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We have an amazing show tonight.

We're going to get into UFOs, We're gonna get into dark projects.

Ol of Phillips is here tonight is We're going to enjoy his knowledge of the subject.

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Ol Of Phillips is a respected paranormal researcher, author, and media contributor known for his thoughtful, evidence based approach to ghost hauntings, unexplained phenomena like black projects, UFOs, alien contact, MK altrait, you name it, he has studied it.

Olive has spent years honing his topics, making sure that he has absolutely great sources of knowledge.

He works in a field where he has the ability to to literally talk about these things, but he can't talk about him in public, if you know what I'm saying.

He's been on this show a number of times, and every time we bring him on, he brings some weird new knowledge to us about things that we don't know about.

For instance, are we really trying to get to Mars or are we already there?

Are we trying to get to the Moon, or do we already have bases there?

What kind of craft do we have that are flying out there that can get there to these places without having to use SpaceX type rockets.

It's a very interesting concept.

It pushes the realm of sci fi and we love it.

When he is here, Olive Phillips, a man who is always wearing some sort of plaid.

It is good to have you here.

How you doing, my friend?

Doing all right?

I got the plaid.

Greetings and salutations.

Greetings and salutations, Dad.

Olive.

For people who may not have heard you speak on this show before, you are somebody who it takes a deeper look into the UFO subject and that of the strange and abnormal.

Why did you go that route rather than just sticking with the paranormal, supernatural and everything that most people do?

Well, I started on the UFO side.

You know, I had a sighting when I was a kid, and I spent my entire life trying to figure out what exactly I saw.

And you know, like everybody, I like ghosts and haunted houses, and you know, I went and did that stuff too, because I'm fascinated by it.

You know.

When I was young, you know, we.

Watched sightings and and other shows like that, and I grew up with in search of and you know, I wanted to understand these things that I'm watching, you know, so I started to get into it.

But you know, over time, I came to realize that it's all linked together, and you can't you don't really have one without the other.

I mean, I was watching documentary just the other day on Bigfoot, and you know, they were.

Talking I mean I already knew, but they.

Were talking about how you know when you have sightings or cryptids that you tend to have a lot of UFO sightings at the same time, and so it's trying to understand that linkage.

But they appear to be linked.

So it's natural to want to research all of it.

How much fun do you like looking into these projects?

It's most people don't even waste their time on.

Oh I love a rabbit hole, so you know, I just started in on a new rabbit hole.

But you know, it's just I think there's something about my brain that likes the complexity of it that I enjoy the twists and turns of it all and trying to figure it out.

You have been known as someone who has dealt with everybody from whistleblowers to MK Ultra, my Labs, secret space programs, alien contact.

What intrigues you about this subject?

I think it is a complexity of it.

I mean there, to be honest with.

You, there there is no way to completely figure it out.

I'm not convinced there is something to figure out.

You just kind of have to.

You just kind of chart your way through it and try to understand it versus you know, I don't think you can solve it, but I think you can understand it.

And I don't know.

I think it's just the complexity of it.

It really is a rabbit hole.

I like it.

Talk about that rabbit hole though.

Okay, well what makes it a rabbit hole?

Well, you start out with something simple, you know.

I mean you talked about mk Ultra, you know.

You you look at mk Ultra.

Well, there's what one hundred and twenty nine subprojects of mk ulture, each one doing something slightly different.

So then you start going down and seeing how they're all linked together, and then you start to see these names, and these names pop up in other places and you start to figure out, you know that this.

This individual help put off.

You know, he was SR he was involved in Stargate, he was involved in some ultra, he was involved in SRI.

You know, to the start of my favorite to the Star's Academy.

It's like it runs all around, so you know, you start to see these people and and you know, each thing leads to something new.

There have been so many rabbit holes to go to and run down with this field.

I mean, we see it going on on X every day about the government cover up of UFOs.

How much further beyond does it go what we see, say, what's playing out on X with this subject.

Oh, I'm sure it goes far far deeper than that.

I mean, X is nothing right, X's surface level.

You know.

The way the way that these kinds of things work is that if it's it's on X, they've already lost control of it.

They don't even care.

There's so much more, I'm sure, at so many different levels that, I mean, it's impossible to know how deep it goes.

You know that Danny Casta I was watching the Danny castelera thing on Netflix, and it's like, you know, I read the book by Ken Thomas, and you know, I know a fair amount about the octopus, but it really is, you know, it's like an octave octopus, a hydra, whatever you want to call it.

You know, it's it's like, there's.

The only way I could probably describe it to you is is it's like you ever seen one of those ant hills where they pour like aluminum multen aluminum into them they make.

Yeah, it's like that, but it's bottomless that you don't know where it ends?

How how could you?

How could you possibly know where it'll all ends?

And it's by it by design, you know.

You take a thing, it's it's like you know cars, right, It's like you take a car and you completely my brother did this one.

You take a car, you completely dismantle it down to the frame, and then you hand you hand every component of it, whether it's a turbo booster or it's a you know, radiator, or it's a fuel injection system, or the gas tank, or the wheels or the brakes or the brake pads, the rotors, the axles, the springs, the leaf springs.

You hand every single one of those pieces to somebody different because the end goal is that no one person can reconstruct the car.

So you know, like I heard a story once of a guy.

He was a very sophisticated, well trained machinist, and he spent his entire career, entire career, making these bolts out of some kind of super alloy and they had to be super supermachine like super accurate.

And every day he went to work and boom, boom, boom, outcome a bunch of bolts.

I mean, he's hand machining bolts.

You know, we cast bolts like it's not.

Bolts are nothing.

You go to Low's and they're like five cents.

This guy's actually custom machining bolts.

And the material that he was using was some kind of super strong material and he spent twenty years making bolts.

They paid him good.

He was happy, and he had no idea what the bolt was for.

You just put him in a box and the box got tested and then went somewhere.

And one day he was going through a nautical museum and he saw a mockup of a nuclear reactor.

It was actually a nuclear reactor that they used to train the nuclear engineers on board submarines.

And service vessels.

And you know, it's a complete reactor, just doesn't have any fissile material.

And so the guy's looking at the reactor.

He's like, wait a minute.

And so then he looks real close, gets his head real close tight in there, and there's a mark on the bolt the bolts that he would make that was required.

And he's like, oh my god, that's the bolt that I spent twenty years making.

And he's looking all over the reactor and these bolts are all over the reactor.

He spent twenty years making them.

He had no idea they were used in a nuclear reactor for a submarine.

But that is the key for the military industrial complex.

They make bolts in one section, they make wheels in another state, they make the the glass in another one.

I mean, that's how they keep it all together.

That's how they keep the machine moving right.

And then eventually, you know, all those bits and pieces come back to a hangar where it's assembled.

And I mean, you know they do this for commercial and military, right.

You know, if you take like an air bus, or you take like a Boeing aircraft, all the components that make up that airplane that you're about to hop on and go to Hawaii.

You got your you know, seven thirty seven.

You know, I don't know seven thirty seven, eight hundred or whatever.

You know, every piece in that thing was made somewhere else.

I mean, they made the sheet metal that goes on the wings in one place.

You know, they bought the radios from another place.

The avionics came from another place.

It's all spread out well in the military industrial complex.

You do that for security?

Very true, very true.

Have you ever met a whistle blower that you truly believe in this field?

You know, as a policy, because of the way laws work here in the United States.

As a policy, I don't really like whistleblowers.

They're dangerous for me as a person, you know.

I mean, they're protected by a bunch of laws, but that doesn't mean that I'm protected, So I tend to stay away from them.

It's also really hard in a lot of cases to divine whether the whistleblower is real.

Right.

But you know, on occasion, I've been in an event and somebody walked up and told me something right.

And I think probably the best one I ever heard is I was on a radio show and we were talking about, you know, various things, and a secret space program mostly, And this guy called up in the last ten minutes of the show and he identified that he was in the Pacific Northwest and he was an aerat retired aeronautical engineer.

And there's a lot that you can kind of figure out from that.

And he said that he comes on the show and he's only on for about three or four minutes, and you know, he starts talking about you.

Back in the seventies, you know, he worked in this this special access program and they built i think three three satellite a three satellite constellation was lifted into orbit.

Two of them were a Hunter Killers and the third was in an equatorial orbit.

They were designed to blow stuff up.

Well actually they chopping apart with a laser.

And you know, he was adamant about it.

And then he said, that's all I had to say, and he hung up.

I think that was probably the most interesting one I've ever had.

Have you ever had people come up to you personally, face to face and say, this is what I know.

I don't want to go public, I just need to tell somebody this story never comes.

Out quite like that.

I never had anybody.

Ever tell me something like that.

You know, I was once at a convention and a guy walk and unsolicited, you know, for the powers of Berrero listening, and he came up and said, hey, you know, I'm a contractor.

I said, good for you.

And he said, you know, I work.

On this and that, and we've been installing this and that on these these vehicles and and you know, what do you think?

And I'm like, wow, you know, that's pretty pretty damn impressive if you can get it to work.

And you know, I kind of tossed it aside, and years later, you know, here come they're they're saying, okay, we're now installing rail guns on ships.

Well this guy told me probably about five or five or six years before that, but that he had personally worked on the electrical system of a rail gun that was put on a on a US Navy vessel.

So yeah, I mean it happens now.

And again I never seek it out, but if people come up and tell me stuff, I can't really help that, so right, but yeah, you hear some interesting things.

I think the most interesting conversation like that I ever had was when I was young.

I had just gotten started on the internet, was just starting, and I ran a website called the s four database because I've always had an interest in Bobozar and Area fifty to one and all that.

And I got an email from him and I didn't believe it was him.

I was like, you're not Bobbosar and he's like, no bubbles are.

And so he invited me to Desert Blast, the big party used to throw in the desert over on BLM Land.

That's a whole show in and of itself.

But all the guys were there, John Leear and all these guys were there, and the day before, you know, I got there a little bit early, and you know, I went over to a house and I'm sitting sitting in his office across the desk from him, and he's telling me about S four and you know, he's got he's got a many many supercomputer behind him running shockwave calculations on something that he was thinking about building that could break the summer.

I think that was probably the most the best one I ever had, sitting at Boblozar's desk in Bobozar's house.

Talking about that.

That's pretty cool.

That's pretty cool.

I've talked to him on the phone once and Jim Goodall, who is a good friend of this show.

It was actually it was actually a day before my birthday or something right around my birthday a couple of years ago.

And I called Jim up and I'm like, how you doing, Jim?

And I said, how was the trip to Bob's?

And he goes, I'm still here, I'm sitting on his couch right now.

And I'm like no, And I'm like, no kidding.

I said, can I can?

I?

I said, Jim, it's my birthday here, I said, can I say hello to Bob?

Of course?

So I got to get this.

Oh yeah, very nice guy.

Oh yeah.

And his story has never changed since nineteen eighty nine.

His story has never changed.

Why do you think we have such a tough time at believing Bob Lazar in his area fifty one story?

I think because he was very detailed about it.

It's the very thing that makes me believe him.

I think that he was very detailed about it.

And I also think that he he talked about things that a lot of people don't want to hear.

Right that when he went through that briefing, you know, they showed him videos that that appear to have been shot in the Biblical era.

You know, it's like you know, people don't want to hear that kind of stuff.

But I think I think that he also and he'll tell you this if you ever get him on.

You know, he made some mistakes.

You know, he installed the security system and an off the books brothel got busted for it.

You know, he made some choices that kind of impune him in the eyes of others.

But you know, he's but I think it's also you know, he's very.

Detailed, and I think he he's a nuts and bolt skuy.

You know, he'll never tell you that he saw an alien because he didn't.

He'll never tell you that it's a it's an alien vehicle, becau because he's not sure.

He'll tell you.

I think it is, but I'm not sure.

And I think he also he's a he's a very quiet, shy guy.

And I think that he for a very long time until that documentary came out, I think he just really didn't push, push hard, you know, to get out there.

I mean, he made a video that I doubt anybody who's listening has even seen excerpts of the government Bible, you know, and he but he's just he's a very nice guy.

He's very charismatic, like when you talk to him, because he's nice.

But I think he lacked that lacked that need for adoration, and he never really capitalized on it, Like he never he never really made a lot of money on it.

He just kind of was like, this is what I experienced, this is what happened.

You know.

I saw where he fixed the bullet hole on the back of his corvette.

You know, I mean it's like, these things are real, but he never really pushed it very hard.

Why do you think there's so many holes in his story?

We got about three minutes to go, you know, where he went to school?

Documentation, you know, I mean there's a lot that doesn't add up.

Yeah, but there's a lot that does that up.

I mean, he has a you know, he has a W two.

I mean, it's all as the minutia.

He has a W two from an apartment of Naval Intelligence, and he obviously did some work for them somewhere.

You know, he's he's in the phone book as far as the other stuff.

You know, the dates line up, but there's no documentation.

You know, I knew a guy once who was in the army.

He was a mechanic.

He kept talking about how the how the Apache gunship has structural problems and structural fatigue.

They ran him out of the army.

They gave him a they gave him a you know, a normal discharge, so you know, he could get the VA or whatever.

But they were like, you're enlistments up, you need to leave.

And they then they basically destroyed all the records of him being ever having been in the army.

The only way he was able to prove it is.

That he had his D two fourteen and he had all the paraphernalia that came with it, and he walked into the VA office and dumped all this documentation and they were able to finally, you know, find okay, well you graduated mechanics school, you must have.

Been in the army.

I mean even my own father, you know.

They he went into the VA and was trying to get benefits and they said, well, we have no evidence that you ever served in Southeast Asia.

And so he brought in an award.

It's the equival of a silver star that he was given by the Republic of South Vietnam.

And he said, here, I got this when I was in Vietnam.

He said, oh, okay, well, we'll give you your benefits.

Then, I mean, they knew he was in the military, but then you know, they erasing backgrounds.

My father is a bit of a different case, but erasing backgrounds and losing people from educational institutions that are beholden to the government.

I don't find that hard to believe at all.

It's kind of weird to think because it's so easy for people to say, you know, point blank that oh, they erased my they erased my records.

You know, in Lazar's case, I think they did.

But I knew several people.

My dad obviously had all kinds of records from his service in the military, but you know, I knew a guy who they literally erased him from them from the US Army.

Once you know a few people where something like that happened, it's a lot easier to believe it.

I get that.

I can appreciate that, you know.

I mean, I think that there is you know, a healthy uh.

I think we're we would all be naive.

Let me put it this way.

I think we'd all be naive to think that the government isn't going to do anything that they can to keep their secrets.

Absolutely and and some of the and I want to go on record yet again saying that some secrets need to be kept.

There are national security secrets that we need to keep, you know, for our own defense and for Canada.

Right, you guys keep stuff secret because you want to protect Canada.

Maybe from US, but you want to protect Canada.

You know, it's the right.

It's the right of every nation state to have secrets to defend itself.

All the Phillips is here tonight.

When we return, We're going to ask him about a secret base that apparently is holding UFOs.

Next on spaced out radio.

All right, buddy, we are clear, good start.

Okay, good, Yeah, I'm hoping to make it fun.

You always do.

I try, you always do.

Yeah that basse all have a good conversation.

That's an interesting bass.

But I'm for UFOs.

Oh, I'm just as full of shit as everybody else.

Who said you're full of ship.

I did.

Everybody in this field full of shit at some.

Level at one point or another.

Oh yeah, Mike Rivers, how you doing, Mike, Look at this good evening, good show, good start, very Rivers.

Thank you, Mike Rivers.

Rivers hyphen I X six g j H.

You know honestly, I think that if you have a guy who's a whistleblower, yeah, I won't toe to you.

I promise you asked if you want to talk.

About Dody, you need oh what's his name?

I'll tell you a story about Dody.

He's like a cautionary tale in a fo s I Walter, Walter Bosley.

Walter Bosley, I love Walter Bosley.

When you know Walter on ask him about Dody, I'll tell you a story, right, Yes, No, I won't to you.

I promise, Please don't send a camera around to film me.

If you ask osi guys about Dodie, they all said the same thing, and it's not good.

No.

But you know, honestly, in my estimation, having hearded around in eupology long enough and all this stuff, you know, if somebody comes here and I'm a whistleblower, you should be like, yeah, okay.

And Carrie Cassidy, I tore her up on an email list.

You know, she was going on and on about Courtney Brown, and I said, Courtney Brown's a sham.

He was a sham.

And Ale Bobby's as sham now.

And I said, hey, let's talk about Captain Phillips the guy who's spending a life sentence in the back of ol mental institution for thinking that he's King Arthur and killing some old doing dude in cash and is his social Security checks.

That guy was never and has never been in any kind of space secret space program.

He was a contractor.

They're ripped off and murdered an old man in Morin so that he could build he could turn Morin and a camelot.

Yeah, she didn't comment after that, she left the group.

Look at you go.

You gotta you gotta be real careful about quote unquote whistleblowers that the conspiracy world and you fology are just filled with them.

I mean, I won't name him because I don't want to get sued.

But there's the Blue Chicken guy with his Circle ships and somebody asked him.

He said they told him.

They said, hey, you said there's Nazi moon bases.

You said you have photos?

Can you send us one?

He puts out a picture.

It's a screenshot right out of Iron Sky.

Oh man, I saw the picture.

I'm old man.

I know that that's Iron Sky.

Fun movie but not real.

Some people's children.

I like that movie, but them with dinner that was funny Hitler's I don't know on a dinosaur.

It was hilarious.

All right, buddy, else just jumped in.

This isn't be a cover moon.

Basicly, I know nothing.

I know nothing.

I don't know, man, you better call him and ask no.

No.

I think they'll they'll cover your secret space program service.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I wonder if they clean the clean carpets as well.

Well, you know that's the funny thing about uh, what's his name, the guy from England, Gary McKinnon.

Yeah, A lot of what he found was was like toilet paper, shipments between ships.

It's like that kind of kind of low level stuff, you know, that's how you prove things.

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Al of Phillips is here hanging on out with us as we're going to get into the UFO chatter and ol Of, I want to read this story to you.

I'm going to paraphrase it from Christopher Sharp.

He is a friend of this show.

He is also a great UFO reporter for Liberation Times dot com, and he is saying that his sources have told him that Naval Air Station Patuxent River or Pax River in Maryland might be a place where there is exotic vehicles of unknown origin.

Now, according to the story Okay, sources have declined to describe the vehicle or disclosed where it was found.

However, it is understood that contingency plans may be in place to relocate the alleged craft if its current location were to be publicly identified.

Pax River is the home and the headquarters of Naval Air Systems Command or nav Air, and as a major center for naval aviation research, development, test, and evaluation.

What's your thoughts so far.

So Pax River.

Yes, it's a test facility for the US naming so they test all kinds of stuff there.

It's actually not the interesting test place.

I think they're looking in the wrong place.

I could see an exotic vehicle of unknown order being stored there.

That is purely conventional out They would ever put a UFO there, it's got too high a population around it.

But typically this, you know, they'll test modification Step eighteen's there there.

They have a number of helicopter squadrons that they use for testing various things like you know, torpedo dropping or sonar buis or kind of stuff like that.

But I think that if if there was ever a place that they would store uf the Navy would store UFO, it's definitely not there.

There's a whole different spot where they would do that.

And by the way, let's get some super chats going.

Yes, yes, yes, I know about White Sands.

Okay, So here's the big thing that I have about this, okay, and where it would make sense to me that this place may be something where they would store one of these or maybe in a in a deep bunker type hangar.

And the reason why I believe believe that this might be true is because Lockheed Skunkworks has a significant presence at this location well, of.

Course, because they test things like drones and other stuff there.

It's just because the skunk Works is there doesn't mean that there's UFOs.

The Navy actually has another facility called Autech where they test they it would be more likely aw Tech is Area fifty one for the Navy.

So I think that if if you take pax River and put in aw Tech, I think you've got a better better estimation.

Most likely, if the Navy was going to have extraterrestrial vehicles.

It would be an attach.

It would not be a Pax River.

Pax River has there's too many people around, you know, how can you fly?

I mean they put Area fifty one into the middle of the desert for a reason, right, so that you can't watch it.

I mean, if you you're launching this kind of stuff from packs River, there are millions of people that will see it.

But you know, the skunk works being there, I'm not surprised.

I mean they're working on you know, top secret programs for fa teens and helicopters and all kinds of stuff.

So I'm in drones and other things, so I'm not surprised.

But I definitely don't think the Navy put it there.

They put it at Autech.

In fact, Autech is so bizarre that I have it on good authority, and to my knowledge, it's not a classified thing.

It's just not something that they talk about.

Is that they actually have a decauser out in the ocean off of Autech and they run submarines through the Degausser to demagnetize the halicy can't you can't attach minds and stuff to it.

But who knows what else when they go through the when they go through that degauser, who knows what else they're doing.

And if they have a degausser under the ocean, you know that that tells you the order of magnitude of what they're doing.

And they've tested underwater habs.

At aw tech, I mean all kinds of exotic stuff, so I think it's more likely it's an odd tech.

See.

That is one of the things that made me curious about this location.

Okay, And I think is there is a lot of people.

Maryland's not a big place, and considering the bases right on the Maryland New Jersey border, Okay, that's a that's a big population there.

It's spot, it really is.

And why would you put something if that highly sensitive on the top secret.

You wouldn't.

That's that's the point that somewhere somebody is saying, Okay, Pax River, there's a bunch of UFOs and Packs River.

It's not that big.

I mean, it's not big enough to have a bunch of UFOs hidden there, right, And so you know, it's one of those things where if somebody's saying that it's a Packs river, it's probably not They're probably pointing you to Pas River to keep you.

From looking somewhere else.

That's how disinformation works, and good on them for doing it, you know, if they're trying to hide something, you know, but it's Pax River is a terrible place to put a UFO.

But on the flip you get it there.

On the flip side, ol of they may put parts there.

They could be testing vehicle parts.

Absolutely, they could be testing vehicle parts.

I reject the idea using Okom's razor.

I I fundamentally reject the idea that there's a UFO at Pas River.

Now they can take some object off the UFO and take it to Pax River.

That makes sense, right, if they had some kind of a you know, well, it's like what Lozzaro has talked about the reactor, although I think it would be a bad place to put a reactor.

But you know, if they had some kind of a gravity amplifier from the sports model or whatever, and they took it to packs River or test, that makes sense.

You would need something small enough that you can put it on a SWO one thirty.

Definitely.

So if you were looking at this, what would be your if you look across the United States or maybe even the world.

Where would you have your secret basis?

Honestly, yeah, nobs, Yes, I would.

Probably find some alignation or neutral nation out in the middle of nowhere.

Me personally, I'd probably park it in Africa somewhere, or I'd probably park it in Southeast Asia, maybe Thailand, I don't know, somewhere somewhere outside the United States, in the middle of nowhere.

My money would be on South America or Africa.

In the United States, there are a number of secret bases, like Area fifty one.

Sure, but ask me why why so Area fifty one, White Sands, Dugway.

These are all great candidates, right because it's huge expanses of desert.

There's nobody out there.

You can do all kinds of fun stuff without people watching.

And if you're going to fly it, you know, okay, but you still have to fly it over.

Even if you take it off out of Area fifty one and you fly it out, you're going to fly out over Vegas.

You know you're going to hit a populated center in at least two of the four directions that you can go.

If your impacts River.

The minute it gets off the ground, the entire Eastern seaboard is going to see it because they're all small states.

Right.

If you take it somewhere, you're also if you're operating a program inside the United States, you are fundamentally governed by the laws of the United States.

If you operate it outside, even in somewhere like somewhere in the middle of nowhere in Italy or France, German any maybe even Greenland, if you operate these vehicles outside the United States, you're no longer bound by US law.

Right.

So that's why when you talk about black sites, right, all these black sites are in I mean there's black sites in Syria.

There's black site there were there was a huge black site in Afghanistan.

There's black sites in Iraq.

I mean there's tons of them.

You know Guantanamo, right, it's you know, it's well Guantanma is a different case.

But you know, you have these these little islands out in the middle of the ocean.

They put black sites there.

Why because they're outside the United States.

So intelligence officers have a much more broad capability of what they can do and not do because they're not governed by the laws like in the United States, for example, Right, technically, according to the law, the CIA cannot operate.

The FBI is the investigative service and counterintelligence service for the for the United States.

So if there's a counterintelligence operation that runs, it's performed by the FBI, whether it's in Alaska, Hawaii, or the Continental US, Guam, Puerto Rico, whatever, it has to be run by the FBI.

Now, if you have a counterintelligence or an espionage problem somewhere else, then it's the CIA that goes out and handles it and they can do I mean, as we say, even with Venezuela, right, they can do whatever they want and nobody catches them and they're all happy.

But inside the United States, the CIA actually cannot operate missions inside of the US.

Now they can go to Canada, right and operate inside of Canada because it's not the United States.

So when you take these things, I would argue to you that they're probably the more specialized stuff that they're doing.

That super uber secret is probably being done outside of the United States.

What about places like these little islands that we see in the Pacific, I mean even up in Alaska.

I know it's close to Russia, but they got all of these little inlets and islands there that would be easy to store this.

Oh yeah, Kodiak.

If you if you wanted.

A place with a military installation, you know, there's Kodiak.

Nobody goes to Kodiak unless you're part of the military.

Right.

No, there's there's a Brazilion.

Little islands in the middle of nowhere that they do all kinds of fun stuff with.

I mean it's because you know, you go into something in one of these these island chains, you go into the government.

There's probably a thousand people that live on that island.

You say, hey, I'll give you a billion dollars to just let me set up over here on the corner and leave me alone.

And they will because they get a billion dollars and it's outside the US, and it's outside the jurisdiction of the government of the US, and there's no oversight.

So my money would be that they do it in on little islands or in countries outside the United States, just like the way they do black sites.

Trevor Paglan he wrote a book.

It was like blank spaces on the map.

He goes into quite a lot of lurid detail about how these things work.

Trevor Paglin would actually be a really good guess for you if you come.

On, that's awesome, that that is awesome.

Locally though, if we look at the continental US, most people look at Area fifty one, Most people look at right Patterson dug Way in Utah.

What other secret bases are there that would need to be watched by this well.

As one of the people in the chat said, White Sands.

Of course, these are the big you know, these are the big places where it's huge expanses of desert that you can pretty much do whatever you want.

But also, but autech is more about the ocean, right, it's Navy.

I Also the other thing about the Navy doing it is you know, if you think about how the military is organized, right, each military branch has its own domain.

So the Air Force guards of the air, the Navy guards the oceans, the Army guards of the ground.

The Marines are part of the naval operations and specialize in amphibious assaults.

Right, everything's organized.

So the idea that.

The Navy is undertaking this massive UFO program at Pax River is unlikely because that's actually the domain of the Air Force.

Because it's an aerial vehicle, so the Air Force labs and the Air Force is set up.

In fact, they have you know, we talk about Moondust.

Moondust is real.

Whether you think they pick up UFOs or not, Moondust as an entity is real.

They're tasks with recovering what's called foreign technology.

So if there is a satellite, a Russia satellite that crashed in Canada, right, I always love to pick on Canada because you're in Canada.

There was a Russian satellite that crashed in Canada.

I think it was in the eighties seventies of the eighties, and so they sent a Moondust team out there on Air Force helicopters to go pick the satellite up and secure the reactor.

The Canadian government got a little pissed off about it because we just kind of went in there and got it.

But you know, Moondust goes all over the world picking a foreign technology.

Right, So the Navy undertaking a massive UFO program.

I find it highly unlikely it would be kicked over to the Air Force or Space Force, but there are more satellites and rockets and stuff, they'd probably go to the Air Force.

Not the first time things have been picked up by your government in our country In Canada.

There's a rather large UFO that crashed inside a Canadian territory at the bottom of a great lake that can't seem to get at.

There was also saw a crash in Manitoba.

I believe in between nineteen fifty five and nineteen fifty eight that by the time the Canadian military showed up, the United States military was already there loading it in a transport or by helicopter.

And when they when the Canadians military said, hey, you guys can't do that.

This isn't your country.

You can't just come in here and steal that, they said, well we just did.

Yeah, pretty much.

Something similar supposedly happened in the Zone of Silence in Chuala and Mexico.

Ufo crashed and the Mexican army went out there to secure it.

They tried to cut it open, and they cut it open and some kind of gas killed everybody.

And so the air force took into.

Two jolly green giants and carried it out on a net between them back across the border into Texas, and the Mexican government was quite pissed off.

We have a tendency, I mean, we always have that when it comes to stuff like that.

We just go secure it and take it, and if you have a problem with it, you can kind of fight us for it because nobody will.

Yeah, well we all shake our fish, damn you Americans, you know.

Yeah, but then then we threaten to pull out of NATO and everybody goes no, no, no, no, no no no.

Well, I mean I don't agree with it.

I don't.

As a person, I don't think that it's a particularly good idea, you know, me as a human, I think that it's It would have been far better to go to the Canadian government and say, hey, you know, let's work this out and both profit from it, you know, because we do jointly defend the airspace of North America right in the ground.

I mean, if somebody invaded Canada, we're going to be up there.

You know.

Somebody tried to take on your navy, which is somewhat small, I mean not you know, it's it's it's good, it's a very well trained navy, but it's it's small.

It lacks aircraft carriers and some submarines.

You know, we go up there to take care of it with you guys.

So I think that in that kind of you know the information should have been sued, but I can't.

You know, I can't stop it and only know what I believe.

Well, it does work.

It does work for you guys.

You know there is work for us.

You know, you know, we do know there are secrets being kept on this.

What do you think is the biggest secret?

I think the very biggest secret of all is that there's not as much of this stuff as we think there is.

What about the ties?

I want you to explain that, But first, what about the ties though where many people are believing that this has to do with other things, where religion gets involved, or or you know, the aliens aren't as nice as what we think they are.

That's the Brookings study, right that the Brookings Institution brought together eminent psychologists, psychiatrist, anthropologist, theologians and they tried to analyze what would happen if the people of the earth, not just the United States.

I mean, obviously, you know, you worry about yourself first.

But they came together and studied it for quite a while, and their conclusion was is that there's a portion of the population that would accept it.

There's a portion of the population which couldn't rationalize it and would deny it, and there was a portion of the population that would have an absolute meltdown because it would break all their beliefs.

So that that is supposedly the problem that they're trying to solve by cover out that.

And of course there's a national security element that if you do have extraterrestrial vehicles and you are back engineering them and you are getting technology from them, you don't really want to share that with anybody.

And that goes for any any country.

If Canada had one and they were secretly back engineering and it gave them a leap ahead of the United States or anybody else in NATO or the world, you know, they would be hard pressed to want to tell the whole world about it either, right, I mean, I think that's just politics and national.

Security, but.

Yeah, that's yeah, some people would have a meltdown and break down because it would violate their fundamental religious beliefs or you know, their psychology.

Is it that fragileist subject.

Especially around religion.

It can be.

What do they say if you go to a Super Bowl party, what do they say you never talked about you never you never talk about politics and religion?

Right, because it's fundamental and that's true of every culture in the world.

You know, you're if you're too ingrained in the religion.

I mean I'm I'm you know, I'm.

Not particularly religious.

I'm more spiritual.

But people who are religious, you know, if you present them with something that violates the constraints of what they believe religiously, they do not react.

Well, that's why wars have been fought over religion.

Very true, very true.

With about two and a half minutes to go before we have to go to break at the top of the hour, Olive Phillips is our guest tonight on Spaced Out Radio.

How do we kind of push this subject forward?

I mean, there is allegedly this big divide where half the people in Congress and elsewhere want this subject to come out, the other half does not.

Where does this argument lie with you?

You know, it's it's tricky because if you have if it's a national security thing, it should be kept secret.

But at the same.

Time, you know this, if there's proof of extraterrestrial activities on the Earth, you know we kind of we would benefit greatly as humanity would benefit greatly from having access to propulsion systems or energy.

Right if they had some kind of clean energy, it would save us, all right.

So I think that it's kind of add there's a duality to it.

I think maybe releasing the stuff that they could be beneficial to humanity while preserving the stuff that could be you know, beneficial from a national security point of view?

Is it that serious a national security point of view?

Though?

If allegedly, well, you're you're the you're in Canada, you're the Canadian Air Force, the United States Air Force.

You've got vehicles flying through the sky.

You don't know what they are, you don't know how they run, you don't know where they came from, and you can't shoot them down.

I think that's a national security threat.

Well, let's say you get your hands on one and they have some kind of super laser.

You know, that could be quite useful.

But that's the thing though, we don't know.

I mean, yes, look, those of us who have had experience, No, you've had an experience.

You're somebody.

What a lot of people may not understand about you is you are somebody who who is probably closer than majority of us to defining what's a UFO and what's a governmental UAP.

Oh?

Absolutely, Oh, yeah, I can.

I can.

Yeah, it's a very clear distinction for me.

I know about drones, so you know.

But yeah, no, I mean you can clearly define what a UAP is.

I mean both behaviorally and technically.

You can very easily determine if the UAP is this convention is some kind of a terrestrial object.

Absolutely, which personally I believe all UAP are.

I believe all UAPs are terrestrial vehicles.

Me too, terrestrial built vehicles.

Absolutely.

I don't think there's a from the tick tack on down.

I don't think any of them are aliens.

But I've seen I've seen UFO like straight up UFOs.

Me too, me too.

I know you have my friend.

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Very knowledgeable person about weird, strange myths, theories, secret bases, secret societies, everything on the dark side of the books and olive.

Thank you so much for being here.

Oh, no problem, I love coming on.

I know your best audience in the world.

I appreciate that.

Thank you, Thank you very much.

I want to ask you because if anybody's going to know this, you're going to know the answer to this.

Okay.

I heard this about a year and a half ago, and I've actually meant to bring this up to you, but I never have.

And then all of a sudden during the break, I remembered I need to ask all of about this.

So apparently there is a US naval base somewhere near Lake Tahoe, and apparently it's alleged that there are submarines in that base, so that there is some sort of underground tunnel that takes them to the Pacific Ocean.

Have you ever heard this rumor before?

I have, and I'm very wary to believe that.

Living in the Sierras, I've been to Tahoe many many a time, and there is no navy base on my Taho.

There's some beaches, it's really cold.

There might be a monster in it.

Called Tessie, but you know, I, yeah, it's not.

I wouldn't think that there would be submarines in there in a navy base.

I don't know where that Navy base would be.

Now that being said, as one of the people in the chat room pointed out, there is a there's a base in Fallon, which is not that far from Tahoe.

But yeah, I find that unlikely.

The more if you're going to go down that route, the more realistic one would be that there supposedly is a is at one of the bases in southern California.

There is a tunnel that they run submarines throughout to Area fifty one.

I don't know how you would construct something like that without people knowing that be a little vast, but that is a persistent rumor, and there are tunnels that they can run submarines to various places along.

The West coast in California.

But as far as is the furthest i've heard it that makes any kind of sense is Vegas to Area fifty one.

Aells.

But you know, to to run an underwater tunnel up to.

Tahoe, you know you're talking about a massive incline, right because Tahoe is not at sea level, so you know you're going to have to go up seven I forget how high it is, but probably seven thousand feet, and that would be tricky.

That would be engineering laying tricky, so I highly doubt it.

But I have heard about it.

But there's no Navy base that I've ever seen in Tahoe.

Havn't been there.

It is one of those interesting topics, indeed, the secret the secret bases.

Man.

You know, there's a there's a map that was no buy a guy named Tall back in the nineties, which supposedly has a bunch of secret bases on it.

I'll send you a copy of it.

Got a couple of questions here for you from our audience right off the bat.

Here sure, Grandier's asking, are you familiar with the secrets of the White Sands missile range, at least some of them?

Yeah?

There supposedly, Well, there's definitely been gun camera not gun camera footage, but ground ground camera footage of interesting objects flying around White Sands.

There was a there is a persistent story that there was a landing at White Sands.

I want to say the one at White Sands was the proto was the source of the landing sequence in close encounters of the third kind.

I think that supposedly took place at White Sands, and that Eisenhower was out there.

Yeah, there there.

Have been multiple landings, supposedly and technical exchanges.

I think the the guys that supposedly went to Serpo left from White Sands.

Let's go to another question.

Sure, let's go to t bone ol Of.

Do you think psionics is a UFO fad.

Well, psionics is different than UFOs, you know, I think there's something too psionics.

You know, it's it's something that that both US and the Soviet's experimented with, and there's been some compelling scientific research around psionics.

So I think there's definitely something too psionics.

But psionics is not a strictly UFO thing.

What do you think it is then, Well, it's.

It's mind mind stuff like you know, remote viewing.

Right, you could argue amasionics like machinery that the power psychic phenomenon stuff like that being able to The KGB claimed that they could stop people's hearts at distance.

You know that they could have a guy in Siberia stop the heart of somebody in Turkey right by willing it.

You know, that's like psionic warfare.

Do you believe the power of the mind can do that?

Yes?

I actually do so, do I yeah?

And I think they've done it both US and the Soviets at the time and now the Russians.

Well, it also goes to show though Olive.

I mean, you get a lot of these people, and Grant Cameron has talked to a lot of these people who make claims that they've flown the craft when they've been obtaken, they have flown the craft.

And one of the things things that they state is that the craft is almost like biological and it connects with your mind.

So if all of a sudden, you as the pilot want to say, take this craft to see the rings of Saturn or go feel the heat coming off the sun near Venus, you can do that.

It's kind of incredible how this kind of works.

Yeah, I mean, there are persistent stories about there's a type of drone UFO that is more biological or organic.

And it's interesting because back in the day I did a series of reports about I suppose that UFO that crashed in Tracy, California.

I actually got on UFO hunters for it.

But one of the things that we were told there was a mysterious stacks that was sent to the radio show that I was working with at the time and called ground zero, and the facts said that the object was detected by US by a new type of satellite they've used actually an organic I for lack of a better term, and it was tracked using this and then they fired a kinetic kill vehicle from an fateen off the coast that I hit the thing and forced it to crash, and there was supposedly a laser shot from Lawrence Livermore.

But what's interesting is that in.

The facts that talked about a series of surveillance satellites that used organic organic equipment to actually detect these things when they come inbound.

Do you think we do have radar satellites right now that are specifically trained on spotting UFO's coming in?

You know, I'm sure if if UFOs are real, and I believe they're I'm sure that US and the Russians and the Chinese have satellites that are watching for them, a lot of them.

When they come in and they're they come in and cross into the atmosphere, they're detected by something called DSP satellite.

Those are predominantly, we're predominantly orbited to detect the missiles missile launches for World War three, and that's how they pract them as using the DSP network.

So those are the supposed fast Walkers that come in from outside and come into the into the atmosphere of the Earth.

But if if the fast Walker things are real and they're there, they are, you know, they're whether it's a breakaway civilization or UFOs or whatever it is.

I would imagine that some of those DSP satellites and retasked, or they've set up more satellites that would look outward.

I mean, we know that they have satellites that look outward because they watch for asteroids.

You know, there's a whole asteroid defense network that exists where it watches for asteroids coming toward the Earth.

So you could use that for the same thing, or that could be a cover for the satellites that are looking outward for UFOs.

Speaking of space, there is a lot of intrigue that you have stated over this show over the years that you believe that we already have the ability to have bases on places like the Moon and Mars before we go any deeper on that.

Why do you believe this?

For people who've not heard your dissertation about this.

Well, the I mean is in the fifties, right, US Army came out with a project called Project Horizon.

It was super classified at the time, and they wanted They believed that by nineteen fifty eight that they could build a space a base on the Moon using pressurized quantcet huts.

They could hold one hundred I don't know what you call them, like astronauts, soldiers.

The Air Force, not to be outdone, came out with the one called Lunax, which was supposedly able to be put on the Moon by nineteen fifty nine.

And then the Russians the Soviets, you should make that distinction.

The Soviets came out of the plan called Svezda, which was supposed to do the same thing around nineteen fifty eight nineteen fifty nine.

And I've heard enough interesting information over the years to believe that it is possible.

And you also have these tracks on the Moon that John Leer talked about, a lot transient light pheno and on that exists on the Moon where astronomers who are watching the Moon with telescopes will and and by the way, NASA has a database of this that they report lights moving across the surface of the of the Moon right and generally correlated.

Some of them to suppose the tracks in the case of Mars.

You know, if you can put a base on the Moon, you can put a base on Mars.

Right.

The main thing that has always made me believe that we actually do have something there is that in the in the back of the book the Secret Space Age, and I think I put it into the Cold War and space as well.

There's a photo I got from NASA, and I did a test, and I showed this photo to a bunch of people and I asked them, what do you see?

And they they pretty much uniformly, they said that they saw a mansion that they figured it was it was Laguna.

And I show them a black and white version, not the color version, which is all red.

But they figure it was somewhere in southern California, Laguna Laguna specifically, and I would tell them, no, this is actually built into the to the side of a canyon on Mars.

It's a it's bizarre.

It's built in the side of the Candian.

It's perfectly smooth, has a black dome on the top.

It's a square built in the side of a canyon wall.

You know, it has like a triangular pad out in front of it and it's it's completely anomalous.

Like I've never seen anything on in any photo of Mars, short of the the monolith graveyard out by the Poles or the monolith on Phobos that ever convinced me that there's something artificial on Mars.

This thing is completely out of place.

It's it's perfectly smooth.

It's got to literally got a dome that's reflecting the sunlight, you know.

So you know, you see things like that and some of the other anomalists stuff like the graveyard that exists up in the but I think it's a north pole in Mars, and you ask yourself, what is that?

Right?

So and I also, you know, I really.

Enjoy Richard Hogland's work, and he, you know, he has some very compelling photos that are that we're taking us in different spectrums, so you can see these lattice works of structures.

You know.

It's it's not all the face on Mars or the DNM pyramid or whatever.

There's also shots that were taken by rovers and by other machinery that we sent out there that takes pictures, and you can see these lattice works that exist.

So there's got to be something to it.

So you know, I definitely think that it's possible, likely given what I've seen.

So if we if let's say this is possible, let's say that we have people right now on the Moon, or we have people right now on Mars.

Okay.

The question that I have for you regarding that then is how did we get there?

Because we're still tinkering with rocket designs here publicly.

Yeah, publicly.

The trick is is that you got to look at DARPA.

And I asked the guy I knew that worked in DARPA.

I didn't ask him to expose anything or but asked him a simple question.

I said, look, you worked in DARPA.

You you saw some of the you know, you saw some of the programs in DARPA.

How far ahead is DARPA from the commercial world?

And he thought about it for a long time, you know, and he he said, well, based on what I've seen, probably fifty years.

But he said, there's stuff out there that I've heard about while I was working in it that's probably one hundred years in advance of what you see in the commercial world.

Right, And I go back, I go back to Ben Rich that you know, he spoke at a Caltech alumni dinner, and this has been corroborated by dozens of people.

And he said, he's the former head of the Lockeyed Skunk Works, and he said, not only do I have the technology to taking tea home, but I have the contract.

And ben Rich was not the kind of ben Rich is an engineer.

He was not the kind of person that would make that stuff up.

And he wanted to mic drop and he said, not literally, I'm literally quoting him.

Not only do I have the technology to taking tea home, I have a contract.

That is a very significant statement for the head of the Lockey Skunkworks.

I would agree with you on that.

And to this day, like if you take Jim Goodall to bring his name up again, you know, he was friends with ben Rich.

Ben Rich had Jim Goodall's books sitting right on his desk for anybody to read, you know, and they would talk about once a month and ben never regretted saying that.

No, and I believe that it's the truth.

Now what that actually means, I have no idea.

I mean nobody could, right.

I'm not part of that special access program and I don't have that kind of clearance, so you know, I can only guess and possibly what he meant, but I think he was pretty clear, and you know, you can make an argument, well, how do we get there?

Right, which is the logical question.

If you take these secret space program stuff off the table.

You know, the number of.

Unscheduled and secret and top secret launches out of ban Edinburgh and Canaveral carrying military payloads over the last fifty years, there's enough of them that you could have easily assembled things in orbit and never known.

I mean a lot of Shuttle, a lot of Shuttle missions were classified, right, and you have to ask yourself something.

You know, we talk a lot about this kind of stuff, and you know, everybody's all over not weaponizing space.

Well, the Soviets field it's I think six six separate battle stations that they put into orbit.

Now they were small, they're called out the Almas, but you know, the first one had to recoil as cannon, you know, and it went up from there, and I think the last one had a laser.

You know.

I had a guy I worked with a guy who is in the Soviet Air Force and he told me point blank, he's like Star Wars is real, and he said, you know, all that stuff that you guys put up there, we put it up there.

So there's a whole bunch of Star Wars stuff floating around it there, at least according to this guy.

And he worked at the facility he worked at was what's called the Cosmodrome.

It's kind of like a launch complex like King Canaveral or Vanderberg.

And he was there when they launched the rockets carrying the Soviet Star Wars system in orbit.

And they, you know, they launched something called the Polyas Skiff, which was a you had lasers and rail guns and nuclear weapons on it, and supposedly it crashed, but nobody ever saw it crash.

And it was huge.

It's size of his Space shuttle.

You know, for all we know, it's still floating around it there.

I mean, you've got you know, the the rods from god Thor's Hammer, you know, kinetic energy weapons up there, and all kinds of stuff, brilliant bubbles and lasers.

What about the Black Knight satellite?

What do you think about that?

You know, actually I actually wrote a story about this in The Ark and the Covenant and other sucre ancient secret weapons, and I postulated at the time that and I still believe that it's a spent munitions platform from a war that, according to the Vedas, occurred about fourteen thousand years ago, and it was a war between two brothers and the plate.

At the end of it, the one brother decided he had fought the other brother long enough, and so he detonated some kind of super weapon and destroyed the other brothers city.

And there's actually a crater in India and it is very famous.

They go out A lot of people think it was a nuclear weapon, and they go out there and they take readings of the radiation, but the radiation doesn't.

Really it's not elevated.

I mean it should be, but it's not.

But if you read the Veda, what it actually talks about is that the brother when he sent the doomsday weapon to kill his brother, they describe it as a pillar of fire that came from the sky and then when it hit the ground, it exploded in a fire ball.

And if you read about the ideas around whether it exists or not, the ideas around Thor's Hammer the rods from God is that they they're these tungsten rods that are released from orbit and they have a special kind of sheeting on them that as they go through the atmosphere, they heat up and they become a kind of plasma.

And when the kinetic energy weapon hits the ground, the sheathing shatters and throws balls of fire everywhere.

And if you look at what a kinetic energy weapon from orbit would do in that context and compare it to what's talked about in the VEDA, it's like one to one.

So I figure that the Black Knight satellites actually the weapons platform that fired it.

And what it does is when it sees new things in orbit, it's well known to come around and take a look, and it takes a look and analyzes that, probably some kind of AI on it analyzes says, you know what, you may be a threat, But I've got no munitions ammunition left, so I'm going to leave and go back to L two or L three, which are gravitationally neutral places in the Solar System where the gravitational pull of the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun are equilibrium.

So you can sit out there with very low power consumption and hold your position in space and not be pulled toward the Sun or pull toward the Earth, or pull toward the Moon.

So and you just kind of sit out there gravitationally neutrally.

So I think it goes back there to hide.

All of them, going to get you to hold on right there.

Hard to believe.

We only have half an hour left with all of Phillips tonight, as we love it.

When he's on here, we'll figure out, we'll take some more audience questions and figure out next where we're going.

It'll probably be into some deep dark secret area.

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All right, buddy, we're clear.

Okay, always fun when you're here, my man.

Yeah, it's going okay.

Everybody's enjoying it.

Oh yeah, oh yeah, good, gotta.

Get some more super chats going on.

Oh we can try, we can try.

No Scandinavians.

H yeah, a black night.

I wrote an entire chapter in that book about it.

It's just weird how it comes in goes out.

You know.

It was when they launched Sputnik, the ground radar actually watched an object come in behind and follow the orbit of Sputnik for a couple of revolutions before it took off.

Yeah, they were all, yeah, they thought it was a rocket booster.

But then they launched Explorer one, which was you know, the US's version of Sputnik, and it came came down and followed uh, Explore one a couple of times and then took off.

So yeah, they actually got it on on some kind of ground based radar.

No, I like that one.

You get a start writing more, I gotta.

I got a topic in mind.

It's not a secret space program.

No, something entirely more weird.

I love the secret space program talk man, I know you do.

Have them paddling that stuff for years now.

I know, well, I think i've I think I have a different perspective than most people.

I think you have a good perspective on it, though.

Well, I try to root it in in facts and logic.

You know, I don't know how they do the crewing though.

I figure they had one of the suborbital vehicles bring them up and down.

I don't.

I don't believe they're thirty in Batman.

I could have like a week of shows with you, and you only just talking about all of that stuff.

I could.

Well, I try.

I try to be entertaining of fun.

Oh dude, you are that, that's for sure.

Oh, thank you.

I appreciate it.

Mm hmm, all right, you have a very interesting chat.

They're good people in there though.

They're good.

They really are.

They really are.

They ask good questions.

I think it's, uh, we're lucky.

We're very lucky to have the people that we.

Have in here.

You really are.

It is a blessing, though, man, it truly is a blessing.

Oh, somebody doesn't buy in the secret space program stuff.

That's okay, yeah, I mean what is the secret space program?

Fundamentally right, it's launching secret things in a space and there's a ridge out here.

I can go because we're the way we're aligned, you know, we're not.

Actually, I think we're less than two hundred miles from Area fifty one.

And during the summer sometimes I go out there and I'll sit out there and you can watch that stuff climbing out Area fifty one of full power going up into the sky.

So they are at a minimum suborbital.

There's some crazy stuff that comes out of that place.

But if you want to see it, though, you can't go on the weekends.

You know, honestly, actually they do it at all kinds of different different days of the week.

We actually, for a long time when I lived in the Bay Area.

We had one that we had a vehicle that would come in on Tuesdays at about nine pm, and it would come in and one day it would kind of come in from the west and then go north, and one day I got curious, so it comes in.

We only got about ten seconds, buddy.

I'll tell you the story in the air.

It's funny.

Yeah, let's do it.

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Final time tonight, We're gonna start off with a couple of audience questions.

If you don't mind, my brother, absolutely go for it.

All right, let's go to t Bone.

Are you going to go through the Hopskinsville Goblin case.

What's your opinion on that?

Oh gosh, that's that's some high weirdness fourteen stuff.

No, actually buy into it.

I mean, you know, it's it's actually the basis of hell you or even But no, I yeah, it's it's very interesting, especially the fact that they shot up their entire house trying to defend them from it.

Nobody's going to do that if there's not something going on.

But yeah, I totally buy it.

An opskin build thing.

But there's a lot of weird stuff that lives in caves.

That's all I got to say.

Here's my question about it.

And this is what intrigues me.

I'm not saying this to question the narrative, but it intrigues me.

Okay, And that is this a lot of these creatures that we only see once, right, you know this, these these alleged creatures really haven't come back to the same extent, right.

Well, I mean, you know, one of the one of the key arguments about creatures like that is that they're interdimensional and that's why they're fourteen.

But maybe they they still exist inside the caves.

You know a lot of these cre it's it's like the presdent nincurl or the President n Croler.

Yes, the pants, yeah, the president nine cral mc hammer pants.

Yeah.

Actually I'm not that far from president right now.

But the the you know, it gets seen occasionally, right But apparently, and I'm researching this that apparently it originated in Yosemite, and that there are stories that go back all the way to the indigenous people that lived in Usemite about it.

So I've been looking into that.

But I think they do come back.

I think that we just don't necessarily see them, or we don't know where they are, right because the goblins supposedly lived in caves, you'd have to go down into the caves to find them.

And there are there cases where goblins that looked like those at Hopkinsville, they you know, they came out and other people have seen them.

It's not a one off.

I mean, even even the Mothman.

You know, it gets seen occasionally, it's just it's not common.

I like that.

I like that.

All right, Let's go to another one here, Let's go to PARAMARV.

Is there anything to the tack marks on the black or on the back of the road sides that supposedly lead military to bases, hospitals, et cetera.

You know, I don't know.

I don't know.

I'll have to look into that one.

That's interesting.

I'm ill looking at that.

I never really thought about that, but I'll look into it.

I don't understand that question.

What are the tax tax.

Supposedly there are markings.

There are markings on the road that you don't really notice that indicate where there could be like fallout shelters.

A lot of that stuff comes back from the Cold War, right that you take the Russians for example, when the Russians laid out their their version of the interstate system, right, they actually laid out huge and we did it here too.

That there are huge stretches of wide interstate freeways where you could land bombers on them using the roads.

And so there are markings where there are caches of things or bunkers or other stuff.

There's markers in the roads that somebody who knows what to look for would look for and then they know, Okay, the bunker's over here.

There's a whole there's a whole hidden hidden language for for like hidden things.

But in the Soviet Union Russia, they're like I said, their interstates are laid out.

They actually have like parking lots that are burms that were designed to store fighters.

And we did the same thing on our Internet interstate system that there are portions of the interstate system where they could be converted into airfields if we were invaded.

They do it in Europe too.

Let's go to another question.

Let's go over to case seventeen.

Do we actually have bases on the Moon in Mars?

Well, I mean that's a loaded question, right, I don't know for sure.

All I know is what I've seen and what I've researched, and I what the research says is that the is that the two superpowers of the Soviets now Russians and the United States were very very interested in doing it and had programs that were feasible to do it.

And there is some evidence that there are activities that were unaware of on the Moon and Mars.

And let's not forget you know, Apollo twenty, whatever you think of Apollo twenty, the vehicle that they supposedly entered this massive UFO that crash landed on the Moon.

You can actually find that thing in NASA photography.

It is there.

You just have to look for it.

You have to know where it is and look for it.

And oddly, not far away from it is actually one of the lunar rovers that the Soviets one of the there, they're like eight wheeld rovers that they launched.

There's actually one sitting not far from where this thing is.

And when you see it in actual NASA photos that you can download from the NASA website, right, you know, you start to become suspicious of why is there a lunar a lunar like explorer rover, you know, sitting not far from that with a radio beacon that's still running.

Makes you wonder.

But I've seen evidence of the activities and in a couple of cases the installations, and that's why I believe that it's possible, but I don't know for sure.

Well, let's hit the brakes here for a second, because you're making me geek out here a little bit, because I really want to believe the Apollo eighteen nineteen twenty missions where allegedly this is where a humanoid alien female that has been dubbed the Mona.

Lisa was found right with the third eye, I might add, yes, who looked Mayan?

She looks Mayan?

Actually, yes, what do you want to geek out about it?

Well, for our audience who may not know about this conspiracy theory, let's talk about it.

Okay.

So according to this guy, Commander Rutledge right, who was supposedly living in Rwanda, he released a series of videos that were shot supposedly on Apollo twenty and it was a combination of Soviet and American mission and Apollo eighteen and Apollo nineteen had mechanical problems and I think nineteen like crashed.

The twenty got there in this combination crew of people Rutledge, Leonov and somebody else, I think one or two other people.

They supposedly went out to this crash massive crash UFO and recovered that they got into where the cockpit was, and they recovered this woman, and they recovered the head of the other pilot.

There were two pilots, a man and a woman, and she was wearing some kind of a suit that looks when you see it, it looks like it has like microchips on it and like circuitry, and so there are a couple of reasons why I think the footage may be real.

But it was supposedly attributed well, it was attributed to a performance artist in France who claimed that he faked it.

The problem is is that there's little things that he never would have thought of.

For example, I was talking about the Luna rover the Russians the Soviets had sent up, and at one point, when Rutledge is running the camera inside the lemb right, he takes it up to one of the triangular windows and he pushes it up against it to look out, and in the distance you see one of these Soviet rovers sitting there, the one that's near the crash Slitte.

And that makes a lot of sense because if they wanted to find it easily, they would have locked onto the radio transponder on that rover to land next to the rover, because the rover is next to the UFO, and most likely the Soviets had driven it over there to take.

A look at it.

Right.

The second thing that was interesting is that he claimed that he built a lemb in like a warehouse, but there are little details.

For example, in that triangular window there's a series of markings.

It's actually a kind of altimeter, right that you can use to kind of figure out what your altitude is as you're descending.

NASA actually etched those into the glass.

It's not like they used ink.

It's actually etched into the glass.

Well, the one that you see in the in the video is etched into the glass.

And if he was a performance artist, these are little things that they wouldn't have necessary.

He wouldn't have necessarily picked up on right.

He may have.

But the most interesting thing is is that again I was doing ground zero.

We ran that thing by a mortician, and I actually did a show with mortician on the line, and he said that when he watched the video that the body had a film on it, and he said that that film is actually very normal for a dead body.

And he said that that you know, obviously he didn't know because it was in a video, right, But he said, if I had to guess, that's an actual dead body.

And the reason being is that this coding and it's a weird kind of whitish coat.

And so what that is is that that's the waxes and films inside your body when you die, your body basically excreets them through your pores and it creates this kind of like waxy shell over the dead body.

He's like, you could see it right there.

And I ran it through an effects guy that I knew that did practical effects, even worked on like Carnosaur.

Anyway, he took a look at that video and he's like, the weightlessness that you're seeing in the video and the movements and the other stuff, He's like, I don't know how you would do that practically, you know, without wires and other stuff that this guy didn't have the capability to remove, not when he shot that video, and the effects to Actually two effects guys that I talked to said that they believed that it was actually real.

But the lunar rover, I think was what really did it for me that and I found the UFO site using the position of the lunar rover found the UFO site in actual NASA photography.

And the people who are supposedly on board it, the famous ones like Leonov, who is very famous in the Soviet Union.

He attended a quote unquote conference during the time when he should have been on that mission, and nobody actually knew where he was when that mission occurred.

He had disappeared off the face of the earth quite literally, no kidding.

Yeah.

So so it's one of those things where it's like if you take the sum of the parts, that it equals a very interesting thing.

But if you look at individual.

Pieces and there are there is footage that that Rutledge released that is total horse or shit, you know that it's it's not real, it's so blatantly not real.

But there's a bunch of it that actually is real looking.

And and from the experts that I talked to, you know, and in the research that I did, it appears to have been possible and probable that a Paula twenty didn't did occur.

And there was an unscheduled lunch.

There were two unscheduled lunches at that time.

One was from Vandenburg and one was from Plazetski, the top secret cosmodrome in or No, yeah, it was pljet Ski, which was emptied out by the way they sent all the they sent all the technicians from this this cosmo drome.

They actually sent them to fight in the Ukraine, which I don't know if that was a good idea to send a bunch of engineers to be frontline soldiers.

But convers Yeah, they cleaned out the whole.

It's like taking all the scientists and technicians out of capean Averril and sending them as frontline shock troops to the Ukraine.

It doesn't make any sense.

Does anything make sense?

Just to have to Let's go to another audience question here, sure, let's go to toe tag.

Is today's THAD missile system a part of a Star Wars technology?

Well, I guess, I guess you could argue that it is at some level.

I mean, the original design of Star Wars did have ground based interception missiles, right, that were controlled by using satellites that were in orbit.

I mean Star Wars wasn't strictly you know, brilliant pebbles and lasers and and the rods from God, you know, there were there were ground based elements too that were controlled.

If you watch your original animations that Lockie put out at the time, in general dynamics.

All right, Moving on, Tim Mothman and his goatee would like to know are goblins and gnomes related, in your opinion?

A little bit off.

Topic here, No, that's fine.

I think it's hard to say, right because the concept of a gnome versus goblin.

You know, in Norse countries, goblins and gnomes are different, right, But in some other Germanic countries goblins and gnomes are kind of seen in the same way culturally.

I guess the answer to that really depends on the cultural context that you're looking at it from, right.

I happen to believe they're separate.

Gnomes occupy a separate space, that they're a kind of a spirit creature that kind of hangs around.

And every every Scandinavian household has a gnome, and you always know the gnome the gnome is messing with you because they'll hide your keys and stuff.

So and that has happened to me.

I don't want to get into it on the air, but I had a very specific thing happened to me that I do believe was a gnome and doing it for my own good.

Well, always keep a gnome in ferry garden around your property.

It just makes things safer just in case.

Yeah, they're protective, you know.

I definitely I'm very happy to have one, and I'm very grateful for mynme.

Never seen him though.

No, I don't know if I want to see it either.

I don't know.

That would just be tripy, That would just be a little bit trippy.

I think I saw a troll once, but it's a whole other show.

Yeah, question from the unknown here.

Some researchers and commentators have suggested that certain isotopic ratios, surface features, or radiation readings on Mars could be interpreted as nuclear related.

Any opinion.

Yeah, I forget that guy's name, but he claims that there was a nuclear war on Mars.

He had some pretty compelling evidence, if I recall in his book, he wrote a book about it.

I think there's some pretty compelling evidence that the radiation, the radiation, nicotopic levels and various places on Mars indicated that there was some kind of a nuclear exchange.

But you know, it would have had to have happened ten thousand, a million years ago, So I don't know that you can concretely prove it.

But he makes a very good argument.

For doctor John Brandenberg believes that there's more than enough evidence to.

Yeah, that's it.

His book is very compelling.

But you know, I try to approach things from the point of view that you know, if I can't prove it to you concretely, I'm going to tell you, and I can't prove it to you concretely.

I mean, it looks good on paper, it makes sense, but it would rip away the atmosphere and cause nuclear winter and all kinds of nastiness, destroy the ozone layer.

You know, it should given its position.

It's inside the Goldilocks zone, so it should.

It should have liquid water, it should have a thicker atmosphere, but it doesn't, so something obviously happened.

Yeah, I would agree with that.

I would totally agree with that.

We got five minutes to go with you.

As this show has flown on by, it really has a lot of people are thinking about UFOs right now, because at the beginning of the year we usually are in some sort of lull around this topic.

But James Fox, movie director is holding a press conference at the National Prince Press Building in Washington, d C.

On January twentieth.

I'm just curious what your thoughts is of this where he's going to bring in some people in scientists and doctors from Virginia in Brazil from that famous case, going to be bringing people to others.

He's apparently talked to Congress people about this topic.

What do you think about this?

Well, I think it's interesting.

If I recall, he's the one that did the program which talks about the special access programs, so it'll be interesting to see what he does.

You know, I'm always there are certain people that tend to do better presentations and have better witnesses, you know, like Leslie Keene when she brings out you know, the military pilots, you know, and it's much more compelling and interesting.

So I'm definitely looking forward to it.

Do you think it's necessary.

I don't think it's going to go anywhere, but it's it's definitely interesting to watch.

I don't think it's gonna I think disclosure is a fallacy.

I mean, remember what I said.

I think that I think the real secret is that there's not as much of this stuff as you think.

I don't think that there are these massive programs.

I don't.

I don't think that disclosure will ever happen.

In fact, I think it's it's engineered against disclosure.

So you know, we've done shows.

I just don't buy discloses, sure, And I think that I think that some of these guys that you know, when you read when you read these emails, that the various UFO personalities.

It's like, well, I email Leon Panetta.

Okay, did you ever actually read the email?

It's this UFO all start saying, you know, Leon, we need to get together to talk about UFOs.

And then you see the notes that Panetta said to his executive assistance that just.

Ignore this guy.

You know, it's it's it's a fallacy.

I think most disclosure, I think a lot of people want it, but I think most of this disclosure hubbub is to sell books.

I don't think it'll ever happen.

And so basically what you what you're saying is you think the topic has gone to mainstream.

Yeah, I think it's become a cash cow.

And I just the question you have to ask yourself is what actually are you disclosing?

Now there's an easy answer, but is that the real answer?

Right?

Well, I'm just.

Closing the existence of UFOs?

What is that exactly?

I'm here to tell you that the UAPs that you guys see in these videos that were declassified by the Pentagon, and you listened to Louise Alisondo, whose book was edited by the Pentagon, you know, why do you think they don't have a vested Introy?

Well, I'm here to tell you all that stuff is is terrestrial.

There's nothing alien about any of that stuff, the tic tack or any of it.

But what are you disclosing?

Right?

How do we know?

I mean what you just closed?

Okay, I recovered bodies from Roswell?

Did we.

Really been fighting about this since nineteen forty seven?

Nobody's ever been able to prove anything about it?

What was it?

Really?

We don't know so any it's all hyperbole?

What is what is disclosure?

I know what Greer says disclosure is, But how do we know he's right?

Because he talked to a few people.

Leon Panetta blew him off multiple times.

You know these other people, Gerston and these other people, they got zero traction no matter what they say.

If you go look at the actual emails, all these guys got zero traction.

None.

They're talking about it in Congress because you have a generation of congressmen that believe in it, believe that UFOs might be real, and they want to get to the bottom of it.

But have they been able to do it?

Was Clinton able to do it?

Clinton very famously said I want to know everything about Roswell.

Obama said, I want to know everything about Roswell.

Donald Trump was going to release everything.

Where is it?

I mean it's nowhere.

I mean Clinton.

Clinton was rejected access to area fifty one.

He wanted to go to fifty one.

They actually rejected his giving him the clearance to go to area fifty one.

Sounds so strike now.

I do believe that UFOs are real, and I do believe they are covering.

Up some stuff.

But the volume ness of it, I think is actually very small.

But I do believe the ones are.

All of great.

Having you back on spaced Out Radio, my friend, it is always a fun time.

And yeah, we'll have you on soon again.

Absolutely anytime, Dave, I'll want you again.

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Great job tonight, buddy.

Thanks, it was okay.

You were fantastic as per usual.

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Okay, well I love them too.

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Be right back, Terry.

I got you, by the way, Uta.

M h.

All right, I am.

There and let's see spring Terry in.

How's the mustache?

Good evening, sir, how's the beard?

And not too bad?

Not too bad at all.

Excited to have you here.

Good show Oka, by the way, O, it is just.

A power show every time he's on.

And he he just kind of lets it fly, don't he?

Word and Dragon?

How you doing metal gaming?

No?

I haven't seen any UFOs lately.

I have been looking, but I haven't spent a lot of time outside.

It gets kind of cold here outside in wintertime, right.

I love how understated you are.

Day've kind of cold in the Great White North.

Ok.

Absolutely, Joe?

How you doing in Brazil?

How you doing?

Brother?

I hope you're well.

You know, dude, your chat always asks the best questions.

I think one of the best ones I saw this evening was did kid John Un really do a dance on the moon?

I mean did he dance gun gum style up there?

Or not?

Right?

All right?

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Right here on spaced Out Radio, let's head to the swamp.

Hello and welcome to spaced Out Radio Swamp.

I'm swamp dweller, and tonight I'm going to take you on a mystic journey of the unknown, sharing tales of monsters, legends, and nightmares.

Welcome to the spaced out Radio Swamp.

This story occurred when I was fifteen and I was a member of the Boy Scouts, so this would be around two twenty twelve.

My troop got.

Together and decided to go camping for the weekend, something we did fairly often.

The camp we chose didn't have many people work cars around and was rather secluded, having no worry of other campers in the area.

We made a giant campfire and had a late night.

When our campfire finally died out, we went to our tents to get some much needed rest.

Strangely, this night, I was unable to sleep because I was just laying there for some reason.

I was listening to the sound of nature around my tent, hoping to fall asleep.

It was right when I was dozing off that it heart something near our campsite.

There was a very loud rustling in the forest that was quickly making its way towards our campsite.

After a minute of movement, I heard something stop about seven or so feet away from my tent before suddenly darting off into the forest.

My mind racing and paralyzed by fear, I was scrambling to think of what could have been at the camp site.

In time, my brain rationalized I was probably one of the adults checking on us, and as such I relaxed for a little bit, listening to the sound slowly move off into the distance.

It wasn't long after this that I crashed.

It was some time late in the middle of the night when I noticed once again that I awoke to something wandering around our camp.

It was close, but eventually it went off towards the same direction as the noise did the previous time.

Too curious for my own good, I looked out the mesh window of my tent.

It was then that I frozen terror.

That was a huge black figure standing near the tent that was way too large to be any of the other scouts, had no flashlight and just stood there menacingly looking around the camp.

I tried to calm myself as I watched the figure unzip another tent, seemingly peering in before a high pitched scream was heard.

This immediately woke everyone else up, who started coming out of their tents and freaking out.

The figure itself darted into the forest, never to be seen again.

The adult soon checked on us, and one question, many of the other boys mentioned a figure that looked like it could have been a man wearing dark clothing.

Unfortunately, though none of us could get a good enough view to be sure, the other scouts also mentioned hearing their rustling in the grass.

Disturbed at this news, we were all moved to the adult camp site, where they all slept in shifts, watching in case this creeper returned.

The following morning, we left after our chaperone alerted the park rangers and sheriff.

We never returned to that site, and from what I understand, they never found the guy that was looking on our camp, if it was a guy at all.

Thank you swamp Dweller for another spooky story.

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So we're we're starting a new little fad here on spaced Out Radio.

Why because I want to add some fun to the show and there's nobody better that I have fun with on the air than this guy, Terry Hall.

And we're going to get into the weird stories of the week.

Here we go, must stand upon them.

Bull on the Week, rocking his way in Terry Hall.

It's good to have you here on spaced out radio, my friend, how are you?

I'm doing wonderful, deceiving old beard of knowledge.

How about yourself?

Oh, I'm not too bad.

The mustache of knowledge?

You don't say even throw you mustache in the song?

Right?

Yes, I do.

I dig that song man, Like I said I told you earlier.

Instead reminds you of Queen and they're one of my favorites.

So you top the not I mean that mom was.

That's awesome, Dave.

Yes, hell of an individual.

So in this new segment that we're going to do here is I figured, you know what, let's have some fun.

We don't do a lot of fun on this show because we try and take these subjects pretty seriously that we go with.

But we do do the weird news of the week, and I actually enjoy doing that.

So in the third hour, to change things up a little bit, Yes, we are going to get in some UFO stories.

Yes, we're going to get into some cryptid stories.

Who We're also going to bring in stories that are just strange around the world, Terry.

There's enough strangers out there, Dave.

I think that we could do this once a day, every day for the next ten years.

And I don't think you get caught up yet.

I would agree.

I would totally agree with that.

Where do you want to start tonight?

Actually I ran across one.

I mentioned it to you.

You know the.

Stories of Florida man, right, Yes, I heard the stories of Florida man.

Well, I was.

I was perusing the headlines the other day and it just so happens.

Now this is a story about gun control.

We're going to get political this evening, Dave.

Okay, because they've had three separate road ratings.

It's road rage incidents in Florida where one of the two people involved in the road raised incident actually fired a missile what an RPG at another driver.

So are you for gun control or against gun controlled?

Dave?

Road rage incidents where people are actually firing RPGs at one another, and of course it happened in Florida.

Goodness, I mean, how does that even work?

Like you know what?

Like?

Look you know, I am.

I am somebody who's very pro firearms.

I used to be on the opposite side of that ledger.

But at no point would I think I need to buy myself an RPG and then have a little bit of road raid you should fire it at someone.

Well, not only buy an RPG, but actually hauling around with you driving around.

Where do you even get an RVG from?

I don't know.

Back in to day, one of the.

One of the things that used to be able to get were star shells for you know, an under barrel grenade launcher, right, and they were starbars shells kind of like big flares, and I mean those things.

But even back twenty years ago, those things were one hundred and fifty bucks around.

I can't imagine what around RPG costs.

My goodness, that just I don't even know how that works.

Would you be on the goodness, the good list or the bad list if you ask Santa Claus for some rounds for your RPG?

I don't know.

Can you imagine having one of those neighbors that just bugs you and then all of a sudden, you know, you just decide one day that you're going to bring out the old RPG and and launch it and you know, you know, put a nice little hole inside the front door.

Of your neighbor's house.

I mean needing to say hello to my little friend.

Huh right, Oh, my goodness.

That is just absolutely ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous, my friend.

And another story on the other end, the end of the country though, and it just I just saw it come out today.

There was apparently new evidence that appeared that is pointing to a new location for Atlantis.

Have you heard about that yet?

No?

Read us the story.

Well, it's our two of our favorite people.

It's Randall, Carl and Graham Hancock.

Randall and doing some more research, is now pointing at the Azores.

That's the location for Atlantis.

It's on the mid Atlantic Ridge and according to the records and what people have been looking at, they've always said that it's west of the Pillars of Hercules.

Well that's pointing towards the Azores, which brings in another question as far as civilization on planet Earth and cyclic what they're calling now basically cyclic resets where we're having these cataclysms here kind of on not so much like a schedule where it's predictable, but it is to a certain point because from what they're showing now with the evidence that they currently have.

It's a very good chance that Atlantis was real.

What's what's been your thoughts about Atlantis and this whole cyclic resets that we that happens too.

Oh goodness.

I kind of bite my tongue a little bit with Atlantis, because I do believe it was a place.

I do believe that at one point it was here.

But there is zero proof outside of some hieroglyphics that it was more technologically advanced or as technologically advanced of what we have.

Where is it?

Where did it go?

Why can't we pinpoint it?

There's about seventy two locations on Earth that people say Atlantis is there.

You know, Yes, I'm I'm over exaggerating there a little bit, But I mean, I mean, we've heard that it's been off the coast of Bimini.

We've heard it's been in the Mediterranean, near the Persian Gulf, wherever it may be.

Okay, where is it?

Why don't we have it?

We have more proof of biblical happenings than we do of Atlantis, And I just find that a little weird.

Look, I like, I love the story.

I do.

I think there's more of a story in thinking that maybe some sort of ancient aliens helped build the planet than Atlantis being this, you know, this mecca of technological advancement, you know, one hundred thousand years ago or a million years ago, wherever it was.

Your thoughts, I do believe that prior to.

That before well let's just say, let's just say that they're pointing at the younger, dryest period as the last reset for it kind of sort of makes sense.

Timeline fits Go Beckley Tepe kind of rewrote the book as far as how they're saying quote unquote civilization started, because with Go Becley Tepi, it's showing that the hunter gatherers were still the thing, but what really caused them to come together was some sort of belief or faith and something bigger.

And so they didn't start planning crops and so forth and then build the temple.

They started building the temple and out of necessity started planning crops and settling down.

And if.

The way that I think about this whole cyclic reset thing, Dave, is they know that the oceans, you know, four hundred feet deeper now than they were back about that period of time, and if there was something that made the ocean jump up for hundred feet.

Anything that would have been prior technology is probably under about a miles worth of silt at the bottom of the ocean.

I agree.

And really the only thing that would have been left standing were the great monuments and machines that they built prior, like the great Pyramids and things like that.

So I think that if you believe in the Bible and a record, the written record in the Bible, well, Plutarch and Plato and all those guys wrote about Atlantis.

It's in black and white, just like the Bible is.

So I mean, I guess it just falls on what you choose to believe.

Very true, very true.

I have a story here for you that we're going to get into this a little bit of a fun one, a scary one, okay, but I would really, really, you know, encourage people to stay out of this one particular jungle in India right now, a rampaging elephant terry has killed at least seventeen people amid an intensifying man animal conflict in eastern India.

Authorities state an adult male elephant is carried out at least one dozen attacks in seven days across the Surranda forest belt.

It's killed thirteen people in the last two days, including four members of a family in separate attacks.

The divisional forest officer Aditya Narayan says that the tusker has been moving violently across the region for several days and changing its location rapidly, which makes it difficult to track.

The elephant appears to be turning rogue and our focus now is to tranquilize it at its earliest.

We are certain it it is in must, which explains its heightened aggression.

We're trying our best to control the situation.

Must spelled must is a periodic condition in bull elephants, marked by heightened aggression and a surge in reproductive hormones.

So basically what they're saying is this elephant is horny, but it's taking it out on people because it can't find a mate.

Ugh, death by elephant just can't be a fun thought.

That's not the first kind of story about an elephant I've.

Heard about like that.

There's a reason that they say memory like an elephant.

There was this story not too long ago about a woman who had apparently slighted an elephant, and the elephant didn't just take her out and check out her and her entire family.

So not only do they have exceedingly long memories, but they have a pretty there's a little bit.

Of vengeance built in there.

But I don't think that I would want to get in between a horny bull, elephant and anything that they wanted.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

I mean.

No, I mean, how do you even how do you even get in that situation?

Live in India?

Yeah, I understand that.

But you know what's really cool about it.

I will say this, what's really cool about this story, okay, is if as I was reading it, they are not looking at terminating it.

They are looking at fixing it.

I caught that myself.

Okay.

A lot of times when we have animals that go rogue.

I mean, even here in North America, if you have a grizzly bear who goes rogue, or a black bear, or even a dog for that matter, it usually gets put down.

Not in this case.

And and good on the government of India because elephants are protected there.

You know, it would be very easy for them to hunt it down and just eradicate this one particular elephant.

But they're not going to do that.

So kudos to them for that.

I think the one case where the elephant chased the lady down in their entire family was the woman somehow or another either interfered with the mother and it's and it's hold and it's baby, or injured its baby in some shape or form.

But it took the elephant over a week to track everybody down, but it literally tracked her family down.

Mother nature is a lot more amazing than we give her credit for it.

And these animals are a lot smarter than we give them credit for.

When you can, when an elephant can hunt not only you, but your entire family down, that's saying something.

I agree, but I think it is pretty outstanding that rather than putting this big bull elefit down, which you know they're getting fewer and farther between anymore, that you said tranquilizing it.

This is what brings to mind.

How do you move a tranquilized bowl.

Dave, Oh, you definitely need a helicopter.

You definitely need a helicopter.

They think you need more than one, at least I would hope you would.

Tranquilizing a big bull that, how do you get it on a trailer to move it around?

I just don't get it.

I just don't get it.

We got two minutes to go.

I want to get to this story because I don't know if I want to do this.

You know those Wai moo taxis that are out there, ye there, driver, if you don't know what they are, they're driverless taxis.

They're all robots, computerized.

Well apparently.

A Waymo self driving car was seen driving down town Phoenix on light rail tracks, forcing the passenger to literally jump out of the vehicle before it continued along the tracks near an oncoming train.

Video taken by a bystander shows the moment the self driving car stops on the tracks just before an oncoming light rail approaches.

The passenger runs out of the vehicle before the car continues to drive down the tracks near another train.

I felt, I actually felt a little sorry for the car.

It's obviously making a bad decision and got itself in a difficult place.

As Andrew Maynard, and Emerging and Transformative Technology professor at Arizona State University, Maynard said, while these situations are rare, they do occur, you know pretty much, acting like it's you know, hey, it's growing up.

We got to let this child grow up a little bit.

Sometimes you can't smack the hand.

You just got to let it learn on its own.

Tough love, as they say.

Terry, Okay, this one, this is exactly one of those edge cases what we call them, some unexpected where the machine drove like a machine rather than a person.

Maynard said, Waymo vehicles are equipped with twenty nine cameras and have their roots and systems updated weekly.

However, in the area where the incident happened, there was construction.

The light rail was added to this spot within the last year, which Maynard said could have contributed to a track detour.

I think wame O he has a challenge because no matter what they do with their system, there's always going to be unexpected circumstances where they have to learn from them.

In other words, I'm not taking that car.

No way am I taking that car.

I have a feeling Terry won't either.

We're going to continue with the weird News of the week full news segment here in hour three of tonight's show, spaced Out Radio continues with Terry Hall and the weird news right after this.

This is spaced Out.

Radio and your hosts stuff.

All right, Terry, we're clear.

Kind of brings to mind.

You know, on a road, are they ever going to charge Weima with its vehicule ar homicide?

If something like that ever happens again and somebody gets smashed by a train.

What happens if all of a sudden the vehicle will not allow the person to get out?

That's what I was wondering it, because that what I understand.

When you get those things that locks the doors.

H makes you wonder is if you can't pay your fare, if it's just gonna leave you trapped in there and drive you straight to jail.

I don't know.

I really don't know, brother, that is a scary situation.

Scary situation.

I don't know how I would feel about that.

I'm not ready for it.

I'll be honest with you.

I am not ready for that.

I just don't have that trust level me either.

Man.

I'm I'm a like a driver's driver.

I like I don't like new I mean new cars.

I like on a long trip when you when you want to be really comfortable and feel like you got a lazy boy in your car with you.

But as a gender rule, I'm a driver.

I like something that has a little horse power where I can feel the road and the steering wheel that doesn't have a screen in the middle of everything.

It's just plain and simple gas spark, you know, and you're going down the road.

I'm that kind of driver.

I still like the older cars where you can actually feel the car and feel the road.

Right.

It feels good that way feels good.

Some of the money that our government puts money into, dude, some of the stuff.

It's the future, robot.

Gee, how you doing?

Welcome?

Just so anybody knows if you're new here.

If you come in with the word guy in your name in the in the YouTube chat, I am going to pronounce it the French way.

Gee.

Is that such a badass name?

Man?

Gee?

I had a buddy from Canada name Gee, and asked you one time what he did in Canada when he was growing up, and he said he wished he was an American every day.

That's what he did when he was in Canada.

We're having some tough times right now.

He may not be the time right now, all right.

He was a very interesting, very interesting guy.

We've got about two minutes, Terry, So that's.

Good, Dave.

You can sit here.

Literally.

I just typed in weird news for the week, and there are so many oh yeah stories.

That pop up.

You just got to check the dates because a lot of the a lot of the sites, they don't update it very well.

M yeah, oh no, this is just like international news like this one.

For instance, truck crashed in Victoria, England and dumped fifteen thousand live crabs in the road.

I saw that one.

I almost put that one out.

I almost I almost read that one.

See here in Oregon, when you go down on the beach, they have a lot of beaches have great big they look like a cauldron, like a witch's cauldron.

And I always wondered what those were for, and I asked the local one time.

He's like, oh, dude, those are for when you catch crabs.

You can just boil your crabs right there on the beach and so community pot we can make stone soup.

Mm hmm.

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So go check it out out Terry.

We got another weird story here for you.

So a man who has spent more than five decades.

His name is Adrian Shine.

He's seventy six years old.

He's been trying for the last fifty years track down the Lockdesk monster, and he's now after all this time, believing he's actually been on a wild goose chase.

Adrian believes the so called sightings of the famous body of water in the Scottish Highlands actually have a rather mundane explanation which do not involve the mythical creature.

No.

He says he's been looking for the long neck monster known as NeSSI since nineteen seventy three.

Great my birth year.

Yeah, that's this guy, and even led to a major Sonarok's exploration back in nineteen eighty seven.

But even though his team was armed with a million pounds worth of equipment, little did they know that they would find nothing, really nothing concrete, leading to the fact that Lockness exists.

However, he is now revealed that he has become very skeptical about the existence of the mythical creature that he has dedicated his life to finding after believing he had spotted one of its humps, which turned out actually to be a rock.

Seine explained that he believes that the countless sightings and see people have reported or actually results of ship wakes.

He suspects that movements of the water caused by passing boats and the fact that the Caledonian Canal runs through Lockness have been fooling people into thinking they've spotted the monster.

He goes on to say the sightings are caused by ship wakes.

He here they develop the multi hump form and that's what people see often a long time NeSSI.

Hunter said there are alternate explanations from other phenomena witnessed on the water, too, including why people often believe they've spotted the elusive monsters long neck.

He says that it's actually something of an optical illusion, which is actually the result of birds gathering on a calm surface.

Your thoughts, Terry.

Fifty years is a long time to look for something, and you figure in fifty I mean persistence that that guy give a dog a bone, I mean for goodness sake, theyve you figure in fifty years, and I there's been several different programs as far as them using sonar and other ways and means to try to detect Messie.

I've never been much of a messy thumbs up kind of guy.

There's too many people, there too few sightings, and.

There's there's no way.

Say.

In other fields, there's there's ways and means to check things, like repeatable experiments that have proven results.

There's never been anything like that.

For Nassi.

They have scanned that place from port to starboards didn't disturbed several different times.

I just it's it's landlocked and unless there's some sort of underground waterway where that thing would be able to to my great and leave and come back, or I just can't see it ever have been true.

Back to the original Messi photographs that were so famous, even the guy who made those said it was a little ship that he strapped something onto.

So I never have been much of a Messy believer, Dave, not even from day one, even when Lennon Nieboy was reporting about it way.

Way a long time ago.

You figure in fifty years looking into something if you've only seen it once and then you've proved to yourself that it was a rock.

Seems to me like that guy's been barking up the wrong tree for fifty years.

What do you.

Think, Well, you know what, I will put it this way, Okay.

I know hunters in my area who not just hunters, loggers as well, who've been in the forest for thirty forty to fifty years around here hunting, logging and have never seen anything strange.

They don't buy into the story of sasquatch.

They don't buy into the story that there is a monster out there with the amount of time that they have spent in the forests.

So really, I can understand the skepticism this guy has put in the effort of fifty years, but that doesn't mean just because he hasn't seen something that it automatically means that the creature doesn't exist.

If you go with the late doctor John Bindernagel, who lived on Vancouver Island, literally research sasquatch since he was a kid.

He started thinking around fourteen years old, and he investigated sasquatch for seventy years.

In fact, he became an anthropologist because of his love of wanting to solve the sasquatch mystery, and he literally never saw sasquatch.

He saw footprints, he saw evidence, but he never saw the creature himself.

And so even though he could have written it off that going to these hots so called hotspots, that maybe, just maybe there was somebody in there making these false footprints or leaving false hair samples or whatever it may be, Okay, he never bought into that theory.

He believed there were too many stories, too many eyewitnesses, had too much evidence like the footprints and so on so forth, that meant that there was something out there that needed scientific explanation.

Now, this guy, he doesn't seem to be a scientist, but an avid researcher.

I'm not saying his personal information is wrong for him, but it might be wrong for someone else.

Terry true when it comes to making a comparison apples to apples like that, Dave, that's not very fair.

Bigfoot is not in a landlocked body of water.

Bigfoot has a lot of other stories that well, like the one that we were talking about today where the gentleman had a Bigfoot sighting and when he got on the trail and got basically eye to eye with it, he said it was a shape shifter and shaped into a mood and shifted into a moose.

Uh.

So we've got all kinds of stories like that.

But what draws the line from me with with the lock Ness monsters.

It's a landlocked body of water, no egress, no exit.

Uh.

With Bigfoot?

I mean, the world's a great, big, wide place, and you've got from the Pacific Northwest up to where you're at, sighting after sighting after sighting by lots of different people.

If they, let's say that that bigfoot was stuck in an area that he just couldn't get out of, and they've set tons of researchers in there with side scanning and this that and light ar and everything else, I think the chances of them finding a bigfoot are a lot higher than them finding something that they've searched for.

Not just the one gentleman, but researcher after researcher after researcher has looked for the Lockness Monster.

Lockness Monster has never left the footprint anywhere that I know of.

I agree, totally agree, Terry.

Let's move on to another story here.

Do you have one or do you want me to throw one at you?

Here?

No, you go right ahead, right, I'm out.

Here's a weird one, Terry.

Now.

I know they say love has no bounds, even in death.

You've heard that set statement before.

Well, this takes it to a whole new level.

An elderly man allegedly attempted to board flight with his deceased wife at an airport in Spain.

The elderly woman, was seated in a wheelchair, raised suspicions among staff due to her lack of responsiveness.

The peculiar incident reportedly unfolded during a routine security check when the man, who's eighty years old, tried to pass through a metal detector, treating his unresponsive wife as just another passenger.

Security personnel noticed the woman's condition, discovering she was not breathing and her body temperature was alarmingly low.

The news outlets reported that the husband initially stated his wife had passed away several hours earlier within the airport.

Actually, the man was subsequently arrested on site, and an investigation into the circumstances of the woman's death is underway by local authorities.

I mean, that is just absolutely freaky.

It is.

It's sad.

It's a very sad story.

Terry, but just creepy.

Nonetheless, that's bizarro world.

Man.

Wow, Yeah, that I can't even hardly fathom that, Dave.

I mean, talk about being determined to take a trip.

Holy smoke.

If with the kind of determination that fella had, I bet you there was never a job that he had that was undone or that was unfinished.

Right, Holy cow?

Oh that Wow.

Every time you talk about something like this, David, it just keeps bringing me back to the one story that we were talking about a long time ago about reincarnation and what happens to you when you die.

Right.

But wow, Wow, talk about determined to take a trip, It's about as determined as that bear that they had in California.

They fella had a bear under his house in California.

This is a funny.

One had a bear under his house in California.

So they bring the trap out to catch the bear, and they put chocolates and cherries and all kinds of stuff in there, and bear goes in and they slammed the door.

And as they're driving off, they found out.

It was a different bear.

The same bear was still under the fella's house.

It is still under the gentleman's house.

Oh my, I know people around here who have had that happen.

Oh really, oh yeah, that they've had bears crawl in under their houses, you know, and it's a real thing, Like this isn't just something that happened every now and again.

This is a real thing where.

Bear and his buddy under the house and he's like, man, those cherries really sell once you go get this couple clang, right, bears are getting smarter every day, I guess, No, for.

Sure, absolutely absolutely, But you know what, it's warm, you know.

I mean, you only have to worry if they wake up because they'll be hungry.

So yeah, it is what it is, speaking of bears, by the way, Wildlife officials in Tennessee Terry are investigating a serial burglary after a candy store was broken into and ransacked by a bear, not for the first or second time, but the fourth time.

Yeah.

Gladys or Glades Homemade Candles in Gatlinburg set on their social media pages that the store was broken into by a bear last Thursday and the bear caused significant damage to the store and its wares.

Yep, it's apparently the fourth time this, you know, this bustling bear has broken into the store.

We have nurtured our arts and crafts business in this community for thirty five years, spreading the joy and love to our customers, blessed by divine providence, but this persisted bear is a challenge we urgently need to overcome, the owner's wrote.

Store owners contact a Tennessee Wildlife Resources agency, which confirmed and investigation has been opened.

The owners said they are hoping the bear will be relocated without any harm to the animal.

Though let's see if that happens.

Well, they got to make sure he gets its face scinded candles so he doesn't.

Come back right, right, My goodness.

There are a lot of stories like in Whistler.

If you've ever been to Whistler, BC, or you could YouTube this.

Whistler is one of the most popular skiing resorts in the world, and there is some crazy videos there of a black bear breaking into a pizza shop.

Well it's not really breaking into it.

The door is open and the bear just walks in, helps himself to a pizza and then takes off.

It's happened a couple of times.

My wife likes to talk about this, and she's right, and I know she's right.

It's hard to argue that the more and more and more we encroach on Mother Nature and claim it as our own, we're taking away I mean, we're making these animals homeless.

They have nowhere else to go.

So the more we take from them, the more often they're going to come and visit us in ways it that might make us laugh, but in the end, it's kind of unfortunate.

It is.

Now you have one of the most beautiful things that God's ever created, or that Nature's ever created, let's say, and it's it's gotten to the point now to where it's putting itself in harm's.

Way for calories.

Bears don't break into a place because they're vindictive about something.

It's a calorie driven deficit diet.

And the more we encroach on Mother Nature, the more often that this is going to happen.

And the Indians have they're thinking it the right way.

Instead of taking out a bull moose are taken out belolepitt.

They're going to tranquilize it and move it.

I think that we ought to do that a lot more often than we do down here.

I think we got time for one more story here, all right, This one's a little grotesque, but you know that's people for you.

Bones and skulls visible in the backseat of a car near an abandoned cemetery on Philadelphia's Outskirts led police to a basement filled with body parts.

Which is about this one which authorities say, we're hoarded by a man now accused of stealing one hundred sets of human remains.

He had bodies hanging, hanging in his basement.

I hear this.

Investigators search the Efrada Home and Storage UNITATE unit of a guy named Jonathan Chris Gerlak, thirty four years old, for literally breaking into the Mount Moriah Cemetery and digging up and breaking into twenty six mausoleums and vaults that had been forced open to steal the bodies.

They were in various states.

Reporters say some of them were hanging as it were, some of them were pieced together, some were just skulls on a shelf, said Delaware County District Attorney Tanner Rous.

Most were in the basement, authorities said, and they also recovered jewelry believed to be linked to the graves.

In one case, a pacemaker was still attached to the body.

Police say girlac targeted mausoleums and underground vaults at the eighteen fifty five cemetery.

It's considered the country's largest abandoned burial ground, according to friends of Mount Mariah's Cemetery, which helps maintain the one hundred and sixty acre landmark in Yeden that's home to an estimated one hundred and fifty thousand grave sites.

Yeah, so police have been looking into this string of burglaries when an investigator checked Girlak's vehicle plates and found that it had been near yeared in repeatedly during the period when the burglaries occurred.

Please say.

The break in centered on the sealed vaults and mausoleums containing older burials, which had been smashed open or had stonework damage to reach the remains inside.

He was arrested as he walked back towards his car with a crowbar, police said, and a burlap bag which officers found the mummified remains of two small children, three skulls, and other bones.

Girlac told investigators he took about thirty cents of human remains and showed them the graves he stole them from.

Given the enormity of what we are looking at at the sheer utter lack of reasonable explanation.

It's difficult to say right now this juncture exactly why it took place.

GIRLC has been charged with one hundred counts of a abuse to a corpse and receiving stolen property, along with multiple counts of desecrating a public monument, desecraating a venerated object, desecrating a historic burial place, burglary, trespassing, and theft.

He is being jailed on one million dollar bonds and no lawyer was listed in his courtroom.

Probably doesn't want to touch this one.

Your thoughts, Terry, I mean, I've heard of use of body parts and certain rituals and magics and things like that, but that just leaves me stunned.

And he wasn't very picky.

He took little ones, big ones, in between ones, bits and pieces parts, and the whole thing a pacemaker, I mean really a pacemaker.

Can you imagine what the dude's house smelled like?

Oh, oh my goodness, I don't even think of dirt and garbage.

Oh that would be bad.

That would be bad.

And what was he doing with all this stuff?

That's what's tripping me out about the whole thing.

I mean, very.

Weirder all the time that bigo it was I'm thinking, okay, Dahmer, Now, the body parts would have been rotten.

It's not like he's eating them.

That he just was he lonely and needed company and was building his own friend list or what.

No idea.

All I'm saying is that it's a very a very glad, very glad that he was caught.

Boy, that's going to be a case study for the ages.

Huh right, I mean they figured out that, you know, like serial killers, they are like, you know, they started off killing dogs and little animals and stuff.

Well, this guy just started at the whole opposite end.

He just figured well, I'll start with him dead.

Mull work by around Oh right.

Can you imagine if he was waiting to make like, Okay, I can't find the perfect ones, so I'm gonna have to make one myself.

Terry Hall, it's been fun on the Weird News of the Week.

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