Episode Transcript
On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space, feedback doesn't define your worth.
It literally is highlighting the next opportunity for you to grow right.
And like you said, separating who I am from what I did is a skill that keeps us coachable so that we can take the feedback and realize, like, this doesn't define me.
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Speaker 2Our quote of the day, feedback is a gift and it's okay to unwrap it slowly.
All Right, I'm gonna say that quote one more time for the folks in the back.
Make sure you really pay attention.
Speaker 3To this quote.
Speaker 2Feedback is a gift, and it's okay to unwrap it slowly.
Speaker 4A r T.
Speaker 1When you hear this quote.
Speaker 3What comes to mind.
Speaker 1For you when I hear this quote?
The first part of it, feedback is a gift.
Although I know that to be true, sometimes it doesn't feel like a gift.
And I think at the same time, feedback can be a mirror and it can reveal to us things that we not things that we may not be able to see about ourselves that can help us grow.
So instead of opening that feedback, that feedback gift like a Christmas present that you're excited for.
Sometimes you have to open it slowly because it might hurt your feelings, it might make you feel the way.
Sometimes you gotta ease it open so you can take it, you know, and process it at your speed.
So that's what I think of when I hear this quote, what about.
Speaker 2You, Yes, I think it's similar for me, right that, like, okay, so I don't have to hurry up and open it right away and pull out all the things and look at everything all at once.
To me, this quote is a reminder that it's okay to slow that process all the way down, right, that maybe today all I do is take the wrapping off, right maybe tomorrow it's I then open it and look and see what's inside.
And then the next day after that I come back and I pull out what's inside.
And so it's a reminder that it doesn't have to be resolved, be dealt with all at once, right.
Speaker 1Best Lord?
Okay, So I guess we might as well just dig right into this topic.
So, Lady, today we're talking about something that a lot of us say we're open to, but in the moment, it can be hard to actually do.
And I'm guilty of this as well.
Okay, it's receiving feedback.
Whether it's from your kids, our parents, our partner, or someone we deeply respect, feedback can bring up a lot of feelings, and if we're honest, it can hit even harder when it comes from someone you love and someone you respect.
Right, So today we're talking about ocive feedback with grace, self awareness, and a little self compassion, because that's important as well.
We're also going to break down what happens in the moment, how to respond instead of reacting, and how to process what you've heard without losing yourself in it.
So let's get into it.
I feel we should talk about why this topic is important because people may hear it, but I think that it's a there's some context that should be late, I guess before we dive in.
Speaker 2Yes, and I think part of that context is really understanding that we have episodes where we talk about receiving feedback in general, right, and what to do about feedback in the workplace.
But this particular topic about parents and children and that relationship is such an important topic that oftentimes we as in the community society at large, don't talk about it from this perspective of how do you, as the parent or the caregiver or the person in that important person in a child's life, how do you receive feedback from them?
What do you do with that feedback that.
Speaker 3You receive from them?
Speaker 2I think for me why this topic is so important right now is because I think about the college students that I work with, and oftentimes something that comes up in session is having conversations, difficult conversations with their parents where they are trying to give their parents some feedback and the parents just don't want to hear it.
And as I'm listening, I find myself in the space of understanding both sides, right, recognizing that there may be moments for the parent where it's hard to receive that feedback, and also having the moment of.
Speaker 3You're not grown enough.
Speaker 2Yet to give me feedback.
Speaker 1Okay, what do you know?
Speaker 2What do you know about this?
Speaker 1Right?
Speaker 2But then also thinking about it from that college student's perspective of Okay, I've been living away from home long enough now where I can see some things with a different different lens.
Yeah, And I'm learning about myself and I'm looking at the ways in which we grew up, the way I was raised, and this ain't it.
Y'all made some mistakes and now want to let y'all know about it.
And it's a complicated thing, right, very much so, whether you're whether you're that child giving the feedback or that parent receiving it.
And I'm speaking specifically of like working with college students, but I also think about the littles.
So when I say the littles, I mean like the you know, the the under eighteen, the under ten.
Speaker 1Right, because they have feedback too.
Speaker 2Oh yes, and some of their feedback has no filter.
It's just out there, right yea.
And what do you do with that?
Right?
Like your three year old is giving you feedback like, and it's unfiltered.
It's just it's raw and you might not have been ready for it, right, yes, Or you are grown grown, like you a full adult, got kids of your own, and you're trying to give your parents some feedback about how they parented you and how willing are they to receive that feedback, how open are they to that feedback, And so it's a multi generational conversation that we're going to be we're talking about today.
Speaker 1That was such a good overview, Dom.
I couldn't agree more.
And I would say, also, it's important because how we handle feedback it really does impact how our relationship with people progresses, right.
Like I think about for myself, you know, trying to give my mom feedback as an adult when I realized certain things and wanted to talk to about it, and I was very tactful in the way that I went to her with certain feedback, but there were certain things that she just wasn't able to didn't have the capacity to hold or handle, and a lot of that has to do with why we are not in relationship today.
I think about my dad on the other hand, when I would give him feedback and he was open, right like, he responded in a certain way, and so we've been able to have a healthy dialogue about some of those things.
And then, like you said, my four year old who gives me feedback as well, And I want to hold space for the feedback that she has because I want to keep that feedback loop going in our relationship.
And then the last thing I want to share is dom you talked about the parentals.
You talked about like the different generational I guess the generational connections that we have when it comes to feedback, but I also think about some of us who were perentified children, who our younger siblings kind of look at us like parents at or at some point in their lives, they looked at us as parents.
And now that my younger siblings who I raise are older, they've had feedback for me, and I've held space to have that conversation with them and receive that feedback in again, it's all, it's so impactful and it really does it really does matter, right because we want to keep these relationships healthy and growing.
So that is why this conversation is important, lady, as you're listening, it may not be the easiest conversation to have, but it's something necessary if you are on the growth journey.
So let's get into it.
Speaker 2So when I think about the feedback that like if someone if you are the parent, you are the adult, and you are receiving the feedback right.
Speaker 3One of the.
Speaker 2Things that immediately comes up for me is what do you do in that moment?
Right, like you're because oftentimes when I think about it, and we'll have a whole part too where we talk about the steps to take if you're the person delivering the feedback, right, yeah, but this episode is about the person receiving it.
Speaker 3So one of the.
Speaker 2Things that I often talk to my students about is if you're going to be if you're going to give the feedback, like, invite that person in for a conversation, don't blind side them, yes, because I think about so if you are that person who is blindsided, like your child comes up to you and says, hey, I got it.
We you know, I want to talk to you, and it's not a when do you when it would be a good time for us to talk, it's I got some feedback for you, right, And in reality, oftentimes it's not even they don't even preface it.
Yeah, they might dive right in to giving you that feedback.
And so what tends to happen in that moment?
Oftentimes it's a bodily reaction, right, Like I think about like your body, like physically, like all of your muscles kind of like tensing up, like you're prepared for warfare, right, yes, And because you're you might be feeling attacked and so your body tenses up.
Maybe you find yourself like holding your breath and you don't even realize it, right, And then like you're bracing.
It's like you're bracing yourself for impact and you're on the defense.
And maybe maybe you might also be feeling embarrassed.
There might be some hurt, there might be some shame, there might be some shock because it may be like, where the hell is this coming from.
Speaker 1I was just gonna say, I, Okay, So we're talking about receiving the feedback, right, I think many of us can agree that it's you.
Even though it can be difficult to get feedback, I think that usually it's more uncomfortable to receive it, at least in my opinion, it is for me.
Speaker 2Yes.
Speaker 1And the thing about it, too, dom is I think that as I've developed my communication skills and I have learned how to tactfully bring up sensitive conversations, sometimes there's the expectation that other people have that same skill set or they've developed and done that same work.
And that's not always the case, and so I think a lot of times in these situations, if you're receiving feedback, it's likely coming in a way that isn't I deal like, unless you're you know, you're the person coming to you, they've done some work, they've done some studying, they've been intentional about getting tools to give the feedback.
So I think that when that, I think those bodily responses that you share are so accurate, and especially because it does depend on how the person approaches you.
If someone comes and they're like, hey, you know, do you have space for this?
I want to talk to you about something, and they kind of prepare you and you feel like you're eased into it, that's going to probably give you a very different response as opposed to I didn't like when this happened when I was five, and this this whatever it might be, right, it's a different response.
I'm talking like, I know for me, you feel flushed, like your face feels red, your shoulders might tense up, like you just really feel like you said, like you're ready for war, you feel that in your body.
And so I think those are the things that can happen.
And I think a couple questions that you can ask yourself when someone does come to you for feedback or with feedback, is just paying attention to how your body feels.
How do you how does your body feel?
And where do you feel it in your body?
That's a good question to ask yourself.
And then also do you tend to get defensive or shut down completely?
I think that sometimes in my experience of giving constructive feedback, it either people are open and sometimes they feel so bad and like damn near beat themselves up about it, or it could be totally defensive and just I mean belligerent, like it could be you know.
That's my experience has been those two sort of ends of the spectrum.
So I think that's what comes up for me in the moment when I think about that.
Dom'd you have a specific example, by any chance, because I'm trying to think of one in my life where maybe I've gotten feedback and how I took it, so.
Speaker 2I can give you one where I didn't do well right, because I think the thing is is that you know, as a therapist, like I'm I'm general like you said, I'm generally well equipped with all of the h that still doesn't mean that I do it right.
Speaker 3All the time.
Speaker 2Yes, so I can think I can think of an instant recently where it was a family family time and we were we were playing a card game or something.
We were having family fun time, and I don't remember exactly what it was.
I don't even remember what game it was that we were playing, but it was something on the card and it prompted my nieces to say that I can't hold secrets, right.
Speaker 1That offends me in a moment, like you secrets?
Okay, okay, And that.
Speaker 2Was my exact response, right, I was like, what's your mean?
And and then they proceeded to say like, yeah, there there have been times where you haven't held and so in that moment, my initial gut reaction was that, well what what what the heck like if you knew, if you.
Speaker 1Only knew okay, right?
Yeah?
Speaker 2And so then I paused and I said okay, like I felt myself tense up, yeah, and I felt myself wanting to go on the defense.
And then in that moment, I was able to take a breath and say and say to myself, you know what, hear them out and I didn't ask for any like specific examples, but you know, for me, it was Okay, this is the feedback that they're giving me that they for them their experiences, that I don't hold their secrets.
And so then I walked away from it and got reflective of Okay, one, my job as a therapist is the whole secrets.
So I'm like, I know I know how to do this.
But then I'm like, but then, what it reminded me is that even though I know that I can do this, it made me ask, am I able to do this?
Speaker 3Do I truly do this with them?
Speaker 2Because just because I can do it in general doesn't mean that they are getting that same experience.
But that initial like that I had that initial gut like got rule like defense.
Speaker 1I just know it now?
That was okay.
First of all, that was such a good example.
Thank you so much for sharing that too.
I appreciate your transparency as a therapist and someone who does this work like you have a whole PhD in this, like you do this work right, especially when it comes to it's just the work with your clients and things that you do with the university.
So I appreciate you being transparent and letting us us now on PhDs and non therapy folks, you don't.
I mean, let us know, like, okays together.
I appreciate that.
But that was a really good example, and I'm just processing one of the things.
My hunch is here is that there's and we don't have to get into the weeds of it, but my hunch is that there's probably some stuff that they share it with you, and it's like I need to I feel inclined to tell your parent about this thing because of the nature of what it may have been.
So that's what I was, That's what I was going to.
It's like, you got a whole secret is of course of course.
Speaker 3Yeah.
Speaker 1Sometimes he's like, I gotta tell your mama.
I can't just be leating you.
Yeah, So.
Speaker 3Of course.
Speaker 1That was a good one.
Let me see, is there anything else we should talk about when it comes to what comes up in the moment.
Speaker 3I think those are the main things.
Speaker 2Is like, pay attention to your body so quick recap on that.
Yeah, pay attention to what's what's coming up in your body, Pay attention to that initial verbal vomit that might come out.
Like like I explained in my real life example, right that these are the things that this is real life, This is what happens in the moment, and it's okay for you to have those reactions.
However, that doesn't have to be the end of the process.
It doesn't have to stop there.
Speaker 1Yeah, I love that.
And I think the next sort of topic we're going to dive into is around responding versus reacting.
And I think this is such a good one because, like you said, it's so easy.
I think many of us, it's probably the ego.
We just we want to protect ourselves, we want to get defensive.
Like even if it's even sometimes what it is true, is you still like no, I don't like I know, I've been there for sure.
Yeah, and now I reflect it, I'm like, wait a second, you're right.
But sometimes that, like you said, that initial gut reaction is to do that.
I think that when it comes to responding versus reacting, in most cases, I do believe that responding is more well thought out.
It's you pausing to take some breaths, choosing words to keep the conversation open, been and not just being quick, defensive and ego led right, Like an example of that will be will you do it too well?
You don't keep my secrets either, or like you do the same thing and in most cases, because the person that we're likely getting feedback from it is probably not going to say it in the most tactfully and responsible way.
Right, it may come across, it may come out like you said for the kiddo, it's like unfiltered, and it may stink a little bit, and I think a lot of times in those cases we want to offer a couple of simple scripts for a pause, because a lot of times when that feedback comes out that way, we kind of have to bypass how it came out initially, or bypassed how it came out and think about what is what is that the essence at the core?
What's that the crux of what they're trying to tell me right now, right?
And we can address the response based on how we you know, based on the relationship that we have with this person.
But there's something there likely right, they're not just saying it to say it, And so something you could potentially say in that moment is I need a moment to think about what you said.
Thank you for sharing this, but you need time to process it.
And it's okay to set that boundary and let them know that, you know, I want to be intentional with how I respond to you, and I want to make sure that I respond in a way where you feel heard and you feel as though I'm actually taking it in.
But I'm having some reactions right now and I need a moment, but I do appreciate it.
Something else you could say is thank you for telling me I want to sit with this before I respond, so you can have some space and separation to get yourself ready for whatever they won't share.
Speaker 2I love those, and I think you know in general, like with the example that I shared, sometimes it's hard to do that in that moment, right, Like ideally, yes, you want to take that pause and you can come back from that.
Right So let's say that you do have that immediate, quick defensive reaction like I had, like I said, I was able to I had that quick reaction and then I paused, and so you can still come back from that and you can say.
Speaker 3You know, okay, I.
Speaker 2Had my initial reaction, and now I do want to take a moment and truly think about what it was that you shared what you just shared.
And something else that you can do also in helping you to respond and not react, is to ask for if they didn't already provided specific examples.
Right, So you know my niece is saying that I don't hold their secrets.
Okay, can you give me an example of a time when I didn't hold the secret you wanted me to, right?
Because I think what that does is that allows for clarification.
Yes, and because sometimes what may happen is if we stick with this example, let's say that they shared something with me and they didn't tell me that they wanted it held in confidence, and I shared it out with their mom in conversation, not I brought it up in conversation not realizing that that was something that they didn't want their mom to know.
So if they provide that example, then my response to them is, I'm sorry that I did not hold that.
However, I was not aware that that was something you wanted me to hold in confidence.
Perhaps, moving forward, when there are things you truly don't want me to share, can you let me know that up front?
Speaker 1I love that so much.
That's so good, And I was gonna actually say that leaning into curiosity is key as well, Like if you are in a space where you do feel calm and it was presented in a way where you can your body isn't having those responses, and maybe you don't need space.
You can just simply say, I'm kind of think of an example for me, because I know my siblings have given me feedback over the years.
Probably that I was talking to my brother recently.
He was just saying how when he was young, like we I have a different relationship with my siblings now that they're older, because when I was young, when they were younger, I was more like a parent, So they didn't come to me about certain things.
I was like, they just saw all me.
It's like, oh, we can't talk to her about that, But now that now they can since they're older, And so maybe being strict or something may have been one and so leaning into curiosity like you said, well, wait, what do you mean by that?
Ask for examples?
What do you mean by that?
And another thing I wrote down was what would you prefer me doing that situation?
Like kind of getting an ideal outcome?
Because we're going to give you another We're going to have another section in this conversation, lady, where we do a bit more processing, and you can use what you have or what you talk about with them in this responding versus reacting section.
You can use that for the processing.
So understanding the clear examples and I personally I want a pattern.
I want to give me a laundry list if you have it.
Sometimes people do sometimes they don't have any examples, right, I forgot, but I just know you do this thing right, And so if you do have the feedback, you can write that down and then also understand, like, well, how would you like me to show up because I want to see not saying that it's going to happen because it may not be reasonable, right, but to get clarity what is the ideal so you know what you're working with?
I think that's also important.
Speaker 2Yes, I love that, like asking, yes, asking what is what are you needing from me going forward?
So that you can because then that helps improve the dynamic.
Speaker 1Yep.
Speaker 3So this takes us to the next section.
Speaker 2Right, So now you've gotten the feedback and whether you want it the feedback, whether you like the feedback, agree with it or not.
Part of this process of navigating feedback is to find a way for you to self soothe and take care of that fragile ego.
Yes, So the key here is to remind yourself that you are receiving feedback.
And this is not an attack, right, I want to acknowledge that there are instances in which you are being attacked, right, Like, I want to make that clear that that can happen.
That's a whole different conversation for a different episode.
What we are referring to is those times when it is clear that the person is offering trying to offer constructive feedback for you.
And typically once we've taken that pause, we can clearly tell the difference between feedback and an attack.
Because with feedback, if you've done these previous steps, if you have asked clarifying questions, and you've asked what they want, how they want you to show up differently, and they've been able to give you answers to that, you're getting feedback.
If you ask clarifying questions, you ask how they want you to show up differently, and then they get defensive, chances are your being attacked.
Speaker 1That's good.
Speaker 2And so when you realize that this truly is about feedback, the next step in your self soothing is to identify some grounding practices that are benefit you.
So whether that's taking multiple deep breaths, whether that's touching something that's grounding, So that might be planting your feet on the floor so that you are getting connected with earth.
Maybe it's holding a finger, folding your hands in your lap, maybe it's your hand on your chest, but you are finding something that allows you to slow your heart rate back down, to come to a space of not being elevated, but a sense of calmness.
And then the other thing that you can do affirmations so you can remind yourself I can hear this and still be enough.
I can receive feedback in order to grow.
So identifying a couple of affirmations that will help you get grounded, but.
Speaker 3Then also.
Speaker 2Separating your identity from the behavior that's being discussed.
That behavior does not define you.
That behavior is not the totality of who you are.
And so it's important to remember those things.
Speaker 1And I love that we're touching on this because I think sometimes when you get feedback, depending on not everyone is this way, Because I know some people they get feedback, they have a whole different reaction and they don't give it up.
They're just like, I don't care, I don't do that.
That's not true.
And some of us we do.
We may beat ourselves up a little bit right based on what the feedback is it's easy to kind of go into the spiraling based on what that is.
And so I love that recovering this And I think another thing to keep in mind, like you were saying, doms that doesn't define your worth.
It literally is highlighting the next opportunity for you to grow right.
And like you said, separating who I am from what I did is a skill that keeps us coachable so that we can take the feedback and realize, like this doesn't define me.
And I wanted to also circle back to something else, Tom, you mentioned constructive feedback versus criticism.
I feel like there was a time where we would use criticism a lot in feedback conversations, and then it changed, maybe years back, it changed to more constructive feedback, especially when I think about being in corporate and we'd have performance reviews.
Sometimes there was language around criticism versus constructive feedback.
And I think that constructive feedback it does.
It's usually more specific, like you said, it has examples.
It's more based on the behavior, and it helps to improve, and it's also grounded in care, whereas criticism often vague.
It's focused on faults and it can feel like an attack of your person, right like, it feels like, well, damn like, it just feels kind of You can sense sometimes when something said and a nasty and mean or it's like you you've said that because you were trying to make me feel a certain way, right Like, you can sense that, So I think it's important to remember that as well.
And then just a couple quick questions that you can think about as you are kind of in this self soothing space.
You can hold on one second month there, Okay, cool, I got the question.
So we talked about in the affirmation, so getting clear on what your specific affirmation is, right, what's one affirmation that you can remind yourself of to remind yourself that you're still enough and you gave a great one dom And the other one could be just understanding what is your like having your own self self soothing toolkit, because we all have different things that make us feel okay.
I know there are some people who love to meditate or who love to work out, and the other people are like, I don't need to do that.
I want to do I want to go for a drive.
Right, So, understanding like what is in your self soothing toolbox so that you can kind of refer to that when these moments do come up, because chances are, as we keep living, we're going to get feedback from somebody, so might as well prepare in advance.
Speaker 2Yes, So then that takes us to this next phase of this journey of feedback seeking support.
All right, So I'm sticking with my example of.
Speaker 1My nieces, and.
Speaker 2In this particular example, I didn't feel the need to seek support.
However, if I if I found myself in a space where I needed support, then chances are I'm seeking support if I receive this feedback and maybe one I don't agree with it, or two I'm still unclear after getting some clarity from them, or three I am feeling soft and tender and maybe hurt.
Hell, maybe I got all maybe I got clarifying information and I'm pissed off, right like I'm still I've tried myself soothing and I'm still having an emotional reaction, or for I am unsure of what to do next, like I've gotten like I said, got the clarity, and I don't know what to do.
So then this is when you seek support.
Speaker 4Right.
Speaker 2So support could mean that you find a therapist or a coach, So you're seeking someone who has the particular skill set to address whatever the feedback was.
Speaker 3That you received, Right, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2It's to the level that you need mediation.
So perhaps it's something financial.
So maybe you receive feedback from your child about how you all are managing property that you own together, and your child is like, I'm ready to sell and you're like, nah, no, we're not, and it's in both of your names.
Maybe that's when you might need to bring in a mediator.
Or perhaps it's a conversation that you got this feedback and you know that in order to respond based on what your perspective is and what you want to say in return, it may be beneficial to have a third party there to help neutralize how things get communicated between you.
Speaker 1That is a good one.
Speaker 2Maybe you talk to a trusted family member or friend, someone that you know can offer some sound unbiased to this and thick hand because if it's a friend or family member, they're not completely objective but to but you trust what they will offer you.
Or if this is your preference and your typical go to a spiritual or community leader so you know that what they tend to offer you is an additional level of grounding.
That you need.
The key to remember here as you're seeking support is that support is not the same thing as a yes person or that amen chorus.
Your your support is one who can give you that honest insight like, well, yeah, girl, you wasn't keeping no secrets from them children, like no wonder they no wonder they're giving they're giving you that feedback because about time they gave you that feedback because you ain't you been, ain't doing right by.
Speaker 1Them, damn and so and and and it may suck for you to hear this, but I mean the kids was right.
Speaker 2So what you're gonna do about it?
Like, I know it, I know it hurts.
I know, But what you're gonna do about it now?
Because you want you want to keep that relationship with them?
Yeah all right, well let's figure out how to do that, how to better keep those children's secrets.
Speaker 1Mm hm oh girl.
And I think another thing to keep in mind here is that there may be levels to your support process, right, so you know how, sometimes something happens and you're like fuck that.
I don't want no solutions right now.
I want to talk to someone invent Okay, I just want to invent to somebody and you might call off that person and maybe this is the guest person, right, but you call them up and the purpose of that is to get it out of your system and to vent to the person who you know, what's gonna listen, black girl, you damn right.
They are very tripping because you kept my secret and whatever it might be.
Right, So you have your venting person, and then usually after the venting, at least for me, then I get into the more like, okay, let's be action oriented, and then you might have another level of support where this is where you're getting into Okay, what was true?
What can I actually identify from what they shared with me as the truth?
Speaker 2Right?
Speaker 1And then you process that with that person.
And also, you know, not every sounding board is going to help you hear the truth.
So that is really I love that you said a trusted source because sometimes I've known some people.
I'm trying, I'm trying to figure how I want to work this, but some people who they'll go to certain folks who have a vested interest in a certain outcome, so they're not they're not unbiased, right, and so they're leading this person to do something specific based on what they want them to do.
So it is important to be mindful of who you're choosing to support you.
And this could be, like you said, individual support or collective support with you and the person who's giving you feedback.
So let's get into this is our second to last one, processing and implementing feedback steps.
Ago we talked about how you're collecting feedback you're getting curious about, Well, give me some examples of when I did X, Y Z right and how would you like me to show up?
So when it comes to processing and implementing the feedback, this is when you really sit with what was shared and you give yourself permission to step away and really think about it.
What was objectively right?
That's the goal to do objectively from what they shared, what is actually true?
Right.
Sometimes it's a little fluff, right, Sometimes people put a little extra on it, and you're like, all right, this right here, Like I heard what they said, but we're gonna put this over word.
Yeah, yeah, that was that wasn't real.
That wasn't real, Okay.
And I'm thinking of a like a it might be a simple or silly example, but I'm thinking about if your child is coming to you with feedback about their bedtime, for instance, right, and maybe you spoke to them a certain way, and maybe you could change the tone up right, but the bedtime is not going to change to the bedtime part.
Okay, we heard, we heard the feedback, but we're not we're not changing, We're not implementing that particular feedback.
But I will work on my approach.
That could be an example.
And this is also where you could potentially journal or a voice note to explore again what's true here?
What can I take action on?
What's not mine to carry?
That is a very important one as well.
Yes, it's not mine to carry.
Right, Let's sit with that for a second.
We're going to add something to that.
Speaker 2Really, Yes, I was going to go with your example of the child not you know, in the bedtime, right, and the child even feedback about the bedtime, it's not yours to carry that.
The child doesn't like that bedtime, that's not the fact that they don't.
Them not liking their bedtime is not.
Speaker 3Yours to hold.
Speaker 2Yeah, Like their feelings about bedtime is for them to hold.
Yep, you as a parent might help them navigate those feelings, but their feelings are not yours to hold.
Speaker 1This is true and It's so important to make that distinction so we don't get caught up in oh, whatever they said, whatever they gave me feedback, and I have to implement every right, all feedback doesn't need to be implemented.
And the other thing is, even though small changes based on feedback can have big ripple effects, and following up after implementing the feedback can also show growth and build trust.
I remember this is probably at this point, like thirteen years ago and my previous relationship.
My partner used to give me feedback about my communication.
And the thing about it is I would communicate.
I could communicate well with my friends and with people, you know, colleagues, But when we got because of the dynamic and you know, how conversations were going at this time, I was like, no, Like I was not a very good communicator in that particular time in my life in that season, and I had a habit of interrupting him and I wouldn't take responsibility for things that I did.
And what I learned over time is that was a pattern.
And as we began to progress in our relationship, we would often have disagreements about these certain things that would come up for both of us and then to a point where I was like, Okay, wait a minute, I'm getting this feedback.
I want to grow and develop.
It can't just come up every time we have a disagreement.
I need to start doing something to implement the feedback.
So I began to take it seriously.
I wrote it down.
I wrote down ways that I could do better.
Right, so instead of interrupting, what I started doing is when we have these deep discussions, I would get a note pad and I would write down my thoughts to prevent me from interrupting.
So I'm still listening, but I'm also jotting down quickly, Okay, this is what I want to say next because the thought came up.
I don't want to lose it.
But I also don't want to interrupt.
So there were actually things that I had to do, actions I had to take to show that this is important to me, This relationship is important, and I want to be better in communicating.
And when I tell you that my communication has grown so much through those efforts that I took.
But it starts with being aware and then actually doing the work.
Speaker 2Yes, I love that, like having the awareness and then implementing, yeah, the strategies to actually make the necessary change, right, And so I think it's important within that too.
When you are trying to implement, you've processed all the you process all the feedback, you've sought counsel on.
Okay, well what do I do with this information?
And going back to our quote of the day, sometimes it's you receive feedback and in order to make long lasting change, it's gonna take multiple steps.
You don't have to implement all of those steps right away.
If it feels overwhelming, you can slow that process down.
The key with that is to circle back to the person who gave you the feedback, let them know about the changes you are hoping to make, and then ask for patients as you try to implement the changes.
Because the thing that we all know is that change is hard, and you may there may be five steps in the process.
You might get all five steps down and then six months later you find yourself for getting all of those changes that you said you were going to make and you backslide.
It doesn't mean that all is lost.
You acknowledge that you messed up, you take accountability, and you run through those steps again.
Now, this last piece, this is the one that I think people will struggle with the most What do you do when you disagree with the feedback?
So that person that you love and respect has share that feedback with you, and your initial reaction was that's some bullshit, And you went and you saw counsel, and you saw multiple council because again, you want to make sure that you're not you weren't getting that amen chorus, and everybody else was like, nah, we don't agree with that either.
How do you handle that well in the moment, you take some deep breaths because the nah, that's some bullshit is not going to get you anywhere in your relationship with that person.
Right.
Speaker 3So the one thing that you can say is.
Speaker 2I didn't experience it that way, but I really appreciate you sharing your perspective with me.
And I'm gonna say that one one more time because I know that that's not one that easily rolls off our tone.
I didn't experience it that way, but I really appreciate you sharing your perspective with me.
Now that particular statement, saying it.
Speaker 1That way.
Speaker 3Is helpful.
Speaker 2Because you're letting them know one that you don't agree.
That's the kind way of saying that you don't agree without invalidating what they experienced, and that's the key.
When you are engaging in uncomfortable, difficult dialogue, conversation, interaction, the key to keep it from escalating into something worse is to make sure that you honor where you are and acknowledge what they are saying, because at the end of the day, every single one of us wants to be seen, heard and valued.
And when you hit them right out the gate with nah, that's some bullshit.
I don't agree with nothing you just said.
Speaker 5Now you're telling them that you don't see them, you don't hear them, and you don't value what they share with you, and that is what leads to the conflict.
Speaker 1Okay, So when you first went into this, I thought of an example.
I can't get too many details, but I think I may have shared this with you offline, but oh, this one.
So disagreement doesn't mean and doesn't have to mean disrespect.
Right, there was a situation.
All I'm going to say is someone thought that I was being malicious in something that I said to them, and that almost lost my shit because I was like, you have got to be kidding me, because literally I don't even move that way.
That's not like, that's not my vibe and my spirit.
I don't go around doing something.
Speaker 2I remember what you're talking about, and yes that yeah.
Speaker 1And so I think another thing to keep in mind is that sometimes now I know we're talking about, you know, the parent child dynamic, but shoot, sometimes if you got grown kids, sometimes it happens too.
Sometimes people can be manipulative, right, and they can present gaslight, present something that may not be the case.
But the other thing to remember is we it's okay to disagree with people, right, And sometimes feedback says more about the other person's lens than your reality, right, So all feedback is in fact, sometimes it's literally a reflection of how they see the world, how they experienced it whatever, whatever glasses or lens they're looking at, it may be tanked it, right, and so it shows up in a certain way.
And so I think that what was powerful for me in that moment dom where the person I was talking to thought that I had malicious intent when I did not, It was still important for us to have the conversation.
And so this was one of those situations where I used the I hear you and I see how you got there.
That was not my intention, although it may have been the impact, And I think that something like that can be really helpful because a lot of times our intentions it will not match the impact just because humans were all different, right, We'll all come from different vantage points, and so that's something else to keep in mind as well when you disagree.
But again, especially if you want to maintain the relationship, it's important to let the person know that they are seeing they're heard.
Did you say valued?
Speaker 2Yes?
Speaker 1Okay, I guess we'll value them as well, so yes, yes, yes, sure.
Speaker 2I think the thing too to remember, particularly from this perspective of you are the parents receiving the feedback.
I'm a firm believer that if you are, if you are the elder in that situation, yeah, it is your responsibility to show up with more maturity and more space and grace for what that person is coming to you with.
Speaker 3Right now, let me.
Speaker 2Be clear, I am not that is that is not an excuse for abuse, okay, But as the parents or the elder it I stand on it is your responsibility to be to take care of two parents that person, no matter their age.
So you could be eighty five and your sixty year old child is coming to you with remember fifty years ago.
Hold space for that.
Again, you don't have to agree with it, but hold space because at the end of the day, no matter how old you are, they're still your child.
Speaker 1I'm glad you made that distinction down that this is because I can hear people now, well, this person's a narcissist, they're abusive.
We're not talking about those situations.
Those are definitely extreme situations where an outside support person should ideally be involved.
And we're not saying to put up with any abuse.
This is for a different scenario.
So I'm glad that you brought that up.
Another thing to keep in mind is that a lot of us were not taught the skills to handle right difficult conversations receive feedback.
So another thing you can do is seek out tools, books, podcasts, articles, seek out resources so that you can develop yourself and your skill set so that you can hold space for those things because a lot of us, especially I think about the older generation, like my parents and grandparents, like that age group, and we weren't taught.
We were supposed to be seen, not heard, and you're not allowed to have had no feedback.
So I think for many of us, we're in a new era now, and so we may have to up level our tooling and our resources so that we can hold space for some of these difficult conversations that or other generations did not have the privilege or luxury to discuss.
Speaker 2I love that that is a great reminder now, lady, as you're listening today, we talked about what to do how to navigate being on the receiving end of feedback as the parent, the elder, the caregiver.
Stay tuned for a part two where we talk about how you can deliver that feedback in a way that is healthy and helps the relationship not harms it.
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