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Tonight, we're going into the spiritual realm.

How can we communicate with those on the other side.

Author researcher experiencer Michael mccadams is going to be with us momentarily.

Then in our number three Swamp Dweller, we'll kick things off.

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Michael mccadams is a lifelong seeker of truth who has felt a strong sense of destiny and purpose from an early age.

Raised in a Pentecostal church and influenced by his uncle, fiery preacher John W.

Sullivan, Michael's journey has always been guided by a deep desire for spiritual understanding rather than religious dogma.

With an open mind and receptive mind, he has decided his life to or dedicated rather his life to receiving high guidance and translating those insights into wisdom meant to help and uplift others.

Guided by the belief that when the student is ready, a teacher will appear, Michael's path has consistently aligned himself with influential teachers, books, and transformative immertent experiences that has shaped his ongoing spiritual growth right through life.

Alongside the Bible, the Urantia Book has played a significant role in his personal studies.

Michael is also the author of Spiritual Parchment Prince, a collection of inspired writings available through his website spirit speaks dot com.

So let's go check him on out.

Michael mccadams.

Welcome to spaced Out Radio for the first time.

My friend, how are you.

Hello, Dave?

Thank you for having me.

I am fine, and I am amazed at your chat room.

You have people from all.

Over the world, literally literally all over the world.

That's why we tell everybody in our radio land and our social media, I just come hang out.

It's a lot of fun.

You never know where you're gonna get.

I actually have a pin pin board of map of the world of where we have listeners that have come into our chat room, and I think we're at like twenty five countries or something like that.

Wow, it's pretty cool.

It is pretty cool.

Well, thank you for coming on in, and we appreciate you joining us to talk about what it's like to contact the spiritual realm.

Let's go back in time a little bit here, Michael, and how did this all begin for you?

Well, I was, like you had said, brought up with the foundation of faith, church based, Bible based.

My mother was extremely religious, daily reader of her Bible.

Her mother pastored a small Pentecostal church just north of Cincinnati in Ohio, and my uncle John W.

Sullivan, fiery Pentecostal preacher and he founded churches in Florida, Kentucky, and Ohio.

And so that was my upbringing.

But even when I was young, I had questions.

I would sit in church, you know, in the in the pew, two or three rows back and listen to descriptions of heaven and hell, and I'm ten eleven years old, and it just didn't seem to sit right.

It just didn't feel right that we would go to heaven for all eternity or go to the bad place for ever never with no chance for reprieve, for a do over.

And a lot of us as we get older, we become more spiritual than religious.

And as a seeker, a seeker will attract to you a book, a movie, an event, and that will carry you, assign you, allow you to find whatever it is that you're supposed to find to carry you on the next step on your path.

And that is my journey.

That's what I have done for most all of my life.

Now, as you grew up, when did you figure out what your turning point was where you said, you know what, this isn't for me.

I need to go on my own journey.

What was that turning point?

That was probably early twenties I spent two years in Germany in the army and had gotten out of the army.

But I was always interested in spiritual information, psychics, that sort of thing, and there were a number of psychic fairs and events that I would go to.

Eventually I joined a group in Cincinnati called Psychic World, and I had a table there and I did psychic readings and I was able to do what they call psychometry old rings, watches, keys, anything that carries a person's vibration.

And I had a legal tablet and they would, you know, individuals would sit down at my table.

I wouldn't pump them for information, engage them then engage them in conversation, just ask their first name.

They would give me something to hold and I would just relax my mind and I would start to get a message for them, sometimes full page, page and a half.

When it got to the end, it would stop.

I would read it to them.

Sometimes they would cry, and it was more confirmation as to what they were going through rather than actual prophecy.

And I believe that we're all given this inate ability to receive, and that information that I was being given was not coming from me, It was coming from their spirit.

Guides, their spirit teachers, and we're all capable of receiving in that same manner.

The messages that you were looking for, they weren't in scripture, they weren't in any type of biblical teaching.

How did you find your path to not only you know your own spiritual world, but to learn that you had intuitive abilities as well well.

Again, I believe that we're all born with this inate ability to receive and the spiritual realm, these spirit guide spirit teachers, which are the same thing as angels, just viewed from a different perspective.

They exist in a spiritual realm that is adjacent to this physical plane.

Those with the foundation of faith would consider the spiritual realm to be heaven.

But I believe the spiritual realm is much more than just a place called heaven, and it's just as incomprehensibly vast as this physical plane where that we're on, this physical universe seven thousand light years away.

The James Webb telescope is photographing galaxies and here we are out on the outer edge of the Milky Way galaxy.

Third Rock from the Sun.

I was like that TV show, and we are capable of receiving from the spiritual realm, the teachers, the spirit guides, ascendant masters that are available to us.

All we need to do is recognize their existence.

How did you find your spirit guides?

Again?

I was, you know, because of my foundation of faith, I was continually taught about angels and the book an Angel told me so.

This collection of messages and teachings dictated directly from spirit teachers from the other side, dictated through my mother, Wilma Jean Jones, over a period of twenty two years.

There's going to be three volumes in the series.

Now.

Many of these messages and teachings are signed with the name of the spirit teacher that presented the message, and these spirit teachers repeatedly refer to themselves in these messages in first person.

We feel, we believe we advise our view encompasses more than your view is permitted.

One line in a message said, we hear the spirit cries above the words you speak.

Who talks like that?

I don't talk like that?

So I'm really just the messenger as far as these messages and teachings go.

But I also have received messages, teachings, writings myself.

But the messages and teachings that my mother received over this twenty two year period is an amazing body of material.

Out of the messages you received early on, what stuck with you and became a life mantra.

Well, the message, the messages themselves are just so extremely personal.

And these spirit teachers again repeatedly refer to themselves in first person.

But Volume one was pretty much all personal messages to my mother and to me.

She would be led to sit down and receive and receive a message from her spirit teachers addressed to her.

Then she would receive a message addressed to me from my spirit teachers.

But it's like these messages and teachings are woven with a universal thread.

And everyone who has read these messages have said, well, this sounds like what I'm dealing with.

This sounds like they're talking to me.

And I tell people, I say, when you get the book, read each message once as it was given for my mother and given for me.

Then read that same message again as if it's being presented for you, and see what hits.

It's amazing what hits?

So the first time you tried it, what hit?

Well, it's not a question of really trying.

And a lot of people they are not really.

You know, people with a foundation of faith, they're fearful.

They say, well, I want to receive, but I want to make sure that no negativity or anything comes in.

And an incoming thought, anything that comes in from your spirit guides or spirit teachers.

It sounds like a thought in your own mind, but it has a different feel.

It's a subtle difference, but once you can recognize it, it really is amazing the information that is being shared.

You're driving down the road and a thought comes into your mind and it says, i'd slow down up ahead if I were you.

Now, where does that come from?

That's happened to me?

And you lift off the gas, you slow down a bit, top little rise, there sets a state highway patrol, or you're approaching an intersection and you slowly and you didn't get hit by that dump truck that ran the red light.

Our spirit teachers are looking out for us.

Their joy is in our recognition of their existence, and we each have our own spirit guide, spirit teachers, guardian angels, if that's your perspective, and they are real, they really exist in the spiritual realm.

Are you one to have the ability to talk to your spirit guides at any time and have open communication.

It's not so much a conversation as just being available to whatever they want to share.

And depending on what we're dealing with information you know, our car problems, family issues, that sort of thing, the spirit teachers are there to guide us and help us along our way.

Now we have that pesky little gift called free will, and we can accept or reject any vice.

Guidance, direction is support that we're given.

So when you're communicating with your spirit guides or spirit teachers, unless you have a particular request and then you just need to wait and see how it turns out.

You may not get an answer right then and there.

But it's not so much a conversation as a continually continual presence, knowing that whatever needs that you have will be you know, the advice will be given and your direction will be guided.

And then as you accept that advice, you gain confidence in the information that's being shared.

So many people have troubles opening up to their own spirit guides and their own spiritual realm.

How do you adjust your conversation to make it more acceptable and understanding for people who may not be in belief that they have this.

Well, if you read these messages and teachings, and you hear how these spirit teachers speak.

That gives you the confidence to recognize your own spirit teachers.

But one of the things that I believe alleviates the fear that people have about receiving or opening their mind is I tell people that the best thing that you can do is establish a filter an aura of protection around your thought system.

We each have our own personal thought system, like a little mini solar system swirling around in our minds, and we can accept or reject an advice, guidance direction that we're given.

And one of the best ways to protect your mind and only allow positive information to flow into it from our spirit teachers is with an affirmation.

And a number of people may have their own affirmations.

One that I was given years ago, so long ago, I don't remember when I didn't have it, and it said, let no thoughts, ideas, or information be made known to my mind that does not come from God or his direct representatives.

And let that affirmation protect you from anything negative that would flow into your mind.

And if anything negative does slip through, you can simply discard it out into the farthest reaches of the universe.

Because it has no effect on your thought system.

Tapping into one's spirituality and consciousness can be a life altering decision when you went full in trying to make yourself more spiritually sound.

How long has the journey gone or is it a continually ever evolving process.

It is continual.

It is a continuing process.

But once you allow yourself to recognize that information is available, I mean, we still have choices and decisions that we make on a daily basis, and being connected with your spirit teachers, spirit guides doesn't mean you're not going to have car trouble or issues with your family.

We still have, you know, a living to make and a life to lead, and we don't really know why we've been assigned to this particular journey.

And I believe that we are assigned to a certain set of parents and a certain social station for whatever it is that we're supposed to learn in this lifetime.

What have you learned?

Patience?

That just came into my mind one of the things I believe and I used to be when I was younger, I was extremely impatient.

There was someone one time said I want enlightenment, I want it right now, and you just can't be that you can't have that mindset, so you need to be patient.

And on my website spirit speaks dot Com it says for all sincere seekers of truth and then it says, when the student is ready, a teacher will appear.

And for me that has been extremely applicable all my life as a seeker.

For those who really want to know, that vibration that you send out with your mind will allow you to be led to an event, a book, a movie, a speaker, and it will guide you and allow you to take the next step for whatever it is you're ready to learn and know.

In life.

Who has been your greatest teacher?

Tell me about that person.

It's really been a collaboration, not I can't really name any one particular teacher.

I feel fortunate to have been brought up in the Pentecostal Church with a church based, Bible based foundation.

I believe that gave me a foundation to build on.

One of the great things about a foundation of faith is that foundation gives you something to build on.

Ben I don't do a whole lot on Facebook, but recently I saw a post and it said, I don't want to just believe, I want to know, and I believe that's the mindset that a lot of people are coming to today.

We've been told to believe, just have faith for two thousand years, and people now are ready to know, really know what is on the other side, why we're here, why we've been given this opportunity to live in these physical bodies.

And look at the children born to Bill Gates Steven Spielberg that want for nothing.

Granted they'll have their challenges, but that kind of wealth and connection may all the difference in the world.

And then look at the children born to abusive parents, drug addicted fathers, alcoholic mothers.

I mean, you could be born in China, North Korea, any place on this planet that you could be born into for whatever it is that you're supposed to learn in this lifetime.

There is an outstanding movie that I recommend.

Did you ever see or hear of the movie called Defending Your Life?

No.

It has Albert Brooks and Meryl Streep in it.

Older movie.

It's an outstanding movie that gives a perspective of what happens when you cross over and we exist in these physical bodies.

I tell people there is no death.

We never really die, it's just graduation.

We ride around in these bodies the way we ride around in our cars.

These bodies are just a vehicle to negotiate this physical plane.

And once your body wears out, or you may be take and younger, in an accident, or for health reasons, you just simply step away.

Your spiritual being, your inner spiritual self, your consciousness, will just simply step out of this physical body.

You may glance back and say thank you for the ride, or thanks for being such a good vehicle, and then you will step into the spiritual realm and then take that next step in your journey.

Okay, So that is something as we got about two and a half minutes to go here before we go to break, that is something that I have struggled with mightily with my own spirituality, that there are lessons to be learned by being put in horrific situations in one's lifetime, whether it's somebody being kidnapped, or somebody living in North Korea, or somebody born to addicted parents, or even you know, being born with horrible diseases like cancer or anything.

And you know, I can tell you right now that when I have my coffee or tea with God, you know, when I get up there hopefully I make it okay.

I want to be able to have that conversation just say why, because I don't.

I don't really believe, and this is just personal and I'm sure there's a lot of other people who think like me or and think differently.

I don't believe that coming here and being a three year old getting the snot beaten out of you is a life spiritual lesson.

Oh I agree.

I agree.

We don't really know.

Again, we're not allowed to know.

We're not allowed to remember what we may have been in a previous life if you're open to reincarnation.

But I believe that we incarnate into these physical bodies for whatever it is lessons experiences that we're supposed to learn, and we don't really know why, and we're not allowed to remember, and we won't really find out until we cross over and go to an evaluation center.

Look at how we lived our lives, what we could have done better, how we treated people.

I believe this is a temporary existence, and once we get back from your break, I'll share some additional information with you on a lady that I knew who had her definite opinion on heaven and I shared mind between heaven and hell, and it was very interesting.

Well, it is something that I think a lot of people you know, wonder about, because I can tell you right now that if I have to come back and be something in a horrible situation, I'm going to check out quick.

You know what I'm saying.

You know, I don't want to do that.

That just doesn't seem like fun.

And yeah, the world is a difficult place.

I don't like a lot of the world right now.

It's really upsetting me.

And it's funny Like twenty years ago, I didn't care.

I didn't care until I started opening up myself, but otherwise I really truly did not care about it.

And now opening my eyes, I just even recently, I can't even watch certain reels anymore on Facebook or YouTube because it just disappoints me so much.

Michael mccadams is our guest tonight on spaced Out Radio his website spirit speaks dot com.

We're going to continue with how to connect with your spiritual self when we return for the second half hours.

Stay tuned, everybody all right where you're clear.

We got four and a half minutes fun times, good start.

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Yes, yes, I'm gonna step away real quick.

I'm just gonna turn my thermostat down a degree.

Not a problem, be right right, all right?

Woo pooh?

How are you nice to see you?

Trace B?

How are you, my dear?

Is it trace or trace E or trace B or track ebb?

Are you track EBB?

Track ebb?

Bobert?

How are you good to have the bobert here?

Lisa Smith?

Oh, it's Lisa's birthday today.

Look at that.

Okay, so let's trace like you're tracing something.

Happy birthday to you, Lisa Smith.

Happy birthday to you, Lisa Smith.

Happy birthday, dear Lisa Smith, because it's your birthday.

Happy birthday Lisa Smith to you, Lisa Smith, Happy birthday, my dear.

From all of us.

It's faced out radio there he is.

How you doing, my bud, Michael?

How you doing?

I'm fine?

Good esay.

I don't have a reindeer slay.

I'm too young to be Santa Claus.

Guys.

I might have to die my beard at Christmas time just so I don't get called Santa.

Maybe that's what I'm gonna do.

Maybe that's my goal for twenty twenty six.

Dye my beard my listeners because I sing Happy Birthday to my listeners when they post in that it's their birthday.

So I imagine they appreciate that.

I think they do.

Gorgeous, Larry, how are you?

We got about two and a half minutes here, M right, Itchy News, two minutes to go.

Do you have spiritual, spiritual and psychic affairs in Canada?

There?

Yeah, mainly near Vancouver.

I don't usually go to those.

Some are better than others.

There's a company called body Mind Spirit.

They do shows all over the United States.

But some of them are better than others.

It just depends on the caliber.

There is a community in New York, Western New York called Lilydale.

Oh wow.

It's the world's oldest and largest community of spirit mediums and readers.

Oh nice.

And I can tell you there was an HBO did a documentary on Lilydale.

I could share it during the show, or I could share it just with you.

And I know all the mediums in that documentary.

I've done presentations in Lilydale, and they have my book at the bookstore there.

Very nice.

You can watch that HBO documentary for free on YouTube.

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Here we go.

Michael McAdams is here his website.

You want to check it on out spirit speaks dot com.

That's spirit speaks dot com.

Michael, thank you so much for joining us.

Well, thank you again for having me, Dave.

You got a book out, tell us about it.

I do.

The book is titled An Angel Told Me So.

This book is the first of three volumes of a collection of messages and teachings dictated directly from spirit teachers on the other side, dictated word for word through my mother.

So I know the source, and she received these messages and teachings for twenty two years.

And that is the book.

What are those messages?

What are those messages?

What are they like?

It's they speak like you've never even heard.

I'm just amazed.

And I've been involved in spiritual material for thirty years.

And just as an example, Wilma Jean, my mother, she had been receiving these messages in teachings for probably close to ten years.

I was the one that said this is too deep, too profound, too applicable to everyone that reads them, and that these really need to be released and put in a book.

And she wasn't sure some of the messages were personal.

She went through a divorce.

I've gone through a divorce.

And she was working around the kitchen one day and these words started to come into her mind.

She knew it was incoming.

She picked up pen and paper.

She had beautiful handwriting, and she wrote this message out in Longhand.

And this was a message that she felt was confirmation she should put these messages and teachings in a book.

She had been praying about it.

May I share this message with you and your audience.

I would love you too.

So this is what she received.

Emptiness is part of fulfillment.

Let your resources fill the void left so that distinction of your purpose can be found.

Expression is always self explanatory.

Therefore, look inside and anchor all your beliefs, beside those still waters that will take away your troubled view and renew your strength to recapture that which was lost but is now found to be adequate to pursue the course set before you, and as you reconcile your being to represent those qualities that have been left intact, God will see to it that all those circumstances have been trying to say the least, your weariness will disappear as clouds once removed, allow the sun to shine, to dispel the gloom and darkness that has pervaded your countenance, and is once described before.

A token to this presence will be deposited to your account and books recorded in His name.

That sounds very very lack of a better term, religious and scripture.

Like these messages and teachings, they do reference God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

And I've had people ask they say, well, is that because Uoma Gene was brought up with such a foundation of faith or are they really speaking from the heart and from a position of knowledge in the spiritual realm which does include God, Jesus in the Holy Spirit.

We won't find out for sure, and we get to cross over.

But these messages and teachings are extremely personal and they do encompass all those references.

I get that, I get, I can totally see that.

I mean, it's a very magical type of message that you're receiving there from that?

Are you channeling that as it goes?

Is that what's happening you mean the way that Wilma Jane received.

Yes, Actually it was not channeling.

I'm sure for those who may not are familiar with channeling, she wasn't channeling and she wasn't doing automatic writing.

When she was led to sit down in these dedicated sessions.

She had set up an electric typewriter in her kitchen and she would be led in her mind, we have a message for you, and she would go in and sit down, light a candle, say a prayer as for protection because you are opening your mind, and she would see three or four words float into her mind and hang there.

They would not go away until she type them.

Once she typed those three or four words, they would just fade away and three or four more would show up.

That's how she got these messages, full page, single space, typed many times with no paragraphs that she was taking dictation, and many of the messages and teachings were signed with the name of the spirit teacher that presented the message.

How do you then know that that is a real message you're getting?

How do you know that this is spirit talking to you and not just what your mind is conjuring up, for something beautiful to trust and rely upon.

These messages are so deep and profound that I don't think anyone on this side of the spiritual realm could come up with messages like this, and they're so applicable everyone that reads them.

On my website spirit speaks dot com, there's tabs at the top left bio for me, bio for my mother, and there's a tab for a television interview that she gave in Cincinnati.

You can click on that tab, scroll down watch her interview.

She's the pretty lady in white on the left.

Posted on her interview, I have added a message from volume two of the book, which is not out yet.

I'm looking for a new publisher.

And this was the only time in a session where she was led to sit down and receive Two different spirit teachers moved in in the same session, gave two different messages and signed two different names.

And it was obvious that the second teacher was a different teacher than the first because the whole cadence and phrasing of the message is different.

Now, this first teacher's message was just really little more than a long paragraph.

May I share this message with you and your audience, Please do so.

This was the first teacher's message.

There is a resurrection period through which man must travel in order to come into the realm of things.

Godlike you are to consume and digest all that is given here, as this comes from one highly qualified to meet the needs of this generation.

You are not the sole property of yourselves.

God still holds the everlasting command over your being, and in him must one take refuge.

You are to be considered as one who has been stripped of all belongings and left to die by the wayside.

In this manner, are you then open to any help that would be forthcoming.

You are, by your very nature ones who would depend on your own intellect to carry you through.

However, by giving of your soul into the hands of God, do you prosper and develop more freely to that which denies the outcome of some situations, knowing full well that it is the hand of God leading and directing you, so that you may arise victorious in the end.

There is never a time when you will be without the Father nor his ever loving approaches to see that you follow the path that directs you homeward.

Take note that we say homeward, As your heavenly father so resides in that vast, insurmountable environment of time and space, So shall ye abide and joint communication with him, by the grace with which he covers you, and by your ability to accept this grace and use it for your own development.

There are others here who wish to make themselves known to you, So I will step aside for this time.

My love and devotion follows you as you trod onward, but ever faithful to your goal.

And that message was signed your loving Gode.

Now that next of the last line made me sit up and take notice, and he says there are others here who wish to make themselves known to you.

My question is who are the others?

And where is here?

What do you mean there are others here?

Where are you in relation to us on this physical plane?

It's funny that in that statement that you read, I believe you used the word homeward or homebound, homeward homeward.

December thirteenth, twenty eleven.

I had an experience with my mother that kicked off this entire journey that ended up culminating with spaced out radio being being what it is today, and I saw the Angel of death in my mother's eyes.

And two hours after this incident, I channeled him.

I didn't know what channeling was, didn't know anything about it.

Was not into this whatsoever.

Hey, did I believe in ghosts and bigfoot in UFOs?

Yes?

I did, but that was from a far reaching side, you know, of minimalistic knowledge and interpretation.

But two hours after I saw the Angel of death in my mother's eyes, when I channeled him, he said to me, point blank or through me, he said, if you don't start sorry, it hits me sometimes.

If you don't start treating your mother with more love and respect, I'm going to take her home.

He didn't say heaven, didn't say hell.

All he said was I'm going to take her home.

That's interesting.

So when you said that, it resonated me.

It actually gave me goose because it's a confirmation that I don't know if there is a heaven or a hell.

I'm pretty sure there's a heaven.

I think the way the earth is going, and right now we probably live in hell, you know, but that could be metaphorically speaking as we speak, and I never get to use the word metaphorically, So I'm going to use it there right, But I don't know where this is, what is it?

What are we doing there?

You know, because if you go by the religious aspects, there are people who believe that you go up and you recognize you age back to around thirty to thirty five years old.

There are people who believe that when you go up there, you don't have a physical body walking around to your spirit with no face, no hair, no anything.

You have people who believe that dogs don't go to heaven, and yet you have people who believe they do.

So, I mean, there's so much confusion about what it is and where this spiritual realm is.

Is there a possibility that it's everything and not just one thing?

Well, Heaven and Hell is the ultimate carrot and stick, the ultimate carrot and stick, and the good place and the bad place that you go forever and ever for all eternity.

I knew a lady that had a son that was constantly getting into trouble, constantly from the time he was fourteen till he was twenty eight years old.

The money that they spent on fines and bail and attorneys, it was just a real nightmare and a hardship on their family.

She was extremely religious, brought up Baptist, went to church every Wednesday evening and Sunday, carried a Bible with her where she went.

She knew she was going to heaven, and she was aware of the spiritual material and the information that I was involved in, and that I had always really questioned heaven and hell as a place that we would go to forever for all eternity.

And I asked her one time, I said, is there anything that your son could do, anything at all, that would cause you not to want to give him another chance?

And she just put her head down and said no.

I said, what makes you think God loves us any less?

Do you really believe that we're going to be sentenced to any for all eternity, to eternal damnation and punishment because we were stupid, because we chose bad friends, had bad parents, were born into bad circumstances.

Or do you believe that we're going to be given another chance, a do over, a reprieve, and then look at the people living lives today all around this globe that you and I would consider to be hell on earth.

I saw a newsclip recently that they had found a guy dead on a street on the sidewalk int Los Angeles, still had the aluminum foil in his left hand that had the drugs in it that killed him.

They had called it into the police.

Nobody had picked up the body yet.

And who knows, I mean, the life that he led that led him to die on that sidewalk from drugs.

Who knows why?

They were all choices and decisions that he made.

He wasn't destined to die like that, He chose to by his choices and decisions.

So maybe that was his hell.

And then will he be given another chance?

I believe he will.

You know, do you want to live like that again?

Or did you learn a lesson?

And that's what we're here for, I believe, is to learn our lessons.

I agree with the lesson part.

I just don't know where that that actually goes, because Lord knows, I've been punched in the face a few times spiritually, my friend, I really have.

And we don't really know why.

You know, good bad things happen to good people.

And again, you know, we don't know why.

I mean, everything that we do is a product of our choices and decisions.

Even being in the wrong spot at the wrong time.

We you know, we chose to be there.

We don't know why we had to experience that or you know why we had to have that happen to us.

But everything that we go through, you know, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.

That is very true.

That is very very true.

Christ Uh make that as with Christ and the christ part of religion in this is there something powerful among that that allows communication more freely with spirit because religiously, if you are very christ Like, you're not supposed to try and connect the bi believe it speaks of false prophets and trying to communicate with those who have passed away.

I think that is a shame that it is that they were afraid of that back then.

I mean, look at the mindset of the people that Jesus walked with.

Jesus existed in the spiritual realm on the other side of this physical plane with God, and he incarnated into the body of the baby born to Joseph and Mary.

You know, Jesus said, as greater works as I do, and even greater works shall ye also do.

So if Jesus could incarnate into the body of that baby born to Joseph and Mary, why would we not believe that we are capable of the exact same thing.

We don't know.

But the people you know that Jesus has walked with and taught, taught and preached to, they could never have understood.

We're separated from this spiritual realm by a veil, a vibration, a frequency.

We don't really know what the medium is that separates us from this spiritual realm.

But the people that Jesus dealt with and taught, they could never have understood that concept.

They just didn't know.

So we'll, you know, we will eventually all find out.

We'll all get a chance to know, and I think many will be surprised.

But those with the foundation of faith, I believe they have an advantage because they're already communicating with the spiritual realm through prayer.

They're reaching out in thought with prayer, and when you reach out, you should expect an answer.

They said, Jesus answers all prayers.

Sometimes the answer is no, because they know what we need to have happen.

And it depends on what you ask for, and you just sometimes you know, you may ask for patience and then be given situations that cause you to be more patient, not just given the patience itself.

So we don't really know how it all works, and Earth could be a punishment planet for all we know.

See, that's what I'm starting to believe, is that Earth is a punishment planet because it's it's getting so difficult out there for absolutely everybody, and it's turning people into really hating other people, and it's turning people into hermits because they don't want to deal with it.

Very nineteen eighty four or Wellian.

If you can, if you have a foundation of faith, I mean, that helps, but only because you believe that this life, this existence is temporary and you're going to eventually go to a good place forever and ever, my question is, and do what if you have no choices to make those decisions to make everything is provided, what do you How can you evolve?

How can you learn?

And you really think that you deserve to go to a place like that based on this blink of an eye existence?

And then again, you know, I don't really believe in hell because there's so many people living a life of hell right now, and it doesn't make any sense that, based on this blink of an eye existence, we would be punished for all eternity with no chance for a reprieve or a do over.

So again, we'll eventually all find out.

Are you a believer?

Then?

With three and a half minutes to go in Reincarnation, I.

Am, I am.

I believe that.

I mean, it just makes a lot of sense because there's so many people born into lives that have just been painful to live, not because they started out that way, but because of choices and decisions that they made.

That movie Defending Your Life that I talked about earlier, it's an older movie and it says the true story about what really happens when you die.

I highly recommend that.

And there's another movie called Always with Richard Dreyfus and Holly Hunter.

Both of those movies will give people a perspective of what happens when you cross over.

Have you ever had in near death experience?

I have not.

I have read a number of people that have, and some have seen, you know, various different, various things.

There's some that have seen heaven, they claim, but I believe that maybe more of a belief that you're going to see that when you cross over.

So for those people, maybe that's what they expect to see it so strongly that that's what they're allowed to see.

But I think it's interesting that people have the near death experience normally told it's not your time, you have other work to do, and their return to their consciousness is returned to their body to finish out their life, and that happens, Maybe that happens to certain people, to just give them that perspective.

And then for the people that they'll tell.

Their story to, what's the best story you've.

Heard regarding a near death experience.

Regarding just the consciousness keeping ongoing, whether it's a near death experience or somebody channeling it or having communication.

Well, these messages and teachings they repeatedly reference what almost like why we're here, what we're here for, not specific, but it's just amazing and it's such an amazing body of material.

And even I have received messages and teachings myself.

People say, well, you're my grandmother would receive sermons dictated to her mind and thought and even verses to songs.

And in the book An Angel Told Me So in the photo gallery, there are six verses that my grandmother received in thought lying in a hospital in Columbus, Ohio.

They didn't think she was going to make it, and she received these six verses, wrote them down, and those six verses will almost bring you to tears.

So I will share additional information when we get back from your next break.

I really appreciate that because I think the testimonial of people having these spiritual encounters, whether they're asking for them on their own or whether they are, you know, just coming naturally.

I think it's important for people to understand that it's not just imagination.

It's not just a voice in your head.

It's not schizophrenia.

It is a higher power that is trying to communicate with you to get you the message that you need.

And I think that's a fair assessment of it.

That's true, and it's so deep and profound that you can't help but believe that it's coming from a higher consciousness or spiritual realm, another dimension, if you will.

And that's the thing, you know, At first, I thought a lot of the messages I was getting was from just my imagination making it up.

It wasn't.

It wasn't When other people start confirming it, you know, so that's what makes it fun.

Michael mccadams is here today, on spaced Out Radio his website spirit speaks dot com.

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Our guest tonight is Michael mccadams.

He's an author, researcher, experiencer of talking to those in the spirit realm and guiding the messages that come from it.

His website is spirit Speaks dot com, where you can find his book.

An angel told me, so make sure you go get it.

Michael, thank you so much for being here tonight.

Well, thank you again, Dave, thanks for having me.

Absolutely, it's been a great time so far.

Now, tell us about the Urancia Book.

T Bone is one wanting to know because Edgar Casey potentially read.

That I am I'm a fan of Edgar Casey.

I'm in Dayton, Ohio, and Edgar Casey actually lived in Dayton, Ohio for a year and a half.

So yeah, the Urantia Book is interesting.

It's advanced material.

It's sponsored by a foundation out of Chicago called the Urantia Foundation.

Uranchia is their name for the Earth, so it's really the Earth Book.

It was transmitted through an individual in nineteen thirty five, first published in nineteen fifty five.

It's been translated into sixteen languages, over four million copies in print and it's you don't read the Ranchia Book like a novel.

It's just it's my light reading twenty one hundred and seven pages.

But you read it, you can just It's also available on their website, the Anchia website.

I need Chirantia dot org and you can read the whole book for free online.

But it's a difficult book to read off your computer monitor.

It's better to read it holding the book, and I recommend the hardback rather than the softback because it's larger.

But there's only four parts to the book, and the fourth part is a six hundred and fifty page section on Jesus.

It sounds like they were standing beside him with a microphone for thirty three years.

And the detail is amazing, and it agrees with the Bible about ninety eight percent.

Little twists on stories and stuff, but nothing to get upset over.

And it's just an amazing body of material.

So for those of us who do not know what the Urantia Book is, please give us a synopsis of it.

Well, it's the book.

It details the entire hierarchy of the spiritual realm and various levels, not only just spirit guide spirit teachers.

If you go to the book and look in the index.

The book is a series of papers that are numbered and titled, and out to the right of each paper is the author of that paper.

But these authors are not people.

They're celestial beings with various names, Ancient milkezdik a one, high end authority, Brilliant morning Star.

It's just it just it reads like they know exactly what they're talking about.

But it's a little deep and a little heavy for most people.

Again, not to be selfish, but I recommend these messages and teachings, and an angel told me so to lead people into being able to accept information like the Urania book.

But I was most interested again with my foundation of faith, reading this six hundred and fifty page section on the life and teachings of Jesus.

And it talks about who Jesus was before he came to the earth, and it talks about why he came, what he decided that his goals were going to be, how he chose the apostles.

It's just the detail is just beyond anything that most people have ever read.

How come from the majority of us, we've never heard of this.

It almost sounds like it's almost like the Book of Enoch where many people like everybody's heard of the Bible, but nobody understands that there's a missing book in the Book of Enoch.

That's true.

Again, when the student is ready, a teacher will appear and possibly you know, I was led.

I actually had a psychic who gave me a copy of this book years and years ago and she said, here, Michael, she said, you're ready for this.

So I had never heard of it before until it was presented to me, and I've tried to share it.

It's a link on my website spirit speaks dot com.

And again, you can read the whole book online for free.

And there are study groups all over the world, all over the country.

I'm sure there's groups in Canada and you can on their website.

You can go to study groups.

Put in your zip code and you can find groups that will read and talk about the Bible or the Urantia Book, kind of like Bible study where you read passages, talk about it, real intelligent group of people and you can make a really nice class of good friends with spiritual intent from that reader site.

How do you do this?

Like, when you're getting these messages, are they coming in telepathically.

Are they coming in through automatic writing?

Are they coming in through other ways?

Fill me in.

I don't receive really that many messages.

I have received a number of them, but the messages and teachings in the book an angel told me.

So, we're really all messages and teachings that my mother received via dictation over a period of twenty two years.

She received by seeing words and typing him down with the typewriter.

Anything that I have ever received, I receive in thought, just dictated to my mind and thought.

Okay, so she carried she carried the gift to you.

Then I was actually the one that got her involved in it.

First.

I believe that we all have this ability you can holiday gift, but I think it's just a natural inateability that we all have to be able to receive from our spirit guide, spirit teachers, angels.

Again, if that's your perspective.

When Wilma Jean I had talked about earlier, the message or the two spirit teachers moved in in the same session, and if I can finish up on that real quick, I read the first teacher's message that was signed your loving guide.

That guide moved out says there are others here who wish to make themselves known to you.

He moved out.

Another teacher moved in gave it a full page and a half single space type.

Now I won't read that entire message, but these messages and teachings always end with either a profound and deep last paragraph or a deep and meaningful last sentence.

So this second teacher moved in gave a page and a half.

But the last paragraph in his message is really profound and telling.

May I share this with you?

You and your audience, please do so.

This was the last paragraph in the second teacher's message.

You are not as sheep herded here and there, but you are likened into the lamb that has cared for individually, nourished and loved until the full and total development allows it to be master of itself.

So is man so kept and denied only those things that would not, in the long run, nourish his spirit.

God is all wise and loving in his dispensations.

We are not to judge the workings of our Father, nor are we to judge each other.

Work always to improve your own beings, or in the end time there lies your soul with all the nourishment that you have given it totally dependent upon the outcome of your intentions.

That message was signed your loving spiritual teacher.

Two different teachers, one signing their message your loving guide, the other signed your loving spiritual Teacher, which is beautiful.

I think it's just an amazing and relevant, just so relevant that there isn't anyone who can read these messages and teachings that will not identify with the material and the message being given.

It sounds so complicated, like when I listen to you speak, I guess I'm trying to figure out how you are doing it personally because I equate it to channeling.

But you're not channeling, You're receiving.

So are these being downloaded to you?

No, I'm actually reading excerpts from the book.

These are excerpts.

These are messages and teachings that my mother, Wilma Jean Jones received.

I get that, Okay, but for yourself, but for yourself, as you've moved forward, you've dictated this, but for yourself and your own spiritual process.

How is that working for you?

Well, I'd be happy I can share a message, an actual message that I received, dictated to my mind and thought.

When I was first looking for a publisher.

I was on a number of different publisher websites.

One of the websites asked questions about your work.

One of the questions was what makes your material unique?

Why would anyone want to read this great question?

And I was sitting where I'm sitting right now at my computer.

I didn't really even ask for an answer, but an answer started to be dictated to my mind.

It was twelve lines long.

I just typed it down and when it got to the end, it stopped.

I have read this answer to a number of hosts on the air, and more than one has teared up.

May I share this answer with you and your audience?

I would love you too.

Thank you.

So this is something that I receive.

The question was what makes your material unique?

And this is the answer that I was given.

The uniqueness of any material is in the manner in which it touches the soul.

An open and searching mind pulls the soul and the body in which it inhabits onward and upward with hunger and determination, in its quest for spiritual nourishment, Ever mindful that the path upon which we walk is the path toward God.

Lives, lived experiences, endured goals, accomplished and loved ones lost are all encounters upon that path.

Strive always for the highest possible communication with our heavenly Father.

Believe in yourself as the Father within you is guiding, leading, directing, and comforting you upon this journey that we call life.

Blessings be upon you as you walk your chosen pathway.

That's a beautiful message, and that was not me.

I take no credit for that.

I mean I probably could have come up with an answer, but nothing that deep and profound.

And we're all capable of receiving in this manner.

It may not be that deep to start out with.

It may be quiet, but it's normally advice, guidance, direction, support, and then depending on your again, your level and how far you've come and where you're at in your thought process depends on what you will receive.

As higher teachers start to move in and in these three volumes of an angel told me so, it was obvious that as the years went by this was received.

Over a twenty two year period, the three volumes, higher teachers started moving in the even deeper, longer, more profound teachings, longer messages, and in one of the messages that Wilma Jean received well.

The spirit teacher referenced higher teachers and he said that we felt like a he we we've received information from higher teachers and we in turn share it with you.

This spirit teacher acknowledged that they were receiving from even higher teachers than they were, and I thought that was interesting.

The guidance that you had to write this book from your mother's writings.

This had to affect you on a very personal and emotional level because you're tapping into somebody who you absolutely love and adore and who gave you life.

How has this process been for you in writing this out.

It's an honor for me to be able to share this information.

I feel that I am representing our heavenly father.

I'm representing my mother and all of her hard work, and representing the spirit guide.

Spirit teachers, master teachers that took their time and made the effort to reach out to Wilma Jean, my mother for twenty two years, and when she would be led to sit down in these dedicated sessions, it would take her three to four hours just receiving three, four or five words at a time.

It would take three to four hours for her to receive a message for her, and then a message for me, and again.

As the years went by, longer higher teachers started moving in, giving even deeper, more profound teachings, many times not necessary, times not necessarily addressed to Wilma, Jane or myself, but still to everyone that reads them.

The relevance is always there.

But you know, a lot of times when we get spiritual messages, they are they are they seem very vague, or they're they're defined as vague.

How do you build the message into an open hearted piece of knowledge?

From a lot of time, spirit will give you something very.

Vague, these messages and teachings in the books the three Volumes of an Angel told me, So these are extremely specific.

I mean, it's not vague.

And the teachings they mean what they say, They say what they mean, and they mean what they say.

And like the you know, the Bible is so open to interpretation.

I mean, you've got all these different religions, Methodist, Baptists, you know, Pentecostal, all based on one book.

And I'm just wondering if God isn't sitting somewhere saying this is not what I had in mind.

So and then you have pastors, various pastors that will take sections or passages from the Bible and read the passage and then give a twenty minute sermon on what it meant.

When I was in church, I got it the first time.

But that's what they do, and then they interpret that and try and apply it toward people's lives and what they're going through on a day to day basis.

These messages and teachings in the book are not like that.

They are specific.

There was a message and this is something that I just came across recently that I was really amazed at.

I had not thought about this.

This was a message from volume three of the book, just showing how much higher these teachers came through and the information that they shared.

May I share this message with you.

And your audience, please do?

We got five minutes.

So this was a message from volume three and they said, therefore, be diligent in your efforts here, as we seek to inform you of avenues of travel yet realized, and in order to propel you toward this goal, we must seek His intentions for your development in such a way that time is not wasted.

Always we encourage you toward His raiment of covering as blessed moments capture the essence of his being untold, perhaps still in his ability to conserve that which will be needed for events following his transcendence into the hearts that are hungry to be filled.

Whenever you are weary of events countering your abilities, realize he has his hand in yours.

And as surely as you are receiving now these words of enticement, know that all that has been given before thus needs be fulfilled before any type of inducement would take you way from His promises given.

Therefore, enter into a place of rest and confidence, for as we journey together, we will see that all else is put in order.

Also as a means of escape is reserved for those who seek His will for their lives and who are not dependent on any other source.

I mean, who talks like pet.

To this day, I am amazed at the depth and quality of these messages and teachings that these high teachers presented, dictated word for word.

Again, this wasn't channeling, This was an automatic writing.

They dictated this three and four words at a time.

And to carry a thought that profound and deep a message just three and four words at a time, it would be difficult, if not impossible, for you and I to explain a concept this deep just three and four words at a time, waiting for somebody to write it down.

There's a lot of humility in the messages that you are getting, because I think what it's what these messages, the just the ones that you have read off tonight, they seem a little humbling and that we have to take a little bit deeper thought inside of us, talk about that humility that we need to seek.

That is true and I have noticed that myself, that it almost presents a deep sense of reflection and it's something that makes people think, think about their lives, think about their intentions, think about possibly even why they're here, and what we may have to look forward to.

And it's a guidance more than anything else, guidance and direction.

I believe that gives us food for thought and then we make of it what we will.

Does that work for a lot of people though, because ego does get in the way.

You can't speak for everybody, you know, it just it really depends on what people want to know.

And again that thing that I had read that post it said, I don't want to just believe I want to know, and for people that want to know, who are ready to know, this material is being made available and then it's up for people.

It's up to people to do what they will with it, how they will adopt or accept these teachings, reflection on their own life, how they're living their lives, what they expect to see, you know, when we leave this temporary existence.

It's all a matter of perspective.

People with a foundation of faith, they really know.

I know a guy, a personal not a really friend, but an acquaintance, and if it doesn't come from the Bible, he doesn't want to know it.

He doesn't want to read anything that doesn't come from the Bible.

I've tried to make these messages available.

I've suggested movies, documentaries, the Urania book.

He wants none of it, absolutely none of it.

If it's not in the Bible, he doesn't want to know it.

And to me, that's extremely closed minded.

I mean, biblical scholars, scientists, how can you not want to know new information that's made available.

But that's his choice.

We have about forty five seconds to go.

And really, this is what you're saying, is you can get all the messages that you want, but free will in the end is still going to take over.

For humanity, well for individuals.

Free individuals, yes, they have free will, but they have the ability to accept or reject, and it guidance, direction, support that's given, and if you're willing to accept what they're offering, then I believe it just makes sure your life, your existence so much deeper and more rich in the ability to be able to handle whatever life throws at you.

I love it, I absolutely love it because it makes things so much more simplistic than what they are today.

And right now we're living in an extremely complicated world, whether it's politically, whether it's militarily, whether it's just life in git excuse me, in general.

So the message it maybe is that we just need to take a step back and stop convoluting everything.

And on that note, Michael McAdams, we have until the top of the hour here on spaced out Radio.

Yeah, you're listening for Space down for you with your host Dave Scott.

All right, my man, we are clear flying on by.

I like some of the comments that I see your your Are these all your chat people?

Yes, they are, Like the comments that they're making.

They are cruising away my man, they are cruising away.

When we As we continue here, I actually received a message of personal message to me that was dictated to my mind so fast I was scribbling to keep up.

I came home from work one evening and just went upstairs to change clothes and these words greatness and spirit came into my mind.

And I will share that one here, but I feel like it applies to everyone who's in this work.

Yeah, we'll do that next.

And then, like I said, any questions that you've.

Got, yep, we have a few so far.

I'm surprised how fast this is going.

Well, when you're having good conversation, tends to happen.

You ask good questions.

I like that.

Thank you.

And when we get off the recording here, Dave, Yes, I will share some additional information with you, some movies that HBO documentary on Lilydale.

And then if I can, well, actually I have your email address because you sent me an email earlier.

Yes, I always.

I like to share three messages from volume two of the book, including the message where the two spirit teachers moved in actually four these spirit teachers, and we can get into this in the next conversation.

They repeatedly refer to themselves in first person.

We feel, we believe, we advise.

And there was a message that Wilma Jean, my mother, was getting in volume two, and she stopped right in the middle of the message and she asked a question.

She typed a question.

She said, who is the I and the Wei that's presenting this information?

And they congratulated her for asking and gave a three paragraph description of who they are.

Very cool.

About two and a half minutes.

Okay, but that's a little much to try and read in this context.

The shorter winds are better.

But anyway, I'll share that with you and you can print those their Microsoft word documents.

Sounds good.

Let's say, if you have any questions in the chat room for Michael, put them in capital letters.

I will get to them in the next half hour.

I will.

We got about a minute forty all right.

Do you guys have snow there yet?

We had just about six inches last Tuesday, this past Tuesday and Wednesday, but it was it's raining.

It's been raining all day here and all the snow's gone.

And it was really really cold.

We had two days where it got down to single digits, like one degree two degrees only a high of like fourteen or fifteen during the day that lasted for two days, and then it warned back up.

Yesterday was forty.

I think it was close to fifty to day and rain.

Oh wow.

So but then it's supposed to cool off again.

I mean, this is December.

It's that dreaded polar vortex that you've heard so much about.

I hear you there.

We got it the a few days ago as well, jumped up into the high forties here melted all our snow.

When you saw all the rain that Seattle had.

Yep, I mean, my goodness, yeah, my area two in my hometown.

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Michael mccadams is our guest tonight on the show, his website spirit speaks dot Com, and his latest book, An Angel Told Me So as we get deep into the spiritual realm.

Now, Michael, before the show, you actually had a message that was passed to you.

The personal message that we spoke about.

Yes, yeah, I had.

I have received personal messages to me.

This particular message.

This is one of the three prints that I offer on my website spirit speaks dot com as the Spiritual Parchment Prints.

They're on parchment paper, parchment paper, and I can actually show this on camera.

Well, we have to make sure we describe it for our radio audience, right.

It's a set of writing, set of three writings of faded picture of Jesus on parchment paper and this particular message I had owned a business.

I came in from work one evening, went upstairs to change clothes, and these words, the words greatness in spirit came into my mind.

I knew it was incoming.

I opened a drawer, pulled out a tablet in a pen, and these words started coming into my mind so fast.

I was scribbling to keep up.

And I really even had a tough time typing it the next day because it was having trouble.

I was having trouble reading some of the words.

This was given as a personal message to me, but I feel that it applies to all of us who are in this work.

May I share this message.

With you and your audience love for you to do that.

So the words greatness in spirit came into my mind, and this is the message that I was given.

Greatness and spirit shall touch the lives of many whom you will come into contact with.

Hearts and lives will be touched and changed by your presence.

Enable yourself, by the will of your being, to respect and respond to the changes in individuals as you become aware of the true potential of your spirit.

In the eyes of God, Thou hast made thyself worthy of all the riches and gifts of spirit.

That shall be forthcoming unto you, Be as you will in relationship to the Holy Spirit that inhabits and dwells within thy being.

At this time, look always to the future with anticipation and gladness, for thou hast made thyself a living receptacle for the Spirit of God, and all good things shall come to thee.

And that's an amazing message to get as a personal message.

But again I feel that it applies to all of us who are in this work.

I think that's a very deep understanded message.

Right there.

I was amazed.

Let's get to some audience questions.

Let's start off with t Bone.

The quote you gave from the Urantia book.

Uh parably, when I asked you about it, there was a quote that you gave, and t Bone was wondering if it was from the Ranchia Book, if you could elaborate on it.

No, all of the messages and teachings that I have read this evening are all from an angel told me.

So these are all either messages that I received through messages and teachings that were dictated through my mother, Wilma Jene Jones.

The Rantia Book is again advanced material and there is some heavy deep information there, and I have a contact page on my website spirit speaks dot com and if anyone would be interested, I have of probably eight or ten pages and papers that I recommend for new readers of the Urantia book.

Most of them are in the section on the Life and Teachings of Jesus, but two are in the main body of the book itself.

And for anyone who would be interested, if they would want to contact me on my contact page, I would share those recommendations that they could read again for free on the Urantia Book website.

Love it, absolutely, love it all right, let's move on to another question from our audience here.

Let us go over to jewels here.

Would you be shocked or disappointed if it ended up being entities but not angels or God?

That the messages are coming.

From these messages and teachings, the ones that have been signed.

Many are signed with the name your loving guide or your loving spiritual teacher, many in singular, others in plural.

You're loving spiritual teachers, your loving spirit guides Willma Jean, my mother received a message addressed to her that was signed your spiritual counterpart.

I have messages to me that were signed your spirit brothers, your spirit life.

There was even a message in the book that signed and with the initials l Z, and we never really got a name for that, but l Z were the initials.

So again, these are all spiritual beings from the spiritual realm, celestial beings, if that's an appropriate term.

So we don't you know.

Again, for those with the foundation of faith perspective, these would be angels, archangels, guardian angels.

But they sign their names spirit guides and spirit teachers.

And throughout all of these messages and teachings, none of the names that were signed were signed You're loving angel, You're loving guardian angel.

None of them were signed with an angel representation.

But the title of the book, an angel told me so.

But how do you know this to be true?

An angel told me so?

This was the title that Wilma Jene was given from spirit.

As to what the title of the book should be.

I want to know about where you go from here.

Well, my goal is to finish is to publish volumes two and three of the book.

I may do a revised edition of volume one and then just share this information and let everyone that I'm able to speak with or expose this information, to share this information with that they too have this ability and innate ability that they're born with, we're all born with to be able to communicate with our spirit teachers from the spiritual realm, spirit guide, spirit teachers again, angels, if that's your perspective, and to share that how temporary this physical existence is and what we have to look forward to, and that again there is no death.

We never really die.

It's just graduation, and we have so much to look forward to when this physical life ends, and there is no end to our existence.

They call it the continuity of life, and that's what we have.

Do you think then, with that quality, do you do you think that when you move forward, that it's going to continue the writings and teachings or do you think the writings and teachings will take you know, a different different road on the turnpike and take you down into a different direction.

Are you talking about the information that I've already that Will mcgene has already received.

No, I'm saying what you're going to receive in the future.

I don't know how much more I will receive.

I mean, I'm open to anything that they care to share but again, my mission, my goal is to share and make this information available that Willmagene received in these three volumes of an Angel told me so that she took so much time and effort to receive over a twenty two year period.

That's I believe.

That's why I'm here.

Do you find that the messages that were received by your mother that they will evenge go towards humaniti's directions or challenges in this modern world.

It's a reflection of what they have access to more than anything else.

That's it's confirmation that we're not alone and that these spirit teachers have our best interests at heart.

Again, their joy is in our recognition of their existence.

Now, we were talking about the Urantia Book, and in the Urantia Book there is a section that talks about personalized thought adjusters, and it says that each of us has our own personalized thought adjuster, and at the age of our first moral decision, when we make a decision that shows that we know right from wrong, normally around the age of four to four and a half years old, we are assigned a personalized adjuster.

Thought adjuster not we have to don't have to be obedient.

It's just an adjuster, and that adjuster will stay with us for life, offering guidance, directions, support, and we all have at least one.

And again, depending on your level of spiritual advancement, you may have higher teachers, higher guides.

We don't really know what the spiritual realm carries for each of us.

I would imagine Jesus probably had a battalion.

I want to get to a couple more questions for you here, because that's kind of what we do, all right.

So the next question that I have for you regarding this would be, you know, looking at the challenges that you have in getting these messages out, the public's reaction to this.

Every time we put out a positive message such as this, there are always the people who look at this with a skeptical eye or critique the messages that are around the channeled visions or telepathic conversations that we're having.

Have you received any of that, and if so, how do you deal with that?

I actually have not.

In these messages and teachings that Wilma Jane received, they reference repeatedly, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit.

There isn't anything in these messages and teachings that would disagree with anyone with a foundation of faith.

It does not agree specifically with the Bible.

There is an outstanding documentary that was produced by A and E Arts and Entertainment and they had a series.

This was years ago and it was an eighteen part series called Mysteries of the Bible.

I think you can still get it at various libraries.

But the last two documentaries that they did were titled Who Wrote the Bible, And it was a documentary at DVD on the Old Testament won on the New Testament.

And it's like a travelogue of the Holy Land, drone video, pictures, paintings, the way they tell the story.

It's narrated by Richard Kyley distinctive voice and Gene Simmons reads the Bible passages and it's an amazing documentary on how the King James version of the Bible came to be and a lot of people just don't understand how the various books of the Bible were assembled and there were books put in and books left out, and how this King James version that people lived their lives by came to be.

In who actually who wrote the Bible?

The various authors of the books of the Bible.

So that's something that people can look up if they're interested.

Have you ever had messages that come extraterrestrially.

No, I have not, although I would.

I would love to be.

We're talking X files, Yeah, sure, you know the X files with Molder and Sculling.

Yeah, pretty familiar.

It's on the Comet channel every night here.

I have not.

I would be open to it.

I read something so one time it said when when aliens drive past the Earth, they lock their doors?

Not very uh.

I don't think there's uh, that's very far fetched at all.

You know.

Again, you know, we sit here on the Earth here in the outer edge of the Milky Way Galaxy, and the Milky Way Galaxy.

The Earth here is our point of origin if you've seen the movie Stargate.

But people don't realize how vast this physical plane is.

The Milky Way Galaxy is too.

One thousand light years across.

That's one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a second times two thousand years.

It's a thousand light years thick.

And the next closest galaxy to ours is Andromeda, and it's thirty light years away.

The James Webb Telescope has photographed galaxies seven thousand light years away.

I mean, there are billions of galaxies and trillions of potential planets with societies and civilizations and intelligent life.

We're not alone.

I think we're just out here.

So we don't out here on the edge in the low rent district, so that we don't contaminate any other intelligent life.

We don't really know, but it's amazing the vastness of this physical plane and to know that there's a spiritual realm just as vast adjacent to this physical plane, and that we're going to find out what's on the other side one of these days.

Let's go to another question here, what do you see as the next step for the spiritual path that you're on?

Well, my goal again is to just share this information with all sincere seekers that I can find or reach out to, and if I can just share this information to let people know that they too can receive, that this is not unique.

I mean, it may be deep and profound, maybe deeper and more profound than other people would think they're capable of receiving, only because of the dedication that Will M.

Jeane my mother had, and the openness that I have to this material.

But that is my.

Goal and just being able to share this information with all who are interested and they're ready the materials available.

Was there a moment that while writing these messages from your mom that you ever just doubted where this was going or if the book would even be completed.

No, I really never had any doubts.

And when she would type these messages down, I got a copy of every single message that she ever received.

She had her own copy, and then she would make a copy for me because she knew that I was interested in these.

But in each session in volume one, again she would receive a message for her and a message for me.

So once this material, I just typed it in as a manuscript, and these messages and teachings, I'm the messenger and I weave a narrative between each message as to what was going on in her life, my life, and share hearing the story.

And that's what these messages and teachings are.

Six minutes to go here with you tonight shows flying on by.

At some point, for most of us who have the ability to channel or communicate, those messages start to die down as we get older.

Okay, contact seems to die down.

Experiences seem to die down.

I still haven't figured out why that is, but a lot of people who I talk to say that's happened to them as well.

Do you think moving forward, if you keep these lines of communication going and open for translation, that they're not going to they whoever they are, are not going to close the door on you.

I do.

I do.

And it could be that as people get older, their lives become simpler.

They're less involved with theirvarious you know, choices decisions.

They're not they're retired, you know, they don't have choices and decisions in their job.

They may travel, but it depends on what you're interested in and how far you want to continue this own spirit your own spiritual journey and when you find out that this material is available, just like the people that have never heard of the Iran Ship Book or so few have, but once they get into it, they can't believe all the information that's there.

Same way with these messages and teachings.

To have three volumes that people can incorporate these teachings into their lives, it just gives them something to look forward to.

What do you look forward to though?

Really just being able to share this information with the widest possible audience, being able to speak to groups, be able to carry this information and again represent the spirit teachers and my mother throughout all of this information that she worked so hard and spent so much time to be able to receive and that this material will affect people's lives and let them know that they too can receive in this manner.

That's what I'm here for.

And maybe you wake up one morning and just say, I've got a whole different set of messages for the world, because realistically, if they're sending you these downloaded messages, you really don't know what's coming, do you.

No, I really don't.

But I'm open to anything that they would care to share, and they know that I'm open, and I'm spoken to and thought are normally on a very regular basis.

And one of the things that I've been told more than once, and it's just the thought that it's like you're being spoken to, and it's said, we prepare the minds of men for your arrival.

We show you the way when so many have lost theirs.

And I have been given that line many many times, just not even thinking about anything.

We prepare the minds of men for your arrival, and that's my goal, that's what I'm working toward.

Have any of these beings that have sent you these messages, have they ever shown themselves to you.

No, I've never seen any aperations.

I've never seen any visions or had any visions of spirit teachers or again angels.

If that's your perspective, it's all been information, just like you're being spoken to in thought.

And if you can distinguish once you are able to distinguished it between an incoming thought from the spiritual realm, from your spirit teacher angel.

If that's your perspective, and a thought that you think.

When you can recognize the difference, then you are in tune and more receptive to anything that will be given.

And anything that as given that is given is always an advantage to you in life.

It will always be positive.

What about people who get negative messages?

If there are any negative information that's being made known to their mind, they have to decide if it's something that they're thinking themselves, or if it's something that is incoming.

And if it is incoming and they don't want it to be part of their thought system, they can simply surround it with an energy and disregard it, send it out into the deepest part of the universe, and can control their thoughts system and not let it allow them, not allow that information to affect their thinking.

It takes some discipline, it takes some work, it's not always easy, but it can be done, and it just depends on how protective you want to be of your thought system.

We have under a minute to go here with you tonight.

Now.

I want to say a big thank you for you coming on Spaced Out Radio and Michael, it's been an absolute pleasure getting to share your story or wisdom from what you've learned through spiritual teaching.

Do me a favor Tell everybody where they can find your book.

Well, the book itself, An Angel Told Me So is available on my website, spirit speaks dot Com.

It's available through Barnes and Noble bookstores.

Ingram is my national distributor, So if anyone has an independent bookstore anywhere, most all these independent bookstores will deal with Ingram and they can order the book and it's available on Amazon.

And at spirit speaks dot Com is your website.

Thank you, Michael for coming on Spaced Out Radio.

We greatly appreciate you doing this.

For us.

What a great, great time this last couple of hours.

Was coming up next on spaced Out Radio, Swamp Dweller will kick things off.

Then the Wizard Josh Rutledge will be in for the UFO Report.

We'll be right back.

You're listening to spaced Out Radio with your host Dave Scott.

Great job tonight, Michael.

Thank you.

I really enjoyed that, Dave.

Thank you very much.

You're welcome.

I would love to do this again sometime, except that I don't have any new information.

It would just be a repeat of everything that I've shared.

I've got your email address, so I'm going to send you this.

How much time do you have here?

I got I gotta get going pretty quick.

Here, okay, I could.

I was going to send you.

I can send you some movies, sure, this movie that I think you would really enjoy.

I can show you how I can tell you how to watch the Lily Dale documentary.

And I'll share these messages that I'm going to send you an email.

I'll send you all that in an email.

All right, Thank you, Michael.

And any feedback from this that you want to share or you can let me know when it's available on YouTube it'll I really enjoyed getting to meet you and talk.

Absolutely, man, it'll be ready in about ninety minutes.

Wow, you're quick.

If you get any feedback or any response from you're in this radio broadcast, feel fraid to let me know.

And you now have a new friend in Ohio.

Thank you so much, my friend.

You take care.

Okay, Merry Christmas to you.

Nice meeting.

You take care.

Michael McAdams.

Everybody, he's just a nice guy.

He's just a nice guy, you know what I'm saying.

So we appreciate him.

I'll be right back, everybody.

Us.

U all right, Here we go and we'll bring in the Wizard.

There he is there, he is.

Look at you, the wizard.

Hang it on out.

How are you doing, Dave?

I'm good, man, I'm good.

I'm overly excited because McDonald's opened up in our town tonight.

Oh nice.

Yeah, so I had a big Mac for dinner.

Is it?

Is it the same menu in Canada?

Yeah?

Pretty much?

Pretty much.

Food tastes different.

I can't eat American McDonald's tastes so different.

I've I've heard that.

I've also heard that because of the like restrictions that are placed on beef, the amount of sugar and things that can be in certain foods that even the bread is completely tastes completely different outside of the US.

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As the clam says the password each and every night right here on spaced Out Radio, let's head to the swamp.

Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp.

I'm Swamp dweller, and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic journey of the Unkno sharing tales of monsters, legends and nightmares.

Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp.

I live on the west coast of Washington.

Recently a one on a drive I take very often.

It follows the Spokane River for a while.

I decided, since I had taken this drive many times and I love how scenic it was, it would be okay if I did it alone.

I always took a friend because there isn't any service for miles once you're out there.

I went further than usual, though, driving about fifty miles out taking pictures and stuff like that, because I had bought a camera a year ago and just never really used it.

I did not even end up taking very good pictures, but it was still cool to go out further than I had before.

Although I will.

Never take this drive again.

It does follow the river, but there's also some thick woods in that area too.

I don't know.

About other places around Washington or the Northwest, but we have painted rocks old Indian paintings that have been preserved on their original rocks with the gate to keep people from messing with them up until that day.

I thought we only had the one, But on that drive I saw another one, although the gate was too short and anyone could really jump it if they wanted to.

As I was driving back, it started to get done.

It was a good thirty miles away from town when I saw what I saw.

At first, I thought it was a coyote.

Now, I grew up in a hunting family and seen more coyotes than I could probably count, but I remember being excited because I hadn't seen one in quite some time.

It was just off the side of the road, behind the barricade that keeps your car from going off the road.

But as soon as I got closer to it, this thing stood up on its hind legs.

This thing clearly was not a coyote.

I know what coyotes look like, and they are not taller than a person on their hind legs, that's for damn sure.

By the time I passed, it had ducked behind the wall.

I was in full panic mode.

At this point, I was still a good way from my town by myself, with no service anywhere.

I ended up almost flipping my car going around some sharp turns because I was going close to eighty in a thirty five zone.

I honestly wanted to get back into town so bad.

But every now and then, out of the corner of my eye, I'd see this thing in the trees.

Somehow it was keeping up with me.

Now, I am fully aware of the fact that it was dark and I was terrified, So all of those times could have been my mind playing tricks on me.

But the first time I saw it right by the road, I know what I saw.

That was not my mind playing tricks on me.

But I also do not know much about the legends about the Spokane tribes or if we have skin walkers up here, But I honestly just don't honestly know how else to describe it.

I mean, what really freaked me out is the eyes.

Again, my hunting family.

I remember growing up and my dad always told me to look out at the trees while driving at night, and if I saw glowing things, it meant there was an animal.

I had spotted plenty of deer and raccoons that way as a kid, But whatever this thing was, its eyes did not glow.

I never got a good look at its eyes.

Again, I was more focused on getting the hell out of there rather than looking at what its eyes did.

But human eyes don't glow.

I honestly think that's what bothers me the most.

So if anyone can give me information, and if this thing was a skim walker or something else, I would be greatly appreciative.

All right, let us say thank you to swamp Dweller tonight for another creepy story.

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It's time for the Wizard and the UFO Report.

Uf balls.

All right, we have the Wizard, Josh Rutledge in.

He's a part of Muffon down in the beautiful state of Arizona, and he is here for the UFO Report.

Josh, how you doing.

Buddy, I'm doing fantastic man.

Fantastic me too.

I am as of this moment, I am off work for the next ten days and I am ecstatic.

I don't blame you.

I don't blame you.

You know what happened to me today?

What's that my town's McDonald's finally opened up first one in my town.

People have been griping about wanting to McDonald's for like thirty years.

In my town, we finally got it.

I went through the drive through because the drive through open what they call is soft opening.

I wanted to play a trick, and I just I didn't do it.

I wanted to play a trick that when I went up to the window, or you know, you go to the board, you Hi, welcome McDonald's.

Can I take your order please?

I wanted to ask right off the bat if the ice cream machine was broken?

I did I and I thought, you know what, I'm sure out of the hundreds of people who are already there already, I'm sure that's been asked.

And I don't want to be that guy, you know what I'm saying.

So I left humor because I was going to record it.

You know, day one is the ice cream machine broken.

I didn't do it.

I lost the opportunity right there.

Somebody else MA can do it.

And now it's probably on.

TikTok, probably probably, but it would have been funny if I did, you know, I just don't like embarrassing myself for people.

You know, every now and again you got to poke fun at yourself.

But now I had a big Mac tonight.

I like a good big mac.

I do the fries, and I will say this, I don't drink a lot of coca cola.

I'm a pepsi guy.

But McDonald's coca cola is so good.

It is so good.

Do you know the secret?

You know the secret why it's so good.

Every other every other fast food chain that uses coca cola has dispensers.

McDonald's cools their dispensing lines.

So the syrup, you know, the the carbonated carbonated soda water is cooled, but the syrup arrives cooled as well, and that's why it hits different.

Really, yep, I never knew that.

Yep.

How do you know?

The more you know?

So yeah, it's uh, it's yeah because they The only other place that I've had that has similar tasting coca cola is.

Chick fil A.

I'm not maybe I'm I know what's an American thing?

Chick fil A?

Okay, I know, but I'm going to tell you right now.

When I've eaten Chick fil A in the US, when I've traveled down there.

Haven't been a fan.

Don't see what the don't see what the buzz is about it.

I'm not a fan.

Honestly.

I think you don't get a lot of food for the price.

But I'm just saying from a from a strictly coke dispensing Coca Cola dispensing, you know, has that kind of similar bite.

Chick fil A is the only other restaurant that I've eaten at that has a similar type experience.

I did something I like the waffle froze at Chick fil A.

Those aren't bad.

I did something else tonight, after getting that great big Mac yep for people who watch all the really cool stuff I put on the Space Radio store on our website because we do not have ugly swag, I created a new T shirt tonight.

I can't believe it's taken us this long to do it.

On the front it says what's the password for?

And on the back it says exactly I did.

I made it.

Finally made it.

What's the password for?

T shirt?

Spaced out Radio dot com, forward slash shop and go check it on out.

We got other really cool stuff there as well, so I'm pretty happy about that.

A lot of people in the UFO world, Josh, literally since twenty seventeen, celebrate this week because it's the anniversary of the New York Times article that really broke open the fact that there was something being hidden in the UFO world.

That article written by Pulitzer Prize winner Ralph Blumenthal, Heane Cooper and Leslie Keene.

They all combined on it to make it a very stellar article that came out on a weekend that I believe it or not, that is the highest grossing newspaper the New York Times has sold.

Number one is nine to eleven papers, obviously.

Yeah, number two is the UFO story, and it really seemed to change the entire trajectory of the UFO world and creating a new study called uap or you apology as I like to call it.

Your thoughts on this little anniversary.

Here, Yeah, I had it on my list to talk about as well.

So I've actually been looking at lately how has the how has the conversation evolved since twenty seventeen, Because you know, I think year over year, the messages just that you know, we still don't have disclosure, and I think sometimes we lose sight of the fact that significant strides towards disclosure or even towards just an overall public awareness of the topic have happened since too that since the breaking of that article, and so, you know, for that reason, I think it's it's a significant you know, when you think about the timeline of the the UFO topic, you know, since nineteen forty seven, this would be you know, a significant pin along that timeline, the releasing of this article, and I do think it has sparked maybe maybe not the widespread, you know cry from the public for why haven't you told us, but but a significant and you know, ongoing and growing evolutionary, if you will, interest from the general public.

People who before would have probably ridiculed, people who had, you know, reported that they had a citing are all of a sudden now interested and want to understand more.

And then you know, third you know, third beer in or something like that.

Oh well, let me tell you about this one time that I saw something.

You know, It's just it really I think went a long way, and the continuing efforts that stem from it went a long way towards changing the stigma of being a UFO believer quote end quote in the public eye.

I think it added a lot of spice to this.

We saw people, and we've seen people come into this field.

They couldn't tell roswell from an apple falling from a tree prior to this, okay, and now they have helped take this story through the stratosphere.

Okay.

We often dwell on negative in the UFO world because it is a very, very controversial topic with controversial people in it.

Whether or not you're a fan of Bob Lazar, whether or not you're a fan of Richard Dolan, whether you're a fan or not of Louella Zondo or any of the whistleblowers that have come out, so on, so forth, whether you think there's a narrative being played like I do, or whether you think that disclosure is going to happen in the next thirty eight minutes.

There is a ton of controversy that surrounds this subject.

Proof, no proof, where's the evidence?

We don't like it experiencers, but experiencers seem to know what they're talking about.

It's a ball of confusion.

We don't dwell enough on the positive of what happened, and some of the positive since that twenty seventeen article is it has opened up not hundreds or thousands of people into this, but hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people have come to the conclusion that it's okay now to talk about UFOs.

Okay, doesn't matter whether you use the UFO term your old school like me, or you're like Rutledge here, who is a uaper through and through even has UAP underwear on as we speak.

He really does, Okay, it doesn't matter, the fact is when people talk, subjects become popular, and when people ask questions, it makes others uncomfortable because they're not answering the questions that are being asked.

And I think the amount of people who have come into this field, even though it's and truthfully, it's made it difficult for me as a radio broadcast host because part of our job is a hybrid show.

We're live on the radio five nights a week, but we are still having to compete with hundreds, if not thousands of YouTube channels, TikTok channels, Instagram profiles, Facebook post x postings.

You have to compete with that on a daily basis, and ufology or you apology has become a full time job for many people who are trying to get the messages out and I like that.

But it's become difficult at times for what we do here.

It really has.

But I'm not going to shortsight that as a negative.

It's a positive that people are talking about it.

Josh, Yeah, for sure, you know, and I get it when I when I first started doing our podcast that's of a similar topic of five almost six years ago, you know, the you know, your show and a few others were one of you know, they were there were needles in a very large podcast had you know, Haystock Haystack.

But you're right, and there there are more and more, let's say, needles that are being introduced.

But like you said, it's it's good that people feel, at least I think, open enough to be able to host a podcast and put their name, you know, in the public eye as a basically to identify as being interested in the topic.

And you know, I'll say that, you know, from a work perspective, you know, I now openly to all all of my coworkers, you know, uh, you know, we we'll do like everybody send it a trivia item as like an icebreaker thing for team building.

I always put in investigates, you know, UFOs for movefon, because I'm not afraid to talk about it anymore.

And frankly, most people who I talk about it with ping me on the side and say, let me tell you this one time I saw this thing, you know.

So yeah, I think it's gone.

Like I said, it's gone a long way towards making it a safe topic and no longer one where you're afraid of, you know, ridicule by your coworkers or you know, a random person.

Unfortunately, though, what hit that ridicule that used to be present in the just talking about the topic has shifted into I'm gonna ridicule you because you use UAP instead of UFO, or you believe in this topic, or you think the Draco people have infiltrated the US government, or like it's it's now people within the topics nitpicking on what aspects of the phenomena they're willing to accept versus what other people are willing to accept.

So that's the unfortunate side of it is, I guess, is that the more it becomes generally accepted, the more the niche theories or things get nitpicked by those people who are now all of a sudden armchair quarterbacks, if you will, of the UFO topic, you know, regardless of how long people have been interested in or investigated or you know, are researched the topic in itself.

I would absolutely agree with that, absolutely agree and the opinions of many others like that, though you know, want to continue the argument.

I mean, you see it all the time, you know, And that's why many old school UFO people have actually pulled away from X.

They've pulled away from many of these online discord servers or what have you.

And that's kind of one of the reasons why I've never set up a discord channel for what we do here.

Never mind that their app sucks, okay, and you can never turn it off on your phone.

It's continually going on.

I haven't used discord ogz five six years.

Absolutely hate it.

Hate it.

But that's for another topic for another day.

But going back to the New York Times article, we got two and a half minutes to go here.

What was, in your opinion, the most impactful part of it?

You know, I think that for the most well, I'll say it's equally for two parts.

For me.

One is that, uh, many many of us suspected that when Project blue Book went away, that the government retained some mechanism for reporting and tracking UFOs.

UH.

So the you know acknowledgment of that uh in the article.

You know, even even if they got some of the some of the information you know wrong and that you know, the funding wasn't established for a TIP it was originally established for ALLSAF, but things like that, even if even if they got some of that information incorrect, it's still acknowledged that the government, yes, they had a program, they were interested in it, they were spending resources to catalog and investigate.

So that was that was a really big one.

Number two is that it also highlighted the fact that, you know, if if one of these projects exists without government, without congressional oversight, how many others exist without congressional oversight.

And I think that was a significant realization for just a general public as well and for congress.

And like I've said before, in my mind, that lack of congressional oversight is really what prompted a lot of the congressional pressure that we've seen over the last you know, five or six years since since that initial article broke to try to get that oversight.

And in the process of trying to get that oversight.

You know.

The a byproduct is we know more and more and more about these legacy programs or existing programs that are in place.

Has it solved anything twenty five seconds?

No, No, it hasn't solved.

And I mean we know more, but with everything we learn, we have thousands more questions.

Very true.

Indeed, Josh, I'm gonna get you to hold on right there because we are going to go to break here at the bottom of the hour.

Hard to believe this show is flying on by tonight that we only have thirty minutes left on spaced Out Radio.

We are going to continue with the man they call the Wizard, Josh Rutledge and the UFO Report right here on spaced Out Radio.

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So Dave, are you thinking that you should probably buy stock in McDonald's now since you're going to help improve their profits?

Oh dude, I'm gonna have to fight fight staying away from there, I really am, because it's it's literally right on my way to work in the morning, and I love a good breakfast burrito from there.

I do.

Uh my my favorite as the mcgriddle.

Yeah, the two breakfast burrito combo with a nice tea and a hash brown.

That's heaven for me, A little piece of heaven right there.

Yeah.

The whoever, whoever the stoner was that came up with the mcgriddell probably gets no recognition for their their invention.

But you know, you know, they went in and out and got the big, the big breakfast plate one day, put it all together between the two pancakes that they gave you and ate like a sandwich.

And somebody was like, eureka.

I would agree.

I would agree, Oh, I would agree.

I got all my Christmas shopping done yesterday.

Yeah yeah, and I'm so so pumped.

I Uh, only one gift for my son has not arrived yet, and I don't know if it'll arrive before Christmas.

I'm hoping it does.

But a couple of days ago we got them a megalodon tooth.

Oh nice?

Yeah?

Yeah?

Are you are you confident it's authentic?

Yeah?

This.

I got it right from this place called uh Fossil Exchange.

They're out of North Carolina.

They got they had a pretty good reputation on online.

So and the cool part about Fossil Exchange.

They didn't charge me extra for shipping to Canada.

Nice.

Yeah, because that's the first thing I asked was, I said, do you guys ship to Canada there?

They're like, oh, yeah, we do.

And here's the other cool part.

The tooth actually came with a stand in a really nice box, like it was wrapped up nicely in bubble wrap.

And I went to.

My family and I were at disney World one time and we were sitting in like in a little booth area, having you know, a cool beverage because it was hot, and we just struck up a conversation with the couple that was sitting next to us, and it turns out that the gentleman was in the fossil world.

He was he was on a team that reproduced fossil models, and so he told me, he's like, if you ever go into a museum and they've got, you know, the full fossil of the Transaurus Rex, for example, it's not the original fossil.

The original fossil is stored in a vault.

It's a recreation that is aged and made to look like the fossil.

It still inspires the same amount of interest and wow, and wonder, but it doesn't put the real fossil in you know, jeopardy of being damaged or destroyed.

And so he was on a team of people that that was their job for every fossil that was found, was to recreate in a you know, in an almost accurate production, ready recreation of the fossil for public display.

It was just a part of the of the fossil world.

I had no idea about.

I had no idea about that either, So very cool.

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There he is, Ladies and gentlemen, the Wizard, Josh Rutledge hanging on out with us.

Josh, how you doing fantastic?

Man?

I'm feeling very wizard tonight?

You should.

Right before the break, we were talking about the impact of the New York Times article that happened this past week about eight years ago.

Hard to believe it's eight years already.

And for you, Josh, what else do you got for us tonight?

Yeah?

So I wanted to talk about the Steven Spielberg trailer for the new film.

We talked about it a little bit last week because he put up a billboard at New York in New York Toms Square, but then like a day or two later, he released the first trailer, and I'm not gonna lie, it gave me, uh, not like eerie or or scared chills, but like just like there was a lot of energy in that trailer that I you know, that I felt at like a deep, you know, cellular level, and I think it's gonna be an interesting film.

I am shocked, though, at the number of people online who were talking about it as an alien invasion film, and I really didn't get that from the trailer.

I'm curious about that because I was thinking about the trailer as you were speaking.

The trailer to me that was released and you could go on YouTube type in disclosure day and it'll pop right up.

It didn't have the impact I thought it would.

Am I going to watch it?

Am I excited to watch it?

Oh?

Hell yeah?

Oh hell yeah to me?

And I'm probably in the minority here, but to me, this is the almost fifty years later, the finally a sequel to Close Encounters of the third kind.

You know, I'm already prepared to be disappointed because I hate CGI and AI and yet going back to Close Encounters that was all models like Star Wars, and I don't like those type of movies, But that's okay.

I'm still going to enjoy this one.

I know I'm going to enjoy it.

But I don't feel that this is going to push the elements of actual disclosure forward as many UFOs and UAP psychophants think it's going to.

Yeah, I don't.

I don't think it's going to push Well, I take that back.

You know, I've ever since we've been talking about disclosure and the government's interest in it, I've said that the public interest in the topic of UFO, UAP, whatever you want to call it, is a piece on the board of the chess game that is being played from the back and forth of the Legacy program.

Now we probably know is the is the one side, and that those of us who want disclosure on the other side.

But the public interest and the public opinion is one of the pieces on the board in this movie, regardless of how it may push the understanding of the topic of disclosure, I think has the potential to bring more of the public interest into the fold of what is disclosure?

Why did he pick that name for the film?

What does that mean?

Does do you think somebody out there really does have the truth, and they're just they're just sitting on it, waiting to release it like it will spark a lot of conversation from people who otherwise have not been very interested in the topic.

And you know, one thing I've noticed is there's there's a significant gap, in my opinion, in the disclosure the the demographics of those people who were in the community and who are interested in disclosure, in that most of the the community is not made up of anybody younger than thirty.

So the potential here for the younger generation to maybe see this film and want to know more also strengthens the argument or the push from the public on disclosure.

I told people a week ago, two weeks ago that watch on X You're going to have a bunch of people jumping out there.

This is what we need for disclosure.

One person was even saying that Emily Blunt was going to be testifying at the next UFO hearing because she's an experiencer.

She needs to know what's going on, and she's going to tell her story.

Really, I mean, this is how our field looks really bad.

This is why the scientists don't want to talk publicly with us.

This is why the government agencies want us to go away.

When people take a movie that is going to be based on science fiction and blow it out of proportion, there are no easter eggs towards disclosure in this I'll guarantee that it's a great movie, though, and I can't wait to see it.

I think it could also serve as a societal mirror, if you will, how would potentially the public respond or react to the truth of we are not alone?

You know, in a lot of ways.

You know, you could take this film as almost like a repeat or a sampled repeat, if you will, of the Orson Wells, you know, event that happened in the early nineteen hundreds with or the Worlds or the Worlds Thank you.

You know that this is a way to gauge what that public response will be if if people if it hits well and does really well in the box office beyond the first weekend, then I think that's an indication that the general public is at least interested in the topic of what if We're not alone?

And how might they respond to it?

If there but if the movie goes the round of trying to to play on the fear narrative, then I think it can be significantly detrimental to the topic and the push to want to know the truth.

And you could be right on that.

You could be right on that.

And you know, one of the things that I'm very much looking forward to it regards this movie.

And before we get to a question from our audience, here is the clicking noises.

That's something that we first heard on m night Shyamalan's movie Signs.

Remember the yeah, And let me tell you if you've never heard the clicking in real life, I don't know if you have, Josh, I have as well.

It's not really a like you would call over a horse.

It's something a little bit different.

That's just my best rendition of it.

Okay.

And when you hear that clicking sound and the way they nailed it in the movie Signs, and then in this trailer they had that almost identical clicking sound going on again, it puts shivers down my spine.

Man.

Yeah, I mean I I definitely, like I said, I had an energetic response to it.

I played it later on in the evening for my wife.

I played the trailer for my wife and then we went to bed and I had some really interesting dreams that night, having heard that right before bed.

So it'd be cool to like just play the noise that's heard in the trailer, the clicking noise, and then do a meditation or just play it and then go to bed and see, you know, seeing how it affects you psychologically.

When did you hear?

Sorry for cutting you off, tell me the story of when you heard the clicking.

I was sitting I was by myself.

I was sitting outside.

I had been doing I guess a solo ce five if you will, and I still had my eyes closed.

I was coming out of the meditation, but I still had my eyes closed, and I was just kind of very deep in you know, meditative state.

My body was in like a like a sitting still, you know, paralysis type state, and I was just very alert and aware to everything around me.

Uh.

And that's when I heard the clicking noise.

And it's it's more like the way that I describe it is it's like someone who can't speak, but they're still moving their mouth and their vocal cords are making noises, but they're it's because they're it's almost like it's a physiological response to a telepathic message, where there's their mouth and stuff is still making the motion as if they're speaking, but the message is coming across telepathically, so it's like like that kind of noise.

For me, it was in twenty eighteen, when if you've listened to this show long enough, my interaction with the alien Carl that showed up at my window back in twenty fifteen, and in twenty eighteen he came back, and I remember being on the air that night with Olive Phillips, and eventually I got off the phone with Olive and I went upstairs on my patio because I was freaking out, and go outside of my patio and it's like, I'm listening to a conversation from my backyard.

And I live on about half an acre, okay, And in my backyard there was by one of my trees, there was this type sound and then it was like a conversation was happening up my driveway.

And my driveway goes about halfway up the property and you could hear the one up my driveway responding, you know, And I was like, you got to be kidding me.

And I called up our Keith Andrews, and I'm like, dude, Carl's back and he goes by the way, have you heard any weird sounds?

And I'm like, yeah, there's this clicking sound and he goes, does it sound like this?

And he did this thing with his voice like that's the sound.

And as soon because I had my phone on speaker, and as soon as Keith did that in my backyard, you hear a response of back and I was like, you gotta be kidding me right now, right?

I just I wish I could have recorded it.

I wish I could have little little do you know you're you know you actually insulted his mother?

Yeah?

Probably probably.

Let's get to a question here.

Let's get to a question here from Showgun.

And I believe this is Shogun's potentially first time in our chat room.

So thank you if you have, and don't forget to hit subscribe and ring that bell For somebody who doesn't know that Disclosure is about aliens, What do you think a normy aka normal person would think Spielberg's movie is about.

Well, I mean, I think I think Spielberg.

I think it's going to be clear that Spielberg's movie is about aliens.

It's just whether or not the normal person associates the the term disclosure that has been in the media coverage with Spielberg's film as somehow being related, but you know in that in that way that that is potentially another way how Spielberg's film can help again broaden the impact of disclosure is that his you know, fiction film is going to draw a linkage between the term disclosure and you know, learning that humans are not alone in the universe.

And so anybody who then after that point sees a news article or a headline or a YouTube, you know, video or something talking about disclosure, they might make the connection between the two.

So it could be perceived as Spielberg is making basically a large, you know, public service announcement in the form of his movie to bring more and more people into the understanding of why disclosure is important.

I also believe that people watching it for the first time, much like if I recall watching Fire in the Sky for the first time, when you hear it's based on a true story, you think they're doing it verbatim, which they are not.

Okay, but I think that it's going to scare the daylights out of people, and there will be some copycat things happen over it, much like when when Signs came out all of a sudden, there were people going out into cornfields and wheat fields and making all sorts of really crappy crop circles.

Okay, I see that happening with this, okay, And I see people, you know, getting on the bandwagon a little bit.

But once the fad fades off, they're going to go back to their you know, normal lives again.

You know, yeah, they might say, hey, that was really good.

I don't think it's going to push a lot of people towards studying the UFO UAP phenomena.

I don't think it's going to push people more towards the government needs to disclose.

I think people are just going to be in it for a really great movie.

Older people are going to be excited about it because of the Hide to Close Encounters of the Third Kind, and we've been waiting decades for Spielberg to make this movie.

And younger people are gonna be like, hey, this is cool, this is amazing.

Could you imagine if this happened.

I see a bunch of positives coming from it, But I don't see this pushing people to start picking up a book or listening to a podcast or a radio show saying this is my new found treasure that I'm going to investigate.

Okay, I'll see there, But let me also ask it or think about it this way.

People have we talked about it before that there are everyone is a is a you know, is a skeptic or a believer until they have their own experience and then they become a knower.

Right, And all the phenomenon needs is like a like a switch in the brain where you go from this stuff is impossible to maybe this is Maybe this is possible.

Maybe there is some credibility to this topic beyond this fictional movie, And that's all the phenomenon needs to then for you to start having your own experiences.

So, even if it.

Doesn't result in masses of people tuning into your show or somebody else's show, or a bunch of book purchases, even if it only leads to that switch in the brain where they leave the movie thinking is this possible?

Maybe that's all it takes then for them to experience the phenomena in their own way, and that experience is then what ultimately leads ultimately leads to a broader understanding and awareness from more of the public, and five ten years down the road, they're the ones being interviewed on podcasts about their experiences and why disclosure needs to happen.

I think we all want disclosure to happen sooner rather than later.

But if it takes if seeding the public now for the long game of disclosure so that more and more people will wake up, guess what, more and more people who have experiences.

What also generally comes along with it, treating fellow humans better, treating the world better, treating the planet better, coming up with new novel ways of energy production or manufacturing or things like that.

So it's it's almost as if the phenomena is our creative muse if you will, as as a as a race of people, and if this movie helps spark that next creative you know, rush of creativity, then I'm down for that too.

I'm down for it as well.

Man, I'm down for it as well.

But I think there has to be a level of reality here too, though, you know, I mean, and that reality is the majority of people are going to be saying, hey, this is great entertainment.

The majority, I'm not saying that it isn't going to flip over a certain few that are going to push the ball forward and you're right, it's probably going to be in that younger crowd, or if you're in your seventies like my father is, where all of a sudden, mister five senses decides maybe there is something out there.

My father's complete attitude has changed since my mother passed away a couple of years ago.

Now he's open minded to what maybe there is something out there.

Maybe my son isn't nuts okay, And I've watched him change on that where he's asking me questions like, hey, you really think that we're being visited by UFOs or hey, do you really think that Bigfoot is out there?

You should have seen him when I showed him a footprint.

He was ecstatic, you know.

And it just there are going to be those people who who all of a sudden gain that interest.

And you're right, and that's a good thing.

There's nothing negative about that, you know.

But we're gonna have to see and unfortunately we have to wait six months.

Josh, Yeah, well, you know, and I'm hoping that we'll get, you know, more and more trailers that will reveal, you know, pieces here and there of what the film is going to be about.

But you know, if you think you know if you think about the possibility that the twenty seventeen New York Times article, if we think about it in the terms of, you know, preparing the way the twenty seventeen Times article and all the things that happened after it pushed the pushed them of talking about the topic away.

All right, now I have a hold that thought, because we gotta go the Wizard.

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