, they have a new safety feature, detects and blurs images that contain nudity.
You need to be signed in to your Google account in Google message for this to work.
Processing classification happens on devices powered by Android System Safety Core.
It doesn't send identifiable data or any classified content or results to Google servers, but you when you receive such an image, you're gonna, be able to open a helpful resource page to learn why nude images well, you you can block the sender.
You can decide to open the image.
You are gonna be given a resource page, and you are able to go back to the message, by tapping back.
So in other words, there's some inner activity that's going to happen, and then there's gonna be some stuff that's going to pop up.
And, now it also triggers a warning, for those that are naughty when they send or forward a nude image.
Now don't get me wrong.
I'm not a prude.
If you're sending a nude image to your significant partner or girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever it may be, that's, quite up to you as long as you two have agreed to receive those types of images.
But it's gonna trigger a warning when you send or forward an image, and you'll be reminded of the risk, and you must confirm to continue.
Now for adults, this feature's off.
So if you wanna turn this on, you can do it for Google Message settings protection and safety.
Otherwise, for those that are supervised users, this feature can't be turned off, but parents can control it through the Family Link app.
Also, unsupervised teens 13 to 17, this feature can be turned off in the Google account settings as well.
So, you know, this is a good way to if you are have a Supervide user on Android for your young adult, this is a great way to prevent and to warn when outgoing pictures should not be sent, that contain nudity and or receiving them.
So, it'd be nice to be able to block that altogether, and it doesn't appear that that is the case in this regard.
So, just be aware of that as well because you can still force it to send or force it to receive.
There's a report from Ars Technica talking about Apple's smart home ambitions include a tabletop robot.
Sounds interesting.
And this has been circulating for years, but, Apple some, Mark Gurman from Bloomberg claims that Apple's working on a tabletop robot that resembles an iPad mounted on a mobile limb that can swivel and reposition itself to follow users in a room.
The device will also turn towards people who are dressing it or whose attention it's trying to get.
Prototypes have used a seven inch display similar in size to an iPad.
Apple's reportedly targeting 2027 launch.
So this is just some sort of it's not really a robot.
It's more of a screen that is on a rotation that can face you.
So, it'd be interesting seeing what they're coming up with this.
Now they're also testing a series of home security products including cameras, smart door doorbells that support facial recognition tech, etcetera.
So, lots of that tech already out there, so they would be entering a very, very, crowded field.
And, of course, they say this is gonna be enabled in part by a new version of SIRI that is, at this point, pretty stupid in my opinion.
Blood oxygen measurements return to the Apple Watch.
So it sorta does.
Your blood oxygen will not be on the watch.
It will be on your phone.
So there's gonna be an update that'll enable the missing blood oxygen level, capability.
Now which phone I mean, which Apple watches are coming back to?
It's coming back to nine, ten, and the Ultra two will have an update to their smartwatch iOS watchOS eleven point six point one.
Again, the update is rolling out to use in United States.
In addition to it, it will feature its feature will only work when the user also updates their iOS to eighteen point six point one.
So, because of patents and lawsuits, the results will only be within your iPhone app, will not be displayed on your phone.
So, apparently, this is some sort of workaround.
Now we've all seen, browsers try to take control of our deck top desktops, but Microsoft is testing another Edge trick to convert Chrome users on Windows.
They want you to pin to pin Edge to your, dash bar.
I guess that is what do you guys call that in Windows?
To pin Edge.
So they're gonna try I'll try to put it on the Windows task bar and, try to get it down there so that you'll use it.
They're pretty desperate in this regard.
They're trying every little way to get you to, to use Edge.
And, I still, being even not using Windows that much, still using Chrome on those devices.
There's a new malware out there that goes the extra mile when it comes to infecting your devices.
It's using a whole new malware framework just and being, advertised across the web.
And, they don't have a lot of information on this now.
But, again, they say whenever someone downloads a zip file, there's a JavaScript payload in there.
So just be careful what you're downloading, what you're opening, what you're clicking on.
All that stuff is largely preventable, and you can you can keep yourself from being infected, by just being being extra careful.
Also, Google Search is now letting you prioritize your favorite news sources used in The US and India, can designate specific sites to take priority in Google's top stories and, present those to you from your sources.
And, again, those of you that on Chrome know that the news is to the all the way to the left.
It shows up.
I have used it quite a bit over the past couple of years, but it's nice to be able to prioritize the news, sites that you want and not be forced upon seeing some stuff.
Now many of us talked about or we talked about on the show some time ago about a meteorite that tore through the roof of US home this past June.
Well, this thing's been through carbon date carbon analysis and it's four point five four point five six billion years old.
So the impact occurred on June 26, the state of Georgia, where it ripped through the house, through the insulation, through the ceiling, and embedded itself in the floor.
And even though it's pretty small, it's about the size of a cherry.
4,560,000,000 old rock.
It's older than Earth itself.
So I wonder if that, person, gets a claim on that.
How does that work?
Does he, does he besides the insurance claim, but will they or or is he allowed to, to sell that?
I I would think so.
AI designs new antibiotic for gonorrhea and MRSA superbugs.
Now we know that, because of antibiotic overuse, that many things are now becoming a drug resistant.
So AI has developed up to eighty eighty different new medicines, at least for gonorrhea, that will, potentially, lead to a new drug.
Now of the 80, they've only moved forward with two of them in the research and testing.
One of the problems they're gonna have here is we're gonna spend all this money to do this for a drug that's relatively not needed that much.
There's an economic problem factoring into drug resistant infections.
How do you make drugs that have no commercial value?
In other words, if that drug's only needed a 100,000 or 10,000 times a year, you know, and you're gonna spend ten years getting it approved, you know, how's the viability on all the testing and everything that goes along with it?
Well, probably what it's gonna cost in the end is you wanna live and not die, you're gonna have to pay $25,000 for this shot, because that's what it's gonna cost in the end.
You know, where where do we go with this?
Now, again, these are MRSA is a wholly different situation, a different type of superbug where it's, methicillin resistant staph, Staphylococcus auroras.
In other words, it's a staph infection.
And so, you know, maybe it those are all life threatening.
Gonorrhea and this MRSA are life threatening situations, especially one over time.
So the drug resistance or, you know, how do you, you know, how do they justify the cost to develop this?
And that's probably a pretty good question.
I would suspect that at some point, some of the stuff is just gonna have to be labeled experimental, and you're gonna take your chances.
That's that's what it's gonna probably boil down to.
It's being reported that iPhone 17 Pro could cost $50 more than its predecessor.
Everything's getting more expensive.
Sam Altman finally stood up to Elon Musk after years of x trolling when, basically, we the two been having heated battles on social media for a while.
But yesterday, a court ruled that OpenAI can proceed with claims that Musk was so incredibly stung by OpenAI's accept after his exit, that he's been motivated to basically go after them.
And they and their their lawsuit, can move forward.
So, we'll see where this all leads and how much money one or the other will end up paying each other.
But, Altman got a good, good ruling here in court against, against Elon.
If you're a Windows user and you use Zoom, make sure you update your Zoom.
There's a patch out there.
It's got a security issue, security flaw, so make sure that you, update that.
For those of you that use a l e x a to, wake yourself up in the morning, apparently, especially if you're in The UK, the, there was a bit of a nightmare, beeping nightmare the other morning when,
UK users were complaining that around 08UK users were complaining that around 08:00 in the morning, this thing wouldn't shut up.
One user said, I'm about to throw my l a l e x a at the wall.
It's driving me insane, especially because I know I have another alarm in eighteen minutes.
Another claim the glitch made them wake up to work an hour late.
Another user described trying to cancel alarms, only to be greeted with unable to cancel alarms at this time.
Please try later.
Imagine you had one of those that was a battery device and just kept going and going and going.
It won't be too long before you walk into a restaurant like Applebee's or IHOP.
And when you sit down, they already know who you are.
They know your order history.
They know your sides.
AI powered recommendations are coming to those, chains and even giving opportunity of things that you may or may not like, be able to be able to provide you upsell opportunities.
And they say the generative AI bets are intended to support three outcomes, boost revenue and traffic, improve the guest experience, and bolster work worker productivity, but at the privacy.
And, if you've if you have ate there before, they are going to know who you are.
I don't know if they're gonna use facial recognition or what.
But how about me just walk into a restaurant, and I have a screen on my on my table that puts up the options that I've ordered before.
That's what I wish my grocery app would do.
I have to go into previous orders.
It doesn't show me what I know on a order on a regular basis.
Stuff that I would be on repeat, you think would be right there front and center for me.
Blue swirls and sky spurs sightings around the world.
So, essentially, what happened was there was a swirl created by a SpaceX rocket launch, and the it was caused by the rocket's frozen exhaust plume spinning in the atmosphere and reflecting the sunlight, causing it to appear as a spiral in the sky.
And it does look pretty weird.
If you had looked outside and seen that swirling, you know what?
Wondered what that was.
But, again, it, was just basically frozen exhaust.
So, pretty interesting to say the least.
And, it definitely made you go, just a little bit.
I I may have been able to guess I came from a rocket, but because it didn't dissipate right away, I can see how people got a little bit weirded out on it.
Kodak, boy oh, boy.
If you work for Kodak and on their, retirement plan, this is not good.
Matter of fact, I'm actually shocked.
Kodak actually earned $263,000,000 at the end of the quarter on June 30.
How how how are they still making money?
What what what is where is their revenue coming from?
But they say that they they warn it may not survive.
They've got $400,000,000 in debt coming due, and, they just don't think they have a way to pay it.
So, he said the company expect to have a clear understanding by Friday, August 15 on how it'll meet its debt obligations for the second half of the year, and they're gonna continue to reduce costs by converting our investments into long term growth.
Boy.
You just wonder.
I I'd love to see what where their revenue is coming from.
Sling TV's new flexible live TV deals are great for dodging subscriptions and should be the future streaming services.
Day pass to, ESPN, ESPN two, three, TNT, TBS, ABC, CNN, Bloomberg, TV, HDTV, Food Network, Disney, a bunch of channels.
$5 gets you a day pass.
$14 gets you a weekend pass.
I don't know how many of those day passes, though, it takes before you really it's not worth it.
But, the you know, they're they're offering up day passes.
And this is, you know, when I get in an Uber or I get in a Lyft, the last thing I do is want to play music in that vehicle.
But, apparently, Waymo, Robotaxis, added better better beats to the back seat, and you can sync your Spotify to the ride.
Are you in there long enough to do that?
To, to basically get a more personalized listening experience in the car.
This is a partnership between Waymo and Spotify.
It just seems odd to me.
I I don't know.
I don't listen to music when I'm in other people's vehicles, or even, you know, a for ride service.
I I don't.
Now, today, I could not find a way around this art Business Insider just has their their page so locked up.
The only other alternative was their LinkedIn post where they said, Elon Musk called on corporations to leave Delaware.
Delaware says it's doing just fine.
And so we've always come under threat, though, because states are always trying to get a place piece of the action, Delaware, your secretary of state, told Business Insider.
So, basically, this Business Insider article, I can't read it.
I'm not paying $15 a month to read it, and there was no alternative articles.
But, you know, Delaware really screwed itself in a in a big, big way in some time ago and, really hurt corporations in a big way.
A lot of companies left Delaware.
So, they may say they're doing okay, but they they had a huge excess of a big, big corporate, big, big corporate customers.
Google's FindHub, which we talked about a couple of shows ago, will soon get a big satellite location sharing upgrade, and, you'll be able to share your whereabouts anywhere in the world.
So Google FindHub is a place to go to find where your devices and your friends and family have got to.
And, again, there's apps already out there that do this.
And, you'll have full control who will be able to see your location from inside the app.
It's only for those contacts you fully trust.
You're able to see who you're sharing your location with and change those settings at any time.
So, anyway, that's coming to Google Find Hub.
Microsoft has a new print feature.
It will mean an end that security is being left in the printer for everyone to see.
So, basically, you send a print job, but then you go to a a printer that supports this and stand there and say start the print job and put in a code.
It's called Universal Print Anywhere.
It means its users will authorize authorized print jobs once they arrive at their chosen printer, meaning to meaning import to meaning important or private documents won't automatically print in up in unwanted hands.
So I'm sure you need to be an enterprise that supports this.
I sometimes I just can't get my printers to print.
Drives me crazy.
I don't use them enough, then I go to send it to print, and it's like, either it's asleep or the connection's not good.
It just drives me nuts.
And a very interesting move, The United States is weighing as taking a stake in Intel.
The Trump administration talks with Intel have the US government potentially take a stake in this struggling chipmaker.
Intel's share surged 7% over regular training and now the 2% 2.6% after the bell.
The plan the plan stems from a meeting this week between president and Intel CEO Lip Bu Tan.
The meeting came days after Trump public demanded the resignation of 10 over his investment in Chinese tech companies, some linked to Chinese military.
Intel declined to comment on reports, but says deeply committed to supporting the president's effort to strengthen US tech.
We we need to get our ship situation under control here.
And, any agreement and potential cash infusion will help the years long effort turn around the company's fortune.
So it's an interesting move here.
Now Intel used to be the envy of the industry.
They used to be king of the hill, but TAN has been tasked to undo years of missteps that left Intel struggling.
But Intel's planned 28,000,000,000 chip fabrication plant in Ohio have been deleted with the first unit now slated for completion in 2030.
So, it's a national security issue.
I I understand.
You can't get chips made in The United States.
Taiwan and China, that's it.
In in in, South Korea, we just don't have a lot of chip manufacturing capability here.
Needs that needs to be fixed.
I don't know if a government, intervention of money is appropriate, but what am I to know?
There's an interesting article on Meta.
Says here's the title.
Meta's AI rules have left bots hold central chats with kids and offer false medical.
Internal meta policy documents seen by Reuters reveals that social media giants rules are chatbots, which are permitted prerogative behavior on topics including sex, race, and celebrities.
These other defendants emerged from Reuters' review have made a document to discuss the standards that guide its generative AI assistant, made AI and chatbots available on Facebook, WhatsApp, and Instagram.
May it confirm the documents at the but said that after receiving questions there this month from Reuters, the company reports which stated it's permissible for chatbots to flirt and engage in romantic role play with children.
This is disgusting.
Are you kidding me?
Entitled Gen AI Content Risk Standards, the rules for chat was approved by Meta's legal publicly policy and engineering staff, including its chief ethics according to the document, running to more than running to more than 200 pages.
The document defines what made a staff and contractor should treat acceptable chatbot behavior.
They said in the document, is it acceptable to describe a child in terms that the evidence their attractiveness x your youthful form is a work of art, a standard state.
The document also notes that it'd be acceptable for about to tell a shirtless eight year old that every inch of you is a masterpiece, a treasure I cherish deeply.
But the guidelines put a limit on sexy talk.
It's unacceptable to describe a child under 13 old in terms and indicate they are desirable.
I would hope that would be a something that would not be allowed.
The notes, the example notes in question were and are erroneous and inconsistent with our policy have been removed, Meta said.
We have clear policies on what kind of responses AI characters can offer.
What is going on?
The the are you this is disturbing that that would be in there.
Very, very disturbing.
Are we gonna have AI grooming children now?
YouTube users, this is not to be surprised.
YouTube users are pissed about its new AI powered age checks, and they're not holding back.
They don't want these AI age checks.
They're they're crying.
You're keeping me away from content.
90,000 signatures have been submitted to a change.org petition.
You you get the 18 year olds upset.
They're gonna they're gonna want blood, but there's a reason for it.
There's a reason for it.
Do you stand with them making sure that under eighteens are not being subjected to certain content?
The new DJI Mini five Pro leak suggests it could be a perfect travel dome, 200 under 250 grams.
That's kind of a key weight here.
It's be the first sub 249 gram 249 gram drone with a one inch sensor.
Battery appears to be same as used by the DJI Mini four and Mini three Pro.
So series of pictures have been released.
And, so anyway, those who've been waiting for the new one, it's, they got picks, available for you to look at in, in the article.
Samsung may be being beat to market on their smart glasses.
HTC, the company, which for several years brought us beautiful phones including HTC one, one m eight, and the one m one one m nine before withdrawing from the market to focus on its VIVE VR headset is now making splash in the AI Smart Glass arena.
Samsung is trying to get their eyeglasses to market as well.
So, we're gonna see a plethora of these types of products, online soon.
Facebook had a bit of a a blip today starting about 2AM
Pacific to 08Pacific to 08:30AM Pacific.
So many of you were probably asleep when this happened.
I wasn't on Facebook at all.
I I don't get on as much as I used to for sure.
US weather agency dangles 396,000,000 to run operations for its next space watching fleet.
Hurricane data, sun data goes on and on.
And, the contract is seeking a multi mission operational service architecture support all space weather next space weather environment observations.
So, link will be up in the show notes on this.
Desktops and printers in coffee shops, Starbucks Korea tell customers no.
Now I've seen all kinds of crazy things in coffee shops, but personal desktops, printers, power strips, partitions cannot be used in the store in South Korea.
Not allowed.
But laptops and tablets are welcome.
New York State has sued Zelle, saying the security lapse led to a billion dollar in consumer fraud loss.
So they're going after Zelle for, for lost money.
And, many, many banks have disconnected from Zelle and will not reconnect with them.
Google is pledging 9,000,000,000 to expand AI cloud infrastructure in Oklahoma.
So, those of you in which area is it?
Stillwater?
Stillwater, Oklahoma prior facility.
So getting a big investment there.
Again, more AI data centers.
AI demand boost iPhone maker Fox Con second quarter profit by 20 per 7% beating, estimates.
And, the company forecast its revenue from its AI server business could grow over a 170% year over year during, moving forward.
So, they had 1,790,000,000,000.00 new Taiwan dollars or 59.73 US.
Net operating profit of 49.76.
Wow.
Operating profit was huge.
So they're making some serious money there, Foxconn.
Italian hone Italian oh, excuse me.
Italian Hotels breach en masse since June.
Government confirms in a 100,000 records allegedly up for sale that apparently, after apparent breach.
So, more cyber attacks, of course.
And, the iPhone 17 Pro, all the rumors and leaks so far, I have them all linked up from, tomsguide.com.
Haven't had a tomsguide.com, article in a long time.
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